Hard to believe that even less a month ago, some PBers were assuring me that Labour's share of the vote was solid, despite me telling the trend was showing the opposite.
Thing is now, if UKIP voters go back to the party that owns their vote, it will be Labour that benefit., as its the Labour share dropping not Conservatives rising... is it ok to vote UKIP now? Or should they go back to Lab?
If UKIP want "an independence from Europe" then why would they return to Labour who will not give them that?
Returning to the Conservatives may/should/will.
Therefore the incentive to return only applies to the Tories. By how much we will have to see.
Mike- if this looks impressive, you really are easily pleased. It is utterly atrocious on every imaginable level IMVHO (the v stands for very).
Off topic- thanks to all the comments on the previous thread. I have forgotten what a genial community pb actually is. Can anyone please tell me what has happened to Tim?
re Tim, he insulted someone's family, so he posted details of Tim's family life up here and he's been gone since. Some conspiracy theorists think he's been reincarnated a few times though.
Re the PEB - go watch the English Democrats one, it makes AIFE's offering look amazing.
The PEB for AIFE actually makes their party name make sense. They phrase it as if you can vote us out of the EU at the Parliamentary elections - very devious messaging
Hard to believe that even less a month ago, some PBers were assuring me that Labour's share of the vote was solid, despite me telling the trend was showing the opposite.
Thing is now, if UKIP voters go back to the party that owns their vote, it will be Labour that benefit., as its the Labour share dropping not Conservatives rising... is it ok to vote UKIP now? Or should they go back to Lab?
Even labour MP's admitting losing votes to UKIP.
George Eaton @georgeeaton · 1 min Most Labour MPs I've spoken to hoping that polls will revert to "normal" after European elections as voters return from UKIP/Greens
It's why you are rightwing and I am a communist. I believe all people are equal And if you expect me to bow my head because your great grandmother let the local lord "slip her a link" you will be quicker waiting for hell to freeze over. ;-)
Hard to believe that even less a month ago, some PBers were assuring me that Labour's share of the vote was solid, despite me telling the trend was showing the opposite.
Thing is now, if UKIP voters go back to the party that owns their vote, it will be Labour that benefit., as its the Labour share dropping not Conservatives rising... is it ok to vote UKIP now? Or should they go back to Lab?
This was the point I made yesterday. All things being equal, there should be some unwind back to Labour from UKIP. However, if UKIP do very well in the Euros as well as in Newark then we are in 'game change' territory and all bets are off.
Mike- if this looks impressive, you really are easily pleased. It is utterly atrocious on every imaginable level IMVHO (the v stands for very).
Seconded. I made it to the two and a half minute point and couldn't stand any more. Unwatchable. Though I should say that that's still two and a half minutes longer than I've spent watching any other PPBs this election. Maybe they're all as bad?
FPT kle4 said: Here's hoping Civilization: Beyond Earth is awesome as well.
RobD:Quite looking forward to this one. A big fan of the Civ series, and I fondly recall the original Colonization.
Didn't play that one sadly. Apparently it won't be exactly like Alpha Centauri, but 'Civilization in Space with a bit of Colonization' sounds fine by me.
Alpha Centauri: an excellent game that I still play sometimes
I still play Civilisation II. The best game of all time. Nothing since has come close to matching those Wonder videos.
It's why you are rightwing and I am a communist. I believe all people are equal And if you expect me to bow my head because your great grandmother let the local lord "slip her a link" you will be quicker waiting for hell to freeze over. ;-)
Communist like to keep everyone* equal, no matter how hard they work or what they achieve.
I was looking for confidant/confidante - but I guess yours is a fourth.
@Ninonoz - I realise now it was French feminised words, that are compulsory usages, that I was looking for. Artiste etc don't count as they are not compulsory. But yes, the definition I gave was far too loose.
FPT kle4 said: Here's hoping Civilization: Beyond Earth is awesome as well.
RobD:Quite looking forward to this one. A big fan of the Civ series, and I fondly recall the original Colonization.
Didn't play that one sadly. Apparently it won't be exactly like Alpha Centauri, but 'Civilization in Space with a bit of Colonization' sounds fine by me.
Alpha Centauri: an excellent game that I still play sometimes
I still play Civilisation II. The best game of all time. Nothing since has come close to matching those Wonder videos.
Nah. Civ III is better.
It all went wrong after that...
I've been playing a lot of Civ IV lately, it's still barrels of fun. Haven't played V, though I've heard the expansions made it into the game it should have been from the start.
Though neither has the best Civ story ever attached to them, which I never tire of linking to
I'll tell you what I think is happening.. for some yrs voters have been voting with their wallets.. However terrible Labour was, it was the Coalition who were making cuts. There was a disconnect between the cuts and blame.. After Eed's arrogance of this week, the intellectually superior whatnot or whatever it was, I think voters have started staring at the abyss and thought, "I don't think so"
FPT kle4 said: Here's hoping Civilization: Beyond Earth is awesome as well.
