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politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Today’s new Euro polls: Survation for London and YouGov for GB

It is widely known that London tends to have a different view of the world than the rest of GB and so it appears to be with this month’s Euro elections.

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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,583
    Nigel Farage hit by an egg in Nottinghamshire, after chickening out of running in Newark yesterday.

    So we finally have an answer to that question about the chicken and the egg.

    The chicken came first, then the egg.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,001
    Can see the Milibandwagon's rent proposals going down very well in London no matter if they are any good or not.
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    TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    edited May 2014
    OGH the change on 2009 Yougov option is showing same numbers as Survation. Shurely shome mishtake?
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    FPT

    Nigel Farage hit by an egg in Nottingham, after chickening out of running in Newark yesterday.

    So we finally have an answer to that question about the chicken and the egg.

    The chicken came first, then the egg.

    You are getting more twattish by the hour.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,001
    There is some voodoo going on in dee polls
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,583
    MikeK said:

    FPT

    Nigel Farage hit by an egg in Nottingham, after chickening out of running in Newark yesterday.

    So we finally have an answer to that question about the chicken and the egg.

    The chicken came first, then the egg.

    You are getting more twattish by the hour.
    Kippers = The Fuzzy Wuzzies.

    They don't like it up 'em Mr Mainwaring.
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    SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    Must have been a left wing eggstremist?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,583
    Smarmeron said:

    Must have been a left wing eggstremist?

    The yolk is on Farage.

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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    Nigel Farage hit by an egg in Nottinghamshire, after chickening out of running in Newark yesterday.

    So we finally have an answer to that question about the chicken and the egg.

    The chicken came first, then the egg.

    It's depressing when politicians of any side get stuff thrown at them. At least they're doing their best to engage in the democratic protest. The egg-throwers are just juvenile idiots incapable of making reasoned arguments.
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    NextNext Posts: 826
    Smarmeron said:

    Must have been a left wing eggstremist?

    Workers - throw off your yolks.
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    SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    Did the police scramble to his assistance?
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    TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited May 2014
    Kipper tie?

    It must be time for Mr Eagles notorious 'jam joke'.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,713
    Big decline for the Green Party on last time. They'll be well miffed if they lose their London seat, but at least it will be turning Red not Blue.
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    MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    Let's get serious. This was no yoke
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    ToryJimToryJim Posts: 3,460
    Socrates said:

    Nigel Farage hit by an egg in Nottinghamshire, after chickening out of running in Newark yesterday.

    So we finally have an answer to that question about the chicken and the egg.

    The chicken came first, then the egg.

    It's depressing when politicians of any side get stuff thrown at them. At least they're doing their best to engage in the democratic protest. The egg-throwers are just juvenile idiots incapable of making reasoned arguments.
    Indeed.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,583
    Socrates said:

    Nigel Farage hit by an egg in Nottinghamshire, after chickening out of running in Newark yesterday.

    So we finally have an answer to that question about the chicken and the egg.

    The chicken came first, then the egg.

    It's depressing when politicians of any side get stuff thrown at them. At least they're doing their best to engage in the democratic protest. The egg-throwers are just juvenile idiots incapable of making reasoned arguments.
    I know, one of my earliest memories was of John Major getting egged in the '92 election.

    The election that made me a Tory.
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    LennonLennon Posts: 1,736
    All right - that's un oeuf egg puns...
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    One for the kipper photo albumen.

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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,583
    Smarmeron said:

    Did the police scramble to his assistance?

    How many policemen does it take to smash an egg?

    None. It fell down the stairs.
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    MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    TGOHF said:

    One for the kipper photo albumen.

    A political oeufquake.
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    NextNext Posts: 826
    I think it would be more offensive to Farage, if he had a croissant thrown at him.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,967

    Big decline for the Green Party on last time. They'll be well miffed if they lose their London seat, but at least it will be turning Red not Blue.

