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The politics of oil – politicalbetting.com

Now, the two charts are the initial conditions. The reaction will change who loses out. Already tankers inbound to Western countries are being diverted as Asian countries bid more for their cargos.

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  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,128
    After a bit of a gap post Covid my wife and I are in the process of renewing our passports. I must say this seems a bit of an overreaction to that.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 36,679
    Very timely header - thanks @Malmesbury.

    Feels like we've been on the road to Hell in a handcart for the past 10 years. Oh for the Blair years ;-)
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 127,300
    I will have so much fun with this.

    In a further sign of the UK’s shifting constitutional politics, Scotland’s first minister, John Swinney, has tentatively allied himself with Sinn Féin’s deputy leader, Michelle O’Neill, the first minister of Northern Ireland’s power-sharing government – an alignment that was previously politically unthinkable.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 78,582
    edited 7:12AM
    Thanks Malmesbury.

    So if I have understood the charts correctly, crudely (no pun intended) in this country this starts to have a dramatic impact on air travel at the end of the week and knock on effects on everything else after that?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 78,582
    DavidL said:

    After a bit of a gap post Covid my wife and I are in the process of renewing our passports. I must say this seems a bit of an overreaction to that.

    Trump has never liked lawyers who prosecute men for historic sex crimes against children.

    Can't think why.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 17,122
    edited 7:14AM
    Morning all.
    Good Growth Foundation, new boys with the BPC have issued their second poll this morning. Little late releasing as f/w ended 1 April

    Ref 27 (-1)
    Lab 20 (=)
    Con 19 (-1)
    Grn 15 (+3)
    LD 12 (=)
    SNP 2 (-1)
    PC 1 (=)

    Oth 4 (+1)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 135,320
    Looks like the UK won't be too affected then, has lower imports of oil from the Gulf region than the US as well as Asia
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,128
    The next 24 hours are going to be fairly critical so far as these shortages are concerned. If Trump follows through on his decimation (one in 10 doesn't seem that ambitious, but there we are) of bridges and power plants Iran is going to do its best to damage as much oil infrastructure in the Gulf as they can. If they succeed whether the Straits are opened up or not we are facing the biggest disruption in oil supplies we have ever witnessed and it will take years to return the markets to anything like normal.

    Or Trump can TACO. We can only all wait and hope.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 135,320
    edited 7:17AM

    Morning all.
    Good Growth Foundation, new boys with the BPC have issued their second poll this morning. Little late releasing as f/w ended 1 April

    Ref 27 (-1)
    Lab 20 (=)
    Con 19 (-1)
    Grn 15 (+3)
    LD 12 (=)
    SNP 2 (-1)
    PC 1 (=)

    Oth 4 (+1)

    Better poll for Starmer, Reform and the Conservatives down and Labour still second ahead of the Greens and Conservatives
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 17,122
    HYUFD said:

    Morning all.
    Good Growth Foundation, new boys with the BPC have issued their second poll this morning. Little late releasing as f/w ended 1 April

    Ref 27 (-1)
    Lab 20 (=)
    Con 19 (-1)
    Grn 15 (+3)
    LD 12 (=)
    SNP 2 (-1)
    PC 1 (=)

    Oth 4 (+1)

    Better poll for Starmer, Reform and the Conservatives down and Labour still second ahead of the Greens and Conservatives
    Haven't spotted the weeks YouGov yet, although tbf they sometimes go a day later on BH weekends
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 135,320

    HYUFD said:

    Morning all.
    Good Growth Foundation, new boys with the BPC have issued their second poll this morning. Little late releasing as f/w ended 1 April

    Ref 27 (-1)
    Lab 20 (=)
    Con 19 (-1)
    Grn 15 (+3)
    LD 12 (=)
    SNP 2 (-1)
    PC 1 (=)

    Oth 4 (+1)

    Better poll for Starmer, Reform and the Conservatives down and Labour still second ahead of the Greens and Conservatives
    Surely it's the Greens who are up, everything else is noise
    The Greens up only to 4th when Ashcroft's poll has them tied first now is a relatively poor result for Polanski with this pollster still
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,783
    Interesting insight into the election prospects of Orban and the ramifications if he loses for Russia/US.

    https://www.npr.org/2026/04/05/nx-s1-5770205/will-hungarys-far-right-leader-viktor-orban-be-voted-out-of-power
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,543
    DavidL said:

    The next 24 hours are going to be fairly critical so far as these shortages are concerned. If Trump follows through on his decimation (one in 10 doesn't seem that ambitious, but there we are) of bridges and power plants Iran is going to do its best to damage as much oil infrastructure in the Gulf as they can. If they succeed whether the Straits are opened up or not we are facing the biggest disruption in oil supplies we have ever witnessed and it will take years to return the markets to anything like normal.

    Or Trump can TACO. We can only all wait and hope.

    It’s going to be harder to climb down this time .

    But we can live in hope .
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,926
    A lot more from the Goldman Sachs report on oil shortages here:

    https://bsky.app/profile/chriso-wiki.bsky.social/post/3miqdf2v6i52w
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 62,221
    ydoethur said:

    Thanks Malmesbury.

    So if I have understood the charts correctly, crudely (no pun intended) in this country this starts to have a dramatic impact on air travel at the end of the week and knock on effects on everything else after that?

    That’s my guess.

    And consider this. China has been buying influence for a decade or 2. Outright bribes, in many cases.

    What will they accept? Damage to their economy, or demanding what they need at less than the market price?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,129
    nico67 said:

    DavidL said:

    The next 24 hours are going to be fairly critical so far as these shortages are concerned. If Trump follows through on his decimation (one in 10 doesn't seem that ambitious, but there we are) of bridges and power plants Iran is going to do its best to damage as much oil infrastructure in the Gulf as they can. If they succeed whether the Straits are opened up or not we are facing the biggest disruption in oil supplies we have ever witnessed and it will take years to return the markets to anything like normal.

    Or Trump can TACO. We can only all wait and hope.

    It’s going to be harder to climb down this time .

    But we can live in hope .
    If anyone can, the Donald can.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 59,219
    Trump diesel tax update

    Local garage diesel now at £1.94
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 62,221
    HYUFD said:

    Looks like the UK won't be too affected then, has lower imports of oil from the Gulf region than the US as well as Asia

    Tankers are turning round. Now.

