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Swanwick on Amber Valley (Conservative WIN in 2010)
Result of council at last election (2014): Labour 24, Conservatives 21 (Labour overall majority of 3)
Result of ward at last election (2010): Conservative 1,610 (50%), Labour 983 (31%), Liberal Democrats 599 (19%) Conservative majority of 627 (19%)
Candidates duly nominated:

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  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Good evening, everyone.

    Cheers, Mr. Hayfield.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Yougov anyone ?
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    Thurday's by-election thread steals up on us unexpectedly putting an end to Osborne's short-lived aspirations to become Prime Minister.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,376
    surbiton said:

    Yougov anyone ?

    In one hour. Will Lab go +40%?
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    @Mr Jones

    "The ONS said the UK population had increased by about five million since 2001"

    And the infrastructure hasn't been increased at all so it's hard to see how the political class can say there's been no negative consequences with a straight face (unless they're a pack of blank blanks of course in which case they could say anything with a straight face).
    --------------------------

    We got at least a couple of million taxpayers to fund our ever growing elderly population.

    The Tories crow about the highest levels of employment in history. The increase are the immigrants , you know.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    GIN1138 said:

    surbiton said:

    Yougov anyone ?

    In one hour. Will Lab go +40%?
    I don't think so. Why ?
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Yougov anyone ?

    You gov if you want to.

    The lady's not for govving.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,030
    taffys said:

    Yougov anyone ?

    You gov if you want to.

    The lady's not for govving.

    I was thinking that when I saw surb's post!
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    surbiton said:

    GIN1138 said:

    surbiton said:

    Yougov anyone ?

    In one hour. Will Lab go +40%?
    I don't think so. Why ?
    Pmqs - Ed showed his inner Suarez.
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    surbiton said:

    @Mr Jones

    "The ONS said the UK population had increased by about five million since 2001"

    And the infrastructure hasn't been increased at all so it's hard to see how the political class can say there's been no negative consequences with a straight face (unless they're a pack of blank blanks of course in which case they could say anything with a straight face).
    --------------------------

    We got at least a couple of million taxpayers to fund our ever growing elderly population.

    The Tories crow about the highest levels of employment in history. The increase are the immigrants , you know.

    Joke
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    MrJones said:

    surbiton said:

    @Mr Jones

    "The ONS said the UK population had increased by about five million since 2001"

    And the infrastructure hasn't been increased at all so it's hard to see how the political class can say there's been no negative consequences with a straight face (unless they're a pack of blank blanks of course in which case they could say anything with a straight face).
    --------------------------

    We got at least a couple of million taxpayers to fund our ever growing elderly population.

    The Tories crow about the highest levels of employment in history. The increase are the immigrants , you know.

    Joke
    9 out of 10 new jobs went to people from Overseas. Wasn't Migration Watch saying that. Were they joking ?
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    surbiton said:

    @Mr Jones

    "The ONS said the UK population had increased by about five million since 2001"

    And the infrastructure hasn't been increased at all so it's hard to see how the political class can say there's been no negative consequences with a straight face (unless they're a pack of blank blanks of course in which case they could say anything with a straight face).
    --------------------------

    We got at least a couple of million taxpayers to fund our ever growing elderly population.

    The Tories crow about the highest levels of employment in history. The increase are the immigrants , you know.

    Absurby, as always.

    From the June 2014 ONS Labour Market Statistics bulletin;

    Looking at the estimates by nationality, between January to March 2013 and January to March 2014:

    • the number of UK nationals working in the UK increased by 563,000 to reach 27.57 million, and

    • the number of non-UK nationals working in the UK increased by 178,000 to reach 2.77 million.

    The number of people in work who were non-UK born is higher than those who were non-UK nationals as some people born abroad are UK nationals. For January to March 2014, 4.55 million people in work were born abroad, 1.78 million higher than the number of non-UK nationals in work. Looking at the estimates by country of birth, between January to March 2013 and January to March 2014:

    • the number of UK born people working in the UK increased by 447,000 to reach 25.77 million, and

    • the number of non-UK born people working in the UK increased by 292,000 to reach 4.55 million.


    Sharpen your teeth, Surby!
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    AveryLP said:

    surbiton said:

    @Mr Jones

    "The ONS said the UK population had increased by about five million since 2001"

    And the infrastructure hasn't been increased at all so it's hard to see how the political class can say there's been no negative consequences with a straight face (unless they're a pack of blank blanks of course in which case they could say anything with a straight face).
    --------------------------

    We got at least a couple of million taxpayers to fund our ever growing elderly population.

    The Tories crow about the highest levels of employment in history. The increase are the immigrants , you know.

    Absurby, as always.

    From the June 2014 ONS Labour Market Statistics bulletin;

    Looking at the estimates by nationality, between January to March 2013 and January to March 2014:

    • the number of UK nationals working in the UK increased by 563,000 to reach 27.57 million, and

    • the number of non-UK nationals working in the UK increased by 178,000 to reach 2.77 million.

    The number of people in work who were non-UK born is higher than those who were non-UK nationals as some people born abroad are UK nationals. For January to March 2014, 4.55 million people in work were born abroad, 1.78 million higher than the number of non-UK nationals in work. Looking at the estimates by country of birth, between January to March 2013 and January to March 2014:

    • the number of UK born people working in the UK increased by 447,000 to reach 25.77 million, and

    • the number of non-UK born people working in the UK increased by 292,000 to reach 4.55 million.


    Sharpen your teeth, Surby!
    You made my point. People from abroad are working hard and paying taxes.
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    surbiton said:

    MrJones said:

    surbiton said:

    @Mr Jones

    "The ONS said the UK population had increased by about five million since 2001"

    And the infrastructure hasn't been increased at all so it's hard to see how the political class can say there's been no negative consequences with a straight face (unless they're a pack of blank blanks of course in which case they could say anything with a straight face).
    --------------------------

    We got at least a couple of million taxpayers to fund our ever growing elderly population.

    The Tories crow about the highest levels of employment in history. The increase are the immigrants , you know.

    Joke
    9 out of 10 new jobs went to people from Overseas. Wasn't Migration Watch saying that. Were they joking ?
    I'm not in the mood to argue with this nonsense.

    The negative consequences of unlimited mass immigration which the media and political class have been lying about for 14 years started off small and concentrated in a few areas. 14 years and millions of people later that is increasingly not the case.

    In a nutshell, the political class need new lies.

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    F1: standing starts after a safety car to come in from 2015.
    http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2014/06/26/the-world-council-meets/

    Is this the rule now? We get one bloody stupid rule every year? This year: double points in Abu Dhabi. Next year: a needless change to decrease safety. Because if there's one thing a sport that involves moving at 200mph needs, it's less safety.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,030
    surbiton said:

    MrJones said:

    surbiton said:

    @Mr Jones

    "The ONS said the UK population had increased by about five million since 2001"

    And the infrastructure hasn't been increased at all so it's hard to see how the political class can say there's been no negative consequences with a straight face (unless they're a pack of blank blanks of course in which case they could say anything with a straight face).
    --------------------------

    We got at least a couple of million taxpayers to fund our ever growing elderly population.

