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  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,690
    Two goals within 70-odd seconds!
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,797
    IanB2 said:

    Two goals within 70-odd seconds!

    14 seconds of the restart.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,258
    Streeting backs Mahmood vs Starmer and Tapp.

    https://x.com/wesstreeting/status/2070580380411789709

    The one person this statement doesn’t reflect badly on is the Home Secretary.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,657
    3-1 hat trick
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,153
    Cracking match!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,891

    Streeting backs Mahmood vs Starmer and Tapp.

    https://x.com/wesstreeting/status/2070580380411789709

    The one person this statement doesn’t reflect badly on is the Home Secretary.

    Starmer always gets it wrong.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,657

    Streeting backs Mahmood vs Starmer and Tapp.

    https://x.com/wesstreeting/status/2070580380411789709

    The one person this statement doesn’t reflect badly on is the Home Secretary.

    Starmer always gets it wrong.
    Payback innit

  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,086
    For fans of Fight Club, quite clever.


  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,690
    Lucky escape there for Norway
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,934
    Ratters said:

    geoffw said:

    Looks like the French are on a Norwegian duck shoot

    More importantly for our Scottish friends Senegal are ahead. Really need a draw or Iraqi win to have another third place finishes behind the Scots.
    I could not stand the Scotland making history if they somehow qualified after beating Haiti 1 nil. Also given they would get to the last 32 stage if they did it would not be history
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,640
    rcs1000 said:

    Regarding the header, I don't really see this as misinformation. I see that aspects of the story are exaggerated or erroneous, but the central thrust of the story, that Burnham may have influenced a process in order to benefit his wife, is a matter of personal belief. Yes, he declared an interest and recused himself from the process, but that does not mean that if he had set his mind to getting that company hired, he could not have found the means to do it.

    My sympathy was very much on the side of the Burnhams until I read about the wife being taken on by the company at a later date, and yes, that gave me pause. I don't dislike Burnham, so I consider myself neutral. If I mistrusted and disliked him, I'd probably believe he influenced the process; if I really liked him, I'd probably think it was an outrageous calumny.

    The police have tried to accuse people of misinformation recently when it quickly became clear that they were the ones misinforming people. The term misinformation is inflationary. It is becoming debased through overuse.

    I'm going to disagree with you here: accuracy matters.

    Most importantly, one needs context.

    If the wife works for a marketing company with half a dozen staff and100s of clients, and one of them has a contract with the City of Manchester, then it's highly unlikely anything improper was going on. And that kind of 'conflict' is going to happen all the time, if you are in a support services business. (If a Minister's wife worked for PWC, for example, then are we saying there is the whiff of corruption of one of PWC's audit clients got a contract from the government?)

    If, on the other hand, the wife is a one person marketing business, and basically only has one customer, and said customer got a big contract from the city, and it was a decision that Burnham was personally involved in. Well, in that situation, it would stink to high heaven.

    Without the context, however, one cannot make any sensible judgement.
    I think this is the marketing company in question: https://heavenlygroup.com/
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 48,121
    boulay said:

    For fans of Fight Club, quite clever.


    Good t-shirt..
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 37,535
    Just watched Any Questions. Reminded me of why I don’t usually!
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,286
    edited 8:07PM

    Cracking match!

    ...Grommit.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,776
    rcs1000 said:

    Regarding the header, I don't really see this as misinformation. I see that aspects of the story are exaggerated or erroneous, but the central thrust of the story, that Burnham may have influenced a process in order to benefit his wife, is a matter of personal belief. Yes, he declared an interest and recused himself from the process, but that does not mean that if he had set his mind to getting that company hired, he could not have found the means to do it.

    My sympathy was very much on the side of the Burnhams until I read about the wife being taken on by the company at a later date, and yes, that gave me pause. I don't dislike Burnham, so I consider myself neutral. If I mistrusted and disliked him, I'd probably believe he influenced the process; if I really liked him, I'd probably think it was an outrageous calumny.

    The police have tried to accuse people of misinformation recently when it quickly became clear that they were the ones misinforming people. The term misinformation is inflationary. It is becoming debased through overuse.

    I'm going to disagree with you here: accuracy matters.

    Most importantly, one needs context.

    If the wife works for a marketing company with half a dozen staff and100s of clients, and one of them has a contract with the City of Manchester, then it's highly unlikely anything improper was going on. And that kind of 'conflict' is going to happen all the time, if you are in a support services business. (If a Minister's wife worked for PWC, for example, then are we saying there is the whiff of corruption of one of PWC's audit clients got a contract from the government?)

    If, on the other hand, the wife is a one person marketing business, and basically only has one customer, and said customer got a big contract from the city, and it was a decision that Burnham was personally involved in. Well, in that situation, it would stink to high heaven.

    Without the context, however, one cannot make any sensible judgement.
    Have some sympathy !

    About 3 months of "Britain collapsing due to civil war in Labour Party" headlines just went phut, so all those columns will need something else to pad them out.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,156
    When will football managers tell their players to stop with the bloody stuttering run ups with penalties already? It just messes with your own momentum and makes you look very stupid if the goalkeeper guesses the right way anyway.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,884
    “ Norway vs. France is the first match of the World Cup where one country's flag can be found inside the other”

    https://x.com/aaaronson/status/2070541457497141271?s=61
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,640
    Mildly amusing:




  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,248
    Taz said:

    “ Norway vs. France is the first match of the World Cup where one country's flag can be found inside the other”

    https://x.com/aaaronson/status/2070541457497141271?s=61

    Someone has seriously too much time on their hands.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,258
    https://x.com/matt_dathan/status/2070597927903306144

    Excl: Shabana Mahmood will next week announce a Ukrainian-style sponsorship scheme for households and communities to bring thousands of refugees to the UK from conflict zones around the world
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,248
    Senegal go 2 up. That's probably it for Scotland.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,650
    rcs1000 said:

    Mildly amusing:




    He was Havana laugh.
  • Why is Burnham not just becoming PM next week, the delay seems pointless
  • RobDRobD Posts: 61,152

    Why is Burnham not just becoming PM next week, the delay seems pointless

    Doesn’t he need the time to think about what he’s actually going to do?
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 6,046
    RobD said:

    Why is Burnham not just becoming PM next week, the delay seems pointless

    Doesn’t he need the time to think about what he’s actually going to do?
    He's going to be PM. What does he need to think about beyond that?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,233
    As it stands England will play Senegal in the next round.

    Is there any form for this one?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,640
    DavidL said:

    Senegal go 2 up. That's probably it for Scotland.

    It's been all over for Scotland since South Korea lost. At that point, -1 goal difference at 3 points was the minimum bar. And even that may end up not making it.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 10,182
    edited 8:36PM

    Why is Burnham not just becoming PM next week, the delay seems pointless

    The reason is that Starmer recommended, and the NEC accepted, a timetable that allowed others to compete if they have the backing.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,248
    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    Senegal go 2 up. That's probably it for Scotland.

