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  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    EU loves ukip ;-)


    Nick Sutton ✔ @suttonnick

    Tuesday's Times front page - "Europe tells Britain to increase taxes" #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers pic.twitter.com/j53DrpceSf

    Is this story

    George Osborne’s flagship Help to Buy scheme must be reined in and council tax should be increased to stop house prices getting out of control, the European Commission has said.

    In a dramatic intervention in UK Government policy, the commission called on the Chancellor to “deploy appropriate measures” because of rising house prices, particularly in London.

    Mr Osborne should adjust the Help to Buy mortgage guarantee scheme and increase council tax on expensive properties, the commission said.

    The suggestion that Help to Buy is fuelling a potentially damaging property boom will anger ministers and comes as David Cameron prepares to reform Britain’s relationship with the European Union before holding an in-out referendum in 2017.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/houseprices/10870950/George-Osborne-told-to-rein-in-Help-to-Buy-by-European-Commission.html
    Though the title is bad press, I agree on the details.
    Artificially blowing a property bubble for political gain is bad economics.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    A Polish friend of mine converted me to the pleasures of Bisongrass; seved straight from the freezer in iced glasses.

    Not for when working the next day!
    AveryLP said:

    @Richard_Tyndall

    Have you got drunk on bison weed (or grass) flavoured Vodka?

    If not here is the link to purchase:

    http://bit.ly/1hSwhQe

    All I shall say is that it needs "an acquired taste"

  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789

    EU loves ukip ;-)


    Nick Sutton ✔ @suttonnick

    Tuesday's Times front page - "Europe tells Britain to increase taxes" #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers pic.twitter.com/j53DrpceSf

    Is this story

    George Osborne’s flagship Help to Buy scheme must be reined in and council tax should be increased to stop house prices getting out of control, the European Commission has said.

    In a dramatic intervention in UK Government policy, the commission called on the Chancellor to “deploy appropriate measures” because of rising house prices, particularly in London.

    Mr Osborne should adjust the Help to Buy mortgage guarantee scheme and increase council tax on expensive properties, the commission said.

    The suggestion that Help to Buy is fuelling a potentially damaging property boom will anger ministers and comes as David Cameron prepares to reform Britain’s relationship with the European Union before holding an in-out referendum in 2017.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/houseprices/10870950/George-Osborne-told-to-rein-in-Help-to-Buy-by-European-Commission.html
    My sense is that the housing market down here is cooling off. There is some talk of falling prices in the most overheated areas.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,376
    So what's happening to the Con vote?

    Definitely seems to have gone south in the past week. Just a bit of Post Election UKIP afterglow or something more serious?
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Seen the Ashcroft national poll = lol ,lets hope YouGov poll will calm the tory nerves ;-)

    At 25% was the lowest Conservative share in a national poll since December 2001.
    Gin,tories have got to love bomb the voters and not to do this ;-)

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10868019/Anna-Soubry-Some-people-with-immigration-concerns-are-frankly-racist.html
    I assume that's Ms Soubry finished, but at least it means NP will be MP once more!

    Don't know,I've got the feeling Mr palmer thinks it rather than say it ;-)

    Point of order - I believe it is Dr Palmer ;-)
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    GIN1138 said:

    So what's happening to the Con vote?

    Definitely seems to have gone south in the past week. Just a bit of Post Election UKIP afterglow or something more serious?

    I think its the euros.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    ToryJim said:

    EU loves ukip ;-)


    Nick Sutton ✔ @suttonnick

    Tuesday's Times front page - "Europe tells Britain to increase taxes" #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers pic.twitter.com/j53DrpceSf

    Is this story

    George Osborne’s flagship Help to Buy scheme must be reined in and council tax should be increased to stop house prices getting out of control, the European Commission has said.

    In a dramatic intervention in UK Government policy, the commission called on the Chancellor to “deploy appropriate measures” because of rising house prices, particularly in London.

    Mr Osborne should adjust the Help to Buy mortgage guarantee scheme and increase council tax on expensive properties, the commission said.

    The suggestion that Help to Buy is fuelling a potentially damaging property boom will anger ministers and comes as David Cameron prepares to reform Britain’s relationship with the European Union before holding an in-out referendum in 2017.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/houseprices/10870950/George-Osborne-told-to-rein-in-Help-to-Buy-by-European-Commission.html
    I think the Treasury will raise the two finger salute.
    The Commission retaliating at the the reported bluntness of Cameron's language about the probable next Commission President? EU leaders surely know what the public response to such intervention will be, even if it is sound advice as neutrally put as possible, and they would also surely make that point known to this government and others less dramatically (and thus more likely to find an amenable audience in national governments) if all they wanted was to get the point across.
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Seen the Ashcroft national poll = lol ,lets hope YouGov poll will calm the tory nerves ;-)

    At 25% was the lowest Conservative share in a national poll since December 2001.
    Gin,tories have got to love bomb the voters and not to do this ;-)

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10868019/Anna-Soubry-Some-people-with-immigration-concerns-are-frankly-racist.html
    I assume that's Ms Soubry finished, but at least it means NP will be MP once more!

    That's a good thing?

    After yesterday and the pensions fiasco I cannot believe he has the nerve to even stand.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,376
    BobaFett said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Seen the Ashcroft national poll = lol ,lets hope YouGov poll will calm the tory nerves ;-)

    At 25% was the lowest Conservative share in a national poll since December 2001.
    Gin,tories have got to love bomb the voters and not to do this ;-)

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10868019/Anna-Soubry-Some-people-with-immigration-concerns-are-frankly-racist.html
    I assume that's Ms Soubry finished, but at least it means NP will be MP once more!

    Don't know,I've got the feeling Mr palmer thinks it rather than say it ;-)

    Point of order - I believe it is Dr Palmer ;-)
    Given some of the things he's been called on here (especially by Sean T) I think he'll be happy with Mr. ;)

  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789

    BobaFett said:

    BobaFett said:

    Sun Politics ‏@Sun_Politics 1m

    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by six points: CON 30%, LAB 36%, LD 8%, UKIP 17%

    Yep,the Ashcroft poll could be on to something,tories going backwards,newark is a must win now.
    Easy Tory hold (and this is not reverse ramping - I predicted it a few days ago on here, once we saw the first poll)

    The anti Tory vote is split - most Labourites won't lend their vote to Kip as they'd rather have the Tory than Helmer.

    I actually agree with Avery for once. A Richard Tyndall-style figure would have been a much better choice in the seat.
    Well bob,if the tories don't win Newark,I will just leave this -

    ConservativeHome @ConHome

    Theresa May storms to a 12-point lead over Boris in @ConHome's future leader poll http://bit.ly/1nIHLxD

    ;-)

    Is this a proper poll or a voodoo?

    Over 1050 party members responded to the survey. Their responses are checked against a control panel supplied by YouGov
    I read that but it sounds quasi-voodoo to me. In any event I think it's fair to say that ConHome readers are atypical not just of Tory members but very atypical of the public!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,112
    ToryJim said:



    I think the Treasury will raise the two finger salute.

