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HenryG - really good to see you back today after such a long absence, especially handing out your quality Tennis & Political tips. I followed you by backing Burnham to be the next Labour leader, which could prove to be a very, very long wait. But then again .......
One last thing Henry, if Labour don't win the next election, will Ed M try and stay on as leader and contest 2019/20 or will they force him out?
If the Tories win most seats and Cameron is returned as the next PM then Ed Miliband will go within 48 hours. Even if he wanted to stay in those circumstances (I very much doubt) then he'll be marched off the premises anyhow. As it happens I still fancy Labour to be the largest party. I do however expect the next Labour government to be incredibly unpopular. And with limited political capital then Ed may well not last the full term as party leader.
Cheers, I wasn't sure because Ed brought up the ghost of Kinnock recently so I thought he might have tried to stick around even if Labour lose.
One area where Labour is shameless on the NHS is in not acknowledging that their open door immigration policy 1997-2010 was always going to require a significantly level of investment in the NHS, just to stand still.
Thanks Peter. As you know, I don't go for short-priced so-called 'dead certs' but aim to win in the longer run. The key for those who've not backed my tennis picks in the past, is to take a medium term view focusing on value.
It comes to something when Ed fails to win an NHS exchange Welsh NHS a mill stone round Ed's neck.
As is Mid-Staff Hospital. Cameron says average waiting times when Miliband was in cabinet was over 70 minutes. Now it is around 30 minutes. There are more doctors, nurses and midwives. More patients are being treated every year, he says. Under Labour, we had the disgrace of Mid-Staffs.
Mid-Staffs doesn't resonate. Cameron said there'd be no top down re-organisation of the NHS which there was. This is the Tory tuition fees. The blues are lucky that the shadow health sec is the under-whelming Andy Burnham.
Facts about how bad the NHS is or has been just do not stick. The NHS is really a religious belief immune from a rationale critique. At some point in the future that view will change but it will take a multiplicity of Mid Staffs deaths to change the religious belief.
I think a lot of the strategic errors that Ed has made have effectively been forced on him by the blind alley Gordon Brown took the party into.
You would think it would be obvious that, after scoring less than 30% in a general election, a new leader would have to demonstrate to the electorate that he had learnt from past mistakes and had a new direction to offer the public. As to what those mistakes are, well that's a difficult balancing act - no new leader can argue that everything they did when in Cabinet was an awful terrible error. But you have to contrast yourself with the rejected leader that went before. Miliband had to bury the Brown legacy.
This is why I feel that Balls has been such a millstone for Miliband. It is why he was right not to appoint him Shadow Chancellor at first, and why the source of Labour's weakness is that so many relatively big figures - such as David Miliband and James Purnell - simply decided to walk away, so that Miliband had no-one else to turn to when Johnson resigned.
It comes to something when Ed fails to win an NHS exchange Welsh NHS a mill stone round Ed's neck.
As is Mid-Staff Hospital. Cameron says average waiting times when Miliband was in cabinet was over 70 minutes. Now it is around 30 minutes. There are more doctors, nurses and midwives. More patients are being treated every year, he says. Under Labour, we had the disgrace of Mid-Staffs.
Mid-Staffs doesn't resonate. Cameron said there'd be no top down re-organisation of the NHS which there was. This is the Tory tuition fees.
The blues are lucky that the shadow health sec is the under-whelming Andy Burnham.
The Welsh NHS is far more a threat to Labour than Burnham's deficiencies.
Yes if voters were making a rationale judgement. But the Welsh show no sign of kicking out Labour in response to the state of the Welsh NHS.
It comes to something when Ed fails to win an NHS exchange
Welsh NHS a mill stone round Ed's neck.
As is Mid-Staff Hospital.
Cameron says average waiting times when Miliband was in cabinet was over 70 minutes. Now it is around 30 minutes.
There are more doctors, nurses and midwives. More patients are being treated every year, he says. Under Labour, we had the disgrace of Mid-Staffs.
Mid-Staffs doesn't resonate. Cameron said there'd be no top down re-organisation of the NHS which there was. This is the Tory tuition fees.
The blues are lucky that the shadow health sec is the under-whelming Andy Burnham.
That's the funny thing. Burnham is supposed to do quite well in focus groups. Just shows that what you need with shadow ministers is effective attack dogs. That doesn't work with the leader though - look at Michael Howard.
There was a time a few months ago on here when every thread, no matter what the subject, was instantly wrecked by buffoons banging on about north Britain and telling us all - from Sweden - about how wa didnae understand what was afoot in the centre of the political universe, Dundee (or wherever). No matter what the rest of us were talking about, all that mattered to a certain nutty tendency was Scotland.
Some of the more acutely touched in the head posters have departed, so that a blessed near-silence from this tendency now reigns.
Perhaps the cyber slush fund has dried up ?
You wish Flash, not many of your billionaire blood suckers helping NO out , leaving it to the Tories to use public funds to fight their battle.
You are getting out from under your rock a lot these days , cretin.
Oh, the rapier wit!
