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This poll did not mention the names of candidates – just the parties. We do not know yet whether Diane James will be standing again for the purples. She is a great asset.
The classic dilemma arises for UKIP. Is this poll the justification for sticking with Diane James or do you ditch her for Farage a la Greens in Brighton?
I'm on UKIP to win Eastleigh at 16/1. How I'd love that to come off. Tough to hold that for a year though, and outbattle the LDs now they see this polling.
It's hard to believe the Lib-Dems could hold on to Eastleigh in a mid-term by election when they was at their nadir in terms of unpopularity, yet lose the seat in much more favourable conditions during a general election...
I was told on here that if the Eastleigh by-election had been a week later the Kippers would have taken the seats.
Looks like that was true.
The LDs in Eastleigh acknowledged that UKIP won most votes on polling day itself. They held the seat because of their superior postal voting operation.
So is UKIP now the "none of the above" protest party?
Able to claim that they are the new politics. Offer any fantasy policy that will gain them votes. And then dropped faster than a LibDem promise if offered a sniff of power?
It's hard to believe the Lib-Dems could hold on to Eastleigh in a mid-term by election when they was at their nadir in terms of unpopularity, yet lose the seat in much more favourable conditions during a general election...
I think that's a fair point, but on the other hand in 2015 the LDs will have 57 simultaneous seats to defend. In Eastleigh they could pour everything into just one.
EDIT: Plus UKIP are more popular now than they were in March 2013.
The classic dilemma arises for UKIP. Is this poll the justification for sticking with Diane James or do you ditch her for Farage a la Greens in Brighton?
I'm on UKIP to win Eastleigh at 16/1. How I'd love that to come off. Tough to hold that for a year though, and outbattle the LDs now they see this polling.
Think they'd be making a mistake if they parachuted Farage in - James has set it up and gives them a reasonable chance of at least 2 seats if Farage wins sonewhere else. If Farage jumps in, it makes it look like a one-man ego-trip.
I was told on here that if the Eastleigh by-election had been a week later the Kippers would have taken the seats.
Looks like that was true.
Probably. UKIP likely led among voters on the day. Lib Dems among postal voters
This is simply untrue the Lib Dems did lead amongst postal voters but also by a lesser amount amongst those who voted on the day - see Lord Ashcroft's post election poll for confirmation .
It's hard to believe the Lib-Dems could hold on to Eastleigh in a mid-term by election when they was at their nadir in terms of unpopularity, yet lose the seat in much more favourable conditions during a general election...
I think that's a fair point, but on the other hand in 2015 the LDs will have 57 simultaneous seats to defend. In Eastleigh they could pour everything into just one.
EDIT: Plus UKIP are more popular now than they were in March 2013.
What's more, they had the advantage of knowing when the by-election would be called, which their opponents did not.
With fixed term parliaments, everyone knows exactly when the election is going to be, five years in advance.
EDIT: This will also screw up the finely tuned LibDem postal vote operation.
It's hard to believe the Lib-Dems could hold on to Eastleigh in a mid-term by election when they was at their nadir in terms of unpopularity, yet lose the seat in much more favourable conditions during a general election...
I think that's a fair point, but on the other hand in 2015 the LDs will have 57 simultaneous seats to defend. In Eastleigh they could pour everything into just one.
EDIT: Plus UKIP are more popular now than they were in March 2013.
That is incorrect .The UKIP local election percentage is 6% down on what they actually achieved in 2013 LD 36% UKIP 33% Con 21% Lab 8% .
Interesting that the LibDems are still streets ahead for the local council (when do they elect?). That means it's not just a planning protest - rather, perhaps, UKIP are seen as a good challenger at Parliamentary level because of the by-election, but not yet that developed locally against well-known local LDs.
It's hard to believe the Lib-Dems could hold on to Eastleigh in a mid-term by election when they was at their nadir in terms of unpopularity, yet lose the seat in much more favourable conditions during a general election...
I think that's a fair point, but on the other hand in 2015 the LDs will have 57 simultaneous seats to defend. In Eastleigh they could pour everything into just one.
EDIT: Plus UKIP are more popular now than they were in March 2013.
That is incorrect .The UKIP local election percentage is 6% down on what they actually achieved in 2013 LD 36% UKIP 33% Con 21% Lab 8% .
I meant nationally, though you are correct and your figure is probably more relevant.
In my view Diane James is a far better candidate than Farage. Whatever she looks pretty likely to be elected as an MEP on May 22.
My information which is not guaranteed to be 100% correct is that if elected as an MEP she will not stand in Eastleigh in the GE and she will also resign her seat on Waverley council .