    It's been all over for Scotland since South Korea lost. At that point, -1 goal difference at 3 points was the minimum bar. And even that may end up not making it.
    Yes, the goals given away to Brazil cost Scotland very dear. And the failure to get more against Haiti. Sad, but 1 goal in 3 games doesn't really deserve to go through to be honest.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 17,598

    Just watched Any Questions. Reminded me of why I don’t usually!

    Agree. But what were you watching during this dreary bit of sound radio?
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 10,182
    RobD said:

    Why is Burnham not just becoming PM next week, the delay seems pointless

    Doesn’t he need the time to think about what he’s actually going to do?
    I think he'll have all summer to appoint his cabinet and hone his policies.
    But first he has to ensure that Labour retain Manchester. He'll be busy.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,967

    https://x.com/matt_dathan/status/2070597927903306144

    Excl: Shabana Mahmood will next week announce a Ukrainian-style sponsorship scheme for households and communities to bring thousands of refugees to the UK from conflict zones around the world

    Aside from the inevitable fraud and the equally inevitable cases of people trying to use the refugees as unpaid servants…

    This has the potential to be funny. If you have the right sense of humour.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,891

    https://x.com/matt_dathan/status/2070597927903306144

    Excl: Shabana Mahmood will next week announce a Ukrainian-style sponsorship scheme for households and communities to bring thousands of refugees to the UK from conflict zones around the world

    Buying support from the Labour base.
  • Barnesian said:

    Why is Burnham not just becoming PM next week, the delay seems pointless

    The reason is that Starmer recommended, and thevNEC accepted, a timetable that allowed others to compete if they have the backing.
    But this is classic Starmer nonsense. It was obvious Burnham was going to the only candidate.

    So I understand it from my source, he's now got 300-350 MPs supporting him.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,556
    Having heard nothing at all about the thread topic, I can safely say that this lot of misinformation has passed me by.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 10,182

    Barnesian said:

    Why is Burnham not just becoming PM next week, the delay seems pointless

    The reason is that Starmer recommended, and thevNEC accepted, a timetable that allowed others to compete if they have the backing.
    But this is classic Starmer nonsense. It was obvious Burnham was going to the only candidate.

    So I understand it from my source, he's now got 300-350 MPs supporting him.
    You asked why. I gave the answer.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,689
    Scoiland's hopes 4-0 down.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,576

    Why is Burnham not just becoming PM next week, the delay seems pointless

    Process.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,258

    https://x.com/matt_dathan/status/2070597927903306144

    Excl: Shabana Mahmood will next week announce a Ukrainian-style sponsorship scheme for households and communities to bring thousands of refugees to the UK from conflict zones around the world

    Buying support from the Labour base.
    If we move to a model where numbers are capped based on the number of people who volunteer to host them, it could be a good move.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,884

    https://x.com/matt_dathan/status/2070597927903306144

    Excl: Shabana Mahmood will next week announce a Ukrainian-style sponsorship scheme for households and communities to bring thousands of refugees to the UK from conflict zones around the world

    Buying support from the Labour base.
    I had to check it wasn’t April,1st.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 8,331

    Streeting backs Mahmood vs Starmer and Tapp.

    https://x.com/wesstreeting/status/2070580380411789709

    The one person this statement doesn’t reflect badly on is the Home Secretary.

    Starmer always gets it wrong.
    As we have a lame duck prime minister, then I'm not sure there is any collective common policy to be loyal to.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,891

    https://x.com/matt_dathan/status/2070597927903306144

    Excl: Shabana Mahmood will next week announce a Ukrainian-style sponsorship scheme for households and communities to bring thousands of refugees to the UK from conflict zones around the world

    Buying support from the Labour base.
    If we move to a model where numbers are capped based on the number of people who volunteer to host them, it could be a good move.
    She's doing this because she's developed a reputation that she's too tough on immigration with the Labour base, which is harming her career.

    Nothing more, nothing less.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,885
    Yayyyyy....😕

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg590wqxwpo

    The US military has conducted strikes on Iranian targets after President Donald Trump accused Iran of a "foolish violation" of its truce following an attack on a cargo ship in the Strait of Hormuz.

    No casualties were reported when the ship as struck by a one-way attack drone on Thursday, an incident which prompted a planned evacuation of more than 11,000 sailors struck in the region.

    In response, US Central Command said on Friday it had struck missile and drone storage facilities and coastal radar positions.

    Just moments before the strikes was announced, President Trump said "you'll see" when asked if the US would respond to the Iranian attack.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,186

    Scoiland's hopes 4-0 down.

    Looking at possible results, it is quite likely that Scotland finish lowest of the 3rd place teams. I don’t suppose it will be enough to shake the Scottish football authorities’ complacency.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,812
    Sounds like another disaster outing for Yusuf from Reform. This time QT.

    When is Farage going to ditch him before he drags the whole party down to the mid teens in polling?

  • Sounds like another disaster outing for Yusuf from Reform. This time QT.

    When is Farage going to ditch him before he drags the whole party down to the mid teens in polling?

    They are screwed in my view. With Burnham Farage now loses the charisma stakes.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,812

    Streeting backs Mahmood vs Starmer and Tapp.

    https://x.com/wesstreeting/status/2070580380411789709

    The one person this statement doesn’t reflect badly on is the Home Secretary.

    Starmer always gets it wrong.
    As we have a lame duck prime minister, then I'm not sure there is any collective common policy to be loyal to.
    He's probably following some obscure technical process and still has no idea why doing that very thing day and night to exclusion of all else has bought him to this sorry point.

  • * The south is paying the price for economic failure in the north, Andy Burnham is expected to say next week as he unveils radical plans to devolve powers and money from central government to England’s regions

    * In his first big policy speech since Sir Keir Starmer’s resignation as prime minister, Burnham will set out an economic strategy under which Whitehall budgets will be slashed and money diverted to be spent by regional mayors

    * Burnham will argue that giving mayors new powers and funding to deliver social housing, tackle welfare dependency and run post-16 education will boost economic growth across the country

    * This in return will reduce the dependency of the north and Midlands on tax “handouts” from London and the southeast

    * Burnham will commit himself to spending a significant amount of his expected premiership in a “No10 of the North” to show his commitment to devolution and rebalancing the economy

    * He is also expected to set out plans for a “devolution-first” agenda across Whitehall, under which departments will be expected to assess which areas of their responsibility and funding should be transferred to regional governments

    * It is likely to reduce the size of Whitehall as swathes of roles in departments such as transport, education and work and pensions are devolved

    * The National Office of Statistics calculates that people in London pay £24,400 in tax on average but get back just £19,500 in spending on public services. In the southeast they pay in £17,600 and get £15,900 back. Yet in the northwest they pay £12,700 in taxes and get back £17,300 in public spending. In the northeast it is £11,200 and £17,400 respectively

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2070610431652049215
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,812

    Why is Burnham not just becoming PM next week, the delay seems pointless

    Process.
    NEC to blame for this me thinks.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,812
    Kevin Hollinrake challenges Reform’s Zia Yusuf on not standing for [any by-] election

    https://x.com/bbcquestiontime/status/2070600156064469230


    Because Reform and Yusuf know that he would be wiped out in any by-election.

