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edited July 2014 in General

politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Lord Ashcroft has not unexpected gloomy news for the LDs in the battles with LAB

The figures are what you’d expect and the seats selected for the poll are the ones where Clegg’s party is likely to struggle most so the extrapolation from the four listed paints a very bad picture

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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    edited July 2014
    First!
    So who are the Pbers travelling to ISIS controlled Syria?
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Not much enthusiasm for a Lib Lab coalition from those polled.
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    And notv many people posting on this site this evening. I guess that most stupid game, football, is taking hold of normally intelligent guys.
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,060
    I see Lord A made a passing rebuttal of OGH in his text as well....
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    OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    MikeK said:

    First!
    So who are the Pbers travelling to ISIS controlled Syria?

    Sounds like a decision not to be made before a glass or two of port.

    I'll get back to you.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Does Lord Ashcroft personally choose the seats to be polled? If so, he's making a lousy job of it.
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    Stuart_DicksonStuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557
    Angus Labour candidate resigns after Hitler Youth tweet

    Labour’s candidate for Angus in the 2015 general election has been forced to quit after tweeting a picture which seemed to compare Yes protesters to Nazis.

    Kathy Wiles put the image of Hitler Youth on Twitter after a photograph was circulated of youngsters standing under the banner of pro-independence blog site Wings Over Scotland.

    .... Ms Wiles made an online apology in response to outrage that accompanied her internet intervention, but has now resigned following high-level meetings within Scottish Labour two days after her outburst.

    ... A Scottish Labour spokesman said: “We believe that Kathy Wiles has taken the right decision to withdraw in Angus and we will move swiftly to get another candidate in place.

    “The debate about Scotland’s future should be held in a respectful and positive way and we will take robust and immediate action if any of our members fall below these standards.”

    http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/angus-labour-candidate-resigns-after-hitler-youth-tweet-1.449806
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited July 2014
    O/T:

    Nadal is 2 sets to 1 down against 19 year old Aussie Nick Kyrgios.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/tennis/28105672
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    AndyJS said:

    O/T:

    Nadal is 2 sets to 1 down against 19 year old Aussie Nick Kyrgios.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/tennis/28105672

    Nadal and Argies to go out within an hour - too much to hope for...
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,139

    Angus Labour candidate resigns after Hitler Youth tweet

    Labour’s candidate for Angus in the 2015 general election has been forced to quit after tweeting a picture which seemed to compare Yes protesters to Nazis.

    Kathy Wiles put the image of Hitler Youth on Twitter after a photograph was circulated of youngsters standing under the banner of pro-independence blog site Wings Over Scotland.

    .... Ms Wiles made an online apology in response to outrage that accompanied her internet intervention, but has now resigned following high-level meetings within Scottish Labour two days after her outburst.

    ... A Scottish Labour spokesman said: “We believe that Kathy Wiles has taken the right decision to withdraw in Angus and we will move swiftly to get another candidate in place.

    “The debate about Scotland’s future should be held in a respectful and positive way and we will take robust and immediate action if any of our members fall below these standards.”

    http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/angus-labour-candidate-resigns-after-hitler-youth-tweet-1.449806

    Just one of many, if they sacked all those spouting about "Nazi's" they would be struggling to have candidates. It was always the way of unionists, sad sacks and stupid to boot, just typical Labour MP/MSP.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 40,013

    Angus Labour candidate resigns after Hitler Youth tweet

    Labour’s candidate for Angus in the 2015 general election has been forced to quit after tweeting a picture which seemed to compare Yes protesters to Nazis.

    Kathy Wiles put the image of Hitler Youth on Twitter after a photograph was circulated of youngsters standing under the banner of pro-independence blog site Wings Over Scotland.

    .... Ms Wiles made an online apology in response to outrage that accompanied her internet intervention, but has now resigned following high-level meetings within Scottish Labour two days after her outburst.

    ... A Scottish Labour spokesman said: “We believe that Kathy Wiles has taken the right decision to withdraw in Angus and we will move swiftly to get another candidate in place.

    “The debate about Scotland’s future should be held in a respectful and positive way and we will take robust and immediate action if any of our members fall below these standards.”

    http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/angus-labour-candidate-resigns-after-hitler-youth-tweet-1.449806

    Mmm - an interesting comment from Labour. Bit of a hostage to fortune there.

    Plus they've been digging back into the lady's Twitter and Facebook files, etc., with interesting results over at Wings over Scotland (which also includes a letter from the bairns' mum; the event was the BBC bias demo in Glasgow at the weekend).
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,375
    Purely subjective impression, but I think people in London tend to be more intensely party political and less into personal voting, so I'd expect the LD->Lab swing to be greater there and less elsewhere.
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    MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792

    Angus Labour candidate resigns after Hitler Youth tweet

    Labour’s candidate for Angus in the 2015 general election has been forced to quit after tweeting a picture which seemed to compare Yes protesters to Nazis.

    Kathy Wiles put the image of Hitler Youth on Twitter after a photograph was circulated of youngsters standing under the banner of pro-independence blog site Wings Over Scotland.

    .... Ms Wiles made an online apology in response to outrage that accompanied her internet intervention, but has now resigned following high-level meetings within Scottish Labour two days after her outburst.

    ... A Scottish Labour spokesman said: “We believe that Kathy Wiles has taken the right decision to withdraw in Angus and we will move swiftly to get another candidate in place.

    “The debate about Scotland’s future should be held in a respectful and positive way and we will take robust and immediate action if any of our members fall below these standards.”

    http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/angus-labour-candidate-resigns-after-hitler-youth-tweet-1.449806

    Salmond should follow Wiles' example;

    "OPPOSITION leaders yesterday demanded Alex Salmond apologise after he compared a BBC boss to a Nazi official.

    The First Minister had lashed out after Beeb chief political adviser Ric Bailey barred him from appearing as a pundit before Saturday’s Calcutta Cup rugby match.

    Salmond said Bailey behaved like a “Gauleiter” – a Nazi Party branch leader."

    There can be no truck with this kind of inflammatory rhetoric.


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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    malcolmg said:

    Angus Labour candidate resigns after Hitler Youth tweet

    Labour’s candidate for Angus in the 2015 general election has been forced to quit after tweeting a picture which seemed to compare Yes protesters to Nazis.

    Kathy Wiles put the image of Hitler Youth on Twitter after a photograph was circulated of youngsters standing under the banner of pro-independence blog site Wings Over Scotland.

    .... Ms Wiles made an online apology in response to outrage that accompanied her internet intervention, but has now resigned following high-level meetings within Scottish Labour two days after her outburst.

    ... A Scottish Labour spokesman said: “We believe that Kathy Wiles has taken the right decision to withdraw in Angus and we will move swiftly to get another candidate in place.

    “The debate about Scotland’s future should be held in a respectful and positive way and we will take robust and immediate action if any of our members fall below these standards.”

    http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/angus-labour-candidate-resigns-after-hitler-youth-tweet-1.449806

    Just one of many, if they sacked all those spouting about "Nazi's" they would be struggling to have candidates. It was always the way of unionists, sad sacks and stupid to boot, just typical Labour MP/MSP.
    Not all Labour candidates have to resign over Nazi jibes. This one didn't and is standing in 2015...


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/election/article-1268389/Labour-candidate-performing-Nazi-salute-Cambridge-University-debate.html
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,300
    Leon Brittan urged to comment on 1980s 'paedophile dossier'

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28113517

    Will the ticking time bomb go off before the GE or not?
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    JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,215
    MikeK said:

    First!
    So who are the Pbers travelling to ISIS controlled Syria?

