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  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,312

    isam said:
    Those regional breakdowns look very strange. UKIP has no real history ion the West Midlands but is polling at over 50%, while in the east Midlands - which is a heartland - it is level pegging with Labour.

    I'd be tempted to answer the question "Do you agree with the statement 'UKIP are a racist party'" with "of course I disagree with it, it's grammatically incorrect".

  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    @Isam

    What's the Atletico/Real rivalry like?? Could be pretty fruity given the game is only over in Lisbon - presumably half of Spain will bomb across the border??
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    BobaFett said:

    Think it's fair to say pretty much the entire world will be rooting for Atletico in the European Cup Final. Real have won it nine times already and are effectively funded by the Spanish government. Atletico fans deserve a medal for supporting the red and whites given the vast wealth and prestige just outside their own backyard

    They were superb tonight.

    I've been a Chelsea fan for over fifty years and I'm sick and tired of Mourinho, I never wanted him back.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Pulpstar said:

    BREAKING NEWS:

    Sinn Féin leader Gerry Adams arrested by Northern Ireland police in connection with 1972 Jean McConville murder

    We could be back to the troubles with this.

  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789

    BobaFett said:

    Think it's fair to say pretty much the entire world will be rooting for Atletico in the European Cup Final. Real have won it nine times already and are effectively funded by the Spanish government. Atletico fans deserve a medal for supporting the red and whites given the vast wealth and prestige just outside their own backyard

    Bob,as a labour supporter,what about lending your vote to ukip for the euro elections ;-)
    Ha ha nice try Tyke, but I like to support the underdog ;-)
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,312
    edited April 2014

    Good evening, everybody.

    Mr. Socrates, that reminds me of ITV News at ten. I could be wrong, but isn't (wasn't, if you like) Mercer a former Conservative MP? Because it reported he still was one.

    he may still not have officially taken up one of the Offices of Profit, so he may technically still be one.

    Although Wikipedia indicates he has indeed been Crown Steward of the three Chiltern Hundreds since yesterday https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Steward_and_Bailiff_of_the_three_Chiltern_Hundreds_of_Stoke,_Desborough_and_Burnham, succeeding Chris Huhne.
  • Life_ina_market_townLife_ina_market_town Posts: 2,319
    edited April 2014

    We could be back to the troubles with this.

    Even if convicted, it is all but certain that he would only serve two years before being released under section 11 of the Northern Ireland (Sentences) Act 1998.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    BobaFett said:

    BobaFett said:

    Think it's fair to say pretty much the entire world will be rooting for Atletico in the European Cup Final. Real have won it nine times already and are effectively funded by the Spanish government. Atletico fans deserve a medal for supporting the red and whites given the vast wealth and prestige just outside their own backyard

    Bob,as a labour supporter,what about lending your vote to ukip for the euro elections ;-)
    Ha ha nice try Tyke, but I like to support the underdog ;-)
    Then you be lending your vote to the tories ;-)

  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789

    BobaFett said:

    Think it's fair to say pretty much the entire world will be rooting for Atletico in the European Cup Final. Real have won it nine times already and are effectively funded by the Spanish government. Atletico fans deserve a medal for supporting the red and whites given the vast wealth and prestige just outside their own backyard

    They were superb tonight.

    I've been a Chelsea fan for over fifty years and I'm sick and tired of Mourinho, I never wanted him back.
    Why not? He could win you the title still. Dull and dour tactics?
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789

    There's a political angle too, Real traditionally being the team of the right and Atletico the left.

    Viva Atletico!!
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514

    We could be back to the troubles with this.

    Even if convicted, it is all but certain that he would only two years before being released under section 11 of the Northern Ireland (Sentences) Act 1998.
    Has he been charged ? Odds are he'll be released and do some electioneering about the brits in the Irish elections.

    http://sluggerotoole.com/2014/04/30/breaking-gerry-adams-arrested-at-meeting-with-the-psni/
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789

    BobaFett said:

    BobaFett said:

    Think it's fair to say pretty much the entire world will be rooting for Atletico in the European Cup Final. Real have won it nine times already and are effectively funded by the Spanish government. Atletico fans deserve a medal for supporting the red and whites given the vast wealth and prestige just outside their own backyard

    Bob,as a labour supporter,what about lending your vote to ukip for the euro elections ;-)
    Ha ha nice try Tyke, but I like to support the underdog ;-)
    Then you be lending your vote to the tories ;-)

    Patriotic Socialist Party ;-)
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514

    BobaFett said:

    BobaFett said:

    Think it's fair to say pretty much the entire world will be rooting for Atletico in the European Cup Final. Real have won it nine times already and are effectively funded by the Spanish government. Atletico fans deserve a medal for supporting the red and whites given the vast wealth and prestige just outside their own backyard

    Bob,as a labour supporter,what about lending your vote to ukip for the euro elections ;-)
    Ha ha nice try Tyke, but I like to support the underdog ;-)
    Then you be lending your vote to the tories ;-)

    Bob;s a big Osborne fan as he's on the side of high tax payers. ;-)
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    I wonder if Uefa are now regretting staging this game on a Saturday night...?
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,668
    BobaFett said:

    @Isam

    What's the Atletico/Real rivalry like?? Could be pretty fruity given the game is only over in Lisbon - presumably half of Spain will bomb across the border??

    It's pretty one sided. Atletico hate Real; but it's not really reciprocated. Real's enemy and obsession is Barcelona. In the same way, Barcelona could not give a monkeys about Espanyol, the other Barcelona team.