    Polling tends to underestimate support for the Greens.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,001
    I think the comment section is falling fowl of it's usual high standards, doubt this incident will crack UKIP however.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,967

    To be honest, I think scores of 36-38% for UKIP are a bit too good to be true. c.30% seems more plausible.
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    MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    edited May 2014
    REMEMBER TOMORROW. The next Dirty Dicks (opp Liverpool Street station in London) gathering will start 6.30pm. Looking forward to seeing as many PBers as possible.
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976

    Smarmeron said:

    Did the police scramble to his assistance?

    How many policemen does it take to smash an egg?

    None. It fell down the stairs.
    Perchance, did the content then leak into the press?
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    isamisam Posts: 41,002
    Beardy weirdy that did it I see.. that'll be more votes in the UKIP hod from normal people

    Nige should've done a Prescott and banged him out!

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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    FPT (apologies)

    RobD said:

    Ballot order should be randomised to stop this kind of shenanigan.

    Would you do this so that each ballot paper could have a different order, or so that there was one order that was determined randomly that was replicated over all the ballot papers in each constituency?

    The former is better from the point of view of ensuring that ballot order does not influence the result, but it makes it a lot harder for the ballot papers to be counted.

    You could make the different-ordered ballots a different colour. Such that they can be organised by ordering, and each counter only counts a specific ordering.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    Sean_F said:

    Big decline for the Green Party on last time. They'll be well miffed if they lose their London seat, but at least it will be turning Red not Blue.

    Polling tends to underestimate support for the Greens.
    Although not relevant to London, I have a feeling that the Greens may do well in some rural areas with their anti-fracking stance. They're using the description "Green Party: Stop Fracking Now" on the ballot papers (in some areas at least).
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    isam said:

    Beardy weirdy that did it I see.. that'll be more votes in the UKIP hod from normal people

    Nige should've done a Prescott and banged him out!

    Which would boost Nige more - being hit by an egg or not being hit by an egg - or even if there being no eggs ?

    All three would see PM Nige nailed on ?
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    NextNext Posts: 826
    TGOHF said:

    isam said:

    Beardy weirdy that did it I see.. that'll be more votes in the UKIP hod from normal people

    Nige should've done a Prescott and banged him out!

    Which would boost Nige more - being hit by an egg or not being hit by an egg - or even if there being no eggs ?

    All three would see PM Nige nailed on ?
    Now, now. Don't egg him on.
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    ToryJimToryJim Posts: 3,460
    I see it was an opportunist egging, the guy had to go to Tesco to buy the eggs first.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27242557
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,967

    Sean_F said:

    Big decline for the Green Party on last time. They'll be well miffed if they lose their London seat, but at least it will be turning Red not Blue.

    Polling tends to underestimate support for the Greens.
    Although not relevant to London, I have a feeling that the Greens may do well in some rural areas with their anti-fracking stance. They're using the description "Green Party: Stop Fracking Now" on the ballot papers (in some areas at least).
    I think it will help here and there. But, in this round of elections, London offers the best chance of a big vote.

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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited May 2014
    The trouble with thumping an egg throwing beardy-wierdy is you never know if they’re the Arch Bishop of Canterbury or not..!
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    edited May 2014

    Smarmeron said:

    Must have been a left wing eggstremist?

    The yolk is on Farage.

    Do you have to crack such oeuf-ful yolks?
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    isamisam Posts: 41,002
    edited May 2014
    TGOHF said:

    isam said:

    Beardy weirdy that did it I see.. that'll be more votes in the UKIP hod from normal people

    Nige should've done a Prescott and banged him out!

    Which would boost Nige more - being hit by an egg or not being hit by an egg - or even if there being no eggs ?

    All three would see PM Nige nailed on ?
    Being hit the biggest boost

    If he had banged the idiot out the boost would be even bigger, so a bit disappointing

    Sorry to be pro UKIP, all I did was predict they would do well in the polls etc.. and they have.

