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imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » EdM might not be polling well at the moment but the idea that David M would have done better is fanciful rubbish.

I was very taken by this comment from Edmund in Tokyo on the previous thread on why David Miliband would not have been the winner that his protagonists say he would:-

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  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,116
    edited June 2014
    What's every PBer's favourite bus company?

    First!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,116
    At least the Iranians don't have a claim on the Falklands :)
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    The Brothers Miliband, the Baines and Johnson of Labour politics.
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,240
    Agreed. For every bacon sandwich there's a banana.
  • Rendition would have been another problem for a Dave M leadership
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,116
    "This is 10 Downing Street. And this is David Miliband - the politician who leads an exciting double life. For when David eats a banana, an amazing transformation occurs!

    "David is BANANAMAN, ever alert for the call to action!"
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Iran are doing well to keep Argentina out here.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    YouGov polling has found that voters would prefer David Miliband as leader.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,116
    FPT
    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    "In an essay for Prospect, the president of YouGov, Peter Kellner, writes that there would be a "startling" improvement in Labour's fortunes if David Miliband were leader. The former foreign secretary scores 35% support as the best person for prime minister, 12 points ahead of his brother. A change of leader would see David Cameron's score crash from 33% to 23%.

    One MP said: "I like Ed a lot. He is a really nice guy. But he has not managed to get a hearing from the British people. His ratings have been bad since day one and he has not managed to improve them. In fact, they are getting worse.""


    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jun/20/ed-miliband-must-go-lose-election-labour-frontbencher

    I wonder if I might be tempted to vote Labour for the first time since the 1998 Locals if Rachel were to become leader. Again, purely hypothetical :)
    You find her gravelly voice attractive, I take it
    She looks OK :)
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,986
    Afternoon all :)

    Well, I've been looking ahead to Friday May 8th 2015 and I have some statements from the various Party leaders:

    "We have won no seats but a great victory" - N.Farage

    "Given the number of eggs thrown at me in the campaign, I had assumed "Alarm Clock Britain" had chosen me as the man they wanted most to have breakfast with. I was clearly mistaken. We have won a few seats and a great victory" - N.Clegg

    "The British people have spoken and have sent me an unequivocal message which I intend to act on at once. Sam, time to go back to work while I mind the kids" - D.Cameron

    "I received a concession call from David at 3am. My brother conceded he wished he'd won the leadership election in 2010. Apparently David Cameron also called and left a message." - E.Miliband

  • IOSIOS Posts: 1,450
    He is polling well enough to be Prime Minister in 10 months. Which is no mid term lead. So he ain't doing that badly.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @JohnRentoul: "EdM might not be polling well but idea David M wd hv done better is fanciful rubbish" Trans: "worth thinking about" http://t.co/MVxcLWlVxx
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,116
    Half-time
    Argentina 0-0 Iran
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited June 2014
    Argentina will be demoralised by their failure to score in the first half when they had so many chances. (I'm happy since I have a small bet on Iran at 30-1).
  • AndyJS said:

    Argentina will be demoralised by their failure to score in the first half when they had so many chances.

    Well done Iran. Laid the Argies at 1.18 and cashed out at 1.38.
    Which was nice,

  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,564
    Quite a bit of derisive doorstep comment today about "pothole Cameron", so he did get attention (second on the regional news), if not necessarily quite what he'd have wanted. This sort of thing, like photoshoots brooding over which bread to buy in Aldi, is genuinely difficult for party leaders - if they pretend to be interested in small issues, people giggle, if they talk about big issues, people say they're out of touch. Ideally the small things need to be used as a link to the big ones - I expect he wanted the theme to be "we are able to fix your potholes because of our wonderful economic management" but the media coverage doesn't work that way.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    A prediction: Broxtowe Labour supporters will be campaigning in Amber Valley, Erewash and Sherwood on election day 2015.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Good evening, everyone.