    Atletico was always the poor relation, with a stadium by the river in a dodgy part of town. They are actually a spin-off of Athletic Bilbao, which is why they play in the same colour shirts.
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789

    BobaFett said:

    BobaFett said:

    Think it's fair to say pretty much the entire world will be rooting for Atletico in the European Cup Final. Real have won it nine times already and are effectively funded by the Spanish government. Atletico fans deserve a medal for supporting the red and whites given the vast wealth and prestige just outside their own backyard

    Bob,as a labour supporter,what about lending your vote to ukip for the euro elections ;-)
    Ha ha nice try Tyke, but I like to support the underdog ;-)
    Then you be lending your vote to the tories ;-)

    Bob;s a big Osborne fan as he's on the side of high tax payers. ;-)
    LOL - the only people Ozzy is on the side of is the mega rich... Cuts taxes for additional rate earners, screws HR paying family men. One for Avery to explain I guess...
  • Chelsea fans on Radio 5 covering themselves in predictable glory....
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    edited April 2014
    Mildly amused that the list of Paxoed [ahem] interviews manages to go from Howard in 1997 to Chloe Smith in 2012, magically missing out the whole 13 years of Labour government (not watched Newsnight much for years, but Bob Ainsworth got a grilling, I seem to recall):
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27225422

    Edited extra bit: 5 interviews, 3 against Conservatives (Howard, Smith, Hague) 1 against Conrad Black and 1 against Russell Brand.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,668

    BobaFett said:

    Think it's fair to say pretty much the entire world will be rooting for Atletico in the European Cup Final. Real have won it nine times already and are effectively funded by the Spanish government. Atletico fans deserve a medal for supporting the red and whites given the vast wealth and prestige just outside their own backyard

    They were superb tonight.

    I've been a Chelsea fan for over fifty years and I'm sick and tired of Mourinho, I never wanted him back.

    How can any Chelsea fan be sick of Mourinho?

  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    BobaFett said:

    BobaFett said:

    BobaFett said:

    Think it's fair to say pretty much the entire world will be rooting for Atletico in the European Cup Final. Real have won it nine times already and are effectively funded by the Spanish government. Atletico fans deserve a medal for supporting the red and whites given the vast wealth and prestige just outside their own backyard

    Bob,as a labour supporter,what about lending your vote to ukip for the euro elections ;-)
    Ha ha nice try Tyke, but I like to support the underdog ;-)
    Then you be lending your vote to the tories ;-)

    Bob;s a big Osborne fan as he's on the side of high tax payers. ;-)
    LOL - the only people Ozzy is on the side of is the mega rich... Cuts taxes for additional rate earners, screws HR paying family men. One for Avery to explain I guess...
    Bob you are mega rich - your hair cut alone could buy two houses in bumpkinland.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB

    Tonight's YouGov/Sun poll
    CON 31
    LAB 37
    LD 9
    Ukip 15

  • Has he been charged ? Odds are he'll be released and do some electioneering about the brits in the Irish elections.

    No, he has not been charged. I was merely pointing out that the potential consequences are not especially severe.
  • Will be great to see the Spurs Alumni in the CL final... come on Gareth and Luca...

    I'll take glory by any tenuous link to the Lane.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Ed Miliband ✔ @Ed_Miliband

    Nigel Farage's policies towards working people are more Thatcherite than Lady Thatcher herself. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ed-miliband-vote-ukip-vote-3476030

    Labour party in a panic and the clown speaks ;-)
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789

    BobaFett said:

    BobaFett said:

    BobaFett said:

    Think it's fair to say pretty much the entire world will be rooting for Atletico in the European Cup Final. Real have won it nine times already and are effectively funded by the Spanish government. Atletico fans deserve a medal for supporting the red and whites given the vast wealth and prestige just outside their own backyard

    Bob,as a labour supporter,what about lending your vote to ukip for the euro elections ;-)
    Ha ha nice try Tyke, but I like to support the underdog ;-)
    Then you be lending your vote to the tories ;-)

    Bob;s a big Osborne fan as he's on the side of high tax payers. ;-)
    LOL - the only people Ozzy is on the side of is the mega rich... Cuts taxes for additional rate earners, screws HR paying family men. One for Avery to explain I guess...
    Bob you are mega rich - your hair cut alone could buy two houses in bumpkinland.
    We'd better not mention the haircut - I got sneered at by The Watcher this morning which is never an enjoyable experience
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,507
    edited April 2014


    Ed Miliband ✔ @Ed_Miliband

    Nigel Farage's policies towards working people are more Thatcherite than Lady Thatcher herself. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ed-miliband-vote-ukip-vote-3476030

    Labour party in a panic and the clown speaks ;-)

    Not sure that is a good line for Ed, as a lot of "hard working" folk voted for Thatcher...The sort of people Cameron just can't convince to get to vote for him.

    I think that attack line says more about Ed than UKIP / Farage. In Ed's world everything Thatcher related is evil, in the real world the picture is less cut and dry.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033
    BobaFett said:

    BobaFett said:

    BobaFett said:

    BobaFett said:

    Think it's fair to say pretty much the entire world will be rooting for Atletico in the European Cup Final. Real have won it nine times already and are effectively funded by the Spanish government. Atletico fans deserve a medal for supporting the red and whites given the vast wealth and prestige just outside their own backyard

    Bob,as a labour supporter,what about lending your vote to ukip for the euro elections ;-)
    Ha ha nice try Tyke, but I like to support the underdog ;-)
    Then you be lending your vote to the tories ;-)

    Bob;s a big Osborne fan as he's on the side of high tax payers. ;-)
    LOL - the only people Ozzy is on the side of is the mega rich... Cuts taxes for additional rate earners, screws HR paying family men. One for Avery to explain I guess...
    Bob you are mega rich - your hair cut alone could buy two houses in bumpkinland.
    We'd better not mention the haircut - I got sneered at by The Watcher this morning which is never an enjoyable experience
    Pics pls. :')
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789

    BobaFett said:

    @Isam

    What's the Atletico/Real rivalry like?? Could be pretty fruity given the game is only over in Lisbon - presumably half of Spain will bomb across the border??

