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  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 38,637
    First?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 69,759
    It's scowly Dave in the Indy then
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 6,979
    A really big thank you to those who've given financial support to PB today

    This is really helpful and very much appreciated.

    The new comments system is settling down well but, as discussed, it will add to our regular outgoings.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 69,759
    @Tim

    Just because an issue is only a small part of the whole, does not mean that it is therefore not worth tackling.

    I don't have an opinion on this housing idea yet, but it's the same logic as those who want to cut the International Aid budget - it is only a tiny part of the budget, and axing it will not amount to all that much compared to what needs doing, but it would still achieve a definite cut, and perhaps signal the right intent (though I disagree on that idea)
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @SkyNewsBreak: AFP: European meeting on Cypriot bailout starts following four hour delay
  • FPT - TimB

    If you want to watch both rugby codes, that looks like a hell of a channel. I'd pay for it if it was on here!
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited March 2013
    FPT DecrepitJohnL

    What is the alternative? That politicians should not be challenged at all? When else might politicians have done anything, if not in the past?

    Mair did not even attempt to "challenge" Johnson. A challenge invites a response. Mair neither wanted nor would have allowed the facts of each allegation to be established nor did he ever intend to give Johnson a fair right of reply.

    Even if Boris had tried to state the facts, he would have been interrupted dismissively and a new allegation made or another diversionary tactic deployed.

    It is interview theatre designed to "entertain" rather than an interrogatory attempt to determine truth.

    The techniques Mair deployed were in the same class as tim's smearing on pb.

    They are the symptoms of corruption and decomposition.

    Time to put these old dogs out of their misery. tim and Mair stand forward, please. The firing squad is ready.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Good to see the Racing Post amongst the front pages.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @TimGattITV: RT @zerohedge: RIKSAT REPORTS THAT EUROGROUP MEETING DELAYED; POSTPONED TO 7 A.M.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 69,759
    Hmm, I see in headlines 'Kerry warns Iraq on being conduit for arms to Syria". I presume the problem is being a conduit for arms to the wrong people?
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    tim said:

    Dog whistle Dave demeaning his office, 1.8% of social housing goes to people who have been here <5 years</p>

    If hardly any migrants qualify, then no hardship in changing the rules it seems?

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 69,759
    Also, odd for me to get behind a Daily Star headline. "Don't watch Corrie..." and that was as far as I got with that one.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    AveryLP said:


    Mair did not even attempt to "challenge" Johnson. A challenge invites a response. Mair neither wanted nor would have allowed the facts of each allegation to be established nor did he ever intend to give Johnson a fair right of reply.

    Even if Boris had tried to state the facts, he would have been interrupted dismissively and a new allegation made or another diversionary tactic deployed.

    There are an awful lot of hypotheticals in your response. Perhaps you are right and all those things would have happened in the event of Boris answering. We don't really know.

    Is it only Conservative politicians who must not be questioned, or all of them?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @TelePolitics: Questions over secret study showing England with worst hospital death rate of seven countries http://tgr.ph/ZhR2xh
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 69,759
    @AveryLP

    You are supposing a lot about how Mair would have reacted unfairly or improperly had Boris not waffled so ineffectively; surely we should only judge Mair by what he did, not on what you are predicting he would have done. It's adding extra motivations and context to what did occur, without any way of proving it true.

    To my mind each of the points raised prior to the 'nasty piece of work' line are legitimate questions to pursue, and aggressively if needs be as they are embarrasing and anyone, particularly politicians who require a good image, would waffle on; the only question mark is how he decided to phrase it, in using the words about Boris being a nasty piece of work, which does seem to have been done so purely for the headline and tagline for the interview.

    Perhaps that is unprofessional, or unreasonable, but the crux of the matter is Boris does have embarrasing skeletons in his closet - most on here would already be aware of most of them - and he dealt with them being brought up pretty badly. Even accounting for lack of time to fully explicate himself, he could have done a lot better and not come across as weaselly and evasive.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 69,759
    @Tim

    I'm curious as to what Ed M has done to make you think he'll do a better job. I mean, I'm coming around to hoping he will at least be more competent, even if I won't always agree with his policies (as they continue to emerge), and he seems bland and inoffensive enough, as well as controlled enough, to avoid cocking things up as much as Cameron, but I'm still very wary of outright celebrating the end of the Cameron ministry at this stage.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    @tim

    You forgot to quote the section of Tim Montgomerie's blog article that is really worrying you.

