Well, PB is full of entertainment, but this juxtaposition from the previous thread takes the biscuit. Are there perhaps two people posting as 'Socrates', with diametrically opposite views?
Socrates 1, 7:41pm: The Tories aren't liberals, as the GCHQ intrusions and snooper's charter show very well. They're more just the front group for the elite: siding with... government agencies on individual privacy matters,
Socrates 2, 8.02pm: Abu Hamza found guilty of terrorism. Part of me is appalled that he was in this country for so long and we couldn't convict him, but the rest is happy that that means he gets convicted in a country where prison is a proper punishment.
Surely these two post cannot have been posted by the same person?
Unless of course Socrates thinks intelligence gathering by wiretapping is OK as long as it is directed at people of whom he disapproves.
An interesting point about the over 70s and accurate. They may have old-fashioned attitudes. I'm sure there will be a few around who think that nice Neil and Mr TSE just need to meet the right girl.
And the same goes for racism. They've been left behind a little as the world has changed around them. But these things are cyclical (as is everything). In another half century. perhaps these young people who know it all now will be looked upon then as ancient remnants from an old world?
UKIP slightly off the boil, judging by that lot, but hard to be sure. On the Labour side I gather we've been having a good ground war purely in terms of coverage - significantly more door-knocking and leafleting than in any previous Euro election (which doesn't set the bar very high, though), and we're not detecting massive losses to UKIP after some early wobbles.
My guess is that it'll be very close nationally between Labour and UKIP with the Tories some way back. Note the Green uptick in the two polls that mention them - that's not unusual at Euros and could well land them a few more seats, and I'd bet on them overtkaing the LibDems - where are the best current odds on that?
Still no Newark polling - perhaps the pollsters feel it's going to be misleading to poll before the Euro outcome.
Well, PB is full of entertainment, but this juxtaposition from the previous thread takes the biscuit. Are there perhaps two people posting as 'Socrates', with diametrically opposite views?
Socrates 1, 7:41pm: The Tories aren't liberals, as the GCHQ intrusions and snooper's charter show very well. They're more just the front group for the elite: siding with... government agencies on individual privacy matters,
Socrates 2, 8.02pm: Abu Hamza found guilty of terrorism. Part of me is appalled that he was in this country for so long and we couldn't convict him, but the rest is happy that that means he gets convicted in a country where prison is a proper punishment.
Surely these two post cannot have been posted by the same person?
Unless of course Socrates thinks intelligence gathering by wiretapping is OK as long as it is directed at people of whom he disapproves.
@tnewtondunn: Farage tells Paxman it's ok to hold office and openly dislike gay people if you're over 70, like MEP Roger Helmer. Staggering.
Not really, people in that age group were brought up to regard homosexuality as a sin.
It's not ok to hold those views, regardless of age or background.
It is important to understand why those views exist and why the legislation against homosexuality was abolished. It boils down to religion and blackmail, many people have those views because they are religious and the tide in favour of gays started because many where blackmailed due to it being illegal. Gays would loose their jobs or denied employment before the 1990's if their sexual preference was revealed, it was that reason that in the cold war the secret agencies tried to find out if one was gay to blackmail them for info. Blackmail is a much worse crime than being gay, so the law was changed and being gay is no longer a crime.
It still a serious ecclesiastical crime in the Roman Catholic Church. And, yes, there was indeed a case of blackmail in Scotland last year.
The tide in favour of gays started when contraceptives became freely available in the 1960's. After that, who could criticise non-procreative sex. This would explain the vitriol from gays against the Pope in 2010.
I wonder if they are behind the vitriol against UKIP now?
Not content with blaming us for the rain, you want to blame us for UKIP pressing the self-destruct button? That's a bit harsh.
An interesting point about the over 70s and accurate. They may have old-fashioned attitudes. I'm sure there will be a few around who think that nice Neil and Mr TSE just need to meet the right girl.
And the same goes for racism. They've been left behind a little as the world has changed around them. But these things are cyclical (as is everything). In another half century. perhaps these young people who know it all now will be looked upon then as ancient remnants from an old world?
Heh, I'm married, to a woman.
You're not the first person to think I'm gay.
Oscar Wilde was married.
Yehbut Oscar Wilde isn't as witty as me.
Plus, I'm more into Olivia Wilde than Oscar Wilde.
An interesting point about the over 70s and accurate. They may have old-fashioned attitudes. I'm sure there will be a few around who think that nice Neil and Mr TSE just need to meet the right girl.
And the same goes for racism. They've been left behind a little as the world has changed around them. But these things are cyclical (as is everything). In another half century. perhaps these young people who know it all now will be looked upon then as ancient remnants from an old world?
An interesting point about the over 70s and accurate. They may have old-fashioned attitudes. I'm sure there will be a few around who think that nice Neil and Mr TSE just need to meet the right girl.
And the same goes for racism. They've been left behind a little as the world has changed around them. But these things are cyclical (as is everything). In another half century. perhaps these young people who know it all now will be looked upon then as ancient remnants from an old world?
@tnewtondunn: Farage tells Paxman it's ok to hold office and openly dislike gay people if you're over 70, like MEP Roger Helmer. Staggering.
Even odder, since Helmer claims that he does not dislike gay people - merely has a preference for heterosexuality and preferring homosexuality is fine too:
It is morally acceptable to prefer heterosexuality over homosexuality, or vice versa. Most of us prefer one or the other.
@tnewtondunn: Farage tells Paxman it's ok to hold office and openly dislike gay people if you're over 70, like MEP Roger Helmer. Staggering.
Not really, people in that age group were brought up to regard homosexuality as a sin.
It's not ok to hold those views, regardless of age or background.
It is important to understand why those views exist and why the legislation against homosexuality was abolished. It boils down to religion and blackmail, many people have those views because they are religious and the tide in favour of gays started because many where blackmailed due to it being illegal. Gays would loose their jobs or denied employment before the 1990's if their sexual preference was revealed, it was that reason that in the cold war the secret agencies tried to find out if one was gay to blackmail them for info. Blackmail is a much worse crime than being gay, so the law was changed and being gay is no longer a crime.
It still a serious ecclesiastical crime in the Roman Catholic Church. And, yes, there was indeed a case of blackmail in Scotland last year.
The tide in favour of gays started when contraceptives became freely available in the 1960's. After that, who could criticise non-procreative sex. This would explain the vitriol from gays against the Pope in 2010.
I wonder if they are behind the vitriol against UKIP now?
Not content with blaming us for the rain, you want to blame us for UKIP pressing the self-destruct button? That's a bit harsh.
It rains on the just and the unjust, antifrank.
I've certainly identified one homosexual with a vendetta against UKIP - Matthew Parris of The Times. Perhaps this has something to do with his civil partner working in Downing Street.
Unless they really do have a machine for reading thoughts, you can hold any views you like. Broadcasting those views, or discriminating with them is the crime.
Politicians are in ad class apart in this respect as they are paid to express and act upon their views. It is therefore unacceptable for any of them to be prejudiced in this way. I don't want racists, sexists or homophobes deciding my laws because I don't want the sort of laws they'd favour.
Legislators are full of prejudices. It's why they go into politics. Bland, unprejudiced people would never tolerate political life.
@tnewtondunn: Farage tells Paxman it's ok to hold office and openly dislike gay people if you're over 70, like MEP Roger Helmer. Staggering.
It seems that elder UKIP supporters and Muslims have something in common after all.