    It's pretty one sided. Atletico hate Real; but it's not really reciprocated. Real's enemy and obsession is Barcelona. In the same way, Barcelona could not give a monkeys about Espanyol, the other Barcelona team.

    Atletico was always the poor relation, with a stadium by the river in a dodgy part of town. They are actually a spin-off of Athletic Bilbao, which is why they play in the same colour shirts.
    I can imagine Atletico hate that. Let's hope they stuff Real in the final. Might make the Whites change their view ;-)
  • LennonLennon Posts: 1,782

    Good evening, everybody.

    Mr. Socrates, that reminds me of ITV News at ten. I could be wrong, but isn't (wasn't, if you like) Mercer a former Conservative MP? Because it reported he still was one.

    he may still not have officially taken up one of the Offices of Profit, so he may technically still be one.

    Although Wikipedia indicates he has indeed been Crown Steward of the three Chiltern Hundreds since yesterday https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Steward_and_Bailiff_of_the_three_Chiltern_Hundreds_of_Stoke,_Desborough_and_Burnham, succeeding Chris Huhne.
    According to the Press Release from HM Treasury - he was appointed this morning.

    http://www.hmtreasury.presscentre.com/Press-Releases/Three-Hundreds-of-Chiltern-69b4c.aspx
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800

    BobaFett said:

    Think it's fair to say pretty much the entire world will be rooting for Atletico in the European Cup Final. Real have won it nine times already and are effectively funded by the Spanish government. Atletico fans deserve a medal for supporting the red and whites given the vast wealth and prestige just outside their own backyard

    They were superb tonight.

    I've been a Chelsea fan for over fifty years and I'm sick and tired of Mourinho, I never wanted him back.

    How can any Chelsea fan be sick of Mourinho?

    I was sick of him and his childish tantrums the first time he was here.

    My main issue is that he will never give the kids a chance, he'd rather by a rubbish player from abroad than trust his young players" that's how we end up with Eto'o and give Lukaku to Everton.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Ed Miliband launches election campaign with rents pledge

    http://press.labour.org.uk/post/84352297129/ed-miliband-launches-election-campaign-with-rents


    George Eaton @georgeeaton

    Three big pledges from Miliband: 1. Cap on rent rises 2. Three year tenancies 3. Ban on letting agent fees http://bit.ly/1jj1hMP

  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,668


    Ed Miliband ✔ @Ed_Miliband

    Nigel Farage's policies towards working people are more Thatcherite than Lady Thatcher herself. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ed-miliband-vote-ukip-vote-3476030

    Labour party in a panic and the clown speaks ;-)

    That's the way to attack UKIP from a Labour perspective though. Forget about the stupid racism accusations and go to the heart of the neo-liberal economic policies that UKIP's leadership believes in.

  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    RobD said:

    BobaFett said:

    BobaFett said:

    BobaFett said:

    BobaFett said:

    Think it's fair to say pretty much the entire world will be rooting for Atletico in the European Cup Final. Real have won it nine times already and are effectively funded by the Spanish government. Atletico fans deserve a medal for supporting the red and whites given the vast wealth and prestige just outside their own backyard

    Bob,as a labour supporter,what about lending your vote to ukip for the euro elections ;-)
    Ha ha nice try Tyke, but I like to support the underdog ;-)
    Then you be lending your vote to the tories ;-)

    Bob;s a big Osborne fan as he's on the side of high tax payers. ;-)
    LOL - the only people Ozzy is on the side of is the mega rich... Cuts taxes for additional rate earners, screws HR paying family men. One for Avery to explain I guess...
    Bob you are mega rich - your hair cut alone could buy two houses in bumpkinland.
    We'd better not mention the haircut - I got sneered at by The Watcher this morning which is never an enjoyable experience
    Pics pls. :')
    Just for you

    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/breakingnews/offbeat/osborne-my-new-haircut-a-coverup-29625376.html
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033
    BobaFett said:

    RobD said:

    BobaFett said:

    BobaFett said:

    BobaFett said:

    BobaFett said:

    Think it's fair to say pretty much the entire world will be rooting for Atletico in the European Cup Final. Real have won it nine times already and are effectively funded by the Spanish government. Atletico fans deserve a medal for supporting the red and whites given the vast wealth and prestige just outside their own backyard

    Bob,as a labour supporter,what about lending your vote to ukip for the euro elections ;-)
    Ha ha nice try Tyke, but I like to support the underdog ;-)
    Then you be lending your vote to the tories ;-)

    Bob;s a big Osborne fan as he's on the side of high tax payers. ;-)
    LOL - the only people Ozzy is on the side of is the mega rich... Cuts taxes for additional rate earners, screws HR paying family men. One for Avery to explain I guess...
    Bob you are mega rich - your hair cut alone could buy two houses in bumpkinland.
    We'd better not mention the haircut - I got sneered at by The Watcher this morning which is never an enjoyable experience
    Pics pls. :')
    Just for you

    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/breakingnews/offbeat/osborne-my-new-haircut-a-coverup-29625376.html
    Majestic
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,668
    BobaFett said:

    BobaFett said:

    @Isam

    What's the Atletico/Real rivalry like?? Could be pretty fruity given the game is only over in Lisbon - presumably half of Spain will bomb across the border??