    Another privately educated, multi-millionaire and former goldman sachs exec who claims he is the tribune of the salt of the earth people.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 2,058

    * The south is paying the price for economic failure in the north, Andy Burnham is expected to say next week as he unveils radical plans to devolve powers and money from central government to England’s regions

    * In his first big policy speech since Sir Keir Starmer’s resignation as prime minister, Burnham will set out an economic strategy under which Whitehall budgets will be slashed and money diverted to be spent by regional mayors

    * Burnham will argue that giving mayors new powers and funding to deliver social housing, tackle welfare dependency and run post-16 education will boost economic growth across the country

    * This in return will reduce the dependency of the north and Midlands on tax “handouts” from London and the southeast

    * Burnham will commit himself to spending a significant amount of his expected premiership in a “No10 of the North” to show his commitment to devolution and rebalancing the economy

    * He is also expected to set out plans for a “devolution-first” agenda across Whitehall, under which departments will be expected to assess which areas of their responsibility and funding should be transferred to regional governments

    * It is likely to reduce the size of Whitehall as swathes of roles in departments such as transport, education and work and pensions are devolved

    * The National Office of Statistics calculates that people in London pay £24,400 in tax on average but get back just £19,500 in spending on public services. In the southeast they pay in £17,600 and get £15,900 back. Yet in the northwest they pay £12,700 in taxes and get back £17,300 in public spending. In the northeast it is £11,200 and £17,400 respectively

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2070610431652049215

    You know what, the UK does have a very unusually centralised government. And it has an unusually dominant capital city (plus suburbs extending beyond 'official' London).

    If he succeeded in meaningful devolution to other major cities and regions that would be a good thing. More geographically diverse engines of growth would be a good thing for the country.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,235
    edited 9:08PM
    CatMan said:

    Yayyyyy....😕

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg590wqxwpo

    The US military has conducted strikes on Iranian targets after President Donald Trump accused Iran of a "foolish violation" of its truce following an attack on a cargo ship in the Strait of Hormuz.

    No casualties were reported when the ship as struck by a one-way attack drone on Thursday, an incident which prompted a planned evacuation of more than 11,000 sailors struck in the region.

    In response, US Central Command said on Friday it had struck missile and drone storage facilities and coastal radar positions.

    Just moments before the strikes was announced, President Trump said "you'll see" when asked if the US would respond to the Iranian attack.

    Just after Wall St closed. Be ready for a new ceasefire Sunday night as operation Epsten Fury becomes a weekend war.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,946

    Scoiland's hopes 4-0 down.

    Looking at possible results, it is quite likely that Scotland finish lowest of the 3rd place teams. I don’t suppose it will be enough to shake the Scottish football authorities’ complacency.
    At this point Scotland's best chance is to deliberately fly home now in the chance of somehow angering the footballing gods to make them have to fly to a random North American location at the very last minute.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,258
    https://x.com/pietercleppe/status/2070528131794895345

    The EU Commission in Brussels has shut off airco, but only for the lower floors, where the lower ranks work:

    “It’s like feudalism,” a Commission official working on a lower level of the Berlaymont, granted anonymity to speak freely, told POLITICO on Friday, referring to the fact that upper floors housing commissioners got to keep their AC on. A second official agreed it was a “disgrace.”
  • ManchesterKurtManchesterKurt Posts: 1,020

    * The south is paying the price for economic failure in the north, Andy Burnham is expected to say next week as he unveils radical plans to devolve powers and money from central government to England’s regions

    * In his first big policy speech since Sir Keir Starmer’s resignation as prime minister, Burnham will set out an economic strategy under which Whitehall budgets will be slashed and money diverted to be spent by regional mayors

    * Burnham will argue that giving mayors new powers and funding to deliver social housing, tackle welfare dependency and run post-16 education will boost economic growth across the country

    * This in return will reduce the dependency of the north and Midlands on tax “handouts” from London and the southeast

    * Burnham will commit himself to spending a significant amount of his expected premiership in a “No10 of the North” to show his commitment to devolution and rebalancing the economy

    * He is also expected to set out plans for a “devolution-first” agenda across Whitehall, under which departments will be expected to assess which areas of their responsibility and funding should be transferred to regional governments

    * It is likely to reduce the size of Whitehall as swathes of roles in departments such as transport, education and work and pensions are devolved

    * The National Office of Statistics calculates that people in London pay £24,400 in tax on average but get back just £19,500 in spending on public services. In the southeast they pay in £17,600 and get £15,900 back. Yet in the northwest they pay £12,700 in taxes and get back £17,300 in public spending. In the northeast it is £11,200 and £17,400 respectively

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2070610431652049215


    Go Andy.

    Finally someone seems to be grasping one of the fundamentals wrong with this country. It can't be run solely from fucking London.

    I feel weird. Dizzy. Unusual. I think it may be a bad dose of hope.

    be prepared for the London media telling us northerners we are too thick to be allowed to make decisions that affect us

    just watch
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,797

    * The south is paying the price for economic failure in the north, Andy Burnham is expected to say next week as he unveils radical plans to devolve powers and money from central government to England’s regions

    * In his first big policy speech since Sir Keir Starmer’s resignation as prime minister, Burnham will set out an economic strategy under which Whitehall budgets will be slashed and money diverted to be spent by regional mayors

    * Burnham will argue that giving mayors new powers and funding to deliver social housing, tackle welfare dependency and run post-16 education will boost economic growth across the country

    * This in return will reduce the dependency of the north and Midlands on tax “handouts” from London and the southeast

    * Burnham will commit himself to spending a significant amount of his expected premiership in a “No10 of the North” to show his commitment to devolution and rebalancing the economy

    * He is also expected to set out plans for a “devolution-first” agenda across Whitehall, under which departments will be expected to assess which areas of their responsibility and funding should be transferred to regional governments

    * It is likely to reduce the size of Whitehall as swathes of roles in departments such as transport, education and work and pensions are devolved

    * The National Office of Statistics calculates that people in London pay £24,400 in tax on average but get back just £19,500 in spending on public services. In the southeast they pay in £17,600 and get £15,900 back. Yet in the northwest they pay £12,700 in taxes and get back £17,300 in public spending. In the northeast it is £11,200 and £17,400 respectively

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2070610431652049215

    I can disagree.
    His house in Golborne isn't number 10.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,233
    3 points may well not be enough even for Senegal who have just won 5-0 to finish on +2 goal difference.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,812

    * The south is paying the price for economic failure in the north, Andy Burnham is expected to say next week as he unveils radical plans to devolve powers and money from central government to England’s regions