    The Tories crow about the highest levels of employment in history. The increase are the immigrants , you know.

    Joke
    9 out of 10 new jobs went to people from Overseas. Wasn't Migration Watch saying that. Were they joking ?
    Avery's number would suggest 1 in 4?
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    MrJones said:

    surbiton said:

    MrJones said:

    surbiton said:

    @Mr Jones

    "The ONS said the UK population had increased by about five million since 2001"

    And the infrastructure hasn't been increased at all so it's hard to see how the political class can say there's been no negative consequences with a straight face (unless they're a pack of blank blanks of course in which case they could say anything with a straight face).
    --------------------------

    We got at least a couple of million taxpayers to fund our ever growing elderly population.

    The Tories crow about the highest levels of employment in history. The increase are the immigrants , you know.

    Joke
    9 out of 10 new jobs went to people from Overseas. Wasn't Migration Watch saying that. Were they joking ?
    I'm not in the mood to argue with this nonsense.

    The negative consequences of unlimited mass immigration which the media and political class have been lying about for 14 years started off small and concentrated in a few areas. 14 years and millions of people later that is increasingly not the case.

    In a nutshell, the political class need new lies.

    http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefingPaper/document/250

    "Since 2000, employment of non-UK born workers aged 16 and over has increased by 2.2 million to over 4.3 million. Yet in this same period, employment of UK born workers has increased by just 574,000"
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    surbiton said:


    MrJones said:

    surbiton said:

    MrJones said:

    surbiton said:

    @Mr Jones

    "The ONS said the UK population had increased by about five million since 2001"

    And the infrastructure hasn't been increased at all so it's hard to see how the political class can say there's been no negative consequences with a straight face (unless they're a pack of blank blanks of course in which case they could say anything with a straight face).
    --------------------------

    We got at least a couple of million taxpayers to fund our ever growing elderly population.

    The Tories crow about the highest levels of employment in history. The increase are the immigrants , you know.

    Joke
    9 out of 10 new jobs went to people from Overseas. Wasn't Migration Watch saying that. Were they joking ?
    I'm not in the mood to argue with this nonsense.

    The negative consequences of unlimited mass immigration which the media and political class have been lying about for 14 years started off small and concentrated in a few areas. 14 years and millions of people later that is increasingly not the case.

    In a nutshell, the political class need new lies.

    http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefingPaper/document/250

    "Since 2000, employment of non-UK born workers aged 16 and over has increased by 2.2 million to over 4.3 million. Yet in this same period, employment of UK born workers has increased by just 574,000"
    You are trying to rub our noses in perversity, Surby.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,030
    surbiton said:


    MrJones said:

    surbiton said:

    MrJones said:

    surbiton said:

    @Mr Jones

    "The ONS said the UK population had increased by about five million since 2001"

    And the infrastructure hasn't been increased at all so it's hard to see how the political class can say there's been no negative consequences with a straight face (unless they're a pack of blank blanks of course in which case they could say anything with a straight face).
    --------------------------

    We got at least a couple of million taxpayers to fund our ever growing elderly population.

    The Tories crow about the highest levels of employment in history. The increase are the immigrants , you know.

    Joke
    9 out of 10 new jobs went to people from Overseas. Wasn't Migration Watch saying that. Were they joking ?
    I'm not in the mood to argue with this nonsense.

    The negative consequences of unlimited mass immigration which the media and political class have been lying about for 14 years started off small and concentrated in a few areas. 14 years and millions of people later that is increasingly not the case.

    In a nutshell, the political class need new lies.

    http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefingPaper/document/250

    "Since 2000, employment of non-UK born workers aged 16 and over has increased by 2.2 million to over 4.3 million. Yet in this same period, employment of UK born workers has increased by just 574,000"
    Ah, I suppose as with anything, it all depends on your baseline!
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    surbiton said:


    MrJones said:

    surbiton said:

    MrJones said:

    surbiton said:

    @Mr Jones

    "The ONS said the UK population had increased by about five million since 2001"

    And the infrastructure hasn't been increased at all so it's hard to see how the political class can say there's been no negative consequences with a straight face (unless they're a pack of blank blanks of course in which case they could say anything with a straight face).
    --------------------------

    We got at least a couple of million taxpayers to fund our ever growing elderly population.

    The Tories crow about the highest levels of employment in history. The increase are the immigrants , you know.

    Joke
    9 out of 10 new jobs went to people from Overseas. Wasn't Migration Watch saying that. Were they joking ?
    I'm not in the mood to argue with this nonsense.

    The negative consequences of unlimited mass immigration which the media and political class have been lying about for 14 years started off small and concentrated in a few areas. 14 years and millions of people later that is increasingly not the case.

    In a nutshell, the political class need new lies.

    http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefingPaper/document/250

    "Since 2000, employment of non-UK born workers aged 16 and over has increased by 2.2 million to over 4.3 million. Yet in this same period, employment of UK born workers has increased by just 574,000"
    I think Lab should continue to tell people about the economic benefits from opening the borders as the percentage of people who have seen the consequences with their own eyes (as opposed to taking it on trust from the TV) continues to increase.


  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    surbiton said:


    MrJones said:

    surbiton said:

    MrJones said:

    surbiton said:

    @Mr Jones

    "The ONS said the UK population had increased by about five million since 2001"

    And the infrastructure hasn't been increased at all so it's hard to see how the political class can say there's been no negative consequences with a straight face (unless they're a pack of blank blanks of course in which case they could say anything with a straight face).
    --------------------------

    We got at least a couple of million taxpayers to fund our ever growing elderly population.

    The Tories crow about the highest levels of employment in history. The increase are the immigrants , you know.

    Joke
    9 out of 10 new jobs went to people from Overseas. Wasn't Migration Watch saying that. Were they joking ?
    I'm not in the mood to argue with this nonsense.

    The negative consequences of unlimited mass immigration which the media and political class have been lying about for 14 years started off small and concentrated in a few areas. 14 years and millions of people later that is increasingly not the case.

    In a nutshell, the political class need new lies.

    http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefingPaper/document/250

    "Since 2000, employment of non-UK born workers aged 16 and over has increased by 2.2 million to over 4.3 million. Yet in this same period, employment of UK born workers has increased by just 574,000"
    You are including the open door Labour years .
  • We need foreigners to come to this country to do the jobs that English people can't do. Like playing Premier League football.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    edited June 2014
    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead remains five points: CON 33%, LAB 38%, LD 8%, UKIP 13%

    First poll fully post Coulson verdict: Con +1, Lab +1.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    edited June 2014
    surbiton said:

    AveryLP said:

    surbiton said:

    @Mr Jones

    "The ONS said the UK population had increased by about five million since 2001"

    And the infrastructure hasn't been increased at all so it's hard to see how the political class can say there's been no negative consequences with a straight face (unless they're a pack of blank blanks of course in which case they could say anything with a straight face).
    --------------------------

    We got at least a couple of million taxpayers to fund our ever growing elderly population.