    It's pretty one sided. Atletico hate Real; but it's not really reciprocated. Real's enemy and obsession is Barcelona. In the same way, Barcelona could not give a monkeys about Espanyol, the other Barcelona team.

    Atletico was always the poor relation, with a stadium by the river in a dodgy part of town. They are actually a spin-off of Athletic Bilbao, which is why they play in the same colour shirts.
    I can imagine Atletico hate that. Let's hope they stuff Real in the final. Might make the Whites change their view ;-)

    Real have beaten them a couple of times already this season. They seem to the be the only ones that can put Atletico on the back foot. A final in Lisbon is made for Ronaldo. But here's hoping. Visca Atleti.

    Probably the most important thing about Atletico, though, is that they were the side beaten (5-1) in the final by the first British club to win a major European trophy.

  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789


    Ed Miliband ✔ @Ed_Miliband

    Nigel Farage's policies towards working people are more Thatcherite than Lady Thatcher herself. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ed-miliband-vote-ukip-vote-3476030

    Labour party in a panic and the clown speaks ;-)

    That's the way to attack UKIP from a Labour perspective though. Forget about the stupid racism accusations and go to the heart of the neo-liberal economic policies that UKIP's leadership believes in.

    Yup. Nice line from Ed. Tyke will be voting Labour shortly, he has already shown signs of turning... ;-)
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,668


    Ed Miliband ✔ @Ed_Miliband

    Nigel Farage's policies towards working people are more Thatcherite than Lady Thatcher herself. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ed-miliband-vote-ukip-vote-3476030

    Labour party in a panic and the clown speaks ;-)

    Not sure that is a good line for Ed, as a lot of "hard working" folk voted for Thatcher...The sort of people Cameron just can't convince to get to vote for him.

    I think that attack line says more about Ed than UKIP / Farage. In Ed's world everything Thatcher related is evil, in the real world the picture is less cut and dry.

    It's a good line for Labour-inclined voters in traditional Labour seats. Probably much more effective for the GE than for the EU elections though.

  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    Great move from Labour on banning rent fees - massive scam been going on for years.
    Lab on the move tonight ?
    Another decent YouGov too...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,507
    edited April 2014


    Ed Miliband ✔ @Ed_Miliband

    Nigel Farage's policies towards working people are more Thatcherite than Lady Thatcher herself. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ed-miliband-vote-ukip-vote-3476030

    Labour party in a panic and the clown speaks ;-)

    Not sure that is a good line for Ed, as a lot of "hard working" folk voted for Thatcher...The sort of people Cameron just can't convince to get to vote for him.

    I think that attack line says more about Ed than UKIP / Farage. In Ed's world everything Thatcher related is evil, in the real world the picture is less cut and dry.

    It's a good line for Labour-inclined voters in traditional Labour seats. Probably much more effective for the GE than for the EU elections though.

    Maybe, if you are going for the 35% strategy and preaching to the converted. Not exactly trying to attract the aspirational types that Thatcher, then Blair managed to get and Cameron fails miserably with. One nation and all that.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362


    Ed Miliband ✔ @Ed_Miliband

    Nigel Farage's policies towards working people are more Thatcherite than Lady Thatcher herself. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ed-miliband-vote-ukip-vote-3476030

    Labour party in a panic and the clown speaks ;-)

    Not sure that is a good line for Ed, as a lot of "hard working" folk voted for Thatcher...The sort of people Cameron just can't convince to get to vote for him.

    I think that attack line says more about Ed than UKIP / Farage. In Ed's world everything Thatcher related is evil, in the real world the picture is less cut and dry.

    It's a good line for Labour-inclined voters in traditional Labour seats. Probably much more effective for the GE than for the EU elections though.

    I agree with you on this.

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    According to the Daily Mail graph, UKIP are heading for 40% in Greater London. I think it must have been a mistake; can't believe they're really that high in the capital.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,668


    Ed Miliband ✔ @Ed_Miliband

    Nigel Farage's policies towards working people are more Thatcherite than Lady Thatcher herself. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ed-miliband-vote-ukip-vote-3476030

    Labour party in a panic and the clown speaks ;-)

    Not sure that is a good line for Ed, as a lot of "hard working" folk voted for Thatcher...The sort of people Cameron just can't convince to get to vote for him.

    I think that attack line says more about Ed than UKIP / Farage. In Ed's world everything Thatcher related is evil, in the real world the picture is less cut and dry.

    It's a good line for Labour-inclined voters in traditional Labour seats. Probably much more effective for the GE than for the EU elections though.

    Maybe, if you are going for the 35% strategy and preaching to the converted. Not exactly trying to attract the inspirational types that Thatcher, then Blair managed to get and Cameron fails miserably with.

    True enough. Labour does not do aspiration these days, which is a great shame.

  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Telegraph : Labour to cap rents on buy to let homes.....
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    AndyJS said:

    According to the Daily Mail graph, UKIP are heading for 40% in Greater London. I think it must have been a mistake; can't believe they're really that high in the capital.