    Which means that deliveries from other sources will start failing to come here.

    Who has the most money, out of the U.K. and China?

    Who has the most “pull”?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,926
    DavidL said:

    The next 24 hours are going to be fairly critical so far as these shortages are concerned. If Trump follows through on his decimation (one in 10 doesn't seem that ambitious, but there we are) of bridges and power plants Iran is going to do its best to damage as much oil infrastructure in the Gulf as they can. If they succeed whether the Straits are opened up or not we are facing the biggest disruption in oil supplies we have ever witnessed and it will take years to return the markets to anything like normal.

    Or Trump can TACO. We can only all wait and hope.

    Markets are slightly up this morning. That is a lot of confidence in the TACO theory.

  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,309
    Wait, I knew the weapons officer was unusually high ranking, but he’s Christ now?

    Hegseth: "Shot down on a Friday -- Good Friday -- hidden in a cave, a crevice, all of Saturday. And rescued on Sunday. Flown out of Iran as the sun was rising on Easter. God is good."

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2041208634076516416?s=46&t=fJymV-V84rexmlQMLXHHJQ
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 102,146

    Wait, I knew the weapons officer was unusually high ranking, but he’s Christ now?

    Hegseth: "Shot down on a Friday -- Good Friday -- hidden in a cave, a crevice, all of Saturday. And rescued on Sunday. Flown out of Iran as the sun was rising on Easter. God is good."

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2041208634076516416?s=46&t=fJymV-V84rexmlQMLXHHJQ

    Hegseth been at the bottle again i see.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,128
    This is quite interesting: https://senateleadershipfund.org/press-releases/slf-announces-initial-342-million-investment-in-2026-senate-races/

    The spending plans of a super PAC focused on the Republicans retaining the Senate. What it shows is that despite claiming to be aggressive they are pouring money into defence:
    $15 million in Alaska
    $44 million in Georgia
    $29 million in Iowa
    $42 million in Maine
    $45 million in Michigan
    $17 million in New Hampshire
    $71 million in North Carolina
    $79 million in Ohio

    $79m for Ohio? A State that Trump won by double digits? Their internal polling must be at least as bad as the published material.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,543
    US gas prices now averaging 4.14 dollars a gallon and 5.64 dollars a gallon for diesel. The latter is nearly 2 dollars more than before the war started .

    Pretty sure we wouldn’t be seeing this war if we were closer to the mid-terms !

  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,350

    Trump diesel tax update

    Local garage diesel now at £1.94

    Several of the petol stations on the A1 have been out of deisel since last Thursday but I suspect that is buying combined with the Easter weekend.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 71,206

    HYUFD said:

    Looks like the UK won't be too affected then, has lower imports of oil from the Gulf region than the US as well as Asia

    Tankers are turning round. Now.

    Which means that deliveries from other sources will start failing to come here.

    Who has the most money, out of the U.K. and China?

    Who has the most “pull”?
    Far too complacent by @HYUFD, not least because the fuel price increases so far are hiiting the COL plus the increase in mortgage rates
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 135,320

    HYUFD said:

    Looks like the UK won't be too affected then, has lower imports of oil from the Gulf region than the US as well as Asia

    Tankers are turning round. Now.

    Which means that deliveries from other sources will start failing to come here.

    Who has the most money, out of the U.K. and China?

    Who has the most “pull”?
    We should drill more in the North Sea again though
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 8,087
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Morning all.
    Good Growth Foundation, new boys with the BPC have issued their second poll this morning. Little late releasing as f/w ended 1 April

    Ref 27 (-1)
    Lab 20 (=)
    Con 19 (-1)
    Grn 15 (+3)
    LD 12 (=)
    SNP 2 (-1)
    PC 1 (=)

    Oth 4 (+1)

    Better poll for Starmer, Reform and the Conservatives down and Labour still second ahead of the Greens and Conservatives
    Surely it's the Greens who are up, everything else is noise
    The Greens up only to 4th when Ashcroft's poll has them tied first now is a relatively poor result for Polanski with this pollster still
    An increase is an increase. An increase with a pollster where they have been polling badly is good. It's the only change that isn't just margin of error.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,840
    FPT…

    Taz said:

    Another Resident Doctors strike. Another 6 days.

    When, or how, does this end ?

    The govt made a rod for their own back caving to these jokers when they first came to power.

    I think we should pay doctors.

    Lets pay for it by firing their managers. The NHS is an absurd mountain of structures piled on top of structures taking cash away from actual healthcare.
    No, it’s not. The NHS employs fewer managers than many comparable health services and yet has made major cuts in NHS England staff in recent years and are cutting further with the merger with DHSC.

    Good management is important for good healthcare. We’re in the middle of an AI revolution, for example. Who is going to work out which products are safe and efficacious and how best to integrate them into current service? It’s far more efficient to give that problem to a small team of experts rather than just dumping the problem on frontline staff.

    That said, there are issues with the structures of the NHS. Too much is unnecessarily devolved to a local level. The internal market discourages cooperation, while structures generally encourage cost shifting. Every hospital does things in a slightly different way.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,128

    Trump diesel tax update

    Local garage diesel now at £1.94

    Several of the petol stations on the A1 have been out of deisel since last Thursday but I suspect that is buying combined with the Easter weekend.
    Most of the petrol stations in Dundee have been out of petrol over the weekend. Diesel a little more available. At the moment I think this is mainly panic buying but real shortages are not far away.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,360
    edited 7:45AM
    One outcome of this episode I suspect is it's over for America in Asia. Individual countries will do deals with Iran and China will fill the Trump sized vacuum. Massive implications for America's erstwhile allies in the region, most obviously Taiwan, but also Korea, Japan and Australia.

    Much discussion of the effect of Trump on Europe and NATO but the Asian earthquake might be even bigger.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 71,206
    kle4 said:

    Wait, I knew the weapons officer was unusually high ranking, but he’s Christ now?

    Hegseth: "Shot down on a Friday -- Good Friday -- hidden in a cave, a crevice, all of Saturday. And rescued on Sunday. Flown out of Iran as the sun was rising on Easter. God is good."

