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  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    Has anyone heard from AlanBrooke or JossiasJessup? The both seem to have gone AWOL from the site, I hope both are OK.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300

    Police arrest man for use of the word "arse" when singing.Free speech clearly not allowed by Hull plod.I think some PBerrs are looking at a very long stretch if previous offences are taken into account,especially those who have used the word "stick" to accompany it.Plod OTT IMHO.

    http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Anti-fracking-campaigner-arrested-Beverley-using/story-21138031-detail/story.html

    Purcell singers better behave.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvmX12dRP7E
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498
    Ishmael_X said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:



    Charles said:

    surbiton said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    UKIP, Farage & Romanians next door:

    Is Racist - net (change vs week ago)
    UKIP: +7 (+6)
    Farage: -5 (+18)

    Comfortable with Romanian (German) family next door (net):
    Con: +1 (+63)
    Lab: +25 (+61)
    LD: +50 (+75)
    UKIP: -55 (+16)

    All the signs are that most people in this country are part of the metropolitan, left-liberal, sneering, anti-WWC establishment.

    The question Farage was asked was "Would you be comfortable with a g roup of Romanian men moving in next door" not " a Romanian family".

    Big difference


    And the question the UKIP voters in that poll were asked is would you be comfortable with a Romanian family next door.


    Is it because we secretly like Adolf Hitler ?

    Don't be silly. He was Austrian. ;-)
    He'd be very upset if he heard you say that ... curious, though, that the Tories and UKIP spend so much time talking about the Great War and the Battle of Britain (complete with Spitfires from a Polish squadron). Not very well targeted if people would still welcome Germans rather than people from a country with which the UK never had any armed combat per se IIRC (at least not since it was part of the Austro-Hungarian empire).
    We're fortunate that the Polish flyers took a more robust response to the Axis in WWII than the SNP Petainistes.
    Really? I didn't know Scotland was occupied during the war, so you must be referring to the outstanding way in which Petain fought at Verdun. What I do know is that it was the likes of the Conservatives and Unionists who got banged up or deported for the duration. You might like to read up abut the likes of Captain Ramsay and the Master of Sempill.

    A silly point. You might like to read up about Shimi Lovat.

    Nothing silly about it , perfectly valid riposte to a moronic poster , who does nothing but troll and post huge whoppers.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498
    Scott_P said:

    malcolmg said:


    So unless you can come up with something I will go by Yorkcity's excellent description.

    So rather than watch the interview, make up your own mind, then enter a debate, you would rather stick with your interpretation of someone else's view of what he said.

    That's rather sad.

    He did not endorse a Unionist position. Watch the interview. You might learn something.
    So I have it and I would say he is a YES from that interview. He did give a very balanced opinion but it seems he has a vote and is a YES, good for him.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    The unthinking masses strike again

    Suzanne Evans (@SuzanneEvans1)
    25/05/2014 12:29
    Odd, seeing as how UKIP's Scots candidate is gay! RT@pinknews: UKIP victory in Scotland poses a threat to LGBT rights p.ink.cx/1vGBfIW
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited May 2014
    Did anyone see the joke that is Diane Abbott on the Sunday Politics? (She is on tv more than Farage btw)

    Didnt know where Newark was #onenation
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Carnyx said:




    He'd be very upset if he heard you say that ...

    Upsetting Hitler's shade is not something that worries me very much.
  • Paul_Mid_BedsPaul_Mid_Beds Posts: 1,409
    edited May 2014

    Sean_F said:

    I remember hearing after the 1997 election that a Nationalist majority was just around the corner. 17 years later, it doesn't look like it's any closer.

    The polling shows that the plurality of Roman Catholic opinion is in favour of remaining within the United Kingdom. The form of political Romanism once championed by the archpriest de Valera is looking increasingly dead in the Republic of Ireland as well.
    The sensible way forward for both Ireland (united) and Scotland (and perhaps one day even Wales, Yorkshire and Cornwall) would be what the Isle of Man successfully already have. Full internal self government, with the UK only providing the head of state, foreign policy and the £ (defence being arranged domestically just as it was in Australia prior to the statute of Westminster when they were effectively in the same position).

    I suspect Scotland would have voted for it if it was on offer in the referendum. It would have been unthinkable in Ireland 10 years ago but sooner or later a united Ireland will happen and such a solution might be a suitable compromise.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,337
    Ishmael_X said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    [edited down]
    He'd be very upset if he heard you say that ... curious, though, that the Tories and UKIP spend so much time talking about the Great War and the Battle of Britain (complete with Spitfires from a Polish squadron). Not very well targeted if people would still welcome Germans rather than people from a country with which the UK never had any armed combat per se IIRC (at least not since it was part of the Austro-Hungarian empire).

    We're fortunate that the Polish flyers took a more robust response to the Axis in WWII than the SNP Petainistes.
    Really? I didn't know Scotland was occupied during the war, so you must be referring to the outstanding way in which Petain fought at Verdun. What I do know is that it was the likes of the Conservatives and Unionists who got banged up or deported for the duration. You might like to read up abut the likes of Captain Ramsay and the Master of Sempill.

    A silly point. You might like to read up about Shimi Lovat.

    I was not the one who tried to use 1930s politics as a guide to the modern day - just commenting initially on the slightly odd use of history as a flagship theme.