    No chance down here. Probably the least fertile place in the UK for the kippers. Soft liberal left and pro Europe.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118


    Ed Miliband ✔ @Ed_Miliband

    Nigel Farage's policies towards working people are more Thatcherite than Lady Thatcher herself. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ed-miliband-vote-ukip-vote-3476030

    Labour party in a panic and the clown speaks ;-)

    Not sure that is a good line for Ed, as a lot of "hard working" folk voted for Thatcher...The sort of people Cameron just can't convince to get to vote for him.

    I think that attack line says more about Ed than UKIP / Farage. In Ed's world everything Thatcher related is evil, in the real world the picture is less cut and dry.
    Hard to say for me as I come from an extremely Thatcherite area.... but it's full of working class people that voted for Thatcher.

    I don't suppose Ed is targeting the Essex/London borders in particular mind you
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033
    TGOHF said:

    Telegraph : Labour to cap rents on buy to let homes.....

    Aren't all rental properties, by definition, buy-to-let.
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    RobD said:

    BobaFett said:

    RobD said:

    BobaFett said:

    BobaFett said:

    BobaFett said:

    BobaFett said:

    Think it's fair to say pretty much the entire world will be rooting for Atletico in the European Cup Final. Real have won it nine times already and are effectively funded by the Spanish government. Atletico fans deserve a medal for supporting the red and whites given the vast wealth and prestige just outside their own backyard

    Bob,as a labour supporter,what about lending your vote to ukip for the euro elections ;-)
    Ha ha nice try Tyke, but I like to support the underdog ;-)
    Then you be lending your vote to the tories ;-)

    Bob;s a big Osborne fan as he's on the side of high tax payers. ;-)
    LOL - the only people Ozzy is on the side of is the mega rich... Cuts taxes for additional rate earners, screws HR paying family men. One for Avery to explain I guess...
    Bob you are mega rich - your hair cut alone could buy two houses in bumpkinland.
    We'd better not mention the haircut - I got sneered at by The Watcher this morning which is never an enjoyable experience
    Pics pls. :')
    Just for you

    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/breakingnews/offbeat/osborne-my-new-haircut-a-coverup-29625376.html
    Majestic
    Cheap at twice the price I thought
  • TGOHF said:

    Telegraph : Labour to cap rents on buy to let homes.....

    fortunate timing, there's hardly any news at the moment elsewhere ...
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Labour wants to introduce the one policy guaranteed to make the housing crisis worse

    http://www.cityam.com/blog/1398875118/labour-wants-introduce-one-policy-guaranteed-make-housing-crisis-worse
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464
    edited April 2014
    BobaFett said:

    Great move from Labour on banning rent fees - massive scam been going on for years.
    Lab on the move tonight ?
    Another decent YouGov too...

    Their outline policy sounds reasonable enough, but the devil is always in the detail isn't it? There is also the cast iron rule: limit price and you will curtail supply. Doesn't matter whether it's flats in Brent or bog rolls in Venezuela you cannot buck the market ultimately without consequences.

    As I say seems reasonable what they are outlining, but I've been the victim of well intentioned unintended consequences when it comes to Labour legislation so I remain constructively skeptical shall we say.
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789


    Ed Miliband ✔ @Ed_Miliband

    Nigel Farage's policies towards working people are more Thatcherite than Lady Thatcher herself. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ed-miliband-vote-ukip-vote-3476030

    Labour party in a panic and the clown speaks ;-)

    Not sure that is a good line for Ed, as a lot of "hard working" folk voted for Thatcher...The sort of people Cameron just can't convince to get to vote for him.

    I think that attack line says more about Ed than UKIP / Farage. In Ed's world everything Thatcher related is evil, in the real world the picture is less cut and dry.

    It's a good line for Labour-inclined voters in traditional Labour seats. Probably much more effective for the GE than for the EU elections though.

    Useful in shoring up votes in London where people rely on public services, decent line for the locals.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    At the launch of Labour's election campaign in Redbridge, Miliband is expected to say that "the next Labour government will legislate to make three year tenancies the standard in the British private rented sector".
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    BBC straw poll in Stevenage - area went Tory in 80s. Not encouraging for him?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27202421
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    AndyJS said:

    According to the Daily Mail graph, UKIP are heading for 40% in Greater London. I think it must have been a mistake; can't believe they're really that high in the capital.

    Greater London, zones 4-6 I can well believe it.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033
    BobaFett said:



    Cheap at twice the price I thought

    Am sorry about your baldness, though ;-)

  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Surely landlords will just hike rents to cover.

    Ed is a pillock.
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    Presumably Ed's move on rents will be deemed Marxist for four months, and then the government will copy it.
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    isam said:

    AndyJS said:

    According to the Daily Mail graph, UKIP are heading for 40% in Greater London. I think it must have been a mistake; can't believe they're really that high in the capital.

    Greater London, zones 4-6 I can well believe it.
    If it's just outer London then possibly true, all London no chance.
  • TGOHF said:

    At the launch of Labour's election campaign in Redbridge, Miliband is expected to say that "the next Labour government will legislate to make three year tenancies the standard in the British private rented sector".

    This will be interesting for the BTL mortgage sector where AST's are required and are typically 6 to 12 months.... if a tenant has a 3 year tenancy, the lender might not be able to take the property back if the owner defaults.... could have serious impact on BTL mortgage market perhaps? But more a legal matter than my area, so welcome experts views on this?
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300

    Mildly amused that the list of Paxoed [ahem] interviews manages to go from Howard in 1997 to Chloe Smith in 2012, magically missing out the whole 13 years of Labour government (not watched Newsnight much for years, but Bob Ainsworth got a grilling, I seem to recall):
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27225422

    Edited extra bit: 5 interviews, 3 against Conservatives (Howard, Smith, Hague) 1 against Conrad Black and 1 against Russell Brand.