RobD:Quite looking forward to this one. A big fan of the Civ series, and I fondly recall the original Colonization.
Didn't play that one sadly. Apparently it won't be exactly like Alpha Centauri, but 'Civilization in Space with a bit of Colonization' sounds fine by me.
Alpha Centauri: an excellent game that I still play sometimes
I still play Civilisation II. The best game of all time. Nothing since has come close to matching those Wonder videos.
Mr. Royale, I learnt quite a bit, I seem to recall, from the Civipaedia. I wish more such games came out for consoles.
Yes, I still play it because of its balance, depth and astonishing re-playability. It simply never gets stale. It's true the graphics are wildly out-of-date, but the gameplay is simply superb. I even like the details: the (fun) High Council, the expertly chosen sound effects (fighter planes running out of fuel, cannon firing "FIIRRE!", and cavalry charging) and the wonderfully addictive soundtrack.
This game was released in 1996 (I think) and still takes some beating. A lot of contemporary games software developers could learn a lot from it.
It's why you are rightwing and I am a communist. I believe all people are equal And if you expect me to bow my head because your great grandmother let the local lord "slip her a link" you will be quicker waiting for hell to freeze over. ;-)
Communist like to keep everyone* equal, no matter how hard they work or what they achieve.
*Apart from those in charge, of course.
I've often felt Communism sounds like it could be ok in theory, in part at least, but in practice it never seems to work, twisted by the failings of power hungry people who come up with endless variations to maintain their own elite status' regardless of how far it takes them from the heart of the actual theories.
FPT kle4 said: Here's hoping Civilization: Beyond Earth is awesome as well.
RobD:Quite looking forward to this one. A big fan of the Civ series, and I fondly recall the original Colonization.
Didn't play that one sadly. Apparently it won't be exactly like Alpha Centauri, but 'Civilization in Space with a bit of Colonization' sounds fine by me.
Alpha Centauri: an excellent game that I still play sometimes
I still play Civilisation II. The best game of all time. Nothing since has come close to matching those Wonder videos.
Just catching up from Doha, waiting for the Vietnam transfer - efficient place. I offended one chap at the transfer desk by politely asking if he spoke English - seemed likely but wrong to assume the whole world does - and he said "You think I'm like a black person who doesn't speak English?" When I looked bemused, he said he was only joking...er...
AndyJS - second Avery's advice two threads back on the Stockholm/Helsinki ideas - all of them including the ferry are worth doing.
If the polls stay very level I expect we'll see lots of quirky constituency results! The Euros are announced by borough and may give some useful hints. I tend to agree that they won't change very much once the Euros and Newark have been absorbed, but so much of the change is UKIP-driven that it really hinges on what the very different defectors from the other parties to UKI do next year.
I am a communist, it doesn't mean I think it is a workable system in the general scheme of the world. People are generally far too grasping and full of sh*t . It surprises me that JC (who must have also realized this) carried on preaching it till they nailed him to a few bits of wood
Crikey, that looked like a spoof that the Mash would come up with.
I posted as much last night. Although, I wasn't quite as generous as you: I said it was the sort of PPB that might be put together by the type of overenthusiastic youtube user who has his own channel, and posts comments in the "debates" beneath others videos all-day.
I bet Cammy is regretting the 5 year fixed term now, this summer would be ideal the way the cards have moved in his favour.
Possibly. Perhaps he really will have an easy run in from hereon out, but with an entire year to go there's plenty of time for further twists and turns which wll not work in his favour.
It's why you are rightwing and I am a communist. I believe all people are equal And if you expect me to bow my head because your great grandmother let the local lord "slip her a link" you will be quicker waiting for hell to freeze over. ;-)
You're misunderstanding what ToryJim is saying.
He is saying that *everyone* deserves equal respect unless they do something that proves otherwise.
The local lord does not deserve anything more than the local binman. But he doesn't deserve anything less either.
I bet Cammy is regretting the 5 year fixed term now, this summer would be ideal the way the cards have moved in his favour.
Possibly. Perhaps he really will have an easy run in from hereon out, but with an entire year to go there's plenty of time for further twists and turns which wll not work in his favour.
I doubt it. Euros are going to mix things up a bit and I doubt they'll be settled earlier than this autumn, in which case there will be little difference. Also on a number of economic factors (particularly wages) Cameron is playing for time.
It's why you are rightwing and I am a communist. I believe all people are equal And if you expect me to bow my head because your great grandmother let the local lord "slip her a link" you will be quicker waiting for hell to freeze over. ;-)
I think you are missing the point about respect, comrade.
I was looking for confidant/confidante - but I guess yours is a fourth.