    * In his first big policy speech since Sir Keir Starmer’s resignation as prime minister, Burnham will set out an economic strategy under which Whitehall budgets will be slashed and money diverted to be spent by regional mayors

    * Burnham will argue that giving mayors new powers and funding to deliver social housing, tackle welfare dependency and run post-16 education will boost economic growth across the country

    * This in return will reduce the dependency of the north and Midlands on tax “handouts” from London and the southeast

    * Burnham will commit himself to spending a significant amount of his expected premiership in a “No10 of the North” to show his commitment to devolution and rebalancing the economy

    * He is also expected to set out plans for a “devolution-first” agenda across Whitehall, under which departments will be expected to assess which areas of their responsibility and funding should be transferred to regional governments

    * It is likely to reduce the size of Whitehall as swathes of roles in departments such as transport, education and work and pensions are devolved

    * The National Office of Statistics calculates that people in London pay £24,400 in tax on average but get back just £19,500 in spending on public services. In the southeast they pay in £17,600 and get £15,900 back. Yet in the northwest they pay £12,700 in taxes and get back £17,300 in public spending. In the northeast it is £11,200 and £17,400 respectively

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2070610431652049215


    Go Andy.

    Finally someone seems to be grasping one of the fundamentals wrong with this country. It can't be run solely from fucking London.

    I feel weird. Dizzy. Unusual. I think it may be a bad dose of hope.

    be prepared for the London media telling us northerners we are too thick to be allowed to make decisions that affect us

    just watch
    They can go fuck themselves.

    Let's read the FT's Jennifer Williams and see what she thinks.

  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,797

    Kevin Hollinrake challenges Reform’s Zia Yusuf on not standing for [any by-] election

    https://x.com/bbcquestiontime/status/2070600156064469230


    Because Reform and Yusuf know that he would be wiped out in any by-election.

    Another privately educated, multi-millionaire and former goldman sachs exec who claims he is the tribune of the salt of the earth people.

    Oh come on.
    You've missed the most salient reasons Reform voters won't like him.
  • ManchesterKurtManchesterKurt Posts: 1,020

    * The south is paying the price for economic failure in the north, Andy Burnham is expected to say next week as he unveils radical plans to devolve powers and money from central government to England’s regions

    * In his first big policy speech since Sir Keir Starmer’s resignation as prime minister, Burnham will set out an economic strategy under which Whitehall budgets will be slashed and money diverted to be spent by regional mayors

    * Burnham will argue that giving mayors new powers and funding to deliver social housing, tackle welfare dependency and run post-16 education will boost economic growth across the country

    * This in return will reduce the dependency of the north and Midlands on tax “handouts” from London and the southeast

    * Burnham will commit himself to spending a significant amount of his expected premiership in a “No10 of the North” to show his commitment to devolution and rebalancing the economy

    * He is also expected to set out plans for a “devolution-first” agenda across Whitehall, under which departments will be expected to assess which areas of their responsibility and funding should be transferred to regional governments

    * It is likely to reduce the size of Whitehall as swathes of roles in departments such as transport, education and work and pensions are devolved

    * The National Office of Statistics calculates that people in London pay £24,400 in tax on average but get back just £19,500 in spending on public services. In the southeast they pay in £17,600 and get £15,900 back. Yet in the northwest they pay £12,700 in taxes and get back £17,300 in public spending. In the northeast it is £11,200 and £17,400 respectively

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2070610431652049215


    Go Andy.

    Finally someone seems to be grasping one of the fundamentals wrong with this country. It can't be run solely from fucking London.

    I feel weird. Dizzy. Unusual. I think it may be a bad dose of hope.

    be prepared for the London media telling us northerners we are too thick to be allowed to make decisions that affect us

    just watch
    They can go fuck themselves.

    Let's read the FT's Jennifer Williams and see what she thinks.

    She is ex-MEN

    One of those who led the 'Back on Track' campaign for Metrolink Phase 3 from memory
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,235
    edited 9:17PM

    As it stands England will play Senegal in the next round.

    Is there any form for this one?

    I don't think we have lost to an African side at the World Cup.

    That said, Senegal looked pretty good in their first half against France.
  • Zia got utterly spanked on Question Time.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,797
    Senegal have half the Everton players at this World Cup.
    A dilemma for the putative PM?
  • eekeek Posts: 34,241
    edited 9:17PM

    * The south is paying the price for economic failure in the north, Andy Burnham is expected to say next week as he unveils radical plans to devolve powers and money from central government to England’s regions

    * In his first big policy speech since Sir Keir Starmer’s resignation as prime minister, Burnham will set out an economic strategy under which Whitehall budgets will be slashed and money diverted to be spent by regional mayors

    * Burnham will argue that giving mayors new powers and funding to deliver social housing, tackle welfare dependency and run post-16 education will boost economic growth across the country

    * This in return will reduce the dependency of the north and Midlands on tax “handouts” from London and the southeast

    * Burnham will commit himself to spending a significant amount of his expected premiership in a “No10 of the North” to show his commitment to devolution and rebalancing the economy

    * He is also expected to set out plans for a “devolution-first” agenda across Whitehall, under which departments will be expected to assess which areas of their responsibility and funding should be transferred to regional governments

    * It is likely to reduce the size of Whitehall as swathes of roles in departments such as transport, education and work and pensions are devolved

    * The National Office of Statistics calculates that people in London pay £24,400 in tax on average but get back just £19,500 in spending on public services. In the southeast they pay in £17,600 and get £15,900 back. Yet in the northwest they pay £12,700 in taxes and get back £17,300 in public spending. In the northeast it is £11,200 and £17,400 respectively

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2070610431652049215


    Go Andy.

    Finally someone seems to be grasping one of the fundamentals wrong with this country. It can't be run solely from fucking London.

    I feel weird. Dizzy. Unusual. I think it may be a bad dose of hope.

    be prepared for the London media telling us northerners we are too thick to be allowed to make decisions that affect us

    just watch
    They can go fuck themselves.

    Let's read the FT's Jennifer Williams and see what she thinks.

    She is ex-MEN

    One of those who led the 'Back on Track' campaign for Metrolink Phase 3 from memory
    Those sort of campaigns are editor led.

    I do like Jennifer and her article yesterday on Andy wasn't bad and showed both his good and bad points.

    The main bit I'm picking up from the news however is that SKS and co have basically wasted 2 years..
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,812
    How can the decisions that devolved cities and regions make be worse than the catalog of failure that is Whitehall for the last thirty or more years?

    HS2 anyone?

    No new nuke stations built?

    Failure to regulate the banks in early 2000s?

    One damn NHS reorg after another achieving diddly squat?

    Projects like the lower Thames gateway taking longer than the Roman empire to get off planning diagrams?

    Outsourcing of everything to same three or four massive outsourcing groups who then fail to deliver and walk away from contracts?

    Stunning regulation of the water industry?

    Superb regulation of privatised railways?

    I could go on and on.

    It's a litany.