    The Tories crow about the highest levels of employment in history. The increase are the immigrants , you know.

    Absurby, as always.

    From the June 2014 ONS Labour Market Statistics bulletin;

    Looking at the estimates by nationality, between January to March 2013 and January to March 2014:

    • the number of UK nationals working in the UK increased by 563,000 to reach 27.57 million, and

    • the number of non-UK nationals working in the UK increased by 178,000 to reach 2.77 million.

    The number of people in work who were non-UK born is higher than those who were non-UK nationals as some people born abroad are UK nationals. For January to March 2014, 4.55 million people in work were born abroad, 1.78 million higher than the number of non-UK nationals in work. Looking at the estimates by country of birth, between January to March 2013 and January to March 2014:

    • the number of UK born people working in the UK increased by 447,000 to reach 25.77 million, and

    • the number of non-UK born people working in the UK increased by 292,000 to reach 4.55 million.


    Sharpen your teeth, Surby!
    You made my point. People from abroad are working hard and paying taxes.
    That depends on the group. 80% of Eastern Europeans are working hard and paying taxes, but only 60% of Africans are, and only 50% of Pakistanis and Bangladeshis are.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    TGOHF said:

    surbiton said:


    MrJones said:

    surbiton said:

    MrJones said:

    surbiton said:

    @Mr Jones

    "The ONS said the UK population had increased by about five million since 2001"

    And the infrastructure hasn't been increased at all so it's hard to see how the political class can say there's been no negative consequences with a straight face (unless they're a pack of blank blanks of course in which case they could say anything with a straight face).
    --------------------------

    We got at least a couple of million taxpayers to fund our ever growing elderly population.

    The Tories crow about the highest levels of employment in history. The increase are the immigrants , you know.

    Joke
    9 out of 10 new jobs went to people from Overseas. Wasn't Migration Watch saying that. Were they joking ?
    I'm not in the mood to argue with this nonsense.

    The negative consequences of unlimited mass immigration which the media and political class have been lying about for 14 years started off small and concentrated in a few areas. 14 years and millions of people later that is increasingly not the case.

    In a nutshell, the political class need new lies.

    http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefingPaper/document/250

    "Since 2000, employment of non-UK born workers aged 16 and over has increased by 2.2 million to over 4.3 million. Yet in this same period, employment of UK born workers has increased by just 574,000"
    You are including the open door Labour years .
    Labour like to blame the tories for everything.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Sorry, I was looking at country of birth. It's actually worse than that by nationality for those lagging groups. Only 58% of sub-Saharan Africans work (excluding South Africa), and only 45% of Pakistanis and Bangladeshis in the UK work. This compares to 73% of Brits.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Tonights You Gov LAB 354 CON 252 LD 18 OTHERS 26 (UKPR)

    Ed is crap is PM Every poll in June has Ed is crap is PM
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,864
    bigjohnowls If Ed Miliband does get in with a small majority on around only 35% (even less than Cameron got in 2010) then he will have the lowest mandate of an incoming PM since the war, and an election victory almost entirely due to UKIP splitting the Tory vote, he will be Hollande on steroids!
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    edited June 2014

    Tonights You Gov LAB 354 CON 252 LD 18 OTHERS 26 (UKPR)

    Ed is crap is PM Every poll in June has Ed is crap is PM

    Hmmm , such comments are likely to come and bite you in the arse. Ed is crap. Hopeless as a leader, God forbid he ever becomes PM. That's why Ed Balls and his cabal are plotting against him.....
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    surbiton said:


    MrJones said:

    surbiton said:

    MrJones said:

    surbiton said:

    @Mr Jones

    "The ONS said the UK population had increased by about five million since 2001"

    And the infrastructure hasn't been increased at all so it's hard to see how the political class can say there's been no negative consequences with a straight face (unless they're a pack of blank blanks of course in which case they could say anything with a straight face).
    --------------------------

    We got at least a couple of million taxpayers to fund our ever growing elderly population.

    The Tories crow about the highest levels of employment in history. The increase are the immigrants , you know.

    Joke
    9 out of 10 new jobs went to people from Overseas. Wasn't Migration Watch saying that. Were they joking ?
    I'm not in the mood to argue with this nonsense.

    The negative consequences of unlimited mass immigration which the media and political class have been lying about for 14 years started off small and concentrated in a few areas. 14 years and millions of people later that is increasingly not the case.

    In a nutshell, the political class need new lies.

    http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefingPaper/document/250

    "Since 2000, employment of non-UK born workers aged 16 and over has increased by 2.2 million to over 4.3 million. Yet in this same period, employment of UK born workers has increased by just 574,000"
    I made an economic simulation of what would happen if you have a country with closed borders.

    If its economy was growing and employment rose faster than population growth then unemployment would fall to almost 0% increasing inflation and increasing investment for productivity due to lack of workers, also the growth of the local population would increase due to the increased demand and wages for people (like the post war boom).

    If its economy was declining and employment didn't rise faster than population growth then the surplus workers will reduce inflation and decreasing investment for productivity, resulting into lower or even declining natural population growth from declining wages until the surplus workforce dies off (a very slow malthusian crisis).

    In this perspective open borders at times of economic growth lowers inflation but also lowers productivity, investment and the local population growth rates.
    The lack of people is a great incentive to replace them with machines.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    HYUFD said:

    bigjohnowls If Ed Miliband does get in with a small majority on around only 35% (even less than Cameron got in 2010) then he will have the lowest mandate of an incoming PM since the war, and an election victory almost entirely due to UKIP splitting the Tory vote, he will be Hollande on steroids!

    With one big difference, no adultery.
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    MikeL said:

    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead remains five points: CON 33%, LAB 38%, LD 8%, UKIP 13%

    First poll fully post Coulson verdict: Con +1, Lab +1.

    Sleazy Broken Basil on the slide....into depression.

    Ed is crap = Labour still in the lead.

    Never forget the PB Hodges 3 days of polling summer.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    Tonights You Gov LAB 354 CON 252 LD 18 OTHERS 26 (UKPR)

    Ed is crap is PM Every poll in June has Ed is crap is PM

    Hmmm , such comments are likely to come and bite you in the arse. Ed is crap. Hopeless as a leader, God forbid he ever becomes PM. That's why Ed Balls and his cabal are plotting against him.....
    LESS THAN 10.5 months to go swingback / crossover currently in reverse. Must be worrying for PB Tories that Ed is CRAP and yet the Tories have fallen further behind Lab in June compared to may
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    The Tories currently hold a 1,403 vote lead in the wards comprising the Hendon constituency as we wait for the delayed election in Colindale. In 2010, with a general election turnout, Labour were ahead there by 2,084.
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    Time running out for the PB Hodges to muster some excuses:

    http://countingdownto.com/countdown/134707
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    HYUFD said:

    bigjohnowls If Ed Miliband does get in with a small majority on around only 35% (even less than Cameron got in 2010) then he will have the lowest mandate of an incoming PM since the war, and an election victory almost entirely due to UKIP splitting the Tory vote, he will be Hollande on steroids!

