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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    edited July 2014

    Mr. Eagles, that's an interesting suggestion.

    He's been tremendously successful and has an unblemished record as a gentleman as well as a sportsman.

    With Mercedes reliability somewhat suspect (2 DNFs for Hamilton, 1 and a limp across the line in Canada for Rosberg) the season could end up being surprisingly easy for one of the, but my suspicion is it will go down to Abu Dhabi. Another race or two like Bahrain would really fire the public's imagination (hard to believe that dog of a circuit produced such a fantastic race).

    Incidentally, I watched the Senna documentary for the first time last night. Very well put together, but had a touch of the panegyric about it. Not being into the sport at the time, it's hard to say if Prost deserved his casting as villain.

    Who can forget Jonny Wilkinson and that drop goal that made 50 odd million English people simultaneously climax.

    Prost is a Frog, that's all you need to know, is understandable why he was cast as the villain.

    The Mandarin to Senna's Tony Stark.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited July 2014
    Highest tenth wicket partnership in test cricket history.

    A truly Tory achievement.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    Pulpstar said:

    Someone tipped Jimmy to get his maiden test and first class fifty yesterday.
    *beams*

    We just need DavidL to say Jimmy won't get his century and today will be bloody brilliant.
    Should I cash out for a loss on the test or just let it ride ?

    I KNOW as soon as I cash out the wicket will go.
    If I had your book, let it ride, and take it as one of those things.

    I'm backing an England victory at the moment.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Mr. Eagles, you got Prost and Senna mixed up.

    Also, I haven't seen Iron Man 2. Or 3.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,875
    HurstLlama Indeed, as I said his policy was to 'waffle and show concern if necessary but ultimately prevaricate and do nothing'

    On your broader point, not sure if that is entirely true, eg Gulf War 1 was a success which achieved its objective of ousting Saddam from Iraq, the Korean War kept the South free from Communism. What is true, as Hillary said, is the US will go in as 'liberators' if necessary, but the US has no appetite to be occupiers as the British Empire was.

    Of course, we did have our own little 'triumph' when we ousted Argentina from the Falklands
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    perdix said:

    HYUFD said:

    Socrates It was Sarkozy and Cameron who pushed Gaddaffi's removal, with Obama reluctantly tagging along behind. On Iran, the jury is still out, though at the moment it is Iran which is the main bulwark against ISIS backing Assad and Al-Maliki, not Obama and the US

    Mr. HYUFD, if someone could explain how the removal of Gaddaffi was in the interests of the UK I would be grateful. What the *k Cameron though he was doing is quite beyond me.
    The reason given to oppose Gaddaffi was that he was bombing his own people.

    Could someone write up the etiquette guide here? Bombing another country's people is OK, but it's considered bad manners to bomb your own?
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited July 2014
    Since we have veered into foreign and defence policy I give you this for all those watching the new HMS Elizabeth air carrier:
    http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2014/07/08/pentagons_399_billion_plane_nowhere

    There wont be any planes capable of flight for it probably ever.
    The F-35 is incapable of flight due to its crappy engine but the UK is still forking a fortune for it.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959

    Mr. Eagles, you got Prost and Senna mixed up.

    Also, I haven't seen Iron Man 2. Or 3.

    Fixed now.

    Iron Man 3 is the best comic book adaptation ever.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,875
    HurstLlama Well, I suppose Gaddaffi was behind Lockerbie. But regardless of interests, it was the UK and France which pushed action, not Obama and the US
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    English cricket is back
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,875
    TSE Hope so, have a small connection to Jonny, in that he is the cousin of the former husband of my aunt
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    HYUFD said:

    HurstLlama Well, I suppose Gaddaffi was behind Lockerbie. But regardless of interests, it was the UK and France which pushed action, not Obama and the US

    The UK and France pushed action, but not to the extent needed to do the job. When Obama decided to get involved, he pushed for a much broader mandate as part of the UN resolution.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    58% of Obamacare customers say their insurance is better than it previously was, compared to 9% that think it is worse:

    http://www.commonwealthfund.org/~/media/files/publications/issue-brief/2014/jul/1760_collins_gaining_ground_tracking_survey.pdf
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959

    perdix said:

    HYUFD said:

    Socrates It was Sarkozy and Cameron who pushed Gaddaffi's removal, with Obama reluctantly tagging along behind. On Iran, the jury is still out, though at the moment it is Iran which is the main bulwark against ISIS backing Assad and Al-Maliki, not Obama and the US

    Mr. HYUFD, if someone could explain how the removal of Gaddaffi was in the interests of the UK I would be grateful. What the *k Cameron though he was doing is quite beyond me.
    The reason given to oppose Gaddaffi was that he was bombing his own people.