@Ninonoz - I realise now it was French feminised words, that are compulsory usages, that I was looking for. Artiste etc don't count as they are not compulsory. But yes, the definition I gave was far too loose.
FPT kle4 said: Here's hoping Civilization: Beyond Earth is awesome as well.
RobD:Quite looking forward to this one. A big fan of the Civ series, and I fondly recall the original Colonization.
Didn't play that one sadly. Apparently it won't be exactly like Alpha Centauri, but 'Civilization in Space with a bit of Colonization' sounds fine by me.
Alpha Centauri: an excellent game that I still play sometimes
I still play Civilisation II. The best game of all time. Nothing since has come close to matching those Wonder videos.
Nah. Civ III is better.
It all went wrong after that...
I've been playing a lot of Civ IV lately, it's still barrels of fun. Haven't played V, though I've heard the expansions made it into the game it should have been from the start.
Though neither has the best Civ story ever attached to them, which I never tire of linking to
I love Civ 4 too - it's my 2nd favourite. Trouble is, the AI is very aggressive. It has a tendency to declare war on you and, the very same turn, move a fully balanced 'stack of doom' onto your territory of 30+ seasoned units.
Just catching up from Doha, waiting for the Vietnam transfer - efficient place. I offended one chap at the transfer desk by politely asking if he spoke English - seemed likely but wrong to assume the whole world does - and he said "You think I'm like a black person who doesn't speak English?" When I looked bemused, he said he was only joking...er...
AndyJS - second Avery's advice two threads back on the Stockholm/Helsinki ideas - all of them including the ferry are worth doing.
If the polls stay very level I expect we'll see lots of quirky constituency results! The Euros are announced by borough and may give some useful hints. I tend to agree that they won't change very much once the Euros and Newark have been absorbed, but so much of the change is UKIP-driven that it really hinges on what the very different defectors from the other parties to UKI do next year.
I recall your posts you made about polls with Labour 5 plus ahead and people seemingly having made up their minds...now it seems a different picture altogether. I had a friend round this evening who is 100% going to vote UKIP next week, usually a Tory, but will vote Tory at the GE.. an interesting "anecdote
FPT kle4 said: Here's hoping Civilization: Beyond Earth is awesome as well.
RobD:Quite looking forward to this one. A big fan of the Civ series, and I fondly recall the original Colonization.
Didn't play that one sadly. Apparently it won't be exactly like Alpha Centauri, but 'Civilization in Space with a bit of Colonization' sounds fine by me.
Alpha Centauri: an excellent game that I still play sometimes
I still play Civilisation II. The best game of all time. Nothing since has come close to matching those Wonder videos.
Nah. Civ III is better.
It all went wrong after that...
I thought Civ V the best since the original.
May be I just prefer tile based games. Call got a little complicated with Call to Power.
FPT kle4 said: Here's hoping Civilization: Beyond Earth is awesome as well.
RobD:Quite looking forward to this one. A big fan of the Civ series, and I fondly recall the original Colonization.
Didn't play that one sadly. Apparently it won't be exactly like Alpha Centauri, but 'Civilization in Space with a bit of Colonization' sounds fine by me.
Alpha Centauri: an excellent game that I still play sometimes
I must have owned at least three copies over the years, but somehow, as i discovered when wanting to replay it recently, I seem to have lost them all. Screw it, I can pick it up again for a fiver, I think I'll do that right now.
From GOG, I hope, or you'll have compatability issues
Oddly, a lot of those "Lords" I have met seem to think they are owed a lot more. I hear people moaning about the "entitlement culture". Raise your eyes to see the real thing in action. Six months for taking six bottles of water....or a slap on the wrists and a promise to pay back a percentage of money?
Is that a new article? My first reaction was 'hasn't he learnt anything from last autumn'? only to find they are still quoting the "derelict" comment in the first paragraph
Just catching up from Doha, waiting for the Vietnam transfer - efficient place. I offended one chap at the transfer desk by politely asking if he spoke English - seemed likely but wrong to assume the whole world does - and he said "You think I'm like a black person who doesn't speak English?" When I looked bemused, he said he was only joking...er...
AndyJS - second Avery's advice two threads back on the Stockholm/Helsinki ideas - all of them including the ferry are worth doing.
If the polls stay very level I expect we'll see lots of quirky constituency results! The Euros are announced by borough and may give some useful hints. I tend to agree that they won't change very much once the Euros and Newark have been absorbed, but so much of the change is UKIP-driven that it really hinges on what the very different defectors from the other parties to UKI do next year.
I recall your posts you made about polls with Labour 5 plus ahead and people seemingly having made up their minds...now it seems a different picture altogether. I had a friend round this evening who is 100% going to vote UKIP next week, usually a Tory, but will vote Tory at the GE.. an interesting "anecdote
Oh anecdotally, my parents, Labour voters from council houses who worked in the public sector most of their lives are both voting UKIP for the first time in the Euros
As am I!