    F1: watched the BBC highlights. If Bottas gets on the podium, he's got a bet that he'll wear the lederhosen the organisers gave every driver.
  • IOSIOS Posts: 1,450
    I think it is fair to say that David was undone not just by himself but by the people that supported him - such as Dab Hodges. In much the same way as Tony Blair is done in by his band of constant defenders.

    Miliband is a smart guy but completely lost the ability to be critical of himself and his views - primarily because he was used to so many people telling him how great he was.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,116
    Iran almost!
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    Good evening everyone,

    I was too hungover for the morning Scottish thread (Go Stereotypes!) - and besides, Malcolm scares me.

    However, since it's the world cup - I am allowing myself an early evening drunken britnat rant-

    I'm just going to pick out one example, Race, but I'm sure this kind of logic overwhelms the campaign on both sides.

    Yesssnp: Scotland has no problem with racism; therefore us, as clearly non-racist, people should vote to be independent.

    I can't be bothered typing more - I shall just leave that as it stand for others to read into.
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    OGH: I agree.
    We will see. But many people are often passsive and can't inspire/motivate themselves somewhat sometimes.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,173
    The brothers Miliband share a level of mediocrity surpassed only by the, to me, extraordinary consensus that they are both highly intelligent. I dare say I'm in the wrong but I've never 'got' either of them.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Finally cashed out on Iran and put the money on a draw instead.
  • IOSIOS Posts: 1,450
    Sooo close. Thought that was in
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,116
    Iran almost, again!
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    edited June 2014
    AndyJS said:

    A prediction: Broxtowe Labour supporters will be campaigning in Amber Valley, Erewash and Sherwood on election day 2015.

    Is that because you think Broxtowe is becoming a certainty for NickxMP?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    AndyJS said:

    A prediction: Broxtowe Labour supporters will be campaigning in Amber Valley, Erewash and Sherwood on election day 2015.

    Is that because you think Broxtowe is becoming a certainty for NickxMP?
    Yes.
  • AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    A prediction: Broxtowe Labour supporters will be campaigning in Amber Valley, Erewash and Sherwood on election day 2015.

    Is that because you think Broxtowe is becoming a certainty for NickxMP?
    Yes.
    I agree that Broxtowe is becoming a certainty for NickxMP.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    This morning I returned to the baker's shop where I voiced my displeasure last week at being served by staff wearing England jerseys. To my surprise the jerseys had disappeared and the staff were wearing their normal uniforms. I enquired as to why this was - given that England still have a game to play against Costa Rica. No answer given. I then asked why they were not supporting the England Rugby team or the Cricket team in its test match battle. Again no meaningful response.It all persuaded me how pathetic and contrived the gesture was a week earlier.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    edited June 2014
    Argies yet to concede a goal in 2 games - WC winning form that...
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    Amber Valley is almost as marginal as Broxtowe.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    @tobyhelm: Labour lead still 4pts in Opinium/Obs Poll. Lab 35 (n/c). Con 31 (n/c) Ukip 17 (-2), Lib Dems 7 (+1) Green 5 (+1).
    Ed M rating -25, PM's -10

    @tobyhelm: Voters would take UK out of EU in in/out ref now - 48 out to 37 stay in - but DC can turn it round if he renegotiates well says Op/Obs poll.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,336
    JBriskin said:

    Good evening everyone,

    I was too hungover for the morning Scottish thread (Go Stereotypes!) - and besides, Malcolm scares me.

    However, since it's the world cup - I am allowing myself an early evening drunken britnat rant-

    I'm just going to pick out one example, Race, but I'm sure this kind of logic overwhelms the campaign on both sides.

    Yesssnp: Scotland has no problem with racism; therefore us, as clearly non-racist, people should vote to be independent.

    I can't be bothered typing more - I shall just leave that as it stand for others to read into.

    It doesn't really work that way, old boy, but you have some nice footy to enjoy, and I have dinner coming with some decent Pinot Grigio after a long day, so why worry?