    Luckily I am here to help.

    We're now into phase three of Cameronism. Plan A for deficit reduction is on the back burner and plan B(eer) for re-election is underway. And, you know what - despite the collapse in party membership, the defection of the centre right press and the splintering of the Tory vote - it might even work. So long as Ed Miliband and Ed Balls lead the Opposition enough Britons may hold on to nurse for fear of something even worse.
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,228
    edited March 2013
    Supermarkets accused of not selling Christian Easter Eggs.

    Kids eat them so quickly that I doubt they notice what is on the box.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/christian-easter-eggs-fail-to-crack-open-supermarkets-8547592.html
  • RicardohosRicardohos Posts: 258
    That was a dreadful performance by Boris. When he's off-script, or appearing to be off-script he can be brilliant, but there you see the perils of it when you're not on form. He looked tired and distracted, as well as very overweight. He needs to get a grip if he has serious ambitions to be PM.
  • RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    @tim: Any views on this?

    Darling: [The government are] way off track, none of their plans are stacking up, they’re losing credibility. We need to have a compelling alternative. There is one, and I will be helping my colleagues do that. But at the moment, for the next 18 months, you know where I am.

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2013/03/will-you-replace-ed-balls-the-question-alistair-darling-wont-answer/
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Looks like a coup in the Central African Republic.

    Business as usual, then.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    kle4 said:

    Hmm, I see in headlines 'Kerry warns Iraq on being conduit for arms to Syria". I presume the problem is being a conduit for arms to the wrong people?

    The Americans created the present Iraqi government who are predominantly Shia. Assad is an Alawite, a Shia offshoot. Assad is being attacked by amongst others religious extremist Sunnis, Al_Qaeda types.

    What does Kerry or the USA think Iraq would do ? How are the Americans so poor in their knowledge of geo-politics ? The rest of the world do not think the way Yanks think they should. The Americans should realise that they are not as important as they think they are.

  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    @Neil and @Lucian Fletcher

    FPT - Thanks, and you've now cost me £10 a month ;-)

    Maybe I should donate to PB tomorrow as a result.
  • @Tim_B To get those rugby comps I would need three subscriptions. I am not getting to see NRL. :(
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    "Confusingly, there has been some talk that the eurogroup meeting might be delayed until Monday morning.

    Our understanding was that it has just got underway.

    However, Cypriot spokesman Nikos Christodoulides just tweeted that ANOTHER round of talks has begun between the Cypriot president and the heads of the European Commission and the European Council."

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2013/mar/24/eurozone-crisis-cyprus-bailout-eurogroup-meeting
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,228
    The URL thingy in the posting box is useful.

  • RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    edited March 2013
    tim said:

    Remember Ed is far brighter and more ruthless than Dave

    Ruthless enough to make Shadsy's 20/1 about Darling Next Chancellor value? (Stan James theoretically go 33/1 but that's rather academic since they don't actually seem to lay any bets).
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Better call Hugh

    @DPJHodges: Unless I'm missing something even Alan Rusbridger is now saying he's not prepared to sign up to a Royal Charter yet.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    edited March 2013
    Could a Vanilla expert please tell me how to edit my post.

    OK, I take the cursor to the top RH corner and a "star" appears. Great, what do I do next ?
    000
  • surbiton said:

    Could a Vanilla expert please tell me how to edit my post.

    OK, I take the cursor to the top RH corner and a "star" appears. Great, what do I do next ?

    Click on it and it says 'edit'
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,630
    edited March 2013
    Click on the star and the edit pops up...click on edit and it opens the comment box again
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    edited March 2013
    AndyJS said:

    Looks like a coup in the Central African Republic.

    Business as usual, then.

    Yeah nice to see Africa dealing with Africa's problems, several hundred South African troops there to 'assist' the now previous government so far appear to have done squat.

    The French are well wary over this one though they they will probably put some more troops in, at least for evacuation purposes.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    How do you do a link like old_labour has been doing below, where the address itself doesn't appear and instead you just click on the blue word?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @paulmasonnews: Here @Simon_Nixon nails the essence of the situation in #Cyprus http://ow.ly/1TWLpt

    And in The Times
    Pressure on the politicians was intensified by Archbishop Chrysostomos II, head of the Cypriot Orthodox Church, who urged them to walk away from a punitive deal rather than sacrifice the country’s dignity. Cyprus should also quit the euro, he added.