    Worrying Scenario. Fear not the ARSE predicts Tories biggest party
  • Tonights You Gov LAB 354 CON 252 LD 18 OTHERS 26 (UKPR)

    Ed is crap is PM Every poll in June has Ed is crap is PM

    Hmmm , such comments are likely to come and bite you in the arse. Ed is crap. Hopeless as a leader, God forbid he ever becomes PM. That's why Ed Balls and his cabal are plotting against him.....
    LESS THAN 10.5 months to go swingback / crossover currently in reverse. Must be worrying for PB Tories that Ed is CRAP and yet the Tories have fallen further behind Lab in June compared to may
    You're as delusional as the Tories, in your belief that the leader of your chosen political party is the one to lead us to the sunny uplands. The sooner you realise that they're not much different from each other, the happier you'll be.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    HYUFD said:

    bigjohnowls If Ed Miliband does get in with a small majority on around only 35% (even less than Cameron got in 2010) then he will have the lowest mandate of an incoming PM since the war, and an election victory almost entirely due to UKIP splitting the Tory vote, he will be Hollande on steroids!

    FPTP democracy that Cammie fought so hard for
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    surbiton said:

    @Mr Jones

    "The ONS said the UK population had increased by about five million since 2001"

    And the infrastructure hasn't been increased at all so it's hard to see how the political class can say there's been no negative consequences with a straight face (unless they're a pack of blank blanks of course in which case they could say anything with a straight face).
    --------------------------

    We got at least a couple of million taxpayers to fund our ever growing elderly population.

    The Tories crow about the highest levels of employment in history. The increase are the immigrants , you know.

    Importing labour to subsidise our unreformed pension & welfare state isn't a policy, it's a Ponzi scheme.
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    The PB Hodge polling If's for a Tory government:

    If the economy continues to grow
    If wages continually outstrip inflation
    If Ukip returns to the Tories
    If Lib Dems return home
    If Ukip only take off the Tories in safe Tory areas
    If Labour voters don't vote tactically in Lib Dem seats
    If Toby gets his way and Ukip and Tory voters vote tactically
    If Ukip goes to 5%
    If the Lib Dems head back towards 20%
    If Ed remains crap
    If house prices soar
    If Scotland votes for independence
    If Labours campaign is crap
    If Lynton gets his finger out
    If unemployment keeps falling
    If Cameron goes *ahem* cast iron on the in/out referendum
    If the Tory MP's of the right stop their suicide mission
    If the unions pull the plug on Labours money so they cannot fund a campaign
    If there is a breakout of war
    If the falling Tory membership still manages to campaign hard
    If only they had got the boundary changes through
    If there is swingback
    If Ashcrofts marginal polling is wrong
    If the Tory vote was spread out more like Labours and not building up in seats that are safe
    If Ed is found eating kittens or some other scandal
    If the Lib Dems get rid of Nick Clegg and replace him with someone more left wing
    If Ukip don't stand against Euro-sceptic Tory MP's
    If the focus goes back onto the two Ed's
    If Labours manifesto is torn apart by the press
    If the country sees sense
    If the right wing voters hold their nose about Cameron and vote Tory
    If the voters realise what a fantastic job the coalition has been doing
    If the raising of the minimum wage will sway floating voters toffs do have hearts
    If Labour polling figures are being exaggerated
    If the electoral bias in FPTP is not as big as it has been historically
    If the press decide to attack the two Eds with even more venom in the run up to the election
    If the Ukip supporters realise that voting Labour means the will be less chance of a Euro referendum
    If the leadership polls eventually align with the headline figures like they did in Scotland with Iain Gray


    .....keep em coming.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    "Number of people in the UK smashes through 64million after one of the biggest population increases in the whole of Europe

    * Population grows by 400,000, the same as a city the size of Bristol
    * 0.63% rise in 12 months is one of the highest in all of the European Union
    * Biggest driver was births outstripping deaths, accounting for 212,000
    * 183,400 more immigrants arrived than emigrants left in year to June 2013"


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2670751/Number-people-UK-smashes-64million-one-biggest-population-increases-Europe.html
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    Speedy said:

    surbiton said:


    MrJones said:

    surbiton said:

    MrJones said:

    surbiton said:

    @Mr Jones

    "The ONS said the UK population had increased by about five million since 2001"

    And the infrastructure hasn't been increased at all so it's hard to see how the political class can say there's been no negative consequences with a straight face (unless they're a pack of blank blanks of course in which case they could say anything with a straight face).
    --------------------------

    We got at least a couple of million taxpayers to fund our ever growing elderly population.

    The Tories crow about the highest levels of employment in history. The increase are the immigrants , you know.

    Joke
    9 out of 10 new jobs went to people from Overseas. Wasn't Migration Watch saying that. Were they joking ?
    I'm not in the mood to argue with this nonsense.

    The negative consequences of unlimited mass immigration which the media and political class have been lying about for 14 years started off small and concentrated in a few areas. 14 years and millions of people later that is increasingly not the case.

    In a nutshell, the political class need new lies.

    http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefingPaper/document/250

    "Since 2000, employment of non-UK born workers aged 16 and over has increased by 2.2 million to over 4.3 million. Yet in this same period, employment of UK born workers has increased by just 574,000"
    I made an economic simulation of what would happen if you have a country with closed borders.

    If its economy was growing and employment rose faster than population growth then unemployment would fall to almost 0% increasing inflation and increasing investment for productivity due to lack of workers, also the growth of the local population would increase due to the increased demand and wages for people (like the post war boom).

    If its economy was declining and employment didn't rise faster than population growth then the surplus workers will reduce inflation and decreasing investment for productivity, resulting into lower or even declining natural population growth from declining wages until the surplus workforce dies off (a very slow malthusian crisis).

    In this perspective open borders at times of economic growth lowers inflation but also lowers productivity, investment and the local population growth rates.
    The lack of people is a great incentive to replace them with machines.
    The only real growth (imo) comes from innovation and productivity and the biggest incentive for innovation and productivity comes from a labour shortage.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Martin Schulz, the German social democrat and speaker of the European parliament who has played a central role in pushing Juncker to be the next president of the European commission, said: "Let's be honest, [Cameron's] is not a normal political attitude. It's up to him whether he wants to marginalise himself."