My mum said she would never let me in the house if I voted Tory when I was younger...
FPT kle4 said: Here's hoping Civilization: Beyond Earth is awesome as well.
RobD:Quite looking forward to this one. A big fan of the Civ series, and I fondly recall the original Colonization.
Didn't play that one sadly. Apparently it won't be exactly like Alpha Centauri, but 'Civilization in Space with a bit of Colonization' sounds fine by me.
Alpha Centauri: an excellent game that I still play sometimes
I must have owned at least three copies over the years, but somehow, as i discovered when wanting to replay it recently, I seem to have lost them all. Screw it, I can pick it up again for a fiver, I think I'll do that right now.
From GOG, I hope, or you'll have compatability issues
Is that a new article? My first reaction was 'hasn't he learnt anything from last autumn'? only to find they are still quoting the "derelict" comment in the first paragraph
Seems like a re-hashing of an old story to me. I remember it from about a year ago.
Crikey, that looked like a spoof that the Mash would come up with.
it still holds the record for the only one, so far, to have caused me to shout at the TV. You would have to travel a long way to find a bigger set of no necked mouth breathing inbreds.
Tomorrow's Times front page: Ukip faces scandal over 'cash for Euro seats'
Top Comments Sisco Corraliza Lozano, Shareen Munir, Till Specht and 2 others like this. 1 share Paul Trueman Ooh. Is Hermione being made our new Queen? 1 min Soniyaa Choudhry I'm still voting for them 58 secs Farmer Rat Don't care, vote UKIP on the 22nd.
Curious that in Northern Ireland, where they havent a hope in hell, that UKIP have spent fair cash on large poster sites but couldn't be arsed sticking regular sized posters up on lamp posts. No manpower comes to mind.
Off topic. Syria: A week or so ago I mentioned how tension on the Israeli Syrian border was high and how the Syrian air defence system had a hole in it as wide as that border. The talk coming out of many an interesting worthy in Israel is increasingly of the type that looks like its preparing a case for Israel to take an interest in the conflict.
This would be a change of heart, the Israelis have generally kept it to ensuring weapons that they don't like don't make it to Assad or Hizbollah.. Along with the Turkish up North who have been rather more busy in recent weeks than they have been in the rest of the conflict time put together there seems to be a feeling that now is the time.
The $64,000 question is where do the voters end up after we've got through this silly season. I don't see any immediate reason why Labour are more likely to recoup their defectors than the Conservatives.
Just catching up from Doha, waiting for the Vietnam transfer - efficient place. I offended one chap at the transfer desk by politely asking if he spoke English - seemed likely but wrong to assume the whole world does - and he said "You think I'm like a black person who doesn't speak English?" When I looked bemused, he said he was only joking...er...
AndyJS - second Avery's advice two threads back on the Stockholm/Helsinki ideas - all of them including the ferry are worth doing.
If the polls stay very level I expect we'll see lots of quirky constituency results! The Euros are announced by borough and may give some useful hints. I tend to agree that they won't change very much once the Euros and Newark have been absorbed, but so much of the change is UKIP-driven that it really hinges on what the very different defectors from the other parties to UKI do next year.
I recall your posts you made about polls with Labour 5 plus ahead and people seemingly having made up their minds...now it seems a different picture altogether. I had a friend round this evening who is 100% going to vote UKIP next week, usually a Tory, but will vote Tory at the GE.. an interesting "anecdote
Oh anecdotally, my parents, Labour voters from council houses who worked in the public sector most of their lives are both voting UKIP for the first time in the Euros
As am I!
My mum said she would never let me in the house if I voted Tory when I was younger...
You're voting UKIP Sam ?! Next I'll be hearing @TSE has voted Conservative.
Probably a Pole or Czech flying that Spitfire too!
With the AIFE broadcast we are truly blessed by the fruitcakes this election!
There's nothing wrong with being an English nationalist. There is space in the political debate for a English national party (SNP equivalent, but soft centre-right) that's proud of English heritage, doesn't really identify with the UK, and wants EVFEL, an English parliament and a greater celebration of English culture.
But this video is just plain silly. The candidates look worse. It seems to be aimed at the least intelligent, most oikish and unthinking of the Eng-ger-land football supporter tendency.
Curious that in Northern Ireland, where they havent a hope in hell, that UKIP have spent fair cash on large poster sites but couldn't be arsed sticking regular sized posters up on lamp posts. No manpower comes to mind.
Off topic. Syria: A week or so ago I mentioned how tension on the Israeli Syrian border was high and how the Syrian air defence system had a hole in it as wide as that border. The talk coming out of many an interesting worthy in Israel is increasingly of the type that looks like its preparing a case for Israel to take an interest in the conflict.