I'd be surprised if many elderly UKIP supporters or Moslems actively disliked gay people. They might dislike state recognition of gay relationships and be uncomfortable with gay couples generally, but that is very different and is certainly a product of upbringing. Let's face it - we all know elderly people of all political persuasions who are like that. And who talk about "coloured" people etc for that matter. It's entirely innocent of any malice.
An interesting point about the over 70s and accurate. They may have old-fashioned attitudes. I'm sure there will be a few around who think that nice Neil and Mr TSE just need to meet the right girl.
And the same goes for racism. They've been left behind a little as the world has changed around them. But these things are cyclical (as is everything). In another half century. perhaps these young people who know it all now will be looked upon then as ancient remnants from an old world?
Heh, I'm married, to a woman.
You're not the first person to think I'm gay.
Oscar Wilde was married.
Yehbut Oscar Wilde isn't as witty as me.
Plus, I'm more into Olivia Wilde than Oscar Wilde.
"That might come as a bit of a surprise to Mr TSE's wife."
Apologies to Mr TSE (if that's not being homophobic). I must have misconstrued his earlier remarks today. If Neil's straight too, I will give up.
But as far as I can see, Farage was only stating facts there (unlike me).
Obviously my tastes in culture, my exquisite tastes in fashion and music can confuse people.
Add in I'm a former public schoolboy, and well....
Metrosexual static, it can really interfere with a persons gaydar
I've been confusing gaydars since 1998.
The chaps who got married this weekend, I went to see Girls Aloud with them last year, after the gig they said to my wife, that they would be there for her when I finally came out.
Apparently no straight man knows and enjoys all the words of Girls Aloud songs that much.
@tnewtondunn: Farage tells Paxman it's ok to hold office and openly dislike gay people if you're over 70, like MEP Roger Helmer. Staggering.
Not really, people in that age group were brought up to regard homosexuality as a sin.
It's not ok to hold those views, regardless of age or background.
It is important to understand why those views exist and why the legislation against homosexuality was abolished. It boils down to religion and blackmail, many people have those views because they are religious and the tide in favour of gays started because many where blackmailed due to it being illegal. Gays would loose their jobs or denied employment before the 1990's if their sexual preference was revealed, it was that reason that in the cold war the secret agencies tried to find out if one was gay to blackmail them for info. Blackmail is a much worse crime than being gay, so the law was changed and being gay is no longer a crime.
It still a serious ecclesiastical crime in the Roman Catholic Church. And, yes, there was indeed a case of blackmail in Scotland last year.
The tide in favour of gays started when contraceptives became freely available in the 1960's. After that, who could criticise non-procreative sex. This would explain the vitriol from gays against the Pope in 2010.
I wonder if they are behind the vitriol against UKIP now?
Not content with blaming us for the rain, you want to blame us for UKIP pressing the self-destruct button? That's a bit harsh.
It rains on the just and the unjust, antifrank.
I've certainly identified one homosexual with a vendetta against UKIP - Matthew Parris of The Times. Perhaps this has something to do with his civil partner working in Downing Street.
Moving on from net curtain racism to a homosexual conspiracy? I'm not sure that's the best way for UKIP to recover its equilibrium.
@tnewtondunn: Farage tells Paxman it's ok to hold office and openly dislike gay people if you're over 70, like MEP Roger Helmer. Staggering.
Even odder, since Helmer claims that he does not dislike gay people - merely has a preference for heterosexuality and preferring homosexuality is fine too:
It is morally acceptable to prefer heterosexuality over homosexuality, or vice versa. Most of us prefer one or the other.
It's barely worth taking any notice of Newton Dunn when it comes to ukip. He is like Tim with Osborne, or Hodges with Miliband.
Helmer is a political rival of his Dad for a start, but more to the point, Farage didn't say anything of the sort. If he had it would have been staggering. He just said people who grew up in a different era can find it harder to accept social change, but Helmer had seen the light.
No doubt in 40 years there will be things that we consider wrong now that will be perfectly acceptable to our grand kids, it's always been the same
@tnewtondunn: Farage tells Paxman it's ok to hold office and openly dislike gay people if you're over 70, like MEP Roger Helmer. Staggering.
Not really, people in that age group were brought up to regard homosexuality as a sin.
It's not ok to hold those views, regardless of age or background.
It is important to understand why those views exist and why the legislation against homosexuality was abolished. It boils down to religion and blackmail, many people have those views because they are religious and the tide in favour of gays started because many where blackmailed due to it being illegal. Gays would loose their jobs or denied employment before the 1990's if their sexual preference was revealed, it was that reason that in the cold war the secret agencies tried to find out if one was gay to blackmail them for info. Blackmail is a much worse crime than being gay, so the law was changed and being gay is no longer a crime.
It still a serious ecclesiastical crime in the Roman Catholic Church. And, yes, there was indeed a case of blackmail in Scotland last year.
The tide in favour of gays started when contraceptives became freely available in the 1960's. After that, who could criticise non-procreative sex. This would explain the vitriol from gays against the Pope in 2010.
I wonder if they are behind the vitriol against UKIP now?
Not content with blaming us for the rain, you want to blame us for UKIP pressing the self-destruct button? That's a bit harsh.
It rains on the just and the unjust, antifrank.
I've certainly identified one homosexual with a vendetta against UKIP - Matthew Parris of The Times. Perhaps this has something to do with his civil partner working in Downing Street.
Thank you for your understanding. Nothing wrong with being a fashion icon.
Going back to the 1950s and 1960s, the mood was completely different. The past really is a foreign country sometimes, so Farage was right to ask that people give the oldies a bit of break.
@tnewtondunn: Farage tells Paxman it's ok to hold office and openly dislike gay people if you're over 70, like MEP Roger Helmer. Staggering.
It seems that elder UKIP supporters and Muslims have something in common after all.
I'd be surprised if many elderly UKIP supporters or Moslems actively disliked gay people. They might dislike state recognition of gay relationships and be uncomfortable with gay couples generally, but that is very different and is certainly a product of upbringing. Let's face it - we all know elderly people of all political persuasions who are like that. And who talk about "coloured" people etc for that matter. It's entirely innocent of any malice.
Unless they really do have a machine for reading thoughts, you can hold any views you like. Broadcasting those views, or discriminating with them is the crime.
Politicians are in ad class apart in this respect as they are paid to express and act upon their views. It is therefore unacceptable for any of them to be prejudiced in this way. I don't want racists, sexists or homophobes deciding my laws because I don't want the sort of laws they'd favour.
Legislators are full of prejudices. It's why they go into politics. Bland, unprejudiced people would never tolerate political life.
"That might come as a bit of a surprise to Mr TSE's wife."
Apologies to Mr TSE (if that's not being homophobic). I must have misconstrued his earlier remarks today. If Neil's straight too, I will give up.
But as far as I can see, Farage was only stating facts there (unlike me).
Obviously my tastes in culture, my exquisite tastes in fashion and music can confuse people.
Add in I'm a former public schoolboy, and well....
Metrosexual static, it can really interfere with a persons gaydar
I've been confusing gaydars since 1998.
The chaps who got married this weekend, I went to see Girls Aloud with them last year, after the gig they said to my wife, that they would be there for her when I finally came out.
Apparently no straight man knows and enjoys all the words of Girls Aloud songs that much.
I'm just reading all this wondering what signs I obliviously missed that were meant to set off any forms of radar in my head. This always happens to me...
Thank you for your understanding. Nothing wrong with being a fashion icon.