    "Stick it up your Juncker!" :)
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,376
    edited June 2014

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Seen the Ashcroft national poll = lol ,lets hope YouGov poll will calm the tory nerves ;-)

    At 25% was the lowest Conservative share in a national poll since December 2001.
    Gin,tories have got to love bomb the voters and not to do this ;-)

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10868019/Anna-Soubry-Some-people-with-immigration-concerns-are-frankly-racist.html
    I assume that's Ms Soubry finished, but at least it means NP will be MP once more!

    That's a good thing?

    After yesterday and the pensions fiasco I cannot believe he has the nerve to even stand.
    I've softened towards Mr/Dr Palmer in the past year or so and I've no time for Anna Soubry really, so I'd not be unhappy to see Nick P back in.

    I have a feeling he was a pretty good/respected MP and looked after his constituents fairly well - He certainly seemed to generate quite a big personal vote in Broxtowe.

    He by and large kept out of the expense's upheaval as well I think?

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578

    Just watched the latest episode of Game of Thrones.

    Bloody hell, that has to be the most violent scene in TV history.

    I had wondered how they would choose to handle that particular moment from the books. Even more viscerally than in my imagination as it turns out. The show generally seems to focus on an overall bleak and terrible tone to create the appropriate atmosphere most of the time, but they do seem to save up some money shots to good effect a couple of times a season. Yikes.

  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789

    AveryLP said:

    AveryLP said:

    FPT (and to counter Avery's ill informed thrashing about)

    ThomasNashe said:

    If you were better informed, Richard, you would have referred to the Polish/Ukrainian dish of 'hunter's stew' as "bigos". See, Avery can be useful at times!

    As to selection of candidate for the Newark by election, fortune favours the bold, and Farage's best opportunity would have been to ride the crest of the Euros wave and put his personal future at risk for the benefit of the party. All the reasons you set out for the constituency being infertile ground for the kippers are true, but Farage had a chance he is unlikely to get again to contend.

    My personal preference for candidate would have been a kipper like you. A non-racist, non-populist who can put a reasonable argument to the electorate intelligently.

    But there you go. You and the Faragists make odd bed-fellows.
    Perhaps the difference Avery is that I actually eat the stuff rather than just looking up the name on the internet. :-)

    You really should try it. On its own it would make a pretty good argument for Polish migration. Combined with Polish Spirit it would almost be enough to make me vote for a Europhile like Cameron... but not quite. :-)
    Oh I have eaten it many times, Richard.

    Remember I spent two decades knocking about Eastern Europe and ate Bigos throughout Poland, Russian, Belarus and the Ukraine both in restaurants and private homes.

    Curiously though the first time I encountered it was at dinner in Les Ambassadeurs Club in Hamilton Place off Park Lane. It was in the days of it being a Gentlemen's Club rather than its current role as an upmarket casino. The founder of the Club, a businessman called John Mills, was of Polish origin and I guess this was the reason for the menu choice.

    Bigos in its most exalted form, with lumps of sausage, venison, wild boar etc. swimming around in your dish can be a bit overkill though. My preference in Polish dishes would be for a cabbage roll stuffed with a single meat, variously called Golabki or Galumpkis or variants upon such theme..
    Oh no no no. Bigos that has been cooked and frozen and then recooked a few times until all the cabbage has dissolved and the meat melts in your mouth is better than almost any dish on earth.
    Isn't that a classic culinary health hazard, repeated reheating?

    That said I know you Kippers don't set much stall by 'elf and safety ;-)
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,030

    ToryJim said:



    I think the Treasury will raise the two finger salute.

    "Stick it up your Juncker!" :)
    "Up yours Delors" has to be one of the best!
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Roger Helmer ‏@RogerHelmerMEP 57m
    Agence France journo in Newark: "I want to interview someone who isn't voting UKIP, but I can't find anyone".

    Make of that what you will, but something tells me that the good Lord has made an error that may come back to haunt him.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    That EU Commission speaks a good deal of sense...
    Speedy said:

    EU loves ukip ;-)


    Nick Sutton ✔ @suttonnick

    Tuesday's Times front page - "Europe tells Britain to increase taxes" #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers pic.twitter.com/j53DrpceSf

    Is this story

    George Osborne’s flagship Help to Buy scheme must be reined in and council tax should be increased to stop house prices getting out of control, the European Commission has said.

    In a dramatic intervention in UK Government policy, the commission called on the Chancellor to “deploy appropriate measures” because of rising house prices, particularly in London.

    Mr Osborne should adjust the Help to Buy mortgage guarantee scheme and increase council tax on expensive properties, the commission said.

    The suggestion that Help to Buy is fuelling a potentially damaging property boom will anger ministers and comes as David Cameron prepares to reform Britain’s relationship with the European Union before holding an in-out referendum in 2017.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/houseprices/10870950/George-Osborne-told-to-rein-in-Help-to-Buy-by-European-Commission.html
    Though the title is bad press, I agree on the details.
    Artificially blowing a property bubble for political gain is bad economics.
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Seen the Ashcroft national poll = lol ,lets hope YouGov poll will calm the tory nerves ;-)

    At 25% was the lowest Conservative share in a national poll since December 2001.
    Gin,tories have got to love bomb the voters and not to do this ;-)

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10868019/Anna-Soubry-Some-people-with-immigration-concerns-are-frankly-racist.html
    I assume that's Ms Soubry finished, but at least it means NP will be MP once more!

    That's a good thing?

    After yesterday and the pensions fiasco I cannot believe he has the nerve to even stand.
    Seems somewhat harsh Nigel. What exactly has he done to receive such ire from you?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,030

    Just watched the latest episode of Game of Thrones.

    Bloody hell, that has to be the most violent scene in TV history.

    No spoilers, please. I haven't watched the latest season (and haven't read the books either...)!!
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    RobD said:

    ToryJim said:



    I think the Treasury will raise the two finger salute.

    "Stick it up your Juncker!" :)
    "Up yours Delors" has to be one of the best!
    Whatever else, The Sun do come up with cracking headlines from time to time.
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    GIN1138 said:

    BobaFett said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Seen the Ashcroft national poll = lol ,lets hope YouGov poll will calm the tory nerves ;-)

    At 25% was the lowest Conservative share in a national poll since December 2001.
    Gin,tories have got to love bomb the voters and not to do this ;-)

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10868019/Anna-Soubry-Some-people-with-immigration-concerns-are-frankly-racist.html
    I assume that's Ms Soubry finished, but at least it means NP will be MP once more!

    Don't know,I've got the feeling Mr palmer thinks it rather than say it ;-)

    Point of order - I believe it is Dr Palmer ;-)
    Given some of the things he's been called on here (especially by Sean T) I think he'll be happy with Mr. ;)

    Fair point!
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,808

    OT: sad to see that the Right in America, having failed to make the (possibly reasonable) argument against prisoner swaps are falling back on simply trashing the reputation of the soldier as if to say he wasn't worth saving.