    I was just suggesting that if one regards the citing of 1930s 'traitors' as a useful contribution to 21st century politics then it is rather to the detriment of the Conservative and Unionist side to start that particular hare.

    It certainly does not detract from the bravery of many from all political sides, especially as you say the Lord Lovat and the Scouts, or the Poles who were stationed hereabouts during the war, or Hamish Henderson the poet, or the people of Clydebank, to name just a few.

    But anyway back to the 21st century now.

  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,337
    Charles said:

    Carnyx said:




    He'd be very upset if he heard you say that ...

    Upsetting Hitler's shade is not something that worries me very much.
    Like!
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Just a few weeks ago some of the smugger posters here were sarcastically saying if ukip were so strong in WWC areas what about Doncaster?


    General Election (@UKELECTIONS2015)
    25/05/2014 11:23
    Doncaster vote

    #Labour 26,552
    #UKIP 22,046

    since 2010 locals

    Lab +2.1%
    UKIP +30.4%

    Ed Miliband Doncaster North MP

    #UKIP a Tory Problem?
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    [But anyway back to the 21st century now.]

    I don't have visuals - sounds like a brit took out a Kimi Ferrari.
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523

    Mr. Observer, worth mentioning that lots of blind eyes were turned to white girls being victimised by rape gangs. The idea that certain groups might be ignored, or certain organisations might be willing to ignore them, is not far-fetched.

    I agree completely. As I have said on here before any number of times - in this country we have always tended to brush the abuse of children by adults under the carpet - look at Jimmy Saville and Cyril Smith and plenty of other examples. The grooming gangs took advantage of this and of a shameful race-based refusal by the authorities to go into difficult areas. The left should hold its hands up on that and accept the blame that is rightfully theirs.

    That said, it is one thing inflicting horrific sexual abuse on vulnerable kids in secret, it is another putting dozens of people in overcrowded housing. That would be very visible. So, if it is happening on the scale Mr Jones claims it is, and it is being covered up by the media with the BBC playing the lead role, that does not explain why people are not seeing it with their own eyes.
    "that does not explain why people are not seeing it with their own eyes"

    The people who live(d) or work(ed) in the areas where it's happening are seeing it with their own eyes and have done for years.

    Most people don't live or work in the areas where it's happening but thanks to programs like benefits street a lot of people got a glimpse of the reality recently.

    http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2014/01/14/romanians-in-hard-times-on-benefits-street/

    The point about Romanians vs Germans isn't so much about the differences as people as about the relative prosperity. Professionals don't generally live 12+ to a house. It's people coming to do unskilled work who do.
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    Carnyx said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    [edited down]
    He'd be very upset if he heard you say that ... curious, though, that the Tories and UKIP spend so much time talking about the Great War and the Battle of Britain (complete with Spitfires from a Polish squadron). Not very well targeted if people would still welcome Germans rather than people from a country with which the UK never had any armed combat per se IIRC (at least not since it was part of the Austro-Hungarian empire).

    We're fortunate that the Polish flyers took a more robust response to the Axis in WWII than the SNP Petainistes.
    Really? I didn't know Scotland was occupied during the war, so you must be referring to the outstanding way in which Petain fought at Verdun. What I do know is that it was the likes of the Conservatives and Unionists who got banged up or deported for the duration. You might like to read up abut the likes of Captain Ramsay and the Master of Sempill.

    A silly point. You might like to read up about Shimi Lovat.

    I was not the one who tried to use 1930s politics as a guide to the modern day - just commenting initially on the slightly odd use of history as a flagship theme.

    I was just suggesting that if one regards the citing of 1930s 'traitors' as a useful contribution to 21st century politics then it is rather to the detriment of the Conservative and Unionist side to start that particular hare.

    It certainly does not detract from the bravery of many from all political sides, especially as you say the Lord Lovat and the Scouts, or the Poles who were stationed hereabouts during the war, or Hamish Henderson the poet, or the people of Clydebank, to name just a few.

    But anyway back to the 21st century now.

    Salmond, SNP Spring Rally 2014:

    "The SNP is now 80 years old, but I like to think actually we're 80 years young, 80 years young in particular because we look forward this year to the flowering of our nation, to the fulfilment of the hopes and dreams we've had and carried with us for so long.

    "There has been a continuing thread through these 80 years - that this is not an ordinary political party. We're a highly successful political party."

    Forged in the horrors of 1930's nationalism and tending the flame.
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523

    OK. There is something in your point about the gangs being allowed to 'get away with it' for a time. However, members of these gangs are now serving lengthy jail sentences, not because UKIP brought our attention to what was happening, but because a combination of social services, the Police and the CPS ensured they were prosecuted.

    The only reason anything was done was because the Times broke the media's silence.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498

    Carnyx said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    [edited down]
    He'd be very upset if he heard you say that ... curious, though, that the Tories and UKIP spend so much time talking about the Great War and the Battle of Britain (complete with Spitfires from a Polish squadron). Not very well targeted if people would still welcome Germans rather than people from a country with which the UK never had any armed combat per se IIRC (at least not since it was part of the Austro-Hungarian empire).