This would be a change of heart, the Israelis have generally kept it to ensuring weapons that they don't like don't make it to Assad or Hizbollah.. Along with the Turkish up North who have been rather more busy in recent weeks than they have been in the rest of the conflict time put together there seems to be a feeling that now is the time.
I saw some UKIP regular sized boards on the way from Belfast to Strangford on Saturday. Though I take your general point.
Oddly, a lot of those "Lords" I have met seem to think they are owed a lot more. I hear people moaning about the "entitlement culture". Raise your eyes to see the real thing in action. Six months for taking six bottles of water....or a slap on the wrists and a promise to pay back a percentage of money?
If you looked at the data, you'd see that most of the abuse has been by political appointees, not by "proper" Lords.
"Lord" is just a title like "Mr". It doesn't convey anything in and of itself
Did the English Democrats really put that out "nationwide"? Including Cornwall?
Anyway they don't want my vote. I'm British!
I first saw it immediately after the BBC six o'clock news, so presumably it went out nationally and to foreign climes as well if seen in the rest of GB
Just catching up from Doha, waiting for the Vietnam transfer - efficient place. I offended one chap at the transfer desk by politely asking if he spoke English - seemed likely but wrong to assume the whole world does - and he said "You think I'm like a black person who doesn't speak English?" When I looked bemused, he said he was only joking...er...
AndyJS - second Avery's advice two threads back on the Stockholm/Helsinki ideas - all of them including the ferry are worth doing.
If the polls stay very level I expect we'll see lots of quirky constituency results! The Euros are announced by borough and may give some useful hints. I tend to agree that they won't change very much once the Euros and Newark have been absorbed, but so much of the change is UKIP-driven that it really hinges on what the very different defectors from the other parties to UKI do next year.
I recall your posts you made about polls with Labour 5 plus ahead and people seemingly having made up their minds...now it seems a different picture altogether. I had a friend round this evening who is 100% going to vote UKIP next week, usually a Tory, but will vote Tory at the GE.. an interesting "anecdote
Oh anecdotally, my parents, Labour voters from council houses who worked in the public sector most of their lives are both voting UKIP for the first time in the Euros
As am I!
My mum said she would never let me in the house if I voted Tory when I was younger...
You're voting UKIP Sam ?! Next I'll be hearing @TSE has voted Conservative.
Curious that in Northern Ireland, where they havent a hope in hell, that UKIP have spent fair cash on large poster sites but couldn't be arsed sticking regular sized posters up on lamp posts. No manpower comes to mind.
Off topic. Syria: A week or so ago I mentioned how tension on the Israeli Syrian border was high and how the Syrian air defence system had a hole in it as wide as that border. The talk coming out of many an interesting worthy in Israel is increasingly of the type that looks like its preparing a case for Israel to take an interest in the conflict.
This would be a change of heart, the Israelis have generally kept it to ensuring weapons that they don't like don't make it to Assad or Hizbollah.. Along with the Turkish up North who have been rather more busy in recent weeks than they have been in the rest of the conflict time put together there seems to be a feeling that now is the time.
I saw some UKIP regular sized boards on the way from Belfast to Strangford on Saturday. Though I take your general point.
Not seen a single one in Belfast meself. Maybe Strangford is a hotbed.
Just catching up from Doha, waiting for the Vietnam transfer - efficient place. I offended one chap at the transfer desk by politely asking if he spoke English - seemed likely but wrong to assume the whole world does - and he said "You think I'm like a black person who doesn't speak English?" When I looked bemused, he said he was only joking...er...
AndyJS - second Avery's advice two threads back on the Stockholm/Helsinki ideas - all of them including the ferry are worth doing.
If the polls stay very level I expect we'll see lots of quirky constituency results! The Euros are announced by borough and may give some useful hints. I tend to agree that they won't change very much once the Euros and Newark have been absorbed, but so much of the change is UKIP-driven that it really hinges on what the very different defectors from the other parties to UKI do next year.
I recall your posts you made about polls with Labour 5 plus ahead and people seemingly having made up their minds...now it seems a different picture altogether. I had a friend round this evening who is 100% going to vote UKIP next week, usually a Tory, but will vote Tory at the GE.. an interesting "anecdote
Oh anecdotally, my parents, Labour voters from council houses who worked in the public sector most of their lives are both voting UKIP for the first time in the Euros
As am I!
My mum said she would never let me in the house if I voted Tory when I was younger...
I've come to the conclusion that inevitable pain of deindustrialisation has permanently damaged the Tory image and they'll never recover form it without a rebrand. A UKIP-Tory merger down the line could thus pay dividends.
Probably a Pole or Czech flying that Spitfire too!
With the AIFE broadcast we are truly blessed by the fruitcakes this election!