    I don't know about Syria but I did visit ISIS controlled Oxford over the weekend. The weather was quite sunni in the end and the food in Hall was emphatically not shi'ite.
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    SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    This could get messy for politicians of all stripes, with Mr Harris being in the news so much.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-28117542

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28113517
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Smarmeron said:

    This could get messy for politicians of all stripes, with Mr Harris being in the news so much.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-28117542

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28113517

    You hoping for a poll bounce as big as the Coulson one ?
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Nadal in serious trouble — he's been broken by Kyrgios.
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    JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    Why aren't those silly voting types not supporting Lib Dems any more??? Silly voter types.
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    SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @TGOHF

    You have lost me there........I said it "could get messy for politicians of all stripes".
    Where does a poll bounce come into it?
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    ToryJimToryJim Posts: 3,480
    AndyJS said:

    Nadal in serious trouble — he's been broken by Kyrgios.

    Good.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 40,013
    edited July 2014

    Angus Labour candidate resigns after Hitler Youth tweet

    Labour’s candidate for Angus in the 2015 general election has been forced to quit after tweeting a picture which seemed to compare Yes protesters to Nazis.

    Kathy Wiles put the image of Hitler Youth on Twitter after a photograph was circulated of youngsters standing under the banner of pro-independence blog site Wings Over Scotland.

    .... Ms Wiles made an online apology in response to outrage that accompanied her internet intervention, but has now resigned following high-level meetings within Scottish Labour two days after her outburst.

    ... A Scottish Labour spokesman said: “We believe that Kathy Wiles has taken the right decision to withdraw in Angus and we will move swiftly to get another candidate in place.

    “The debate about Scotland’s future should be held in a respectful and positive way and we will take robust and immediate action if any of our members fall below these standards.”

    http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/angus-labour-candidate-resigns-after-hitler-youth-tweet-1.449806

    Salmond should follow Wiles' example;

    "OPPOSITION leaders yesterday demanded Alex Salmond apologise after he compared a BBC boss to a Nazi official.

    The First Minister had lashed out after Beeb chief political adviser Ric Bailey barred him from appearing as a pundit before Saturday’s Calcutta Cup rugby match.

    Salmond said Bailey behaved like a “Gauleiter” – a Nazi Party branch leader."

    There can be no truck with this kind of inflammatory rhetoric.


    That was obviously in the general English [language] use of a petty tyrant - traffic wardens are often called that by certain folk. Admittedly ambiguous, but if he had called Mr Bailey a commissar ... Here's another example, quoting someone who likes to play dictator bingo.

    http://wingsoverscotland.com/pot-meet-kettle/

    Edit: I had completely forgotten about that, but it's amazing what one can do if someone with a better memory can nudge it ...
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    ToryJimToryJim Posts: 3,480
    Wow Russia really is a depressingly illiberal and restrictive nightmare.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/01/us-russia-censorship-idUSKBN0F64L920140701
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,129
    I agree with my dad on this one: Brent and Norwich South were always going to be massive and obvious Labour gains. I have no doubt Redcar will similarly swing red at the general.

    Southwark & Bermondsey: we all know Simon Hughes has been around a long time, and has a big personal vote. But will he hang on in 2015 - certainly no other LibDem could hold that seat, but will he? My money is on 'yes', but if he does, it'll be by fewer than 2,000 votes.

    Cambridge: Julian Huppert went to Trinity so I should feel naturally well disposed to him. That being said, I don't share OGH's faith that he'll hang on. I think this is a Labour gain, albeit with a below average Lib-Lab swing.

    Hornsey & Wood Green: the wards in the seat are a real mix - 1 LibDem, 3 Labour, and 7 shared between the two parties. Lynne is an incredible campaigner, and her progress in the seat preceded local election success. Most of the Conservatives I know in Highgate will vote for her at the General, so I think she *might* hold on, but it'll be within 1,500 votes either way.
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    Stuart_DicksonStuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557
    Carnyx said:

    Angus Labour candidate resigns after Hitler Youth tweet

    Labour’s candidate for Angus in the 2015 general election has been forced to quit after tweeting a picture which seemed to compare Yes protesters to Nazis.

    Kathy Wiles put the image of Hitler Youth on Twitter after a photograph was circulated of youngsters standing under the banner of pro-independence blog site Wings Over Scotland.

    .... Ms Wiles made an online apology in response to outrage that accompanied her internet intervention, but has now resigned following high-level meetings within Scottish Labour two days after her outburst.

    ... A Scottish Labour spokesman said: “We believe that Kathy Wiles has taken the right decision to withdraw in Angus and we will move swiftly to get another candidate in place.

    “The debate about Scotland’s future should be held in a respectful and positive way and we will take robust and immediate action if any of our members fall below these standards.”

    http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/angus-labour-candidate-resigns-after-hitler-youth-tweet-1.449806

    Mmm - an interesting comment from Labour. Bit of a hostage to fortune there.

    Plus they've been digging back into the lady's Twitter and Facebook files, etc., with interesting results over at Wings over Scotland (which also includes a letter from the bairns' mum; the event was the BBC bias demo in Glasgow at the weekend).
    Perhaps surprisingly, SLab are not no-hopers in Angus. They are only 16/1 at Shadsy's:

    Ladbrokes - Next UK GE - Angus

    SNP 1/10
    Con 10/1
    Lab 16/1
    100 bar

    The Wiles problem ought to lengthen that LAB price.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Smarmeron said:

    @TGOHF

    You have lost me there........I said it "could get messy for politicians of all stripes".
    Where does a poll bounce come into it?

    These guys have been out of the game for 30 years - what % of voters could even recognise them.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Nadal Out
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    JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    As ever, the Scots wait for the non-Scottish thread to talk scots - and we wonder why we're all viewed as dunces by the bubble people.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Cheerio Nadal.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 40,013

    Carnyx said:

    Angus Labour candidate resigns after Hitler Youth tweet

    Labour’s candidate for Angus in the 2015 general election has been forced to quit after tweeting a picture which seemed to compare Yes protesters to Nazis.

    Kathy Wiles put the image of Hitler Youth on Twitter after a photograph was circulated of youngsters standing under the banner of pro-independence blog site Wings Over Scotland.

    .... Ms Wiles made an online apology in response to outrage that accompanied her internet intervention, but has now resigned following high-level meetings within Scottish Labour two days after her outburst.

    ... A Scottish Labour spokesman said: “We believe that Kathy Wiles has taken the right decision to withdraw in Angus and we will move swiftly to get another candidate in place.

    “The debate about Scotland’s future should be held in a respectful and positive way and we will take robust and immediate action if any of our members fall below these standards.”

    http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/angus-labour-candidate-resigns-after-hitler-youth-tweet-1.449806

    Mmm - an interesting comment from Labour. Bit of a hostage to fortune there.

    Plus they've been digging back into the lady's Twitter and Facebook files, etc., with interesting results over at Wings over Scotland (which also includes a letter from the bairns' mum; the event was the BBC bias demo in Glasgow at the weekend).
    Perhaps surprisingly, SLab are not no-hopers in Angus. They are only 16/1 at Shadsy's:

    Ladbrokes - Next UK GE - Angus

    SNP 1/10
    Con 10/1
    Lab 16/1
    100 bar

    The Wiles problem ought to lengthen that LAB price.
    Now that is interesting. I'd have expected a better LD presence, but I'm not a local.

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    Stuart_DicksonStuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557
    Carnyx said:

    Angus Labour candidate resigns after Hitler Youth tweet

    Labour’s candidate for Angus in the 2015 general election has been forced to quit after tweeting a picture which seemed to compare Yes protesters to Nazis.

    Kathy Wiles put the image of Hitler Youth on Twitter after a photograph was circulated of youngsters standing under the banner of pro-independence blog site Wings Over Scotland.

    .... Ms Wiles made an online apology in response to outrage that accompanied her internet intervention, but has now resigned following high-level meetings within Scottish Labour two days after her outburst.