    We're fortunate that the Polish flyers took a more robust response to the Axis in WWII than the SNP Petainistes.
    Really? I didn't know Scotland was occupied during the war, so you must be referring to the outstanding way in which Petain fought at Verdun. What I do know is that it was the likes of the Conservatives and Unionists who got banged up or deported for the duration. You might like to read up abut the likes of Captain Ramsay and the Master of Sempill.

    A silly point. You might like to read up about Shimi Lovat.

    I was not the one who tried to use 1930s politics as a guide to the modern day - just commenting initially on the slightly odd use of history as a flagship theme.

    I was just suggesting that if one regards the citing of 1930s 'traitors' as a useful contribution to 21st century politics then it is rather to the detriment of the Conservative and Unionist side to start that particular hare.

    It certainly does not detract from the bravery of many from all political sides, especially as you say the Lord Lovat and the Scouts, or the Poles who were stationed hereabouts during the war, or Hamish Henderson the poet, or the people of Clydebank, to name just a few.

    But anyway back to the 21st century now.

    Salmond, SNP Spring Rally 2014:

    "The SNP is now 80 years old, but I like to think actually we're 80 years young, 80 years young in particular because we look forward this year to the flowering of our nation, to the fulfilment of the hopes and dreams we've had and carried with us for so long.

    "There has been a continuing thread through these 80 years - that this is not an ordinary political party. We're a highly successful political party."

    Forged in the horrors of 1930's nationalism and tending the flame.
    You really are a nasty little shit
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    Is it whisky time yet Malcolm?
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523

    I have no problems with the grooming gangs being locked up, and am glad it is finally happening.

    But the Hungarians that Mr Jones is concerned about seem to be an unrelated issue.

    I'm not sure how the two got connected on the thread but the connection in reality is things happening in plain sight in certain areas which everyone in the areas concerned knows about but everyone outside those areas is completely unaware of because it's not reported.

    In this case houses of 12+ men mostly working illegally in some form or other.
  • Afternoon all.
    Does anyone know what times the polls close for the countries that vote today?
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    Hertsmere - I think the last one is Italy at 11 - 10pm our time.
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    edited May 2014
    Pulpstar said:


    How the hell do UKIP win Broxtowe - isn't it basically university of Nottingham type people. I've backed Great Grimsby, and a couple of others but just can't see Broxtowe going kipper - I think you/Anna is a 99.9% market there.

    It might just be winding up Soubry over her comments.

  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,046
    "Partly to blame, not learned, might do it again."

    Bloody love it. Spot on.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,337

    Carnyx said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    [edited down]
    He'd be very upset if he heard you say that ... curious, though, that the Tories and UKIP spend so much time talking about the Great War and the Battle of Britain (complete with Spitfires from a Polish squadron). Not very well targeted if people would still welcome Germans rather than people from a country with which the UK never had any armed combat per se IIRC (at least not since it was part of the Austro-Hungarian empire).

    We're fortunate that the Polish flyers took a more robust response to the Axis in WWII than the SNP Petainistes.
    Really? I didn't know Scotland was occupied during the war, so you must be referring to the outstanding way in which Petain fought at Verdun. What I do know is that it was the likes of the Conservatives and Unionists who got banged up or deported for the duration. You might like to read up abut the likes of Captain Ramsay and the Master of Sempill.

    A silly point. You might like to read up about Shimi Lovat.

    I was not the one who tried to use 1930s politics as a guide to the modern day - just commenting initially on the slightly odd use of history as a flagship theme.

    I was just suggesting that if one regards the citing of 1930s 'traitors' as a useful contribution to 21st century politics then it is rather to the detriment of the Conservative and Unionist side to start that particular hare.

    It certainly does not detract from the bravery of many from all political sides, especially as you say the Lord Lovat and the Scouts, or the Poles who were stationed hereabouts during the war, or Hamish Henderson the poet, or the people of Clydebank, to name just a few.

    But anyway back to the 21st century now.

    Salmond, SNP Spring Rally 2014:

    "The SNP is now 80 years old, but I like to think actually we're 80 years young, 80 years young in particular because we look forward this year to the flowering of our nation, to the fulfilment of the hopes and dreams we've had and carried with us for so long.

    "There has been a continuing thread through these 80 years - that this is not an ordinary political party. We're a highly successful political party."

    Forged in the horrors of 1930's nationalism and tending the flame.
    What an extraordinary comparison for you to make. If you think that the SNP is a right wing nationalist party perhaps you ought to have a look at sites such as Political Compass.
  • JBriskin said:

    Hertsmere - I think the last one is Italy at 11 - 10pm our time.

    Thank you

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    isam said:

    Just a few weeks ago some of the smugger posters here were sarcastically saying if ukip were so strong in WWC areas what about Doncaster?


    General Election (@UKELECTIONS2015)
    25/05/2014 11:23
    Doncaster vote

    #Labour 26,552
    #UKIP 22,046

    since 2010 locals

    Lab +2.1%
    UKIP +30.4%

    Ed Miliband Doncaster North MP

    #UKIP a Tory Problem?

    Wonder if Nuttall might stand there ?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,146



    Salmond, SNP Spring Rally 2014:

    "The SNP is now 80 years old, but I like to think actually we're 80 years young, 80 years young in particular because we look forward this year to the flowering of our nation, to the fulfilment of the hopes and dreams we've had and carried with us for so long.