The scintillating repartee!
What will we do after September 18 when you fall strangely silent......?
One thing is for sure you will not get a life , and will be very embarrassed to boot . I will enjoy slagging foreigners, who will still be wittering about border posts and how big a clout they have as they get humilated once again by all and sundry. You will love being a RUMP UK citizen , near as good as JackW loving being an ARSE.
And the Nats wonder why they are losing.....what's plan B on currency? When was the last time you engaged in debate rather than simply insult those who hold a different view from yourself?
There was a time a few months ago on here when every thread, no matter what the subject, was instantly wrecked by buffoons banging on about north Britain and telling us all - from Sweden - about how wa didnae understand what was afoot in the centre of the political universe, Dundee (or wherever). No matter what the rest of us were talking about, all that mattered to a certain nutty tendency was Scotland.
Some of the more acutely touched in the head posters have departed, so that a blessed near-silence from this tendency now reigns.
Perhaps the cyber slush fund has dried up ?
You wish Flash, not many of your billionaire blood suckers helping NO out , leaving it to the Tories to use public funds to fight their battle.
You are getting out from under your rock a lot these days , cretin.
Oh, the rapier wit!
The scintillating repartee!
What will we do after September 18 when you fall strangely silent......?
One thing is for sure you will not get a life , and will be very embarrassed to boot . I will enjoy slagging foreigners, who will still be wittering about border posts and how big a clout they have as they get humilated once again by all and sundry. You will love being a RUMP UK citizen , near as good as JackW loving being an ARSE.
And the Nats wonder why they are losing.....what's plan B on currency? When was the last time you engaged in debate rather than simply insult those who hold a different view from yourself?
Pound Yawn, how stupid are you
Not stupid enough to think you'll get a joint bank account....
It comes to something when Ed fails to win an NHS exchange
Welsh NHS a mill stone round Ed's neck.
As is Mid-Staff Hospital.
Cameron says average waiting times when Miliband was in cabinet was over 70 minutes. Now it is around 30 minutes.
There are more doctors, nurses and midwives. More patients are being treated every year, he says. Under Labour, we had the disgrace of Mid-Staffs.
Mid-Staffs doesn't resonate. Cameron said there'd be no top down re-organisation of the NHS which there was. This is the Tory tuition fees.
The blues are lucky that the shadow health sec is the under-whelming Andy Burnham.
Nope, this is a bottom up reorganisation. Giving power back to the GPs - the people who know the patients. Or that was the plan until the Libdems hamstrung it.
Very true about the meddling by the LDs, but we should not expect them to share the blame for it. It was a political mistake by Cameron to leave it to Lansley and Letwin to reconcile the two views into a modified plan which led to a reorg.... But the Head of an organisation has to trust the people they appointed, unfortunately these two were/are prize duffers.
It comes to something when Ed fails to win an NHS exchange
Welsh NHS a mill stone round Ed's neck.
As is Mid-Staff Hospital.
Cameron says average waiting times when Miliband was in cabinet was over 70 minutes. Now it is around 30 minutes.
There are more doctors, nurses and midwives. More patients are being treated every year, he says. Under Labour, we had the disgrace of Mid-Staffs.
Mid-Staffs doesn't resonate. Cameron said there'd be no top down re-organisation of the NHS which there was. This is the Tory tuition fees.
The blues are lucky that the shadow health sec is the under-whelming Andy Burnham.
Nope, this is a bottom up reorganisation.
Giving power back to the GPs - the people who know the patients. Or that was the plan until the Libdems hamstrung it.
FoxInSox, gent of this parish and medicus in the county of Leicestershire, probably knows more about the effect of the changes to the NHS than any of the rest of us. He has posted on more than one occasion that they are working well.
Is Mr. Smithson could therefore to be held to be talking through his hat, or at least through his own prejudices?
It comes to something when Ed fails to win an NHS exchange
Welsh NHS a mill stone round Ed's neck.
As is Mid-Staff Hospital.
Cameron says average waiting times when Miliband was in cabinet was over 70 minutes. Now it is around 30 minutes.
There are more doctors, nurses and midwives. More patients are being treated every year, he says. Under Labour, we had the disgrace of Mid-Staffs.
Mid-Staffs doesn't resonate. Cameron said there'd be no top down re-organisation of the NHS which there was. This is the Tory tuition fees.
The blues are lucky that the shadow health sec is the under-whelming Andy Burnham.
Nope, this is a bottom up reorganisation. Giving power back to the GPs - the people who know the patients. Or that was the plan until the Libdems hamstrung it.
Very true about the meddling by the LDs, but we should not expect them to share the blame for it. It was a political mistake by Cameron to leave it to Lansley and Letwin to reconcile the two views into a modified plan which led to a reorg.... But the Head of an organisation has to trust the people they appointed, unfortunately these two were/are prize duffers.
Sure - but I was responding to OGH's claim that it was a 'top down reorganisation': it wasn't.