    ... A Scottish Labour spokesman said: “We believe that Kathy Wiles has taken the right decision to withdraw in Angus and we will move swiftly to get another candidate in place.

    “The debate about Scotland’s future should be held in a respectful and positive way and we will take robust and immediate action if any of our members fall below these standards.”

    http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/angus-labour-candidate-resigns-after-hitler-youth-tweet-1.449806

    Salmond should follow Wiles' example;

    "OPPOSITION leaders yesterday demanded Alex Salmond apologise after he compared a BBC boss to a Nazi official.

    The First Minister had lashed out after Beeb chief political adviser Ric Bailey barred him from appearing as a pundit before Saturday’s Calcutta Cup rugby match.

    Salmond said Bailey behaved like a “Gauleiter” – a Nazi Party branch leader."

    There can be no truck with this kind of inflammatory rhetoric.


    That was obviously in the general English [language] use of a petty tyrant - traffic wardens are often called that by certain folk. Admittedly ambiguous, but if he had called Mr Bailey a commissar ... Here's another example, quoting someone who likes to play dictator bingo.

    http://wingsoverscotland.com/pot-meet-kettle/

    Edit: I had completely forgotten about that, but it's amazing what one can do if someone with a better memory can nudge it ...
    Nothing to do with "memory". You are responding to Hal, the human-like interface for the BritNat rebuttal database.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_9000
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    SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @TGOHF

    You would like them protected then?
    It's a view I suppose. Personally I think wrong doing like that should be investigated thoroughly, in much the same way you called on the BBC too over Saville et al.
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    MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    Carnyx said:

    Angus Labour candidate resigns after Hitler Youth tweet

    Labour’s candidate for Angus in the 2015 general election has been forced to quit after tweeting a picture which seemed to compare Yes protesters to Nazis.

    Kathy Wiles put the image of Hitler Youth on Twitter after a photograph was circulated of youngsters standing under the banner of pro-independence blog site Wings Over Scotland.

    .... Ms Wiles made an online apology in response to outrage that accompanied her internet intervention, but has now resigned following high-level meetings within Scottish Labour two days after her outburst.

    ... A Scottish Labour spokesman said: “We believe that Kathy Wiles has taken the right decision to withdraw in Angus and we will move swiftly to get another candidate in place.

    “The debate about Scotland’s future should be held in a respectful and positive way and we will take robust and immediate action if any of our members fall below these standards.”

    http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/angus-labour-candidate-resigns-after-hitler-youth-tweet-1.449806

    Salmond should follow Wiles' example;

    "OPPOSITION leaders yesterday demanded Alex Salmond apologise after he compared a BBC boss to a Nazi official.

    The First Minister had lashed out after Beeb chief political adviser Ric Bailey barred him from appearing as a pundit before Saturday’s Calcutta Cup rugby match.

    Salmond said Bailey behaved like a “Gauleiter” – a Nazi Party branch leader."

    There can be no truck with this kind of inflammatory rhetoric.


    That was obviously in the general English [language] use of a petty tyrant - traffic wardens are often called that by certain folk. Admittedly ambiguous, but if he had called Mr Bailey a commissar ... Here's another example, quoting someone who likes to play dictator bingo.

    http://wingsoverscotland.com/pot-meet-kettle/

    Edit: I had completely forgotten about that, but it's amazing what one can do if someone with a better memory can nudge it ...
    Wiles is a nobody while Salmond is a prominent local politician. The standards should be higher for Salmond. I find your apologetics hypocritical.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    The bottom half of the draw opens up completely :

    Kyrgios V Ranoch and Federer V Wawrinka
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Smarmeron said:

    @TGOHF

    You would like them protected then?
    It's a view I suppose. Personally I think wrong doing like that should be investigated thoroughly, in much the same way you called on the BBC too over Saville et al.

    If found guilty they should be jailed. Won't have any impact on the GE though.
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    Stuart_DicksonStuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557
    Ladbrokes - First leader to leave?

    Nick Clegg 7/4
    Alex Salmond 9/4
    Nigel Farage 4/1
    David Cameron 5/1
    Ed Miliband 6/1
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 40,013
    JBriskin said:

    As ever, the Scots wait for the non-Scottish thread to talk scots - and we wonder why we're all viewed as dunces by the bubble people.

    'Bairn'? Sorry, must remember the Babel Fish next time. It means a child, for those who do not know. I must admit I have given up expecting my London friends to read works of literature from north of the border - for some reason they cavil at the guid Doric in particular.

    As for dunces, one presumes you mean the great philosopher John Duns, O.F.M., commonly called Scotus or Duns Scotus (c. 1266 – 8 November 1308). As Wikipedia learnedly warns, he is not to be confused with Johannes Scotus Eriugena.

    But dinner calls.

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    ToryJimToryJim Posts: 3,480
    JackW said:

    The bottom half of the draw opens up completely :

    Kyrgios V Ranoch and Federer V Wawrinka

    You have to suspect Federer is highly likely to get through that to the final.
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    jayfdeejayfdee Posts: 618
    I have been bombarded with emails,letters,phone calls about a NISA. It started with Lawson as a PEP,but reclaimed,and renamed by newlabour as an ISA,and now reclaimed by Osborne as a NISA,if Ed gets in,will it be renamed again,REALLYNEWPEP.
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    anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746

    Ladbrokes - First leader to leave?

    Nick Clegg 7/4
    Alex Salmond 9/4
    Nigel Farage 4/1
    David Cameron 5/1
    Ed Miliband 6/1

    Would Mr Salmond be likely to quit politics if the referendum is in favour of the UK?

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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,427
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Angus Labour candidate resigns after Hitler Youth tweet

    Labour’s candidate for Angus in the 2015 general election has been forced to quit after tweeting a picture which seemed to compare Yes protesters to Nazis.

    Kathy Wiles put the image of Hitler Youth on Twitter after a photograph was circulated of youngsters standing under the banner of pro-independence blog site Wings Over Scotland.

    .... Ms Wiles made an online apology in response to outrage that accompanied her internet intervention, but has now resigned following high-level meetings within Scottish Labour two days after her outburst.

    ... A Scottish Labour spokesman said: “We believe that Kathy Wiles has taken the right decision to withdraw in Angus and we will move swiftly to get another candidate in place.

    “The debate about Scotland’s future should be held in a respectful and positive way and we will take robust and immediate action if any of our members fall below these standards.”

    http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/angus-labour-candidate-resigns-after-hitler-youth-tweet-1.449806

    Mmm - an interesting comment from Labour. Bit of a hostage to fortune there.

    Plus they've been digging back into the lady's Twitter and Facebook files, etc., with interesting results over at Wings over Scotland (which also includes a letter from the bairns' mum; the event was the BBC bias demo in Glasgow at the weekend).
    Perhaps surprisingly, SLab are not no-hopers in Angus. They are only 16/1 at Shadsy's:

    Ladbrokes - Next UK GE - Angus

    SNP 1/10
    Con 10/1
    Lab 16/1
    100 bar

    The Wiles problem ought to lengthen that LAB price.
    Now that is interesting. I'd have expected a better LD presence, but I'm not a local.

    As the former secretary of the Dundee and Angus SDP and as someone who lives in Angus I can confirm it is one of their weakest areas in Scotland. I am astonished Labour is that short odds too. Most of their voters in the seat have voted SNP to keep the tories out for years.

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    SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @TGOHF

    What has the GE got to do with this?
    Take a dried frog pill and chill for a bit Harry.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 40,013

    Carnyx said:

    Angus Labour candidate resigns after Hitler Youth tweet

    Labour’s candidate for Angus in the 2015 general election has been forced to quit after tweeting a picture which seemed to compare Yes protesters to Nazis.

    Kathy Wiles put the image of Hitler Youth on Twitter after a photograph was circulated of youngsters standing under the banner of pro-independence blog site Wings Over Scotland.

