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  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Tim Montgmorie - "Patrick Mercer must resign. The people of Newark deserve an MP who represents them actively in Parliament":

    https://mobile.twitter.com/TimMontgomerie
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    BBC 6 O'Clock news - Robinson doing his vox pop on Euros & immigration - white crowd at Beverly Race Course mainly believed it is 'too high' - as did the ethnically from the Indian sub-continent Brits in Leeds......
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Patrick Mercer to make statement at 1915 on College Green.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Easy of England - plenty of Argo immigrants. Farage nailed on to win surely ?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033
    They couldn't push the writ quick enough to have it on the same day as the locals, surely?
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited April 2014

    James Lansdale on 6 o'clock news about Mercer - Farage has said he would 'seriously think' about standing in bye election if one was held....

    Boris v Nigel That would be fun.

    Time for Farage to Man Up.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,668

    James Lansdale on 6 o'clock news about Mercer - Farage has said he would 'seriously think' about standing in bye election if one was held....

    Boris v Nigel That would be fun.

    Not a chance. If one went for it the other would not stand.

  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    RobD said:

    They couldn't push the writ quick enough to have it on the same day as the locals, surely?

    As I posted earlier , it is too late already for May 22nd or indeed May 29th .
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    RobD said:

    They couldn't push the writ quick enough to have it on the same day as the locals, surely?

    Not possible. The number of days required between the writ being moved and the election being held was increased from 17 to 25 just a few days ago (not including Sundays and bank holidays).
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033

    James Lansdale on 6 o'clock news about Mercer - Farage has said he would 'seriously think' about standing in bye election if one was held....

    Boris v Nigel That would be fun.

    Time for Farage to Man Up.
    Buffoon vs. Fruitcake. Who will win?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033

    RobD said:

    They couldn't push the writ quick enough to have it on the same day as the locals, surely?

    As I posted earlier , it is too late already for May 22nd or indeed May 29th .
    What is Mensch on about then saying it'd detract from UKIPs performance at the Euros?

    Thanks too, AndyJS.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    From the excellent Election Data:

    Election-data ‏@election_data ·2 mins
    Map showing the likely reception for @UKIP in Newark, should Patrick Mercer force a by-election: (it's pretty good) pic.twitter.com/xBCv693RrL
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    MikeK said:


    UKIP supporters will recognise the principle at work here: the mainstream media are engaged in a feeding frenzy against UKIP, and are prepared to twist the facts to suit their agenda. It seems that prejudice and hostility are alive and well at the Sun. This journalist’s boss is (I assume) the Sun’s Political Editor Tom Newton Dunn, the son of Bill Newton Dunn, the Lib-Dem MEP whose seat is under threat in the East Midlands.

    The Sun is well-known as a bastion of support for the Liberal Democrats.
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    edited April 2014
    ***** Betting Post *****

    Hills have allowed me a score at odds of 7/2 against UKIP winning a by-election before the General Election.
    I will be very surprised if these odds are still available tomorrow morning but DYOR!
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,668
    rcs1000 said:

    @RCS - all the info on unemployment in Spain. Figures today indicate that while the number of people signing on has fallen very slightly, so has the number of people in work. It seems that any gains Spain makes are going to be largely based on productivity gains, which for the long term is probably a very good thing:

    http://elpais.com/elpais/2014/04/29/media/1398776277_178997.html

    What I find fascinating for Spain is that unemployment numbers are so much higher than in 1990, yet the proportion of people over the age of 16 in work is also higher.

    I suspect it has a lot to do with the relative size of the black economy back then and the fact that you could not get any kind of welfare payments until you had worked, so the young did not actually appear in the numbers.
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    They couldn't push the writ quick enough to have it on the same day as the locals, surely?

    As I posted earlier , it is too late already for May 22nd or indeed May 29th .
    What is Mensch on about then saying it'd detract from UKIPs performance at the Euros?

    Thanks too, AndyJS.
    I'd guess it'd replace the Euros as the last political result and she thinks they'd lose and move the narrative more to doubts they can repeat success at westminster
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Rentoul

    @JohnRentoul: Ladbrokes already offering 2/1 against UKIP to take Newark if there's a by election, Farage 5/1 to stand.
  • perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    TGOHF said:

    UKIP candidate who made racist remarks about Lenny Henry resigns from party

    It seems that "the nasty party" joined ukip.