    Whatever the truth of how he was captured or his views on the war, the GOP and Tea Party really are showing themselves to be pretty despicable at the moment.

    The real story here is surely that 'The West' (read the US) is so keen to get its military feet under the table in Nigeria that it vetoed the proposed exchange of some Boko Haram prisoners for all of the 200 #BringBackOurGirls kidnap victims. Ostensibly because 'we don't do deals with terrorists'. Yet days later they turn around and do the same thing for just one of their own.

    It is breathtakingly cynical hypocrisy.

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,958
    RobD said:

    Just watched the latest episode of Game of Thrones.

    Bloody hell, that has to be the most violent scene in TV history.

    No spoilers, please. I haven't watched the latest season (and haven't read the books either...)!!
    Is a standing PB rule. I would never spoil Game of Thrones or Homeland for PBers.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    GIN1138 said:

    So what's happening to the Con vote?

    Definitely seems to have gone south in the past week. Just a bit of Post Election UKIP afterglow or something more serious?

    Could be both? That is, the scale of UKIP's Euro achievement and confidence of its adherents that their vote will hold up, has made several people who had been tempted back to the Tory fold on the basis of fearing an Ed M victory decide that the size of the UKIP vote meant that there was no chance of preventing that, so might as well vote with the heart and go with UKIP after all.
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    ToryJim said:
    Can Brogan point me to the bookies that are offering 100s on a Tory majority????
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited June 2014
    ToryJim said:
    Nice article on the dangers of short sightedness in politics.

    " Some Tories I know have taken odds of 100-1 for an outright majority" "First, the Lib Dems’ troubles should not be a cause of rejoicing. Despite their internal chaos, the likelihood must be that they will do better than 6 per cent next year and hold up to 40 seats"

    And then we wonder why people like Nick Clegg are still in place.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited June 2014
    @Richard_Tyndall & @foxinsoxuk

    Another Polish drink to savour is Gdanska Zlotowka or "Gdansk gold". It is a sweet transparent sticky liqueur in which flakes of 22 carat gold are suspended.

    In fact it is not Polish at all, being a Prussian drink properly called Danziger Goldwasser. When the Germans were ousted from Gdansk after the first world war the original manufacturer, founded by a Dutch Mennonite, opened a second factory in Berlin.

    The drink was said to be a favourite of Catherine the Great.

    I imagine it is also Nick Palmer's secret tipple, being more discreet for a socialist than champagne and hailing from the city where he has family connections.

    see: http://bit.ly/1hsX8rx
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,958
    edited June 2014
    BobaFett said:

    ToryJim said:
    Can Brogan point me to the bookies that are offering 100s on a Tory majority????
    Is as mythical as the punters that put on a 8 grand on a Newark bet, but the same bookie restrict me to less than a tenner on the same bet.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,030

    RobD said:

    Just watched the latest episode of Game of Thrones.

    Bloody hell, that has to be the most violent scene in TV history.

    No spoilers, please. I haven't watched the latest season (and haven't read the books either...)!!
    Is a standing PB rule. I would never spoil Game of Thrones or Homeland for PBers.
    As elected dictator, I assume you would make it punishable by death?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,958
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Just watched the latest episode of Game of Thrones.

    Bloody hell, that has to be the most violent scene in TV history.

    No spoilers, please. I haven't watched the latest season (and haven't read the books either...)!!
    Is a standing PB rule. I would never spoil Game of Thrones or Homeland for PBers.
    As elected dictator, I assume you would make it punishable by death?
    Yes, some tosspot friend spoiled the last season of Homeland for me.

    I really do want to get my revenge on him.
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789

    BobaFett said:

    ToryJim said:
    Can Brogan point me to the bookies that are offering 100s on a Tory majority????
    Is as mythical as the punters that put on a 8 grand on a Newark bet, but the same bookie restrict me to less than a tenner on the same bet.
    Indeed. I saw that claim earlier and thought 'hmm'.

    I can only assume that Brogan knows absolutely nothing about betting, and assumes that none of his readers do - what other explanation is there for him writing such obvious garbage?
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited June 2014
    Odd, there seems to be remarkably little interest in the Scottish poll amongst the good denizens of PB tonight. Apparently this poll is good news for the Yes side.

    Well, the good news for the Yes side is that, eliminating Don't Knows, amongst all voters expressing a view, the No side are winning by 60% to 40%. It won't be much consolation that, of those saying they are certain to vote, the No side are winning by 60% to 40%. Still, look on the bright side: eliminating those who express no tilt, those who say they are undecided are tilting towards the No side by a more encouraging 58% to 42%.
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    Speedy said:

    ToryJim said:
    Nice article on the dangers of short sightedness in politics.

    " Some Tories I know have taken odds of 100-1 for an outright majority" "First, the Lib Dems’ troubles should not be a cause of rejoicing. Despite their internal chaos, the likelihood must be that they will do better than 6 per cent next year and hold up to 40 seats"

    And then we wonder why people like Nick Clegg are still in place.
    That paragraph is weakened somewhat by the fact that such generous odds on a Tory majority are entirely fictional.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    John Curtice' 'Poll of Polls' shows 58:42 to No.....that's quite a hill to climb....

    http://blog.whatscotlandthinks.org/2014/06/poll-of-polls-1-june/

    And as TSE observes, minds are being made up - and unlikely to change:

    ....Second, fewer people than ever before, just 18% of all those with a voting intention, now say that they might change their mind. That represents a drop of no less than eight points as compared with Ipsos MORI’s last poll in February and no less than 12 points as compared with September last year. It seems that minds are beginning to be made up – which for the side that is still behind in the polls could be thought to be unwelcome news.

    http://blog.whatscotlandthinks.org/2014/06/ipsos-mori-come-into-line/
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578

    Odd, there seems to be remarkably little interest in the Scottish poll amongst the good denizens of PB tonight.
    .

    For my part, the Scottish referendum just wears me out at this point.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,030

    Odd, there seems to be remarkably little interest in the Scottish poll amongst the good denizens of PB tonight. Apparently this poll is good news for the Yes side.

    Well, the good news for the Yes side is that, eliminating Don't Knows, amongst all voters expressing a view, the No side are winning by 60% to 40%. It won't be much consolation that, of those saying they are certain to vote, the No side are winning by 60% to 40%. Still, look on the bright side: eliminating those who express no tilt, those who say they are undecided are tilting towards the No side by a more encouraging 58% to 42%.

    And it looks as though the undecideds are breaking marginally more towards 'No'.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    Odd, there seems to be remarkably little interest in the Scottish poll amongst the good denizens of PB tonight. Apparently this poll is good news for the Yes side.

    They're 'peeing in their breeks' with excitement over on a websitewhichshallnotbenamed.......bless......

  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    GIN1138 said:

    So what's happening to the Con vote?

    Definitely seems to have gone south in the past week. Just a bit of Post Election UKIP afterglow or something more serious?

    Morning after the night before, GIN.

    The guilt will fade quickly.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,030

    Odd, there seems to be remarkably little interest in the Scottish poll amongst the good denizens of PB tonight. Apparently this poll is good news for the Yes side.