In my view Diane James is a far better candidate than Farage. Whatever she looks pretty likely to be elected as an MEP on May 22.
My information which is not guaranteed to be 100% correct is that if elected as an MEP she will not stand in Eastleigh in the GE and she will also resign her seat on Waverley council .
As OGH has tweeted but the thread post doesn't yet reflect, you can no longer get 4/1 on UKIP winning Eastleigh at Ladbrokes (who have lowered the odds to 2/1). Best odds are now 7/2 at PaddyPower.
As OGH has tweeted but the thread post doesn't yet reflect, you can no longer get 4/1 on UKIP winning Eastleigh at Ladbrokes (who have lowered the odds to 2/1). Best odds are now 7/2 at PaddyPower.
Head to Paddy, and hit max. THat 7/2 won't last long.
UKIP should surely stick with Diane James; so I hope they switch. Either way, they'd be smart to select ASAP as they need to bud a personal vote for their candidate.
That Eastleigh is a marginal won't shock anyone. But if the LDs really have to throw everything at it, they might have to take resource away from 2 other winnable local seats: Romsey and Winchester. So might be good for the Tories as these are far from certain Con holds.
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Most interesting aspect of this poll imo is not that UKIP are first, but that the Lib Dems have slipped behind the Tories. If that's happening in a seat where the Lib Dems are so dominant on a local level, it does suggest the Lib Dems will fare quite a lot worse in Lib Dem/Tory marginals next year than many predict.
On a related note, the 20/1 on Farage running in Eastleigh is also no longer available (Shadsy has cut it to 8/1). Best odds now 12/1 at Paddy Power, which is yet to move any odds based on this poll.
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Most interesting aspect of this poll imo is not that UKIP are first, but that the Lib Dems have slipped behind the Tories. If that's happening in a seat where the Lib Dems are so dominant on a local level, it does suggest the Lib Dems will fare quite a lot worse in Lib Dem/Tory marginals next year than many predict.
To some extent yes, but it is only 1 point on a constituency poll which has more MOE than a standard national VI poll. I'm not convinced it's as significant as it looks. Even UKIP's 4 point lead though great for them is pretty close to or within the MOE. Sampling for constituency polls is tough.
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I'm sceptical about the Eastleigh borough poll because that area includes Chandler's Ford which is by far the Tories' strongest area, so you wouldn't expect them to drop from 28% to 23%. They have their only councillors there for example.
On a related note, the 20/1 on Farage running in Eastleigh is also no longer available (Shadsy has cut it to 8/1). Best odds now 12/1 at Paddy Power, which is yet to move any odds based on this poll.
I think it'll be elsewhere but I've had a saver to combined stakes on other places...
On a related note, the 20/1 on Farage running in Eastleigh is also no longer available (Shadsy has cut it to 8/1). Best odds now 12/1 at Paddy Power, which is yet to move any odds based on this poll.
I think it'll be elsewhere but I've had a saver to combined stakes on other places...
Sorry for my ignorance, but I literally don't know what you mean. Can you explain what that sentence means for me?
I'm sceptical about the Eastleigh borough poll because that area includes Chandler's Ford which is by far the Tories' strongest area, so you wouldn't expect them to drop from 28% to 23%. They have their only councillors there for example.
In 2013 CC elections including Chandlers Ford they polled 21% borough wide . However you are correct to be sceptical as there are no elections in 3 Lib Dem wards this year
Simon Heffer: "The Tory party has been feeding tame journalists with a series of desperate smears against Nigel Farage and Ukip, alleging expenses fiddling (actually, they are allowances, which is a different matter) and accusations of bullying and shouting at Ukip HQ, of the kind that occurs in every other party HQ in my experience.
Mr Farage should be flattered. A year or two ago no one would have bothered smearing him or his party. They do so now because they know Ukip could win the European elections. If their opponents are reduced to such tactics, it jolly well should win."
I'm sceptical about the Eastleigh borough poll because that area includes Chandler's Ford which is by far the Tories' strongest area, so you wouldn't expect them to drop from 28% to 23%. They have their only councillors there for example.
In 2013 CC elections including Chandlers Ford they polled 21% borough wide . However you are correct to be sceptical as there are no elections in 2 Lib Dem wards this year
I was making a comparison between Eastleigh with and without Chandler's Ford.
On a related note, the 20/1 on Farage running in Eastleigh is also no longer available (Shadsy has cut it to 8/1). Best odds now 12/1 at Paddy Power, which is yet to move any odds based on this poll.