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/26/david-cameron-warns-eu-over-jean-claude-juncker

    Another Europhile scumbag. "Vote the way we tell you or we'll marginalise you."
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371

    Tonights You Gov LAB 354 CON 252 LD 18 OTHERS 26 (UKPR)

    Ed is crap is PM Every poll in June has Ed is crap is PM

    Hmmm , such comments are likely to come and bite you in the arse. Ed is crap. Hopeless as a leader, God forbid he ever becomes PM. That's why Ed Balls and his cabal are plotting against him.....
    LESS THAN 10.5 months to go swingback / crossover currently in reverse. Must be worrying for PB Tories that Ed is CRAP and yet the Tories have fallen further behind Lab in June compared to may
    You're as delusional as the Tories, in your belief that the leader of your chosen political party is the one to lead us to the sunny uplands. The sooner you realise that they're not much different from each other, the happier you'll be.
    Ah, the sunny uplands Mr Starter.......they are so close, I can taste them.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,030
    AndyJS said:

    "Number of people in the UK smashes through 64million after one of the biggest population increases in the whole of Europe

    * Population grows by 400,000, the same as a city the size of Bristol
    * 0.63% rise in 12 months is one of the highest in all of the European Union
    * Biggest driver was births outstripping deaths, accounting for 212,000
    * 183,400 more immigrants arrived than emigrants left in year to June 2013"


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2670751/Number-people-UK-smashes-64million-one-biggest-population-increases-Europe.html

    Surprising that the growth rate is at its lowest in 10 years!
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,524

    MikeL said:

    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead remains five points: CON 33%, LAB 38%, LD 8%, UKIP 13%

    First poll fully post Coulson verdict: Con +1, Lab +1.

    Sleazy Broken Basil on the slide....into depression.

    Ed is crap = Labour still in the lead.

    Never forget the PB Hodges 3 days of polling summer.
    I've never really understood the argument that polling in the mid-30's is a tremendous result for Labour, this far from an election. Neil Kinnock was doing better in 1986.

  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    If Kojak could sing?
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    MikeL said:

    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead remains five points: CON 33%, LAB 38%, LD 8%, UKIP 13%

    First poll fully post Coulson verdict: Con +1, Lab +1.

    Sleazy Broken Basil on the slide....into depression.

    Ed is crap = Labour still in the lead.

    Never forget the PB Hodges 3 days of polling summer.
    Its getting quite close for this crossover and swingback to occur, the deadline is October if there is no crossover or swingback by then, its curtains for Cameron.

    For those looking for a 1987 repeat, the Tories didn't start to rise until Aug.1986, 10 months before the election.
    For those looking for a repeat of 1992, its not too late to ditch Cameron, the Tories level pegged with Labour in Nov.1990 and again in Sept 1991, 18 and 7 months before the election.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,524
    Socrates said:

    Sorry, I was looking at country of birth. It's actually worse than that by nationality for those lagging groups. Only 58% of sub-Saharan Africans work (excluding South Africa), and only 45% of Pakistanis and Bangladeshis in the UK work. This compares to 73% of Brits.

    Surely not? According to the migration fundamentalists, Brits are lazy slobs, whose benefits are paid for by the supermen who come from abroad.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    If a man could be two places at one time

    He could be committing voter fraud
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    MrJones said:

    Speedy said:

    surbiton said:


    MrJones said:

    surbiton said:

    MrJones said:

    surbiton said:

    @Mr Jones

    "The ONS said the UK population had increased by about five million since 2001"

    And the infrastructure hasn't been increased at all so it's hard to see how the political class can say there's been no negative consequences with a straight face (unless they're a pack of blank blanks of course in which case they could say anything with a straight face).
    --------------------------

    We got at least a couple of million taxpayers to fund our ever growing elderly population.

    The Tories crow about the highest levels of employment in history. The increase are the immigrants , you know.

    Joke
    9 out of 10 new jobs went to people from Overseas. Wasn't Migration Watch saying that. Were they joking ?
    I'm not in the mood to argue with this nonsense.

    The negative consequences of unlimited mass immigration which the media and political class have been lying about for 14 years started off small and concentrated in a few areas. 14 years and millions of people later that is increasingly not the case.

    In a nutshell, the political class need new lies.

    http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefingPaper/document/250

    "Since 2000, employment of non-UK born workers aged 16 and over has increased by 2.2 million to over 4.3 million. Yet in this same period, employment of UK born workers has increased by just 574,000"
    I made an economic simulation of what would happen if you have a country with closed borders.

    If its economy was growing and employment rose faster than population growth then unemployment would fall to almost 0% increasing inflation and increasing investment for productivity due to lack of workers, also the growth of the local population would increase due to the increased demand and wages for people (like the post war boom).

    If its economy was declining and employment didn't rise faster than population growth then the surplus workers will reduce inflation and decreasing investment for productivity, resulting into lower or even declining natural population growth from declining wages until the surplus workforce dies off (a very slow malthusian crisis).

    In this perspective open borders at times of economic growth lowers inflation but also lowers productivity, investment and the local population growth rates.
    The lack of people is a great incentive to replace them with machines.
    The only real growth (imo) comes from innovation and productivity and the biggest incentive for innovation and productivity comes from a labour shortage.
    Or a big war.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,864
    edited June 2014
    bigjohnowls We must hope ARSE is correct, I would agree that Cameron was an idiot to oppose AV, losing both UKIP preferences and those of Cleggite LDs and effectively depriving him of any chance of a majority. The best he can now hope for is a coalition. While an effective looking PM, he is too often a hopeless political tactician
  • So immigrants from other EU countries are more likely to work that Brits whilst immigrants from outside the EU are less likely to work than Brits?

    Or is that too simple?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    New definition of mid 30s Lab 37/38 is mid thirties

    Con on 32/33 is mid thirties

    CRRROOOSSSOOOOVVVVVEEEERRRRR
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited June 2014
    Sean_F said:

    MikeL said:

    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead remains five points: CON 33%, LAB 38%, LD 8%, UKIP 13%

    First poll fully post Coulson verdict: Con +1, Lab +1.

    Sleazy Broken Basil on the slide....into depression.

    Ed is crap = Labour still in the lead.

    Never forget the PB Hodges 3 days of polling summer.
    I've never really understood the argument that polling in the mid-30's is a tremendous result for Labour, this far from an election. Neil Kinnock was doing better in 1986.

    Polls this time in 1986
    MORI poll 24/06/1986 CON 34, LAB 40, SDP/LIB 23 not much different

    Or if 10.5 months before the election

    MORI poll 19/08/1986 CON 37, LAB 37, SDP/LID 23, its worse for Labour than today.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,524
    Speedy said:

    MikeL said:

    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead remains five points: CON 33%, LAB 38%, LD 8%, UKIP 13%

    First poll fully post Coulson verdict: Con +1, Lab +1.

    Sleazy Broken Basil on the slide....into depression.

    Ed is crap = Labour still in the lead.

    Never forget the PB Hodges 3 days of polling summer.
    Its getting quite close for this crossover and swingback to occur, the deadline is October if there is no crossover or swingback by then, its curtains for Cameron.

    For those looking for a 1987 repeat, the Tories didn't start to rise until Aug.1986, 10 months before the election.
    For those looking for a repeat of 1992, its not too late to ditch Cameron, the Tories level pegged with Labour in Nov.1990 and again in Sept 1991, 18 and 7 months before the election.
    Labour's performance has been piss-poor, in each round of elections since 2010.

    That won't change in 2015.