    However, JB's mention has reminded me of something else: my recollection of the Rugby World Cup home crowd at Murrayfield some years back very vigorously cheering one of the visiting teams during the England versus Japan match. Now that was stated to be nothing more than being particularly hospitable to a tea coming from far away and with far less support than their opponents, but was it seen that way? And the interesting thing about that is that the demographic which reputedly plays rugby is not (also reputedly), let's say, very SNP-friendly. So if we were doing that, and also busily voting Labour and Tory while digging up Wembley to improve our backyairds, what does that say about the relation of supporting England (of whom Mr Salmond is the best known Scottish supporter, BTW) or otherwise?

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,116
    justin124 said:

    This morning I returned to the baker's shop where I voiced my displeasure last week at being served by staff wearing England jerseys.

    Why the initial displeasure?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    The cricket was great it attritional today I just wished we hadn't collapsed like the French Army in world war 2.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    Crikey how have the Ayatollahs played today ?
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Boooooooooooo !
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,116
    edited June 2014
    Damn - Messi scored in injury time!!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    Ok still a decent trading bet.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    Iran's greatest performance since they played Scotland in 78?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,116

    Iran's greatest performance since they played Scotland in 78?

    They beat the US in 1998!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959

    Iran's greatest performance since they played Scotland in 78?

    They beat the US in 1998!
    That was expected.

  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    Carnyx said:

    JBriskin said:

    Good evening everyone,

    I was too hungover for the morning Scottish thread (Go Stereotypes!) - and besides, Malcolm scares me.

    However, since it's the world cup - I am allowing myself an early evening drunken britnat rant-

    I'm just going to pick out one example, Race, but I'm sure this kind of logic overwhelms the campaign on both sides.

    Yesssnp: Scotland has no problem with racism; therefore us, as clearly non-racist, people should vote to be independent.

    I can't be bothered typing more - I shall just leave that as it stand for others to read into.

    It doesn't really work that way, old boy, but you have some nice footy to enjoy, and I have dinner coming with some decent Pinot Grigio after a long day, so why worry?

    However, JB's mention has reminded me of something else: my recollection of the Rugby World Cup home crowd at Murrayfield some years back very vigorously cheering one of the visiting teams during the England versus Japan match. Now that was stated to be nothing more than being particularly hospitable to a tea coming from far away and with far less support than their opponents, but was it seen that way? And the interesting thing about that is that the demographic which reputedly plays rugby is not (also reputedly), let's say, very SNP-friendly. So if we were doing that, and also busily voting Labour and Tory while digging up Wembley to improve our backyairds, what does that say about the relation of supporting England (of whom Mr Salmond is the best known Scottish supporter, BTW) or otherwise?

    No-one can speak Internet Scots like you Carnynx!!! I honestly don't know how you do it. However, as ever, I am drunk, and pick the easy target-


    [(of whom Mr Salmond is the best known Scottish supporter, BTW)]

    Where do you get this crap from???

    However, from one Pinot Grigio fan to another, Cheers/Sante/(insert from another language of your choice)


  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,116

    The cricket was great it attritional today I just wished we hadn't collapsed like the French Army in world war 2.

    Or the Pakistani Army in December 1971?

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,116

    Crikey how have the Ayatollahs played today ?

    At least the Ayatollahs don't claim the Falklands (also they are in line to be our newest allies in the Mid-East against ISIS).
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    justin124 said:

    Amber Valley is almost as marginal as Broxtowe.

    The demographics are very different,
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,704
    Edmund is wrong, you can't be "utterly shit at politics" and achieve high office as Foreign Secretary.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Pondering whether to journey to Leeds tomorrow.
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    D Milliband was an appalling Foreign Secretary..never seemed to know where he was..pissed off a few folk..a total clutz..
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    edited June 2014
    Hmm. I don't suppose anyone can remember how easy/hard overtaking is in Austria, can they?

    On the other hand, Bahrain's rubbish for overtaking, usually, yet was very exciting this year.

    Very unsure how to bet. Trying to work out how easy/hard overtaking is. Both Mercedes are set up for it, but that could be indicative of fearing the genuine pace of Williams and the nature of the circuit. Hmmm.