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2041208634076516416?s=46&t=fJymV-V84rexmlQMLXHHJQ

    Hegseth been at the bottle again i see.
    He certainly brings Christianity into disrepute

    Horrible man
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,926
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Looks like the UK won't be too affected then, has lower imports of oil from the Gulf region than the US as well as Asia

    Tankers are turning round. Now.

    Which means that deliveries from other sources will start failing to come here.

    Who has the most money, out of the U.K. and China?

    Who has the most “pull”?
    We should drill more in the North Sea again though
    That isn't going to help much in the next few months and in the longer term irrelevant in terms of supply.

    I am supportive of continued exploration and extraction in the North Sea as a form of import substitution, but the real need is renewables.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,840
    DavidL said:

    The next 24 hours are going to be fairly critical so far as these shortages are concerned. If Trump follows through on his decimation (one in 10 doesn't seem that ambitious, but there we are) of bridges and power plants Iran is going to do its best to damage as much oil infrastructure in the Gulf as they can. If they succeed whether the Straits are opened up or not we are facing the biggest disruption in oil supplies we have ever witnessed and it will take years to return the markets to anything like normal.

    Or Trump can TACO. We can only all wait and hope.

    An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,878
    edited 7:47AM
    Interesting header.

    The 60% of Yank shipping/heating oil is interesting - presumably one reason Chump wanted Venezuela back in the Empire.

    I think the one things missing on oil are the stock levels, where if I understand it, richer Asian countries (incl. China) have 6-8 months, Europe has 3 months, and the USA has about 6 weeks.
  • eekeek Posts: 33,185

    FPT…

    Taz said:

    Another Resident Doctors strike. Another 6 days.

    When, or how, does this end ?

    The govt made a rod for their own back caving to these jokers when they first came to power.

    I think we should pay doctors.

    Lets pay for it by firing their managers. The NHS is an absurd mountain of structures piled on top of structures taking cash away from actual healthcare.
    No, it’s not. The NHS employs fewer managers than many comparable health services and yet has made major cuts in NHS England staff in recent years and are cutting further with the merger with DHSC.

    Good management is important for good healthcare. We’re in the middle of an AI revolution, for example. Who is going to work out which products are safe and efficacious and how best to integrate them into current service? It’s far more efficient to give that problem to a small team of experts rather than just dumping the problem on frontline staff.

    That said, there are issues with the structures of the NHS. Too much is unnecessarily devolved to a local level. The internal market discourages cooperation, while structures generally encourage cost shifting. Every hospital does things in a slightly different way.
    When it comes to AI don’t leave it to individuals to work out if it’s any good or not, LLMs are currently designed to flatter to device you.

    The legal terms for Co-pilot explicitly call it a toy not for business use and yet that’s how MS sells it
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,878

    Trump diesel tax update

    Local garage diesel now at £1.94

    Several of the petol stations on the A1 have been out of deisel since last Thursday but I suspect that is buying combined with the Easter weekend.
    (Checks)

    I paid £1.84 last night. ASDA.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,926
    MattW said:

    Interesting header.

    The 60% of Yank shipping/heating oil is interesting - presumably one reason Chump wanted Venezuela back in the Empire.

    I think the one things missing on oil are the stock levels, where if I understand it, richer Asian countries (incl. China) have 6-8 months, Europe has 3 months, and the USA has about 6 weeks.

    15/ Goldman assesses that the major economies have an average of about 40 days of crude oil in storage (the UK is uniquely exposed here, with only 14 days' worth), and an average of 37 days' worth of stored refined products (India has only 16 days' worth).

    https://bsky.app/profile/chriso-wiki.bsky.social/post/3miqdgkv4uo2w

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 62,221
    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Looks like the UK won't be too affected then, has lower imports of oil from the Gulf region than the US as well as Asia

    Tankers are turning round. Now.

    Which means that deliveries from other sources will start failing to come here.

    Who has the most money, out of the U.K. and China?

    Who has the most “pull”?
    We should drill more in the North Sea again though
    That isn't going to help much in the next few months and in the longer term irrelevant in terms of supply.

    I am supportive of continued exploration and extraction in the North Sea as a form of import substitution, but the real need is renewables.
    I would doubt you could get from lease to an exploration rig onsite in six months.

    The North Sea from this point is about not throwing away tax yield in the medium/long term.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,128

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Looks like the UK won't be too affected then, has lower imports of oil from the Gulf region than the US as well as Asia

    Tankers are turning round. Now.

    Which means that deliveries from other sources will start failing to come here.

    Who has the most money, out of the U.K. and China?

    Who has the most “pull”?
    We should drill more in the North Sea again though
    That isn't going to help much in the next few months and in the longer term irrelevant in terms of supply.

    I am supportive of continued exploration and extraction in the North Sea as a form of import substitution, but the real need is renewables.
    I would doubt you could get from lease to an exploration rig onsite in six months.

    The North Sea from this point is about not throwing away tax yield in the medium/long term.
    And gratuitously damaging our ruinous balance of payments even further.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,126
    Is there an opportunity there for Nigeria to increase oil exports?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,926
    DavidL said:

    Trump diesel tax update

    Local garage diesel now at £1.94

    Several of the petol stations on the A1 have been out of deisel since last Thursday but I suspect that is buying combined with the Easter weekend.
    Most of the petrol stations in Dundee have been out of petrol over the weekend. Diesel a little more available. At the moment I think this is mainly panic buying but real shortages are not far away.
    Gorgeous down here on the Wight today, and pleased to be here in our EV. Glad that I am not planning to fly anywhere until October. It is a good year for a domestic holiday.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,126
    eek said:

    FPT…

    Taz said:

    Another Resident Doctors strike. Another 6 days.

    When, or how, does this end ?

    The govt made a rod for their own back caving to these jokers when they first came to power.

    I think we should pay doctors.

    Lets pay for it by firing their managers. The NHS is an absurd mountain of structures piled on top of structures taking cash away from actual healthcare.
    No, it’s not. The NHS employs fewer managers than many comparable health services and yet has made major cuts in NHS England staff in recent years and are cutting further with the merger with DHSC.

    Good management is important for good healthcare. We’re in the middle of an AI revolution, for example. Who is going to work out which products are safe and efficacious and how best to integrate them into current service? It’s far more efficient to give that problem to a small team of experts rather than just dumping the problem on frontline staff.