Going back to the 1950s and 1960s, the mood was completely different. The past really is a foreign country sometimes, so Farage was right to ask that people give the oldies a bit of break.
As I've said, you're not the first person to think I'm gay.
I'm quite prepared to admit the hottest people in the universe after my wife is Benedict Cumberbatch, Tom Hiddleston, Karen Gillan, Emma Stone and Christina Hendricks
An interesting point about the over 70s and accurate. They may have old-fashioned attitudes. I'm sure there will be a few around who think that nice Neil and Mr TSE just need to meet the right girl.
And the same goes for racism. They've been left behind a little as the world has changed around them. But these things are cyclical (as is everything). In another half century. perhaps these young people who know it all now will be looked upon then as ancient remnants from an old world?
Heh, I'm married, to a woman.
You're not the first person to think I'm gay.
It might be the shoes.
..... or then again, maybe it's the gay clubs you've been frequenting for the past 15 years.
An interesting point about the over 70s and accurate. They may have old-fashioned attitudes. I'm sure there will be a few around who think that nice Neil and Mr TSE just need to meet the right girl.
And the same goes for racism. They've been left behind a little as the world has changed around them. But these things are cyclical (as is everything). In another half century. perhaps these young people who know it all now will be looked upon then as ancient remnants from an old world?
Heh, I'm married, to a woman.
You're not the first person to think I'm gay.
Oscar Wilde was married.
Yehbut Oscar Wilde isn't as witty as me.
Plus, I'm more into Olivia Wilde than Oscar Wilde.
An interesting point about the over 70s and accurate. They may have old-fashioned attitudes. I'm sure there will be a few around who think that nice Neil and Mr TSE just need to meet the right girl.
And the same goes for racism. They've been left behind a little as the world has changed around them. But these things are cyclical (as is everything). In another half century. perhaps these young people who know it all now will be looked upon then as ancient remnants from an old world?
Heh, I'm married, to a woman.
You're not the first person to think I'm gay.
Oscar Wilde was married.
Yehbut Oscar Wilde isn't as witty as me.
Plus, I'm more into Olivia Wilde than Oscar Wilde.
@tnewtondunn: Farage tells Paxman it's ok to hold office and openly dislike gay people if you're over 70, like MEP Roger Helmer. Staggering.
Not really, people in that age group were brought up to regard homosexuality as a sin.
It's not ok to hold those views, regardless of age or background.
It is important to understand why those views exist and why the legislation against homosexuality was abolished. It boils down to religion and blackmail, many people have those views because they are religious and the tide in favour of gays started because many where blackmailed due to it being illegal. Gays would loose their jobs or denied employment before the 1990's if their sexual preference was revealed, it was that reason that in the cold war the secret agencies tried to find out if one was gay to blackmail them for info. Blackmail is a much worse crime than being gay, so the law was changed and being gay is no longer a crime.
It still a serious ecclesiastical crime in the Roman Catholic Church. And, yes, there was indeed a case of blackmail in Scotland last year.
The tide in favour of gays started when contraceptives became freely available in the 1960's. After that, who could criticise non-procreative sex. This would explain the vitriol from gays against the Pope in 2010.
I wonder if they are behind the vitriol against UKIP now?
Not content with blaming us for the rain, you want to blame us for UKIP pressing the self-destruct button? That's a bit harsh.
It rains on the just and the unjust, antifrank.
I've certainly identified one homosexual with a vendetta against UKIP - Matthew Parris of The Times. Perhaps this has something to do with his civil partner working in Downing Street.
I imagine that the proportion of gay voters who vote UKIP on Thursday won't be much different from the proportion of the electorate as a whole. After all, there are gay voters who dislike the EU and mass immigration.
@tnewtondunn: Farage tells Paxman it's ok to hold office and openly dislike gay people if you're over 70, like MEP Roger Helmer. Staggering.
Even odder, since Helmer claims that he does not dislike gay people - merely has a preference for heterosexuality and preferring homosexuality is fine too:
It is morally acceptable to prefer heterosexuality over homosexuality, or vice versa. Most of us prefer one or the other.
"That might come as a bit of a surprise to Mr TSE's wife."
Apologies to Mr TSE (if that's not being homophobic). I must have misconstrued his earlier remarks today. If Neil's straight too, I will give up.
But as far as I can see, Farage was only stating facts there (unlike me).
Obviously my tastes in culture, my exquisite tastes in fashion and music can confuse people.
Add in I'm a former public schoolboy, and well....
Metrosexual static, it can really interfere with a persons gaydar
I've been confusing gaydars since 1998.
The chaps who got married this weekend, I went to see Girls Aloud with them last year, after the gig they said to my wife, that they would be there for her when I finally came out.
Apparently no straight man knows and enjoys all the words of Girls Aloud songs that much.
I'm just reading all this wondering what signs I obliviously missed that were meant to set off any forms of radar in my head. This always happens to me...
My tastes in music, shoes, fashion in general and the fact I've spent a lot of time in gay clubs.
It's not my fault Poptastic plays my kind of music.
@tnewtondunn: Farage tells Paxman it's ok to hold office and openly dislike gay people if you're over 70, like MEP Roger Helmer. Staggering.
Not really, people in that age group were brought up to regard homosexuality as a sin.
It's not ok to hold those views, regardless of age or background.
It is important to understand why those views exist and why the legislation against homosexuality was abolished. It boils down to religion and blackmail, many people have those views because they are religious and the tide in favour of gays started because many where blackmailed due to it being illegal. Gays would loose their jobs or denied employment before the 1990's if their sexual preference was revealed, it was that reason that in the cold war the secret agencies tried to find out if one was gay to blackmail them for info. Blackmail is a much worse crime than being gay, so the law was changed and being gay is no longer a crime.
It still a serious ecclesiastical crime in the Roman Catholic Church. And, yes, there was indeed a case of blackmail in Scotland last year.
The tide in favour of gays started when contraceptives became freely available in the 1960's. After that, who could criticise non-procreative sex. This would explain the vitriol from gays against the Pope in 2010.
I wonder if they are behind the vitriol against UKIP now?
Not content with blaming us for the rain, you want to blame us for UKIP pressing the self-destruct button? That's a bit harsh.
It rains on the just and the unjust, antifrank.
I've certainly identified one homosexual with a vendetta against UKIP - Matthew Parris of The Times. Perhaps this has something to do with his civil partner working in Downing Street.
I think its more about money and power than sex.
I'm just saying the similarities between the Papal Visit of 2010 and this Euro election are striking.
And I think the reason gays lost all common sense in 2010 was because of money and power. Oddly, I can sort of prove it.
Going back to the 1950s and 1960s, the mood was completely different. The past really is a foreign country sometimes, so Farage was right to ask that people give the oldies a bit of break.
Indeed, but UKIP are not obliged to select someone for one of their very few winnable high-profile elected positions as an MEP and potential MP whose views are objectionable to the party as a whole and its supporters. So one can only assume that they not simply 'giving the oldies a bit of a break', as they might reasonably do for someone using old-fashioned language, but are quite happy with those 1950s/1960s views in 2014.
@tnewtondunn: Farage tells Paxman it's ok to hold office and openly dislike gay people if you're over 70, like MEP Roger Helmer. Staggering.
It seems that elder UKIP supporters and Muslims have something in common after all.
I'd be surprised if many elderly UKIP supporters or Moslems actively disliked gay people. They might dislike state recognition of gay relationships and be uncomfortable with gay couples generally, but that is very different and is certainly a product of upbringing. Let's face it - we all know elderly people of all political persuasions who are like that. And who talk about "coloured" people etc for that matter. It's entirely innocent of any malice.