    Edited extra bit: watched Massa's pole lap. Feel overtaking may be tricky.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/27953598
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Murderer of British honeymoon couple in Antigua is shot dead by police after escaping from jail:

    http://news.sky.com/story/1286417/captured-honeymoon-killer-dies-from-wounds
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    Labour had to make a choice between crap and shit and they chose crap.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    edited June 2014
    Another Miliband is crap thread. This time though, we have 2 for the price of one.

    David Miliband is crap with knobs on.
    Ed Miliband is also crap, though not as crap as David, according to OGH.

    My own thoughts are that ED, who is now the elected leader of Labour, should be anointed with the Grand Order of Crapola with Bar and take all the brickbats, complaints and rude tweets with a stiff upper lip as is expected from the leader of the British working class.
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    [Hmm. I don't suppose anyone can remember how easy/hard overtaking is in Austria, can they?]

    Wasn't it, like, a decade ago? No. Should be okay with all this DRS malarkey.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Mr. Briskin, prevaricated so long over a bet that Inside F1's been on. Just watching it now, but it seems it's quite hard:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/27957803
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    Meow. Labour PPC tries to undermine and deride a visit to his constituency from the Conservative Prime Minister, and with it, the subsequent positive media coverage and photo ops it has provided for his opponent Anna Soubry. In other words, this shows that the Conservatives are up well up for a fight in this marginal seat, and that they are now bringing in the big guns such as Cameron to show their solid support of Soubry's local campaign in the run up to the GE. That is bound to have resonated with the local voters, I also assume that Ed Miliband has already pencilled in a visit to Broxtowe in his GE campaign diary?

    Quite a bit of derisive doorstep comment today about "pothole Cameron", so he did get attention (second on the regional news), if not necessarily quite what he'd have wanted. This sort of thing, like photoshoots brooding over which bread to buy in Aldi, is genuinely difficult for party leaders - if they pretend to be interested in small issues, people giggle, if they talk about big issues, people say they're out of touch. Ideally the small things need to be used as a link to the big ones - I expect he wanted the theme to be "we are able to fix your potholes because of our wonderful economic management" but the media coverage doesn't work that way.

  • Paul_Mid_BedsPaul_Mid_Beds Posts: 1,409
    edited June 2014

    @tobyhelm: Labour lead still 4pts in Opinium/Obs Poll. Lab 35 (n/c). Con 31 (n/c) Ukip 17 (-2), Lib Dems 7 (+1) Green 5 (+1).
    Ed M rating -25, PM's -10

    This far out from the 2010 Elections (June 2009) Opposition was 12% ahead, finished 7.5% ahead,

    This far out from the 2005 election (June 2004), opposition was 3% behind, they finished 3% behind

    This far out from the 2001 election (Jul 2000), opposition was 7% behind, they finished 9% behind

    This far out from the 1997 election (Jun 1996), opposition was 16% ahead, they finished 12.5% ahead.

    This far out from the 1992 election (May 1991) opposition was 6% ahead, they finished 7.5% behind.

    This far out from the 1987 election (May 1986) opposition was 7% ahead, they finished 11.5% behind

    In all the elections except 2005 the opposition lost ground between this point and the election.

    In all the elections that labour were the opposition (1997, 1992, 1987) they lost an average of 11.8% between this point and the election. Current opinion polls put Labour 1-4% ahead. I don't agree with much of what Dan Hodges says but I agree with him that labour have had it in the 2015 election - unless there is a spectacular economic bust between now and the election.

    However I expect the can to continue be successfully be kicked along the road until the next election (as it has since 2010 rather than make any real reforms), so Gideon and co will have to deal with the now inevitable spectacular economic bust on their own after 2015.

    (source http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2009/oct/21/icm-poll-data-labour-conservatives)

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    On topic, Ed and David Miliband are the most inept brothers since Hannibal and Hasdrubal.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    FTAO of Peter from Putney.

    Last night I posted that Costa Rica were nearly 4/1 to defeat England and advised PBers to fill their boots, as I found this price astonishingly generous.