  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    If my auntie had Gideons she would be my uncle.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Sean_F said:

    Speedy said:

    MikeL said:

    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead remains five points: CON 33%, LAB 38%, LD 8%, UKIP 13%

    First poll fully post Coulson verdict: Con +1, Lab +1.

    Sleazy Broken Basil on the slide....into depression.

    Ed is crap = Labour still in the lead.

    Never forget the PB Hodges 3 days of polling summer.
    Its getting quite close for this crossover and swingback to occur, the deadline is October if there is no crossover or swingback by then, its curtains for Cameron.

    For those looking for a 1987 repeat, the Tories didn't start to rise until Aug.1986, 10 months before the election.
    For those looking for a repeat of 1992, its not too late to ditch Cameron, the Tories level pegged with Labour in Nov.1990 and again in Sept 1991, 18 and 7 months before the election.
    Labour's performance has been piss-poor, in each round of elections since 2010.

    That won't change in 2015.

    The tories are running out of time.
    It's conference season or bust.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited June 2014
    Now we need to figure out whether it is worse for foreigners to steal our jobs or to bludge our dole! Then we could figure out whether EU or non EU migrants are better.

    So immigrants from other EU countries are more likely to work that Brits whilst immigrants from outside the EU are less likely to work than Brits?

    Or is that too simple?

  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Outside of his native land, there wasn't a single country in the EU where more than half the public had even heard of Juncker:

    http://www.aecr.eu/media/AECRAMR-European-election-poll.pdf (page 16).

    Only 8% could name him EU-wide. This is the supposed democratic legitimacy that means the UK gets completely ignored in the decision.

    What a joke the EU is. We really are better off out. How long will it take clowns like Cameron to realise it?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,864
    Speedy Maggie was well behind Kinnock when she was dumped in 1990, but she led him in 1987. Cameron has a clear lead over Miliband, that is why, coupled with the Tories economic lead, I think he will stay in No 10
  • For what it is worth, I am one of the non-EU immigrants that stole one of 'your' jobs.

    Now we need to figure out whether it is worse for foreigners to steal our jobs or to bludge our dole! Then we could figure out whether EU or non EU migrants are better.

    So immigrants from other EU countries are more likely to work that Brits whilst immigrants from outside the EU are less likely to work than Brits?

    Or is that too simple?

  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    If there's anyone in Lancashire that wants to attend the funeral of a war hero that has no family left:

    http://i.imgur.com/pf3pK1X.jpg
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    HYUFD said:

    bigjohnowls We must hope ARSE is correct

    I think JackW is overestimating swingback but he does have a good track record in GE2010 his projection was very close

    My BJESUS prediction GE2015 - released at 8.50 every Tuesday till 5/5/15

    LAB 330 CON 263 LD 33 UKIP 0 Others 26 (Ed is crap is PM)

    BJESUS (Big John Election Service Uniform Swing)
    Using current polling adjusted for 309 days left to go factor and using UKPR standard swingometer

    Perhaps i am underestimating any swingback but I think Lab will do really well in LAB/LD fights

    We shall see who calls this right we are in for an interesting 10 months

  • dellertronicdellertronic Posts: 133
    The Barnet council state is wrong. When Labour win these 3 seats it will be con 32 Lab 30 LD 1. Con Majority of 1
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,014
    I keep hoping Fellaini is going to do something spectacular so United can get a reasonable percentage of the money that Moyes wasted on him back. Nothing so far but there is 5 minutes left.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    So immigrants from other EU countries are more likely to work that Brits whilst immigrants from outside the EU are less likely to work than Brits?

    Or is that too simple?

    A little bit too simple. People from the A8 are more likely to work than Brits. People from older EU members are about similar to Brits. We don't have data on Romania/Bulgaria yet. People from the USA, South Africa and India are pretty similar to Brits. People from the rest of Africa are a lot less likely. People from Pakistan and Bangladesh even less likely.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    The PB Hodge polling If's for a Tory government:

    If the economy continues to grow
    If wages continually outstrip inflation
    If Ukip returns to the Tories
    If Lib Dems return home
    If Ukip only take off the Tories in safe Tory areas
    If Labour voters don't vote tactically in Lib Dem seats
    If Toby gets his way and Ukip and Tory voters vote tactically
    If Ukip goes to 5%
    If the Lib Dems head back towards 20%
    If Ed remains crap
    If house prices soar
    If Scotland votes for independence
    If Labours campaign is crap
    If Lynton gets his finger out
    If unemployment keeps falling
    If Cameron goes *ahem* cast iron on the in/out referendum
    If the Tory MP's of the right stop their suicide mission
    If the unions pull the plug on Labours money so they cannot fund a campaign
    If there is a breakout of war
    If the falling Tory membership still manages to campaign hard
    If only they had got the boundary changes through
    If there is swingback
    If Ashcrofts marginal polling is wrong
    If the Tory vote was spread out more like Labours and not building up in seats that are safe
    If Ed is found eating kittens or some other scandal
    If the Lib Dems get rid of Nick Clegg and replace him with someone more left wing
    If Ukip don't stand against Euro-sceptic Tory MP's
    If the focus goes back onto the two Ed's
    If Labours manifesto is torn apart by the press
    If the country sees sense
    If the right wing voters hold their nose about Cameron and vote Tory
    If the voters realise what a fantastic job the coalition has been doing
    If the raising of the minimum wage will sway floating voters toffs do have hearts
    If Labour polling figures are being exaggerated
    If the electoral bias in FPTP is not as big as it has been historically
    If the press decide to attack the two Eds with even more venom in the run up to the election
    If the Ukip supporters realise that voting Labour means the will be less chance of a Euro referendum
    If the leadership polls eventually align with the headline figures like they did in Scotland with Iain Gray


    .....keep em coming.

    Dear me, that is so embarrassingly pathetic
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523

    MrJones said:


    The only real growth (imo) comes from innovation and productivity and the biggest incentive for innovation and productivity comes from a labour shortage.

    Or a big war.
    I haven't given it much thought but in the end isn't that mostly just debt-based consumption?

    Although I guess if you blow everything up then you'll likely get a productivity boost if you rebuild everything new afterwards (although you could do that without a war - get the RAF (if there was one) to blow up some random industry once a year and then rebuild it).

    A war creates a labour shortage afterwards as well i guess so that would spur innovation.
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    FWIW , a by election result from an election held on Tuesday

    Littlehampton TC River ward Lib Dem gain from Conservative

    LD 263 Lab 220 Con 180 UKIP 178

    A previous by election in the ward in Dec 2012 was also a Lib Dem gain from Conservative

    River ward used to be a safe Labour ward and their candidate in this by election was their PPC for the Bognor Regis and Littlehampton Parliamentary seat .
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,524
    Speedy said:

    Sean_F said:

    MikeL said:

    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead remains five points: CON 33%, LAB 38%, LD 8%, UKIP 13%

    First poll fully post Coulson verdict: Con +1, Lab +1.

    Sleazy Broken Basil on the slide....into depression.

    Ed is crap = Labour still in the lead.

