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edited July 2014 in General

politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » PB Nighthawks is now open

Why not relax, and converse into the night on the day’s events in PB NightHawks.

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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,002
    Good evening, everyone.

    11 - is Harman sure she wasn't marginalised for being a batshit insane feminist zealot?

    10 - Bercow's a precious little fellow, isn't he?
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    Damn... was about to lump on Germany, they were looking far more incisive...

    Could easily be 3-0 or 4-1 to them.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,563
    edited July 2014
    In your face Nate Silver.

    IN YOUR FACE NATE SILVER

    Plus, I also tipped Muller as FGS.

    Kerching.
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    Any criticism of HMS Harman is an afront to all wimmin - she is as one with wimmin. wimmin = harriet.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,563
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Good evening, everyone.

    11 - is Harman sure she wasn't marginalised for being a batshit insane feminist zealot?

    10 - Bercow's a precious little fellow, isn't he?

    Note, the formatting went mammary glands up when I wrote this thread, so you're one out now.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,412
    Germany score against Brazil 1-0, seem to be worth their lead.
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    In your face Nate Silver.

    IN YOUR FACE NATE SILVER

    Plus, I also tipped Muller as FGS.

    Kerching.

    Que??
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    Germany look like they are playing a minnow.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,002
    Mr. Eagles, ah. My points remain valid, I feel.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,412
    OMG 2-0 to Brazil!!!!
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    Called it....
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,563
    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    In your face Nate Silver.

    IN YOUR FACE NATE SILVER

    Plus, I also tipped Muller as FGS.

    Kerching.

    Que??
    Peter from Putney posted this on the last thread, after I posted I was backing Germany tonight, and laying Brazil for the World Cup, and that I had backed Muller as FGS.

    Nate Silver of 538.com gives Brazil a 73% chance of winning tonight and therefore Germany only a 27% chance. He also gives Brazil a 54% chance of lifting the World Cup trophy.

    So, TSE, either you or he is going to be very wrong this evening.

    FWIW, I'm going with Nate!
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    SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @TheScreamingEagles
    Someone should write a science fiction story where wales save the world? ;-)
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,563
    So, my 6/1 tip has become a 12/1 tip now, as Muller scored the second as well as the first.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,412
    WTF?????//
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,563
    edited July 2014
    3 nil, Brazil getting pounded like a Docksider hooker.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,412
    3-0????
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,563
    I'm a better pundit than Nate Silver. FACT
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,563
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Eagles, ah. My points remain valid, I feel.

    They are.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,412
    4-0????
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    edited July 2014
    It's Spurs all over again... 4 now
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,563
    What the actual fuck!

    I'm so glad I backed Germany and Muller as FGS!
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,563
    This is like when Liverpool shellacked Arsenal 4 nil in 19 mins earlier on this season.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,563
    I've just backed Brazil to win this at 300/1 with Boylesport.
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    SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    What price a human life?

    "Thavisha Peiris murder: Pizza delivery driver 'killed for phone'"

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-28215567
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    This is like when Liverpool shellacked Arsenal 4 nil in 19 mins earlier on this season.

    It's like watching Spurs vs the Big 4 and West Ham - Season 2013/14.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,989
    WTF. 4-0
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,412
    5-0??? Are they throwing the match or summat??
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,563
    5 nil, this could be a cricket score, or the number of points the Scottish Rugby Union team concede in an international.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,002
    Mr. Eagles, come back when you get a 70/1 winner ;)
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    edited July 2014
    Time for some subs, big phil in defence might be an improvement? 5 now
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,563
    All you Brazilians, here's a chant for you

    "It's just like watching England"
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    isamisam Posts: 40,988
    Incredible stuff

    I was gonna back over 2.5 goals and forgot!
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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    What are the chances Brazil's cities have riots tonight?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,131
    Astonishing opening 30 minutes in 1st world cup semi final, Germany 5-Brazil 0! Brazil being slaughtered. Angela will clearly reign supreme tonight, not only does Germany dominate Europe economically and politically, looks like the soccer team now dominates world football
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    What odds on David L getting sent off?
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    Germans are very egalitarian.