    That said, there are issues with the structures of the NHS. Too much is unnecessarily devolved to a local level. The internal market discourages cooperation, while structures generally encourage cost shifting. Every hospital does things in a slightly different way.
    When it comes to AI don’t leave it to individuals to work out if it’s any good or not, LLMs are currently designed to flatter to device you.

    The legal terms for Co-pilot explicitly call it a toy not for business use and yet that’s how MS sells it
    All Co-pilot does for me is to get in the way of what I want to do.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,129
    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    Trump diesel tax update

    Local garage diesel now at £1.94

    Several of the petol stations on the A1 have been out of deisel since last Thursday but I suspect that is buying combined with the Easter weekend.
    Most of the petrol stations in Dundee have been out of petrol over the weekend. Diesel a little more available. At the moment I think this is mainly panic buying but real shortages are not far away.
    Gorgeous down here on the Wight today, and pleased to be here in our EV. Glad that I am not planning to fly anywhere until October. It is a good year for a domestic holiday.
    What do the IoW ferries run on?

    Slightly nervous about my holiday there in August.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 135,320

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Morning all.
    Good Growth Foundation, new boys with the BPC have issued their second poll this morning. Little late releasing as f/w ended 1 April

    Ref 27 (-1)
    Lab 20 (=)
    Con 19 (-1)
    Grn 15 (+3)
    LD 12 (=)
    SNP 2 (-1)
    PC 1 (=)

    Oth 4 (+1)

    Better poll for Starmer, Reform and the Conservatives down and Labour still second ahead of the Greens and Conservatives
    Surely it's the Greens who are up, everything else is noise
    The Greens up only to 4th when Ashcroft's poll has them tied first now is a relatively poor result for Polanski with this pollster still
    An increase is an increase. An increase with a pollster where they have been polling badly is good. It's the only change that isn't just margin of error.
    4th is still a bad result for the Greens and Labour now stand alone second from joint second better for them
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,128
    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    Trump diesel tax update

    Local garage diesel now at £1.94

    Several of the petol stations on the A1 have been out of deisel since last Thursday but I suspect that is buying combined with the Easter weekend.
    Most of the petrol stations in Dundee have been out of petrol over the weekend. Diesel a little more available. At the moment I think this is mainly panic buying but real shortages are not far away.
    Gorgeous down here on the Wight today, and pleased to be here in our EV. Glad that I am not planning to fly anywhere until October. It is a good year for a domestic holiday.
    Unfortunately, from our point of view, its about the third or fourth "good" year for a domestic holiday in a row and we really wanted a change.
    I think its fair to say that the election of Trump by the US has proven to be somewhat suboptimal.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,926

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    Trump diesel tax update

    Local garage diesel now at £1.94

    Several of the petol stations on the A1 have been out of deisel since last Thursday but I suspect that is buying combined with the Easter weekend.
    Most of the petrol stations in Dundee have been out of petrol over the weekend. Diesel a little more available. At the moment I think this is mainly panic buying but real shortages are not far away.
    Gorgeous down here on the Wight today, and pleased to be here in our EV. Glad that I am not planning to fly anywhere until October. It is a good year for a domestic holiday.
    What do the IoW ferries run on?

    Slightly nervous about my holiday there in August.
    The new one is diesel hybrid.

    https://www.wightlink.co.uk/facilities/ferries/victoria-of-wight
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,129
    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Looks like the UK won't be too affected then, has lower imports of oil from the Gulf region than the US as well as Asia

    Tankers are turning round. Now.

    Which means that deliveries from other sources will start failing to come here.

    Who has the most money, out of the U.K. and China?

    Who has the most “pull”?
    We should drill more in the North Sea again though
    That isn't going to help much in the next few months and in the longer term irrelevant in terms of supply.

    I am supportive of continued exploration and extraction in the North Sea as a form of import substitution, but the real need is renewables.
    I would doubt you could get from lease to an exploration rig onsite in six months.

    The North Sea from this point is about not throwing away tax yield in the medium/long term.
    And gratuitously damaging our ruinous balance of payments even further.
    Though the positives and negatives of UK hydrocarbons from the North Sea are pretty small on a national scale. Moving to whatever comes next as soon as possible isuch more relevant.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,878
    Foxy said:

    MattW said:

    Interesting header.

    The 60% of Yank shipping/heating oil is interesting - presumably one reason Chump wanted Venezuela back in the Empire.

    I think the one things missing on oil are the stock levels, where if I understand it, richer Asian countries (incl. China) have 6-8 months, Europe has 3 months, and the USA has about 6 weeks.

    15/ Goldman assesses that the major economies have an average of about 40 days of crude oil in storage (the UK is uniquely exposed here, with only 14 days' worth), and an average of 37 days' worth of stored refined products (India has only 16 days' worth).

    https://bsky.app/profile/chriso-wiki.bsky.social/post/3miqdgkv4uo2w

    Why is that chart, from the same source seemingly, suddenly the the USA line down to all zero?

    (Is the fall in UK stocks another Brexit benefit, since 90 days old stock was a requirement of EU law !)
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,926
    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    Trump diesel tax update

    Local garage diesel now at £1.94

    Several of the petol stations on the A1 have been out of deisel since last Thursday but I suspect that is buying combined with the Easter weekend.
    Most of the petrol stations in Dundee have been out of petrol over the weekend. Diesel a little more available. At the moment I think this is mainly panic buying but real shortages are not far away.
    Gorgeous down here on the Wight today, and pleased to be here in our EV. Glad that I am not planning to fly anywhere until October. It is a good year for a domestic holiday.
    Unfortunately, from our point of view, its about the third or fourth "good" year for a domestic holiday in a row and we really wanted a change.
    I think its fair to say that the election of Trump by the US has proven to be somewhat suboptimal.
    We really should have had through routes to Scotland and the North on Eurostar by now, but our politicians have no vision.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,360

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Looks like the UK won't be too affected then, has lower imports of oil from the Gulf region than the US as well as Asia

    Tankers are turning round. Now.

    Which means that deliveries from other sources will start failing to come here.

    Who has the most money, out of the U.K. and China?

