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  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,375
    edited 2:12PM

    MoanR said:

    Off topic.
    I read PB most days. It’s been ages since I have commented on PB. However:
    @Luckyguy1983 recently commented that:
    “Burnham's 'clean air zone' in Manchester is a black spot on his reputation.”
    Can I ask @Luckyguy1983 what is wrong with trying to improve air quality?
    Air pollution caused by vehicle emissions is a disaster for asthmatics and people with respiratory illness.
    Does anyone remember Ella Adoo Kissi-Debrah?
    Google summary. “The case of Ella Adoo Kissi-Debrah stands as a pivotal example of how vehicle pollution can lead to asthma-related deaths. Ella, a nine-year-old girl, tragically passed away due to asthma exacerbations caused by air pollution from road traffic. Her inquest revealed that air pollution, particularly from traffic emissions, was a significant contributory factor to her asthma and death.”
    I am hugely in favour of low emission zones and attempts to improve air quality. (Wife and I have an EV.)
    I have taken asthma medication for almost all of my life, but I don’t have the most serious type. I have only been hospitalised once and that was about 45 years ago.
    According to google there are about four asthma deaths in the UK each day.

    You have missed the point. Burnham caved on Manchester's clean air zone.
    He has missed the point, and so have you.

    The clean air zone has come up as a negative (trying to implement it, not caving on it, which shows wisdom if not courage), one of not very many, on the doorsteps of Makerfield. That prepares the ground for Burnham to be portrayed as on the side of green zealotry.

    As for Moanrs post, it is dreadfully sad that the young girl died, but she died from asthma. If someone's asthmatic condition means that them being in an area of high road traffic aggravates their condition to a potentially lethal extent, their parents, assisted where possible by the State, should move them somewhere different. The whole city cannot be turned on its axis because of one person's health needs - that is absurd. It is an even more perverse version of locking everyone up to protect the old and unfit during Covid. And it happens for similar reason - giving national power to single interest campaigns and quangos, who can then introduce deeply damaging economic and social havoc on everyone to pursue their single issue goal with no consideration for the wider implications.
    Incrementally increasing standards for the environment have been one of the great successes of the late 20th and earlier 21st century.
    Hemlines rising has been one of the great fashion successes of the 20th and 21st century. That doesn't mean that logically it is desirable that they should rise indefinitely or that any rise is good.
    You are completely mental sometimes.

    Reducing air pollution is unequivocally a good thing, and the whole point of building a strong economy and society is to reduce harm to people and improve their lives - air pollution is an important part of that, particularly if you live in a city.

    We probably understate the impact. The effect of ULEZ on rates of walking and cycling was remarkable - we have a very strong subconscious reaction to pollution.
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  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,575

    MoanR said:

    Off topic.
    I read PB most days. It’s been ages since I have commented on PB. However:
    @Luckyguy1983 recently commented that:
    “Burnham's 'clean air zone' in Manchester is a black spot on his reputation.”
    Can I ask @Luckyguy1983 what is wrong with trying to improve air quality?
    Air pollution caused by vehicle emissions is a disaster for asthmatics and people with respiratory illness.
    Does anyone remember Ella Adoo Kissi-Debrah?
    Google summary. “The case of Ella Adoo Kissi-Debrah stands as a pivotal example of how vehicle pollution can lead to asthma-related deaths. Ella, a nine-year-old girl, tragically passed away due to asthma exacerbations caused by air pollution from road traffic. Her inquest revealed that air pollution, particularly from traffic emissions, was a significant contributory factor to her asthma and death.”
    I am hugely in favour of low emission zones and attempts to improve air quality. (Wife and I have an EV.)
    I have taken asthma medication for almost all of my life, but I don’t have the most serious type. I have only been hospitalised once and that was about 45 years ago.
    According to google there are about four asthma deaths in the UK each day.

    You have missed the point. Burnham caved on Manchester's clean air zone.
    He has missed the point, and so have you.

    The clean air zone has come up as a negative (trying to implement it, not caving on it, which shows wisdom if not courage), one of not very many, on the doorsteps of Makerfield. That prepares the ground for Burnham to be portrayed as on the side of green zealotry.

    As for Moanrs post, it is dreadfully sad that the young girl died, but she died from asthma. If someone's asthmatic condition means that them being in an area of high road traffic aggravates their condition to a potentially lethal extent, their parents, assisted where possible by the State, should move them somewhere different. The whole city cannot be turned on its axis because of one person's health needs - that is absurd. It is an even more perverse version of locking everyone up to protect the old and unfit during Covid. And it happens for similar reason - giving national power to single interest campaigns and quangos, who can then introduce deeply damaging economic and social havoc on everyone to pursue their single issue goal with no consideration for the wider implications.
    Incrementally increasing standards for the environment have been one of the great successes of the late 20th and earlier 21st century.
    Hemlines rising has been one of the great fashion successes of the 20th and 21st century. That doesn't mean that logically it is desirable that they should rise indefinitely or that any rise is good.
    Are you sure?
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,575

    Is there ever a good excuse for an opener to be run out?

    I opened once with a guy who thought he was playing a test match - it was an evening 20 over bash. Every over I took one run of the first ball of the over, then he batted out the remaining 5 balls. Must have been 6 or 7 overs in.