    That said, I have heard and read Costa Rica do plan to rest some players against England (the shame, the shame for us English, Costa Rica FFS!), even taking that into account, I would still back Costa Rica, not only because of the "cash out" strategy that has proven so successful and profitable this World Cup.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959

    The cricket was great it attritional today I just wished we hadn't collapsed like the French Army in world war 2.

    Or the Pakistani Army in December 1971?

    A minor setback.

  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,144
    JBriskin said:


    Yesssnp: Scotland has no problem with racism; therefore us, as clearly non-racist, people should vote to be independent.

    Are you less stupid when sober? One can only hope so.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380

    JBriskin said:


    Yesssnp: Scotland has no problem with racism; therefore us, as clearly non-racist, people should vote to be independent.

    Are you less stupid when sober? One can only hope so.
    In the same way as my driving gets better - I like to think so does my intelligence.

    Go on then - What did I get wrong??

  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,704
    fitalass said:

    In other words, this shows that the Conservatives are up well up for a fight in this marginal seat, and that they are now bringing in the big guns

    Even if you are right it rather betrays the Tory weakness. If they work really, REALLY hard they might defend some of their marginal seats.

    Small problem though. They don't have a majority. This sort of approach would have worked for Blair, Thatcher or even Brown.

    But this is nowhere near enough if you don't have a majority to start with.


  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,144
    edited June 2014
    JBriskin said:

    JBriskin said:


    Yesssnp: Scotland has no problem with racism; therefore us, as clearly non-racist, people should vote to be independent.

    Are you less stupid when sober? One can only hope so.
    In the same way as my driving gets better - I like to think so does my intelligence.

    Go on then - What did I get wrong??

    You didn't get it 'wrong', you indulged in the standard reductive feckwittery of setting up a false premise, i.e. that anyone in Yessnp (hilarious!) has said that Scotland has no problem with racism. It's the same as those goons who state that anyone voting for independence must think it's an automatic passport to Utopia.

  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @fitalass

    'Meow. Labour PPC tries to undermine and deride a visit to his constituency from the Conservative Prime Minister,'

    What else do you expect from a Blair patsy?
  • FTAO of Peter from Putney.

    Last night I posted that Costa Rica were nearly 4/1 to defeat England and advised PBers to fill their boots, as I found this price astonishingly generous.

    That said, I have heard and read Costa Rica do plan to rest some players against England (the shame, the shame for us English, Costa Rica FFS!), even taking that into account, I would still back Costa Rica, not only because of the "cash out" strategy that has proven so successful and profitable this World Cup.

    Isn't Roy going to do the same thing?
    He should play the youngsters and leave all the older ones out. Rooney, Gerrard and co might as well make a start on their holidays
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,813
    If David Milliband is the answer, what the heck is the question?
  • JWisemannJWisemann Posts: 1,082
    Paul mid beds - beautiful entrail-reading there - based on labour polls from 30 years ago they are definitely losing 11% of their VI because obviously these things are based on immutable laws of physics. And oppositions always lose VI except for the recent election where they didn't etc....
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380

    JBriskin said:

    JBriskin said:


    Yesssnp: Scotland has no problem with racism; therefore us, as clearly non-racist, people should vote to be independent.

    Are you less stupid when sober? One can only hope so.
    In the same way as my driving gets better - I like to think so does my intelligence.

    Go on then - What did I get wrong??

    You didn't get it 'wrong', you indulged in the standard reductive feckwittery of setting up a false premise, i.e. that anyone in Yessnp (hilarious!) has said that Scotland has no problem with racism. It's the same as those goons who state that anyone voting for independence must think it's an automatic passport to Utopia.

    How can anyone vote and arugue against wind farm, artists and non-racists united? It's not my fault I'm reduced to standard reductive feckwittery.

    How are you playing it Mr Union?



  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,701
    edited June 2014
    fitalass said:

    Meow. Labour PPC tries to undermine and deride a visit to his constituency from the Conservative Prime Minister, and with it, the subsequent positive media coverage and photo ops it has provided for his opponent Anna Soubry. In other words, this shows that the Conservatives are up well up for a fight in this marginal seat, and that they are now bringing in the big guns such as Cameron to show their solid support of Soubry's local campaign in the run up to the GE. That is bound to have resonated with the local voters, I also assume that Ed Miliband has already pencilled in a visit to Broxtowe in his GE campaign diary?