    "There has been a continuing thread through these 80 years - that this is not an ordinary political party. We're a highly successful political party."

    Forged in the horrors of 1930's nationalism and tending the flame.

    Do you still think UKIP are a nationalist party full of racists and Nazi sympathisers?
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    [edited down]
    He'd be very upset if he heard you say that ... curious, though, that the Tories and UKIP spend so much time talking about the Great War and the Battle of Britain (complete with Spitfires from a Polish squadron). Not very well targeted if people would still welcome Germans rather than people from a country with which the UK never had any armed combat per se IIRC (at least not since it was part of the Austro-Hungarian empire).

    We're fortunate that the Polish flyers took a more robust response to the Axis in WWII than the SNP Petainistes.
    Really? I didn't know Scotland was occupied during the war, so you must be referring to the outstanding way in which Petain fought at Verdun. What I do know is that it was the likes of the Conservatives and Unionists who got banged up or deported for the duration. You might like to read up abut the likes of Captain Ramsay and the Master of Sempill.

    A silly point. You might like to read up about Shimi Lovat.

    I was not the one who tried to use 1930s politics as a guide to the modern day - just commenting initially on the slightly odd use of history as a flagship theme.

    I was just suggesting that if one regards the citing of 1930s 'traitors' as a useful contribution to 21st century politics then it is rather to the detriment of the Conservative and Unionist side to start that particular hare.

    It certainly does not detract from the bravery of many from all political sides, especially as you say the Lord Lovat and the Scouts, or the Poles who were stationed hereabouts during the war, or Hamish Henderson the poet, or the people of Clydebank, to name just a few.

    But anyway back to the 21st century now.

    Salmond, SNP Spring Rally 2014:

    "The SNP is now 80 years old, but I like to think actually we're 80 years young, 80 years young in particular because we look forward this year to the flowering of our nation, to the fulfilment of the hopes and dreams we've had and carried with us for so long.

    "There has been a continuing thread through these 80 years - that this is not an ordinary political party. We're a highly successful political party."

    Forged in the horrors of 1930's nationalism and tending the flame.
    What an extraordinary comparison for you to make. If you think that the SNP is a right wing nationalist party perhaps you ought to have a look at sites such as Political Compass.
    I think the SNP is a socialist and nationalist party.

  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Add two more Councillors to Labour. Norbiton Ward - Kingston Council. The 3rd candidate lost by 3 votes.

    12% swing from LD to Labour. First time, we have any Councillors for some time.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    edited May 2014
    isam said:

    Just a few weeks ago some of the smugger posters here were sarcastically saying if ukip were so strong in WWC areas what about Doncaster?


    General Election (@UKELECTIONS2015)
    25/05/2014 11:23
    Doncaster vote

    #Labour 26,552
    #UKIP 22,046

    since 2010 locals

    Lab +2.1%
    UKIP +30.4%

    Ed Miliband Doncaster North MP

    #UKIP a Tory Problem?

    So how much are you putting on UKIP winning Doncaster North ?

    Sadly, Betfair doesn't even offer odds on DN .
  • Stuart_DicksonStuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557
    UKIP drifting at Betfair In-Play - Euros - Most Votes

    Currently at 1.29
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    malcolmg said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:



    Charles said:

    surbiton said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    All the signs are that most people in this country are part of the metropolitan, left-liberal, sneering, anti-WWC establishment.
    The question Farage was asked was "Would you be comfortable with a g roup of Romanian men moving in next door" not " a Romanian family".Big difference
    And the question the UKIP voters in that poll were asked is would you be comfortable with a Romanian family next door.
    Is it because we secretly like Adolf Hitler ?
    Don't be silly. He was Austrian. ;-)
    We're fortunate that the Polish flyers took a more robust response to the Axis in WWII than the SNP Petainistes.
    A silly point. You might like to read up about Shimi Lovat.
    Nothing silly about it , perfectly valid riposte to a moronic poster , who does nothing but troll and post huge whoppers.
    I think that's a rather unkind characterisation of Carnyx.....

    Meanwhile, what James McAvoy said to The Scotsman:

    How does he feel about the current referendum hustings? “I feel negative about the Yes and No campaigns,” he says carefully. “I’m not anti-political as a person, but I am anti-political when it comes to independence in Scotland.”

    So far, he’s unimpressed by tactical debates where political pedantry distracts voters from what he feels to be a fundamental choice. “This should be a choice about identity, not about whether we’ll get oil, the pound or whether we will be richer. You know that there are statements that just can’t be backed up on both sides. It shouldn’t be a question of ‘are things going to be better?’ There’s no country in this world that says, ‘I’m really happy with this government. Taxes are great, education is great and everything is cool, because I voted for my guy’.

    “So yes or no, we’re still going to be bitching. Things are still going to be s**t, or good. It’s just going to be different s**t, or different good. These politicians, you can’t trust them as far as you can throw them, and we’re getting sucked into a meaningless political debate. I will go with whatever way my country votes, but I don’t know which way I want to go yet.”


    http://www.scotsman.com/what-s-on/film/james-mcavoy-on-the-x-men-and-the-referendum-1-3414040
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    Is that a recommendation Stuart Dickson??
  • Hertsmere_PubgoerHertsmere_Pubgoer Posts: 3,476
    edited May 2014

    UKIP drifting at Betfair In-Play - Euros - Most Votes

    Currently at 1.29

    Labour tightening too, now into 4.3
    Edited extra bit: Or is it more to do with the overound % coming down?