    I have the betting slips to prove it
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    SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    The Conservative dream of the return to "Victorian values" becoming a reality?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-27242443

    Dunno why they would offer him a Nobel prize though....I have been saying the same for years!
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,583
    Footage of the egging.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygzxl7EjJ7o
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    Stuart_DicksonStuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557
    Best prices - Newark by-election

    Con 4/7 (Lad, PP)
    Lab 3/1 (Lad, PP)
    UKIP 7/2 (Lad)
    LD 200/1 (PP)
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,920
    Pulpstar said:

    Can see the Milibandwagon's rent proposals going down very well in London no matter if they are any good or not.

    That's the thing about Ed (and perhaps Socialism in general) all his proposals sound good until you have the misfortune of actually living through them.

    Fortunately we have some experience of socialism in the 1970's and it was complete and total disaster, but given how long ago it was, those that can remember have had their memories dulled with time and of course many millions now have know memory of the three day week, power cut's, winter of discontent, etc...

    We know that everything in life is circular and I do get the feeling Brit's are ready to go back to a proper socialist government. What will be interesting (assuming they get their wish) is how long it takes them to get fed up with it.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    TGOHF said:

    isam said:

    Beardy weirdy that did it I see.. that'll be more votes in the UKIP hod from normal people

    Nige should've done a Prescott and banged him out!

    All three would see PM Nige nailed on ?
    You eggsagerate surely?
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    LennonLennon Posts: 1,736

    The trouble with thumping an egg throwing beardy-wierdy is you never know if they’re the Arch Bishop of Canterbury or not..!

    Whilst not disagreeing with your sentiment - I think you mean the previous Archbish rather than the current.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787

    Footage of the egging.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygzxl7EjJ7o

    That's cheating - its more like the assailant hit Farage holding an egg......where's the sport in that?
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    This poll inclines me to vote Green, so that both the Greens and the Lib Dems have a chance of getting a seat.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,970
    GIN1138 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Can see the Milibandwagon's rent proposals going down very well in London no matter if they are any good or not.

    That's the thing about Ed (and perhaps Socialism in general) all his proposals sound good until you have the misfortune of actually living through them.

    Fortunately we have some experience of socialism in the 1970's and it was complete and total disaster, but given how long ago it was, those that can remember have had their memories dulled with time and of course many millions now have know memory of the three day week, power cut's, winter of discontent, etc...

    We know that everything in life is circular and I do get the feeling Brit's are ready to go back to a proper socialist government. What will be interesting (assuming they get their wish) is how long it takes them to get fed up with it.

    I was only 10 or so when they happened but I am pretty sure that the three day week and the power cuts occurred during the time of the Heath government. The strikes you may be referring to that took place throughout the 70s were less about socialism and much more about earning higher salaries and maintaining differentials, neither of which was particularly socialist. And those doing the striking were almost all members of the white working class that so many Tories and UKIPers like to say that Labour has abandoned.

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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Can someone who has watched the video tell me whether Nigel Farage was hit by an immigrant egg or by a British egg?
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    NextNext Posts: 826
    antifrank said:

    Can someone who has watched the video tell me whether Nigel Farage was hit by an immigrant egg or by a British egg?

    Immigrant of course.

    The immigrant egg was up and at work, whilst the British egg was just looking to get laid.

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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,967

    GIN1138 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Can see the Milibandwagon's rent proposals going down very well in London no matter if they are any good or not.

    That's the thing about Ed (and perhaps Socialism in general) all his proposals sound good until you have the misfortune of actually living through them.

    Fortunately we have some experience of socialism in the 1970's and it was complete and total disaster, but given how long ago it was, those that can remember have had their memories dulled with time and of course many millions now have know memory of the three day week, power cut's, winter of discontent, etc...

    We know that everything in life is circular and I do get the feeling Brit's are ready to go back to a proper socialist government. What will be interesting (assuming they get their wish) is how long it takes them to get fed up with it.