    Quite a bit of derisive doorstep comment today about "pothole Cameron", so he did get attention (second on the regional news), if not necessarily quite what he'd have wanted. This sort of thing, like photoshoots brooding over which bread to buy in Aldi, is genuinely difficult for party leaders - if they pretend to be interested in small issues, people giggle, if they talk about big issues, people say they're out of touch. Ideally the small things need to be used as a link to the big ones - I expect he wanted the theme to be "we are able to fix your potholes because of our wonderful economic management" but the media coverage doesn't work that way.

    You should have arranged for the Tour de France to come through; amazing the potholes which have been done in the relevant parts of Essex, which previously had little or no chance of being attended to.
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    [If David Milliband is the answer, what the heck is the question?]

    One that involves Ed (is crap) as an option. But apparently not - as previously stated we're getting 2 for 1 today - Team OGH is Genius!!!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959

    FTAO of Peter from Putney.

    Last night I posted that Costa Rica were nearly 4/1 to defeat England and advised PBers to fill their boots, as I found this price astonishingly generous.

    That said, I have heard and read Costa Rica do plan to rest some players against England (the shame, the shame for us English, Costa Rica FFS!), even taking that into account, I would still back Costa Rica, not only because of the "cash out" strategy that has proven so successful and profitable this World Cup.

    Isn't Roy going to do the same thing?
    He should play the youngsters and leave all the older ones out. Rooney, Gerrard and co might as well make a start on their holidays
    Henry Winter of the Telegraph (who wrote Gerrard's autobiography) says Gerrard is going to retire from international football after the Costa Rica match, so Stevie G is going to play.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 4,591

    fitalass said:

    Meow. Labour PPC tries to undermine and deride a visit to his constituency from the Conservative Prime Minister, and with it, the subsequent positive media coverage and photo ops it has provided for his opponent Anna Soubry. In other words, this shows that the Conservatives are up well up for a fight in this marginal seat, and that they are now bringing in the big guns such as Cameron to show their solid support of Soubry's local campaign in the run up to the GE. That is bound to have resonated with the local voters, I also assume that Ed Miliband has already pencilled in a visit to Broxtowe in his GE campaign diary?

    Quite a bit of derisive doorstep comment today about "pothole Cameron", so he did get attention (second on the regional news), if not necessarily quite what he'd have wanted. This sort of thing, like photoshoots brooding over which bread to buy in Aldi, is genuinely difficult for party leaders - if they pretend to be interested in small issues, people giggle, if they talk about big issues, people say they're out of touch. Ideally the small things need to be used as a link to the big ones - I expect he wanted the theme to be "we are able to fix your potholes because of our wonderful economic management" but the media coverage doesn't work that way.

    You should have arranged for the Tour de France to come through; amazing the potholes which have been done in the relevant parts of Essex, which previously had little or no chance of being attended to.
    Reminds me of the councillor on Argyll and Bute council who remarked they would get more chance of the remote roads there upgraded if they were re-designated as slip roads for the new Forth Crossing.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,144
    JBriskin said:

    JBriskin said:

    JBriskin said:


    Yesssnp: Scotland has no problem with racism; therefore us, as clearly non-racist, people should vote to be independent.

    Are you less stupid when sober? One can only hope so.
    In the same way as my driving gets better - I like to think so does my intelligence.

    Go on then - What did I get wrong??

    You didn't get it 'wrong', you indulged in the standard reductive feckwittery of setting up a false premise, i.e. that anyone in Yessnp (hilarious!) has said that Scotland has no problem with racism. It's the same as those goons who state that anyone voting for independence must think it's an automatic passport to Utopia.

    How can anyone vote and arugue against wind farm, artists and non-racists united? It's not my fault I'm reduced to standard reductive feckwittery.