This is about taking power away from the centre and putting in the hands of the people who know what the patients want and need
It comes to something when Ed fails to win an NHS exchange
Welsh NHS a mill stone round Ed's neck.
As is Mid-Staff Hospital.
Cameron says average waiting times when Miliband was in cabinet was over 70 minutes. Now it is around 30 minutes.
There are more doctors, nurses and midwives. More patients are being treated every year, he says. Under Labour, we had the disgrace of Mid-Staffs.
Mid-Staffs doesn't resonate. Cameron said there'd be no top down re-organisation of the NHS which there was. This is the Tory tuition fees.
The blues are lucky that the shadow health sec is the under-whelming Andy Burnham.
Nope, this is a bottom up reorganisation.
Giving power back to the GPs - the people who know the patients. Or that was the plan until the Libdems hamstrung it.
Yes I agree, but the framework is in place for it to continue to be driven by the users. The NHS spends a lot of money - it's under pressure. The worry is that people like GPs or potential GPs chose to work in another profession. The French NHS of course, always lauded as the best, is in deficit to the tune of billions of Euros.
It comes to something when Ed fails to win an NHS exchange
Welsh NHS a mill stone round Ed's neck.
As is Mid-Staff Hospital.
Cameron says average waiting times when Miliband was in cabinet was over 70 minutes. Now it is around 30 minutes.
There are more doctors, nurses and midwives. More patients are being treated every year, he says. Under Labour, we had the disgrace of Mid-Staffs.
Mid-Staffs doesn't resonate. Cameron said there'd be no top down re-organisation of the NHS which there was. This is the Tory tuition fees.
The blues are lucky that the shadow health sec is the under-whelming Andy Burnham.
Nope, this is a bottom up reorganisation.
Giving power back to the GPs - the people who know the patients. Or that was the plan until the Libdems hamstrung it.
FoxInSox, gent of this parish and medicus in the county of Leicestershire, probably knows more about the effect of the changes to the NHS than any of the rest of us. He has posted on more than one occasion that they are working well.
Is Mr. Smithson could therefore to be held to be talking through his hat, or at least through his own prejudices?
It's a shock, isn't it.
I care about outcomes (having a vested interest in a stable and healthy society).
I don't have any time for political prejudice.
It seems that OGH believes that his political views are more important than achieving high quality education or healthcare provision for the people of this country
There was a time a few months ago on here when every thread, no matter what the subject, was instantly wrecked by buffoons banging on about north Britain and telling us all - from Sweden - about how wa didnae understand what was afoot in the centre of the political universe, Dundee (or wherever). No matter what the rest of us were talking about, all that mattered to a certain nutty tendency was Scotland.
Some of the more acutely touched in the head posters have departed, so that a blessed near-silence from this tendency now reigns.
Perhaps the cyber slush fund has dried up ?
You wish Flash, not many of your billionaire blood suckers helping NO out , leaving it to the Tories to use public funds to fight their battle.
You are getting out from under your rock a lot these days , cretin.
Oh, the rapier wit!
The scintillating repartee!
What will we do after September 18 when you fall strangely silent......?
One thing is for sure you will not get a life , and will be very embarrassed to boot . I will enjoy slagging foreigners, who will still be wittering about border posts and how big a clout they have as they get humilated once again by all and sundry. You will love being a RUMP UK citizen , near as good as JackW loving being an ARSE.
And the Nats wonder why they are losing.....what's plan B on currency? When was the last time you engaged in debate rather than simply insult those who hold a different view from yourself?
Pound Yawn, how stupid are you
Not stupid enough to think you'll get a joint bank account....
with or without makes little difference , still the Pound, hard luck unionists.
Survation @Survation 10 mins For those who have asked, relative to today's @yougov & @thetimes articles. We will be discussing our methodology thoughts on the #indyref
I did wonder if Mr Kellner's comments were provoked by Mr Lowe's comment on PB about the Euros.
As I recall he highlighted YouGov prompting for UKIP in their (close to the result) EU Parliament polling, which they do not do in their General Election polling.
Fascinating, almost the same as the Tory posters, I am deeply shocked.
Ed's better when he's funny. Also the tactic of asking the PM whether an obscure statistic is true or not doesn't work. Cam has plenty of other stats up his sleeve.
Watching Daily Politics for once and two things struck me. Chris Leslie' answers were so predictable (as are most politicians), and the remark from the deputy political correspondent that the real reason why Ed won't agree to a referendum is that he thinks no one would believe him. If that's the case, he's really in trouble.
In Cammo's case, we think there will be a referendum but he is only going through the motions.
What's most irritating for me about the EC drive to political union is the realisation that it was always the intention to do that. But the cunning plan was to pretend that it was only going to be a trading area. Once that was established, and hopefully the benefits of trade became clear, they could march on to the real objective.The Sudetenland plan, in essemce, but don't let the voters know, they might object.
And politicians wonder why they're not trusted. It's a two-way street.
Wales is a big problem for Labour, and getting bigger. Health and Education are labour's central plank policies. Cameron has indicated today how they can no longer attack on those issues.