    The last Whitehall thing that worked was the covid vax and that's because Boris and co took it away from Whitehall.




  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,258

    Zia got utterly spanked on Question Time.

    He has some fans.

    https://x.com/archrose90/status/2070592823347347564

    .@ZiaYusufUK is a fantastic orator amongst a typical BBC audience and out of touch MPs.

    The audience member blamed Brexit for all of the country’s problems.

    Zia correctly pointed out that neither Labour nor the Tories have delivered what the British public voted for.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,658

    Regarding the header, I don't really see this as misinformation. I see that aspects of the story are exaggerated or erroneous, but the central thrust of the story, that Burnham may have influenced a process in order to benefit his wife, is a matter of personal belief. Yes, he declared an interest and recused himself from the process, but that does not mean that if he had set his mind to getting that company hired, he could not have found the means to do it.

    My sympathy was very much on the side of the Burnhams until I read about the wife being taken on by the company at a later date, and yes, that gave me pause. I don't dislike Burnham, so I consider myself neutral. If I mistrusted and disliked him, I'd probably believe he influenced the process; if I really liked him, I'd probably think it was an outrageous calumny.

    The police have tried to accuse people of misinformation recently when it quickly became clear that they were the ones misinforming people. The term misinformation is inflationary. It is becoming debased through overuse.

    I agree. I actually think there is some misrepresentation in the series of tweets TSE uses in the header. Or at least a serious dollop of misleading by omission.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,186
    Since the 1980s, Scotland, Wales, the North of England and the Midlands have sacrificed jobs and prosperity whilst London and the South East have become ever richer. It’s time London took a share of the suffering. We never hear of mass redundancies of civil servants and consultants, only engineers, factory workers, steelworkers and other productive trades. Currently its Aberdeen oil and gas engineers whose jobs are being replaced by platitudes. Time for some proper levelling up. Go Andy!
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,075
    Ratters said:

    * The south is paying the price for economic failure in the north, Andy Burnham is expected to say next week as he unveils radical plans to devolve powers and money from central government to England’s regions

    * In his first big policy speech since Sir Keir Starmer’s resignation as prime minister, Burnham will set out an economic strategy under which Whitehall budgets will be slashed and money diverted to be spent by regional mayors

    * Burnham will argue that giving mayors new powers and funding to deliver social housing, tackle welfare dependency and run post-16 education will boost economic growth across the country

    * This in return will reduce the dependency of the north and Midlands on tax “handouts” from London and the southeast

    * Burnham will commit himself to spending a significant amount of his expected premiership in a “No10 of the North” to show his commitment to devolution and rebalancing the economy

    * He is also expected to set out plans for a “devolution-first” agenda across Whitehall, under which departments will be expected to assess which areas of their responsibility and funding should be transferred to regional governments

    * It is likely to reduce the size of Whitehall as swathes of roles in departments such as transport, education and work and pensions are devolved

    * The National Office of Statistics calculates that people in London pay £24,400 in tax on average but get back just £19,500 in spending on public services. In the southeast they pay in £17,600 and get £15,900 back. Yet in the northwest they pay £12,700 in taxes and get back £17,300 in public spending. In the northeast it is £11,200 and £17,400 respectively

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2070610431652049215

    You know what, the UK does have a very unusually centralised government. And it has an unusually dominant capital city (plus suburbs extending beyond 'official' London).

    If he succeeded in meaningful devolution to other major cities and regions that would be a good thing. More geographically diverse engines of growth would be a good thing for the country.
    But look at the poor quality of leadership in terms of councils and mayors. They are going to need much better candidates before this becomes a workable plan.

    I am all for the idea of key decisions being made as close to the people who will be most affected but only by good quality local representatives.

    And if this is going to happen, the council consultation process needs a complete overhaul. Such things are treated as a tick box exercise with councils doing what they intended from the outset.

    So make consultations properly binding and limited to local residents and businesses. Not anyone who has Internet access.

  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,650

    * The south is paying the price for economic failure in the north, Andy Burnham is expected to say next week as he unveils radical plans to devolve powers and money from central government to England’s regions

    * In his first big policy speech since Sir Keir Starmer’s resignation as prime minister, Burnham will set out an economic strategy under which Whitehall budgets will be slashed and money diverted to be spent by regional mayors

    * Burnham will argue that giving mayors new powers and funding to deliver social housing, tackle welfare dependency and run post-16 education will boost economic growth across the country

    * This in return will reduce the dependency of the north and Midlands on tax “handouts” from London and the southeast

    * Burnham will commit himself to spending a significant amount of his expected premiership in a “No10 of the North” to show his commitment to devolution and rebalancing the economy

    * He is also expected to set out plans for a “devolution-first” agenda across Whitehall, under which departments will be expected to assess which areas of their responsibility and funding should be transferred to regional governments

    * It is likely to reduce the size of Whitehall as swathes of roles in departments such as transport, education and work and pensions are devolved

    * The National Office of Statistics calculates that people in London pay £24,400 in tax on average but get back just £19,500 in spending on public services. In the southeast they pay in £17,600 and get £15,900 back. Yet in the northwest they pay £12,700 in taxes and get back £17,300 in public spending. In the northeast it is £11,200 and £17,400 respectively

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2070610431652049215

    Londoners get more spent on them than anyone else.

    And the buggers still complain.
  • ManchesterKurtManchesterKurt Posts: 1,020
    Assuming that Burnham gets massive devolution passed before the next election, do the Tories and Reform campaign to reverse it, or would it be here to stay and they accept it's too difficult to undo and policitally unpopular to take power from the regions and send it to Whitehall ?
  • Zia got utterly spanked on Question Time.

    He has some fans.

    https://x.com/archrose90/status/2070592823347347564

    .@ZiaYusufUK is a fantastic orator amongst a typical BBC audience and out of touch MPs.

    The audience member blamed Brexit for all of the country’s problems.

    Zia correctly pointed out that neither Labour nor the Tories have delivered what the British public voted for.
    "Chris Rose

    @ArchRose90
    ReformUK member | Now on Youtube: https://youtube.com/@ArchRose90 | Keen on crypto market volatility 📉📈"

    Hahahahaha
  • ManchesterKurtManchesterKurt Posts: 1,020

    Ratters said:

    * The south is paying the price for economic failure in the north, Andy Burnham is expected to say next week as he unveils radical plans to devolve powers and money from central government to England’s regions

    * In his first big policy speech since Sir Keir Starmer’s resignation as prime minister, Burnham will set out an economic strategy under which Whitehall budgets will be slashed and money diverted to be spent by regional mayors

    * Burnham will argue that giving mayors new powers and funding to deliver social housing, tackle welfare dependency and run post-16 education will boost economic growth across the country

    * This in return will reduce the dependency of the north and Midlands on tax “handouts” from London and the southeast

    * Burnham will commit himself to spending a significant amount of his expected premiership in a “No10 of the North” to show his commitment to devolution and rebalancing the economy

    * He is also expected to set out plans for a “devolution-first” agenda across Whitehall, under which departments will be expected to assess which areas of their responsibility and funding should be transferred to regional governments

    * It is likely to reduce the size of Whitehall as swathes of roles in departments such as transport, education and work and pensions are devolved

    * The National Office of Statistics calculates that people in London pay £24,400 in tax on average but get back just £19,500 in spending on public services. In the southeast they pay in £17,600 and get £15,900 back. Yet in the northwest they pay £12,700 in taxes and get back £17,300 in public spending. In the northeast it is £11,200 and £17,400 respectively

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2070610431652049215

    You know what, the UK does have a very unusually centralised government. And it has an unusually dominant capital city (plus suburbs extending beyond 'official' London).