    “We all believed that by entering the eurozone, there would be a kind of solidarity if there was a need for it — but they are strangling our economy,” he said. “We were told we needed €17 billion, but for a Europe with a budget of trillions it should not be a problem to find a solution. With the sort of behaviour that we are being treated with now, I believe it is better not to be in the eurozone,” he said. “When the time is right, Cyprus should leave the euro.”
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    edited March 2013
    <blockquote class="Quote" rel="Lucian_Fletcher"><blockquote class="Quote" rel="surbiton">Could a Vanilla expert please tell me how to edit my post.

    OK, I take the cursor to the top RH corner and a "star" appears. Great, what do I do next ?</blockquote>

    Click on it and it says 'edit'</blockquote>

    Thanks. Found it. "Edited" and then when I went to post the edited comments it said it could not find the "discussion".

    Then, I gave up !

    Test
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @frasernelson: A generation of Cypriots are about to be badly hurt. It's all unravelling - badly. By Louise Cooper(@Louiseaileen70) http://specc.ie/XAhz6k
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,228
    AndyJS said:

    How do you do a link like old_labour has been doing below, where the address itself doesn't appear and instead you just click on the blue word?

    Click on the link symbol in the comment box, copy the URL into it and after the URL write something shorter.

    I hope that makes sense. Am dreadful at explaining computer stuff.

  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Scott_P said:

    @paulmasonnews: Here @Simon_Nixon nails the essence of the situation in #Cyprus http://ow.ly/1TWLpt

    And in The Times

    Pressure on the politicians was intensified by Archbishop Chrysostomos II, head of the Cypriot Orthodox Church, who urged them to walk away from a punitive deal rather than sacrifice the country’s dignity. Cyprus should also quit the euro, he added.

    “We all believed that by entering the eurozone, there would be a kind of solidarity if there was a need for it — but they are strangling our economy,” he said. “We were told we needed €17 billion, but for a Europe with a budget of trillions it should not be a problem to find a solution. With the sort of behaviour that we are being treated with now, I believe it is better not to be in the eurozone,” he said. “When the time is right, Cyprus should leave the euro.”
    Hello Archbishop, when do you think the time would be right ? Yes, you are right that for a Eurozone dealing in trillions, EUR 17 billion is nothing. But that is exactly how you came to this situation. You went on your merry ways, off ering ridiculous interest rates on deposits, inviting dodgy money in, all riding the "Euro" wave !

    It cuts both ways !
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 69,759
    If this telepgraph update (and linked article) is anywhere close to being true, I am amazed this is the first I have heard of it in my unfocused internet news wanderings:

    "It seems incredible, but new research concludes that Bangladesh – and others of the world's poorest countries – will have eradicated extreme poverty within 20 years. And already the proportion of the world's people living on less than $1.25 a day has been cut in half since 1990. In my Daily Telegraph column this week I describe one of the great underreported stories of our time."

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/geoffreylean/100208755/perhaps-the-poor-will-not-always-be-with-us-after-all/
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 69,759
    @surbiton

    Well said. I have a great deal of sympathy for the people of Cyprus from the distressing reports we've seen, and the tough choices demanded of them, not least because I fear our own economy is a hell of a lot worse than our leaders want to admit, but some comments from the Cypriots give the impression they do not want to accept a genuine assessment of how much of this is their own fault, and how much it is reasonable they pay.

    Of course, we'd all react the same way in that situation, but the argument presented by some shell shocked Cypriots seems to be 'We're in trouble now, it's unfair we're being forced into tough choices and are being made to pay...but we won't talk about how we got into trouble'. Like it's a natural disaster they had no part in.
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    Cyprus:

    President Nicos Anastasides told international lenders that their proposal to saddle the Bank of Cyprus with some €9 billion in emergency liquidity assistance owed by the Popular Bank to the European Central Bank, effectively meant the lender’s closure in six months, the Cyprus News Agency (CNA) reported.

    “I table one proposal, you don’t accept it; I table another, same thing. What else do you want me to do? Do you want to force me to resign? If that’s what you want, let me know,” CNA quoted Anastasiades as telling international lenders.