Ah, MalkieG, the kilt wearing shepherd frae Aberdeen returns.
(Kilt wearing shepherd? The sheep know what the sound of a zip means)
Have a few of those rocks fell on your napper. Trying to pretend you are Scottish is pretty infantile. I think if you try hard you will find I am almost as close to London as I am to Aberdeen you stupid turnip. What I would expect from a unionist troll.
Ah, MalkieG, the kilt wearing shepherd frae Aberdeen returns.
(Kilt wearing shepherd? The sheep know what the sound of a zip means)
Have a few of those rocks fell on your napper. Trying to pretend you are Scottish is pretty infantile. I think if you try hard you will find I am almost as close to London as I am to Aberdeen you stupid turnip. What I would expect from a unionist troll.
A bottle of Bucky, and Flossie only has eyes for ewe, eh Malcolm?
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@Pulpstar I like to listen to it when I can. Ed was using one set of figures, and Dave another. Listen to it and note that Cam was answering different questions to the ones asked. It was the same with the figures in Ed's speech the other day, the Spectator had a look at his and Dave's data. Possibly worth a read if you are interested in politics and betting, ignore it if you only want to score points on a board.
But we all know Ed is basically Crap - under a different leader, I think Labour would perhaps still b in the forties heading for a nailed on majority right now.
I'm not so sure about that, at least not with the available candidates. The only one of the five who ran last time that I rate is Ed Balls, but although he's a more effective politician than Ed M in my view, it's also true that he's not terribly likeable. And I don't see Chukka, Rachel Reeves or Yvette as obviously better than Ed M.
I think a lot of the strategic errors that Ed has made have effectively been forced on him by the blind alley Gordon Brown took the party into.
I do hope they choose Chukka.
I can't imagine a more self-inflated empty suit.
I have great confidence that the British people will see through him in no time
All this just shows what a dangerous time it is for a party when it chanes leader. In my view parties change theor leaders far too quickly. Looking around - who do Labour have? By all means name names but bear in mind how whoever they chose will cause some dispute in one or more wings of the party. The tories frankly should be grateful they have Cameron and should think a dozen times before mooting any change. What he has now is experience. It's easy for any new starry eyed leader from any party to think they can do this that or the other but reality is a hard taskmaster, its silly to throw away what it teaches.
World's most wanted man is favourite to be TIME Person of The Year:
I'm reckoning Angelina Jolie.
Ticks a lot of boxes - inspiration to women, breast cancer, campaign against conflict rape, lots of beautiful pictures, etc. ISIS is just a little, fresh, shall we say?
There was a time a few months ago on here when every thread, no matter what the subject, was instantly wrecked by buffoons banging on about north Britain and telling us all - from Sweden - about how wa didnae understand what was afoot in the centre of the political universe, Dundee (or wherever). No matter what the rest of us were talking about, all that mattered to a certain nutty tendency was Scotland.
Some of the more acutely touched in the head posters have departed, so that a blessed near-silence from this tendency now reigns.
Perhaps the cyber slush fund has dried up ?
You wish Flash, not many of your billionaire blood suckers helping NO out , leaving it to the Tories to use public funds to fight their battle.
You are getting out from under your rock a lot these days , cretin.
Oh, the rapier wit!
The scintillating repartee!
What will we do after September 18 when you fall strangely silent......?
One thing is for sure you will not get a life , and will be very embarrassed to boot . I will enjoy slagging foreigners, who will still be wittering about border posts and how big a clout they have as they get humilated once again by all and sundry. You will love being a RUMP UK citizen , near as good as JackW loving being an ARSE.
And the Nats wonder why they are losing.....what's plan B on currency? When was the last time you engaged in debate rather than simply insult those who hold a different view from yourself?
Pound Yawn, how stupid are you
Not stupid enough to think you'll get a joint bank account....
with or without makes little difference , still the Pound, hard luck unionists.
Oh I think you'll find it does.......
Such a move would likely see Scotland resigning all control over monetary policy and losing the Bank of England as lender of last resort, with potentially dire economic consequences.
Interest rates would be set by a foreign country, while the lack of backup support for the financial sector could trigger a banking exodus.
Watching Daily Politics for once and two things struck me. Chris Leslie' answers were so predictable (as are most politicians), and the remark from the deputy political correspondent that the real reason why Ed won't agree to a referendum is that he thinks no one would believe him. If that's the case, he's really in trouble.
In Cammo's case, we think there will be a referendum but he is only going through the motions.
What's most irritating for me about the EC drive to political union is the realisation that it was always the intention to do that. But the cunning plan was to pretend that it was only going to be a trading area. Once that was established, and hopefully the benefits of trade became clear, they could march on to the real objective.The Sudetenland plan, in essemce, but don't let the voters know, they might object.
And politicians wonder why they're not trusted. It's a two-way street.
One of the interesting points made in Mr Cummings recent article was that swing voters assume politicians' pledges are lies.
One area where Labour is shameless on the NHS is in not acknowledging that their open door immigration policy 1997-2010 was always going to require a significantly level of investment in the NHS, just to stand still.