    Who has the most “pull”?
    We should drill more in the North Sea again though
    That isn't going to help much in the next few months and in the longer term irrelevant in terms of supply.

    I am supportive of continued exploration and extraction in the North Sea as a form of import substitution, but the real need is renewables.
    I would doubt you could get from lease to an exploration rig onsite in six months.

    The North Sea from this point is about not throwing away tax yield in the medium/long term.
    It's not even about tax yield, which is predicted to diminish to almost nothing in the next five years. Further exploration at tax-rebated rates won't change that significantly.

    From what I can see five moderately useful reasons to open new oil fields:

    1. Maintains an asset that would otherwise permanently disappear
    2. Provides the UK with an exportable product
    3. Continues employment
    4. A degree of energy security
    5. North Sea oil is extracted to higher environmental standards than elsewhere.

    But if renewables and electrification weren't the absolute focus before, they should be now.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,886
    Only issues in Torbay is grockles

    Arrive and fill up same day, fill up day before leaving, so Fri sat pinch points.

    Off to Lichfield for 5 days but drove right in and tanked up last night. No supply issues
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,926
    MattW said:

    Foxy said:

    MattW said:

    Interesting header.

    The 60% of Yank shipping/heating oil is interesting - presumably one reason Chump wanted Venezuela back in the Empire.

    I think the one things missing on oil are the stock levels, where if I understand it, richer Asian countries (incl. China) have 6-8 months, Europe has 3 months, and the USA has about 6 weeks.

    15/ Goldman assesses that the major economies have an average of about 40 days of crude oil in storage (the UK is uniquely exposed here, with only 14 days' worth), and an average of 37 days' worth of stored refined products (India has only 16 days' worth).

    https://bsky.app/profile/chriso-wiki.bsky.social/post/3miqdgkv4uo2w

    Why is that chart, from the same source seemingly, suddenly the the USA line down to all zero?

    (Is the fall in UK stocks another Brexit benefit, since 90 days old stock was a requirement of EU law !)
    I think it is because the chart is specific to Gulf exports.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,750
    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    Trump diesel tax update

    Local garage diesel now at £1.94

    Several of the petol stations on the A1 have been out of deisel since last Thursday but I suspect that is buying combined with the Easter weekend.
    Most of the petrol stations in Dundee have been out of petrol over the weekend. Diesel a little more available. At the moment I think this is mainly panic buying but real shortages are not far away.
    Gorgeous down here on the Wight today, and pleased to be here in our EV. Glad that I am not planning to fly anywhere until October. It is a good year for a domestic holiday.
    Unfortunately, from our point of view, its about the third or fourth "good" year for a domestic holiday in a row and we really wanted a change.
    I think its fair to say that the election of Trump by the US has proven to be somewhat suboptimal.
    We really should have had through routes to Scotland and the North on Eurostar by now, but our politicians have no vision.
    HS2 doesn't even go to Leeds. Pretty sure Scotland has 'Here there be dragons' on the mental map of Westminster.
  • Reform voters are hilarious. They want to subsidise energy bills for everyone!
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,878
    Foxy said:

    MattW said:

    Foxy said:

    MattW said:

    Interesting header.

    The 60% of Yank shipping/heating oil is interesting - presumably one reason Chump wanted Venezuela back in the Empire.

    I think the one things missing on oil are the stock levels, where if I understand it, richer Asian countries (incl. China) have 6-8 months, Europe has 3 months, and the USA has about 6 weeks.

    15/ Goldman assesses that the major economies have an average of about 40 days of crude oil in storage (the UK is uniquely exposed here, with only 14 days' worth), and an average of 37 days' worth of stored refined products (India has only 16 days' worth).

    https://bsky.app/profile/chriso-wiki.bsky.social/post/3miqdgkv4uo2w

    Why is that chart, from the same source seemingly, suddenly the the USA line down to all zero?

    (Is the fall in UK stocks another Brexit benefit, since 90 days old stock was a requirement of EU law !)
    I think it is because the chart is specific to Gulf exports.
    The chart we are discussing, which got obliterated when I fell foul of my PC putting Print-Sq next to Power Off.



    (It looks quite updated since the broad numbers I heard back before started - closed on 28 Feb.)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 135,320
    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Looks like the UK won't be too affected then, has lower imports of oil from the Gulf region than the US as well as Asia

    Tankers are turning round. Now.

    Which means that deliveries from other sources will start failing to come here.

    Who has the most money, out of the U.K. and China?

    Who has the most “pull”?
    We should drill more in the North Sea again though
    That isn't going to help much in the next few months and in the longer term irrelevant in terms of supply.

    I am supportive of continued exploration and extraction in the North Sea as a form of import substitution, but the real need is renewables.
    Of course it is relevant longer term in terms of supply, we are still nowhere near being able to get all our energy from renewables.

    If either Farage or Kemi becomes PM after the next general then it will be full speed ‘drill baby drill’ for oil in the North Sea
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,129

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    Trump diesel tax update

    Local garage diesel now at £1.94

    Several of the petol stations on the A1 have been out of deisel since last Thursday but I suspect that is buying combined with the Easter weekend.
    Most of the petrol stations in Dundee have been out of petrol over the weekend. Diesel a little more available. At the moment I think this is mainly panic buying but real shortages are not far away.
    Gorgeous down here on the Wight today, and pleased to be here in our EV. Glad that I am not planning to fly anywhere until October. It is a good year for a domestic holiday.
    Unfortunately, from our point of view, its about the third or fourth "good" year for a domestic holiday in a row and we really wanted a change.
    I think its fair to say that the election of Trump by the US has proven to be somewhat suboptimal.
    We really should have had through routes to Scotland and the North on Eurostar by now, but our politicians have no vision.
    HS2 doesn't even go to Leeds. Pretty sure Scotland has 'Here there be dragons' on the mental map of Westminster.
    Have you seen what those SNP types are like?
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,360
    MattW said:

    Foxy said:

    MattW said:

    Interesting header.

    The 60% of Yank shipping/heating oil is interesting - presumably one reason Chump wanted Venezuela back in the Empire.

    I think the one things missing on oil are the stock levels, where if I understand it, richer Asian countries (incl. China) have 6-8 months, Europe has 3 months, and the USA has about 6 weeks.