  • Stuart_DicksonStuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557
    JBriskin said:

    Is that a recommendation Stuart Dickson??

    No. Absolutely not. It is Mike Smithson who seems to be laying UKIP at tiny prices. I would never go anywhere near that strategy. I suspect it will end in tears.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Those more in the know, does Labour's London performance mean 4 seats out of 8 ?
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,564
    For those who are interested in the overall picture: the Czech ODS (allies of the Conservatives) have collapsed to 2 seats, to 3 for the Communists and 5 each for the EPP (Christian Democrats) and Socialists.

    How come we are getting these results, yet in Britain we aren't counting till 6? I thought there was some sort of rule we were following that we can only count a single vote when all polls have closed, but evidently not.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,046

    malcolmg said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:



    Charles said:

    surbiton said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    All the signs are that most people in this country are part of the metropolitan, left-liberal, sneering, anti-WWC establishment.
    T Romanian family".Big difference
    And the question the UKIP voters in that poll were asked is would you be comfortable with a Romanian family next door.
    Is it because we secretly like Adolf Hitler ?
    Don't be silly. He was Austrian. ;-)
    We're f Axis in WWII than the SNP Petainistes.
    A silly point. You might like to read up about Shimi Lovat.
    Nothing silly about it , perfectly valid riposte to a moronic poster , who does nothing but troll and post huge whoppers.
    I think that's a rather unkind characterisation of Carnyx.....

    Meanwhile, what James McAvoy said to The Scotsman:

    How does he feel about the current referendum hustings? “I feel negative about the Yes and No campaigns,” he says carefully. “I’m not anti-political as a person, but I am anti-political when it comes to independence in Scotland.”

    So far, he’s unimpressed by tactical debates where political pedantry distracts voters from what he feels to be a fundamental choice. “This should be a choice about identity, not about whether we’ll get oil, the pound or whether we will be richer. You know that there are statements that just can’t be backed up on both sides. It shouldn’t be a question of ‘are things going to be better?’ There’s no country in this world that says, ‘I’m really happy with this government. Taxes are great, education is great and everything is cool, because I voted for my guy’.

    “So yes or no, we’re still going to be bitching. Things are still going to be s**t, or good. It’s just going to be different s**t, or different good. These politicians, you can’t trust them as far as you can throw them, and we’re getting sucked into a meaningless political debate. I will go with whatever way my country votes, but I don’t know which way I want to go yet.”


    http://www.scotsman.com/what-s-on/film/james-mcavoy-on-the-x-men-and-the-referendum-1-3414040
    Good for him. There are two types of Scot in this - Braveheart and accountancy- based. I would like to think I would be Braveheart as McAvoy is. The biggest error is to try to combine the two.
  • NextNext Posts: 826

    For those who are interested in the overall picture: the Czech ODS (allies of the Conservatives) have collapsed to 2 seats, to 3 for the Communists and 5 each for the EPP (Christian Democrats) and Socialists.

    How come we are getting these results, yet in Britain we aren't counting till 6? I thought there was some sort of rule we were following that we can only count a single vote when all polls have closed, but evidently not.

    The UK is a stickler for the rules, while other countries don't care?

    Seem familiar.

  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    How come we are getting these results, yet in Britain we aren't counting till 6? I thought there was some sort of rule we were following that we can only count a single vote when all polls have closed, but evidently not.

    Nick, how have you been in politics for so many years and yet are still getting surprised at the rest of the EU not following the rules like we do?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498
    JBriskin said:

    Is it whisky time yet Malcolm?

    Briskin , well late enough to have one if you wish , though cretins like Monica would drive you to drink at any time. I personally do not drink before evening on a sunday.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,668
    isam said:

    Just a few weeks ago some of the smugger posters here were sarcastically saying if ukip were so strong in WWC areas what about Doncaster?


    General Election (@UKELECTIONS2015)
    25/05/2014 11:23
    Doncaster vote

    #Labour 26,552
    #UKIP 22,046

    since 2010 locals

    Lab +2.1%
    UKIP +30.4%

    Ed Miliband Doncaster North MP

    #UKIP a Tory Problem?

    As discussed, in many Labour heartlands UKIP has become the party around which the non-Labour vote coalesces. I note that both the UKIP and Labour votes have gone up since 2010. It would be interesting to see by how much the other parties' votes have gone down.

  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    edited May 2014
    surbiton said:

    Add two more Councillors to Labour. Norbiton Ward - Kingston Council. The 3rd candidate lost by 3 votes.

    12% swing from LD to Labour. First time, we have any Councillors for some time.

    Since the 2010 election prior to that Labour had 2 seats in this ward .
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Probably not a good tactic, leave that to the OMLP and Bus Pass Elvis party.

    Farage did not do well against the speaker, better for Nuttall to pick a seat in Merseyside
    Pulpstar said:

    isam said:

    Just a few weeks ago some of the smugger posters here were sarcastically saying if ukip were so strong in WWC areas what about Doncaster?


    General Election (@UKELECTIONS2015)
    25/05/2014 11:23
    Doncaster vote

    #Labour 26,552
    #UKIP 22,046

    since 2010 locals

    Lab +2.1%
    UKIP +30.4%

    Ed Miliband Doncaster North MP

    #UKIP a Tory Problem?