    I was only 10 or so when they happened but I am pretty sure that the three day week and the power cuts occurred during the time of the Heath government. The strikes you may be referring to that took place throughout the 70s were less about socialism and much more about earning higher salaries and maintaining differentials, neither of which was particularly socialist. And those doing the striking were almost all members of the white working class that so many Tories and UKIPers like to say that Labour has abandoned.

    Heath was a socialist.

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    state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,422
    William Hill odds on Labour getting most votes in London at the euros -11/10 second fav!!

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    SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    edited May 2014
    @Sean_F

    "Heath was a socialist."

    Blair was a tory
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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Smarmeron said:

    @Sean_F

    "Heath was a socialist."

    Blair was a tory

    A tax-raising, high-spending Tory...
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    volcanopetevolcanopete Posts: 2,078
    You have to feel for the egg,it's last moments splattered on Farage's face but I guess only eggs will know if it was worth it.
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Socialism always sounds good, but the problem is that it has never succeeded anywhere, ever.Those who declare that capitalism has failed tend to skirt over the far greater and more catastrophic failures of socialism wherever it has been tried.

    Picketty's remedies are just old wine in new bottles.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,001

    William Hill odds on Labour getting most votes in London at the euros -11/10 second fav!!

    I'm being 'refferred to the trader, just stuck the rest of my open balance on it...
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820

    William Hill odds on Labour getting most votes in London at the euros -11/10 second fav!!

    Good spot! Pity my account is limited to tuppence ha'penny.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,001
    Single
    22 May 2014 - European Parliament Elections - Region Betting - London - Party With The Most Votes
    Labour @ 11/10
    Stake : £9.09
    Estimated Returns : £19.08
    Transaction Reference:--
    Total Stake : £9.09
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    MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    Smarmeron said:

    @Sean_F

    "Heath was a socialist."

    Blair was a tory

    Who you voted for, no doubt.



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    state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,422
    Pulpstar said:

    Single
    22 May 2014 - European Parliament Elections - Region Betting - London - Party With The Most Votes
    Labour @ 11/10
    Stake : £9.09
    Estimated Returns : £19.08
    Transaction Reference:--
    Total Stake : £9.09

    is that your admirable prudence in limiting the bet or William Hills ?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,001

    William Hill odds on Labour getting most votes in London at the euros -11/10 second fav!!

    Going to head to the Hills shop after work see if I can get any more on, provided it is > 1/2 the price is crackers.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,001

    Pulpstar said:

    Single
    22 May 2014 - European Parliament Elections - Region Betting - London - Party With The Most Votes
    Labour @ 11/10
    Stake : £9.09
    Estimated Returns : £19.08
    Transaction Reference:--
    Total Stake : £9.09

    is that your admirable prudence in limiting the bet or William Hills ?
    Tried to stick £40 on, Hills are the chickens.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,970
    Sean_F said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Can see the Milibandwagon's rent proposals going down very well in London no matter if they are any good or not.

    That's the thing about Ed (and perhaps Socialism in general) all his proposals sound good until you have the misfortune of actually living through them.

    Fortunately we have some experience of socialism in the 1970's and it was complete and total disaster, but given how long ago it was, those that can remember have had their memories dulled with time and of course many millions now have know memory of the three day week, power cut's, winter of discontent, etc...

    We know that everything in life is circular and I do get the feeling Brit's are ready to go back to a proper socialist government. What will be interesting (assuming they get their wish) is how long it takes them to get fed up with it.

    I was only 10 or so when they happened but I am pretty sure that the three day week and the power cuts occurred during the time of the Heath government. The strikes you may be referring to that took place throughout the 70s were less about socialism and much more about earning higher salaries and maintaining differentials, neither of which was particularly socialist. And those doing the striking were almost all members of the white working class that so many Tories and UKIPers like to say that Labour has abandoned.

    Heath was a socialist.

    No, he wasn't.

