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It is widely known that London tends to have a different view of the world than the rest of GB and so it appears to be with this month’s Euro elections.
Nigel Farage hit by an egg in Nottinghamshire, after chickening out of running in Newark yesterday.
So we finally have an answer to that question about the chicken and the egg.
The chicken came first, then the egg.
It's depressing when politicians of any side get stuff thrown at them. At least they're doing their best to engage in the democratic protest. The egg-throwers are just juvenile idiots incapable of making reasoned arguments.
Nigel Farage hit by an egg in Nottinghamshire, after chickening out of running in Newark yesterday.
So we finally have an answer to that question about the chicken and the egg.
The chicken came first, then the egg.
It's depressing when politicians of any side get stuff thrown at them. At least they're doing their best to engage in the democratic protest. The egg-throwers are just juvenile idiots incapable of making reasoned arguments.
Nigel Farage hit by an egg in Nottinghamshire, after chickening out of running in Newark yesterday.
So we finally have an answer to that question about the chicken and the egg.
The chicken came first, then the egg.
It's depressing when politicians of any side get stuff thrown at them. At least they're doing their best to engage in the democratic protest. The egg-throwers are just juvenile idiots incapable of making reasoned arguments.
I know, one of my earliest memories was of John Major getting egged in the '92 election.
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Ballot order should be randomised to stop this kind of shenanigan.
Would you do this so that each ballot paper could have a different order, or so that there was one order that was determined randomly that was replicated over all the ballot papers in each constituency?
The former is better from the point of view of ensuring that ballot order does not influence the result, but it makes it a lot harder for the ballot papers to be counted.
You could make the different-ordered ballots a different colour. Such that they can be organised by ordering, and each counter only counts a specific ordering.
Big decline for the Green Party on last time. They'll be well miffed if they lose their London seat, but at least it will be turning Red not Blue.
Polling tends to underestimate support for the Greens.
Although not relevant to London, I have a feeling that the Greens may do well in some rural areas with their anti-fracking stance. They're using the description "Green Party: Stop Fracking Now" on the ballot papers (in some areas at least).
Big decline for the Green Party on last time. They'll be well miffed if they lose their London seat, but at least it will be turning Red not Blue.
Polling tends to underestimate support for the Greens.
Although not relevant to London, I have a feeling that the Greens may do well in some rural areas with their anti-fracking stance. They're using the description "Green Party: Stop Fracking Now" on the ballot papers (in some areas at least).
I think it will help here and there. But, in this round of elections, London offers the best chance of a big vote.
Can see the Milibandwagon's rent proposals going down very well in London no matter if they are any good or not.
That's the thing about Ed (and perhaps Socialism in general) all his proposals sound good until you have the misfortune of actually living through them.
Fortunately we have some experience of socialism in the 1970's and it was complete and total disaster, but given how long ago it was, those that can remember have had their memories dulled with time and of course many millions now have know memory of the three day week, power cut's, winter of discontent, etc...
We know that everything in life is circular and I do get the feeling Brit's are ready to go back to a proper socialist government. What will be interesting (assuming they get their wish) is how long it takes them to get fed up with it.
Can see the Milibandwagon's rent proposals going down very well in London no matter if they are any good or not.
That's the thing about Ed (and perhaps Socialism in general) all his proposals sound good until you have the misfortune of actually living through them.
Fortunately we have some experience of socialism in the 1970's and it was complete and total disaster, but given how long ago it was, those that can remember have had their memories dulled with time and of course many millions now have know memory of the three day week, power cut's, winter of discontent, etc...
We know that everything in life is circular and I do get the feeling Brit's are ready to go back to a proper socialist government. What will be interesting (assuming they get their wish) is how long it takes them to get fed up with it.
I was only 10 or so when they happened but I am pretty sure that the three day week and the power cuts occurred during the time of the Heath government. The strikes you may be referring to that took place throughout the 70s were less about socialism and much more about earning higher salaries and maintaining differentials, neither of which was particularly socialist. And those doing the striking were almost all members of the white working class that so many Tories and UKIPers like to say that Labour has abandoned.
Can see the Milibandwagon's rent proposals going down very well in London no matter if they are any good or not.
That's the thing about Ed (and perhaps Socialism in general) all his proposals sound good until you have the misfortune of actually living through them.
Fortunately we have some experience of socialism in the 1970's and it was complete and total disaster, but given how long ago it was, those that can remember have had their memories dulled with time and of course many millions now have know memory of the three day week, power cut's, winter of discontent, etc...
We know that everything in life is circular and I do get the feeling Brit's are ready to go back to a proper socialist government. What will be interesting (assuming they get their wish) is how long it takes them to get fed up with it.