    Wonder if Nuttall might stand there ?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498

    malcolmg said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:



    Charles said:

    surbiton said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    All the signs are that most people in this country are part of the metropolitan, left-liberal, sneering, anti-WWC establishment.
    The question Farage was asked was "Would you be comfortable with a g roup of Romanian men moving in next door" not " a Romanian family".Big difference
    And the question the UKIP voters in that poll were asked is would you be comfortable with a Romanian family next door.
    Is it because we secretly like Adolf Hitler ?
    Don't be silly. He was Austrian. ;-)
    We're fortunate that the Polish flyers took a more robust response to the Axis in WWII than the SNP Petainistes.
    A silly point. You might like to read up about Shimi Lovat.
    Nothing silly about it , perfectly valid riposte to a moronic poster , who does nothing but troll and post huge whoppers.
    I think that's a rather unkind characterisation of Carnyx.....

    Meanwhile, what James McAvoy said to The Scotsman:

    How does he feel about the current referendum hustings? “I feel negative about the Yes and No campaigns,” he says carefully. “I’m not anti-political as a person, but I am anti-political when it comes to independence in Scotland.”

    So far, he’s unimpressed by tactical debates where political pedantry distracts voters from what he feels to be a fundamental choice. “This should be a choice about identity, not about whether we’ll get oil, the pound or whether we will be richer. You know that there are statements that just can’t be backed up on both sides. It shouldn’t be a question of ‘are things going to be better?’ There’s no country in this world that says, ‘I’m really happy with this government. Taxes are great, education is great and everything is cool, because I voted for my guy’.

    “So yes or no, we’re still going to be bitching. Things are still going to be s**t, or good. It’s just going to be different s**t, or different good. These politicians, you can’t trust them as far as you can throw them, and we’re getting sucked into a meaningless political debate. I will go with whatever way my country votes, but I don’t know which way I want to go yet.”


    http://www.scotsman.com/what-s-on/film/james-mcavoy-on-the-x-men-and-the-referendum-1-3414040
    very droll
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    malcolmg said:

    JBriskin said:

    Is it whisky time yet Malcolm?

    Briskin , well late enough to have one if you wish , though cretins like Monica would drive you to drink at any time. I personally do not drink before evening on a sunday.
    Thanks Malcolm - I just won enough for a pint!!!

  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    JBriskin said:

    Is it whisky time yet Malcolm?

    I don't know about Mr. G, but it is very close to that time for me - just got to get the washing up done before I can bask with a medium sized (well large to most of you lot) glass of something soft and malty. Mind you we had a BBQ lunch today, so the washing-up is bloody grizzly. On top of which The Brute and Thomas are sulking like mad, being deprived of their usual Sunday ration of roast meat. Honestly, if looks could kill I'd be stiffening by now - the look The Brute gave me would have felled an elephant.

    Cunningly, I have kept some cubes of meat back, to fry with garlic to go with the moggies supper. So I expect to sleep soundly in my bed tonight.

  • Stuart_DicksonStuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557
    DUP and UUP 'in election talks'

    DUP MP Jeffrey Donaldson has revealed to UTV that his party is in discussions about an electoral pact with the Ulster Unionist Party ahead of next year's general and Assembly elections – something UUP leader Mike Nesbitt has totally rejected.

    http://www.u.tv/News/DUP-and-UUP-in-election-talks/abfff7a6-6252-42c2-9a4d-4890ae1a96ca
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Will set about writing the post-race piece shortly. Without spoiling the result, it was a more interesting race than usually occurs around Monaco, more tension than drama but with a few choice moves and quite a lot of twists.
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    I understand they have started counting the Euro votes in Ireland as well.
  • Stuart_DicksonStuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557
    Irish elections

    Elections 2014: Coalition loses out to Sinn Féin and smaller parties
    Taoiseach Enda Kenny admits it has ‘not been a good day’ for the Government parties

    The Government parties look set to suffer major losses in the local, European and byelections, as tallies and initial results suggest Sinn Féin, Independents and others will make major gains.

    Just 130 out of 949 seats have been filled in the local elections so far but the Labour Party in particular seems certain to lose a significant number of seats.

    Several senior Labour Party ministers have acknowledged it has been a “difficult day”.

    In terms of seats secured so far, Sinn Féin has 48, Independents and others have 34, Fianna Fáil has 27, Fine Gael has 17, and Labour has four.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/elections-2014-coalition-loses-out-to-sinn-féin-and-smaller-parties-1.1808059
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    Pace yourself Hurst - you don't want to miss the vote fun tonight. Starts at 9 on sky I believe.
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    Afternoon Morris - I am soo green on F1 this year - you would be jealous.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Next said:

    For those who are interested in the overall picture: the Czech ODS (allies of the Conservatives) have collapsed to 2 seats, to 3 for the Communists and 5 each for the EPP (Christian Democrats) and Socialists.

    How come we are getting these results, yet in Britain we aren't counting till 6? I thought there was some sort of rule we were following that we can only count a single vote when all polls have closed, but evidently not.

    The UK is a stickler for the rules, while other countries don't care?

    Seem familiar.