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    SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    edited May 2014
    @taffys

    Neither capitalism nor communism work all the time. The trick is to work out where each has it's place.
    (Don't ask the Lib Dems, they are as clueless as the rest)
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,001
    How much do they let you stick on in a shop before they need to call HQ ?
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Sean_F said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Can see the Milibandwagon's rent proposals going down very well in London no matter if they are any good or not.

    That's the thing about Ed (and perhaps Socialism in general) all his proposals sound good until you have the misfortune of actually living through them.

    Fortunately we have some experience of socialism in the 1970's and it was complete and total disaster, but given how long ago it was, those that can remember have had their memories dulled with time and of course many millions now have know memory of the three day week, power cut's, winter of discontent, etc...

    We know that everything in life is circular and I do get the feeling Brit's are ready to go back to a proper socialist government. What will be interesting (assuming they get their wish) is how long it takes them to get fed up with it.

    I was only 10 or so when they happened but I am pretty sure that the three day week and the power cuts occurred during the time of the Heath government. The strikes you may be referring to that took place throughout the 70s were less about socialism and much more about earning higher salaries and maintaining differentials, neither of which was particularly socialist. And those doing the striking were almost all members of the white working class that so many Tories and UKIPers like to say that Labour has abandoned.

    Heath was a socialist.

    Yes, he U-turned in the face of union led opposition to a democratically elected government implementing the mandate that the British people had given them, but the Selsdon Park policy document was a forerunner of a lot of what Thatcher subsequently did

    Heath was weak and ineffective (and his opponents strong and prepared to push the limits of what should be acceptable in a democratic society) but he wasn't a socialist
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    volcanopetevolcanopete Posts: 2,078
    What you have all been waiting for,a comparative article on housing policy in Venezuela,showing how successful it was in boosting the economy and reducing poverty.

    http://www.theguardian.com/housing-network/2013/jun/06/public-investment-housing-venezuela
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,001
    @state_go_away

    Conservatives 19/20

    Wonder how much they have taken on that ;)
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    taffys said:

    Socialism always sounds good, but the problem is that it has never succeeded anywhere, ever.Those who declare that capitalism has failed tend to skirt over the far greater and more catastrophic failures of socialism wherever it has been tried.

    Picketty's remedies are just old wine in new bottles.

    Not the best simile.

    Wine usually improves with age...
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    SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @MonikerDiCanio
    Yes, but only because it seemed the least bad option. (I am of a generation who see voting as an obligation)
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    state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,422
    Pulpstar said:

    @state_go_away

    Conservatives 19/20

    Wonder how much they have taken on that ;)

    Got £30 online!! (on labour that is)
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,970
    taffys said:

    Socialism always sounds good, but the problem is that it has never succeeded anywhere, ever.Those who declare that capitalism has failed tend to skirt over the far greater and more catastrophic failures of socialism wherever it has been tried.

    Picketty's remedies are just old wine in new bottles.

    Socialism is utopian fantasy. That's why any attempt to introduce it is doomed to fail. And anyone seeking to impose it is immediately destroying any hope that it might work. Capitalism at least has the merit of being based on reality.

    Picketty's work is based on an absolute acceptance of capitalism and has nothing to do with socialism whatsoever. In my book, he is spot on to focus on the growing differential between a super elite of wealthy people and corporations and the rest. It's just not sustainable.

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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,713
    The 3 day week - happy days! Well, not quite, but my dad did play his part in bringing down a Tory government.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    taffys said:

    Socialism always sounds good, but the problem is that it has never succeeded anywhere, ever.Those who declare that capitalism has failed tend to skirt over the far greater and more catastrophic failures of socialism wherever it has been tried.

    Picketty's remedies are just old wine in new bottles.

    Socialism is utopian fantasy. That's why any attempt to introduce it is doomed to fail. And anyone seeking to impose it is immediately destroying any hope that it might work. Capitalism at least has the merit of being based on reality.

    Picketty's work is based on an absolute acceptance of capitalism and has nothing to do with socialism whatsoever. In my book, he is spot on to focus on the growing differential between a super elite of wealthy people and corporations and the rest. It's just not sustainable.