What happened to the other SO? Who is this SO1?
It's me on my mobile. I can't log in as SO for some reason I can't be bothered to work out.
@tnewtondunn: Farage tells Paxman it's ok to hold office and openly dislike gay people if you're over 70, like MEP Roger Helmer. Staggering.
It seems that elder UKIP supporters and Muslims have something in common after all.
I'd be surprised if many elderly UKIP supporters or Moslems actively disliked gay people. They might dislike state recognition of gay relationships and be uncomfortable with gay couples generally, but that is very different and is certainly a product of upbringing. Let's face it - we all know elderly people of all political persuasions who are like that. And who talk about "coloured" people etc for that matter. It's entirely innocent of any malice.
What happened to the other SO? Who is this SO1?
It's me on my mobile. I can't log in as SO for some reason I can't be bothered to work out.
Is it an iPhone? If so safari is a bloody pain, use chrome.
So after all those attacks what's left? Well of the many things the media can accuse Farage they wont accuse him of being a Nazi because it's too obvious, Commie isn't one because it's ludicrous, Liberal is too soft, so what's left? Adulterer check. Embezzler check. Coward check. Racist check. Labour plant check. Tory plant check.
Anything else that Farage has being accused of that I can't remember?
An interesting point about the over 70s and accurate. They may have old-fashioned attitudes. I'm sure there will be a few around who think that nice Neil and Mr TSE just need to meet the right girl.
And the same goes for racism. They've been left behind a little as the world has changed around them. But these things are cyclical (as is everything). In another half century. perhaps these young people who know it all now will be looked upon then as ancient remnants from an old world?
Heh, I'm married, to a woman.
You're not the first person to think I'm gay.
Oscar Wilde was married.
Yehbut Oscar Wilde isn't as witty as me.
Plus, I'm more into Olivia Wilde than Oscar Wilde.
Oscar Wilde was also a child abuser.
If you are referring to Lord Alfred Douglas, it's far from clear who was the abuser, and who was abused. Douglas comes out of most accounts pretty badly (and their affair began when Douglas was over 20)
Going back to the 1950s and 1960s, the mood was completely different. The past really is a foreign country sometimes, so Farage was right to ask that people give the oldies a bit of break.
Indeed, but UKIP are not obliged to select someone for one of their very few winnable high-profile elected positions as an MEP and potential MP whose views are objectionable to the party as a whole and its supporters. So one can only assume that they not simply 'giving the oldies a bit of a break', as they might reasonably do for someone using old-fashioned language, but are quite happy with those 1950s/1960s views in 2014.
Worth remembering Newark is one of the older constituencies out there demographically, it might not be entirely accidental Helmer was selected.
Thank you for your understanding. Nothing wrong with being a fashion icon.
Going back to the 1950s and 1960s, the mood was completely different. The past really is a foreign country sometimes, so Farage was right to ask that people give the oldies a bit of break.
As I've said, you're not the first person to think I'm gay.
I'm quite prepared to admit the hottest people in the universe after my wife is Benedict Cumberbatch, Tom Hiddleston, Karen Gillan, Emma Stone and Christina Hendricks
@tnewtondunn: Farage tells Paxman it's ok to hold office and openly dislike gay people if you're over 70, like MEP Roger Helmer. Staggering.
Not really, people in that age group were brought up to regard homosexuality as a sin.
It's not ok to hold those views, regardless of age or background.
It is important to understand why those views exist and why the legislation against homosexuality was abolished. It boils down to religion and blackmail, many people have those views because they are religious and the tide in favour of gays started because many where blackmailed due to it being illegal. Gays would loose their jobs or denied employment before the 1990's if their sexual preference was revealed, it was that reason that in the cold war the secret agencies tried to find out if one was gay to blackmail them for info. Blackmail is a much worse crime than being gay, so the law was changed and being gay is no longer a crime.
It still a serious ecclesiastical crime in the Roman Catholic Church. And, yes, there was indeed a case of blackmail in Scotland last year.
The tide in favour of gays started when contraceptives became freely available in the 1960's. After that, who could criticise non-procreative sex. This would explain the vitriol from gays against the Pope in 2010.
I wonder if they are behind the vitriol against UKIP now?
Not content with blaming us for the rain, you want to blame us for UKIP pressing the self-destruct button? That's a bit harsh.
It rains on the just and the unjust, antifrank.
I've certainly identified one homosexual with a vendetta against UKIP - Matthew Parris of The Times. Perhaps this has something to do with his civil partner working in Downing Street.
I imagine that the proportion of gay voters who vote UKIP on Thursday won't be much different from the proportion of the electorate as a whole. After all, there are gay voters who dislike the EU and mass immigration.
Well, they'd better explain where the next generation is going to come from.
UKIP's anti-SSM and anti-immigration stance actually makes sense.
"That might come as a bit of a surprise to Mr TSE's wife."
Apologies to Mr TSE (if that's not being homophobic). I must have misconstrued his earlier remarks today. If Neil's straight too, I will give up.
But as far as I can see, Farage was only stating facts there (unlike me).
Obviously my tastes in culture, my exquisite tastes in fashion and music can confuse people.
Add in I'm a former public schoolboy, and well....
Metrosexual static, it can really interfere with a persons gaydar
I've been confusing gaydars since 1998.
The chaps who got married this weekend, I went to see Girls Aloud with them last year, after the gig they said to my wife, that they would be there for her when I finally came out.
Apparently no straight man knows and enjoys all the words of Girls Aloud songs that much.
I'm just reading all this wondering what signs I obliviously missed that were meant to set off any forms of radar in my head. This always happens to me...
My tastes in music, shoes, fashion in general and the fact I've spent a lot of time in gay clubs.
Of course the idea that musical taste etc is an indicator of homosexual persuasion is a form of prejudice of itself. I can't stand pop music and have zero interest in fashion and am generally perceived as "the straightest gay man to walk the earth".
@tnewtondunn: Farage tells Paxman it's ok to hold office and openly dislike gay people if you're over 70, like MEP Roger Helmer. Staggering.
Not really, people in that age group were brought up to regard homosexuality as a sin.
It's not ok to hold those views, regardless of age or background.
It is important to understand why those views exist and why the legislation against homosexuality was abolished. It boils down to religion and blackmail, many people have those views because they are religious and the tide in favour of gays started because many where blackmailed due to it being illegal. Gays would loose their jobs or denied employment before the 1990's if their sexual preference was revealed, it was that reason that in the cold war the secret agencies tried to find out if one was gay to blackmail them for info. Blackmail is a much worse crime than being gay, so the law was changed and being gay is no longer a crime.
It still a serious ecclesiastical crime in the Roman Catholic Church. And, yes, there was indeed a case of blackmail in Scotland last year.
The tide in favour of gays started when contraceptives became freely available in the 1960's. After that, who could criticise non-procreative sex. This would explain the vitriol from gays against the Pope in 2010.
I wonder if they are behind the vitriol against UKIP now?
Not content with blaming us for the rain, you want to blame us for UKIP pressing the self-destruct button? That's a bit harsh.
It rains on the just and the unjust, antifrank.
I've certainly identified one homosexual with a vendetta against UKIP - Matthew Parris of The Times. Perhaps this has something to do with his civil partner working in Downing Street.
I imagine that the proportion of gay voters who vote UKIP on Thursday won't be much different from the proportion of the electorate as a whole. After all, there are gay voters who dislike the EU and mass immigration.