    Every player's going to get a goal.
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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    edited July 2014
    The Brazillians aren't even trying to mark the other side.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,563
    sean thomas knox ‏@thomasknox 41s

    As long as Germany don't go into double figures, Brazil will, at least, avoid total humiliation. #GER #BRA hahahahahahah
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    isamisam Posts: 40,988
    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    Time for some subs, big phil in defence might be an improvement? 5 now

    Senderos?
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    5:0 to Germany .... was the try converted ?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,563
    John Podhoretz ‏@jpodhoretz 1m

    I guess this is one thing you can't make a Downfall parody clip out of
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,371
    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    What odds on David L getting sent off?

    I am not even playing so I think they would be quite high!

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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,563
    I suspect the best thing about this match is going to be Alan Hansen's half time analysis on the Brazilian defending.
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    ToryJimToryJim Posts: 3,452
    Evening all. So it's commiseratory Caipirinhas all round then? Also for all his many fans tomorrow is the 217th anniversary of the death of Edmund Burke.
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    AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815 
    Eins, zwei, drei, 
    Eins, zwei, drei, 
    Vier, fünf,......        
    Vier, fünf,......       
    ............sechs, 
    ............sechs, 
    Sieben, acht, neun,
    Sieben, acht, neun,
    Zehn, elf, zwölf, 
    Zehn, elf, zwölf.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    My word, the Brazilian crowd look as glum as Labour backbenchers after PMQ's.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,137
    Brazil 2014 = Miliband's Labour 2015......
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,371
    SeanT said:

    What's the German word for Schadenfreude?

    Hahahahahahah

    Tbh the Brazilians have had this coming. Their behaviour against Columbia was a disgrace.

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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,991
    edited July 2014
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I suspect the best thing about this match is going to be Alan Hansen's half time analysis on the Brazilian defending.

    If he manages to not be struck dumb in horror at the sight, then he will demonstrate the extent and worth of his professionalism,I am sure.

    The Brazilians have certainly made me look a fool- after a couple of abject games, I thought they had picked up somewhat.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,002
    Mr. L, what did Brazil do, and was it before or after Neymar had his back broken?
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    Any criticism of HMS Harman is an afront to all wimmin - she is as one with wimmin. wimmin = harriet.

    Can I tell the story about how my mother punched her and knocked her over, again?
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    MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    My prediction - Germany to win
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,137
    If it is a Germany v Argentina final - who the hell am I supposed to root for in that???
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Charles said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    Any criticism of HMS Harman is an afront to all wimmin - she is as one with wimmin. wimmin = harriet.

    Can I tell the story about how my mother punched her and knocked her over, again?
    Tell us for the half time entertainment.

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    ToryJimToryJim Posts: 3,452
    MarqueeMark said:

    If it is a Germany v Argentina final - who the hell am I supposed to root for in that???

    The ref?
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,371
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. L, what did Brazil do, and was it before or after Neymar had his back broken?

    The kicked the Columbians (who were the better football team) off the park and the referee did nothing about it which led, ultimately, to the Naymar injury as the Columbians responded in kind.

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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,991
    5.I can see where Opperman is coming from. It's the easy approach of many in his party, much like Labour making attacks on Toffs, or implying that all Tories are toffs, but it offends a lot more people, especially as people in general seem willing to think negative things of the Tories more readily than Labour.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    MikeSmithson said:

    My prediction - Germany to win

    Are you going for a Labour Win in Bolsover as a long shot double ?



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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,563
    MarqueeMark said:

    If it is a Germany v Argentina final - who the hell am I supposed to root for in that???

    Germany of course, look the world wars weren't Germany's fault.

    The First World War, was down to some truly bizarre treaties and alliances being invoked.