Quiz time
Number of days spent in England by St George?
Number of days spent outside Turkey = zero
Charles,
St George was a Greek in the Roman army, at a time when the Turks were on the Asiatic steppe. He may well have never left Anatolia, but it was not Turkey at that time.
Incidentally St George is patron saint of Romania and Bulgaria too according to this list:
The $64,000 question is where do the voters end up after we've got through this silly season. I don't see any immediate reason why Labour are more likely to recoup their defectors than the Conservatives.
The big benefit for the Conservatives is that these (very timely) polls will probably quench any nascent Tory UKIP-panic-induced hysterics that might otherwise have occurred on the backbenches post Euros.
That should now mean a fairly calm Summer, unless the result is wild for UKIP, with better morale and discipline for them. Perhaps even a continuing improvement in the polling too. It sets them up very nicely for the conference season, when the 2015 election campaign will start proper, and neuters Tory infighting stories.
The key question is if that now flips to Labour: it might be them who lose their nerve and start to panic now.
(On that note, I'm signing off for the evening. G'night all)
Probably a Pole or Czech flying that Spitfire too!
With the AIFE broadcast we are truly blessed by the fruitcakes this election!
Quiz time
Number of days spent in England by St George?
Number of days spent outside Turkey = zero
Charles,
St George was a Greek in the Roman army, at a time when the Turks were on the Asiatic steppe. He may well have never left Anatolia, but it was not Turkey at that time.
Incidentally St George is patron saint of Romania and Bulgaria too according to this list:
""Lord" is just a title like "Mr". It doesn't convey anything in and of itself "
Slight difference? Being a Mr is free, becoming a Lord usually costs a fair bit in donations and favours (often sexual in the case of "hereditaries") ;-)
Probably a Pole or Czech flying that Spitfire too!
With the AIFE broadcast we are truly blessed by the fruitcakes this election!
Quiz time
Number of days spent in England by St George?
Number of days spent outside Turkey = zero
Wrong! St. George is the patron saint of Lod; Lydda to you, in Palestine. The Lyddans claim he was born there in the twelth century, but it could have been the eleventh.
Just catching up from Doha, waiting for the Vietnam transfer - efficient place. I offended one chap at the transfer desk by politely asking if he spoke English - seemed likely but wrong to assume the whole world does - and he said "You think I'm like a black person who doesn't speak English?" When I looked bemused, he said he was only joking...er...
AndyJS - second Avery's advice two threads back on the Stockholm/Helsinki ideas - all of them including the ferry are worth doing.
If the polls stay very level I expect we'll see lots of quirky constituency results! The Euros are announced by borough and may give some useful hints. I tend to agree that they won't change very much once the Euros and Newark have been absorbed, but so much of the change is UKIP-driven that it really hinges on what the very different defectors from the other parties to UKI do next year.
I recall your posts you made about polls with Labour 5 plus ahead and people seemingly having made up their minds...now it seems a different picture altogether. I had a friend round this evening who is 100% going to vote UKIP next week, usually a Tory, but will vote Tory at the GE.. an interesting "anecdote
Oh anecdotally, my parents, Labour voters from council houses who worked in the public sector most of their lives are both voting UKIP for the first time in the Euros
As am I!
My mum said she would never let me in the house if I voted Tory when I was younger...
Ukip faces a “cash-for-Euro-seats” scandal after forcing MEPs to donate large sums and threatening to bar those who refused from standing again, its former deputy leader says.
Ex-Ukip insiders have also raised concerns that the party favoured wealthy MEP candidates before this month’s European elections.
Two leading candidates for the May 22 poll, and the partner of a third, donated or lent the party tens of thousands of pounds about the time they were selected for safe seats, according to an analysis of Electoral Commission records.
No new MEP candidates from the Labour or Conservative party have made declarable donations in the past four years. Three Liberal Democrat candidates who have donated large amounts have not been given winnable seats.
... I'm fairly sure that whenever "Gordon Brown" is the answer to the question, either the question or the answer is wrong. Mr Brown set out his vision for Union a few months ago. As I wrote at the time, I didn't find his Great Idea terribly compelling...
... each of Brown, Alexander, and Darling remind everyone of the Brown government. It sort of sits ill that the future of the Union be left in the hands of men who did so much economic and cultural damage to the very entity they now seek to protect.
... There is one Scottish politician still alive and thriving, although no longer representing the Edinburgh Pentlands seat where my branch of Young Conservatives once spent an afternoon delivering leaflets. He has a London seat – but so what? The whole point of the Union is that Scots can succeed both north and south of the border.
This man addressed the Scottish Conservative conference in Perth in, I think, 1987 – it may have been 1988 – with an unscripted speech that stands out in my memory as one of the most uplifting, passionate Tory defences of the Union I've ever heard. I was only a teenager then, I admit it, a youngster still. But his oratory shook me to tears, and his command of that art is not diminished by time. So whatever you've been able to contribute to the campaign so far, Sir Malcolm, please find energy for more. Both your countries, Scotland and Britain, need you.