    Exit poll ?

    http://metapolls.net/category/europe/euroelections-2014/
  • rogerhrogerh Posts: 282
    The Lib Dem vote share for the Locals was 11%.The LD's usually poll higher in locals than their national polling share.(Latest figure UK Gov 9% )However in the Euros the LD's consistently poll less than their national opinion poll ratings.So what share figure to the nearest % can we expect to see in tonight's Euro results?
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    JBriskin said:

    Pace yourself Hurst - you don't want to miss the vote fun tonight. Starts at 9 on sky I believe.

    Oh, I shall Mr. Briskin. Mrs Llama has gone mad with the washing and I now have an ironing pile that would kill anyone beneath it should it topple over. So I shall be up for the fun, ironing away like mad and, II suspect laughing my socks off.

  • Stuart_DicksonStuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557
    Darling will be praying that this idiot doesn't scupper his BeTory Together outfit:

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/ukip-scottish-candidate-ill-take-on-salmond-over-immigration.24313688
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Mr. Briskin, happily, I'm also somewhat green this year. Long way to go, though.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    malcolmg said:

    JBriskin said:

    Is it whisky time yet Malcolm?

    Briskin , well late enough to have one if you wish , though cretins like Monica would drive you to drink at any time. I personally do not drink before evening on a sunday.
    Mr G., "I personally do not drink before evening on a sunday". For the rest of the week? Putting it away with both hands before breakfast are we?
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746

    DUP and UUP 'in election talks'

    DUP MP Jeffrey Donaldson has revealed to UTV that his party is in discussions about an electoral pact with the Ulster Unionist Party ahead of next year's general and Assembly elections – something UUP leader Mike Nesbitt has totally rejected.

    http://www.u.tv/News/DUP-and-UUP-in-election-talks/abfff7a6-6252-42c2-9a4d-4890ae1a96ca

    The UKIP EU Parliament northern Ireland election broadcast seemed to be aimed squarely at unionist voters. Perhaps they're circling the wagons to resist the purple horde?
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,564
    Socrates said:

    How come we are getting these results, yet in Britain we aren't counting till 6? I thought there was some sort of rule we were following that we can only count a single vote when all polls have closed, but evidently not.

    Nick, how have you been in politics for so many years and yet are still getting surprised at the rest of the EU not following the rules like we do?
    Seems to be exit polls rather than real results as Surbiton says.
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792

    Darling will be praying that this idiot doesn't scupper his BeTory Together outfit:

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/ukip-scottish-candidate-ill-take-on-salmond-over-immigration.24313688

    So Salmond will be praying that UKIP get a Scottish EU seat. That, inevitably, will be great news for the SNP.

  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    rogerh said:

    The Lib Dem vote share for the Locals was 11%.The LD's usually poll higher in locals than their national polling share.(Latest figure UK Gov 9% )However in the Euros the LD's consistently poll less than their national opinion poll ratings.So what share figure to the nearest % can we expect to see in tonight's Euro results?

    No it wasn't 11% , that is the R and T NEV estimate , the BBC NEV estimate was 13% My actual figure is running around 13% with about 60% of the councils done .
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498
    JBriskin said:

    malcolmg said:

    JBriskin said:

    Is it whisky time yet Malcolm?

    Briskin , well late enough to have one if you wish , though cretins like Monica would drive you to drink at any time. I personally do not drink before evening on a sunday.
    Thanks Malcolm - I just won enough for a pint!!!

    Well done , Briskin , you will be taking over from MD
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498

    Darling will be praying that this idiot doesn't scupper his BeTory Together outfit:

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/ukip-scottish-candidate-ill-take-on-salmond-over-immigration.24313688

    So Salmond will be praying that UKIP get a Scottish EU seat. That, inevitably, will be great news for the SNP.

    Cuckoo
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,337

    Darling will be praying that this idiot doesn't scupper his BeTory Together outfit:

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/ukip-scottish-candidate-ill-take-on-salmond-over-immigration.24313688

    Very odd, because as Ms Sarissa pointed out the other day, immigration to Scotland is already within a midge's backside of the demographic balance for pensions etc., despite what Whitehall was saying.

    Here's another chum for Messrs Darling and Lamont, by the way - the one UKIP didn't wan ...

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/blogger-kicked-out-of-ukip-for-denying-existence-of-holocaust-gas-chambers-.24311143

  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498
    edited May 2014

    malcolmg said:

    JBriskin said:

    Is it whisky time yet Malcolm?

    Briskin , well late enough to have one if you wish , though cretins like Monica would drive you to drink at any time. I personally do not drink before evening on a sunday.
    Mr G., "I personally do not drink before evening on a sunday". For the rest of the week? Putting it away with both hands before breakfast are we?
    Hurst , work Monday - Friday so out then as well most of the time, so only leaves Saturday afternoon as suitable. As before mornings are a No NO any time.

    PS doing a small bit of painting , repair of previous shoddy job, will no doubt need a beer after that.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,337

    malcolmg said:

    JBriskin said:

    Is it whisky time yet Malcolm?

    Briskin , well late enough to have one if you wish , though cretins like Monica would drive you to drink at any time. I personally do not drink before evening on a sunday.
    Mr G., "I personally do not drink before evening on a sunday". For the rest of the week? Putting it away with both hands before breakfast are we?
    Depends how late the previus night he goes to bed, I suppose.