  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Re Lib Dem losses , 350 is much too high an estimate .

    They are defending

    Non Met and Unitary councils circa 330 seats . A similar performance to 2012 would see them lose approx 100 or 2013 approx 80 .
    Met councils 129 seats . A performance as in 2012 would see them lose 58
    London councils 243 seats . A loss of 40 to 50% ( which would be very poor ) would see them lose 100 to 120 seats .
    Net loss overall should be in the range 240 to 280 .
  • Let's hope Farage runs and wins. We all need a good laugh, and the reaction of "mainstream" politicians to the arrival of "lets all call them racists" will be hilarious
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033
    edited April 2014

    Re Lib Dem losses , 350 is much too high an estimate .

    They are defending

    Non Met and Unitary councils circa 330 seats . A similar performance to 2012 would see them lose approx 100 or 2013 approx 80 .
    Met councils 129 seats . A performance as in 2012 would see them lose 58
    London councils 243 seats . A loss of 40 to 50% ( which would be very poor ) would see them lose 100 to 120 seats .
    Net loss overall should be in the range 240 to 280 .

    From 157 of the 161 councils up, I have them defending 632 seats, and I don't think the four I haven't tallied are LD strongholds. So the losses may be even fewer.

    Oops, changed 159->157 and 163->161
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    antifrank said:

    From the excellent Election Data:

    Election-data ‏@election_data ·2 mins
    Map showing the likely reception for @UKIP in Newark, should Patrick Mercer force a by-election: (it's pretty good) pic.twitter.com/xBCv693RrL

    According to that map the town of Newark would be unreceptive to UKIP.

    In last year's local elections they polled as follows:

    Newark East: 18.4%
    Newark West: 14.8%
    Balderton: 22.1%
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Mercer resigns as per Sun

    Tom Newton Dunn ‏@tnewtondunn 1m
    BREAKING: Patrick Mercer has quit as a Tory MP.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    norman smith ‏@BBCNormanS 1m
    No 10 say believe likely Newark by election will have to be held after European elections
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Sun reporting that he has actually quit.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,507
    edited April 2014

    Mercer resigns as per Sun

    Tom Newton Dunn ‏@tnewtondunn 1m
    BREAKING: Patrick Mercer has quit as a Tory MP.

    Not sure how he quits as a Tory MP, when he isn't one. He resigned that months ago..still looks like fun and games ahead and headache for Cameron.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    norman smith ‏@BBCNormanS 1m
    No 10 say believe likely Newark by election will have to be held after European elections

    It's a fact that it has to be held after the Euro elections.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,326
    edited April 2014
    Presumably if the Sun did tape the call with Roger Helmer they will publish a transcript and, indeed, let us hear the call and we can judge for ourselves whether he said the things attributed to him.

    Regardless of what the truth is in this case, I wish the mainstream papers were more willing to identify and campaign against speakers who really do wish harm to gay people and seek to disseminate their views amongst the young - http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/04/universities-must-not-host-hardline-islamist-extremists/
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    If Boris is serious, now is his chance. Nice safe rural seat on the fast line to London.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    BBC confirms Mercer standing down.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @bbcnickrobinson: Mercer gone. By-election on. Waiting for @Nigel_Farage to decide whether will stand. Then standby for campaign to draft Boris ?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @bbclaurak: Odds on Farage standing in Newark? Against Boris?! Westminster village fantasy election ....not, I repeat not, reporting that
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,668
    If Farage stands he really has to win. It's a very big call for him.
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549

    If Farage stands he really has to win. It's a very big call for him.

    I don't think he'll want to stand against Boris.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Speccie has Mercer story too:

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/04/patrick-mercer-quits-as-mp/

    If the Tories have any sense (????- ed.) they will move the writ ASAP to capitalise on UKIP disorganisation.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited April 2014
    If Boris wants to become leader of the Conservative Party and PM, a CV which included winning the mayoralty of London twice, including once when the party was unpopular nationally, followed by seeing off Farage in Newark, would be pretty unassailable.