The same applies to education.
I love the way Labour relabelled what is patently current spending as investment, i.e. capital spending.
Fascinating, almost the same as the Tory posters, I am deeply shocked.
Ed's better when he's funny. Also the tactic of asking the PM whether an obscure statistic is true or not doesn't work. Cam has plenty of other stats up his sleeve.
Once upon a time Minister's were expected to respond immediately to a question on policy, but a question on fact (e.g. statistics) could be answered in writing later. The idea being that the point of questions (including PMQs) was to hold ministers to account and no minister could be expected to have at his/her fingertips all the statistics that anyone could ask about. I am not sure quite when the changeover occurred, but minister's questions (again including PMQs) have degenerated into a battle between each sides briefing teams and have really lost their point and become, frankly, rather pathetic.
How I long for the day when some one stands up to ask the usual sort of question, "Blah, blah, blah, so will the minister agree that blah, blah, blah" and the minister stands up, says, "No" and sits down again.
One area where Labour is shameless on the NHS is in not acknowledging that their open door immigration policy 1997-2010 was always going to require a significantly level of investment in the NHS, just to stand still.
The same applies to education.
I love the way Labour relabelled what is patently current spending as investment, i.e. capital spending.
To be fair to Labour - in this instance - they are following standard accountancy practice.
But we all know Ed is basically Crap - under a different leader, I think Labour would perhaps still b in the forties heading for a nailed on majority right now.
I'm not so sure about that, at least not with the available candidates. The only one of the five who ran last time that I rate is Ed Balls, but although he's a more effective politician than Ed M in my view, it's also true that he's not terribly likeable. And I don't see Chukka, Rachel Reeves or Yvette as obviously better than Ed M.
I think a lot of the strategic errors that Ed has made have effectively been forced on him by the blind alley Gordon Brown took the party into.
I do hope they choose Chukka.
I can't imagine a more self-inflated empty suit.
I have great confidence that the British people will see through him in no time
All this just shows what a dangerous time it is for a party when it chanes leader. In my view parties change theor leaders far too quickly. Looking around - who do Labour have? By all means name names but bear in mind how whoever they chose will cause some dispute in one or more wings of the party. The tories frankly should be grateful they have Cameron and should think a dozen times before mooting any change. What he has now is experience. It's easy for any new starry eyed leader from any party to think they can do this that or the other but reality is a hard taskmaster, its silly to throw away what it teaches.
Labour need someone who can engage with the working class old Labour vote
Frank Field is too old I guess, I always say Jon Cruddas but to me he seems the most down to earth option... He is quite good on the tv, has been on This Week with Portillo a few times... I think labour would do better with him in charge than any of the others
He has a senior role without the stain of office in the last govt... From wiki his views on immigration, and he will know, being the MP for Dagenham, are what labour should be saying to it's core vote
"He has also described himself as "mistaken" over his decision to vote for British participation in the 2003 invasion of Iraq and has criticised his party's record on immigration, saying that "we had too many people coming too fast", and that "immigration has been used as a 21st century incomes policy, and protections in terms of the labour market have not been substantial enough."
What was he supposed to do? This was potentially a criminal matter that could have become a prosecution and so its quite right the Home Secretary should seek to remain neutral, isn;t it?
@Bond_James_Bond "It's not fair, give the puir wee babbies more English gold."
You would have to give the people of the other UK nations that have been pushed into poverty, their share as well. But as you are blind to what is happening to your country, you wouldn't think of that, would you?
I have to hand it to MalcolmG, hanging around even as the going gets tough for the nats....
Also to be fair to Mr. G., it was once possible to have a sensible conversation with him. Nowadays, he mainly just produces abuse of the type and frequency that would get other posters banned. Why he is allowed such licence I know not, but he is. However the good thing is that most of his posts are very short so he doesn't waste much of my time. I just wish that the real Mr. G. would come back to us.
@taffys You would assume that it might have required an answer rather than just, "handing it on" ,then forgetting about it? (Your mileage may vary according to your view of child abuse)
Oh my .... the gloomy faces behind Ed. Wales is a big problem for Labour, and getting bigger. Health and Education are labour's central plank policies. Cameron has indicated today how they can no longer attack on those issues.
Maybe, but Labour's vote in the EC elections rose by +7.86% in the recent elections.
You're making me blush MrBurningEars. Thank you. Easing my way back onto the saddle. Ideas for a column topic always welcome. Hoping to do one in the next fortnight.
I have to hand it to MalcolmG, hanging around even as the going gets tough for the nats....
Also to be fair to Mr. G., it was once possible to have a sensible conversation with him. Nowadays, he mainly just produces abuse of the type and frequency that would get other posters banned. Why he is allowed such licence I know not, but he is. However the good thing is that most of his posts are very short so he doesn't waste much of my time. I just wish that the real Mr. G. would come back to us.
I think he simply has Tourette's with a topnote of Dunning-Kruger.