I was only 10 or so when they happened but I am pretty sure that the three day week and the power cuts occurred during the time of the Heath government. The strikes you may be referring to that took place throughout the 70s were less about socialism and much more about earning higher salaries and maintaining differentials, neither of which was particularly socialist. And those doing the striking were almost all members of the white working class that so many Tories and UKIPers like to say that Labour has abandoned.
Socialism always sounds good, but the problem is that it has never succeeded anywhere, ever.Those who declare that capitalism has failed tend to skirt over the far greater and more catastrophic failures of socialism wherever it has been tried.
Picketty's remedies are just old wine in new bottles.
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is that your admirable prudence in limiting the bet or William Hills ?
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is that your admirable prudence in limiting the bet or William Hills ?
Can see the Milibandwagon's rent proposals going down very well in London no matter if they are any good or not.
That's the thing about Ed (and perhaps Socialism in general) all his proposals sound good until you have the misfortune of actually living through them.
Fortunately we have some experience of socialism in the 1970's and it was complete and total disaster, but given how long ago it was, those that can remember have had their memories dulled with time and of course many millions now have know memory of the three day week, power cut's, winter of discontent, etc...
We know that everything in life is circular and I do get the feeling Brit's are ready to go back to a proper socialist government. What will be interesting (assuming they get their wish) is how long it takes them to get fed up with it.
I was only 10 or so when they happened but I am pretty sure that the three day week and the power cuts occurred during the time of the Heath government. The strikes you may be referring to that took place throughout the 70s were less about socialism and much more about earning higher salaries and maintaining differentials, neither of which was particularly socialist. And those doing the striking were almost all members of the white working class that so many Tories and UKIPers like to say that Labour has abandoned.
Neither capitalism nor communism work all the time. The trick is to work out where each has it's place. (Don't ask the Lib Dems, they are as clueless as the rest)
Can see the Milibandwagon's rent proposals going down very well in London no matter if they are any good or not.
That's the thing about Ed (and perhaps Socialism in general) all his proposals sound good until you have the misfortune of actually living through them.
Fortunately we have some experience of socialism in the 1970's and it was complete and total disaster, but given how long ago it was, those that can remember have had their memories dulled with time and of course many millions now have know memory of the three day week, power cut's, winter of discontent, etc...
We know that everything in life is circular and I do get the feeling Brit's are ready to go back to a proper socialist government. What will be interesting (assuming they get their wish) is how long it takes them to get fed up with it.
I was only 10 or so when they happened but I am pretty sure that the three day week and the power cuts occurred during the time of the Heath government. The strikes you may be referring to that took place throughout the 70s were less about socialism and much more about earning higher salaries and maintaining differentials, neither of which was particularly socialist. And those doing the striking were almost all members of the white working class that so many Tories and UKIPers like to say that Labour has abandoned.
Heath was a socialist.
Yes, he U-turned in the face of union led opposition to a democratically elected government implementing the mandate that the British people had given them, but the Selsdon Park policy document was a forerunner of a lot of what Thatcher subsequently did
Heath was weak and ineffective (and his opponents strong and prepared to push the limits of what should be acceptable in a democratic society) but he wasn't a socialist
What you have all been waiting for,a comparative article on housing policy in Venezuela,showing how successful it was in boosting the economy and reducing poverty.
Socialism always sounds good, but the problem is that it has never succeeded anywhere, ever.Those who declare that capitalism has failed tend to skirt over the far greater and more catastrophic failures of socialism wherever it has been tried.
Picketty's remedies are just old wine in new bottles.
Socialism always sounds good, but the problem is that it has never succeeded anywhere, ever.Those who declare that capitalism has failed tend to skirt over the far greater and more catastrophic failures of socialism wherever it has been tried.
Picketty's remedies are just old wine in new bottles.
Socialism is utopian fantasy. That's why any attempt to introduce it is doomed to fail. And anyone seeking to impose it is immediately destroying any hope that it might work. Capitalism at least has the merit of being based on reality.
Picketty's work is based on an absolute acceptance of capitalism and has nothing to do with socialism whatsoever. In my book, he is spot on to focus on the growing differential between a super elite of wealthy people and corporations and the rest. It's just not sustainable.
Socialism always sounds good, but the problem is that it has never succeeded anywhere, ever.Those who declare that capitalism has failed tend to skirt over the far greater and more catastrophic failures of socialism wherever it has been tried.
Picketty's remedies are just old wine in new bottles.