I think it'll be elsewhere but I've had a saver to combined stakes on other places...
Sorry for my ignorance, but I literally don't know what you mean. Can you explain what that sentence means for me?
I've backed the Thanets, if he stands in Eastleigh I will basically have 0 profit from where he is standing now - I think he stands in one of the Thanets but am not ruling Eastleigh out completely.
On a related note, the 20/1 on Farage running in Eastleigh is also no longer available (Shadsy has cut it to 8/1). Best odds now 12/1 at Paddy Power, which is yet to move any odds based on this poll.
I think it'll be elsewhere but I've had a saver to combined stakes on other places...
Sorry for my ignorance, but I literally don't know what you mean. Can you explain what that sentence means for me?
I've backed the Thanets, if he stands in Eastleigh I will basically have 0 profit from where he is standing now - I think he stands in one of the Thanets but am not ruling Eastleigh out completely.
Another poster (AndyJS?) has made this point in the past, but I don't think any of the Kent seats are good bets for UKIP purely because the Tories are coming off such a high base in most of them that the winning post will be very hard for UKIP to reach.
Since by UKIP's very nature they're probably going to piss off a good two-thirds of the residents of any constituency (women, gays, ethnic minorites, etc.), their ceiling is probably about 33%, so they need a seat which is traditionally a tight marginal so that the winning post is within their reach. By the looks of this poll, Eastleigh could be just the ticket. Thurrock and Camborne & Redruth could be even better.
Most interesting aspect of this poll imo is not that UKIP are first, but that the Lib Dems have slipped behind the Tories. If that's happening in a seat where the Lib Dems are so dominant on a local level, it does suggest the Lib Dems will fare quite a lot worse in Lib Dem/Tory marginals next year than many predict.
To some extent yes, but it is only 1 point on a constituency poll which has more MOE than a standard national VI poll. I'm not convinced it's as significant as it looks. Even UKIP's 4 point lead though great for them is pretty close to or within the MOE. Sampling for constituency polls is tough.
The poll was of only 506 people so MOE is about 4.5%. But but still great for UKIP; They appear to have momentum.
I'm sceptical about the Eastleigh borough poll because that area includes Chandler's Ford which is by far the Tories' strongest area, so you wouldn't expect them to drop from 28% to 23%. They have their only councillors there for example.
In 2013 CC elections including Chandlers Ford they polled 21% borough wide . However you are correct to be sceptical as there are no elections in 3 Lib Dem wards this year
OK , having looked at the full data tables , the local election figures do not include the Chandlers Ford wards but they do include the 3 LD wards which in fact have no elections this year . Before weighting all 3 main parties had GE VI figures of 90 voters each
Simon Heffer: "The Tory party has been feeding tame journalists with a series of desperate smears against Nigel Farage and Ukip, alleging expenses fiddling (actually, they are allowances, which is a different matter) and accusations of bullying and shouting at Ukip HQ, of the kind that occurs in every other party HQ in my experience.
Mr Farage should be flattered. A year or two ago no one would have bothered smearing him or his party. They do so now because they know Ukip could win the European elections. If their opponents are reduced to such tactics, it jolly well should win."
Now then Dave. When I pointed this out about a week a go I was told by a number of PB Hodges that it had feck all to do with Tory HQ....... I did point out the naivety of some people on here was a bit surprising(or words to that effect).
My Twitter feed has been full of pictures today of Yes Scotland campaigning and leafletting all over the country in the good weather. Nothing from Better Together. Must follow the wrong people.
My Twitter feed has been full of pictures today of Yes Scotland campaigning and leafletting all over the country in the good weather. Nothing from Better Together. Must follow the wrong people.
A campaign which requires people like Gordon Brown and Michael Forsyth to work together was always going to run into problems.
Simon Heffer: "The Tory party has been feeding tame journalists with a series of desperate smears against Nigel Farage and Ukip, alleging expenses fiddling (actually, they are allowances, which is a different matter) and accusations of bullying and shouting at Ukip HQ, of the kind that occurs in every other party HQ in my experience.
Mr Farage should be flattered. A year or two ago no one would have bothered smearing him or his party. They do so now because they know Ukip could win the European elections. If their opponents are reduced to such tactics, it jolly well should win."
Now then Dave. When I pointed this out about a week a go I was told by a number of PB Hodges that it had feck all to do with Tory HQ....... I did point out the naivety of some people on here was a bit surprising(or words to that effect).
When you are in one side of the table, with Simon Heffer, and everyone else is on the other... Time for a rethink surely?