Probably a Pole or Czech flying that Spitfire too!
With the AIFE broadcast we are truly blessed by the fruitcakes this election!
Quiz time
Number of days spent in England by St George?
Number of days spent outside Turkey = zero
Wrong! St. George is the patron saint of Lod; Lydda to you, in Palestine. The Lyddans claim he was born there in the twelth century, but it could have been the eleventh.
It is always up for debate - his father was from Cappudoceia (?sp) and George ended his life in Nicomedia
Ukip faces a “cash-for-Euro-seats” scandal after forcing MEPs to donate large sums and threatening to bar those who refused from standing again, its former deputy leader says.
Ex-Ukip insiders have also raised concerns that the party favoured wealthy MEP candidates before this month’s European elections.
Two leading candidates for the May 22 poll, and the partner of a third, donated or lent the party tens of thousands of pounds about the time they were selected for safe seats, according to an analysis of Electoral Commission records.
No new MEP candidates from the Labour or Conservative party have made declarable donations in the past four years. Three Liberal Democrat candidates who have donated large amounts have not been given winnable seats.
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"Never hate your enemies, it affects your judgement."
Most Labour MPs I've spoken to hoping that polls will revert to "normal" after European elections as voters return from UKIP/Greens.
Returning to the Conservatives may/should/will.
Therefore the incentive to return only applies to the Tories. By how much we will have to see.
Re the PEB - go watch the English Democrats one, it makes AIFE's offering look amazing.
The PEB for AIFE actually makes their party name make sense. They phrase it as if you can vote us out of the EU at the Parliamentary elections - very devious messaging
George Eaton @georgeeaton · 1 min
Most Labour MPs I've spoken to hoping that polls will revert to "normal" after European elections as voters return from UKIP/Greens
It's why you are rightwing and I am a communist. I believe all people are equal
And if you expect me to bow my head because your great grandmother let the local lord "slip her a link" you will be quicker waiting for hell to freeze over. ;-)
As ever, time will tell...
Polling looks worrying for Labour. On the plus side, they have Miliband as a dynamic leader, and the Tories' failure to improve the economy.
It all went wrong after that...
*Apart from those in charge, of course.
Though neither has the best Civ story ever attached to them, which I never tire of linking to
http://kotaku.com/5917693/ten-years-of-civ-ii-lock-the-world-in-perpetual-war
Crikey, that looked like a spoof that the Mash would come up with.
Tue 13 May 10pm: Cross-over officially takes place on the UKPR rolling graph.
This game was released in 1996 (I think) and still takes some beating. A lot of contemporary games software developers could learn a lot from it.
Basil ate him
AndyJS - second Avery's advice two threads back on the Stockholm/Helsinki ideas - all of them including the ferry are worth doing.
If the polls stay very level I expect we'll see lots of quirky constituency results! The Euros are announced by borough and may give some useful hints. I tend to agree that they won't change very much once the Euros and Newark have been absorbed, but so much of the change is UKIP-driven that it really hinges on what the very different defectors from the other parties to UKI do next year.
I am a communist, it doesn't mean I think it is a workable system in the general scheme of the world.
People are generally far too grasping and full of sh*t .
It surprises me that JC (who must have also realized this) carried on preaching it till they nailed him to a few bits of wood
Times News @TimesNewsdesk
Only frack in Labour seats, pleads Tory peer http://thetim.es/1lumyTO
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2625863/Lottery-pairs-2-5m-Scots-Couple-provided-80-funding-yes-campaign.html
I might try and join the BNP or EDL for comedy value.
He is saying that *everyone* deserves equal respect unless they do something that proves otherwise.
The local lord does not deserve anything more than the local binman. But he doesn't deserve anything less either.
What could be more equal than that?
I love Civ 4 too - it's my 2nd favourite. Trouble is, the AI is very aggressive. It has a tendency to declare war on you and, the very same turn, move a fully balanced 'stack of doom' onto your territory of 30+ seasoned units.
Hmm.
The land of St George?
The Greek Patron Saint of Georgia and Malta?
And Jerusalem?
Probably a Pole or Czech flying that Spitfire too!
With the AIFE broadcast we are truly blessed by the fruitcakes this election!
Number of days spent in England by St George?
Surely with the polls we've been getting it should be Nighthahahahawks
Oddly, a lot of those "Lords" I have met seem to think they are owed a lot more.
I hear people moaning about the "entitlement culture".
Raise your eyes to see the real thing in action.
Six months for taking six bottles of water....or a slap on the wrists and a promise to pay back a percentage of money?