    They're 'peeing in their breeks' with excitement over on a websitewhichshallnotbenamed.......bless......

    Wouldn't you describe the Newark poll as a breakthrough for UKIP?

    *innocent face*
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Anyway we wont know if its YES or NO for the indyref until one week before the vote, what we do know now is that the polls are still stable at a 15-20 point win for NO and the scottish public must be a little bored after 2 years of non stop political campaigning.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,529

    Just watched the latest episode of Game of Thrones.

    Bloody hell, that has to be the most violent scene in TV history.

    But, there's worse to come, as one reaches the end of A Storm of Swords.


  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    edited June 2014
    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Seen the Ashcroft national poll = lol ,lets hope YouGov poll will calm the tory nerves ;-)

    At 25% was the lowest Conservative share in a national poll since December 2001.
    Gin,tories have got to love bomb the voters and not to do this ;-)

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10868019/Anna-Soubry-Some-people-with-immigration-concerns-are-frankly-racist.html
    I assume that's Ms Soubry finished, but at least it means NP will be MP once more!

    That's a good thing?

    After yesterday and the pensions fiasco I cannot believe he has the nerve to even stand.
    I've softened towards Mr/Dr Palmer in the past year or so and I've no time for Anna Soubry really, so I'd not be unhappy to see Nick P back in.

    I have a feeling he was a pretty good/respected MP and looked after his constituents fairly well - He certainly seemed to generate quite a big personal vote in Broxtowe.

    He by and large kept out of the expense's upheaval as well I think?

    To quote a better poet than me:

    He always voted at his party's call
    And never thought of thinking for himself at all
    He thought so little, they rewarded he.
    By making him the Ruler of the Queen's Navee

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpJ_IAUs8nI
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    An interesting observation from John Curtice on the frequent Nat claim that 'the pollsters underestimated the SNP in 2011 and are underestimating Yes now':

    contrary to popular myth the polls did not systematically underestimate SNP strength [in 2011]... what they underestimated was the party’s performance on the list vote, a vote that the polls always struggle to get right because of an apparent tendency for respondents to state their second preference.

    http://blog.whatscotlandthinks.org/2014/05/implications-of-the-euro-result-in-scotland/
  • BlueberryBlueberry Posts: 408

    BobaFett said:

    ToryJim said:
    Can Brogan point me to the bookies that are offering 100s on a Tory majority????
    Is as mythical as the punters that put on a 8 grand on a Newark bet, but the same bookie restrict me to less than a tenner on the same bet.
    Here's the press release for that HIlls £8,000 bet. Perhaps the more unbelievable aspect of the story is that someone risked 93p on the Lim Dems.

    .....
    £8000 BET FOR TORIES TO WIN BY ELECTION

    Bookies William Hill have taken an £8000 bet for the Conservatives to win the Newark by-election – for which they are now 2/9 favourites. ‘The bet was placed online by a client from Coventry, who will make a profit of £2000 if it proves successful as his bet was struck at odds of 1/ 4’ said Hill’s spokesman Graham Sharpe.
    The largest bet taken for second favourites, UKIP, is one of £200 and they are currently quoted at 3/1; while Labour have attracted a bet of £100 – although when that was struck their odds were 4/1 and they have now drifted out to 16/1 third favourites.
    The Lib Dems are offered at 250/1 – and the biggest stake risked on them so far is 93p. ‘The 93p bet represents 50% of all bets on the Lib Dems – the other one was for 50p’ added Sharpe.
    .....
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189

    Odd, there seems to be remarkably little interest in the Scottish poll amongst the good denizens of PB tonight. Apparently this poll is good news for the Yes side.

    Well, the good news for the Yes side is that, eliminating Don't Knows, amongst all voters expressing a view, the No side are winning by 60% to 40%. It won't be much consolation that, of those saying they are certain to vote, the No side are winning by 60% to 40%. Still, look on the bright side: eliminating those who express no tilt, those who say they are undecided are tilting towards the No side by a more encouraging 58% to 42%.

    I'm actually turning my mind to what happens if that result pans out, because I can't help but think there will be fallout for the major Yes cheerleaders. It could also temporarily alter electoral geography in Scotland. I find it hard to believe that everything would carry on as usual when the SNP raison d'être had been torpedoed.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    For some bizarre reason, the CEO of BAE Systems seems to think its the MOD that will decide where British warships will get built, and not Alex Salmond.....

    Mr King said the company was "investing in facilities for the future" in Scotland "based on an expectation that the Government will make their major production decision for the next generation Type 26 frigate by the end of this year".

    He said: "If Scotland became independent, we would no longer have that certainty and stability.

    "We would then have to talk to our major UK customer, the Ministry of Defence, and jointly work out a plan for the future."


    https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/scots-independence-bae-systems-chiefs-072217192.html
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,958

    An interesting observation from John Curtice on the frequent Nat claim that 'the pollsters underestimated the SNP in 2011 and are underestimating Yes now':

    contrary to popular myth the polls did not systematically underestimate SNP strength [in 2011]... what they underestimated was the party’s performance on the list vote, a vote that the polls always struggle to get right because of an apparent tendency for respondents to state their second preference.

    http://blog.whatscotlandthinks.org/2014/05/implications-of-the-euro-result-in-scotland/

    He's wrong, In Feb/March 2011, YouGov, Ipsos-Mori, TNS, ICM had the SNP on the Holyrood Constituency between 29 and 38.

    Ultimately the SNP polled over 45%
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,529

    Odd, there seems to be remarkably little interest in the Scottish poll amongst the good denizens of PB tonight. Apparently this poll is good news for the Yes side.

    Well, the good news for the Yes side is that, eliminating Don't Knows, amongst all voters expressing a view, the No side are winning by 60% to 40%. It won't be much consolation that, of those saying they are certain to vote, the No side are winning by 60% to 40%. Still, look on the bright side: eliminating those who express no tilt, those who say they are undecided are tilting towards the No side by a more encouraging 58% to 42%.

    It looks like it's all over bar the shouting, now. Ulster Unionists enjoyed a thumping win, last week. Scottish Unionists will enjoy a thumping win, in September.

  • VerulamiusVerulamius Posts: 1,549
    The european commission today published they annual review of each member states economies with recommendations of how to improve. The UK has an opt out, but we still get non binding recommendations.

    http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-14-623_en.htm gives a summary across Europe and http://ec.europa.eu/europe2020/europe-2020-in-your-country/united-kingdom/country-specific-recommendations/index_en.htm provides the UK specific detail.

    UK does come off fairly lightly, compared with France and Italy.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,561
    AveryLP said:

    @Richard_Tyndall & @foxinsoxuk

    Another Polish drink to savour is Gdanska Zlotowka or "Gdansk gold". It is a sweet transparent sticky liqueur in which flakes of 22 carat gold are suspended.
    I imagine it is also Nick Palmer's secret tipple, being more discreet for a socialist than champagne and hailing from the city where he has family connections.

    see: http://bit.ly/1hsX8rx

    Er...it's a nice thought.
    However, I've just discovered Danish lumpfish caviar in Waitrose at £1.90 a jar - tastes just like the real thing to me, so will satisfy my outlandish tastes with that.
    RobD said:

    Just watched the latest episode of Game of Thrones.