    How are you playing it Mr Union?
    Christ preserve me from those labouring under the vast misapprehension that they're witty.
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380

    JBriskin said:

    JBriskin said:

    JBriskin said:


    Yesssnp: Scotland has no problem with racism; therefore us, as clearly non-racist, people should vote to be independent.

    Are you less stupid when sober? One can only hope so.
    In the same way as my driving gets better - I like to think so does my intelligence.

    Go on then - What did I get wrong??

    You didn't get it 'wrong', you indulged in the standard reductive feckwittery of setting up a false premise, i.e. that anyone in Yessnp (hilarious!) has said that Scotland has no problem with racism. It's the same as those goons who state that anyone voting for independence must think it's an automatic passport to Utopia.

    How can anyone vote and arugue against wind farm, artists and non-racists united? It's not my fault I'm reduced to standard reductive feckwittery.

    How are you playing it Mr Union?
    Christ preserve me from those labouring under the vast misapprehension that they're witty.
    I wasn't aiming for wit.

  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,986
    Evening all :)

    I'm not a member of the "Ed is crap" club. Part of me suspects that any Labour leader would be subject to the jibes, waspish comments and the like from the Conservative-inclined. Even Tony Blair was a victim (demon eyes and the persistent attacks on Cherie). It's all part of the political game so to speak...

    Ed has made mistakes as LOTO as did Cameron before him - that's part of the process and like Cameron, he's had or will have five years to get his act together before he presents himself as a credible alternative Prime Minister.

    A Prime Minister is for me not defined in terms of crisis - they are actually quite easy - but in terms of the smaller things. How would Ed M handle a Ministerial scandal or a clear case of negligence or incompetence ? He is or would be primus inter pares but that means convincing the electorate as much as his own party he can command as well as lead.

    In politics as in life, some times you're the pigeon and some days you're the statue and it's how you handle the statue days or weeks that speaks volumes about personal character and suitability to lead.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,336
    JBriskin said:

    Carnyx said:

    JBriskin said:

    Good evening everyone,

    I was too hungover for the morning Scottish thread (Go Stereotypes!) - and besides, Malcolm scares me.

    However, since it's the world cup - I am allowing myself an early evening drunken britnat rant-

    I'm just going to pick out one example, Race, but I'm sure this kind of logic overwhelms the campaign on both sides.

    Yesssnp: Scotland has no problem with racism; therefore us, as clearly non-racist, people should vote to be independent.

    I can't be bothered typing more - I shall just leave that as it stand for others to read into.

    It doesn't really work that way, old boy, but you have some nice footy to enjoy, and I have dinner coming with some decent Pinot Grigio after a long day, so why worry?

    However, JB's mention has reminded me of something else: my recollection of the Rugby World Cup home crowd at Murrayfield some years back very vigorously cheering one of the visiting teams during the England versus Japan match. Now that was stated to be nothing more than being particularly hospitable to a tea coming from far away and with far less support than their opponents, but was it seen that way? And the interesting thing about that is that the demographic which reputedly plays rugby is not (also reputedly), let's say, very SNP-friendly. So if we were doing that, and also busily voting Labour and Tory while digging up Wembley to improve our backyairds, what does that say about the relation of supporting England (of whom Mr Salmond is the best known Scottish supporter, BTW) or otherwise?

    No-one can speak Internet Scots like you Carnynx!!! I honestly don't know how you do it. However, as ever, I am drunk, and pick the easy target-


    [(of whom Mr Salmond is the best known Scottish supporter, BTW)]

    Where do you get this crap from???

    However, from one Pinot Grigio fan to another, Cheers/Sante/(insert from another language of your choice)


    The state propaganda agency, of course: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-27238623

    Much better for some stir fry washed down with Pinot Grigio and Australian Durif Shiraz ...