    Apparently the official Eurogroup meeting has not long kicked off.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 6,979

    The URL thingy in the posting box is useful.

    That doesn't appear in Chrome

  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    kle4 said:

    If this telepgraph update (and linked article) is anywhere close to being true, I am amazed this is the first I have heard of it in my unfocused internet news wanderings:

    "It seems incredible, but new research concludes that Bangladesh – and others of the world's poorest countries – will have eradicated extreme poverty within 20 years. And already the proportion of the world's people living on less than $1.25 a day has been cut in half since 1990. In my Daily Telegraph column this week I describe one of the great underreported stories of our time."

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/geoffreylean/100208755/perhaps-the-poor-will-not-always-be-with-us-after-all/

    Bangladesh has been growing at over 6% for the last 15 years or so. It has 50 million mobile phones, for example and receives upwards of $14 billion in remittances from Bangladeshis abroad. A fifth of all shirts, jeans, knitted garments in the world in made in Bangladesh. It more or less feeds itself. It has a population of 170m in a area slightly smaller than England.

    When you compound 6% every year for 25 years, it begins to have effect.

    Even the cricket team is improving !

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 69,759
    Heh, a very astute comment I must have missed from a few days ago:

    "It is another feature of democratic regimes that they are instinctively uncomfortable with imperial pretensions; so they seek the moral high ground, like a mountaineer who just keeps climbing higher when he’s lost in the fog. We British liked to think that we were bringing civilisation and the rule of law to our colonies. The Americans have tended to deny an imperial role altogether and talk about safeguarding democracy.

    Now it is the Germans’ turn to exercise an imperium. "

    One thing that has become more noticable in the past year is the openness from which the true powerplayers of Europe have been calling the shots. After all, the great powers of Europe are broadly the same as they have been for a very long time, and everyone's always known who the big players are as a result in the EU, but it does feel like those powers, us included, are being more obvious about such things in recent years.

    We may be in a hard position ourselves, and a long way from our peak, no one would dispute that, but despite the naysayers Britain is still significant in the world (if not to the same degree - heck, even the USA is not as significant as it used to be, while still holding primacy), and we and other powers are seeming more demanding now.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/cyprus/9948545/Southern-Europe-lies-prostrate-before-the-German-imperium.html
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 6,979
    Just to say that PBers have made donations totalling £800 today. Thank you on behalf of all of those involved in running the site.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    @surbiton Yes. A bit part of that is improvements in healthcare and education thanks to the better aid projects. The article that links through to mentions polio vaccination increasing from 1% to 88%, for instance. That is a direct output of the work of the Gates Foundation and others.
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,228
    I am using Firefox.

    The URL thingy in the posting box is useful.

    That doesn't appear in Chrome

  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    edited March 2013
    @MikeSmithson @Neil Rand Paul is much better suited to New Hampshire (in the primary) and Nevada than Iowa. His heterodoxy on foreign policy and social policy means the party won't have changed enough to accept him in 2016, but 2020 is another matter completely. There's a generational change coming.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Socrates said:

    @surbiton Yes. A bit part of that is improvements in healthcare and education thanks to the better aid projects. The article that links through to mentions polio vaccination increasing from 1% to 88%, for instance. That is a direct output of the work of the Gates Foundation and others.

    Socrates said:

    @surbiton Yes. A bit part of that is improvements in healthcare and education thanks to the better aid projects. The article that links through to mentions polio vaccination increasing from 1% to 88%, for instance. That is a direct output of the work of the Gates Foundation and others.

    Something else happened in Bangladesh in the last thirty that did not happen in, say, Pakistan, another Muslim country. An Economics professor, Mohammad Yunus, who received the Nobel Prize, started a micro-credit scheme called the Grameen Bank. It has helped more than 20 million people, 98% of whom are women. Also, the garment industry employs 90% women.
    Even though the wages are still very poor by international standards, these women previously would have been at the mercy of men in the society and not all had the welfare of "their" women at heart.

    These two sectors have empowered Bangladeshi women like never before. The Bangladeshi per capita income in 2012 on a PPP basis is close to $2000. Still very low but in a different level than 20 years ago.

  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    Twitter reports of a bomb explosion at Bank of Cyprus in Limassol.