    .... Ms Wiles made an online apology in response to outrage that accompanied her internet intervention, but has now resigned following high-level meetings within Scottish Labour two days after her outburst.

    ... A Scottish Labour spokesman said: “We believe that Kathy Wiles has taken the right decision to withdraw in Angus and we will move swiftly to get another candidate in place.

    “The debate about Scotland’s future should be held in a respectful and positive way and we will take robust and immediate action if any of our members fall below these standards.”

    http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/angus-labour-candidate-resigns-after-hitler-youth-tweet-1.449806

    Salmond should follow Wiles' example;

    "OPPOSITION leaders yesterday demanded Alex Salmond apologise after he compared a BBC boss to a Nazi official.

    The First Minister had lashed out after Beeb chief political adviser Ric Bailey barred him from appearing as a pundit before Saturday’s Calcutta Cup rugby match.

    Salmond said Bailey behaved like a “Gauleiter” – a Nazi Party branch leader."

    There can be no truck with this kind of inflammatory rhetoric.


    That was obviously in the general English [language] use of a petty tyrant - traffic wardens are often called that by certain folk. Admittedly ambiguous, but if he had called Mr Bailey a commissar ... Here's another example, quoting someone who likes to play dictator bingo.

    http://wingsoverscotland.com/pot-meet-kettle/

    Edit: I had completely forgotten about that, but it's amazing what one can do if someone with a better memory can nudge it ...
    Wiles is a nobody while Salmond is a prominent local politician. The standards should be higher for Salmond. I find your apologetics hypocritical.
    But Ms Wiles was abusing specific and identifiable children with very specific Nazi abuse, while Mr Salmond was reacting - with phraseology that was robust but need not have a Nazi overtone - to an offensive and insulting action by the manager in question. This was, remember, to pull the plug very publicly on an accepted invitation to come and watch/comment on rugby with the BBC sport mob - not politics at all.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    edited July 2014
    rcs1000 said:

    Hornsey & Wood Green: the wards in the seat are a real mix - 1 LibDem, 3 Labour, and 7 shared between the two parties. Lynne is an incredible campaigner, and her progress in the seat preceded local election success. Most of the Conservatives I know in Highgate will vote for her at the General, so I think she *might* hold on, but it'll be within 1,500 votes either way.

    Just before you posted that, I had decided to take Shadsy's 1/2 on Labour in Hornsey & Wood Green.

    It looks to me like basically a safe Labour seat which the LibDems have temporarily kidnapped, because of Barbara Roche (apologies for conjuring up the disagreeable recollection) and Iraq. The locals were pretty awful for the LibDems. Some of the LibDem vote has gone to the Greens and those voters might not vote Green at the GE - instead they are more likely to vote Labour.

    It's a perfect combination of metropolitan luvvies and a good mix of ethnic groups likely to vote Labour now that the Iraq stain is being forgotten and the LibDems are tainted with reality.

    Lynne may be an incredible campaigner but she's done the unforgivable: joined a government that is trying to sort out the mess.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    A point Lord A notes is that the LibDems bounce when the constituency question is asked and he believes this undercuts the lack of name recall in the questioning.

    There is some merit to this view in some seats however name recognition is extremely important in higher profile constituency polling and in the USA no Congressional poll worth a candle would operate without it.

    I'd advise Lord A to use candidate names, where possible, in his next round of individual marginal seat polling.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,427
    Finally a goal. Worst game of the world cup (or at least since England were eliminated)?
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    ToryJim said:

    JackW said:

    The bottom half of the draw opens up completely :

    Kyrgios V Ranoch and Federer V Wawrinka

    You have to suspect Federer is highly likely to get through that to the final.
    Federer is a god on grass and Edberg as coach has lifted him a notch just as his other powers wane with age ....

    Frankly any one of the four has a case for a place in the final.

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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,189
    Not bad results for the Greens either. As Anthony Wells points out 'In Norwich South they are in second place on 20%, but that was one of their target seats anyway, they are also doing well in Manchester Withington, up 8 points on 10%.' In Brighton Pavilion, the poll is neck and neck between Greens and Labour CON 18%(-6), LAB 33%(+4), LDEM 5%(-9), GREEN 32%(+1), rather than recent talk of a big Labour lead, with the publicity coming from a presence in next year's debates too Lucas could hold on
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    JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    edited July 2014
    Carnyx said:

    JBriskin said:

    As ever, the Scots wait for the non-Scottish thread to talk scots - and we wonder why we're all viewed as dunces by the bubble people.

    'Bairn'? Sorry, must remember the Babel Fish next time. It means a child, for those who do not know. I must admit I have given up expecting my London friends to read works of literature from north of the border - for some reason they cavil at the guid Doric in particular.

    As for dunces, one presumes you mean the great philosopher John Duns, O.F.M., commonly called Scotus or Duns Scotus (c. 1266 – 8 November 1308). As Wikipedia learnedly warns, he is not to be confused with Johannes Scotus Eriugena.

    But dinner calls.

    You really annoy me so much Carnyx, although, not as much as Smarmy - I was using 'scots' as an abbreviation of 'Scottish matters' - I know 'bairn' and almost all the 'Scots' words you use and - 'dunce' as in pointy hat. If there's one thing Eck has managed to prove with his silly timed indeyref is that all Scottish posters on PB are losers this year.

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    ToryJimToryJim Posts: 3,480
    JackW said:

    ToryJim said:

    JackW said:

    The bottom half of the draw opens up completely :

    Kyrgios V Ranoch and Federer V Wawrinka

    You have to suspect Federer is highly likely to get through that to the final.
    Federer is a god on grass and Edberg as coach has lifted him a notch just as his other powers wane with age ....

    Frankly any one of the four has a case for a place in the final.

    Of course, I'm hoping Mr Murray can make his way to the final but suspect it will be Djoko.
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    Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    jayfdee said:

    I have been bombarded with emails,letters,phone calls about a NISA. It started with Lawson as a PEP,but reclaimed,and renamed by newlabour as an ISA,and now reclaimed by Osborne as a NISA,if Ed gets in,will it be renamed again,REALLYNEWPEP.

    Could have sworn there was a TESSA at one stage.
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    stodgestodge Posts: 12,902
    Evening all :)

    As OGH has suggested, no real surprises in the Ashcroft polling. These are seats taken from Labour with that party enjoying one of its worst poll results since 1945. Places like Redcar, Norwich South and the like were always going to be desperately difficult to retain.

    As others have suggested, Hornsey and Wood Green was not as cataclysmic as other parts of London for the LDs in May and indeed Lynne and her activists will fight tooth and nail to survive.

    Labour smashed into Simon Hughes's constituency in May but as with Lynne it was by no means a clean sweep and the very core Wards survived so that provides a modicum of optimism that Simon can again defeat Labour.

    It's also worth remembering the Conservatives gained seven seats in London in 2010. Seats like Brentford & Isleworth, Ealing North, Harrow East and even Croydon Central would all go Labour on the local election numbers though earlier gains such as Ilford North and Romford may be Conservative holds.

    I will confidently predict a Labour hold in East Ham - haven't seen any odds from Shadsy but would imagine it would be 1/100 Labour and even that isn't a bad price.
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    MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792

    Carnyx said:

    Angus Labour candidate resigns after Hitler Youth tweet

    Labour’s candidate for Angus in the 2015 general election has been forced to quit after tweeting a picture which seemed to compare Yes protesters to Nazis.

    Kathy Wiles put the image of Hitler Youth on Twitter after a photograph was circulated of youngsters standing under the banner of pro-independence blog site Wings Over Scotland.

    .... Ms Wiles made an online apology in response to outrage that accompanied her internet intervention, but has now resigned following high-level meetings within Scottish Labour two days after her outburst.