    Did Paxman ever grill Brown or Blair, or did Campbell and other minders keep them away from him? I can't think of a time when either was really put under pressure. Brown ought to have been given less of a free ride, it is still hard to understand how such a flawed character held office for so long.

  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    http://www.adamsmith.org/news/press-releases/comment-on-labours-election-pledge-rent-controls-are-flat-earth-economics

    "Labour’s announcement that it will impose rent and tenancy controls is one of the worst policy decisions in the history of modern British politics. It goes against one of the only true consensuses that exists among professional economists. No doubt with the best of intentions, Labour has unwittingly announced a policy that would devastate Britain’s cities by creating massive slums and exacerbate the housing crisis.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    BobaFett said:

    Presumably Ed's move on rents will be deemed Marxist for four months, and then the government will copy it.

    It's as good a way as any to deter property owners from letting.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    "Rent control is a stunningly bad idea that could devastate Britain’s cities and clobber renters. To paraphrase the socialist economist Assar Lindbeck: the only thing worse for cities than rent control is bombing them."
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464
    BobaFett said:

    Presumably Ed's move on rents will be deemed Marxist for four months, and then the government will copy it.

    Thing is it's part of the subliminal message I get personally from Ed which is he thinks ( so it seems to me) that profit implies someone has " lost " somehow that there is a "victim" of profit, rather than that's the thing that creates the good or service in the first place.

    This worries me.

  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    To be honest, the rental market has been a shambles for years - short term unstable tenancies, outrageous fees from agents for doing the square root of f-all, stolen deposits. It is high time it was better regulated. If the Tories want to fight on the sides of landlords, I doubt many at Labour HQ will shed a tear. Great, great move by Ed.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,507
    dr_spyn said:

    Mildly amused that the list of Paxoed [ahem] interviews manages to go from Howard in 1997 to Chloe Smith in 2012, magically missing out the whole 13 years of Labour government (not watched Newsnight much for years, but Bob Ainsworth got a grilling, I seem to recall):
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27225422

    Edited extra bit: 5 interviews, 3 against Conservatives (Howard, Smith, Hague) 1 against Conrad Black and 1 against Russell Brand.

    Did Paxman ever grill Brown or Blair, or did Campbell and other minders keep them away from him? I can't think of a time when either was really put under pressure. Brown ought to have been given less of a free ride, it is still hard to understand how such a flawed character held office for so long.

    Search youtube and you will find he did.
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    The news about Adams is fact at last over-ruling arseholes in the NIO and Downing Street.

    It is on public record by a number of Provo's at the time regarding his involvement. His protection has been at the behest of London. Don't forget the last government quite happily interfered in policing matters requesting release of arrested Provo's after Dear Leader Gerry phoned Uncle Tony.

    The detectives doing this know what happened but the rocks under which they are looking have London politicians suggesting it might not be a good idea.

    Yes, odds are he'll be released but, political machinations aside, I can tell you now that they haven't called him in for fun. They information is good.

    Ironically if Gerry had still been stroking his beard up in Stormont this might have been harder to do.



  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,457
    BobaFett said:

    Presumably Ed's move on rents will be deemed Marxist for four months, and then the government will copy it.

    Presumably you realise what the coalition did with energy bills was not the same as the insane scheme Miliband had plucked out of his posterior?

    As for this scheme: it's interesting. Although we now own a house (yay!), we'd rented for years, moving frequently. The one time we were really mucked about was when a landlord wanted the house back after six months when he wanted to move his family in. We had rented on the understanding that it was a long-term let, but were powerless. It was annoying, but we still had loads of relocation budget left, so it wasn't as bad as it would have been for some people.

    But it doesn't look as if this would address that.

    The devil will be in the details ...
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    BobaFett said:

    To be honest, the rental market has been a shambles for years - short term unstable tenancies, outrageous fees from agents for doing the square root of f-all, stolen deposits. It is high time it was better regulated. If the Tories want to fight on the sides of landlords, I doubt many at Labour HQ will shed a tear. Great, great move by Ed.

    It's good politics and terrible economics.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033
    Smarmeron said:
    Utterly insane idea. How exactly would it be enforced.
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704

    TGOHF said:

    At the launch of Labour's election campaign in Redbridge, Miliband is expected to say that "the next Labour government will legislate to make three year tenancies the standard in the British private rented sector".

    This will be interesting for the BTL mortgage sector where AST's are required and are typically 6 to 12 months.... if a tenant has a 3 year tenancy, the lender might not be able to take the property back if the owner defaults.... could have serious impact on BTL mortgage market perhaps? But more a legal matter than my area, so welcome experts views on this?
    Isn't the best rent control to build more homes?
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800

    Labour wants to introduce the one policy guaranteed to make the housing crisis worse

    http://www.cityam.com/blog/1398875118/labour-wants-introduce-one-policy-guaranteed-make-housing-crisis-worse

    Good old Ed, you can guarantee that whatever crackpot policy he comes up with has not been thought through.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    antifrank said:

    BobaFett said:

    To be honest, the rental market has been a shambles for years - short term unstable tenancies, outrageous fees from agents for doing the square root of f-all, stolen deposits. It is high time it was better regulated. If the Tories want to fight on the sides of landlords, I doubt many at Labour HQ will shed a tear. Great, great move by Ed.