It comes to something when Ed fails to win an NHS exchange
Welsh NHS a mill stone round Ed's neck.
As is Mid-Staff Hospital.
Cameron says average waiting times when Miliband was in cabinet was over 70 minutes. Now it is around 30 minutes.
There are more doctors, nurses and midwives. More patients are being treated every year, he says. Under Labour, we had the disgrace of Mid-Staffs.
Mid-Staffs doesn't resonate. Cameron said there'd be no top down re-organisation of the NHS which there was. This is the Tory tuition fees.
The blues are lucky that the shadow health sec is the under-whelming Andy Burnham.
Nope, this is a bottom up reorganisation. Giving power back to the GPs - the people who know the patients. Or that was the plan until the Libdems hamstrung it.
Very true about the meddling by the LDs, but we should not expect them to share the blame for it. It was a political mistake by Cameron to leave it to Lansley and Letwin to reconcile the two views into a modified plan which led to a reorg.... But the Head of an organisation has to trust the people they appointed, unfortunately these two were/are prize duffers.
Sure - but I was responding to OGH's claim that it was a 'top down reorganisation': it wasn't.
This is about taking power away from the centre and putting in the hands of the people who know what the patients want and need
I don't want to give cause for alarm but you suck at English.
Maybe, but Labour's vote in the EC elections rose by +7.86% in the recent elections.
In Wales? Maybe. But Wales itself is irrelevant. The tories are using Wales to arm themselves against attacks from labour on what is happening in England.
@taffys You would assume that it might have required an answer rather than just, "handing it on" ,then forgetting about it? (Your mileage may vary according to your view of child abuse)
What's got your goat today, Smarmy? World against you (again)?
@taffys You would assume that it might have required an answer rather than just, "handing it on" ,then forgetting about it? (Your mileage may vary according to your view of child abuse)
What could he say, without risk of prejudicing any subsequent prosecution.
* I'll make sure the police look at it * is the most helpful thing he could do & I'm sure it's what the MP in question was hoping for
Not really following the tennis (though I watched Bouchard beat Kerber), but I see Murray has decided to emulate the example of the Byzantine Emperor Basil II.
Basil, of course, was thrashed by Stephen the Great (an early Bulgar leader), but more than made up for the defeat by his subsequent glorious victories.
@TOPPING It's been a good day today, I managed to get several posts ignored. (I award myself double points for those)
Crikey, Comrade, on that principle you would be happiest of nobody replied to your posts ever. Well, if that is what you want I'll be happy to do my bit.
Mr. Smarmeron, the absence of a reply doesn't necessarily mean you're being ignored. The other person may have nothing to add, or simply have left (I come and go several times a day, usually).
@Morris_Dancer Very true Morris, however I try to "weight" for things like that, of course, as we all know "weighting" is an imprecise science, or perhaps arcane art?
My happiness is assured and unbounded. Get him to do one on the present projection for "house starts" for this year if you could?
hmm - we have all seen the document showing housing starts (public and private) over the past few decades.
Doesn't reflect well on anyone tbh and so in the same breath as saying that the Cons aren't building enough you could as easily ask why Lab didn't build any either while they were in power.
Not of course that I want to send you back to that slough of despond....
It comes to something when Ed fails to win an NHS exchange
Welsh NHS a mill stone round Ed's neck.
As is Mid-Staff Hospital.
Cameron says average waiting times when Miliband was in cabinet was over 70 minutes. Now it is around 30 minutes.
There are more doctors, nurses and midwives. More patients are being treated every year, he says. Under Labour, we had the disgrace of Mid-Staffs.
Mid-Staffs doesn't resonate. Cameron said there'd be no top down re-organisation of the NHS which there was. This is the Tory tuition fees.
The blues are lucky that the shadow health sec is the under-whelming Andy Burnham.
Nope, this is a bottom up reorganisation. Giving power back to the GPs - the people who know the patients. Or that was the plan until the Libdems hamstrung it.
Very true about the meddling by the LDs, but we should not expect them to share the blame for it. It was a political mistake by Cameron to leave it to Lansley and Letwin to reconcile the two views into a modified plan which led to a reorg.... But the Head of an organisation has to trust the people they appointed, unfortunately these two were/are prize duffers.
Sure - but I was responding to OGH's claim that it was a 'top down reorganisation': it wasn't.
This is about taking power away from the centre and putting in the hands of the people who know what the patients want and need
I don't want to give cause for alarm but you suck at English.
"top down" and "bottom up" are jargonese, not English...
Interestingly, if you google "top down reorganisation" (without inverted commas) you only come up with references to the NHS and Cameron. I guess that it means what people want to it mean...
@TOPPING The projection for this year is for them to be down 4%, with the figures due at a very awkward time. Expect smoke and mirrors combined with buck passing (the relevant ministers are looking into this as we speak).
@TOPPING The projection for this year is for them to be down 4%, with the figures due at a very awkward time. Expect smoke and mirrors combined with buck passing (the relevant ministers are looking into this as we speak).