Wednesday's Times - "Ukip faces scandal over ‘cash for Euro seats’" #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers pic.twitter.com/yfcoeIfAur
I never make mistakes, that's unpossible
Oh anecdotally, my parents, Labour voters from council houses who worked in the public sector most of their lives are both voting UKIP for the first time in the Euros
As am I!
My mum said she would never let me in the house if I voted Tory when I was younger...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYDKaUiYKVk
What excuse will the main 3 parties have.
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/polls-are-just-an-indication-of-how-people-intend-to-vote-says-miliband-2014051386528
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/ukip-defends-freedom-by-reporting-everyone-to-the-police-2014051386522
3 mins
Tomorrow's Times front page: Ukip faces scandal over 'cash for Euro seats'
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Sisco Corraliza Lozano, Shareen Munir, Till Specht and 2 others like this.
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Paul Trueman Ooh. Is Hermione being made our new Queen?
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Soniyaa Choudhry I'm still voting for them
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Farmer Rat Don't care, vote UKIP on the 22nd.
Off topic. Syria: A week or so ago I mentioned how tension on the Israeli Syrian border was high and how the Syrian air defence system had a hole in it as wide as that border. The talk coming out of many an interesting worthy in Israel is increasingly of the type that looks like its preparing a case for Israel to take an interest in the conflict.
This would be a change of heart, the Israelis have generally kept it to ensuring weapons that they don't like don't make it to Assad or Hizbollah.. Along with the Turkish up North who have been rather more busy in recent weeks than they have been in the rest of the conflict time put together there seems to be a feeling that now is the time.
Anyway they don't want my vote. I'm British!
But this video is just plain silly. The candidates look worse. It seems to be aimed at the least intelligent, most oikish and unthinking of the Eng-ger-land football supporter tendency.
"Lord" is just a title like "Mr". It doesn't convey anything in and of itself
http://inagist.com/all/466324079575072768/
https://mobile.twitter.com/suttonnick/status/466324079575072768/photo/1
St George was a Greek in the Roman army, at a time when the Turks were on the Asiatic steppe. He may well have never left Anatolia, but it was not Turkey at that time.
Incidentally St George is patron saint of Romania and Bulgaria too according to this list:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_George
That should now mean a fairly calm Summer, unless the result is wild for UKIP, with better morale and discipline for them. Perhaps even a continuing improvement in the polling too. It sets them up very nicely for the conference season, when the 2015 election campaign will start proper, and neuters Tory infighting stories.
The key question is if that now flips to Labour: it might be them who lose their nerve and start to panic now.
(On that note, I'm signing off for the evening. G'night all)
What Scotland Thinks @WhatScotsThink 2m
Post on latest #indyref poll, published tomorrow, will appear overnight.
I should have known better on PB...
""Lord" is just a title like "Mr". It doesn't convey anything in and of itself "
Slight difference? Being a Mr is free, becoming a Lord usually costs a fair bit in donations and favours (often sexual in the case of "hereditaries") ;-)
Ex-Ukip insiders have also raised concerns that the party favoured wealthy MEP candidates before this month’s European elections.
Two leading candidates for the May 22 poll, and the partner of a third, donated or lent the party tens of thousands of pounds about the time they were selected for safe seats, according to an analysis of Electoral Commission records.
No new MEP candidates from the Labour or Conservative party have made declarable donations in the past four years. Three Liberal Democrat candidates who have donated large amounts have not been given winnable seats.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4089092.ece
... I'm fairly sure that whenever "Gordon Brown" is the answer to the question, either the question or the answer is wrong. Mr Brown set out his vision for Union a few months ago. As I wrote at the time, I didn't find his Great Idea terribly compelling...
... each of Brown, Alexander, and Darling remind everyone of the Brown government. It sort of sits ill that the future of the Union be left in the hands of men who did so much economic and cultural damage to the very entity they now seek to protect.
... There is one Scottish politician still alive and thriving, although no longer representing the Edinburgh Pentlands seat where my branch of Young Conservatives once spent an afternoon delivering leaflets. He has a London seat – but so what? The whole point of the Union is that Scots can succeed both north and south of the border.
This man addressed the Scottish Conservative conference in Perth in, I think, 1987 – it may have been 1988 – with an unscripted speech that stands out in my memory as one of the most uplifting, passionate Tory defences of the Union I've ever heard. I was only a teenager then, I admit it, a youngster still. But his oratory shook me to tears, and his command of that art is not diminished by time. So whatever you've been able to contribute to the campaign so far, Sir Malcolm, please find energy for more. Both your countries, Scotland and Britain, need you.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/graemearcher/100271289/we-cant-leave-saving-the-union-to-labour/
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_1klTlbciqXY/SdeXILYjR3I/AAAAAAAAAOc/0fBiSJnzUkY/S692/rebel_squirrel_resized.jpg
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