    Jus' sayin'
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    UK News ‏@UKNewsOne 1h

    Patrick Mercer 'banned from Parliament for six months' following lobbying scandal: MP for Newark Patrick Merce... http://bit.ly/1u0fEu7

    Coffee House ‏@Spectator_CH 3m

    Patrick Mercer quits as MP and triggers awkward by-election in Newark http://specc.ie/1pKMW0H

    Foptastic!

    LOL
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    If Bozza stands, can we have a special mayoral election in London, or else annex Newark as rural exclave? We could give it the postcode N100 and build loads of houses near Northgate station.

    Sorted.
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042
    corporeal said:

    If Farage stands he really has to win. It's a very big call for him.

    I don't think he'll want to stand against Boris.
    I don't think Boris will want to stand in Newark, and with any chance at all of defeat.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Newark is too far from London for Boris.
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789

    If Boris wants to become leader of the Conservative Party and PM, a CV which included winning the mayoralty of London twice, including once when the party was unpopular nationally, followed by seeing off Farage in Newark, would be pretty unassailable.

    Jus' sayin'

    I thought you opposed his leading the party Richard?
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    Quincel said:

    corporeal said:

    If Farage stands he really has to win. It's a very big call for him.

    I don't think he'll want to stand against Boris.
    I don't think Boris will want to stand in Newark, and with any chance at all of defeat.
    He wouldn't have any risk of defeat unless his opponent were Farage. And that might be a risk worth seizing.

    On the other hand, Farage would have too much to lose.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Press conf. with Mercer coming up shortly.

    Should be entertaining viewing for Cammie. ;)
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    BobaFett said:

    If Boris wants to become leader of the Conservative Party and PM, a CV which included winning the mayoralty of London twice, including once when the party was unpopular nationally, followed by seeing off Farage in Newark, would be pretty unassailable.

    Jus' sayin'

    I thought you opposed his leading the party Richard?
    I was looking at it from his point of view.

    My view is that I'm really not sure about him. He might be brilliant, but it's a high-risk kind of brilliance.

    Also, there is a problemette that he's not terribly popular outside the Tory heartlands of the South.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,376
    By-election ahead, yay!
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Patrick Mercer has never knowingly done David Cameron a favour and he hasn't started now.

    If Boris stands, I can't see him losing. He would make the seat inkipperble.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    If Mercer had resigned just a couple of weeks ago, the by-election could have been held on the same day as the Euro elections.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033
    AndyJS said:

    If Mercer had resigned just a couple of weeks ago, the by-election could have been held on the same day as the Euro elections.

    Im torn as to whether that would have helped or hindered the Tories.
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    @Richard

    Agreed. Fair enough.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Matt Worrall ‏@healthmatt 1m

    Mercer steps down - it's put up or shut up time for Boris!

    Tim Shipman ‏@ShippersUnbound 42m

    Farage contemplating standing in Newark. If Boris suggests he is interested too, the Lobby might collectively explode.

    Nick Robinson ‏@bbcnickrobinson 7m

    Mercer gone. By-election on. Waiting for @Nigel_Farage to decide whether will stand. Standby for campaign to draft Boris ? Meant to add ;-)
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    RobD said:

    AndyJS said:

    If Mercer had resigned just a couple of weeks ago, the by-election could have been held on the same day as the Euro elections.

    Im torn as to whether that would have helped or hindered the Tories.
    It probably would have stopped Farage from standing.
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042

    Quincel said:

    corporeal said:

    If Farage stands he really has to win. It's a very big call for him.

    I don't think he'll want to stand against Boris.
    I don't think Boris will want to stand in Newark, and with any chance at all of defeat.
    He wouldn't have any risk of defeat unless his opponent were Farage. And that might be a risk worth seizing.

    On the other hand, Farage would have too much to lose.
    Indeed. Both wouldn't mind the constituency (though aren't ideal for it) if the other doesn't stand. Two very successful bluffers playing poker (or prisoners dilemma?) with each other...
  • I'm not sure Farage should stand.

    1) Would be hard for Farage to locally campaign in Newark and campaign for the Euros at the same time
    2) Would be better to get a more locally based candidate
    3) If Farage won the bye election he would have to give up his EP seat. If he won the bye election but lost in 2015, he would then face 4 years out of both parliaments unless another bye election came up.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    My hunch is a UKIP gain iff they come first in the Euro election. It would be a momentum thing.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,457
    Boris shouldn't stand in Newark.