    Bloody hell, that has to be the most violent scene in TV history.

    No spoilers, please. I haven't watched the latest season (and haven't read the books either...)!!
    The butler did it. Sorry.
    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Seen the Ashcroft national poll = lol ,lets hope YouGov poll will calm the tory nerves ;-)

    At 25% was the lowest Conservative share in a national poll since December 2001.
    Gin,tories have got to love bomb the voters and not to do this ;-)

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10868019/Anna-Soubry-Some-people-with-immigration-concerns-are-frankly-racist.html
    I assume that's Ms Soubry finished, but at least it means NP will be MP once more!

    That's a good thing?

    After yesterday and the pensions fiasco I cannot believe he has the nerve to even stand.
    I've softened towards Mr/Dr Palmer in the past year or so and I've no time for Anna Soubry really, so I'd not be unhappy to see Nick P back in.

    I have a feeling he was a pretty good/respected MP and looked after his constituents fairly well - He certainly seemed to generate quite a big personal vote in Broxtowe.

    He by and large kept out of the expense's upheaval as well I think?

    Thanks, Gin. Yes, expenses investigation confirmed no issues. Basically I used the rent allowance to rent a flat. When I lost I stopped renting the flat. End of.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    ToryJim said:

    I'm actually turning my mind to what happens if that result pans out, because I can't help but think there will be fallout for the major Yes cheerleaders. It could also temporarily alter electoral geography in Scotland. I find it hard to believe that everything would carry on as usual when the SNP raison d'être had been torpedoed.

    Well, we'd be in largely uncharted territory, at least as far as the UK is concerned, but my opinion FWIW is that not much will change in terms of Westminster and Holyrood voting intentions. Although the SNP will in one sense have taken a severe hit, this is a zero-sum game, and who else is going to benefit? Scottish Labour seem to be in disarray, and, even if they end up on the winning side, they seem to have lost their mojo. The LibDems, well, the less said the kinder. The Tories seem to be on the up - a bit - but, realistically, will be doing well if they can scrape a few points increase in vote share.

    Perversely, I think the net beneficiaries, even in the event of a No, will be the SNP. I think Scottish voters would like to vote Yes with their hearts, but will vote No with their wallets. Those are not bad conditions for the SNP, as the party which 'stands up for Scotland', to continue to do well.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    BobaFett said:

    ToryJim said:
    Can Brogan point me to the bookies that are offering 100s on a Tory majority????
    Is as mythical as the punters that put on a 8 grand on a Newark bet, but the same bookie restrict me to less than a tenner on the same bet.
    Is tonight a UKIP PB with You Gov?
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    Blueberry said:

    BobaFett said:

    ToryJim said:
    Can Brogan point me to the bookies that are offering 100s on a Tory majority????
    Is as mythical as the punters that put on a 8 grand on a Newark bet, but the same bookie restrict me to less than a tenner on the same bet.
    Here's the press release for that HIlls £8,000 bet. Perhaps the more unbelievable aspect of the story is that someone risked 93p on the Lim Dems.

    .....
    £8000 BET FOR TORIES TO WIN BY ELECTION

    Bookies William Hill have taken an £8000 bet for the Conservatives to win the Newark by-election – for which they are now 2/9 favourites. ‘The bet was placed online by a client from Coventry, who will make a profit of £2000 if it proves successful as his bet was struck at odds of 1/ 4’ said Hill’s spokesman Graham Sharpe.
    The largest bet taken for second favourites, UKIP, is one of £200 and they are currently quoted at 3/1; while Labour have attracted a bet of £100 – although when that was struck their odds were 4/1 and they have now drifted out to 16/1 third favourites.
    The Lib Dems are offered at 250/1 – and the biggest stake risked on them so far is 93p. ‘The 93p bet represents 50% of all bets on the Lib Dems – the other one was for 50p’ added Sharpe.
    .....
    "Perhaps the more unbelievable aspect of the story is that someone risked 93p on the Lim Dems."

    Surely some kind of micro money-laundering scam?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,112
    Sean_F said:

    Odd, there seems to be remarkably little interest in the Scottish poll amongst the good denizens of PB tonight. Apparently this poll is good news for the Yes side.

    Well, the good news for the Yes side is that, eliminating Don't Knows, amongst all voters expressing a view, the No side are winning by 60% to 40%. It won't be much consolation that, of those saying they are certain to vote, the No side are winning by 60% to 40%. Still, look on the bright side: eliminating those who express no tilt, those who say they are undecided are tilting towards the No side by a more encouraging 58% to 42%.

    It looks like it's all over bar the shouting, now. Ulster Unionists enjoyed a thumping win, last week. Scottish Unionists will enjoy a thumping win, in September.

    Didn't the UUP come third in the NI Euro election?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578

    ToryJim said:

    I'm actually turning my mind to what happens if that result pans out, because I can't help but think there will be fallout for the major Yes cheerleaders. It could also temporarily alter electoral geography in Scotland. I find it hard to believe that everything would carry on as usual when the SNP raison d'être had been torpedoed.


    Perversely, I think the net beneficiaries, even in the event of a No, will be the SNP. I think Scottish voters would like to vote Yes with their hearts, but will vote No with their wallets. Those are not bad conditions for the SNP, as the party which 'stands up for Scotland', to continue to do well.
    Could be. The SNP might be regarded as even more necessary in the event of a No vote, if they can continue to secure the 'stands up for Scotland' policy, to make sure that even though the Scots did not feel ready to vote Yes, that they are not taken advantage of, intentionally or otherwise, by triumphant Westminster unionists.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,958
    Blueberry said:

    BobaFett said:

    ToryJim said:
    Can Brogan point me to the bookies that are offering 100s on a Tory majority????
    Is as mythical as the punters that put on a 8 grand on a Newark bet, but the same bookie restrict me to less than a tenner on the same bet.
    Here's the press release for that HIlls £8,000 bet. Perhaps the more unbelievable aspect of the story is that someone risked 93p on the Lim Dems.

