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  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    HYUFD said:

    kle4 Indeed, the hardliners in the NUT basically see their role as leading the class struggle while educating the kids on the side

    It is actually Blower who is standing against the far-left hardliner in this election. Presumably the line about industrial action is meant to counter the Socialist Party argument that the NUT has been too moderate during her term.
  • Y0kel said:

    You think something like that will make a difference if the West decides to do something?

    Nope.

    No, of course not. But let's not pretend that any Western intervention would take place under the colour of international law, by specious citations of irrelevant agreements.
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307

    Y0kel said:

    You think something like that will make a difference if the West decides to do something?

    Nope.

    No, of course not. But let's not pretend that any Western intervention would take place under the colour of international law, by specious citations of irrelevant agreements.
    Well thanks for suggesting I have the capacity to build a case for action by posting stuff on here.

    I pointed out that Chlorine gas use is prohibited not to justify an ounce, more for clarity for those on here who might be wondering what stuff used to keep a swimming pool clean is doing on the battlefield. i.e. it is considered chemical weapon under the Geneva protocol.

    I leave such details of interpretation to wonks and arseholes who like detail. Anyone who has read my posts on here know that I don't put much store behind any 'International law' other than realpolitik.

    And realpolitik turned its back on this use of Chlorine gas until the last 48 hours.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,880
    Neil Standing for the leadership of the NUT is a bit like standing for the leadership of the Workers' Revolutionary Party, a 'moderate' is an entirely relative term!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,880
    Presumably the far left candidate wants to personally march on Westminster and dangle Gove by his ankles in the Thames off Westminster Bridge!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,880
    In terms of Syria I think any intervention was killed off by the Westminster vote and the near unanimous opposition of the public in every western nation, including the US
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    HYUFD said:

    Neil Standing for the leadership of the NUT is a bit like standing for the leadership of the Workers' Revolutionary Party, a 'moderate' is an entirely relative term!

    The moderate is usually the one standing against the Workers' Revolutionary Party candidate. The vast majority of NUT members are moderate. The problem is that the far-left are much more organised.
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    edited April 2014
    HYUFD said:

    In terms of Syria I think any intervention was killed off by the Westminster vote and the near unanimous opposition of the public in every western nation, including the US

    Depends on what the intervention is. As the administration has realised that their belief that Russia is a friend that can be reasoned with (the now very dodgy looking Obama re-set) is not quite coming to pass, support for insurgents in Syria in terms of kit has increased.

    It's been doing it in the usual hands-off manner via the Saudis mainly, but the training and support of selected units (itself a moving feast) via Jordan continues.

    Syria is now a pawn in a new game. Put it this way, I said that the way this issue of the chlorine gas was going was that it looked to follow the Obama administration path of letting allies float the balloon before the US does.

    Thats exactly what has happened today, whether by design or pressure.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,880
    Neil More moderate teachers are actually increasingly moving to the NASUWT which is less prone to strike action, and is now the largest teachers' union, or the ATL (particularly popular with independent school teachers). That leaves the NUT even more a vehicle for the class warriors!
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    @HYUFD

    I think you grossly overestimate the number of class warriors in the teaching profession! Teachers, like most workers, are generally uninterested in the sectarian politics of those who seek to take over their trade unions. Most of them join the union they are in for reasons totally unconnected to the level of infiltration by these groups.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,880
    Neil That was not my point at all, the point is the NASUWT is increasing and has now overtaken the NUT in membership precisely because most of the most militant 'class warrior' teachers, who are a minority as you point out, are in the NUT.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,880
    YOKEL I would agree any action would most likely be taken by the US through allies in the region, night!
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    @HYUFD

    Obviously I disagree with your opinion but I think your facts are wrong too. According to the latest data on the certification officer's website the NUT has a larger membership.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,880
    The NASUWT now claims it is the largest teachers' union on its website, http://www.nasuwt.org.uk/, so take it up with them, night!
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    @HYUFD

    So does the NUT. In such a situation I think we have to go with the audited accounts and they dont support your narrative.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,880
    Neil Well whichever is right the fastest growth has been in the decidedly non-militant ATL, which now has over 120,000 members, and with that it really is good night!
  • JohnLoonyJohnLoony Posts: 1,790
    malcolmg said:

    JB, how can English people be racist against other English people. Have you been trying to read a paper all afternoon.

    It was amusing to read "The Beginnings of English Society" by Dorothy Whitelock (which covers the period from 448 to 1066) in which the "English" were the Anglo-Saxon-Jutes from Germany-Frisia-Denmark who, for centuries, wrote and thought about themselves and their culture/religion as if they were still Germans/Saxons/Jutes. The Britons' National Party of the time must have been really annoyed about the "English" coming over here pinching British jobs, ravishing British maidens and so on.
  • redcliffe62redcliffe62 Posts: 342
    Neil said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I see Gordon Broon is surfacing in Scotland tomorrow...

    Doing a riff about pensions again?
    The pension pot raider has a lot to answer for.
    Perhaps the MSM might mention his actual track record on the matter?
    We live in hope.

    Looks according to the Daily Express pensions are down the plughole in the UK as it stands now from their front page headline.

    How will Broon, that master of hope, happiness and spontaneity, conjure up a believable story that things are all great in the UK and that they will be worse in an indy Scotland?
    Even pensions office confirms that in EU pensions are safe no matter where you live.
    As Gore would say, an inconvenient truth.

    I still suspect some porky pies and scare mongering blasted wall to wall on BBC North Britainshire extolling the certainty of things being wonderful, in a future UK nirvanic utopia.

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