    He's already got a job. Trying to become be an MP again in the middle of his term as London Mayor would be a disgrace, and let down Londoners.

    And then there's another question: if he stands in Newark and loses, how can he go back to represent Londoners?

    I can see why so many people want it to happen for so many reasons: it would be an exciting contest (especially if against Farage), it may lead to a snap London mayoral election, and could see either Boris or Farage in parliament. If Boris was to get into parliament, some could see it as putting extra pressure on Cameron.

    But despite all this, Boris shouldn't stand.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,326

    BobaFett said:

    If Boris wants to become leader of the Conservative Party and PM, a CV which included winning the mayoralty of London twice, including once when the party was unpopular nationally, followed by seeing off Farage in Newark, would be pretty unassailable.

    Jus' sayin'

    I thought you opposed his leading the party Richard?
    I was looking at it from his point of view.

    My view is that I'm really not sure about him. He might be brilliant, but it's a high-risk kind of brilliance.

    Also, there is a problemette that he's not terribly popular outside the Tory heartlands of the South.
    Also he only just defeated Ken last time in London. If Labour had put up a credible candidate I think Boris might well have lost. Frankly, I don't think he has what is needed by the Tories to make them attractive to ordinary working/not rich people who live outside London (and certain parts of London at that).

  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,376
    edited April 2014
    By election no doubt a headache for the Conservatives, but after these comments;


    "He's a most despicable creature without any redeeming features,” Mr Mercer said.
    He called Mr Cameron "an arse", adding: "I loathe him."
    Asked where Mr Cameron went wrong, Mr Mercer said: "Well, he was born."

    I suspect Cameron will be enjoying his post dinner brandy just a little bit more than normal tonight...
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    @Andy

    1hr26 from KX, near Boris' house in Islington.

    Easy peasy.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033
    Maybe this could break the 30 year losing streak for Tory defences.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited April 2014
    AndyJS said:

    If Mercer had resigned just a couple of weeks ago, the by-election could have been held on the same day as the Euro elections.


    norman smith ‏@BBCNormanS 50m

    Nigel Farage says unlikely to stand in a Newark by election if held on same day as European elections

    So that puts the spotlight firmly on Boris and Farage until either of them chickens out.
    The Westminster village press can't believe their luck. So much space to fill with so much speculation.
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    Is Newark known for its taste for Kippers? Or are we simply assuming that all safe backwater Tory seats are Kipnapable?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033
    Mick_Pork said:

    AndyJS said:

    If Mercer had resigned just a couple of weeks ago, the by-election could have been held on the same day as the Euro elections.


    norman smith ‏@BBCNormanS 50m

    Nigel Farage says unlikely to stand in a Newark by election if held on same day as European elections

    So that puts the spotlight firmly on Boris and Farage until either of them chickens out.
    The Westminster village press can't believe their luck. So much space to fill with so much speculation.
    Those papers aren't going to sell themselves! ;-)
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    I can't understand the clamour for Boris now [other than drama, and an improved chance of retaining the seat]. Why not at the election? It's a whole extra year of "part-time Mayor" jibes that both Boris & the Tories can probably do without.
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042
    BobaFett said:

    Is Newark known for its taste for Kippers? Or are we simply assuming that all safe backwater Tory seats are Kipnapable?

    They've been getting 15-20% in lots of council seats last year and a council by-election recently. Make of that what you will.
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    Cyclefree said:

    BobaFett said:

    If Boris wants to become leader of the Conservative Party and PM, a CV which included winning the mayoralty of London twice, including once when the party was unpopular nationally, followed by seeing off Farage in Newark, would be pretty unassailable.

    Jus' sayin'

    I thought you opposed his leading the party Richard?
    I was looking at it from his point of view.

    My view is that I'm really not sure about him. He might be brilliant, but it's a high-risk kind of brilliance.

    Also, there is a problemette that he's not terribly popular outside the Tory heartlands of the South.
    Also he only just defeated Ken last time in London. If Labour had put up a credible candidate I think Boris might well have lost. Frankly, I don't think he has what is needed by the Tories to make them attractive to ordinary working/not rich people who live outside London (and certain parts of London at that).