    Never forget the PB Hodges 3 days of polling summer.
    I've never really understood the argument that polling in the mid-30's is a tremendous result for Labour, this far from an election. Neil Kinnock was doing better in 1986.

    Polls this time in 1986
    MORI poll 24/06/1986 CON 34, LAB 40, SDP/LIB 23 not much different

    Or if 10.5 months before the election

    MORI poll 19/08/1986 CON 37, LAB 37, SDP/LID 23, its worse for Labour than today.
    A poll.

    Marplan, the forerunner to ICM had Labour 6-12% ahead. In the event, the Conservatives finished 11% ahead. I don't think anyone expects such a turnaround this time, but it's hugely unwise to proclaim victory on the basis of polls, this far out, when actual election results are really rather weak.

  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    edited June 2014
    May 12 2014 - The PB Hodges day/night of pure orgasm.

    Two polls showing crossover and a Euro poll showing the Tory Party in the lead.

    One chief contributor stated:

    "Tories are 28/1 with Bet365 to win the most votes in the Euros.

    Won't last, fill yer boots"

    Wonder how many boots were filled as well as polling tissues that night?
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    My comment was intended as tongue in cheek! I too am of immigrant stock...

    For what it is worth, I am one of the non-EU immigrants that stole one of 'your' jobs.


    Now we need to figure out whether it is worse for foreigners to steal our jobs or to bludge our dole! Then we could figure out whether EU or non EU migrants are better.

    So immigrants from other EU countries are more likely to work that Brits whilst immigrants from outside the EU are less likely to work than Brits?

    Or is that too simple?

  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    Paul Nuttal - very effective. Ukip starting to pull together one or two decent TV performers now...
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,524

    New definition of mid 30s Lab 37/38 is mid thirties

    Con on 32/33 is mid thirties

    CRRROOOSSSOOOOVVVVVEEEERRRRR

    35% is mid-thirties. That's Labour's current average rating.
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    Prescott on song. On his day, a plain-speaking, strong performer.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,524

    HYUFD said:

    bigjohnowls We must hope ARSE is correct

    I think JackW is overestimating swingback but he does have a good track record in GE2010 his projection was very close

    My BJESUS prediction GE2015 - released at 8.50 every Tuesday till 5/5/15

    LAB 330 CON 263 LD 33 UKIP 0 Others 26 (Ed is crap is PM)

    BJESUS (Big John Election Service Uniform Swing)
    Using current polling adjusted for 309 days left to go factor and using UKPR standard swingometer

    Perhaps i am underestimating any swingback but I think Lab will do really well in LAB/LD fights

    We shall see who calls this right we are in for an interesting 10 months

    I think there is virtually no chance of Labour winning an overall majority, or coming first in vote share, in 2015.

    There is a fair chance of Labour gaining most seats.

  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    Sean_F said:

    New definition of mid 30s Lab 37/38 is mid thirties

    Con on 32/33 is mid thirties

    CRRROOOSSSOOOOVVVVVEEEERRRRR

    35% is mid-thirties. That's Labour's current average rating.
    Two out of the last ten have been 35% or below. If you are looking at UKPR, it only gets updated now and again.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    May 12 2014 - The PB Hodges day/night of pure orgasm.

    Two polls showing crossover and a Euro poll showing the Tory Party in the lead.

    One chief contributor stated:

    "Tories are 28/1 with Bet365 to win the most votes in the Euros.

    Won't last, fill yer boots"

    Wonder how many boots were filled as well as polling tissues that night?


    Anyone with betting nous filled their boots at 28s and laid it off at 7/1 on Betfair
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    isam said:

    May 12 2014 - The PB Hodges day/night of pure orgasm.

    Two polls showing crossover and a Euro poll showing the Tory Party in the lead.

    One chief contributor stated:

    "Tories are 28/1 with Bet365 to win the most votes in the Euros.

    Won't last, fill yer boots"

    Wonder how many boots were filled as well as polling tissues that night?


    Anyone with betting nous filled their boots at 28s and laid it off at 7/1 on Betfair
    Those that did not lay it off are now without boots.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815

    If my auntie had Gideons she would be my uncle.

    Glad to see you 'pouter.

    What made them let you out for the night?

    I thought you were waiting in your cell on Savile Row for the second coming of Jimmy.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Soubry faux outrage as predicted here yesterday

    1.01 on Betfair I'd have thought

    Poor people of Broxtowe, what chance have they got?
  • FalseFlagFalseFlag Posts: 1,801
    The last government (leftist) in Norway formed an expert group of economists that were tasked to calculate the benefits and cost with immigration, and they concluded that the only group that was beneficial to Norway were young Northern Europeans. Everybody else was a clear net drain, and if you included the natural resources of Norway being diluted with more “Norwegians”, the Northern Europeans were a net drain as well.

    http://www.regjeringen.no/en/dep/bld/BLD-arbeider-for-at/styrer-rad-og-utvalg/the-welfare-and-migration-committee.html?id=577139

    Can't wait to see how the infrastructure copes, how much of the countryside survives, how little wages grow and how high house prices go if current immigration trends continue. What an age to live in.
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    AveryLP said:

    If my auntie had Gideons she would be my uncle.

    Glad to see you 'pouter.

    What made them let you out for the night?

    I thought you were waiting in your cell on Savile Row for the second coming of Jimmy.
    Evening Avery, your history of the poor end of beasting and bending over for your seniors should know more about Savillesque adventures. Nice to see the Tories in the lead in the polls. Tory election win nailed on!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,958
    edited June 2014

    May 12 2014 - The PB Hodges day/night of pure orgasm.

    Two polls showing crossover and a Euro poll showing the Tory Party in the lead.

    One chief contributor stated:

    "Tories are 28/1 with Bet365 to win the most votes in the Euros.

    Won't last, fill yer boots"

    Wonder how many boots were filled as well as polling tissues that night?

    Superb, tonight, you prove that you don't understand anything about polling or betting.

    That 28/1 tip was an excellent trading bet, which ultimately yielded a profit, as isam notes below, though as Mike likes to remind me, he backed the Tories at 56/1.

    Obviously, I doff my cap to the poster who said there wouldn't be any crossover polls before the General Election, you truly are a visionary.
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371

    May 12 2014 - The PB Hodges day/night of pure orgasm.

    Two polls showing crossover and a Euro poll showing the Tory Party in the lead.

    One chief contributor stated:

    "Tories are 28/1 with Bet365 to win the most votes in the Euros.

    Won't last, fill yer boots"

    Wonder how many boots were filled as well as polling tissues that night?

    Superb, tonight, you prove that you don't understand anything about polling or betting.

    That 28/1 tip was an excellent trading bet, which ultimately yielded a profit, as isam notes below, though as Mike likes to remind me, he backed the Tories at 56/1.

    Obviously, I doff my cap to the poster who said there wouldn't be any crossover polls before the General Election, you truly are a visionary.
    Always happy to keep the PB Hodges smiling.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    edited June 2014
    MrJones said:

    MrJones said:


    The only real growth (imo) comes from innovation and productivity and the biggest incentive for innovation and productivity comes from a labour shortage.