    Things being slightly different, we could have been on the same side as Germany.

    The Second World War, was the fault of the Frogs, with their vile Treaty of Versailles, it wasn't surprising Germany responded the way they did.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,412
    AveryLP said:

    Eins, zwei, drei, 
    Eins, zwei, drei, 
    Vier, fünf,......        
    Vier, fünf,......       
    ............sechs, 
    ............sechs, 
    Sieben, acht, neun,
    Sieben, acht, neun,
    Zehn, elf, zwölf, 
    Zehn, elf, zwölf.
    I have a GCSE in German, too, Comrade Chancellor!
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,002
    Mr. L, cheers. Sounds a bit like karma tonight then.
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    AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    MarqueeMark said:

    If it is a Germany v Argentina final - who the hell am I supposed to root for in that???

    Germany should cover both outcomes.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,137
    edited July 2014
    ToryJim said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    If it is a Germany v Argentina final - who the hell am I supposed to root for in that???

    The ref?
    It's going to be like Alien v Predator - you have to hope they end the match with 3 a side....

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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Change in government tonight in Brazil?
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,371
    Charles said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    Any criticism of HMS Harman is an afront to all wimmin - she is as one with wimmin. wimmin = harriet.

    Can I tell the story about how my mother punched her and knocked her over, again?
    Please.

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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,412
    Half-time Germany 5-0 Brazil.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,989
    The telegraph has updated the subtitle to their liveblog:

    "What the hell is going on? Email alan.tyers@telegraph.co.uk or tweet me @alantyers if you prefer"
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    Hansen on = popcorn time! We need him on GE 2015 night as well.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,563
    Just remember, PSG just paid £50million for David Luiz.

    LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,131
    This won't be the first time that thousands of Germans will have to lie low in Brazil for a while for their own safety - Ricky Gervais on twitter
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    ToryJimToryJim Posts: 3,452
    Perhaps the German team have taken inspiration from the second verse of Das Lied Der Deutschland.
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    AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    AveryLP said:

    Eins, zwei, drei, 
    Eins, zwei, drei, 
    Vier, fünf,......        
    Vier, fünf,......       
    ............sechs, 
    ............sechs, 
    Sieben, acht, neun,
    Sieben, acht, neun,
    Zehn, elf, zwölf, 
    Zehn, elf, zwölf.
    I have a GCSE in German, too, Comrade Chancellor!
    I thought you had a doctorate, Comrade Sunilsky.

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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,563
    Some chap bet a tenner at 150/1 with Skybet that the Germans would score 5+ goals
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,989
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Some chap bet a tenner at 150/1 with Skybet that the Germans would score 5+ goals

    Nice.

    Anyone know off-hand what the highest scoring world cup game was?
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    john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    Brazil team has surpassed the old Wimbledon team in terms of hoof the ball up.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,412
    RobD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Some chap bet a tenner at 150/1 with Skybet that the Germans would score 5+ goals

    Nice.

    Anyone know off-hand what the highest scoring world cup game was?
    10-1 and 9-0 I think
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    DavidL said:

    Charles said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    Any criticism of HMS Harman is an afront to all wimmin - she is as one with wimmin. wimmin = harriet.

    Can I tell the story about how my mother punched her and knocked her over, again?
    Please.

    Nothing much to it.

    They were great friends at school (used to hang out together with Fiona Fowler).

    Then one day Harriet turned to Mum and said "My uncle [Longford] says that your Dad married a bitch."

    So my mother, not unreasonably, flattened her.

    Unfortunately, what she hadn't realised is that Longford was referring to her father's first wife, of whose existence she was completely unaware...
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,563
    Sun Politics @Sun_Politics · 5s

    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead jumps four points to seven: CON 31%, LAB 38%, LD 8%, UKIP 12%
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,563
    RobD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Some chap bet a tenner at 150/1 with Skybet that the Germans would score 5+ goals

    Nice.