    Labour would have won in a Labour town in 2012 for certain with any half decent candidate. Ken was indeed the problem...
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042
    GIN1138 said:

    By election no doubt a headache for the Conservatives, but after these comments;


    "He's a most despicable creature without any redeeming features,” Mr Mercer said.
    He called Mr Cameron "an arse", adding: "I loathe him."
    Asked where Mr Cameron went wrong, Mr Mercer said: "Well, he was born."

    I suspect Cameron will be enjoying his post dinner brandy just a little bit more than normal tonight...

    You joking? Mercer was already halfway out the door and not standing in 2015. Now his final act will be to ruin Cameron's plans instead of slink off quietly.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    BobaFett said:

    Is Newark known for its taste for Kippers? Or are we simply assuming that all safe backwater Tory seats are Kipnapable?

    I'll repost this:

    The boundaries of the CC divisions don’t match up tidily with the constituency, but these are basically the ones that comprise the Newark constituency:

    Bassetlaw: Tuxford.
    Newark & Sherwood: Balderton, Collingham, Farndon&Muskham, Newark East, Newark West, Southwell&Caunton.
    Rushcliffe: Bingham.

    Votes, Newark, 2013 CC elections:
    Con: 10,750 (8/8 contested)
    Lab: 5,153 (8/8)
    UKIP: 3,520 (7/8)
    LD: 3,028 (7/8)
    Ind: 1,846 (2/8)
    Total: 24,297

    Percentages:
    Con: 44.2%
    Lab: 21.2%
    UKIP: 14.5%
    LD: 12.5%
    Ind: 7.6%

    Changes from the 2010 general election:
    Con: -9.7%
    Lab: -1.1%
    UKIP: +10.7%
    LD: -7.5%
    Ind: +7.6%

    Not completely accurate because a small portion (in terms of population) of the Radcliffe on Trent CC division is included in the Newark constituency, although most of it is in Rushcliffe. Also a small bit of Tuxford is in Bassetlaw.

    2013 CC results:

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0At91c3wX1Wu5dGxoSGFQaWg1V2tyYklHcXFkTm9LTXc&pli=1#gid=0
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    BobaFett said:

    Is Newark known for its taste for Kippers? Or are we simply assuming that all safe backwater Tory seats are Kipnapable?

    Since Labour held the seat in 1997 and are a decent second, while UKIP didn't hold their deposit at the last election, I'm very sceptical that UKIP can take the seat without something very special. It seems more likely to me that Labour would beat the Conservatives, but the prospect of a split opposition suggests to me that the Conservatives should hold on even if they suffer a large adverse swing.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,376
    RobD said:

    Maybe this could break the 30 year losing streak for Tory defences.

    I reakon the Con's will cling on in Newark - Boris and Farage won't stand.

  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033
    Has the candidate already been selected in Newark for 2015? It seemed as though Patrick wanted the current candidate to succeed him.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Kevan Jones MP ‏@KevanJonesMP Apr 27

    There is only one reason why Boris Johnson is eyeing a seat in the House | Andrew Rawnsley http://gu.com/p/3zyqp/tw via @guardian

    Telegraph Politics ‏@TelePolitics Apr 27

    Boris Johnson vows to 'keep fudging' on whether he will stand as an MP http://tgr.ph/1kidpNP


    Ladbrokes Politics ‏@LadPolitics Apr 23

    Will Boris stand as an MP? Ladbrokes have betting on which seat he'll go for. http://bit.ly/1pq66sJ pic.twitter.com/BXygtCbihQ
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042
    antifrank said:

    BobaFett said:

    Is Newark known for its taste for Kippers? Or are we simply assuming that all safe backwater Tory seats are Kipnapable?

    Since Labour held the seat in 1997 and are a decent second, while UKIP didn't hold their deposit at the last election, I'm very sceptical that UKIP can take the seat without something very special. It seems more likely to me that Labour would beat the Conservatives, but the prospect of a split opposition suggests to me that the Conservatives should hold on even if they suffer a large adverse swing.
    You don't think this could be a Bermondsey type situation? Huge tactical voting behind the anti-incumbent?
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Quincel said:

    antifrank said:

    BobaFett said:

    Is Newark known for its taste for Kippers? Or are we simply assuming that all safe backwater Tory seats are Kipnapable?