Socialism is utopian fantasy. That's why any attempt to introduce it is doomed to fail. And anyone seeking to impose it is immediately destroying any hope that it might work. Capitalism at least has the merit of being based on reality.
Picketty's work is based on an absolute acceptance of capitalism and has nothing to do with socialism whatsoever. In my book, he is spot on to focus on the growing differential between a super elite of wealthy people and corporations and the rest. It's just not sustainable.
It's entirely sustainable in an era of world economic growth. Whether it's desirable is a separate question. The standard bien pensant answer is no.
Personally, I think it's entirely the wrong question.
Heath was weak and ineffective (and his opponents strong and prepared to push the limits of what should be acceptable in a democratic society) but he wasn't a socialist
The thing is, it wasn't just Heath: it was the entire political establishment and civil service which had given up. By the time Heath came to be PM, it was actually too late; the intimidation by the unions and the attendant blackmail on wages and on subsidies to duff nationalised industries (themselves very badly run) seemed a completely intractable problem. The time when this could have been addressed without the turmoil of the Thatcher years was much earlier, in Wilson's first government.
Martin Bentham @martinbentham 3m Oxford Migration Observatory finds there are 1.6 million more EU migrants in the UK than Britons living in other EU countries.
Heath was weak and ineffective (and his opponents strong and prepared to push the limits of what should be acceptable in a democratic society) but he wasn't a socialist
The time when this could have been addressed without the turmoil of the Thatcher years was much earlier, in Wilson's first government.
Which Wilson bottled. 'In Place of Strife' became 'Managed Decline' - and it took Thatcher (who could work out the horrors of compounded annual relative decline) to say 'Enough!'
Martin Bentham @martinbentham 3m Oxford Migration Observatory finds there are 1.6 million more EU migrants in the UK than Britons living in other EU countries.
Oh no - we've imported hard working dentists, doctors and builders and exported blonde drug smuggling barmaids and pensioners !
No, The idea of socialism is that co-operation is better than conflict. Most religions espouse it. Unfortunately mankind is to busy grabbing what it can to understand. We are more like chimpanzees than bonobos unfortunately.
Martin Bentham @martinbentham 3m Oxford Migration Observatory finds there are 1.6 million more EU migrants in the UK than Britons living in other EU countries.
Oh no - we've imported hard working dentists, doctors and builders and exported blonde drug smuggling barmaids and pensioners !
It's not like the good old days I tells ya.
Wouldn't know
Rather an extreme position to bracket together all immigrants as good/all Brits as bad.. not very broad minded but there you go
Normally a left wing position to take, but just goes to show UKIP is uniting the old regime!
Heath was weak and ineffective (and his opponents strong and prepared to push the limits of what should be acceptable in a democratic society) but he wasn't a socialist
The thing is, it wasn't just Heath: it was the entire political establishment and civil service which had given up. By the time Heath came to be PM, it was actually too late; the intimidation by the unions and the attendant blackmail on wages and on subsidies to duff nationalised industries (themselves very badly run) seemed a completely intractable problem. The time when this could have been addressed without the turmoil of the Thatcher years was much earlier, in Wilson's first government.
He was PM - he gets the blame. Thacher demonstrated that, with carefully planning and cautious steps, the problem wasn't intractable
He was PM - he gets the blame. Thacher demonstrated that, with carefully planning and cautious steps, the problem wasn't intractable
It was bloody intractable. Don't underestimate the Thatcher miracle; very, very few people at the time believed it to be possible.
And yes, of course Heath gets some of the blame; he was weak and made misjudgements, but he did try to do something about it, as Wilson had before him. What you have to understand, though, is that they didn't have the public's support for the battle; we hadn't, as a country, finally confronted the reality. The entire public mood, and the establishment view, was that we should fudge and hope for the best, that nothing more could be done.
Maggie was able to rescue the country through a mixture of four things, which came together at the same time: her own strength of purpose and moral clarity, the fact that the public had finally, by 1979, got so sick and tired of the wreckers that they were receptive to taking them on, the luck that the Falklands War boosted her position at just the right time, and the fact that she had some really good support from Tebbutt, Keith Joseph and a handful of others.
It was still a close-run thing: there was nothing inevitable about her success, and I don't think it could have been achieved in the period before her premiership, given that the In Place of Strife opportunity had been thrown away.
CourtNewsUK @CourtNewsUK 4m Briscoe a 'compulsive and self-publicising fantasist’ says Chris Huhne. Right back at ya
You know, I think that comment reflects worse on Chris Huhne than it does on Briscoe. He might be right, but sometimes it's better to be silent and reflect on the errors of ones ways.