    ... A Scottish Labour spokesman said: “We believe that Kathy Wiles has taken the right decision to withdraw in Angus and we will move swiftly to get another candidate in place.

    “The debate about Scotland’s future should be held in a respectful and positive way and we will take robust and immediate action if any of our members fall below these standards.”

    http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/angus-labour-candidate-resigns-after-hitler-youth-tweet-1.449806

    Salmond should follow Wiles' example;

    "OPPOSITION leaders yesterday demanded Alex Salmond apologise after he compared a BBC boss to a Nazi official.

    The First Minister had lashed out after Beeb chief political adviser Ric Bailey barred him from appearing as a pundit before Saturday’s Calcutta Cup rugby match.

    Salmond said Bailey behaved like a “Gauleiter” – a Nazi Party branch leader."

    There can be no truck with this kind of inflammatory rhetoric.


    That was obviously in the general English [language] use of a petty tyrant - traffic wardens are often called that by certain folk. Admittedly ambiguous, but if he had called Mr Bailey a commissar ... Here's another example, quoting someone who likes to play dictator bingo.

    http://wingsoverscotland.com/pot-meet-kettle/

    Edit: I had completely forgotten about that, but it's amazing what one can do if someone with a better memory can nudge it ...
    Nothing to do with "memory". You are responding to Hal, the human-like interface for the BritNat rebuttal database.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_9000
    No wonder the Swedish "Moderates" are collapsing if they attract embittered expats like you. Dreadful.

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    jayfdeejayfdee Posts: 618
    Ishmael_X said:

    jayfdee said:

    I have been bombarded with emails,letters,phone calls about a NISA. It started with Lawson as a PEP,but reclaimed,and renamed by newlabour as an ISA,and now reclaimed by Osborne as a NISA,if Ed gets in,will it be renamed again,REALLYNEWPEP.

    Could have sworn there was a TESSA at one stage.
    Yes correct,there was not sure of the political history.

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    Stuart_DicksonStuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557

    Ladbrokes - First leader to leave?

    Nick Clegg 7/4
    Alex Salmond 9/4
    Nigel Farage 4/1
    David Cameron 5/1
    Ed Miliband 6/1

    Would Mr Salmond be likely to quit politics if the referendum is in favour of the UK?

    No.

    http://www.sundaypost.com/news-views/politics/salmond-to-vie-for-top-job-in-2016-1.414719
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    Ishmael_X said:

    jayfdee said:

    I have been bombarded with emails,letters,phone calls about a NISA. It started with Lawson as a PEP,but reclaimed,and renamed by newlabour as an ISA,and now reclaimed by Osborne as a NISA,if Ed gets in,will it be renamed again,REALLYNEWPEP.

    Could have sworn there was a TESSA at one stage.
    I always thought NISA was a chain of convenience stores
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    jayfdeejayfdee Posts: 618
    jayfdee said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    jayfdee said:

    I have been bombarded with emails,letters,phone calls about a NISA. It started with Lawson as a PEP,but reclaimed,and renamed by newlabour as an ISA,and now reclaimed by Osborne as a NISA,if Ed gets in,will it be renamed again,REALLYNEWPEP.

    Could have sworn there was a TESSA at one stage.
    Yes correct,there was not sure of the political history.

    Yes John Major as Chancellor,in 1990.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    The Nationalists are struggling in particular to convince women voters to back independence, by 62 per cent to 38 per cent. Could this by any chance have anything to do with Alex Salmond's demeanour whenever he is asked to answer practical questions about the detail of his plans for the currency, or the economy or anything else? He must remind some women voters of a caricature Fifties husband.
    Woman: "Where are we going?"
    Salmond (smirking): "I know where we are going."
    Woman: "We're lost."
    Salmond: "Nonsense woman, we're not lost."
    Women: "Where are we then?"
    Salmond: "For crying out loud, would you stop it with your questions?"
    Women: "You clearly don't know where we are. How can you know which way to go next?"
    Salmond (smirking): "Listen. I know where we are going. Stop your negativity. Desist with your scaremongering. I know best. Right?"
    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/iainmartin1/100278340/the-nationalists-are-losing-the-independence-referendum-and-alex-salmond-needs-a-game-changer/
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,129

    rcs1000 said:

    Hornsey & Wood Green: the wards in the seat are a real mix - 1 LibDem, 3 Labour, and 7 shared between the two parties. Lynne is an incredible campaigner, and her progress in the seat preceded local election success. Most of the Conservatives I know in Highgate will vote for her at the General, so I think she *might* hold on, but it'll be within 1,500 votes either way.

    Just before you posted that, I had decided to take Shadsy's Labour at 1/2 in Hornsey & Wood Green.

    It looks to me like basically a safe Labour seat which the LibDems have temporarily kidnapped, because of Barbara Roche (apologies for conjuring up the disagreeable recollection) and Iraq. The locals were pretty awful for the LibDems. Some of the LibDem vote has gone to the Greens and those voters might not vote Green at the GE - instead they are more likely to vote Labour.

    It's a perfect combination of metropolitan luvvies and a good mix of ethnic groups likely to vote Labour now that the Iraq stain is being forgotten and the LibDems are tainted with reality.

    Lynne may be an incredible campaigner but she's done the unforgivable: joined a government that is trying to sort out the mess.
    Like many London seats, H&WG is undergoing a big demographic shift: it is gentrifying at quite a rate, and this should mean that Labour is in structural decline in the seat.

    At the west end of the constituency is Highgate - which is one of the richest parts of the country, with no shortage of £5m houses. Then there is a large chunk of gentrifying areas - Alexandra Palace feels very like Twickenham demographically, and Gospel Oak is also very much on the up-and-up. Of course, at the far eastern end of the constituency, it is Labour heartland. But the gentrifying bits are full of Conservative supporters who may vote tactically.

    I'd take the other end of the 1-2 on Labour if you want.
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    Stuart_DicksonStuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557
    Why does Shadsy bother?

    Barnsley East LAB 1/100
    Brent North LAB 1/100
    Coventry North West LAB 1/100
    Doncaster Central LAB 1/100
    Hemsworth LAB 1/100
    Hull West and Hessle LAB 1/100
    Leeds Central LAB 1/100
    Leeds East LAB 1/100
    Leeds West LAB 1/100
    Lewisham East LAB 1/100
    Leyton and Wanstead LAB 1/100
    Normanton, Pontefract and Castleford LAB 1/100
    Sheffield Heely LAB 1/100
    Sheffield South East LAB 1/100
    Warrington North LAB 1/100
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    AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815

    Why does Shadsy bother?

    Barnsley East LAB 1/100
    Brent North LAB 1/100
    Coventry North West LAB 1/100
    Doncaster Central LAB 1/100
    Hemsworth LAB 1/100
    Hull West and Hessle LAB 1/100
    Leeds Central LAB 1/100
    Leeds East LAB 1/100
    Leeds West LAB 1/100
    Lewisham East LAB 1/100
    Leyton and Wanstead LAB 1/100
    Normanton, Pontefract and Castleford LAB 1/100
    Sheffield Heely LAB 1/100
    Sheffield South East LAB 1/100
    Warrington North LAB 1/100

    Ed Miliband.

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    JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    Labour Press Team ‏@labourpress · 3m
    Say it ain't so? Scourge of the political establishment Guido Fawkes reportedly a guest at the exclusive Tory donor ball. Kept that quiet.

    What next? Smithson has Lib Dem sympathies shocker???
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,375
    Do non-Labour people feel any concern about this sort of thing?

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jul/01/-sp-tory-summer-party-drew-super-rich-supporters-with-total-wealth-of-11bn

    I don't personally think much can be done about donations, but I'd like to see much tighter spending limits, to limit the perceived need on all sides to attract donors of all kinds.
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    stodgestodge Posts: 12,902
    AveryLP said:

    Why does Shadsy bother?