    Reader - I ran him out.
    Dimly recall Botham once did that to Boycott.
    Brian Rose opened with Boycott and the pair set off at a funereal pace. In his book A Cricketing Hero Leo McKinstry wrote that as they prepared to head out, Rose said: "I suppose we're going to go out and slog it?" to which Boycott replied: "You play it your way, I'll play it mine."

    When Rose fell for 7 England had crawled to 25 for 1 after 80 minutes. Boycott was all at sea, barely able to get the ball off the square. Pushing for quick runs was the last thing he needed or was likely to do.

    Derek Randall came in to get things moving and was finding his feet when he was controversially run out by Ewen Chatfield while backing up. No warning was given, and England were livid. "New Zealand's reputation for fair play is in the gutter after the meanest act I have seen on a cricket field," was Pat Gibson's conclusion in the Daily Express.

    Botham was promoted to No. 4 by vice-captain Bob Willis with the aim of quick runs - and also with a specific order from Willis to "go and run the bugger [Boycott] out". Given the mental state of the tour party, it was a sentiment that probably echoed what they were all feeling.

    Botham's first job was to let Chatfield know what he thought of his behaviour, and he then walked on to meet Boycott, who told him how he was struggling. Botham smiled and told him not to worry, and that he would sort it.

    After 20 minutes the chance came. Botham called for the most improbable of singles, and by the time a bemused Boycott realised what was happening and tried to send his partner back, it was too late and Botham had run past him before he could regain his ground at the non-striker's end.

    "He never stood a chance," admitted Botham. "What have you done, what have you done," Boycott muttered as it dawned on him he was out. Botham's response - allegedly, "I've run you out, you ****" - has gone down in folklore. "I couldn't look at him," Botham added. "I cracked up and had to go for a walk around the back of the umpire."


    https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/rewind-to-1978-botham-to-boycott-i-ve-run-you-out-you-604169
    Great story but suffers from a lack of clarity over the starred-out word. I hope it was c**t.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,082

    Is there ever a good excuse for an opener to be run out?

    I opened once with a guy who thought he was playing a test match - it was an evening 20 over bash. Every over I took one run of the first ball of the over, then he batted out the remaining 5 balls. Must have been 6 or 7 overs in.

    Reader - I ran him out.
    Dimly recall Botham once did that to Boycott.
    Brian Rose opened with Boycott and the pair set off at a funereal pace. In his book A Cricketing Hero Leo McKinstry wrote that as they prepared to head out, Rose said: "I suppose we're going to go out and slog it?" to which Boycott replied: "You play it your way, I'll play it mine."

    When Rose fell for 7 England had crawled to 25 for 1 after 80 minutes. Boycott was all at sea, barely able to get the ball off the square. Pushing for quick runs was the last thing he needed or was likely to do.

    Derek Randall came in to get things moving and was finding his feet when he was controversially run out by Ewen Chatfield while backing up. No warning was given, and England were livid. "New Zealand's reputation for fair play is in the gutter after the meanest act I have seen on a cricket field," was Pat Gibson's conclusion in the Daily Express.

    Botham was promoted to No. 4 by vice-captain Bob Willis with the aim of quick runs - and also with a specific order from Willis to "go and run the bugger [Boycott] out". Given the mental state of the tour party, it was a sentiment that probably echoed what they were all feeling.

    Botham's first job was to let Chatfield know what he thought of his behaviour, and he then walked on to meet Boycott, who told him how he was struggling. Botham smiled and told him not to worry, and that he would sort it.

    After 20 minutes the chance came. Botham called for the most improbable of singles, and by the time a bemused Boycott realised what was happening and tried to send his partner back, it was too late and Botham had run past him before he could regain his ground at the non-striker's end.

    "He never stood a chance," admitted Botham. "What have you done, what have you done," Boycott muttered as it dawned on him he was out. Botham's response - allegedly, "I've run you out, you ****" - has gone down in folklore. "I couldn't look at him," Botham added. "I cracked up and had to go for a walk around the back of the umpire."


    https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/rewind-to-1978-botham-to-boycott-i-ve-run-you-out-you-604169
    Great story but suffers from a lack of clarity over the starred-out word. I hope it was c**t.
    Not enough missing letters for "convicted by a French court domestic abuser". I'll have another think.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,082
    edited 2:32PM

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    The bastard who murdered little Preston has been given a full life sentence.

    Shouldn't Reform and their friends be demanding white school teachers are vilified across the nation?

    Or the banning of adoption by gay men?
    That might be quite a likely demand from a hard of thinking politician I would have thought.
    You’re politicising it, no one else
    To be fair it was my suggestion of what Reform might say.
    Okay

    But that’s odd as you’re very much one of the rational people here. Deciding what Reform would say and condemning them for it is just odd.
    FFS. My beef is not what Reform have said here, but what they have not said.

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    The bastard who murdered little Preston has been given a full life sentence.

    Shouldn't Reform and their friends be demanding white school teachers are vilified across the nation?

    Or the banning of adoption by gay men?
    That might be quite a likely demand from a hard of thinking politician I would have thought.
    You’re politicising it, no one else
    To be fair it was my suggestion of what Reform might say.
    Okay

    But that’s odd as you’re very much one of the rational people here. Deciding what Reform would say and condemning them for it is just odd.
    FFS. My beef is not what Reform have said here, but what they have not said.
    Oh I think we all know what test Reform et al use when deciding which crimes to care about.



    Which side is more in favour of the death penalty for cases like this?
    I am very much in the top half of the chart. I abhor the death penalty. But on this occasion, for this ****, I can make an exception.
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