    Anyone know off-hand what the highest scoring world cup game was?
    There was a 7-5 a few years ago, and a couple of 9nils and a 10-1
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,991
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sun Politics @Sun_Politics · 5s

    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead jumps four points to seven: CON 31%, LAB 38%, LD 8%, UKIP 12%

    Well at least the Tories have only conceded an additional 4 in a day, not 45 minutes.

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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sun Politics @Sun_Politics · 5s

    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead jumps four points to seven: CON 31%, LAB 38%, LD 8%, UKIP 12%

    So may be there is something real going on - that's 3 now in that zone.

    But what?
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    I've taken 10/1 on more than 8.5 goals with Betfair.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,989
    kle4 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sun Politics @Sun_Politics · 5s

    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead jumps four points to seven: CON 31%, LAB 38%, LD 8%, UKIP 12%

    Well at least the Tories have only conceded an additional 4 in a day, not 45 minutes.

    *like*
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    ToryJimToryJim Posts: 3,452
    RobD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Some chap bet a tenner at 150/1 with Skybet that the Germans would score 5+ goals

    Nice.

    Anyone know off-hand what the highest scoring world cup game was?
    Hungary v El Salvador in 1982 possibly. 11 goals in that match and of course Australia put 31 past Samoa in a qualifier once
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    isamisam Posts: 40,988
    @TSE

    Re the Enoch comment, I think he only meant it in the same way that it would seem, at the moment, very strange to think of a white man as Pakistani.. maybe in 50 years time if there is mass immigration to Pakistan from Northern Europe it will seem racist in hindsight, but at the moment, if a Pakistani said it, I wouldn't feel like he was having a go at me
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,371
    Charles said:

    DavidL said:

    Charles said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    Any criticism of HMS Harman is an afront to all wimmin - she is as one with wimmin. wimmin = harriet.

    Can I tell the story about how my mother punched her and knocked her over, again?
    Please.

    Nothing much to it.

    They were great friends at school (used to hang out together with Fiona Fowler).

    Then one day Harriet turned to Mum and said "My uncle [Longford] says that your Dad married a bitch."

    So my mother, not unreasonably, flattened her.

    Unfortunately, what she hadn't realised is that Longford was referring to her father's first wife, of whose existence she was completely unaware...
    Hasn't happened quite enough has it?

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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,989
    Thanks, are those all world cup games? I wonder what the highest scoring semi-final or final was?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,991
    RobD said:

    Thanks, are those all world cup games? I wonder what the highest scoring semi-final or final was?

    Semi Final? 6-1 apparently.
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    FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sun Politics @Sun_Politics · 5s

    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead jumps four points to seven: CON 31%, LAB 38%, LD 8%, UKIP 12%

    SBTOTS.

    Os Tories são brasileiros.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,563
    isam said:

    @TSE

    Re the Enoch comment, I think he only meant it in the same way that it would seem, at the moment, very strange to think of a white man as Pakistani.. maybe in 50 years time if there is mass immigration to Pakistan from Northern Europe it will seem racist in hindsight, but at the moment, if a Pakistani said it, I wouldn't feel like he was having a go at me

    I'll dig out the full quote, but Enoch was a racist, and wrong on that, and many other things.

    He was talking about the principle, which is what is currently espoused by Nick Griffin "If I were born in a barn, that doesn't make me a horse"
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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    isam said:

    @TSE

    Re the Enoch comment, I think he only meant it in the same way that it would seem, at the moment, very strange to think of a white man as Pakistani.. maybe in 50 years time if there is mass immigration to Pakistan from Northern Europe it will seem racist in hindsight, but at the moment, if a Pakistani said it, I wouldn't feel like he was having a go at me

    I'll dig out the full quote, but Enoch was a racist, and wrong on that, and many other things.