    No confirmation yet in main stream media. May just be rumour.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    Twitter now posting photo of bombed branch.

    https://twitter.com/russian_market/status/315961653059543041/photo/1

    Does not look from photo as if it is a major incident.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    @lucian_fletcher I am now watching a rugby game (tape delay) between Leinster and Glasgow. The Welsh ref has a prominent logo for 'SpecSavers' front and back on his shirt.

    Very reassuring.

    As an NFL fan, where every stadium holds 85-90,000 people, it's somewhat nostalgic to see these tiny little stadiums with corrugated metal roofs and seats for a couple thousand folks at max.

    It reminds me of my days in 'the jungle' at Castleford or Wakefield Trinity in Eddie Waring times.


  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    News coming in that Cyprus deal has been agreed with Troika.

    Bank of Cyprus and Cyprus Popular Bank to be restructured. 40% haircut for depositors over 100K. Eurozone Finance Ministers meeting finally to get under way.

    Is this all rumour or real?

    Stay tuned.
  • I must admit that I did wonder if the rugby bosses should have had more respect than to allow that sponsorship. I have seen it before. If you want to see a really pitiful crowd, watch London or Salford in the Super League.
  • England are being ripped a new one here. 140/1 in the session so far
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,228
    AveryLP said:

    News coming in that Cyprus deal has been agreed with Troika.

    I am been following this person on twitter
    @EfiEfthimiou
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 68,520
    edited March 2013

    England are being ripped a new one here. 140/1 in the session so far

    Was just about to write that myself. Do New Zealand have the same Peter Fulton as they had in the first innings ?

    Must be crap as a bowler to bowl to what looks more like a 1 day or even 20:20 field. NZ will load up the slips when they bowl no doubt ^^;

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    What an appalling session for England in Auckland. 141 runs for NZ.
  • @Pulpstar Must be bloody frustrating to be told that you were doing well to keep going on a flat track, only to see your batsmen bowled out before the follow-on mark. But England were openly rowing in the field just then. I hope they get this all out of their system before the summer.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited March 2013
    @old_labour

    Thanks for link.

    Amusing interchange of tweets with Reuters Luke Baker reporting that an EU Official claimed "only way to explain Cypriot parliament's behaviour is that Russia has a strong interest in campaign financing".

    EU Official is apparently implying that Russia has bribed all Cypriot MPs to vote down its government's agreements with the EU.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 15,624
    40% haircuts in Cyprus, presumably 100,000 Euros and over. Is that just the formally insolvent banks or are they still planning on taxing all the accounts?
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    AveryLP said:

    EU Official is apparently implying that Russia has bribed all Cypriot MPs to vote down its government's agreements with the EU.

    Well that hasnt gone very well for the Russians, has it? Any alternative to the original deal (or no deal at all) is going to work out worse for them.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 15,624
    @AveryLP
    Is this all rumour or real?
    Must be real, saw it on Twitter.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 90,523
    Socrates - If Hillary is the Dem nominee in 2016 I can see the next 2 GOP candidates being Santorum in 2016 and Rand Paul in 2020 (establishment types will either not run when they are bound to be beaten by her, or be too moderate for the base like Christie). That would mean basically Hillary could take the summer off in her general election bids as she will cruise to probably the biggest Democratic landslides since LBJ beat Goldwater!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 69,759
    @Lucien Fletcher

    Both England and Australia are capable of playing a lot better than they have recently - with any luck, recent efforts will spur both on for a high quality exchange, rather than 2009's 'Let's see who can collapse the most' affair.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    @Neil

    Russians, particularly named bankers, are hovering over this deal like vultures.

    Timing is all.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited March 2013
    @edmundintokyo

    Am not standing by the bribery accusations, but it does look as though the Finance Ministers meeting is about to start, following an agreement between Anastadiades and the Troika.