    I've a bottle of Caorunn gin and will have some before dinner in a little while - haven't made up my mind yet.

    http://www.caorunngin.com/

  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Kingston Council Results 2014:

    LD 30%
    C 39%
    Lab 18%
    Green 7%
    UKIP 6%

    Change from 2010:

    LD -13%
    C - 1%
    Lab 6%
    Green 4%
    UKIP 6%

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Mr. G, taking over what?
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    Damn you Carnyx!! - ok, full disclosure - I've ran out, you're probably going to have to cope without me tonight.
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    Surely top F1 tipster Morris - although I think we work quite well as a team.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Mr. Briskin, as long as I'm green, I'm satisfied. Quite glad that your tip of Rosberg winning was correct, although it would've been better still if Ricciardo had passed Hamilton.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    JBriskin said:

    Is it whisky time yet Malcolm?

    Briskin , well late enough to have one if you wish , though cretins like Monica would drive you to drink at any time. I personally do not drink before evening on a sunday.
    Mr G., "I personally do not drink before evening on a sunday". For the rest of the week? Putting it away with both hands before breakfast are we?
    Hurst , work Monday - Friday so out then as well most of the time, so only leaves Saturday afternoon as suitable. As before mornings are a No NO any time.

    PS doing a small bit of painting , repair of previous shoddy job, will no doubt need a beer after that.
    Crumbs, Mr. G., most of your best and pithiest comments on here are posted in the mornings, when, as you now tell us, you haven't touched a drop. Full respect, Sir, full respect. Others might say it might explain why you are so grumpy before luncheon, but just ignore them.
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746

    rogerh said:

    The Lib Dem vote share for the Locals was 11%.The LD's usually poll higher in locals than their national polling share.(Latest figure UK Gov 9% )However in the Euros the LD's consistently poll less than their national opinion poll ratings.So what share figure to the nearest % can we expect to see in tonight's Euro results?

    No it wasn't 11% , that is the R and T NEV estimate , the BBC NEV estimate was 13% My actual figure is running around 13% with about 60% of the councils done .
    Isn't the BBC number something different? "Projected national share of the vote" rather than NEV.

  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498
    Carnyx said:

    malcolmg said:

    JBriskin said:

    Is it whisky time yet Malcolm?

    Briskin , well late enough to have one if you wish , though cretins like Monica would drive you to drink at any time. I personally do not drink before evening on a sunday.
    Mr G., "I personally do not drink before evening on a sunday". For the rest of the week? Putting it away with both hands before breakfast are we?
    Depends how late the previus night he goes to bed, I suppose.

    I've a bottle of Caorunn gin and will have some before dinner in a little while - haven't made up my mind yet.

    http://www.caorunngin.com/

    carnyx, that looks the business. I shall give that a try in the very near future.
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    Hmmm, I don't follow that Morris.

    I want Hamilton to do well so that his confidence is up and I can start betting on him again.

    My fun Kimi bet kept me interested.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498

    Mr. G, taking over what?

    F1 tipping
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    How will the UK results be declared tonight?

    Will it just be one declaration for each region? Or will we get results for smaller areas as they become available?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    surbiton said:

    isam said:

    Just a few weeks ago some of the smugger posters here were sarcastically saying if ukip were so strong in WWC areas what about Doncaster?


    General Election (@UKELECTIONS2015)
    25/05/2014 11:23
    Doncaster vote

    #Labour 26,552
    #UKIP 22,046

    since 2010 locals

    Lab +2.1%
    UKIP +30.4%

    Ed Miliband Doncaster North MP

    #UKIP a Tory Problem?

    So how much are you putting on UKIP winning Doncaster North ?

    Sadly, Betfair doesn't even offer odds on DN .
    Depends what price they are

    I hope ed wins there tbh I think he is a nice guy that gets a raw deal
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    JBriskin said:

    Is it whisky time yet Malcolm?

    Briskin , well late enough to have one if you wish , though cretins like Monica would drive you to drink at any time. I personally do not drink before evening on a sunday.
    Mr G., "I personally do not drink before evening on a sunday". For the rest of the week? Putting it away with both hands before breakfast are we?
    Hurst , work Monday - Friday so out then as well most of the time, so only leaves Saturday afternoon as suitable. As before mornings are a No NO any time.

    PS doing a small bit of painting , repair of previous shoddy job, will no doubt need a beer after that.
    Crumbs, Mr. G., most of your best and pithiest comments on here are posted in the mornings, when, as you now tell us, you haven't touched a drop. Full respect, Sir, full respect. Others might say it might explain why you are so grumpy before luncheon, but just ignore them.
    Thank you Hurst , just a grumpy old git more like
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699

    rogerh said:

    The Lib Dem vote share for the Locals was 11%.The LD's usually poll higher in locals than their national polling share.(Latest figure UK Gov 9% )However in the Euros the LD's consistently poll less than their national opinion poll ratings.So what share figure to the nearest % can we expect to see in tonight's Euro results?

    No it wasn't 11% , that is the R and T NEV estimate , the BBC NEV estimate was 13% My actual figure is running around 13% with about 60% of the councils done .
    Isn't the BBC number something different? "Projected national share of the vote" rather than NEV.

    Same principle different name
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