    Barnsley East LAB 1/100
    Brent North LAB 1/100
    Coventry North West LAB 1/100
    Doncaster Central LAB 1/100
    Hemsworth LAB 1/100
    Hull West and Hessle LAB 1/100
    Leeds Central LAB 1/100
    Leeds East LAB 1/100
    Leeds West LAB 1/100
    Lewisham East LAB 1/100
    Leyton and Wanstead LAB 1/100
    Normanton, Pontefract and Castleford LAB 1/100
    Sheffield Heely LAB 1/100
    Sheffield South East LAB 1/100
    Warrington North LAB 1/100

    Ed Miliband.

    Is there a single seat on that list where you will be backing the Conservatives to win ? How many of the 250 or so Labour seats do you envisage the Tories winning next May - 50, 100 perhaps ?
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    edited July 2014

    Do non-Labour people feel any concern about this sort of thing?

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jul/01/-sp-tory-summer-party-drew-super-rich-supporters-with-total-wealth-of-11bn

    I don't personally think much can be done about donations, but I'd like to see much tighter spending limits, to limit the perceived need on all sides to attract donors of all kinds.

    Err No Mr Palmer, most people are pissed off at UNITE's 11/12 million to Ed..

    Your concern isn't about raising money, its about the Tories outdoing Labour.. terribly transparent too.

    Did ED have a summer party to get his hands on the £11/12 million , or was it just beer and sandwiches?

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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    Do non-Labour people feel any concern about this sort of thing?

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jul/01/-sp-tory-summer-party-drew-super-rich-supporters-with-total-wealth-of-11bn

    I don't personally think much can be done about donations, but I'd like to see much tighter spending limits, to limit the perceived need on all sides to attract donors of all kinds.

    Not as nauseating as six figure salary Len Mclusky urging low paid workers out on strike to further his Labour agenda.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    Do non-Labour people feel any concern about this sort of thing?

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jul/01/-sp-tory-summer-party-drew-super-rich-supporters-with-total-wealth-of-11bn

    I don't personally think much can be done about donations, but I'd like to see much tighter spending limits, to limit the perceived need on all sides to attract donors of all kinds.

    Yes, I find the inherited wealth of Tory supporters rather nauseating.
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    Stuart_DicksonStuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557
    Huh?

    Baxter: Berwickshire, Roxburgh and Selkirk CON 61.9%
    Shadsy: Berwickshire, Roxburgh and Selkirk CON 11/10

    Baxter: Caithness Sutherland and Easter Ross SNP 45.7%
    Shadsy: Caithness Sutherland and Easter Ross SNP 6/1

    Baxter: Edinburgh West CON 33.9%
    Shadsy: Edinburgh West CON 16/1

    Baxter: West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine CON 55.5%
    Shadsy: West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine CON 6/4

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    Do non-Labour people feel any concern about this sort of thing?

    did you have any concern about Tony Blair and Peter Mandelson et al courting the super rich?

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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    edited July 2014
    AndyJS said:

    Do non-Labour people feel any concern about this sort of thing?

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jul/01/-sp-tory-summer-party-drew-super-rich-supporters-with-total-wealth-of-11bn

    I don't personally think much can be done about donations, but I'd like to see much tighter spending limits, to limit the perceived need on all sides to attract donors of all kinds.

    Yes, I find the inherited wealth of Tory supporters rather nauseating.

    So inherited wealth of Labour supporters is ok is it.. you did say TORY supporters. You are just jealous. If you had money left to you by your family, I doubt you would find it "nauseating". Your jealousy is sickening.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    AndyJS said:

    Do non-Labour people feel any concern about this sort of thing?

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jul/01/-sp-tory-summer-party-drew-super-rich-supporters-with-total-wealth-of-11bn

    I don't personally think much can be done about donations, but I'd like to see much tighter spending limits, to limit the perceived need on all sides to attract donors of all kinds.

    Yes, I find the inherited wealth of Tory supporters rather nauseating.
    Envy is a dreadful condition.
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    Do non-Labour people feel any concern about this sort of thing?

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jul/01/-sp-tory-summer-party-drew-super-rich-supporters-with-total-wealth-of-11bn

    I don't personally think much can be done about donations, but I'd like to see much tighter spending limits, to limit the perceived need on all sides to attract donors of all kinds.

    It's always fantastic to see people standing against the evil of socialism.

    Restores my faith in (a certain percentage of) humanity.

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    JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380

    Do non-Labour people feel any concern about this sort of thing?

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jul/01/-sp-tory-summer-party-drew-super-rich-supporters-with-total-wealth-of-11bn

    I don't personally think much can be done about donations, but I'd like to see much tighter spending limits, to limit the perceived need on all sides to attract donors of all kinds.

    Rich People Support Tories Shocker!!!

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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    On BBC4 tonight at 9:

    "Rebels Of Oz: Germaine, Clive, Barry and Bob

    Robert Hughes is dead, Clive James is dying, Barry Humphries is on his farewell tour with Dame Edna and Sir Les, and Germaine Greer is still upsetting the proverbial applecart. Now is the opportune moment to reflect on the titanic impact these four Australians made in the cultural milieu of London and New York. With this in his sights, author and unashamed Australia admirer Howard Jacobson, a Man Booker Prize winner who has met all four, sets out on a journey of discovery into how these pugnacious 'Wizards of Oz' left the backwater of Australia and became towering forces in the cultural epicentres of London and New York."


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0486smr
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    JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    Football 1 - Eastenders 0
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    Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664

    Do non-Labour people feel any concern about this sort of thing?

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jul/01/-sp-tory-summer-party-drew-super-rich-supporters-with-total-wealth-of-11bn

    I don't personally think much can be done about donations, but I'd like to see much tighter spending limits, to limit the perceived need on all sides to attract donors of all kinds.

    "The 449 attendees at last year’s Thameside event on 24 June had a combined wealth in excess of £11bn". So less between the lot of them than the two Hinduja brothers.

    Your point presumably is that standards are falling: Mandelson wouldn't have got out of bed for this sort of impoverished riffraff?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,010
    AveryLP said:

    Why does Shadsy bother?

    Barnsley East LAB 1/100
    Brent North LAB 1/100
    Coventry North West LAB 1/100
    Doncaster Central LAB 1/100
    Hemsworth LAB 1/100
    Hull West and Hessle LAB 1/100
    Leeds Central LAB 1/100
    Leeds East LAB 1/100
    Leeds West LAB 1/100
    Lewisham East LAB 1/100
    Leyton and Wanstead LAB 1/100
    Normanton, Pontefract and Castleford LAB 1/100
    Sheffield Heely LAB 1/100
    Sheffield South East LAB 1/100
    Warrington North LAB 1/100

    Ed Miliband.

    Backing all those at 1-100 is a terrible idea lol.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 40,013
    JBriskin said:

    Carnyx said:

    JBriskin said:

    As ever, the Scots wait for the non-Scottish thread to talk scots - and we wonder why we're all viewed as dunces by the bubble people.

    'Bairn'? Sorry, must remember the Babel Fish next time. It means a child, for those who do not know. I must admit I have given up expecting my London friends to read works of literature from north of the border - for some reason they cavil at the guid Doric in particular.

    As for dunces, one presumes you mean the great philosopher John Duns, O.F.M., commonly called Scotus or Duns Scotus (c. 1266 – 8 November 1308). As Wikipedia learnedly warns, he is not to be confused with Johannes Scotus Eriugena.

    But dinner calls.

    You really annoy me so much Carnyx, although, not as much as Smarmy - I was using 'scots' as an abbreviation of 'Scottish matters' - I know 'bairn' and almost all the 'Scots' words you use and - 'dunce' as in pointy hat. If there's one thing Eck has managed to prove with his silly timed indeyref is that all Scottish posters on PB are losers this year.