    It's good politics and terrible economics.
    All part of Ed's moon on a stick manifesto...
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464
    edited April 2014
    BobaFett said:

    To be honest, the rental market has been a shambles for years - short term unstable tenancies, outrageous fees from agents for doing the square root of f-all, stolen deposits. It is high time it was better regulated. If the Tories want to fight on the sides of landlords, I doubt many at Labour HQ will shed a tear. Great, great move by Ed.

    There are social issues to be addressed sure, such as families with kids in school having little security of long term tenure.. But you've got to be careful it's not cack handed regulation ( and Labour has serious form ) that just ends up buggering things up and reducing supply which would make matters worse, no matter how much it warms the hearts of Ed's base. Renters won't thank him if supply melts away.....
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    antifrank said:

    BobaFett said:

    To be honest, the rental market has been a shambles for years - short term unstable tenancies, outrageous fees from agents for doing the square root of f-all, stolen deposits. It is high time it was better regulated. If the Tories want to fight on the sides of landlords, I doubt many at Labour HQ will shed a tear. Great, great move by Ed.

    It's good politics and terrible economics.
    The market has been a laughing stock for years - woefully under-regulated compared to other industries despite the fact we are dealing with people's homes. You are clearly a good, decent man but remember that many landlords are not like you. Entire postcodes of northern cities - eg Leeds 6 - have been turned over to slum housing by landlords who are getting away with blue murder.
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @Bobafett

    'Presumably Ed's move on rents will be deemed Marxist for four months, and then the government will copy it.'

    Back to the 70's with Ed,guaranteed to make a difficult situation even worse.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,457
    There are problems in the rental market. Although I've rented a lot, I'm not really that knowledgeable about them from either side. We rented towards the mid-level, tried to be good tenants, and had no trouble paying on time. And we've never been a landlord.

    I get the feeling the real problems are at the very low end of the rental market, although that's just a supposition.

    As usual, it'd be good to know exactly what problems these changes will be trying to fix. It seems that unreasonable rent increases mid-term is one; security of tenure for tenant another.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Fraser Nelson @FraserNelson

    RT@labourpress: More about Labour's sweeping reforms of rented housing http://flip.it/UP11y >> don't read before bedtime. It's terrifying.

  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    BobaFett said:

    antifrank said:

    BobaFett said:

    To be honest, the rental market has been a shambles for years - short term unstable tenancies, outrageous fees from agents for doing the square root of f-all, stolen deposits. It is high time it was better regulated. If the Tories want to fight on the sides of landlords, I doubt many at Labour HQ will shed a tear. Great, great move by Ed.

    It's good politics and terrible economics.
    The market has been a laughing stock for years - woefully under-regulated compared to other industries despite the fact we are dealing with people's homes. You are clearly a good, decent man but remember that many landlords are not like you. Entire postcodes of northern cities - eg Leeds 6 - have been turned over to slum housing by landlords who are getting away with blue murder.
    If you make renting out properties less attractive, fewer people will rent out their properties. This is not complicated.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,046
    All it needs is for the public to be reminded of the various MPs who rent for this to backfire.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,457
    BobaFett said:

    antifrank said:

    BobaFett said:

    To be honest, the rental market has been a shambles for years - short term unstable tenancies, outrageous fees from agents for doing the square root of f-all, stolen deposits. It is high time it was better regulated. If the Tories want to fight on the sides of landlords, I doubt many at Labour HQ will shed a tear. Great, great move by Ed.

    It's good politics and terrible economics.
    The market has been a laughing stock for years - woefully under-regulated compared to other industries despite the fact we are dealing with people's homes. You are clearly a good, decent man but remember that many landlords are not like you. Entire postcodes of northern cities - eg Leeds 6 - have been turned over to slum housing by landlords who are getting away with blue murder.
    Entire postcodes of northern cities were demolished by Prescott's insane £2.2bn Pathfinder scheme and were never rebuilt.

    http://moneyweek.com/how-john-prescott-wasted-22bn/
    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2007/nov/09/comment.housing
    http://www.savebritainsheritage.org/news/campaign.php?id=191

    But Labour would rather forget about that idiocy.
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    antifrank said:

    BobaFett said:

    antifrank said:

    BobaFett said:

    To be honest, the rental market has been a shambles for years - short term unstable tenancies, outrageous fees from agents for doing the square root of f-all, stolen deposits. It is high time it was better regulated. If the Tories want to fight on the sides of landlords, I doubt many at Labour HQ will shed a tear. Great, great move by Ed.

    It's good politics and terrible economics.
    The market has been a laughing stock for years - woefully under-regulated compared to other industries despite the fact we are dealing with people's homes. You are clearly a good, decent man but remember that many landlords are not like you. Entire postcodes of northern cities - eg Leeds 6 - have been turned over to slum housing by landlords who are getting away with blue murder.
    If you make renting out properties less attractive, fewer people will rent out their properties. This is not complicated.
    What other use for endless terraces in northern cities do you suggest? Presumably the existing legislation is exactly what the market will bear and any more regulation will lead to a cut in supply?

    Sounds remarkably familiar.
  • IOSIOS Posts: 1,450
    Antifrank

    Forget the economics of this. This will be a huge vote winner amongst a key demographic.
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464
    edited April 2014
    philiph said:

    TGOHF said:

    At the launch of Labour's election campaign in Redbridge, Miliband is expected to say that "the next Labour government will legislate to make three year tenancies the standard in the British private rented sector".