UKIP's lead Scottish candidate, David Coburn, is gay. UKIPhobia is boring and bigoted.
So after all those attacks what's left? Well of the many things the media can accuse Farage they wont accuse him of being a Nazi because it's too obvious, Commie isn't one because it's ludicrous, Liberal is too soft, so what's left? Adulterer check. Embezzler check. Coward check. Racist check. Labour plant check. Tory plant check.
Anything else that Farage has being accused of that I can't remember?
@tnewtondunn: Farage tells Paxman it's ok to hold office and openly dislike gay people if you're over 70, like MEP Roger Helmer. Staggering.
It seems that elder UKIP supporters and Muslims have something in common after all.
I'd be surprised if many elderly UKIP supporters or Moslems actively disliked gay people. They might dislike state recognition of gay relationships and be uncomfortable with gay couples generally, but that is very different and is certainly a product of upbringing. Let's face it - we all know elderly people of all political persuasions who are like that. And who talk about "coloured" people etc for that matter. It's entirely innocent of any malice.
What happened to the other SO? Who is this SO1?
It's me on my mobile. I can't log in as SO for some reason I can't be bothered to work out.
Is it an iPhone? If so safari is a bloody pain, use chrome.
It is. But this solution seems to be working at the moment.
Thank you for your understanding. Nothing wrong with being a fashion icon.
Going back to the 1950s and 1960s, the mood was completely different. The past really is a foreign country sometimes, so Farage was right to ask that people give the oldies a bit of break.
As I've said, you're not the first person to think I'm gay.
I'm quite prepared to admit the hottest people in the universe after my wife is Benedict Cumberbatch, Tom Hiddleston, Karen Gillan, Emma Stone and Christina Hendricks
All of them are after your wife? Blimey.
I think all this is achieving is getting PBers to request your wife joins you at the next Dirty Dicks...
An interesting point about the over 70s and accurate. They may have old-fashioned attitudes. I'm sure there will be a few around who think that nice Neil and Mr TSE just need to meet the right girl.
And the same goes for racism. They've been left behind a little as the world has changed around them. But these things are cyclical (as is everything). In another half century. perhaps these young people who know it all now will be looked upon then as ancient remnants from an old world?
Heh, I'm married, to a woman.
You're not the first person to think I'm gay.
Oscar Wilde was married.
Yehbut Oscar Wilde isn't as witty as me.
Plus, I'm more into Olivia Wilde than Oscar Wilde.
Oscar Wilde was also a child abuser.
Source?
Take a look at those witnesses at his trials.
And those were only the ones old enough to testify.
So after last week's wobble Labour is surging again.
Or perhaps it's just European elections season and so not worth reading anything into it. Pity the pollsters. I wonder what Mr Axelrod makes of this given the general accuracy of polling in the US.
The Greens got 8% lat time, it would be a big failure for them not to get higher this time.
"That might come as a bit of a surprise to Mr TSE's wife."
Apologies to Mr TSE (if that's not being homophobic). I must have misconstrued his earlier remarks today. If Neil's straight too, I will give up.
But as far as I can see, Farage was only stating facts there (unlike me).
Obviously my tastes in culture, my exquisite tastes in fashion and music can confuse people.
Add in I'm a former public schoolboy, and well....
Metrosexual static, it can really interfere with a persons gaydar
I've been confusing gaydars since 1998.
The chaps who got married this weekend, I went to see Girls Aloud with them last year, after the gig they said to my wife, that they would be there for her when I finally came out.
Apparently no straight man knows and enjoys all the words of Girls Aloud songs that much.
I'm just reading all this wondering what signs I obliviously missed that were meant to set off any forms of radar in my head. This always happens to me...
My tastes in music, shoes, fashion in general and the fact I've spent a lot of time in gay clubs.
Of course the idea that musical taste etc is an indicator of homosexual persuasion is a form of prejudice of itself. I can't stand pop music and have zero interest in fashion and am generally perceived as "the straightest gay man to walk the earth".
I know.
The other prejudice I face is that, because I'm a Muslim* I must be intolerant of homosexuality.
The guy who asked me to be his best man, I helped him when he was struggling coming out when we were both 18, and he contemplated suicide because the law was an arse. I consider my helping him as one of my finest achievements.
*I'm a very good Muslim, if you ignore my constant whoring and drinking of my youth.
Thank you for your understanding. Nothing wrong with being a fashion icon.
Going back to the 1950s and 1960s, the mood was completely different. The past really is a foreign country sometimes, so Farage was right to ask that people give the oldies a bit of break.
As I've said, you're not the first person to think I'm gay.
I'm quite prepared to admit the hottest people in the universe after my wife is Benedict Cumberbatch, Tom Hiddleston, Karen Gillan, Emma Stone and Christina Hendricks
@tnewtondunn: Farage tells Paxman it's ok to hold office and openly dislike gay people if you're over 70, like MEP Roger Helmer. Staggering.
It seems that elder UKIP supporters and Muslims have something in common after all.
I'd be surprised if many elderly UKIP supporters or Moslems actively disliked gay people. They might dislike state recognition of gay relationships and be uncomfortable with gay couples generally, but that is very different and is certainly a product of upbringing. Let's face it - we all know elderly people of all political persuasions who are like that. And who talk about "coloured" people etc for that matter. It's entirely innocent of any malice.
What happened to the other SO? Who is this SO1?
It's me on my mobile. I can't log in as SO for some reason I can't be bothered to work out.
Is it an iPhone? If so safari is a bloody pain, use chrome.
It is. But this solution seems to be working at the moment.
For some reason apple devices and vanilla forums are not getting on.
Are you not being intolerant? You're saying an prospective MP has to agree to a current set of values? Anyone who doesn't has to hide their secret away? Would they not be a target for blackmail? Sounds familiar somehow. Just like the sixties.
So after last week's wobble Labour is surging again.
Or perhaps it's just European elections season and so not worth reading anything into it. Pity the pollsters. I wonder what Mr Axelrod makes of this given the general accuracy of polling in the US.
The Greens got 8% lat time, it would be a big failure for them not to get higher this time.
The Greens had a (fairly) charismatic leader who knew how to maximise and use the media coverage of her party. Now they have Natalie Bennett. I'd be surprised if they match their last performance. Actually if you're up for an evens bet I'd take it up to £100?
An interesting point about the over 70s and accurate. They may have old-fashioned attitudes. I'm sure there will be a few around who think that nice Neil and Mr TSE just need to meet the right girl.
And the same goes for racism. They've been left behind a little as the world has changed around them. But these things are cyclical (as is everything). In another half century. perhaps these young people who know it all now will be looked upon then as ancient remnants from an old world?
Heh, I'm married, to a woman.
You're not the first person to think I'm gay.
Oscar Wilde was married.
Yehbut Oscar Wilde isn't as witty as me.
Plus, I'm more into Olivia Wilde than Oscar Wilde.
Thank you for your understanding. Nothing wrong with being a fashion icon.
Going back to the 1950s and 1960s, the mood was completely different. The past really is a foreign country sometimes, so Farage was right to ask that people give the oldies a bit of break.
As I've said, you're not the first person to think I'm gay.
I'm quite prepared to admit the hottest people in the universe after my wife is Benedict Cumberbatch, Tom Hiddleston, Karen Gillan, Emma Stone and Christina Hendricks
All of them are after your wife? Blimey.
I think all this is achieving is getting PBers to request your wife joins you at the next Dirty Dicks...