Diane James is a formidable candidate, more so than Farage who needs to find his own seat. If she gets elected while he fails again we shall find out if UKIP are a real party or just a one man band.
If looking for better odds than 2/1 for the kippers it is 50/1 in Romsey, a similar seat demographically and with an unloved Tory incumbent. If there is a general groundswell to take the kippers past a couple of seats then this is their sort of seat, possibly with some overspill hype.
The classic dilemma arises for UKIP. Is this poll the justification for sticking with Diane James or do you ditch her for Farage a la Greens in Brighton?
I'm on UKIP to win Eastleigh at 16/1. How I'd love that to come off. Tough to hold that for a year though, and outbattle the LDs now they see this polling.
Think they'd be making a mistake if they parachuted Farage in - James has set it up and gives them a reasonable chance of at least 2 seats if Farage wins sonewhere else. If Farage jumps in, it makes it look like a one-man ego-trip.
Well at least this narrowing is happening now, with hopefully time to turn things round.
Unless BT have a big old re-think, then I wouldn't be optimistic. I agree with Fraser Nelson on relatively little, but he is spot on about Salmond being a good late stage campaigner. Yes clearly has the momentum.
I'll send you the £100 should Yes win - but I think it will be No still
I would never doubt the word of a PB betting gentleman (and if necessary I'll of course send the £44 odd to you, but growing more confident about Yes).
My Twitter feed has been full of pictures today of Yes Scotland campaigning and leafletting all over the country in the good weather. Nothing from Better Together. Must follow the wrong people.
A campaign which requires people like Gordon Brown and Michael Forsyth to work together was always going to run into problems.
'For our next poll, we also plan on introducing our standard likelihood to vote question as well – something that worked well in UK-wide elections, and which will benefit whichever side is better at getting its vote out.'
I can sort of see his shy No voter point, but since for much of the time hitherto Yes voters have been portrayed as slightly nutty no-hopers, I'd imagine there's at least as large a tranche of shy Yes voters.
I am well oiled so may be missing your irony. I hope I am. Dire, dire poll. Scotland stay with us.
Quite. Better Together need to sort their s**t out!
With the Commonwealth Games propaganda fest this summer, Salmond has a serious chance now. Anyone got any better ideas than an endless series of ludicrous scare stories that no-one believes?
Could be heading for the Quebec 1995 scenario where the YES campaign famously claimed they'd won a majority among their own people, ie. ethnically French Quebec voters.
With the Commonwealth Games propaganda fest this summer, Salmond has a serious chance now. Anyone got any better ideas than an endless series of ludicrous scare stories that no-one believes?
Things like currency union do need to be discussed. But you are right the focus needs to be on the positives!
I am well oiled so may be missing your irony. I hope I am. Dire, dire poll. Scotland stay with us.
Quite. Better Together need to sort their s**t out!
With the Commonwealth Games propaganda fest this summer, Salmond has a serious chance now. Anyone got any better ideas than an endless series of ludicrous scare stories that no-one believes?
Get rid of EdM and install a Scottish Labour leader.
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Looks like that was true.
Received wisdom is that the Lib Dems would do better where they have seats.
My betting strategy is underpinned by that theory.
Eep.
I'm on UKIP to win Eastleigh at 16/1. How I'd love that to come off. Tough to hold that for a year though, and outbattle the LDs now they see this polling.
Able to claim that they are the new politics. Offer any fantasy policy that will gain them votes. And then dropped faster than a LibDem promise if offered a sniff of power?
EDIT: Plus UKIP are more popular now than they were in March 2013.
Think they'd be making a mistake if they parachuted Farage in - James has set it up and gives them a reasonable chance of at least 2 seats if Farage wins sonewhere else. If Farage jumps in, it makes it look like a one-man ego-trip.
With fixed term parliaments, everyone knows exactly when the election is going to be, five years in advance.
EDIT: This will also screw up the finely tuned LibDem postal vote operation.
At the recent UKIP conference Ms James gave a rather dull speech about planning permission. I thought it was odd at the time. Not so odd now!
http://youtu.be/P0EpBG_juIY
LD 36% UKIP 33% Con 21% Lab 8% .
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/10775656/Nigel-Farage-is-staring-down-the-barrel-of-his-favourite-gun.html
"Elvis is alive and living on the moon, say liberal-democrats: If you believe LD lies, you will believe anything.
Do you want LD liars running your council?"
http://www.eastleighnews.co.uk/2014/04/ukip-v-lib-dems-in-war-of-words/
http://www.eastleighnews.co.uk/2014/04/police-station-closure-plan-sparks-protest/
At football they won the Skrill South this week so will be in the English fifth division next year.