    Sorry - you did say 'scots' or Scots which is the Scottish language. So I was genuinely puzzled as I couldn't think what I had been saying that was difficult. Anyway problem solved and apologies for any inadvertent upset.

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    Paul_Mid_BedsPaul_Mid_Beds Posts: 1,409
    ToryJim said:

    Wow Russia really is a depressingly illiberal and restrictive nightmare.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/01/us-russia-censorship-idUSKBN0F64L920140701

    So Russia have banned obscentities from Television, flms and in theatres and books full of swearing will have to be sold in plain packages with obscenity warnings.

    Good for Russia.

    Perhaps if people had listened to Mary Whitehouse in the 1960s and 1970s instead of deriding her when she objected to the unbanning of such obscenities in the UK, which started with the passing of the 1959 obscene publications act introduced by the dreaded Roy Jenkins (and passed under a Tory government), several hundred children would not have been the victims of certain celebrities.
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,375

    Do non-Labour people feel any concern about this sort of thing?

    did you have any concern about Tony Blair and Peter Mandelson et al courting the super rich?

    Yes. I'm not especially bothered by people having lots of money or indeed wanting to donate it to a party instead of spending it on riotous living. And in the current situation we all need to raise what we can. My question was deliberately non-specific - includes companies, millionaires, lobbyists, unions, whatever. How far do we want to go down the American path where you often need to be or know a millionaire to stand?

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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,427
    edited July 2014

    Huh?

    Baxter: Berwickshire, Roxburgh and Selkirk CON 61.9%
    Shadsy: Berwickshire, Roxburgh and Selkirk CON 11/10

    Baxter: Caithness Sutherland and Easter Ross SNP 45.7%
    Shadsy: Caithness Sutherland and Easter Ross SNP 6/1

    Baxter: Edinburgh West CON 33.9%
    Shadsy: Edinburgh West CON 16/1

    Baxter: West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine CON 55.5%
    Shadsy: West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine CON 6/4

    What is confusing you? Even as a supporter I have to concede that Scottish Conservatives have flattered to deceive for nearly 20 years now so a bit of generosity is called for. If they take Berwickshire and Kincardine it will probably be a result of the seats falling into their hands by the collapse of the incumbents rather than any great jump forward.

    In light of that a seat where they have non Lib Dem competition such as Edinburgh West it is difficult to be optimistic. The SNP price in Caithness does look quite tasty but much will depend on what happens in September and how they react to it.

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    perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    jayfdee said:

    I have been bombarded with emails,letters,phone calls about a NISA. It started with Lawson as a PEP,but reclaimed,and renamed by newlabour as an ISA,and now reclaimed by Osborne as a NISA,if Ed gets in,will it be renamed again,REALLYNEWPEP.

    NISA is the name of a chain of budget convenience stores.

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    dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    ToryJim said:

    Wow Russia really is a depressingly illiberal and restrictive nightmare.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/01/us-russia-censorship-idUSKBN0F64L920140701

    So Russia have banned obscentities from Television, flms and in theatres and books full of swearing will have to be sold in plain packages with obscenity warnings.

    Good for Russia.

    Perhaps if people had listened to Mary Whitehouse in the 1960s and 1970s instead of deriding her when she objected to the unbanning of such obscenities in the UK, which started with the passing of the 1959 obscene publications act introduced by the dreaded Roy Jenkins (and passed under a Tory government), several hundred children would not have been the victims of certain celebrities.
    Swearing leads to child abuse? Hmmmmmmmm, that's a bit of a stretch.
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    JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    Carnyx said:

    JBriskin said:

    Carnyx said:

    JBriskin said:

    As ever, the Scots wait for the non-Scottish thread to talk scots - and we wonder why we're all viewed as dunces by the bubble people.

    'Bairn'? Sorry, must remember the Babel Fish next time. It means a child, for those who do not know. I must admit I have given up expecting my London friends to read works of literature from north of the border - for some reason they cavil at the guid Doric in particular.

    As for dunces, one presumes you mean the great philosopher John Duns, O.F.M., commonly called Scotus or Duns Scotus (c. 1266 – 8 November 1308). As Wikipedia learnedly warns, he is not to be confused with Johannes Scotus Eriugena.

    But dinner calls.

    You really annoy me so much Carnyx, although, not as much as Smarmy - I was using 'scots' as an abbreviation of 'Scottish matters' - I know 'bairn' and almost all the 'Scots' words you use and - 'dunce' as in pointy hat. If there's one thing Eck has managed to prove with his silly timed indeyref is that all Scottish posters on PB are losers this year.

    Sorry - you did say 'scots' or Scots which is the Scottish language. So I was genuinely puzzled as I couldn't think what I had been saying that was difficult. Anyway problem solved and apologies for any inadvertent upset.

    Yeah, the reason for the confusion was obvious - but the correct way didn't scan very well for me. Anyway, I wasn't having a go at you specifically - I was having a go at all Scottish PBers - we're all dunces.

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    dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    Do non-Labour people feel any concern about this sort of thing?

    did you have any concern about Tony Blair and Peter Mandelson et al courting the super rich?

    Yes. I'm not especially bothered by people having lots of money or indeed wanting to donate it to a party instead of spending it on riotous living. And in the current situation we all need to raise what we can. My question was deliberately non-specific - includes companies, millionaires, lobbyists, unions, whatever. How far do we want to go down the American path where you often need to be or know a millionaire to stand?

    We certainly don't want to permanently fund the current parties from public money. No party has a state sponsored right to exist.
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    Paul_Mid_BedsPaul_Mid_Beds Posts: 1,409
    AveryLP said:

    Why does Shadsy bother?

    Barnsley East LAB 1/100
    Brent North LAB 1/100
    Coventry North West LAB 1/100
    Doncaster Central LAB 1/100
    Hemsworth LAB 1/100
    Hull West and Hessle LAB 1/100
    Leeds Central LAB 1/100
    Leeds East LAB 1/100
    Leeds West LAB 1/100
    Lewisham East LAB 1/100
    Leyton and Wanstead LAB 1/100
    Normanton, Pontefract and Castleford LAB 1/100
    Sheffield Heely LAB 1/100
    Sheffield South East LAB 1/100
    Warrington North LAB 1/100

    Ed Miliband.

    1/100 on Labour winning is not very generous for Doncaster Central, given that Rosie Winterton only had a majority of 6,200 over the Tories in 2010 and UKIP won the popular vote in the Euros in Doncaster in 2014. If he offers 100/1 on UKIP winning I think I would be up for a fiver....
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    Paul_Mid_BedsPaul_Mid_Beds Posts: 1,409

    ToryJim said:

    Wow Russia really is a depressingly illiberal and restrictive nightmare.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/01/us-russia-censorship-idUSKBN0F64L920140701

    So Russia have banned obscentities from Television, flms and in theatres and books full of swearing will have to be sold in plain packages with obscenity warnings.

    Good for Russia.

    Perhaps if people had listened to Mary Whitehouse in the 1960s and 1970s instead of deriding her when she objected to the unbanning of such obscenities in the UK, which started with the passing of the 1959 obscene publications act introduced by the dreaded Roy Jenkins (and passed under a Tory government), several hundred children would not have been the victims of certain celebrities.
    Swearing leads to child abuse? Hmmmmmmmm, that's a bit of a stretch.
    You've not heard of the Broken Windows theory?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,129

    ToryJim said:

    Wow Russia really is a depressingly illiberal and restrictive nightmare.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/01/us-russia-censorship-idUSKBN0F64L920140701

    So Russia have banned obscentities from Television, flms and in theatres and books full of swearing will have to be sold in plain packages with obscenity warnings.

    Good for Russia.