Yes I saw that. There is a problem with housing. Lab has promised 200,000/year although we can see from their track record, together with exogenous (!) factors how challenging that will be for them. But they are all talking the same language of needing to increase housing starts.
As you can see, the increase over the past few years while leaving room for improvement, has certainly not been a negative for the Coalition.
I have to hand it to MalcolmG, hanging around even as the going gets tough for the nats....
Also to be fair to Mr. G., it was once possible to have a sensible conversation with him. Nowadays, he mainly just produces abuse of the type and frequency that would get other posters banned. Why he is allowed such licence I know not, but he is. However the good thing is that most of his posts are very short so he doesn't waste much of my time. I just wish that the real Mr. G. would come back to us.
Hurst, for you and other intelligent sensible posters the real Mr G is still here. I only reply in kind to the fools , comic singers and ne'er-do-wells.
''The projection for this year is for them to be down 4%, with the figures due at a very awkward time. ''
Luvvin the relish here.
18 months ago labour posters used to talk with equal relish about anticipated poor economic figures. George was wrong and Ed was so right!. The only way back to growth was huge amounts of extra spending! Hollande's the man!
House price inflation is no bad thing either? Except of course when it is under a Labour administration, in which case, it is responsible for over leveraging, and the subsequent crash.
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For those who have asked, relative to today's @yougov & @thetimes articles. We will be discussing our methodology thoughts on the #indyref
I followed you by backing Burnham to be the next Labour leader, which could prove to be a very, very long wait. But then again .......
The blues are lucky that the shadow health sec is the under-whelming Andy Burnham.
The same applies to education.
For better or worse he has to maintain Labour's blank sheet of paper on Europe.
Might annoy Len though...
This is why I feel that Balls has been such a millstone for Miliband. It is why he was right not to appoint him Shadow Chancellor at first, and why the source of Labour's weakness is that so many relatively big figures - such as David Miliband and James Purnell - simply decided to walk away, so that Miliband had no-one else to turn to when Johnson resigned.
Cameron says this will be a fantastic event. He will see some of it himself. He will do everything to promote it, apart from wearing lycra."
Sound advice - I hope Ed Balls takes the hint..!
Giving power back to the GPs - the people who know the patients. Or that was the plan until the Libdems hamstrung it.
Will we have 16 hours of headlines over his funeral? Or will it be a footnote at the bottom?
norman smith ✔ @BBCNormanS
Unite conference votes in favour of motion calling on Labour to back In Out EU referendum @unitetheunion
Is Mr. Smithson could therefore to be held to be talking through his hat, or at least through his own prejudices?
This is about taking power away from the centre and putting in the hands of the people who know what the patients want and need
The French NHS of course, always lauded as the best, is in deficit to the tune of billions of Euros.
I care about outcomes (having a vested interest in a stable and healthy society).
I don't have any time for political prejudice.
It seems that OGH believes that his political views are more important than achieving high quality education or healthcare provision for the people of this country
Fascinating, almost the same as the Tory posters, I am deeply shocked.
(Kilt wearing shepherd? The sheep know what the sound of a zip means)
And your point is?
As I recall he highlighted YouGov prompting for UKIP in their (close to the result) EU Parliament polling, which they do not do in their General Election polling.
In Cammo's case, we think there will be a referendum but he is only going through the motions.
What's most irritating for me about the EC drive to political union is the realisation that it was always the intention to do that. But the cunning plan was to pretend that it was only going to be a trading area. Once that was established, and hopefully the benefits of trade became clear, they could march on to the real objective.The Sudetenland plan, in essemce, but don't let the voters know, they might object.
And politicians wonder why they're not trusted. It's a two-way street.
Wales is a big problem for Labour, and getting bigger. Health and Education are labour's central plank policies. Cameron has indicated today how they can no longer attack on those issues.
(Kilt wearing shepherd? The sheep know what the sound of a zip means)
Have a few of those rocks fell on your napper. Trying to pretend you are Scottish is pretty infantile. I think if you try hard you will find I am almost as close to London as I am to Aberdeen you stupid turnip. What I would expect from a unionist troll.
I never (Can) watch or listen to PMQs, but I like to note who has won it...
Labour say they will not change policy on EU referendum despite @unitetheunion vote
In case of backtracking/U-turn,one to save ;-)
I notice Mick 'Chortle' Pork is conspicuous by his absence these days.
PB tories 'always wrong, never learn' was his mantra. Well, one of the more polite ones anyway.
A bottle of Bucky, and Flossie only has eyes for ewe, eh Malcolm?
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Thank you.
I like to listen to it when I can.
Ed was using one set of figures, and Dave another.
Listen to it and note that Cam was answering different questions to the ones asked.
It was the same with the figures in Ed's speech the other day, the Spectator had a look at his and Dave's data.
Possibly worth a read if you are interested in politics and betting, ignore it if you only want to score points on a board.
Many apols, I did not realise.
The tories frankly should be grateful they have Cameron and should think a dozen times before mooting any change. What he has now is experience. It's easy for any new starry eyed leader from any party to think they can do this that or the other but reality is a hard taskmaster, its silly to throw away what it teaches.