If he hadn't encouraged his wife to lie about the original speeding offence then none of this would have happened
@State_go_away Managed to get another £50 on now , my Dad had £20 for himself too
Try a betting shop, Pulpy.
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So we finally have an answer to that question about the chicken and the egg.
The chicken came first, then the egg.
They don't like it up 'em Mr Mainwaring.
It must be time for Mr Eagles notorious 'jam joke'.
The election that made me a Tory.
None. It fell down the stairs.
To be honest, I think scores of 36-38% for UKIP are a bit too good to be true. c.30% seems more plausible.
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Nige should've done a Prescott and banged him out!
All three would see PM Nige nailed on ?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27242557
If he had banged the idiot out the boost would be even bigger, so a bit disappointing
Sorry to be pro UKIP, all I did was predict they would do well in the polls etc.. and they have.
I have the betting slips to prove it
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-27242443
Dunno why they would offer him a Nobel prize though....I have been saying the same for years!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygzxl7EjJ7o
Con 4/7 (Lad, PP)
Lab 3/1 (Lad, PP)
UKIP 7/2 (Lad)
LD 200/1 (PP)
Fortunately we have some experience of socialism in the 1970's and it was complete and total disaster, but given how long ago it was, those that can remember have had their memories dulled with time and of course many millions now have know memory of the three day week, power cut's, winter of discontent, etc...
We know that everything in life is circular and I do get the feeling Brit's are ready to go back to a proper socialist government. What will be interesting (assuming they get their wish) is how long it takes them to get fed up with it.
The immigrant egg was up and at work, whilst the British egg was just looking to get laid.
"Heath was a socialist."
Blair was a tory
Picketty's remedies are just old wine in new bottles.
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Neither capitalism nor communism work all the time. The trick is to work out where each has it's place.
(Don't ask the Lib Dems, they are as clueless as the rest)
Heath was weak and ineffective (and his opponents strong and prepared to push the limits of what should be acceptable in a democratic society) but he wasn't a socialist
http://www.theguardian.com/housing-network/2013/jun/06/public-investment-housing-venezuela
Conservatives 19/20
Wonder how much they have taken on that
Wine usually improves with age...
Yes, but only because it seemed the least bad option. (I am of a generation who see voting as an obligation)
Picketty's work is based on an absolute acceptance of capitalism and has nothing to do with socialism whatsoever. In my book, he is spot on to focus on the growing differential between a super elite of wealthy people and corporations and the rest. It's just not sustainable.
Personally, I think it's entirely the wrong question.
ExxonMobil have published their Global Energy Outlook to 2040.
There are some interesting charts on supply and demand, and CO2 production where Asia is romping away.
http://corporate.exxonmobil.com/en/energy/energy-outlook/charts
Isn't the "Big Society" a form of socialism? (whatever happened to that idea?)
Still, it led to Maggie, so he can be proud.
Oxford Migration Observatory finds there are 1.6 million more EU migrants in the UK than Britons living in other EU countries.
More to follow.
Briscoe found guilty. LIAMT said something big would come out of the case, is this it?
It's not like the good old days I tells ya.
No, The idea of socialism is that co-operation is better than conflict. Most religions espouse it.
Unfortunately mankind is to busy grabbing what it can to understand.
We are more like chimpanzees than bonobos unfortunately.
Rather an extreme position to bracket together all immigrants as good/all Brits as bad.. not very broad minded but there you go
Normally a left wing position to take, but just goes to show UKIP is uniting the old regime!
Briscoe a 'compulsive and self-publicising fantasist’ says Chris Huhne. Right back at ya
In a barrister???? surely not....
And yes, of course Heath gets some of the blame; he was weak and made misjudgements, but he did try to do something about it, as Wilson had before him. What you have to understand, though, is that they didn't have the public's support for the battle; we hadn't, as a country, finally confronted the reality. The entire public mood, and the establishment view, was that we should fudge and hope for the best, that nothing more could be done.
Maggie was able to rescue the country through a mixture of four things, which came together at the same time: her own strength of purpose and moral clarity, the fact that the public had finally, by 1979, got so sick and tired of the wreckers that they were receptive to taking them on, the luck that the Falklands War boosted her position at just the right time, and the fact that she had some really good support from Tebbutt, Keith Joseph and a handful of others.
It was still a close-run thing: there was nothing inevitable about her success, and I don't think it could have been achieved in the period before her premiership, given that the In Place of Strife opportunity had been thrown away.
http://news.sky.com/story/1253232/nigel-farage-hit-by-egg-on-campaign-trail
If he hadn't encouraged his wife to lie about the original speeding offence then none of this would have happened
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