    Closure and restructuring of top two banks and 40% haircuts on deposits over 100k euros is being almost universally reported as a done deal.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 69,759
    As a parting shot, I see Salmond wants a TV debate with Cameron. I can understand why - not only would Salmond in all probability wipe the floor with Cameron, it wouldn't matter if Cameron defied expectations and ripped Salmond a new one, as to hear our Nat friends (and many others) tell it, anything Cameron says will automatically be discounted where it counts, north of the border, because he is a Tory. Refuse to do it, and that's even better for Salmond. It's win win win.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Are NZ going to declare at lunch or go for a 450 lead?
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 15,624
    @HYUFD Don't assume Hillary is unbeatable. She has unbelievably high ratings right now, but only because right-wingers prefer her to Obama. All the polarization and Clinton sleaze would come back if she actually ran.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 68,520
    @AndyJS The pitch is still a road, England's 2nd innings is the 'non typical' one here. I'd go for 450, allows a more aggresive field setup.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    @lucian_fletcher I'm assuming the Rabodirect pro12 is the old Celtic League. The Wasps game and the Hull KR game are on dvr to record overnight.

    There is a 24/7 cricket network called Willow Cricket available also - again for $14.95 a month.

    As I pay $300 a year for my NFL Sunday Ticket subscription, it's more than enough.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    AveryLP said:

    @Neil

    Timing is all.

    They seem to have borrowed their's from England's batting line-up.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 69,759
    @AndyJS

    I think they'd be tempted to keep going for a bit, to put it absolutely beyond the realms of possibility, but I think on this occasion they'll declare at lunch - England may be playing poorly all round on this tour, but they have plenty of quality batsmen in their lineup even with Pietersen missing, including several who can bat all day if they can get in, others who can be very stubborn to get out, and even those like Broad who have been doing poorly for a while but do have it within them to stick around.

    As England won't be trying to score in good time to reach a big total, focusing on survival, I think NZ will assess the risk of giving too much time and not quite big enough a total, as less than the chance that at least a few of the England batsmen misfire and allow NZ inroads, and that they need to give themselves enough time as they can to take the ten wickets.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    @Edmundintiokyo

    Very difficult to glean details but latest tweet from Reuters man in Brussels is:

    Luke Baker ‏@LukeReuters 4m
    Draft deal would see secured deposits in Laiki moved to Bank of Cyprus and shutting Laiki, sources say. Bank of Cyprus also to be hit
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    I tend to think there's a big difference between making a side bat for five as opposed to four sessions. If a side bats well it ought to be able to survive four sessions. But somehow that extra session makes all the difference, so that it's almost impossible for even a very good side to survive five sessions against even a mediocre bowling attack. So NZ will want to get the extra 40 runs as quickly as possible.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    @edmundintokyo

    First big reaction on currency markets. Euro leaps half a cent.

    See: http://www.livecharts.co.uk/ForexCharts/eurusd.php
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 15,624
    @AveryLP I guess it's just the dodgiest banks getting haircuts because the number's so high, unless the EU and IMF reduced their offer in the meantime.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited March 2013
    The main reasons why NZ might hesitate to declare at lunch are basically Trott and Cooke. They are the sort of batsmen who can bat for a very long time if they get it right.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 90,523
    EdmundinTokyo - True, but only Christie could appeal to enough moderates and independents to beat her but he would not get the nod with the present GOP. Hillary would steamroller over Santorum and Paul without any difficulty and of course despite polarisation and sleaze the Clinton machine won 2 good victories in 1992 and 1996!
  • RobCRobC Posts: 398
    kle4 said:

    As a parting shot, I see Salmond wants a TV debate with Cameron. I can understand why - not only would Salmond in all probability wipe the floor with Cameron, it wouldn't matter if Cameron defied expectations and ripped Salmond a new one, as to hear our Nat friends (and many others) tell it, anything Cameron says will automatically be discounted where it counts, north of the border, because he is a Tory. Refuse to do it, and that's even better for Salmond. It's win win win.

    Equally Salmond seemed remarkably disinclined to have the debate with Alastair Darling. Maybe it's because Darling's whole persona is very much in tune with the current public mood. In 2006 he was deemed boring now he seems sober, respectable and most of all right.After a dismal few months the Nats mood appeared to have lifted because of one poll which may yet prove an outlier.As for Labour if they replaced Balls with Darling after the referendum the route to victory in 2015 would be that much clearer.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 15,624
    @HYUFD She'd easily beat Santorum and probably Paul (although he's flexible and cunning and could surprise) but it's too early to conclude that the GOP won't be able to find someone more credible to run.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited March 2013
    @edmundintokyo

    From what I can glean from twitter feeds and reading between the lines it looks as though Cyprus Popular Bank will be closed and its deposits will be transferred to Bank of Cyprus. A 40% haircut will then be applied to all deposits over 100 k euros.