    Or a big war.
    I haven't given it much thought but in the end isn't that mostly just debt-based consumption?

    Although I guess if you blow everything up then you'll likely get a productivity boost if you rebuild everything new afterwards (although you could do that without a war - get the RAF (if there was one) to blow up some random industry once a year and then rebuild it).

    A war creates a labour shortage afterwards as well i guess so that would spur innovation.
    Mr. Jones, I was thinking particularly of innovation. Consider the leaps and bounds in the application of science into technology that occurred during both WW1 and WW2. Pick any field and you'll find it jumped ahead during both conflicts. Even my own best loved subject, number theory, which Godfrey Hardy was celebrating as having no practical purpose in the inter-war years, found role in cryptology and computing during WW2.

    Big wars may not advance pure science too much but they accelerate innovation because in such wars, for the West at least, its a case of innovate or die. Didn't someone say necessity is the mother of invention.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited June 2014
    It never ceases to amaze me that people, including some who are apparently grown-ups, don't ask themselves the most basic of questions when looking at opinion polls: how useful are they at predicting the final result?

    The answer, obviously, is that, amongst other things, it depends how long before the election the poll is taken. Polls a week before an election are likely to be pretty good on average. Polls four and a half years before an election: entirely useless.

    So: how useful are polls 10 months before an election, and in what direction are they likely to change?

    Luckily, an Oxford professor has done the research:

    http://users.ox.ac.uk/~nuff0084/ge15forecast/

    The error bars (95% confidence) on Con vote share are still plus or minus 7.8%.

    In plain English: the current polls probably give only a very rough estimate of the final result.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,864
    bigjohnowls Labour will pick up almost all their LD targets I would agree, regardless of who wins the election
  • FalseFlagFalseFlag Posts: 1,801
    Socrates said:

    So immigrants from other EU countries are more likely to work that Brits whilst immigrants from outside the EU are less likely to work than Brits?

    Or is that too simple?

    A little bit too simple. People from the A8 are more likely to work than Brits. People from older EU members are about similar to Brits. We don't have data on Romania/Bulgaria yet. People from the USA, South Africa and India are pretty similar to Brits. People from the rest of Africa are a lot less likely. People from Pakistan and Bangladesh even less likely.
    Always cautious on these statistics, often they are distorted by not controlling for working age, lots of native children and very elderly, and of course it depends on the work they are doing. Additional issue of less recent immigrant communities being put in with British nationals with their own high unemployment rates.

    Unfortunately recently productivity has slowed as instead of innovating and injecting capital firms have relied on cheap foreign labour to expand production. Perhaps our pro immigration friends will start lobbying for repealing the child labour laws, or anti slavery acts?

  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Sean_F said:

    New definition of mid 30s Lab 37/38 is mid thirties

    Con on 32/33 is mid thirties

    CRRROOOSSSOOOOVVVVVEEEERRRRR

    35% is mid-thirties. That's Labour's current average rating.
    No its not the mean median and modal labour scores are all in excess of 35.

    Can you provide your workings so i can disprove them
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,864
    edited June 2014
    Ann Coulter off her rocks again - growing American interest in soccer a symbol of US decline

    'If more "Americans" are watching soccer today, it's only because of the demographic switch effected by Teddy Kennedy's 1965 immigration law. I promise you: No American whose great-grandfather was born here is watching soccer. One can only hope that, in addition to learning English, these new Americans will drop their soccer fetish with time.
    I've held off on writing about soccer for a decade — or about the length of the average soccer game — so as not to offend anyone. But enough is enough. Any growing interest in soccer can only be a sign of the nation's moral decay.'
    http://www.clarionledger.com/story/opinion/columnists/2014/06/25/coulter-growing-interest-soccer-sign-nations-moral-decay/11372137/
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815

    AveryLP said:

    If my auntie had Gideons she would be my uncle.

    Glad to see you 'pouter.

    What made them let you out for the night?

    I thought you were waiting in your cell on Savile Row for the second coming of Jimmy.
    Evening Avery, your history of the poor end of beasting and bending over for your seniors should know more about Savillesque adventures. Nice to see the Tories in the lead in the polls. Tory election win nailed on!
    Early summer polls are most unreliable, 'pouter.

    True tories don't complete polling surveys during the season. They are far too busy at Ascot, Wimbledon, Henley and even, god forsake us, Royal Liverpool.

    You will have to wait until the end of Glorious Goodwood before the polls start to give a balanced reading of voting intention.

  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    @HYUFD

    Ann Coulter is a troll on a massive scale. Don't indulge her.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    It never ceases to amaze me that people, including some who are apparently grown-ups, don't ask themselves the most basic of questions when looking at opinion polls: how useful are they at predicting the final result?

    The answer, obviously, is that, amongst other things, it depends how long before the election the poll is taken. Polls a week before an election are likely to be pretty good on average. Polls four and a half years before an election: entirely useless.

    So: how useful are polls 10 months before an election, and in what direction are they likely to change?

    Luckily, an Oxford professor has done the research:

    http://users.ox.ac.uk/~nuff0084/ge15forecast/

    The error bars (95% confidence) on Con vote share are still plus or minus 7.8%.

    In plain English: the current polls probably give only a very rough estimate of the final result.

    People who believe this could make a killing on Betfair.

    As for me if Labour dont get most seats I fear Mrs BJO will demand a divorce such wiil be my scale of losses.

    No lose situation really.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    In talking about polls and crossover should people not remember that the tories won a by-election recently. Won it well - whereas at a similar time labour were losing Crewe and Nantwich.
    The electorate with an opportunity to send a real MP to Westminser as opposed to sending a message chose to send a Conservative MP.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Good night. No reply from mr average so i am off
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,379
    Socrates said:

    Only 8% could name him [Juncker] EU-wide. This is the supposed democratic legitimacy that means the UK gets completely ignored in the decision.

    But the UK isn't being ignored. It's stated its disapproval of Juncker, it will vote against him, and has attempted to get other countries to vote likewise. At the end of the day there will be a vote in the European Council and if Juncker gets a qualified majority, he wins, and if he doesn't, he won't. The UK isn't being ignored. It's being outvoted.
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    AveryLP said:

    AveryLP said:

    If my auntie had Gideons she would be my uncle.

    Glad to see you 'pouter.

    What made them let you out for the night?

    I thought you were waiting in your cell on Savile Row for the second coming of Jimmy.
    Evening Avery, your history of the poor end of beasting and bending over for your seniors should know more about Savillesque adventures. Nice to see the Tories in the lead in the polls. Tory election win nailed on!
    Early summer polls are most unreliable, 'pouter.

    True tories don't complete polling surveys during the season. They are far too busy at Ascot, Wimbledon, Henley and even, god forsake us, Royal Liverpool.

    You will have to wait until the end of Glorious Goodwood before the polls start to give a balanced reading of voting intention.

    Oh Christ, another Avery polling prediction. I dare not tell Basil.
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