    15/ Goldman assesses that the major economies have an average of about 40 days of crude oil in storage (the UK is uniquely exposed here, with only 14 days' worth), and an average of 37 days' worth of stored refined products (India has only 16 days' worth).

    https://bsky.app/profile/chriso-wiki.bsky.social/post/3miqdgkv4uo2w

    Why is that chart, from the same source seemingly, suddenly the the USA line down to all zero?

    (Is the fall in UK stocks another Brexit benefit, since 90 days old stock was a requirement of EU law !)
    It does raise the question why the US is releasing strategic stocks when it's not importing from the Gulf. Maybe it supports US oil exports to other countries?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,129
    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Looks like the UK won't be too affected then, has lower imports of oil from the Gulf region than the US as well as Asia

    Tankers are turning round. Now.

    Which means that deliveries from other sources will start failing to come here.

    Who has the most money, out of the U.K. and China?

    Who has the most “pull”?
    We should drill more in the North Sea again though
    That isn't going to help much in the next few months and in the longer term irrelevant in terms of supply.

    I am supportive of continued exploration and extraction in the North Sea as a form of import substitution, but the real need is renewables.
    Of course it is relevant longer term in terms of supply, we are still nowhere near being able to get all our energy from renewables.

    If either Farage or Kemi becomes PM after the next general then it will be full speed ‘drill baby drill’ for oil in the North Sea
    They can drill as much as they like.

    You can't extract stuff that's not there. Even on the most optimistic reading of the geology, there's not much oil and gas left.
  • TazTaz Posts: 26,621

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Looks like the UK won't be too affected then, has lower imports of oil from the Gulf region than the US as well as Asia

    Tankers are turning round. Now.

    Which means that deliveries from other sources will start failing to come here.

    Who has the most money, out of the U.K. and China?

    Who has the most “pull”?
    We should drill more in the North Sea again though
    That isn't going to help much in the next few months and in the longer term irrelevant in terms of supply.

    I am supportive of continued exploration and extraction in the North Sea as a form of import substitution, but the real need is renewables.
    I would doubt you could get from lease to an exploration rig onsite in six months.

    The North Sea from this point is about not throwing away tax yield in the medium/long term.
    That is a massively complicated question.

    Removing the drilling ban and reducing the tax burden is not going to get new exploration wells drilled in the next few months, not least because of the shortage of rigs.

    What it does do is signal to the industry that their platforms are once again viable and it is worth drilling more development wells from them. This could be done and have oil or gas flowing in far less than 6 months. There are wells planned, ready to drill but they are not being drilled because the companies know that without the further exploration in the medium term the platforms become unviable, especially with electrification looming. So they are not interested in drilling more wells, spending tens of millions of pounds when they know they are going to be shutting down the platforms and plugging the wells in the near future.
    Let’s be honest. The govt is full of ideologues. The North Sea, or our part of it, will not see the drilling ban or tax burden lifted.

    The govt will need more taxes given the slowing of the economy and ILR being granted to the Boriswave imminently.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 135,320

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Looks like the UK won't be too affected then, has lower imports of oil from the Gulf region than the US as well as Asia

    Tankers are turning round. Now.

    Which means that deliveries from other sources will start failing to come here.

    Who has the most money, out of the U.K. and China?

    Who has the most “pull”?
    We should drill more in the North Sea again though
    That isn't going to help much in the next few months and in the longer term irrelevant in terms of supply.

    I am supportive of continued exploration and extraction in the North Sea as a form of import substitution, but the real need is renewables.
    Of course it is relevant longer term in terms of supply, we are still nowhere near being able to get all our energy from renewables.

    If either Farage or Kemi becomes PM after the next general then it will be full speed ‘drill baby drill’ for oil in the North Sea
    They can drill as much as they like.

    You can't extract stuff that's not there. Even on the most optimistic reading of the geology, there's not much oil and gas left.
    Enough still to last for decades and some oil yet to be discovered
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 22,455
    eek said:

    FPT…

    Taz said:

    Another Resident Doctors strike. Another 6 days.

    When, or how, does this end ?

    The govt made a rod for their own back caving to these jokers when they first came to power.

    I think we should pay doctors.

    Lets pay for it by firing their managers. The NHS is an absurd mountain of structures piled on top of structures taking cash away from actual healthcare.
    No, it’s not. The NHS employs fewer managers than many comparable health services and yet has made major cuts in NHS England staff in recent years and are cutting further with the merger with DHSC.

    Good management is important for good healthcare. We’re in the middle of an AI revolution, for example. Who is going to work out which products are safe and efficacious and how best to integrate them into current service? It’s far more efficient to give that problem to a small team of experts rather than just dumping the problem on frontline staff.

    That said, there are issues with the structures of the NHS. Too much is unnecessarily devolved to a local level. The internal market discourages cooperation, while structures generally encourage cost shifting. Every hospital does things in a slightly different way.
    When it comes to AI don’t leave it to individuals to work out if it’s any good or not, LLMs are currently designed to flatter to device you.

    The legal terms for Co-pilot explicitly call it a toy not for business use and yet that’s how MS sells it
    AI is already in use in healthcare but not as LLM. Training of AI on datasets off says mammograms and then using it to find cases not seen by a human check.
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 5,238
    FF43 said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Looks like the UK won't be too affected then, has lower imports of oil from the Gulf region than the US as well as Asia

    Tankers are turning round. Now.

    Which means that deliveries from other sources will start failing to come here.

    Who has the most money, out of the U.K. and China?

    Who has the most “pull”?
    We should drill more in the North Sea again though
    That isn't going to help much in the next few months and in the longer term irrelevant in terms of supply.

    I am supportive of continued exploration and extraction in the North Sea as a form of import substitution, but the real need is renewables.
    I would doubt you could get from lease to an exploration rig onsite in six months.

    The North Sea from this point is about not throwing away tax yield in the medium/long term.
    It's not even about tax yield, which is predicted to diminish to almost nothing in the next five years. Further exploration at tax-rebated rates won't change that significantly.

    From what I can see five moderately useful reasons to open new oil fields:

    1. Maintains an asset that would otherwise permanently disappear
    2. Provides the UK with an exportable product
    3. Continues employment
    4. A degree of energy security
    5. North Sea oil is extracted to higher environmental standards than elsewhere.