    Could someone write up the etiquette guide here? Bombing another country's people is OK, but it's considered bad manners to bomb your own?
    Depends on the reasons you're bombing your own people.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,875
    Perdix That was the reason, though thankfully we did not use the same logic to ensure the toppling of Assad as ISIS are infinitely worse
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    I still get a tingle when I see this, honestly, winning a 5/6 nations is nothing compared to this, as only Scots. Irish, Welsh, French and Italian English fans know the feeling.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNEKxdW_J5I
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    HYUFD said:

    HurstLlama Well, I suppose Gaddaffi was behind Lockerbie. But regardless of interests, it was the UK and France which pushed action, not Obama and the US

    Well the hidden truth is that it was probably the PLO not Gaddaffi behind it, the CIA knew about it a few days in advance but failed to track the right plane, Gaddafi was accused because he was the boogeyman in that period between Perestroika and Noriega.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,875
    Socrates Maybe, but he came in late and then left them too it as soon as he could, as Benghazi proved
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,875
    Speedy Off to the Air Tattoo at Fairford tomorrow, so will investigate if there is anything suitable
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Socrates said:

    HYUFD said:

    HurstLlama Well, I suppose Gaddaffi was behind Lockerbie. But regardless of interests, it was the UK and France which pushed action, not Obama and the US

    The UK and France pushed action, but not to the extent needed to do the job. When Obama decided to get involved, he pushed for a much broader mandate as part of the UN resolution.
    France and Britain pushed for action for political reasons, they were down in the polls and thought a war victory will push their numbers up like the falklands, but it didn't. Sarkozy still lost and the tories are still behind Labour.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,163
    I was talking to someone involved in Yorkshire political circles the other day, and he confidently stated "Clegg is toast". He thinks the rest of us don't realise how much Mr Clegg is disliked in Sheffield. If he does lose his seat it will make a Lab/LD coalition easier to organise.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited July 2014

    I still get a tingle when I see this, honestly, winning a 5/6 nations is nothing compared to this, as only Scots. Irish, Welsh, French and Italian English fans know the feeling.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNEKxdW_J5I

    I was waking up next to a 20yr old girl from work that morning, after a work night out... the rugby was on the telly but I wasn't watching!

    Those were the days

    The daily mail have noticed the lack of Asian, black, polish and Chinese characters in Eastenders... It really is bordering on racism the portrayal of the east end as a mainly white British area, but if the programme was accurate I think the country would say wtf?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2689683/Is-great-British-soap-opera-dead-Eastenders-Corrie-going-big-miserable-storylines-concentrating-characters-10-reasons-soaps-lost-plot-BY-JIM-SHELLEY.html
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,875
    Speedy, possibly, but Gaddaffi also actively funded and supplied the PLO

    Sandy Cable or Farron would lead the LDs in a Labour coalition anyway in all likelihood. However, if Clegg loses his seat and the Tories remain largest party with no majority, Laws, Browne or Alexander (if he holds his seat) would be alternatives
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited July 2014

    I was talking to someone involved in Yorkshire political circles the other day, and he confidently stated "Clegg is toast". He thinks the rest of us don't realise how much Mr Clegg is disliked in Sheffield. If he does lose his seat it will make a Lab/LD coalition easier to organise.

    If he loses his seat there wont be a need for a coalition, Labour would have won a majority.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Arise Lord Sir James Anderson KG.
    Beat that freak Agars 98, get your ton and skittle the Indians. Then bring on the convicts.
    England aflame
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Speedy said:

    I was talking to someone involved in Yorkshire political circles the other day, and he confidently stated "Clegg is toast". He thinks the rest of us don't realise how much Mr Clegg is disliked in Sheffield. If he does lose his seat it will make a Lab/LD coalition easier to organise.

    If he loses his seat there wont be a need for a coalition, Labour would have won a majority.
    Not if he loses it to the Tories ;-)
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959

    I was talking to someone involved in Yorkshire political circles the other day, and he confidently stated "Clegg is toast". He thinks the rest of us don't realise how much Mr Clegg is disliked in Sheffield. If he does lose his seat it will make a Lab/LD coalition easier to organise.