    As Bank of Cyprus was reported to have 28 billion in euro deposits before the restructuring it does look as though the 40% haircut will deliver the 5.8 bn the Troika were asking for.

    There are some other tweets that report the haircut will be limited to BoC deposits so you may be right on its limited scope.
  • @AndyJS Judging by the way England were bowling, I would bat for 10 overs. Less than an hour of the session gone and probably a ludicrous number of runs on the board.
  • asjohnstoneasjohnstone Posts: 1,276
    "Equally Salmond seemed remarkably disinclined to have the debate with Alastair Darling."

    That's because Darling is Scottish, Salmond wants to debate against an upper class Englishman.
  • asjohnstoneasjohnstone Posts: 1,276

    @AndyJS Judging by the way England were bowling, I would bat for 10 overs. Less than an hour of the session gone and probably a ludicrous number of runs on the board.

    I expect they'll declare after Fulton gets to 100; I'd be looking to set a target of about 475ish
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited March 2013
    @edmundintokyo

    I guess it's just the dodgiest banks getting haircuts because the number's so high, unless the EU and IMF reduced their offer in the meantime

    Apparently the sticking point in the negotiations has been the Troika insistence that the ECB liquidity financing of 9 billion euros to Cyprus Popular Bank should continue to be serviced by the restructured Bank of Cyprus. I don't know what has been finally agreed on this demand but it is almost certain to have added to Cyprus's overall contribution.

    [Edit: ELA financing to Bank of Cyrus is 1 bn so the combined obligation is 10 bn. Latest tweets suggest that full amount remains repayable by Bank of Cyprus].

  • @asjohnstone I just think why not humiliate England until this pair get out. They are trying to score off every ball. 500 would be a lovely demoralising figure. They deserve it.
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    From Reuters:

    Draft proposal, presented to euro zone finance ministers for discussion, will involve setting up a "good bank" and a "bad bank" and will mean that Popular Bank of Cyprus, known as Laiki, will be shut down.

    Deposits below 100,000 euros in Laiki will be transferred to Bank of Cyprus. Deposits above 100,000 euros, which under EU law are not insured, will be frozen and will be used to resolve debt. It remains unclear how large the write-down on those funds will be.

    Considerable by the looks of it.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    kle4 said:


    Well said. I have a great deal of sympathy for the people of Cyprus from the distressing reports we've seen, and the tough choices demanded of them, not least because I fear our own economy is a hell of a lot worse than our leaders want to admit, but some comments from the Cypriots give the impression they do not want to accept a genuine assessment of how much of this is their own fault, and how much it is reasonable they pay.

    The banking crisis is not a morality tale.

    A lot of Cyprus's problems stem from the German-imposed "solution" to the Greek problem, so the Cypriots might have a point. Cyprus's banks own a lot of Greek bonds which were suddenly worth a lot less. Quite what the Cypriot people were supposed to do about this is unclear.

    They could export more, except their main (invisible) export is tourism, and it turns out European tourists are staying at home.


  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    30% on those deposits according to the Cypriot media.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 90,523
    EdmundinTokyo - Remember too the GOP historically picks the next in line, which would be Santorum in 2016 and maybe Paul in 2020!
  • asjohnstoneasjohnstone Posts: 1,276

    @asjohnstone I just think why not humiliate England until this pair get out. They are trying to score off every ball. 500 would be a lovely demoralising figure. They deserve it.

    It's a balancing act. I think NZ should be going for the win;

    500 is nice number, but they need 10 wickets to win the game. Clock could be against them, esp if they make a slow start. The draw becomes possible. Go early and they can get 125 overs to attack them.



  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    I doubt it will be Santorum for the GOP in 2016.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 90,523
    If he wins Iowa as he did in 2008 he will be in with a shout
  • NormNorm Posts: 1,248
    Quite clever to restrict the 30% theft to those with more than 100K Euros in their accounts. Should prevent revolution as the numbers now affected will be numerically small. As usual with anything to do with saving the Euro the problem is merely postponed until the next crisis.
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    He's too far out to the right and its been a long time since the GOP ultimately chose someone that far out there.
  • NormNorm Posts: 1,248
    Is the forecast good for day 5? Sides do seem to declare too late in general although most do still go on and win. I'd declare 430 ahead and say to England go on break the record if you're good enough.
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