    If he succeeded in meaningful devolution to other major cities and regions that would be a good thing. More geographically diverse engines of growth would be a good thing for the country.
    But look at the poor quality of leadership in terms of councils and mayors. They are going to need much better candidates before this becomes a workable plan.

    I am all for the idea of key decisions being made as close to the people who will be most affected but only by good quality local representatives.

    And if this is going to happen, the council consultation process needs a complete overhaul. Such things are treated as a tick box exercise with councils doing what they intended from the outset.

    So make consultations properly binding and limited to local residents and businesses. Not anyone who has Internet access.

    Well the present setup has hardly helped those in places like Makerfield, whatever comes next won't be worse.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,658

    Assuming that Burnham gets massive devolution passed before the next election, do the Tories and Reform campaign to reverse it, or would it be here to stay and they accept it's too difficult to undo and policitally unpopular to take power from the regions and send it to Whitehall ?

    I hope not. As long as it works. Proper devolution of power from the centre is the first thing I have heard from Burnham that I can agree with.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,267
    edited 9:24PM

    Since the 1980s, Scotland, Wales, the North of England and the Midlands have sacrificed jobs and prosperity whilst London and the South East have become ever richer. It’s time London took a share of the suffering. We never hear of mass redundancies of civil servants and consultants, only engineers, factory workers, steelworkers and other productive trades. Currently its Aberdeen oil and gas engineers whose jobs are being replaced by platitudes. Time for some proper levelling up. Go Andy!

    London unemployment is 6.8%, Wales 6.1%, North East unemployment is 5.6%, the North West is 5%, Yorkshire is 5.4%, the East Midlands is 5.7%, the West Midlands 5.9%.

    South East unemployment is 4.1%, Scottish unemployment is 3.8%.

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/bulletins/regionallabourmarket/december2025

    Fewer own a property in London than in the rest of the UK with more renting
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,797
    edited 9:26PM
    That's the problem with winning a massive majority on a brilliant slogan like "Levelling Up".
    Some bugger will eventually come along and try to actually do it.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,650
    HYUFD said:

    Since the 1980s, Scotland, Wales, the North of England and the Midlands have sacrificed jobs and prosperity whilst London and the South East have become ever richer. It’s time London took a share of the suffering. We never hear of mass redundancies of civil servants and consultants, only engineers, factory workers, steelworkers and other productive trades. Currently its Aberdeen oil and gas engineers whose jobs are being replaced by platitudes. Time for some proper levelling up. Go Andy!

    London unemployment is 6.8%, Wales 6.1%, North East unemployment is 5.6%, the North West is 5%, Yorkshire is 5.4%, the East Midlands is 5.7%, the West Midlands 5.9%.

    South East unemployment is 4.1%, Scottish unemployment is 3.8%.

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/bulletins/regionallabourmarket/december2025

    Fewer own a property in London than in the rest of the UK with more renting
    Those feckless Londoners need to get on their bikes and look for work.

    Lime bikes.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,089
    kle4 said:

    kinabalu said:

    malcolmg said:

    FF43 said:

    MattW said:

    FF43 said:

    I always thought there was something a bit bogus about Kate Forbes

    Kate Forbes has shared a stage with hard-right politicians and influencers at an 'anti-woke' conference in London.

    The former SNP deputy first minister spoke at the event co-founded by Jordan Peterson and attended by far-right European parties


    https://bsky.app/profile/scotnational.bsky.social/post/3mp6uyimib62k

    That's quite Parish Pump Scotland from the National.

    There's a list too long to repost, starting with Nigel Farage, Kemi Badenoch and Boris Johnson.

    It is Alliance for Responsible Citizenship (ARC); I'd probably term them culture war and USA religious right, rather than fundamentally "hard-right". "Anti-woke" with a focus on "personal morality" probably gets the style, though with peeps from the Trump regime and AFD etc will be present.

    Ben Houchen, Esther McVey and Sarah Pochin are also there.

    More detail: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/alliance-for-responsible-citizenship-arc-conference-farage-london-olympia-b1286811.html

    The key organiser is aiui Baroness Stroud, who is a mover and shaker everywhere on the Right - not dissimilar to Danny Kruger in views imo.
    The issue I have with Kate Forbes. She has always had this line that she has the simple sincere belief of people from the Highlands, I can do no other.

    I'm doubtful that she does have a simple sincere belief but (a) I'm a tolerant and understanding person and (b) it's none of my business what she does believe. I would give her the benefit of any irrelevant doubt if only Forbes was equally tolerant and understanding of other people's different but sincere beliefs.

    Then she goes and signs up with a bunch of nativist ideologues, many of them actual frauds, who wouldn't recognise a Judeo-Christian value if it bit them in the ass.
    Must say I have not ever heard her say a bad thing about anyone. She is entitled to her views and seems to keep them to herself.
    She's genuinely popular in the Highlands. But is certainly out-of-kilter with the ruling SNP worldview, as she's a social conservative and has an interest and expertise in economics - not something you could accuse Nicola et al of.
    Further to this....

    https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,kate-forbes-christian-viewpoints-being-squeezed-out-of-uk-politics

    On assisted dying, she said: “One prominent campaigner railed against undeclared personal religious beliefs… in the debate and dismissed arguments from those who were guided by faith. But nobody demands that of anybody subscribing to the new faith, the new ideologies and the new philosophies of our day.

    “Their moral framework, their basis of decision-making, is accepted without question, as though anybody who is free of the burden of an inner conscience grounded in historical truths is unbiased and unprejudiced.