    It's entirely sustainable in an era of world economic growth. Whether it's desirable is a separate question. The standard bien pensant answer is no.

    Personally, I think it's entirely the wrong question.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    Charles said:

    Heath was weak and ineffective (and his opponents strong and prepared to push the limits of what should be acceptable in a democratic society) but he wasn't a socialist

    The thing is, it wasn't just Heath: it was the entire political establishment and civil service which had given up. By the time Heath came to be PM, it was actually too late; the intimidation by the unions and the attendant blackmail on wages and on subsidies to duff nationalised industries (themselves very badly run) seemed a completely intractable problem. The time when this could have been addressed without the turmoil of the Thatcher years was much earlier, in Wilson's first government.

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    FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916
    OT

    ExxonMobil have published their Global Energy Outlook to 2040.

    There are some interesting charts on supply and demand, and CO2 production where Asia is romping away.

    http://corporate.exxonmobil.com/en/energy/energy-outlook/charts
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    SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @SouthamObserver

    Isn't the "Big Society" a form of socialism? (whatever happened to that idea?)
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    edited May 2014

    The 3 day week - happy days! Well, not quite, but my dad did play his part in bringing down a Tory government.

    And a Labour one no doubt.

    Still, it led to Maggie, so he can be proud.
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    isamisam Posts: 41,002
    Martin Bentham ‏@martinbentham 3m
    Oxford Migration Observatory finds there are 1.6 million more EU migrants in the UK than Britons living in other EU countries.
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,290
    Barrister Constance Briscoe guilty of lying to police probing ex-UK minister Chris Huhne's speeding points case

    More to follow.
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    MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    edited May 2014
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27244889

    Briscoe found guilty. LIAMT said something big would come out of the case, is this it?
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    state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,422
    dr_spyn said:

    Barrister Constance Briscoe guilty of lying to police probing ex-UK minister Chris Huhne's speeding points case

    More to follow.

    All the more important to make sure the police themselves don't lie . Mitchell case etc
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    ToryJimToryJim Posts: 3,460
    dr_spyn said:

    Barrister Constance Briscoe guilty of lying to police probing ex-UK minister Chris Huhne's speeding points case

    More to follow.

    That's her glittering career over. Bit of jail time I suspect.

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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,713
    Mr Nabavi - I don't seem to recall the NUM being on strike in the Winter of Discontent, so no.
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    state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,422
    Smarmeron said:

    @SouthamObserver

    Isn't the "Big Society" a form of socialism? (whatever happened to that idea?)

    Thought that was the opposite of socialism ,if I understand socialism to be state control of things
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787

    Charles said:

    Heath was weak and ineffective (and his opponents strong and prepared to push the limits of what should be acceptable in a democratic society) but he wasn't a socialist

    The time when this could have been addressed without the turmoil of the Thatcher years was much earlier, in Wilson's first government.
    Which Wilson bottled. 'In Place of Strife' became 'Managed Decline' - and it took Thatcher (who could work out the horrors of compounded annual relative decline) to say 'Enough!'

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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,001
    edited May 2014
    @State_go_away Managed to get another £50 on now :), my Dad had £20 for himself too

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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    edited May 2014
    isam said:

    Martin Bentham ‏@martinbentham 3m
    Oxford Migration Observatory finds there are 1.6 million more EU migrants in the UK than Britons living in other EU countries.

    Oh no - we've imported hard working dentists, doctors and builders and exported blonde drug smuggling barmaids and pensioners !

    It's not like the good old days I tells ya.
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    SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @state_go_away

    No, The idea of socialism is that co-operation is better than conflict. Most religions espouse it.
    Unfortunately mankind is to busy grabbing what it can to understand.
    We are more like chimpanzees than bonobos unfortunately.
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    SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    Good selling point on bonobos......they have more sex than chimps
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    isamisam Posts: 41,002
    TGOHF said:

    isam said:

    Martin Bentham ‏@martinbentham 3m
    Oxford Migration Observatory finds there are 1.6 million more EU migrants in the UK than Britons living in other EU countries.