Ticks a lot of boxes - inspiration to women, breast cancer, campaign against conflict rape, lots of beautiful pictures, etc. ISIS is just a little, fresh, shall we say?
Such a move would likely see Scotland resigning all control over monetary policy and losing the Bank of England as lender of last resort, with potentially dire economic consequences.
Interest rates would be set by a foreign country, while the lack of backup support for the financial sector could trigger a banking exodus.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/10657721/Scottish-independence-Alex-Salmond-reveals-currency-Plan-B.html
http://dominiccummings.wordpress.com/2014/06/30/my-report-for-business-for-britain-on-the-dynamics-of-the-debate-over-the-eu-and-a-small-but-telling-process-point-on-the-eu/
How I long for the day when some one stands up to ask the usual sort of question, "Blah, blah, blah, so will the minister agree that blah, blah, blah" and the minister stands up, says, "No" and sits down again.
Nice line, especially when on the same page we have,
"Met Police 'deleted discrimination findings' "
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-28121073
"More than one hundred thousand Scots have entered poverty in just a single year, according to statistics showing an alarming jump in deprivation.
Some 820,000 Scots were found to be living in poverty in 2012/13 – up more than 13 per cent on the year before."
It's not fair, give the puir wee babbies more English gold.
In an independent Scotland everyone will be just as poor as everyone else. Problem solved, Utopia attained.
"I love the way Labour relabelled what is patently current spending as investment, i.e. capital spending. "
You must adore George (smoke and mirrors) Osbourne then?
Thanks for the link.
Frank Field is too old I guess, I always say Jon Cruddas but to me he seems the most down to earth option... He is quite good on the tv, has been on This Week with Portillo a few times... I think labour would do better with him in charge than any of the others
He has a senior role without the stain of office in the last govt... From wiki his views on immigration, and he will know, being the MP for Dagenham, are what labour should be saying to it's core vote
"He has also described himself as "mistaken" over his decision to vote for British participation in the 2003 invasion of Iraq and has criticised his party's record on immigration, saying that "we had too many people coming too fast", and that "immigration has been used as a 21st century incomes policy, and protections in terms of the labour market have not been substantial enough."
What was he supposed to do? This was potentially a criminal matter that could have become a prosecution and so its quite right the Home Secretary should seek to remain neutral, isn;t it?
"It's not fair, give the puir wee babbies more English gold."
You would have to give the people of the other UK nations that have been pushed into poverty, their share as well.
But as you are blind to what is happening to your country, you wouldn't think of that, would you?
You would assume that it might have required an answer rather than just, "handing it on" ,then forgetting about it?
(Your mileage may vary according to your view of child abuse)
In Wales? Maybe. But Wales itself is irrelevant. The tories are using Wales to arm themselves against attacks from labour on what is happening in England.
* I'll make sure the police look at it * is the most helpful thing he could do & I'm sure it's what the MP in question was hoping for
It's been a good day today, I managed to get several posts ignored. (I award myself double points for those)
Not really following the tennis (though I watched Bouchard beat Kerber), but I see Murray has decided to emulate the example of the Byzantine Emperor Basil II.
Basil, of course, was thrashed by Stephen the Great (an early Bulgar leader), but more than made up for the defeat by his subsequent glorious victories.
Great to see a Welshman prepared to post under his real name
Up to yourself, but "general" ignoring should never be counted on your score, only ones you make in reply to an original post.
Very true Morris, however I try to "weight" for things like that, of course, as we all know "weighting" is an imprecise science, or perhaps arcane art?
Deviation, hesitation, repetition. a bit like "Just a Minute" with equally abstract and unfair scoring.
Instant happy face.
My happiness is assured and unbounded. Get him to do one on the present projection for "house starts" for this year if you could?
Doesn't reflect well on anyone tbh and so in the same breath as saying that the Cons aren't building enough you could as easily ask why Lab didn't build any either while they were in power.
Not of course that I want to send you back to that slough of despond....
https://gov.uk/government/statistical-data-sets/live-tables-on-house-building
Interestingly, if you google "top down reorganisation" (without inverted commas) you only come up with references to the NHS and Cameron. I guess that it means what people want to it mean...
The projection for this year is for them to be down 4%, with the figures due at a very awkward time.
Expect smoke and mirrors combined with buck passing (the relevant ministers are looking into this as we speak).
As you can see, the increase over the past few years while leaving room for improvement, has certainly not been a negative for the Coalition.
Edit: Except by post in Labour constituencies
Does this count as a positive or negative for the new revamped GDP calculations?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-28112292
Luvvin the relish here.
18 months ago labour posters used to talk with equal relish about anticipated poor economic figures. George was wrong and Ed was so right!. The only way back to growth was huge amounts of extra spending! Hollande's the man!
House price inflation is no bad thing either?
Except of course when it is under a Labour administration, in which case, it is responsible for over leveraging, and the subsequent crash.