    “Those who hold to those truths – those truths that have birthed such great freedoms and liberties across the ages – are excluded by default.”
    But religious faith is not "grounded in historical truths".
    Not in the sense she means, but I do think some people have been a bit over the top in demanding people not use their religious convictions when deciding on the issue, since everyone will be using their own moral convictions even if not religiously based.
    Yes, you can't expect somebody with religious faith to always put that in a jar when deciding their position on something. A problem does arise, though, if they aren't honest about it. Eg when they present their position as being due to other reasons. This does happen.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,267

    * The south is paying the price for economic failure in the north, Andy Burnham is expected to say next week as he unveils radical plans to devolve powers and money from central government to England’s regions

    * In his first big policy speech since Sir Keir Starmer’s resignation as prime minister, Burnham will set out an economic strategy under which Whitehall budgets will be slashed and money diverted to be spent by regional mayors

    * Burnham will argue that giving mayors new powers and funding to deliver social housing, tackle welfare dependency and run post-16 education will boost economic growth across the country

    * This in return will reduce the dependency of the north and Midlands on tax “handouts” from London and the southeast

    * Burnham will commit himself to spending a significant amount of his expected premiership in a “No10 of the North” to show his commitment to devolution and rebalancing the economy

    * He is also expected to set out plans for a “devolution-first” agenda across Whitehall, under which departments will be expected to assess which areas of their responsibility and funding should be transferred to regional governments

    * It is likely to reduce the size of Whitehall as swathes of roles in departments such as transport, education and work and pensions are devolved

    * The National Office of Statistics calculates that people in London pay £24,400 in tax on average but get back just £19,500 in spending on public services. In the southeast they pay in £17,600 and get £15,900 back. Yet in the northwest they pay £12,700 in taxes and get back £17,300 in public spending. In the northeast it is £11,200 and £17,400 respectively

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2070610431652049215

    Londoners get more spent on them than anyone else.

    And the buggers still complain.
    As they contribute even more in tax
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 23,131

    Ratters said:

    * The south is paying the price for economic failure in the north, Andy Burnham is expected to say next week as he unveils radical plans to devolve powers and money from central government to England’s regions

    * In his first big policy speech since Sir Keir Starmer’s resignation as prime minister, Burnham will set out an economic strategy under which Whitehall budgets will be slashed and money diverted to be spent by regional mayors

    * Burnham will argue that giving mayors new powers and funding to deliver social housing, tackle welfare dependency and run post-16 education will boost economic growth across the country

    * This in return will reduce the dependency of the north and Midlands on tax “handouts” from London and the southeast

    * Burnham will commit himself to spending a significant amount of his expected premiership in a “No10 of the North” to show his commitment to devolution and rebalancing the economy

    * He is also expected to set out plans for a “devolution-first” agenda across Whitehall, under which departments will be expected to assess which areas of their responsibility and funding should be transferred to regional governments

    * It is likely to reduce the size of Whitehall as swathes of roles in departments such as transport, education and work and pensions are devolved

    * The National Office of Statistics calculates that people in London pay £24,400 in tax on average but get back just £19,500 in spending on public services. In the southeast they pay in £17,600 and get £15,900 back. Yet in the northwest they pay £12,700 in taxes and get back £17,300 in public spending. In the northeast it is £11,200 and £17,400 respectively

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2070610431652049215

    You know what, the UK does have a very unusually centralised government. And it has an unusually dominant capital city (plus suburbs extending beyond 'official' London).

    If he succeeded in meaningful devolution to other major cities and regions that would be a good thing. More geographically diverse engines of growth would be a good thing for the country.
    But look at the poor quality of leadership in terms of councils and mayors. They are going to need much better candidates before this becomes a workable plan.

    I am all for the idea of key decisions being made as close to the people who will be most affected but only by good quality local representatives.

    And if this is going to happen, the council consultation process needs a complete overhaul. Such things are treated as a tick box exercise with councils doing what they intended from the outset.

    So make consultations properly binding and limited to local residents and businesses. Not anyone who has Internet access.

    There may be something in what you say, but consider the quality of sucessful candidates we have had for the role of PM over the last decade and weep. Then consider the quality of the rejected candidates and laugh hysterically. With a few exceptions, I don't particularly think it's that we've had a run of unusually terrible people- it's just that the job, as currently constructed, is all but impossible. Which is why I'm dubious about the "we should keep chucking politicians on the fire until quality improves" model of democracy.

    Big city metromayor is a much smaller job than Secretary of State at Westminster. Good. That means it has the advantage of having a better chance of finding a range of people who can get on top of the job, rather than have the job get on top of them.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,812

    Assuming that Burnham gets massive devolution passed before the next election, do the Tories and Reform campaign to reverse it, or would it be here to stay and they accept it's too difficult to undo and policitally unpopular to take power from the regions and send it to Whitehall ?

    I hope not. As long as it works. Proper devolution of power from the centre is the first thing I have heard from Burnham that I can agree with.
    I'm starting to feel hope. God help me.
  • ManchesterKurtManchesterKurt Posts: 1,020
    HYUFD said:

    * The south is paying the price for economic failure in the north, Andy Burnham is expected to say next week as he unveils radical plans to devolve powers and money from central government to England’s regions

    * In his first big policy speech since Sir Keir Starmer’s resignation as prime minister, Burnham will set out an economic strategy under which Whitehall budgets will be slashed and money diverted to be spent by regional mayors

    * Burnham will argue that giving mayors new powers and funding to deliver social housing, tackle welfare dependency and run post-16 education will boost economic growth across the country

    * This in return will reduce the dependency of the north and Midlands on tax “handouts” from London and the southeast

    * Burnham will commit himself to spending a significant amount of his expected premiership in a “No10 of the North” to show his commitment to devolution and rebalancing the economy

    * He is also expected to set out plans for a “devolution-first” agenda across Whitehall, under which departments will be expected to assess which areas of their responsibility and funding should be transferred to regional governments

    * It is likely to reduce the size of Whitehall as swathes of roles in departments such as transport, education and work and pensions are devolved

    * The National Office of Statistics calculates that people in London pay £24,400 in tax on average but get back just £19,500 in spending on public services. In the southeast they pay in £17,600 and get £15,900 back. Yet in the northwest they pay £12,700 in taxes and get back £17,300 in public spending. In the northeast it is £11,200 and £17,400 respectively

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2070610431652049215

    Londoners get more spent on them than anyone else.

    And the buggers still complain.
    As they contribute even more in tax
    Presumably you are all on board with Burnham's proposals then ?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,267

    HYUFD said:

    * The south is paying the price for economic failure in the north, Andy Burnham is expected to say next week as he unveils radical plans to devolve powers and money from central government to England’s regions

    * In his first big policy speech since Sir Keir Starmer’s resignation as prime minister, Burnham will set out an economic strategy under which Whitehall budgets will be slashed and money diverted to be spent by regional mayors

    * Burnham will argue that giving mayors new powers and funding to deliver social housing, tackle welfare dependency and run post-16 education will boost economic growth across the country

    * This in return will reduce the dependency of the north and Midlands on tax “handouts” from London and the southeast

    * Burnham will commit himself to spending a significant amount of his expected premiership in a “No10 of the North” to show his commitment to devolution and rebalancing the economy

    * He is also expected to set out plans for a “devolution-first” agenda across Whitehall, under which departments will be expected to assess which areas of their responsibility and funding should be transferred to regional governments

    * It is likely to reduce the size of Whitehall as swathes of roles in departments such as transport, education and work and pensions are devolved

    * The National Office of Statistics calculates that people in London pay £24,400 in tax on average but get back just £19,500 in spending on public services. In the southeast they pay in £17,600 and get £15,900 back. Yet in the northwest they pay £12,700 in taxes and get back £17,300 in public spending. In the northeast it is £11,200 and £17,400 respectively

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2070610431652049215

    Londoners get more spent on them than anyone else.