    Oh God, not you too.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    edited July 2014
    HYUFD said:

    Speedy, possibly, but Gaddaffi also actively funded and supplied the PLO

    Aren't the US and the EU actively funding and supplying the PLO?
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    Speedy said:

    Socrates said:

    HYUFD said:

    HurstLlama Well, I suppose Gaddaffi was behind Lockerbie. But regardless of interests, it was the UK and France which pushed action, not Obama and the US

    The UK and France pushed action, but not to the extent needed to do the job. When Obama decided to get involved, he pushed for a much broader mandate as part of the UN resolution.
    France and Britain pushed for action for political reasons, they were down in the polls and thought a war victory will push their numbers up like the falklands, but it didn't. Sarkozy still lost and the tories are still behind Labour.
    Pardon me but that is just rubbish.
    Britain and France pushed for action because the population of Bangazi was slated for being slaughtered.
    Your timeline and motives are wide of the mark. Cameron and Sarkozy proposed a UN no fly zone on 11 March which was approved a few days later when the US took out the Lybian air defence radars. NATO took full control a few days later. 19 nations were involved altogether.
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Bloody hell!! I have been out and only just looked at the score.. fantabulous.. Jimmy is a hero..

    Has Southam been on whining about the state of English Cricket? .. its his usual mantra.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,875
    edited July 2014
    EdinTokyo They certainly were not in 1988
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    HYUFD said:

    EdinTokyo They certainly were not in 1988

    Sure, but they were on the same side by the time the UK and France decided to go to war with them.
  • O/T

    It's remarkable to see Tiger Woods priced as long as 20/1 (with sportingbet, Betfair,etc) for next week's Open Championship. Long gone are the days when he would start every major priced up at no more than 4/1-5/1.

    Reaching 40 years of age at the end of next year, he really has to start winning major championships again soon if he's to seriously mount a challenge to Jack Nicklaus' record tally - something which once looked like a formality.

    Having tied for 6th place last year and tied for 3rd place the year before, he has to have something of a chance. Those of a nervous disposition might prefer backing him e.w. where those nice folk at Betfair Sportsbook (i.e. their fixed odds side) are offering 16/1 against him winning outright, but pay 1/4 these odds against him finishing in the first 8 places.

    DYOR.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    Speedy said:

    Since we have veered into foreign and defence policy I give you this for all those watching the new HMS Elizabeth air carrier:
    http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2014/07/08/pentagons_399_billion_plane_nowhere

    There wont be any planes capable of flight for it probably ever.
    The F-35 is incapable of flight due to its crappy engine but the UK is still forking a fortune for it.

    The planes are testing and the programme will continue. As to whether it is the right plane for us and whether the carriers we are building are the right carriers for us - that's a different question.
    Labour procured both these programmes and made a mess of it. Not least building these carriers without catapults. All of which shows labour do not care tuppence about defence - something we must consider applies to the RN as well since they agreeed to it all.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959

    O/T

    It's remarkable to see Tiger Woods priced as long as 20/1 (with sportingbet, Betfair,etc) for next week's Open Championship. Long gone are the days when he would start every major priced up at no more than 4/1-5/1.

    Reaching 40 years of age at the end of next year, he really has to start winning major championships again soon if he's to seriously mount a challenge to Jack Nicklaus' record tally - something which once looked like a formality.

    Having tied for 6th place last year and tied for 3rd place the year before, he has to have something of a chance. Those of a nervous disposition might prefer backing him e.w. where those nice folk at Betfair Sportsbook (i.e. their fixed odds side) are offering 16/1 against him winning outright, but pay 1/4 these odds against him finishing in the first 8 places.

    DYOR.

    Thanks, I'll follow you in.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,875
    edited July 2014
    EdinTokyo Most of the evidence points to Libyans being behind Lockerbie, Al-Magrahi was convicted for it, and even a Libyan commander said Gaddaffi ordered it. Anyway, it will probably never be proved for certain either way, so will leave it there
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Socrates said:

    58% of Obamacare customers say their insurance is better than it previously was, compared to 9% that think it is worse:

    http://www.commonwealthfund.org/~/media/files/publications/issue-brief/2014/jul/1760_collins_gaining_ground_tracking_survey.pdf

    Fox News Poll 100% of Americans think Obamacare is Stalinist Plot.

    Romney is Crap is President
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
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