No chance, she often tells me, she's sick to death of that politicalbetting shite.
The low point came when she found I had taken a day's holiday so I could sleep in the next morning so I could do a PB thread and watch the US Presidential debate, and the fact I was betting on things such as the colour of Mitt Romney's tie.
So after last week's wobble Labour is surging again.
Or perhaps it's just European elections season and so not worth reading anything into it. Pity the pollsters. I wonder what Mr Axelrod makes of this given the general accuracy of polling in the US.
The Greens got 8% lat time, it would be a big failure for them not to get higher this time.
I suspect the Axe is baffled by the polling. It is indeed all over the shop.
An interesting point about the over 70s and accurate. They may have old-fashioned attitudes. I'm sure there will be a few around who think that nice Neil and Mr TSE just need to meet the right girl.
And the same goes for racism. They've been left behind a little as the world has changed around them. But these things are cyclical (as is everything). In another half century. perhaps these young people who know it all now will be looked upon then as ancient remnants from an old world?
Heh, I'm married, to a woman.
You're not the first person to think I'm gay.
Oscar Wilde was married.
Yehbut Oscar Wilde isn't as witty as me.
Plus, I'm more into Olivia Wilde than Oscar Wilde.
Oscar Wilde was also a child abuser.
If you are referring to Lord Alfred Douglas, it's far from clear who was the abuser, and who was abused. Douglas comes out of most accounts pretty badly (and their affair began when Douglas was over 20)
Wilde "feasted with panthers" (ie had sex with male prostitutes as young as 15 ). A few years ago, one judge wrote an article in the Standard, explaining that Wilde would likely get a harsher sentence today than he got at the time.
Are you not being intolerant? You're saying an prospective MP has to agree to a current set of values? Anyone who doesn't has to hide their secret away? Would they not be a target for blackmail? Sounds familiar somehow. Just like the sixties.
Not at all. I believe in free speech, and, unlike many people, I don't vilify people for holding old fashioned views. Autres temps, autres moeurs.
However, UKIP can't have it both ways. They are a political party campaigning for election. If they want to campaign on a platform which might have made sense in 1952, that's fine. They wouldn't get many votes, but it's a free country, or should be. Alternatively, if they want to claim to be free of what we would now agree were 1950s and 1960s prejudices, that's also fine. In fact, it's much better - but in that case, they should ensure that their candidates - at least for the most senior couple of dozen positions - are indeed free of them, should they not?
Considering 81% of clerical child abuse victims in the USA were male, perhaps homosexuals should lose some of their self-righteous anger over this subject.
I imagine that the proportion of gay voters who vote UKIP on Thursday won't be much different from the proportion of the electorate as a whole. After all, there are gay voters who dislike the EU and mass immigration.
I'll be voting UKIP on Thu, while my bf will likely vote Conservative. The media barrage hasn't made me less likely to vote UKIP but it has made me less likely to admit it! Someone spontaneously on the weekend started a rant about how he hated UKIP and I just shut the debate down rather than take him on.
An interesting point about the over 70s and accurate. They may have old-fashioned attitudes. I'm sure there will be a few around who think that nice Neil and Mr TSE just need to meet the right girl.
And the same goes for racism. They've been left behind a little as the world has changed around them. But these things are cyclical (as is everything). In another half century. perhaps these young people who know it all now will be looked upon then as ancient remnants from an old world?
Heh, I'm married, to a woman.
You're not the first person to think I'm gay.
Oscar Wilde was married.
Yehbut Oscar Wilde isn't as witty as me.
Plus, I'm more into Olivia Wilde than Oscar Wilde.
Oscar Wilde was also a child abuser.
Source?
Take a look at those witnesses at his trials.
And those were only the ones old enough to testify.
Charles Parker 19, Alphonso Conway, 18, Lord Alfred Douglas 21. Edward Shelley 18,
Can you give a me a hint here because I'm not coming up with anything relevant?
Thank you for your understanding. Nothing wrong with being a fashion icon.
Going back to the 1950s and 1960s, the mood was completely different. The past really is a foreign country sometimes, so Farage was right to ask that people give the oldies a bit of break.
As I've said, you're not the first person to think I'm gay.
I'm quite prepared to admit the hottest people in the universe after my wife is Benedict Cumberbatch, Tom Hiddleston, Karen Gillan, Emma Stone and Christina Hendricks
All of them are after your wife? Blimey.
I think all this is achieving is getting PBers to request your wife joins you at the next Dirty Dicks...
No chance, she often tells me, she's sick to death of that politicalbetting shite.
The low point came when she found I had taken a day's holiday so I could sleep in the next morning so I could do a PB thread and watch the US Presidential debate, and the fact I was betting on things such as the colour of Mitt Romney's tie.
I hope you got the tie right and bought her a smart dinner with the winnings!
Thank you for your understanding. Nothing wrong with being a fashion icon.
Going back to the 1950s and 1960s, the mood was completely different. The past really is a foreign country sometimes, so Farage was right to ask that people give the oldies a bit of break.
As I've said, you're not the first person to think I'm gay.
I'm quite prepared to admit the hottest people in the universe after my wife is Benedict Cumberbatch, Tom Hiddleston, Karen Gillan, Emma Stone and Christina Hendricks
All of them are after your wife? Blimey.
I think all this is achieving is getting PBers to request your wife joins you at the next Dirty Dicks...
No chance, she often tells me, she's sick to death of that politicalbetting shite.
The low point came when she found I had taken a day's holiday so I could sleep in the next morning so I could do a PB thread and watch the US Presidential debate, and the fact I was betting on things such as the colour of Mitt Romney's tie.
I hope you got the tie right and bought her a smart dinner with the winnings!
Considering 81% of clerical child abuse victims in the USA were male, perhaps homosexuals should lose some of their self-righteous anger over this subject.
Thank you for your understanding. Nothing wrong with being a fashion icon.
Going back to the 1950s and 1960s, the mood was completely different. The past really is a foreign country sometimes, so Farage was right to ask that people give the oldies a bit of break.
As I've said, you're not the first person to think I'm gay.
I'm quite prepared to admit the hottest people in the universe after my wife is Benedict Cumberbatch, Tom Hiddleston, Karen Gillan, Emma Stone and Christina Hendricks
All of them are after your wife? Blimey.
I think all this is achieving is getting PBers to request your wife joins you at the next Dirty Dicks...
No chance, she often tells me, she's sick to death of that politicalbetting shite.
The low point came when she found I had taken a day's holiday so I could sleep in the next morning so I could do a PB thread and watch the US Presidential debate, and the fact I was betting on things such as the colour of Mitt Romney's tie.
I hope you got the tie right and bought her a smart dinner with the winnings!
Lost the tie but won on the buzzword bingo
I missed the debates, made a few bob on the inauguration bingo.
An interesting point about the over 70s and accurate. They may have old-fashioned attitudes. I'm sure there will be a few around who think that nice Neil and Mr TSE just need to meet the right girl.
And the same goes for racism. They've been left behind a little as the world has changed around them. But these things are cyclical (as is everything). In another half century. perhaps these young people who know it all now will be looked upon then as ancient remnants from an old world?
Heh, I'm married, to a woman.
You're not the first person to think I'm gay.
Oscar Wilde was married.
Yehbut Oscar Wilde isn't as witty as me.
Plus, I'm more into Olivia Wilde than Oscar Wilde.
Oscar Wilde was also a child abuser.
Source?
Take a look at those witnesses at his trials.
And those were only the ones old enough to testify.