    Oh no - we've imported hard working dentists, doctors and builders and exported blonde drug smuggling barmaids and pensioners !

    It's not like the good old days I tells ya.
    Wouldn't know

    Rather an extreme position to bracket together all immigrants as good/all Brits as bad.. not very broad minded but there you go

    Normally a left wing position to take, but just goes to show UKIP is uniting the old regime!
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    dr_spyn said:

    Barrister Constance Briscoe guilty of lying to police probing ex-UK minister Chris Huhne's speeding points case

    More to follow.

    A tragic waste of a fine career - and all because a barrister lied for a friend, who lied for her husband, who lied for his political career.
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,290
    CourtNewsUK ‏@CourtNewsUK 4m
    Briscoe a 'compulsive and self-publicising fantasist’ says Chris Huhne. Right back at ya
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:

    Heath was weak and ineffective (and his opponents strong and prepared to push the limits of what should be acceptable in a democratic society) but he wasn't a socialist

    The thing is, it wasn't just Heath: it was the entire political establishment and civil service which had given up. By the time Heath came to be PM, it was actually too late; the intimidation by the unions and the attendant blackmail on wages and on subsidies to duff nationalised industries (themselves very badly run) seemed a completely intractable problem. The time when this could have been addressed without the turmoil of the Thatcher years was much earlier, in Wilson's first government.

    He was PM - he gets the blame. Thacher demonstrated that, with carefully planning and cautious steps, the problem wasn't intractable
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    a 'compulsive and self-publicising fantasist’

    In a barrister???? surely not....
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,001
    Glass houses, pots, kettles, and takes one to know one are all springing in my mind.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    edited May 2014
    Charles said:

    He was PM - he gets the blame. Thacher demonstrated that, with carefully planning and cautious steps, the problem wasn't intractable

    It was bloody intractable. Don't underestimate the Thatcher miracle; very, very few people at the time believed it to be possible.

    And yes, of course Heath gets some of the blame; he was weak and made misjudgements, but he did try to do something about it, as Wilson had before him. What you have to understand, though, is that they didn't have the public's support for the battle; we hadn't, as a country, finally confronted the reality. The entire public mood, and the establishment view, was that we should fudge and hope for the best, that nothing more could be done.

    Maggie was able to rescue the country through a mixture of four things, which came together at the same time: her own strength of purpose and moral clarity, the fact that the public had finally, by 1979, got so sick and tired of the wreckers that they were receptive to taking them on, the luck that the Falklands War boosted her position at just the right time, and the fact that she had some really good support from Tebbutt, Keith Joseph and a handful of others.

    It was still a close-run thing: there was nothing inevitable about her success, and I don't think it could have been achieved in the period before her premiership, given that the In Place of Strife opportunity had been thrown away.

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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Sky has a rogues gallery of egged politicians – I’d forgotten how many there were.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1253232/nigel-farage-hit-by-egg-on-campaign-trail
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    dr_spyn said:

    CourtNewsUK ‏@CourtNewsUK 4m
    Briscoe a 'compulsive and self-publicising fantasist’ says Chris Huhne. Right back at ya

    You know, I think that comment reflects worse on Chris Huhne than it does on Briscoe. He might be right, but sometimes it's better to be silent and reflect on the errors of ones ways.

    If he hadn't encouraged his wife to lie about the original speeding offence then none of this would have happened
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    BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    Good afternoon, comrades!
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    Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 13,352
    Pulpstar said:

    @State_go_away Managed to get another £50 on now :), my Dad had £20 for himself too

    Try a betting shop, Pulpy.

    Just got 100 on at 11/10 in my High Street. Had to wait five minutes while they contacted Head Office for somebody who knew they were offering such a bet, but it was worth it.
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