    But if renewables and electrification weren't the absolute focus before, they should be now.
    Why would failing to open new oil fields make them permanently disappear?

    I get that it would be more difficult and expensive to open them in the future due to the need to rebuild expertise and retool, but they'll still be there. The oil's not going to evaporate or seep away. On the contrary, exploiting them is what will make them permanently disappear, and then we'll be completely dependent on foreign sources.

    I'd have thought the best approach would be to carefully eke out our remaining resources, maintaining the minimum flow needed for technical reasons and to maintain expertise. That way we'll still have some left when we really need it in the future for applications that are difficult to replace with alternatives.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,830
    edited 8:17AM
    Good morning all. Did you know that whatever Trump and his team does is (legally) perfectly normal. US law says so.
    The “presumption of regularity” is a judicially created doctrine with a long and contested history. The doctrine affords the executive branch a distinctive advantage not enjoyed by private litigants. It generally instructs courts to presume, unless there is clear evidence to the contrary, that executive officials have “properly discharged their official duties” and that government agencies have acted with procedural regularity and with bona fide, non-pretextual reasons. In practice, the presumption can preclude discovery, limit review of the facts, and truncate cases. It can constrict (or even end) civil suits challenging government action and curb criminal defendants’ ability to claim vindictive or selective prosecution, and more.

    But when challenging such a presumption, the backstop kicks in such is the value of having certain people in place.
    The Supreme Court itself showed the limits of the presumption during the first Trump administration upon learning that the Commerce Department had “contrived” a false rationale for reinstating the citizenship question in the national census. In Department of Commerce v. New York, Chief Justice John Roberts wrote, “[W]e cannot ignore the disconnect between the decision made and the explanation given. Our review is deferential, but we are ‘not required to exhibit a naiveté from which ordinary citizens are free.’” That move was to the chagrin of Justice Clarence Thomas, who argued that the majority had given “lipservice” to the principle that “courts reviewing agency action owe the Executive a ‘presumption of regularity.’”


  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,360

    FF43 said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Looks like the UK won't be too affected then, has lower imports of oil from the Gulf region than the US as well as Asia

    Tankers are turning round. Now.

    Which means that deliveries from other sources will start failing to come here.

    Who has the most money, out of the U.K. and China?

    Who has the most “pull”?
    We should drill more in the North Sea again though
    That isn't going to help much in the next few months and in the longer term irrelevant in terms of supply.

    I am supportive of continued exploration and extraction in the North Sea as a form of import substitution, but the real need is renewables.
    I would doubt you could get from lease to an exploration rig onsite in six months.

    The North Sea from this point is about not throwing away tax yield in the medium/long term.
    It's not even about tax yield, which is predicted to diminish to almost nothing in the next five years. Further exploration at tax-rebated rates won't change that significantly.

    From what I can see five moderately useful reasons to open new oil fields:

    1. Maintains an asset that would otherwise permanently disappear
    2. Provides the UK with an exportable product
    3. Continues employment
    4. A degree of energy security
    5. North Sea oil is extracted to higher environmental standards than elsewhere.

    But if renewables and electrification weren't the absolute focus before, they should be now.
    Why would failing to open new oil fields make them permanently disappear?

    I get that it would be more difficult and expensive to open them in the future due to the need to rebuild expertise and retool, but they'll still be there. The oil's not going to evaporate or seep away. On the contrary, exploiting them is what will make them permanently disappear, and then we'll be completely dependent on foreign sources.

    I'd have thought the best approach would be to carefully eke out our remaining resources, maintaining the minimum flow needed for technical reasons and to maintain expertise. That way we'll still have some left when we really need it in the future for applications that are difficult to replace with alternatives.
    I meant the UK North Sea industry as a viable asset in its entirety. A point @Richard_Tyndall also makes.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,840
    Taz said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Looks like the UK won't be too affected then, has lower imports of oil from the Gulf region than the US as well as Asia

    Tankers are turning round. Now.

    Which means that deliveries from other sources will start failing to come here.

    Who has the most money, out of the U.K. and China?

    Who has the most “pull”?
    We should drill more in the North Sea again though
    That isn't going to help much in the next few months and in the longer term irrelevant in terms of supply.

    I am supportive of continued exploration and extraction in the North Sea as a form of import substitution, but the real need is renewables.
    I would doubt you could get from lease to an exploration rig onsite in six months.

    The North Sea from this point is about not throwing away tax yield in the medium/long term.
    That is a massively complicated question.

    Removing the drilling ban and reducing the tax burden is not going to get new exploration wells drilled in the next few months, not least because of the shortage of rigs.

    What it does do is signal to the industry that their platforms are once again viable and it is worth drilling more development wells from them. This could be done and have oil or gas flowing in far less than 6 months. There are wells planned, ready to drill but they are not being drilled because the companies know that without the further exploration in the medium term the platforms become unviable, especially with electrification looming. So they are not interested in drilling more wells, spending tens of millions of pounds when they know they are going to be shutting down the platforms and plugging the wells in the near future.
    Let’s be honest. The govt is full of ideologues. The North Sea, or our part of it, will not see the drilling ban or tax burden lifted.

    The govt will need more taxes given the slowing of the economy and ILR being granted to the Boriswave imminently.
    How is the Boriswave being granted ILR going to slow the economy imminently? A bunch of people largely in work and paying taxes will continue to be a bunch of people largely in work and paying taxes.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,999
    MattW said:

    Foxy said:

    MattW said:

    Foxy said:

    MattW said:

    Interesting header.

    The 60% of Yank shipping/heating oil is interesting - presumably one reason Chump wanted Venezuela back in the Empire.

    I think the one things missing on oil are the stock levels, where if I understand it, richer Asian countries (incl. China) have 6-8 months, Europe has 3 months, and the USA has about 6 weeks.

    15/ Goldman assesses that the major economies have an average of about 40 days of crude oil in storage (the UK is uniquely exposed here, with only 14 days' worth), and an average of 37 days' worth of stored refined products (India has only 16 days' worth).

    https://bsky.app/profile/chriso-wiki.bsky.social/post/3miqdgkv4uo2w

    Why is that chart, from the same source seemingly, suddenly the the USA line down to all zero?