    And the buggers still complain.
    As they contribute even more in tax
    Presumably you are all on board with Burnham's proposals then ?
    i don't have a problem with more devolution no
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,556
    Is Mr Burnham likely to be aware that England has a South West?
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,885
    Why physical media is important

    https://kotaku.com/playstation-store-movies-digital-studio-canal-terminator-2000711013

    PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies From Customers’ Accounts, Reminding Us Nothing Digital Is Ever Truly Ours
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,186

    Assuming that Burnham gets massive devolution passed before the next election, do the Tories and Reform campaign to reverse it, or would it be here to stay and they accept it's too difficult to undo and policitally unpopular to take power from the regions and send it to Whitehall ?

    I hope not. As long as it works. Proper devolution of power from the centre is the first thing I have heard from Burnham that I can agree with.
    I'm starting to feel hope. God help me.
    It’s the hope that kills you …..
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,640

    https://x.com/pietercleppe/status/2070528131794895345

    The EU Commission in Brussels has shut off airco, but only for the lower floors, where the lower ranks work:

    “It’s like feudalism,” a Commission official working on a lower level of the Berlaymont, granted anonymity to speak freely, told POLITICO on Friday, referring to the fact that upper floors housing commissioners got to keep their AC on. A second official agreed it was a “disgrace.”

    I'm very grateful that the Commission is thinking of EU taxpayers.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,186
    CatMan said:

    Why physical media is important

    https://kotaku.com/playstation-store-movies-digital-studio-canal-terminator-2000711013

    PlayStation Is Deleting 551 Movies From Customers’ Accounts, Reminding Us Nothing Digital Is Ever Truly Ours

    Smugly checks his LP, DVD and CD collection.
  • ManchesterKurtManchesterKurt Posts: 1,020
    AnneJGP said:

    Is Mr Burnham likely to be aware that England has a South West?

    I think that is thepoint of devolution

    Everywhere that has a mayor will soon find their mayor has loads more powers that previously

    Anywhere that currently does not have a mayor soon will and with massive powers
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,089
    algarkirk said:

    kinabalu said:

    malcolmg said:

    FF43 said:

    MattW said:

    FF43 said:

    I always thought there was something a bit bogus about Kate Forbes

    Kate Forbes has shared a stage with hard-right politicians and influencers at an 'anti-woke' conference in London.

    The former SNP deputy first minister spoke at the event co-founded by Jordan Peterson and attended by far-right European parties


    https://bsky.app/profile/scotnational.bsky.social/post/3mp6uyimib62k

    That's quite Parish Pump Scotland from the National.

    There's a list too long to repost, starting with Nigel Farage, Kemi Badenoch and Boris Johnson.

    It is Alliance for Responsible Citizenship (ARC); I'd probably term them culture war and USA religious right, rather than fundamentally "hard-right". "Anti-woke" with a focus on "personal morality" probably gets the style, though with peeps from the Trump regime and AFD etc will be present.

    Ben Houchen, Esther McVey and Sarah Pochin are also there.

    More detail: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/alliance-for-responsible-citizenship-arc-conference-farage-london-olympia-b1286811.html

    The key organiser is aiui Baroness Stroud, who is a mover and shaker everywhere on the Right - not dissimilar to Danny Kruger in views imo.
    The issue I have with Kate Forbes. She has always had this line that she has the simple sincere belief of people from the Highlands, I can do no other.

    I'm doubtful that she does have a simple sincere belief but (a) I'm a tolerant and understanding person and (b) it's none of my business what she does believe. I would give her the benefit of any irrelevant doubt if only Forbes was equally tolerant and understanding of other people's different but sincere beliefs.

    Then she goes and signs up with a bunch of nativist ideologues, many of them actual frauds, who wouldn't recognise a Judeo-Christian value if it bit them in the ass.
    Must say I have not ever heard her say a bad thing about anyone. She is entitled to her views and seems to keep them to herself.
    She's genuinely popular in the Highlands. But is certainly out-of-kilter with the ruling SNP worldview, as she's a social conservative and has an interest and expertise in economics - not something you could accuse Nicola et al of.
    Further to this....

    https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,kate-forbes-christian-viewpoints-being-squeezed-out-of-uk-politics

    On assisted dying, she said: “One prominent campaigner railed against undeclared personal religious beliefs… in the debate and dismissed arguments from those who were guided by faith. But nobody demands that of anybody subscribing to the new faith, the new ideologies and the new philosophies of our day.

    “Their moral framework, their basis of decision-making, is accepted without question, as though anybody who is free of the burden of an inner conscience grounded in historical truths is unbiased and unprejudiced.

    “Those who hold to those truths – those truths that have birthed such great freedoms and liberties across the ages – are excluded by default.”
    But religious faith is not "grounded in historical truths".
    That's OK framed as a question but won't do as an answer. Same problem as Forbes.
    Sorry but no. It works as a statement.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,089
    dixiedean said:

    That's the problem with winning a massive majority on a brilliant slogan like "Levelling Up".
    Some bugger will eventually come along and try to actually do it.

    Lol, yes. The Tories might end up wishing they'd never come up with it.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,153
    30 degrees in my living room right now, with the fan on!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,812

    30 degrees in my living room right now, with the fan on!

    We need an 'unlike' button.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,812
    kinabalu said:

    dixiedean said:

    That's the problem with winning a massive majority on a brilliant slogan like "Levelling Up".
    Some bugger will eventually come along and try to actually do it.

    Lol, yes. The Tories might end up wishing they'd never come up with it.
    "Levelling Up. Done Proper, like"
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,812

    Assuming that Burnham gets massive devolution passed before the next election, do the Tories and Reform campaign to reverse it, or would it be here to stay and they accept it's too difficult to undo and policitally unpopular to take power from the regions and send it to Whitehall ?

    I hope not. As long as it works. Proper devolution of power from the centre is the first thing I have heard from Burnham that I can agree with.
    I'm starting to feel hope. God help me.
    It’s the hope that kills you …..
    Well, yes, that or the heat.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,812
    WarMonitor🇺🇦🇬🇧
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    Huge Ukrainian drone raid ongoing toward the city of St Petersburg Russia.

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    Tic toc for Putin. The hour cometh.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,156

    Sounds like another disaster outing for Yusuf from Reform. This time QT.

    When is Farage going to ditch him before he drags the whole party down to the mid teens in polling?

    Given how he behaves like a troll online I assume he did so in person?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,156
    AnneJGP said:

    Is Mr Burnham likely to be aware that England has a South West?

    In an academic sense.

    The South West, the ignored lesser child of the South.
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