    This will be interesting for the BTL mortgage sector where AST's are required and are typically 6 to 12 months.... if a tenant has a 3 year tenancy, the lender might not be able to take the property back if the owner defaults.... could have serious impact on BTL mortgage market perhaps? But more a legal matter than my area, so welcome experts views on this?
    Isn't the best rent control to build more homes?
    Yes. Long term. But there's a raft of planning regs and NIMBYISM to overcome.
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    john_zims said:

    @Bobafett

    'Presumably Ed's move on rents will be deemed Marxist for four months, and then the government will copy it.'

    Back to the 70's with Ed,guaranteed to make a difficult situation even worse.

    As I say. We'll see. Most likely the PB Rebuttal shift will go into overdrive for a few months, then the government will adopt the measure.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    IOS said:

    Antifrank

    Forget the economics of this. This will be a huge vote winner amongst a key demographic.

    Your proberly right.
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    welshowl said:

    BobaFett said:

    To be honest, the rental market has been a shambles for years - short term unstable tenancies, outrageous fees from agents for doing the square root of f-all, stolen deposits. It is high time it was better regulated. If the Tories want to fight on the sides of landlords, I doubt many at Labour HQ will shed a tear. Great, great move by Ed.

    There are social issues to be addressed sure, such as families with kids in school having little security of long term tenure.. But you've got to be careful it's not cack handed regulation ( and Labour has serious form ) that just ends up buggering things up and reducing supply which would make matters worse, no matter how much it warms the hearts of Ed's base. Renters won't thank him if supply melts away.....
    Decent landlords have nothing to fear from these measures. Rogue landlords do.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    BobaFett said:

    antifrank said:

    BobaFett said:

    antifrank said:

    BobaFett said:

    To be honest, the rental market has been a shambles for years - short term unstable tenancies, outrageous fees from agents for doing the square root of f-all, stolen deposits. It is high time it was better regulated. If the Tories want to fight on the sides of landlords, I doubt many at Labour HQ will shed a tear. Great, great move by Ed.

    It's good politics and terrible economics.
    The market has been a laughing stock for years - woefully under-regulated compared to other industries despite the fact we are dealing with people's homes. You are clearly a good, decent man but remember that many landlords are not like you. Entire postcodes of northern cities - eg Leeds 6 - have been turned over to slum housing by landlords who are getting away with blue murder.
    If you make renting out properties less attractive, fewer people will rent out their properties. This is not complicated.
    What other use for endless terraces in northern cities do you suggest? Presumably the existing legislation is exactly what the market will bear and any more regulation will lead to a cut in supply?

    Sounds remarkably familiar.
    When rents in London go through the roof and tenants are locked into three year contracts in areas they don't really want to live in because they can't get anywhere else, this isn't going to look so clever. The only longterm solution is to build more properties.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    IOS said:

    Antifrank

    Forget the economics of this. This will be a huge vote winner amongst a key demographic.

    Only if you think the voters are simple.
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    RobD said:

    Smarmeron said:
    Utterly insane idea. How exactly would it be enforced.
    As it's Katie Hopkins suggesting it insane would be an entirely appropriate term...
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    IOS said:

    Antifrank

    Forget the economics of this. This will be a huge vote winner amongst a key demographic.

    My first comment was that this was good politics. Do keep up.
  • IOSIOS Posts: 1,450
    Tyke

    Lots of marginal London seats have stacks of young professionals that this will appeal to. Its a clear and easy message to remember as well. Vote Labour and be done with £1000 fee's everytime you move....
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,457
    BobaFett said:

    antifrank said:

    BobaFett said:

    antifrank said:

    BobaFett said:

    To be honest, the rental market has been a shambles for years - short term unstable tenancies, outrageous fees from agents for doing the square root of f-all, stolen deposits. It is high time it was better regulated. If the Tories want to fight on the sides of landlords, I doubt many at Labour HQ will shed a tear. Great, great move by Ed.

    It's good politics and terrible economics.
    The market has been a laughing stock for years - woefully under-regulated compared to other industries despite the fact we are dealing with people's homes. You are clearly a good, decent man but remember that many landlords are not like you. Entire postcodes of northern cities - eg Leeds 6 - have been turned over to slum housing by landlords who are getting away with blue murder.
    If you make renting out properties less attractive, fewer people will rent out their properties. This is not complicated.
    What other use for endless terraces in northern cities do you suggest? Presumably the existing legislation is exactly what the market will bear and any more regulation will lead to a cut in supply?

    Sounds remarkably familiar.
    I've never seen an endless terrace. Does it end at the coast, or does it continue under the sea (the rents must be fairly low there, surely?) Or is it a terrace-circle (therefore with no end) or, more daringly, a Möbius strip of terraced houses?
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464
    IOS said:

    Antifrank

    Forget the economics of this. This will be a huge vote winner amongst a key demographic.

    Indeed, but the economics will not go away if it's handled badly. It will still bite Ed in the bum from 2016 on.
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    IOS said:

    Antifrank

    Forget the economics of this. This will be a huge vote winner amongst a key demographic.

    Jolly good, a vote winner.

    Much more important than the economics.

    That gives the impression that you think as long as it garners votes it is good even if it is damaging in every other way.

    Oh! It's Labour. That is the way they work, apparently.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    IOS said:

    Tyke

    Lots of marginal London seats have stacks of young professionals that this will appeal to. Its a clear and easy message to remember as well. Vote Labour and be done with £1000 fee's everytime you move....

    But add 300 a month as the cost of btl lending has rocketed.
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    IOS said:

    Tyke

    Lots of marginal London seats have stacks of young professionals that this will appeal to. Its a clear and easy message to remember as well. Vote Labour and be done with £1000 fee's everytime you move....

    So you are going to do away with agents then?

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