    Perhaps if people had listened to Mary Whitehouse in the 1960s and 1970s instead of deriding her when she objected to the unbanning of such obscenities in the UK, which started with the passing of the 1959 obscene publications act introduced by the dreaded Roy Jenkins (and passed under a Tory government), several hundred children would not have been the victims of certain celebrities.
    Swearing leads to child abuse? Hmmmmmmmm, that's a bit of a stretch.
    @Paul_Mid_Beds believes in the Christian version of the celiphate. He's under the deluded impression that Nigel Farage is a Christian night in armour, rather than a hard drinking, chain smoking libertarian.

    Like many of Obama's more deluded admirers, he's chosen to project an image of what he'd like Farage and UKIP to be. His chance of not being disappointed is very small.
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    Paul_Mid_BedsPaul_Mid_Beds Posts: 1,409
    edited July 2014
    rcs1000 said:

    ToryJim said:

    Wow Russia really is a depressingly illiberal and restrictive nightmare.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/01/us-russia-censorship-idUSKBN0F64L920140701

    So Russia have banned obscentities from Television, flms and in theatres and books full of swearing will have to be sold in plain packages with obscenity warnings.

    Good for Russia.

    Perhaps if people had listened to Mary Whitehouse in the 1960s and 1970s instead of deriding her when she objected to the unbanning of such obscenities in the UK, which started with the passing of the 1959 obscene publications act introduced by the dreaded Roy Jenkins (and passed under a Tory government), several hundred children would not have been the victims of certain celebrities.
    Swearing leads to child abuse? Hmmmmmmmm, that's a bit of a stretch.
    @Paul_Mid_Beds believes in the Christian version of the celiphate. He's under the deluded impression that Nigel Farage is a Christian night in armour, rather than a hard drinking, chain smoking libertarian.

    Like many of Obama's more deluded admirers, he's chosen to project an image of what he'd like Farage and UKIP to be. His chance of not being disappointed is very small.
    lol:-) Suggesting that the laws in the UK prior to the social reforms in the 1960s amounted to a Christian Caliphate is pushing it a bit.
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    JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    Fun Bet Post

    Me and Ms Briskin are on USA - we've been trying to work out a word for a USAphile but can't work out one?? Serious question - we want to know what the correct term is. e.g Americanophile sounds like we like coffee.
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    dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    ToryJim said:

    Wow Russia really is a depressingly illiberal and restrictive nightmare.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/01/us-russia-censorship-idUSKBN0F64L920140701

    So Russia have banned obscentities from Television, flms and in theatres and books full of swearing will have to be sold in plain packages with obscenity warnings.

    Good for Russia.

    Perhaps if people had listened to Mary Whitehouse in the 1960s and 1970s instead of deriding her when she objected to the unbanning of such obscenities in the UK, which started with the passing of the 1959 obscene publications act introduced by the dreaded Roy Jenkins (and passed under a Tory government), several hundred children would not have been the victims of certain celebrities.
    Swearing leads to child abuse? Hmmmmmmmm, that's a bit of a stretch.
    You've not heard of the Broken Windows theory?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory
    Like most theories, it's crap.
    Swearing is cathartic. Censorship isn't.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,908
    JBriskin said:

    Fun Bet Post

    Me and Ms Briskin are on USA - we've been trying to work out a word for a USAphile but can't work out one?? Serious question - we want to know what the correct term is. e.g Americanophile sounds like we like coffee.

    A statesman I will get my coat
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,427

    ToryJim said:

    Wow Russia really is a depressingly illiberal and restrictive nightmare.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/01/us-russia-censorship-idUSKBN0F64L920140701

    So Russia have banned obscentities from Television, flms and in theatres and books full of swearing will have to be sold in plain packages with obscenity warnings.

    Good for Russia.

    Perhaps if people had listened to Mary Whitehouse in the 1960s and 1970s instead of deriding her when she objected to the unbanning of such obscenities in the UK, which started with the passing of the 1959 obscene publications act introduced by the dreaded Roy Jenkins (and passed under a Tory government), several hundred children would not have been the victims of certain celebrities.
    Seriously?



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    AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited July 2014
    @stodge
    Is there a single seat on that list where you will be backing the Conservatives to win?

    No.

    But then I don't believe inherited wealth should be put at risk in the gambling markets.

    Much better to use it to fund the Conservative Party's wine cellar.

    How many of the 250 or so Labour seats do you envisage the Tories winning next May - 50, 100 perhaps ?

    All depends how long the Labour party are prepared to tolerate Ed Miliband as leader.

    His capacity to self-destruct and bring down his party's electoral chances is limitless.

    Even Bootle isn't safe under his leadership.
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    Do non-Labour people feel any concern about this sort of thing?

    did you have any concern about Tony Blair and Peter Mandelson et al courting the super rich?

    Yes. I'm not especially bothered by people having lots of money or indeed wanting to donate it to a party instead of spending it on riotous living. And in the current situation we all need to raise what we can. My question was deliberately non-specific - includes companies, millionaires, lobbyists, unions, whatever. How far do we want to go down the American path where you often need to be or know a millionaire to stand?

    Why offer "the American path" as if that is the only possible alternative?

    Your thinking here mirrors a popular but lazy and ignorant view that there are only two models of healthcare in the world - the (crappy) NHS and (crappy) Obamacare.

    In both cases there are plenty of other models out there to cherry-pick from. Except the grim horror of state-funding ... as dyedwoolie quite rightly also recoils from.

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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,427
    This is a better match than the first already. The Belgians look up for this at last.
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    Paul_Mid_BedsPaul_Mid_Beds Posts: 1,409

    ToryJim said:

    Wow Russia really is a depressingly illiberal and restrictive nightmare.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/01/us-russia-censorship-idUSKBN0F64L920140701

    So Russia have banned obscentities from Television, flms and in theatres and books full of swearing will have to be sold in plain packages with obscenity warnings.

    Good for Russia.

    Perhaps if people had listened to Mary Whitehouse in the 1960s and 1970s instead of deriding her when she objected to the unbanning of such obscenities in the UK, which started with the passing of the 1959 obscene publications act introduced by the dreaded Roy Jenkins (and passed under a Tory government), several hundred children would not have been the victims of certain celebrities.
    Swearing leads to child abuse? Hmmmmmmmm, that's a bit of a stretch.
    You've not heard of the Broken Windows theory?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory
    Like most theories, it's crap.
    Swearing is cathartic. Censorship isn't.
    While in the UK sexual obscenities such as C and F are accepted in the media, even mild racial obscenities, let alone the stronger ones are censored ruthlessly with people being prosecuted for saying them let alone on television.

    I have no objection to the west censoring racial obscenities, however for the west to denounce Russia for censoring sexual obscenities in the media when we prosecute and imprison people for uttering racial obscenities in the street or trams let alone in the media is hypocritical.

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    AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    rcs1000 said:

    ToryJim said:

    Wow Russia really is a depressingly illiberal and restrictive nightmare.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/01/us-russia-censorship-idUSKBN0F64L920140701

    So Russia have banned obscentities from Television, flms and in theatres and books full of swearing will have to be sold in plain packages with obscenity warnings.

    Good for Russia.

    Perhaps if people had listened to Mary Whitehouse in the 1960s and 1970s instead of deriding her when she objected to the unbanning of such obscenities in the UK, which started with the passing of the 1959 obscene publications act introduced by the dreaded Roy Jenkins (and passed under a Tory government), several hundred children would not have been the victims of certain celebrities.
    Swearing leads to child abuse? Hmmmmmmmm, that's a bit of a stretch.
    @Paul_Mid_Beds believes in the Christian version of the celiphate. He's under the deluded impression that Nigel Farage is a Christian night in armour, rather than a hard drinking, chain smoking libertarian.

    Like many of Obama's more deluded admirers, he's chosen to project an image of what he'd like Farage and UKIP to be. His chance of not being disappointed is very small.
    A "knight in armour" or a "night in amour".

    My money is on the latter.

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