Charles Parker 19, Alphonso Conway, 18, Lord Alfred Douglas 21. Edward Shelley 18,
Can you give a me a hint here because I'm not coming up with anything relevant?
All those partners would have been illegal up to the 1980's.
Thank you for your understanding. Nothing wrong with being a fashion icon.
Going back to the 1950s and 1960s, the mood was completely different. The past really is a foreign country sometimes, so Farage was right to ask that people give the oldies a bit of break.
As I've said, you're not the first person to think I'm gay.
I'm quite prepared to admit the hottest people in the universe after my wife is Benedict Cumberbatch, Tom Hiddleston, Karen Gillan, Emma Stone and Christina Hendricks
All of them are after your wife? Blimey.
I think all this is achieving is getting PBers to request your wife joins you at the next Dirty Dicks...
No chance, she often tells me, she's sick to death of that politicalbetting shite.
The low point came when she found I had taken a day's holiday so I could sleep in the next morning so I could do a PB thread and watch the US Presidential debate, and the fact I was betting on things such as the colour of Mitt Romney's tie.
I hope you got the tie right and bought her a smart dinner with the winnings!
Lost the tie but won on the buzzword bingo
I missed the debates, made a few bob on the inauguration bingo.
The Republican debates were the best.
Some of them were really like car crash TV, they featured Rick Santorum and Herman Cain!
An interesting point about the over 70s and accurate. They may have old-fashioned attitudes. I'm sure there will be a few around who think that nice Neil and Mr TSE just need to meet the right girl.
And the same goes for racism. They've been left behind a little as the world has changed around them. But these things are cyclical (as is everything). In another half century. perhaps these young people who know it all now will be looked upon then as ancient remnants from an old world?
Heh, I'm married, to a woman.
You're not the first person to think I'm gay.
Oscar Wilde was married.
Yehbut Oscar Wilde isn't as witty as me.
Plus, I'm more into Olivia Wilde than Oscar Wilde.
Oscar Wilde was also a child abuser.
Source?
Take a look at those witnesses at his trials.
And those were only the ones old enough to testify.
Charles Parker 19, Alphonso Conway, 18, Lord Alfred Douglas 21. Edward Shelley 18,
Can you give a me a hint here because I'm not coming up with anything relevant?
All those partners would have been illegal up to the 1980's.
Considering 81% of clerical child abuse victims in the USA were male, perhaps homosexuals should lose some of their self-righteous anger over this subject.
One of our lunch group is a lifelong and fervent Catholic. Every time I tease him about the Catholic church being the world's largest paedophile organization, he trots out the statistic that child abuse in the Catholic church is the same as in the population at large.
I don't know the source,and I haven't checked the figures, but it's an interesting if defensive point.
An interesting point about the over 70s and accurate. They may have old-fashioned attitudes. I'm sure there will be a few around who think that nice Neil and Mr TSE just need to meet the right girl.
And the same goes for racism. They've been left behind a little as the world has changed around them. But these things are cyclical (as is everything). In another half century. perhaps these young people who know it all now will be looked upon then as ancient remnants from an old world?
Heh, I'm married, to a woman.
You're not the first person to think I'm gay.
Oscar Wilde was married.
Yehbut Oscar Wilde isn't as witty as me.
Plus, I'm more into Olivia Wilde than Oscar Wilde.
Oscar Wilde was also a child abuser.
Source?
Take a look at those witnesses at his trials.
And those were only the ones old enough to testify.
Charles Parker 19, Alphonso Conway, 18, Lord Alfred Douglas 21. Edward Shelley 18,
Can you give a me a hint here because I'm not coming up with anything relevant?
All those partners would have been illegal up to the 1980's.
Yes, hence the trial etc.
What you said was child abuser...
No, Oscar Wilde was tried for homosexuals acts, regardless of age.
Thank you for your understanding. Nothing wrong with being a fashion icon.
Going back to the 1950s and 1960s, the mood was completely different. The past really is a foreign country sometimes, so Farage was right to ask that people give the oldies a bit of break.
As I've said, you're not the first person to think I'm gay.
I'm quite prepared to admit the hottest people in the universe after my wife is Benedict Cumberbatch, Tom Hiddleston, Karen Gillan, Emma Stone and Christina Hendricks
All of them are after your wife? Blimey.
I think all this is achieving is getting PBers to request your wife joins you at the next Dirty Dicks...
No chance, she often tells me, she's sick to death of that politicalbetting shite.
The low point came when she found I had taken a day's holiday so I could sleep in the next morning so I could do a PB thread and watch the US Presidential debate, and the fact I was betting on things such as the colour of Mitt Romney's tie.
I hope you got the tie right and bought her a smart dinner with the winnings!
Considering 81% of clerical child abuse victims in the USA were male, perhaps homosexuals should lose some of their self-righteous anger over this subject.
Really???
You really need the difference between "homosexuality" and "paedophilia" explained?
Thank you for your understanding. Nothing wrong with being a fashion icon.
Going back to the 1950s and 1960s, the mood was completely different. The past really is a foreign country sometimes, so Farage was right to ask that people give the oldies a bit of break.
As I've said, you're not the first person to think I'm gay.
I'm quite prepared to admit the hottest people in the universe after my wife is Benedict Cumberbatch, Tom Hiddleston, Karen Gillan, Emma Stone and Christina Hendricks
All of them are after your wife? Blimey.
I think all this is achieving is getting PBers to request your wife joins you at the next Dirty Dicks...
No chance, she often tells me, she's sick to death of that politicalbetting shite.
The low point came when she found I had taken a day's holiday so I could sleep in the next morning so I could do a PB thread and watch the US Presidential debate, and the fact I was betting on things such as the colour of Mitt Romney's tie.
I hope you got the tie right and bought her a smart dinner with the winnings!
An interesting point about the over 70s and accurate. They may have old-fashioned attitudes. I'm sure there will be a few around who think that nice Neil and Mr TSE just need to meet the right girl.
And the same goes for racism. They've been left behind a little as the world has changed around them. But these things are cyclical (as is everything). In another half century. perhaps these young people who know it all now will be looked upon then as ancient remnants from an old world?
Heh, I'm married, to a woman.
You're not the first person to think I'm gay.
Oscar Wilde was married.
Yehbut Oscar Wilde isn't as witty as me.
Plus, I'm more into Olivia Wilde than Oscar Wilde.
Oscar Wilde was also a child abuser.
Source?
Take a look at those witnesses at his trials.
And those were only the ones old enough to testify.
Charles Parker 19, Alphonso Conway, 18, Lord Alfred Douglas 21. Edward Shelley 18,
Can you give a me a hint here because I'm not coming up with anything relevant?
All those partners would have been illegal up to the 1980's.
Yes, hence the trial etc.
What you said was child abuser...
Margaret Cotta, a chambermaid at the Savoy Hotel, gave evidence that she found a 14 year old boy in Wilde's bed, at his trial.
I think that "child abuser" is a term that should be reserved for those who have sex with pre-pubescent children. But, in our time, Wilde would have received a similar sentence to Jonatan King.
Thank you for your understanding. Nothing wrong with being a fashion icon.
Going back to the 1950s and 1960s, the mood was completely different. The past really is a foreign country sometimes, so Farage was right to ask that people give the oldies a bit of break.
As I've said, you're not the first person to think I'm gay.
I'm quite prepared to admit the hottest people in the universe after my wife is Benedict Cumberbatch, Tom Hiddleston, Karen Gillan, Emma Stone and Christina Hendricks
All of them are after your wife? Blimey.