    He was talking about the principle, which is what is currently espoused by Nick Griffin "If I were born in a barn, that doesn't make me a horse"
    Indeed. It's not like there weren't non-whites who already had British passports and identified with this country in the 1960s.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,131
    On the polls they are jumping around all over the place at the moment, the Tories have probably been hit more than Labour by the sex abuse cover up allegations and by Coulson's jailing, but the fundamentals remain, the Tories need to squeeze the UKIP vote back well below 10% towards 5% or they will lose, until that happens everything else is irrelevant. Cameron got a small boost from Juncker towards that goal, which has now receded, he has to keep focus on that aim
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,894
    Wow tonights YG LAB 367 CON 235 LD 21 Other 27

    Ed is crap is landslide PM as YG joins the outlier trend.

    300 days to go

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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,371
    Extraordinary surge by Labour, almost Teutonic. I find it really hard to understand what is causing this, unless there has been some delayed reaction to Coulson etc.

    Or as the government of the day are the tories picking up the grief for the alleged cover ups of child abuse? That would seem a bit unfair but the subject stirs stronger emotions than almost anything we discuss regularly on here.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,563
    Socrates said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    isam said:

    @TSE

    Re the Enoch comment, I think he only meant it in the same way that it would seem, at the moment, very strange to think of a white man as Pakistani.. maybe in 50 years time if there is mass immigration to Pakistan from Northern Europe it will seem racist in hindsight, but at the moment, if a Pakistani said it, I wouldn't feel like he was having a go at me

    I'll dig out the full quote, but Enoch was a racist, and wrong on that, and many other things.

    He was talking about the principle, which is what is currently espoused by Nick Griffin "If I were born in a barn, that doesn't make me a horse"
    Indeed. It's not like there weren't non-whites who already had British passports and identified with this country in the 1960s.
    There was a piece by Peter Oborne a few years ago, to tie in with his book on the D'Oliveria affair, said that it was the timing of the D'Oliveria affair is what damaged Enoch more than anything else.

    Who would have thought that a Cape Coloured help changed the world, and this country, so much.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,563
    Charles said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sun Politics @Sun_Politics · 5s

    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead jumps four points to seven: CON 31%, LAB 38%, LD 8%, UKIP 12%

    So may be there is something real going on - that's 3 now in that zone.

    But what?
    Unwind from the Juncker stuff, and I'm going to say the paedophile story and headlines aren't helping the government.

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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    HYUFD said:

    On the polls they are jumping around all over the place at the moment, the Tories have probably been hit more than Labour by the sex abuse cover up allegations and by Coulson's jailing, but the fundamentals remain, the Tories need to squeeze the UKIP vote back well below 10% towards 5% or they will lose, until that happens everything else is irrelevant. Cameron got a small boost from Juncker towards that goal, which has now receded, he has to keep focus on that aim

    Cameron has got huge boosts every time he's stood up for the UK against the EU centralising power. UKIP do better whenever the EU is in the news. The Lb Dem vote collapsed when they tried to be "the party of in". Huge shares of the country want major powers, including control of immigration, back in national hands. When are the political establishment going to realise that euroscepticism is politically popular?

    If the Conservatives came out and said, "We want A, B and C back from the EU or else we'll leave" they would win the next election. If they refuse to do that in order to stick up for a corrupt, undemocratic institution that has nothing but contempt for us, and let Ed Miliband in as a result, it will be sheer political malpractice.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @schofieldkevin: BREAKING Cowdenbeath FC announce that they no longer wish to be known as The Blue Brazil.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,991
    DavidL said:

    Extraordinary surge by Labour, almost Teutonic. I find it really hard to understand what is causing this,

    As the days go by, and even as it seems the Tories should be getting more support (rather than merely Labour support declining,as very slightly had appeared the case),it is getting harder and harder to see when the Tories will have a chance to turn things around,even as there appears not much that should impact them negatively in a significant way. If they haven't turned it around already, is the Ed M affect really enough on its own to stop it? It seems doubtful.

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