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    Boo, another Blackadder legend has died

    Actress Patsy Byrne – aka Blackadder’s Nursie – dies aged 80

    http://metro.co.uk/2014/06/21/actress-patsy-byrne-aka-blackadders-nursie-dies-aged-80-4770979/
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    Carnyx - So you were being sarcastic and hoping that everyone will have previously read that link?? As good as us PBers are I think you may be placing too much faith in us.
  • audreyanneaudreyanne Posts: 1,376
    'Fanciful rubbish' seems pretty strong language for a pb thread header and by the owner of this site. A little pause for a more measured approach wouldn't do any harm. Besides, wasn't 'fanciful rubbish' also used by the same source for the bloke who said he thought the Conservatives might win the 2015 GE?
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976

    Labour had to make a choice between crap and shit and they chose crap.

    You are forgetting that Ed Balls also stood for the leadership race - add 'crap' and' more crap'.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,336
    JBriskin said:

    Carnyx - So you were being sarcastic and hoping that everyone will have previously read that link?? As good as us PBers are I think you may be placing too much faith in us.

    Not in the least intended to be sarcastic, but it did surprise me a tiny bit that nobody on PB seemed to remember that!

    Anyway, life's too short to worry too much about footy. A decent Australian shiraz always makes me remember a day out to which we treated ourselves in Oz - one of those upmarket tours with a guide. We'd been decanted from the 4x4 and told to wander along while the guide cooked lunch, and I managed to spot the koalas getting their z's in the tree forks before a very nice steak or two and some Shiraz just a little warm from the sun. And I saw an echidna. Definitely a red-letter day. Monotremes are far more important than footy.

  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    [Anyway, life's too short to worry too much about footy.]

    It's true!!! But I like footy and it's on the telly on a Saturday night - Ms Briskin supports Ghana as being from the continent of her birth (probably) - I support Germany on the basis of their sexy accents (opinion) - Who will win???
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,336
    JBriskin said:

    [Anyway, life's too short to worry too much about footy.]

    It's true!!! But I like footy and it's on the telly on a Saturday night - Ms Briskin supports Ghana as being from the continent of her birth (probably) - I support Germany on the basis of their sexy accents (opinion) - Who will win???

    Excellent. You like it and you are not worried about who will win. Makes life so much easier. A true postmodernist, ironist Tartan Army Scot.

    And on the same trip we also saw a platypus swimming in the twilight - so I am also happy. (As well as having a few more glasses than I perhaps should have.)

  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    Carnyx said:

    JBriskin said:

    [Anyway, life's too short to worry too much about footy.]

    It's true!!! But I like footy and it's on the telly on a Saturday night - Ms Briskin supports Ghana as being from the continent of her birth (probably) - I support Germany on the basis of their sexy accents (opinion) - Who will win???

    Excellent. You like it and you are not worried about who will win. Makes life so much easier. A true postmodernist, ironist Tartan Army Scot.

    And on the same trip we also saw a platypus swimming in the twilight - so I am also happy. (As well as having a few more glasses than I perhaps should have.)

    I like to think of myself as Dadaist - but I admit to getting confused with the long words in books sometimes.

  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    Great article by Mike, exactly right.

    Hope all are well.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Counterfactual: if David had won, polling now would show a majority thinking Ed would be better.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Tonights Observer poll LAB 346 CON 255 LD 21 Other 28 (UKPR)

    Ed is crap is PM Less than 11 months to go.

    In fact every June Poll results in Ed is crap is PM
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    The low point for the Ed is Crap brigade was surely that bacon sandwich garbage.

    Schoolyard stuff at it's worst. Every last one of us would look "weird" eating a sarnie if selected from 1,000 stills. If you watch the tape, he looks perfectly normal.

  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    [If you watch the tape, he looks perfectly normal.]

    He really didn't.
  • IOSIOS Posts: 1,450
    Fitalass

    More often than not leaders / visits are a waste of everyone's time and don't help win you votes. Amazed that you manage to find such a positive.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    JBriskin said:

    [If you watch the tape, he looks perfectly normal.]

    He really didn't.

    Watch the tape what does that mean. Are you from yesteryear? LOL

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    Pulpstar said:
    It's fine, the rumours keep on coming, last week it was Real Madrid.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Someone actually wrote that the Tories might win GE2015 ? What fanciful rubbish !
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