    .....
    £8000 BET FOR TORIES TO WIN BY ELECTION

    Bookies William Hill have taken an £8000 bet for the Conservatives to win the Newark by-election – for which they are now 2/9 favourites. ‘The bet was placed online by a client from Coventry, who will make a profit of £2000 if it proves successful as his bet was struck at odds of 1/ 4’ said Hill’s spokesman Graham Sharpe.
    The largest bet taken for second favourites, UKIP, is one of £200 and they are currently quoted at 3/1; while Labour have attracted a bet of £100 – although when that was struck their odds were 4/1 and they have now drifted out to 16/1 third favourites.
    The Lib Dems are offered at 250/1 – and the biggest stake risked on them so far is 93p. ‘The 93p bet represents 50% of all bets on the Lib Dems – the other one was for 50p’ added Sharpe.
    .....
    Still not as impressive as the chap that put 200k on the Indyref last year

    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/gambler-stakes-record-200000-scottish-1988684
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    Way o/t but this is intriguing, not so much in the size of the planet but in the fact that it seems to have formed early and seems to be confounding the scientists. I also like the term "Godzilla of earths"

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-27669572

    It does seem the more we investigate our universe the weirder it gets.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,958
    isam said:

    BobaFett said:

    ToryJim said:
    Can Brogan point me to the bookies that are offering 100s on a Tory majority????
    Is as mythical as the punters that put on a 8 grand on a Newark bet, but the same bookie restrict me to less than a tenner on the same bet.
    Is tonight a UKIP PB with You Gov?
    Huh?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    BobaFett said:

    ToryJim said:
    Can Brogan point me to the bookies that are offering 100s on a Tory majority????
    Is as mythical as the punters that put on a 8 grand on a Newark bet, but the same bookie restrict me to less than a tenner on the same bet.
    Is tonight a UKIP PB with You Gov?
    Huh?
    Sorry, Personal Best not Political Betting!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,112

    isam said:

    BobaFett said:

    ToryJim said:
    Can Brogan point me to the bookies that are offering 100s on a Tory majority????
    Is as mythical as the punters that put on a 8 grand on a Newark bet, but the same bookie restrict me to less than a tenner on the same bet.
    Is tonight a UKIP PB with You Gov?
    Huh?
    "Personal best"?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,030



    RobD said:

    Just watched the latest episode of Game of Thrones.

    Bloody hell, that has to be the most violent scene in TV history.

    No spoilers, please. I haven't watched the latest season (and haven't read the books either...)!!
    The butler did it. Sorry.
    That's it Nick, no vote for you from me :')
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189

    ToryJim said:

    I'm actually turning my mind to what happens if that result pans out, because I can't help but think there will be fallout for the major Yes cheerleaders. It could also temporarily alter electoral geography in Scotland. I find it hard to believe that everything would carry on as usual when the SNP raison d'être had been torpedoed.

    Well, we'd be in largely uncharted territory, at least as far as the UK is concerned, but my opinion FWIW is that not much will change in terms of Westminster and Holyrood voting intentions. Although the SNP will in one sense have taken a severe hit, this is a zero-sum game, and who else is going to benefit? Scottish Labour seem to be in disarray, and, even if they end up on the winning side, they seem to have lost their mojo. The LibDems, well, the less said the kinder. The Tories seem to be on the up - a bit - but, realistically, will be doing well if they can scrape a few points increase in vote share.

    Perversely, I think the net beneficiaries, even in the event of a No, will be the SNP. I think Scottish voters would like to vote Yes with their hearts, but will vote No with their wallets. Those are not bad conditions for the SNP, as the party which 'stands up for Scotland', to continue to do well.
    Possibly, I think the SNP might take a bigger hit on Holyrood share than Westminster but agree it may not be huge. I think Salmond would be under some pressure to go in order to allow the SNP to chart a new course. I think the GE in Scotland could be intriguing next year and certainly adds to the general unpredictability.
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789

    Blueberry said:

    BobaFett said:

    ToryJim said:
    Can Brogan point me to the bookies that are offering 100s on a Tory majority????
    Is as mythical as the punters that put on a 8 grand on a Newark bet, but the same bookie restrict me to less than a tenner on the same bet.
    Here's the press release for that HIlls £8,000 bet. Perhaps the more unbelievable aspect of the story is that someone risked 93p on the Lim Dems.

    .....
    £8000 BET FOR TORIES TO WIN BY ELECTION

    Bookies William Hill have taken an £8000 bet for the Conservatives to win the Newark by-election – for which they are now 2/9 favourites. ‘The bet was placed online by a client from Coventry, who will make a profit of £2000 if it proves successful as his bet was struck at odds of 1/ 4’ said Hill’s spokesman Graham Sharpe.
    The largest bet taken for second favourites, UKIP, is one of £200 and they are currently quoted at 3/1; while Labour have attracted a bet of £100 – although when that was struck their odds were 4/1 and they have now drifted out to 16/1 third favourites.
    The Lib Dems are offered at 250/1 – and the biggest stake risked on them so far is 93p. ‘The 93p bet represents 50% of all bets on the Lib Dems – the other one was for 50p’ added Sharpe.
    .....
    Still not as impressive as the chap that put 200k on the Indyref last year

    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/gambler-stakes-record-200000-scottish-1988684
    I don't know. Almost a quid on the Liberals up there is balls out behaviour. Kudos.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,958
    edited June 2014
    isam said:

    isam said:

    BobaFett said:

    ToryJim said:
    Can Brogan point me to the bookies that are offering 100s on a Tory majority????
    Is as mythical as the punters that put on a 8 grand on a Newark bet, but the same bookie restrict me to less than a tenner on the same bet.
    Is tonight a UKIP PB with You Gov?
    Huh?
    Sorry, Personal Best not Political Betting!
    Joint Personal best, they also polled 17% with YouGov on the 8th of May 2013
  • manofkent2014manofkent2014 Posts: 1,543
    Sometimes very little has to be added when it comes to the EU:

    George Osborne’s flagship Help to Buy scheme must be reined in and council tax should be increased to stop house prices getting out of control, the European Commission has said.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/houseprices/10870950/George-Osborne-told-to-rein-in-Help-to-Buy-by-European-Commission.html

  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Danish Lumpfish Caviar is not bad at all, not as good as the real thing, but quite passable.

    However, shopping at Waitrose, don't you know they are acting as predator capitalists with their diabolistic free coffee scheme?

    AveryLP said:

    @Richard_Tyndall & @foxinsoxuk

    Another Polish drink to savour is Gdanska Zlotowka or "Gdansk gold". It is a sweet transparent sticky liqueur in which flakes of 22 carat gold are suspended.
    I imagine it is also Nick Palmer's secret tipple, being more discreet for a socialist than champagne and hailing from the city where he has family connections.

    see: http://bit.ly/1hsX8rx

    Er...it's a nice thought.
    However, I've just discovered Danish lumpfish caviar in Waitrose at £1.90 a jar - tastes just like the real thing to me, so will satisfy my outlandish tastes with that.
    RobD said:
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    isam said:

    BobaFett said:

    ToryJim said:
    Can Brogan point me to the bookies that are offering 100s on a Tory majority????
    Is as mythical as the punters that put on a 8 grand on a Newark bet, but the same bookie restrict me to less than a tenner on the same bet.
    Is tonight a UKIP PB with You Gov?
    Huh?
    Sorry, Personal Best not Political Betting!
    Joint Personal best, they also polled 17% with YouGov on the 8th of May 2013
    Excellent. Thanks mate
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789

    isam said:

    isam said:

    BobaFett said:

    ToryJim said:
    Can Brogan point me to the bookies that are offering 100s on a Tory majority????
    Is as mythical as the punters that put on a 8 grand on a Newark bet, but the same bookie restrict me to less than a tenner on the same bet.
    Is tonight a UKIP PB with You Gov?
    Huh?
    Sorry, Personal Best not Political Betting!
    Joint Personal best, they also polled 17% with YouGov on the 8th of May 2013
    Are they some kind of pro-cannabis party? 17 impressive score in a national poll.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,958
    isam said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    BobaFett said:

    ToryJim said:
    Can Brogan point me to the bookies that are offering 100s on a Tory majority????
    Is as mythical as the punters that put on a 8 grand on a Newark bet, but the same bookie restrict me to less than a tenner on the same bet.
    Is tonight a UKIP PB with You Gov?
    Huh?
    Sorry, Personal Best not Political Betting!
    Joint Personal best, they also polled 17% with YouGov on the 8th of May 2013
    Excellent. Thanks mate
    What I'll do in a couple of days time is make publicly available my spreadsheet with this parliament's voting intentions and the polls going back to 1970 and other assorted goodies.