    Since Labour held the seat in 1997 and are a decent second, while UKIP didn't hold their deposit at the last election, I'm very sceptical that UKIP can take the seat without something very special. It seems more likely to me that Labour would beat the Conservatives, but the prospect of a split opposition suggests to me that the Conservatives should hold on even if they suffer a large adverse swing.
    You don't think this could be a Bermondsey type situation? Huge tactical voting behind the anti-incumbent?
    I think that most of the UKIP boosters on here have lost their heads.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Newark is separated from the UKIP bastion of Boston & Skegness by just one constituency - Sleaford & North Hykeham.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited April 2014
    BobaFett said:


    Labour would have won in a Labour town in 2012 for certain with any half decent candidate. Ken was indeed the problem...

    Actually I disagree on that. It's an election where you need a big personality. Ken certainly had his faults (!), but he was a big name. When you try to think of an alternative Labour candidate, it's hard to think who would have done better - remember Oona King? (No you probably don't). Well, she was considered the front-runner at one point.
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042
    antifrank said:

    Quincel said:

    antifrank said:

    BobaFett said:

    Is Newark known for its taste for Kippers? Or are we simply assuming that all safe backwater Tory seats are Kipnapable?

    Since Labour held the seat in 1997 and are a decent second, while UKIP didn't hold their deposit at the last election, I'm very sceptical that UKIP can take the seat without something very special. It seems more likely to me that Labour would beat the Conservatives, but the prospect of a split opposition suggests to me that the Conservatives should hold on even if they suffer a large adverse swing.
    You don't think this could be a Bermondsey type situation? Huge tactical voting behind the anti-incumbent?
    I think that most of the UKIP boosters on here have lost their heads.
    There was good money to be made following that strategy last time, for sure.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,121
    Any sign of some odds from the bookmakers yet on Newark?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    antifrank said:

    Quincel said:

    antifrank said:

    BobaFett said:

    Is Newark known for its taste for Kippers? Or are we simply assuming that all safe backwater Tory seats are Kipnapable?

    Since Labour held the seat in 1997 and are a decent second, while UKIP didn't hold their deposit at the last election, I'm very sceptical that UKIP can take the seat without something very special. It seems more likely to me that Labour would beat the Conservatives, but the prospect of a split opposition suggests to me that the Conservatives should hold on even if they suffer a large adverse swing.
    You don't think this could be a Bermondsey type situation? Huge tactical voting behind the anti-incumbent?
    I think that most of the UKIP boosters on here have lost their heads.
    I think you're too confident about Tory chances in Newark.
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042

    Any sign of some odds from the bookmakers yet on Newark?

    Ladbrokes:

    Tories 4/5
    UKIP 2/1
    Lab 4/1
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited April 2014
    RobD said:

    Has the candidate already been selected in Newark for 2015? It seemed as though Patrick wanted the current candidate to succeed him.

    Robert Jenrick is the selected Tory candidate. He contested Newcastle-under-Lyme in 2010.
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789

    Boris shouldn't stand in Newark.

    He's already got a job. Trying to become be an MP again in the middle of his term as London Mayor would be a disgrace, and let down Londoners.

    And then there's another question: if he stands in Newark and loses, how can he go back to represent Londoners?

    I can see why so many people want it to happen for so many reasons: it would be an exciting contest (especially if against Farage), it may lead to a snap London mayoral election, and could see either Boris or Farage in parliament. If Boris was to get into parliament, some could see it as putting extra pressure on Cameron.

    But despite all this, Boris shouldn't stand.

    I have already proposed a perfectly viable solution - turn it into the London Borough of Newark (N100) and use the endless fields of grass to build much-needed commuter homes. Hurrah!
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    Ladbrokes

    Con 4/5
    UKIP 2/1
    Lab 4/1
    LD 66/1

    Boris to be Tory candidate 10/1
    Farage to be UKIP candidate 5/1
    F+B both to stand, 100/1
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited April 2014
    From the Boris and Farage point of view it's likely they'll want to keep the westminster press guessing and keep coy for as long as they can. Thus ensuring maximum publicity for both for as long as possible. Something neither is known to be averse to. To say the least. ;)

    I somehow don't think that's what Cammie wants though. ;)

    Thursday 29th May quoted by Crick as earliest possible date.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    We need a new thread on the Newark by-election...
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042
    AndyJS said:

    RobD said:

    Has the candidate already been selected in Newark for 2015? It seemed as though Patrick wanted the current candidate to succeed him.