I think all this is achieving is getting PBers to request your wife joins you at the next Dirty Dicks...
No chance, she often tells me, she's sick to death of that politicalbetting shite.
The low point came when she found I had taken a day's holiday so I could sleep in the next morning so I could do a PB thread and watch the US Presidential debate, and the fact I was betting on things such as the colour of Mitt Romney's tie.
I hope you got the tie right and bought her a smart dinner with the winnings!
Comments
Socrates 1, 7:41pm: The Tories aren't liberals, as the GCHQ intrusions and snooper's charter show very well. They're more just the front group for the elite: siding with... government agencies on individual privacy matters,
Socrates 2, 8.02pm: Abu Hamza found guilty of terrorism. Part of me is appalled that he was in this country for so long and we couldn't convict him, but the rest is happy that that means he gets convicted in a country where prison is a proper punishment.
Surely these two post cannot have been posted by the same person?
Unless of course Socrates thinks intelligence gathering by wiretapping is OK as long as it is directed at people of whom he disapproves.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/article1948507.ece
"That might come as a bit of a surprise to Mr TSE's wife."
Apologies to Mr TSE (if that's not being homophobic). I must have misconstrued his earlier remarks today. If Neil's straight too, I will give up.
But as far as I can see, Farage was only stating facts there (unlike me).
My guess is that it'll be very close nationally between Labour and UKIP with the Tories some way back. Note the Green uptick in the two polls that mention them - that's not unusual at Euros and could well land them a few more seats, and I'd bet on them overtkaing the LibDems - where are the best current odds on that?
Still no Newark polling - perhaps the pollsters feel it's going to be misleading to poll before the Euro outcome.
http://nonsuchhp.blogspot.gr/2010/04/bad-press-for-clegg.html
Add in I'm a former public schoolboy, and well....
Plus, I'm more into Olivia Wilde than Oscar Wilde.
It is morally acceptable to prefer heterosexuality over homosexuality, or vice versa. Most of us prefer one or the other.
http://rogerhelmermep.wordpress.com/2014/04/29/the-sun-false-and-defamatory/
"It might be the shoes."
No gay would be seen dead in TSE's shoes, not even the female ones.
I've certainly identified one homosexual with a vendetta against UKIP - Matthew Parris of The Times. Perhaps this has something to do with his civil partner working in Downing Street.
As Carlyle put it "Our prejudices keep us warm."
The chaps who got married this weekend, I went to see Girls Aloud with them last year, after the gig they said to my wife, that they would be there for her when I finally came out.
Apparently no straight man knows and enjoys all the words of Girls Aloud songs that much.
Helmer is a political rival of his Dad for a start, but more to the point, Farage didn't say anything of the sort. If he had it would have been staggering. He just said people who grew up in a different era can find it harder to accept social change, but Helmer had seen the light.
No doubt in 40 years there will be things that we consider wrong now that will be perfectly acceptable to our grand kids, it's always been the same
Thank you for your understanding. Nothing wrong with being a fashion icon.
Going back to the 1950s and 1960s, the mood was completely different. The past really is a foreign country sometimes, so Farage was right to ask that people give the oldies a bit of break.
My first thought is that they're just not using enough lube.
Oh, that's not what he meant.
SO1 is the updated version of SO, basically the same, but they withdrew support from the old one so you had to upgrade
I'm quite prepared to admit the hottest people in the universe after my wife is Benedict Cumberbatch, Tom Hiddleston, Karen Gillan, Emma Stone and Christina Hendricks
It's not my fault Poptastic plays my kind of music.
And I think the reason gays lost all common sense in 2010 was because of money and power. Oddly, I can sort of prove it.
If you like your vice, versa, then probably
Well of the many things the media can accuse Farage they wont accuse him of being a Nazi because it's too obvious, Commie isn't one because it's ludicrous, Liberal is too soft, so what's left?
Adulterer check.
Embezzler check.
Coward check.
Racist check.
Labour plant check.
Tory plant check.
Anything else that Farage has being accused of that I can't remember?
UKIP's anti-SSM and anti-immigration stance actually makes sense.
* I'll let you do the gardening gags
But if there any organisation that should not be calling any kettles black it is the Catholic Church.
And those were only the ones old enough to testify.
Or perhaps it's just European elections season and so not worth reading anything into it. Pity the pollsters. I wonder what Mr Axelrod makes of this given the general accuracy of polling in the US.
The Greens got 8% lat time, it would be a big failure for them not to get higher this time.
The other prejudice I face is that, because I'm a Muslim* I must be intolerant of homosexuality.
The guy who asked me to be his best man, I helped him when he was struggling coming out when we were both 18, and he contemplated suicide because the law was an arse. I consider my helping him as one of my finest achievements.
*I'm a very good Muslim, if you ignore my constant whoring and drinking of my youth.
Are you not being intolerant? You're saying an prospective MP has to agree to a current set of values? Anyone who doesn't has to hide their secret away? Would they not be a target for blackmail? Sounds familiar somehow. Just like the sixties.
The low point came when she found I had taken a day's holiday so I could sleep in the next morning so I could do a PB thread and watch the US Presidential debate, and the fact I was betting on things such as the colour of Mitt Romney's tie.
However, UKIP can't have it both ways. They are a political party campaigning for election. If they want to campaign on a platform which might have made sense in 1952, that's fine. They wouldn't get many votes, but it's a free country, or should be. Alternatively, if they want to claim to be free of what we would now agree were 1950s and 1960s prejudices, that's also fine. In fact, it's much better - but in that case, they should ensure that their candidates - at least for the most senior couple of dozen positions - are indeed free of them, should they not?
That's the second time I've spelt your name as Ricard! Sorry.
Perhaps Sean T could write a novel where the homophobes are an oppressed section of the population and have to meet in secret?
Tomorrows polls will probably show the Patriotic Socialist Party cruising to an easy victory.
Can you give a me a hint here because I'm not coming up with anything relevant?
And recognise that there are significant numbers of sexually active priests, often gay ones.
"they should ensure that their candidates - at least for the most senior couple of dozen positions - are indeed free of them, should they not?"
Sorry, I still see intolerance, but I'm old and perhaps things have changed here too. And didn't Farage say that Helmer had changed his views anyway?
Some of them were really like car crash TV, they featured Rick Santorum and Herman Cain!
Oh those were the days.
But not technically "children"?
Anyone who stands against Neil Hamilton and Robert Kilroy-Silk is fine by me.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_Militant_Elvis_Party
What you said was child abuser...
Those who are not married, feel free to report them to their bishop or head of house.
Ukip are using the graves of Britain's war dead to drum up anti-foreigner votes: http://bit.ly/1kje6Hr
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I don't know the source,and I haven't checked the figures, but it's an interesting if defensive point.
I am just suspicious of an organisation that is similtaneously homophobic and engaged in covering up child abuse by its own priests.
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Just think how different the White Album would have been if Lennon had sung "I'm so anti-Romanian" instead of "I'm so tired." #Faragesongs
We do not have to wait for BPE crossover with UKIP do we? that could take weeks...
But, as you seem to be too lazy to use Google, I've done it for you.
independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/just-wilde-about-the-boys-1263513.html
You really need the difference between "homosexuality" and "paedophilia" explained?
I think that "child abuser" is a term that should be reserved for those who have sex with pre-pubescent children. But, in our time, Wilde would have received a similar sentence to Jonatan King.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/hilarious-luis-suarez-video-liverpool-3059587