    Makes tracking things like this so easy.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,561

    Danish Lumpfish Caviar is not bad at all, not as good as the real thing, but quite passable.

    However, shopping at Waitrose, don't you know they are acting as predator capitalists with their diabolistic free coffee scheme?

    I was exploring the terrain of the class enemy. Come the revolution, all lumpfish caviar will be seized and distributed to particularly loyal comrades. (It might require an update to Gilbert and Sullivan, Charles.)
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited June 2014
    Charles said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Seen the Ashcroft national poll = lol ,lets hope YouGov poll will calm the tory nerves ;-)

    At 25% was the lowest Conservative share in a national poll since December 2001.
    Gin,tories have got to love bomb the voters and not to do this ;-)

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10868019/Anna-Soubry-Some-people-with-immigration-concerns-are-frankly-racist.html
    I assume that's Ms Soubry finished, but at least it means NP will be MP once more!

    That's a good thing?

    After yesterday and the pensions fiasco I cannot believe he has the nerve to even stand.
    I've softened towards Mr/Dr Palmer in the past year or so and I've no time for Anna Soubry really, so I'd not be unhappy to see Nick P back in.

    I have a feeling he was a pretty good/respected MP and looked after his constituents fairly well - He certainly seemed to generate quite a big personal vote in Broxtowe.

    He by and large kept out of the expense's upheaval as well I think?

    To quote a better poet than me:

    He always voted at his party's call
    And never thought of thinking for himself at all
    He thought so little, they rewarded he.
    By making him the Ruler of the Queen's Navee

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpJ_IAUs8nI
    Charles

    The great John Reed owned the role of Sir Joseph Porter and the "When I was a lad" patter song. He recorded it many times but here is the 1959 (released 1960) performance generally regarded as his greatest.

    Worth listening to a second time even though the transfer from vinyl to YouTube loses a lot of the original.

    The embedded video should go straignt to the patter song but if it doesn't it starts around 31:33.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfnv6wnhUNg#t=1895
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,958
    I emailed Mike the bit from Brogan's story about Tory MPs getting odds of 100/1 on a Tory Majority.

    I don't think Mike's impressed.

    Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB

    CON MPs tell Telegraph's Ben Brogan http://goo.gl/DIwNeV they've bets at 100/1 on a maj

    Liars

    Odds never that

    pic.twitter.com/dh2DujlL1l

    twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/473591512924946434/photo/1
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789

    I emailed Mike the bit from Brogan's story about Tory MPs getting odds of 100/1 on a Tory Majority.

    I don't think Mike's impressed.

    Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB

    CON MPs tell Telegraph's Ben Brogan http://goo.gl/DIwNeV they've bets at 100/1 on a maj

    Liars

    Odds never that

    pic.twitter.com/dh2DujlL1l

    twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/473591512924946434/photo/1

    Ouch ;-)
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Watching Morrissey on Sky Arts...

    Ten years ago he wrote

    "I've been dreaming of a time when
    To be English is not to be baneful
    To be standing by the flag not feeling shameful
    Racist or partial

    I've been dreaming of a time when
    The English are sick to death of Labour and Tories"

    The time is coming!
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @manofkent2014

    'George Osborne’s flagship Help to Buy scheme must be reined in and council tax should be increased to stop house prices getting out of control, the European Commission has said.'

    That's a whopping 1.3% of all mortgages over the past 6 months.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited June 2014

    I emailed Mike the bit from Brogan's story about Tory MPs getting odds of 100/1 on a Tory Majority.

    I don't think Mike's impressed.

    Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB

    CON MPs tell Telegraph's Ben Brogan http://goo.gl/DIwNeV they've bets at 100/1 on a maj

    Liars

    Odds never that

    pic.twitter.com/dh2DujlL1l

    twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/473591512924946434/photo/1

    Gordon Brown the HofC bookie?

    They backed Lab most votes/Tories most seats at 100/1?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    edited June 2014
    " Some Tories I know have taken odds of 100-1 for an outright majority, and think it easy money. "

    50% plus ?

    A majority of the votes ?

    That is far from easy money and is probably nearer 1000-1 with either Conservative or Labour.
  • dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    ToryJim said:

    RobD said:

    ToryJim said:



    I think the Treasury will raise the two finger salute.

    "Stick it up your Juncker!" :)
    "Up yours Delors" has to be one of the best!
    Whatever else, The Sun do come up with cracking headlines from time to time.
    my favourite was "Now we've ALL been screwed by the cabinet"
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    isam said:

    Watching Morrissey on Sky Arts...

    Ten years ago he wrote

    "I've been dreaming of a time when
    To be English is not to be baneful
    To be standing by the flag not feeling shameful
    Racist or partial

    I've been dreaming of a time when
    The English are sick to death of Labour and Tories"

    The time is coming!

    Ah yes, an immigrant son of immigrants who doesnt like immigration. Bless him!
  • dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    isam said:

    Watching Morrissey on Sky Arts...

    Ten years ago he wrote

    "I've been dreaming of a time when
    To be English is not to be baneful
    To be standing by the flag not feeling shameful
    Racist or partial

    I've been dreaming of a time when
    The English are sick to death of Labour and Tories"

    The time is coming!

    That'll be Morrissey the EU migrant (still living in Rome, as far as I know?)

    Tho I guess he was in LA when he wrote that :)

  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    john_zims said:

    @manofkent2014

    'George Osborne’s flagship Help to Buy scheme must be reined in and council tax should be increased to stop house prices getting out of control, the European Commission has said.'

    That's a whopping 1.3% of all mortgages over the past 6 months.

    So in case anyone thinks that the bubble in the London housing market has been caused by the government's second Help to Buy scheme, today's stats show that is an absurd notion.

    The killer stat, when it comes to London, is that just 0.6% of all housing transactions funded by mortgages involved a Help to Buy government guarantee. The proportion would be even lower, if the large number of cash purchases in London were included.


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-27621408
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    Watching Morrissey on Sky Arts...

    Ten years ago he wrote

    "I've been dreaming of a time when
    To be English is not to be baneful
    To be standing by the flag not feeling shameful
    Racist or partial

    I've been dreaming of a time when
    The English are sick to death of Labour and Tories"

    The time is coming!