    Robert Jenrick is the selected Tory candidate. He contested Newcastle-under-Lyme in 2010.
    According to reliable sources on Twitter (Nick Robinson and others) Tory HQ has confirmed Robert Jenrick will be the candidate.
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    Poor Newark folk. They'll be removing their door knockers, disconnecting their doorbells and duct-taping up their letterboxes.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,457
    Which candidates have already been selected for Newark?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,376
    edited April 2014
    We perhaps shouldn't discount Labour in Newark. Having a look at the history of the seat show's it HAS shifted to Labour at times;

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newark_(UK_Parliament_constituency)

    Labour held the seat in 1950 to 1979 and it made up part of Blair's landslide in 1997.

    With the split Con/UKIP vote this could have the making of Ed Milliband's defining moment?
  • Fat_SteveFat_Steve Posts: 361
    Forgive me if I'm being Dim - How many seats are in play in total ?
    ie. Total predicted Labour gain of 490, out of how many?
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    If Mercer's so ashamed about what he did, why didn't he resign when the film had him bang-to-rights in the first place?
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    GIN1138 said:

    RobD said:

    Maybe this could break the 30 year losing streak for Tory defences.



    I reakon the Con's will cling on in Newark - Boris and Farage won't stand.

    Split anti-Tory vote does indeed make the Tories the bet.
    Hopefully a few days of Farage ramping will push up the Tory price.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033
    Fat_Steve said:

    Forgive me if I'm being Dim - How many seats are in play in total ?
    ie. Total predicted Labour gain of 490, out of how many?

    From my tally of all but four of the councils, 4029 seats are up for grabs, with Labour defending 1667.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited April 2014
    Glen Oglaza ‏@glenoglaza1 2m

    Political correspondents & Westminster in general getting VERY excited about the (vague?) possibility of Farage v Boris in Newark!

    Wait till they start knocking up the Boris Vs Farage boxing posters and demanding they debate each other.

    *chortle*
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053

    If Farage stands he really has to win. It's a very big call for him.

    Just back from other work.
    @Southam, your statement is rubbish and you know it. If Farage stands, and I believe it will depend on the date, and whether it's a winning chance, he will do the best he can.

    @rcs1000, I would certainly be truthful with any story concerning UKIP activities. However having said that, I believe that tapes are very easy to splice and alter these days, so I wouldn't put much trust in the SUN.

    BTW it's my birthday tomorrow. I will be 80 years old. Fancy that!
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    Which candidates have already been selected for Newark?

    Con: Robert Jenrick (age 31/32)
    Lab: Michael Payne (age 27/28)

  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,046
    Boris isn't going to Newark. It's an excellent line but it's too far out. He will have a home counties seat somewhere when it comes.

    Oh and btw what are we expecting?

    - Cons lose, he becomes MP in 2016 and immediately goes for leader
    - Cons win, he becomes MP in 2016 and goes for leader in 2020?

    Are there other scenarios?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    GIN1138 said:

    We perhaps shouldn't discount Labour in Newark. Having a look at the history of the seat show's it HAS shifted to Labour at times;

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newark_(UK_Parliament_constituency)

    Labour held the seat in 1950 to 1979 and it made up part of Blair's landslide in 1997.

    With the split Con/UKIP vote this could have the making of Ed Milliband's defining moment?

    At last year's local elections the Labour vote was DOWN compared to the general election: 21% vs 22%.
  • MillsyMillsy Posts: 900
    Newark by-election will be good news for Tories, narrative changing
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Quincel said:

    AndyJS said:

    RobD said:

    Has the candidate already been selected in Newark for 2015? It seemed as though Patrick wanted the current candidate to succeed him.

    Robert Jenrick is the selected Tory candidate. He contested Newcastle-under-Lyme in 2010.
    According to reliable sources on Twitter (Nick Robinson and others) Tory HQ has confirmed Robert Jenrick will be the candidate.
    I knew it wouldn't be Boris.

    He has his eyes firmly set on North West Hampshire or possibly Kensington.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    edited April 2014
    Tough call for Cameron:

    - 29th May means only a few days of focussed campaigning but vote could be at UKIP peak if they win Euros

    - Wait until summer when things have quietened down but then lots of focussed campaigning

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