The town's clearly on the up!
As OGH has tweeted but the thread post doesn't yet reflect, you can no longer get 4/1 on UKIP winning Eastleigh at Ladbrokes (who have lowered the odds to 2/1). Best odds are now 7/2 at PaddyPower.
That Eastleigh is a marginal won't shock anyone. But if the LDs really have to throw everything at it, they might have to take resource away from 2 other winnable local seats: Romsey and Winchester. So might be good for the Tories as these are far from certain Con holds.
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On a related note, the 20/1 on Farage running in Eastleigh is also no longer available (Shadsy has cut it to 8/1). Best odds now 12/1 at Paddy Power, which is yet to move any odds based on this poll.
Table 6, page 9
UKIP have Con 4.2%, Lab 14.1%, LD 11.7%, UKIP 92.9%
LD have Con 0, Lab 1.4%, LD 79.2%, UKIP 1%.
Not a lot of pro-LD tactical voting in Eastleigh.
Which Govt do you think would be better for
Jobs, Lab 30, Con 29, was Lab 33, Con 25 in October
Keeping Prices down, Lab 25, Con 24, In October it was Lab 28, Con 22
Improving living standards for people like you, Lab 31, Con 27, in October it was Lab 34 Con 25
"The Tory party has been feeding tame journalists with a series of desperate smears against Nigel Farage and Ukip, alleging expenses fiddling (actually, they are allowances, which is a different matter) and accusations of bullying and shouting at Ukip HQ, of the kind that occurs in every other party HQ in my experience.
Mr Farage should be flattered. A year or two ago no one would have bothered smearing him or his party. They do so now because they know Ukip could win the European elections.
If their opponents are reduced to such tactics, it jolly well should win."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2608144/SIMON-HEFFER-Its-time-grab-Putin-roubles.html
Since by UKIP's very nature they're probably going to piss off a good two-thirds of the residents of any constituency (women, gays, ethnic minorites, etc.), their ceiling is probably about 33%, so they need a seat which is traditionally a tight marginal so that the winning post is within their reach. By the looks of this poll, Eastleigh could be just the ticket. Thurrock and Camborne & Redruth could be even better.
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Gap narrowing even further.
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Before weighting all 3 main parties had GE VI figures of 90 voters each
So squeaky bum time for Better together
Night all.
If looking for better odds than 2/1 for the kippers it is 50/1 in Romsey, a similar seat demographically and with an unloved Tory incumbent. If there is a general groundswell to take the kippers past a couple of seats then this is their sort of seat, possibly with some overspill hype.
150 days to go.
Yes 48% No 52% excluding undecideds
FPT: CON @ 22%. Crossover coming up ?
Ooft, as we say in the purlieus of Pollok
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OUR poll today suggests that an independent Scotland is within touching distance - the Yes Campaign continues to win the hearts and minds of the Scottish electorate (or perhaps, the No Campaign are losing them) and the race could be viewed as neck and neck.
At first glance, we should not be surprised. Since ICM began polling for Scotland on Sunday we have seen the Yes share increase from 32% last September, to 37% in January and February, to 39% in March, to 42% this month. When we strip out the Don’t Knows, this equates to a real Yes share rising from 40% last September to 48% now. On this trend, the arrival of the first poll suggesting a Yes lead should not be too long a wait.
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/referendum-race-on-knife-edge-as-no-support-slides-1-3382125
Yes 39%
No 42%
D/K 19%
42-46 April 2014 (today)
39-46 March 2014
37-49 Feb 2014
37-44 Jan 2014
32-49 Sep 2013
Dire, dire poll.
Scotland stay with us.
(and if necessary I'll of course send the £44 odd to you, but growing more confident about Yes).
Worse together.
http://www.scotsman.com/news/martin-boon-a-pollster-entering-uncharted-waters-1-3382088
Win or lose, the best politician in the UK by a country mile.
This stuck out:
'For our next poll, we also plan on introducing our standard likelihood to vote question as well – something that worked well in UK-wide elections, and which will benefit whichever side is better at getting its vote out.'
I can sort of see his shy No voter point, but since for much of the time hitherto Yes voters have been portrayed as slightly nutty no-hopers, I'd imagine there's at least as large a tranche of shy Yes voters.
Unless it's an Easter holidays outlier.
Anyone got any better ideas than an endless series of ludicrous scare stories that no-one believes?
Yes 42%
No 40%
DK 18%
Could be heading for the Quebec 1995 scenario where the YES campaign famously claimed they'd won a majority among their own people, ie. ethnically French Quebec voters.