    That'll be Morrissey the EU migrant (still living in Rome, as far as I know?)

    Tho I guess he was in LA when he wrote that :)

    I think he lives in LA still.. maybe not

    No one is saying all immigration is bad, just uncontrolled mass immigration

    ... and that quote isnt anything to do with immigration anyway!
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    By-election polls are notoriously unreliable. 2 of the 5 polls for the Eastleigh by-election put the Conservatives in first place and of course they actually came third.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,030

    I emailed Mike the bit from Brogan's story about Tory MPs getting odds of 100/1 on a Tory Majority.

    I don't think Mike's impressed.

    Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB

    CON MPs tell Telegraph's Ben Brogan http://goo.gl/DIwNeV they've bets at 100/1 on a maj

    Liars

    Odds never that

    pic.twitter.com/dh2DujlL1l

    twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/473591512924946434/photo/1

    Could be a private bet?!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    Sweet Jesus
    Just watched Game of Thrones.
  • dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    isam said:

    isam said:

    Watching Morrissey on Sky Arts...

    Ten years ago he wrote

    "I've been dreaming of a time when
    To be English is not to be baneful
    To be standing by the flag not feeling shameful
    Racist or partial

    I've been dreaming of a time when
    The English are sick to death of Labour and Tories"

    The time is coming!

    That'll be Morrissey the EU migrant (still living in Rome, as far as I know?)

    Tho I guess he was in LA when he wrote that :)

    I think he lives in LA still.. maybe not

    No one is saying all immigration is bad, just uncontrolled mass immigration

    ... and that quote isnt anything to do with immigration anyway!
    Yeah, I did add the smiley thing, I don't actually want to debate morrissey lyrics in depth.. regrettably I am not 14 anymore...

    Also, a risky business taking anything the man says at face value. I think there was a good deal of irony and humour in those smiths lyrics (which of course passed me by at 14) haven't really followed him much of late tho.


  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    RobD said:

    I emailed Mike the bit from Brogan's story about Tory MPs getting odds of 100/1 on a Tory Majority.

    I don't think Mike's impressed.

    Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB

    CON MPs tell Telegraph's Ben Brogan http://goo.gl/DIwNeV they've bets at 100/1 on a maj

    Liars

    Odds never that

    pic.twitter.com/dh2DujlL1l

    twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/473591512924946434/photo/1

    Could be a private bet?!
    If this means a majority as in a normal sense, 326 seats... Well I'd love to know who offered that - Wonder if its the same people that did Dan Hodges polling ?
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    edited June 2014
    @CarlottaVance

    'The killer stat, when it comes to London, is that just 0.6% of all housing transactions funded by mortgages involved a Help to Buy government guarantee'

    Yes, a whopping 5% of all the help to buy mortgages were in London compared with 14% in the North West & 13% in Scotland.

    Who can forget Tim's daily rants about the scheme causing a property bubble in London and the massive uptake for the maximum £600,000 mortgages which total 31 of the 7,313 transactions.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Watching Morrissey on Sky Arts...

    Ten years ago he wrote

    "I've been dreaming of a time when
    To be English is not to be baneful
    To be standing by the flag not feeling shameful
    Racist or partial

    I've been dreaming of a time when
    The English are sick to death of Labour and Tories"

    The time is coming!

    That'll be Morrissey the EU migrant (still living in Rome, as far as I know?)

    Tho I guess he was in LA when he wrote that :)

    I think he lives in LA still.. maybe not

    No one is saying all immigration is bad, just uncontrolled mass immigration

    ... and that quote isnt anything to do with immigration anyway!
    Yeah, I did add the smiley thing, I don't actually want to debate morrissey lyrics in depth.. regrettably I am not 14 anymore...

    Also, a risky business taking anything the man says at face value. I think there was a good deal of irony and humour in those smiths lyrics (which of course passed me by at 14) haven't really followed him much of late tho.


    Fair does!!
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    BobaFett said:

    ToryJim said:
    Can Brogan point me to the bookies that are offering 100s on a Tory majority????
    Is as mythical as the punters that put on a 8 grand on a Newark bet, but the same bookie restrict me to less than a tenner on the same bet.
    Is tonight a UKIP PB with You Gov?
    Huh?
    Sorry, Personal Best not Political Betting!
    Joint Personal best, they also polled 17% with YouGov on the 8th of May 2013
    Excellent. Thanks mate
    What I'll do in a couple of days time is make publicly available my spreadsheet with this parliament's voting intentions and the polls going back to 1970 and other assorted goodies.

    Makes tracking things like this so easy.
    Please do, will be v handy
  • A Polish friend of mine converted me to the pleasures of Bisongrass; seved straight from the freezer in iced glasses.

    Not for when working the next day!

    AveryLP said:

    @Richard_Tyndall

    Have you got drunk on bison weed (or grass) flavoured Vodka?

    If not here is the link to purchase:

    http://bit.ly/1hSwhQe

    All I shall say is that it needs "an acquired taste"

    Or if you prefer a UK store http://www.thedrinkshop.com/products/nlpdetail.php?prodid=1183
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,030
    isam said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    BobaFett said:

    ToryJim said:
    Can Brogan point me to the bookies that are offering 100s on a Tory majority????
    Is as mythical as the punters that put on a 8 grand on a Newark bet, but the same bookie restrict me to less than a tenner on the same bet.
    Is tonight a UKIP PB with You Gov?
    Huh?
    Sorry, Personal Best not Political Betting!
    Joint Personal best, they also polled 17% with YouGov on the 8th of May 2013
    Excellent. Thanks mate
    What I'll do in a couple of days time is make publicly available my spreadsheet with this parliament's voting intentions and the polls going back to 1970 and other assorted goodies.

    Makes tracking things like this so easy.
    Please do, will be v handy
    @TSE - you should make it a google doc!
  • JohnLoonyJohnLoony Posts: 1,790
    One of my brother's long-term friends (someone he met at university) has been murdered. He was stabbed several times with scissors in a frenzied attack by a complete stranger in a restaurant in London. The suspect was overpowered and detained immediately by other customers. It's weird how the world is so randomly yukky sometimes.
  • JohnLoonyJohnLoony Posts: 1,790
    What, no other comments for 3 hours? We are all three hours closer to our doom in the valley of despair... How far in the trunk, Mummy? How far in the trunk? Glenda knows, Glenda knows! Equestrian cement! Equestrian cement! We crawl on our knees towards our doom... like the blackness of space that leads to the chasm of clams! Three more days? By this time on Friday, either we will have stepped one small pace closer to the restoration of normality and civilisation, or we will have started the slide into the apocalypse of a UKIP nightmare in which the dark purple will, in the gloom, be indistinguishable from the blackness which will engulf us all...Black! Black! Black! Burn! Burn! Burn! Black! Like Inky the octopus that comes lolloping along... Mr Helmer hits his hammer! Hit! Hit! Hit! We try to hide it but it claims us in the end... You're in my telescope....
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