    (Is the fall in UK stocks another Brexit benefit, since 90 days old stock was a requirement of EU law !)
    I think it is because the chart is specific to Gulf exports.
    The chart we are discussing, which got obliterated when I fell foul of my PC putting Print-Sq next to Power Off.



    (It looks quite updated since the broad numbers I heard back before started - closed on 28 Feb.)
    Ah, conditional formatting.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,840

    eek said:

    FPT…

    Taz said:

    Another Resident Doctors strike. Another 6 days.

    When, or how, does this end ?

    The govt made a rod for their own back caving to these jokers when they first came to power.

    I think we should pay doctors.

    Lets pay for it by firing their managers. The NHS is an absurd mountain of structures piled on top of structures taking cash away from actual healthcare.
    No, it’s not. The NHS employs fewer managers than many comparable health services and yet has made major cuts in NHS England staff in recent years and are cutting further with the merger with DHSC.

    Good management is important for good healthcare. We’re in the middle of an AI revolution, for example. Who is going to work out which products are safe and efficacious and how best to integrate them into current service? It’s far more efficient to give that problem to a small team of experts rather than just dumping the problem on frontline staff.

    That said, there are issues with the structures of the NHS. Too much is unnecessarily devolved to a local level. The internal market discourages cooperation, while structures generally encourage cost shifting. Every hospital does things in a slightly different way.
    When it comes to AI don’t leave it to individuals to work out if it’s any good or not, LLMs are currently designed to flatter to device you.

    The legal terms for Co-pilot explicitly call it a toy not for business use and yet that’s how MS sells it
    AI is already in use in healthcare but not as LLM. Training of AI on datasets off says mammograms and then using it to find cases not seen by a human check.
    Yes, AI is used extensively in the NHS. LLMs are now also being routinely used too.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,128

    Reform voters are hilarious. They want to subsidise energy bills for everyone!

    That makes them almost as ridiculous as the Tories who did that with gas.
  • DavidL said:

    Reform voters are hilarious. They want to subsidise energy bills for everyone!

    That makes them almost as ridiculous as the Tories who did that with gas.
    I don’t need a subsidy. I can afford it!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 135,320

    Taz said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Looks like the UK won't be too affected then, has lower imports of oil from the Gulf region than the US as well as Asia

    Tankers are turning round. Now.

    Which means that deliveries from other sources will start failing to come here.

    Who has the most money, out of the U.K. and China?

    Who has the most “pull”?
    We should drill more in the North Sea again though
    That isn't going to help much in the next few months and in the longer term irrelevant in terms of supply.

    I am supportive of continued exploration and extraction in the North Sea as a form of import substitution, but the real need is renewables.
    I would doubt you could get from lease to an exploration rig onsite in six months.

    The North Sea from this point is about not throwing away tax yield in the medium/long term.
    That is a massively complicated question.

    Removing the drilling ban and reducing the tax burden is not going to get new exploration wells drilled in the next few months, not least because of the shortage of rigs.

    What it does do is signal to the industry that their platforms are once again viable and it is worth drilling more development wells from them. This could be done and have oil or gas flowing in far less than 6 months. There are wells planned, ready to drill but they are not being drilled because the companies know that without the further exploration in the medium term the platforms become unviable, especially with electrification looming. So they are not interested in drilling more wells, spending tens of millions of pounds when they know they are going to be shutting down the platforms and plugging the wells in the near future.
    Let’s be honest. The govt is full of ideologues. The North Sea, or our part of it, will not see the drilling ban or tax burden lifted.

    The govt will need more taxes given the slowing of the economy and ILR being granted to the Boriswave imminently.
    How is the Boriswave being granted ILR going to slow the economy imminently? A bunch of people largely in work and paying taxes will continue to be a bunch of people largely in work and paying taxes.
    Mahmood is doubling the time taken to get indefinite leave to remain though from 5 years 10 years
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,129

    FPT…

    Taz said:

    Another Resident Doctors strike. Another 6 days.

    When, or how, does this end ?

    The govt made a rod for their own back caving to these jokers when they first came to power.

    I think we should pay doctors.

    Lets pay for it by firing their managers. The NHS is an absurd mountain of structures piled on top of structures taking cash away from actual healthcare.
    No, it’s not. The NHS employs fewer managers than many comparable health services and yet has made major cuts in NHS England staff in recent years and are cutting further with the merger with DHSC.

    Good management is important for good healthcare. We’re in the middle of an AI revolution, for example. Who is going to work out which products are safe and efficacious and how best to integrate them into current service? It’s far more efficient to give that problem to a small team of experts rather than just dumping the problem on frontline staff.

    That said, there are issues with the structures of the NHS. Too much is unnecessarily devolved to a local level. The internal market discourages cooperation, while structures generally encourage cost shifting. Every hospital does things in a slightly different way.
    As in academia too many highly skilled people are wasting time doing admin because admin staff are easy to cut. A consultant should have decent admin support so that they can do the important bits of the job, for example surgery, or talking to patients. I suspect it feels like a way a cut costs by removing admin staff but is it the best thing for the service as a whole? Would a Michelin starred restaurant want the chef taking the orders and doing the drinks at the bar or doing the cooking?
    There are two ways of making admin staff redundant.

    One is to change the processes, so that fewer staff are needed because there is less admin work. The other is to turn the doctors, academics, teachers etc into expensive self-admin staff. Guess which one we have had most of.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,878

    FF43 said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Looks like the UK won't be too affected then, has lower imports of oil from the Gulf region than the US as well as Asia

    Tankers are turning round. Now.

    Which means that deliveries from other sources will start failing to come here.

    Who has the most money, out of the U.K. and China?

    Who has the most “pull”?
    We should drill more in the North Sea again though
    That isn't going to help much in the next few months and in the longer term irrelevant in terms of supply.

    I am supportive of continued exploration and extraction in the North Sea as a form of import substitution, but the real need is renewables.
    I would doubt you could get from lease to an exploration rig onsite in six months.

    The North Sea from this point is about not throwing away tax yield in the medium/long term.
    It's not even about tax yield, which is predicted to diminish to almost nothing in the next five years. Further exploration at tax-rebated rates won't change that significantly.

    From what I can see five moderately useful reasons to open new oil fields:

    1. Maintains an asset that would otherwise permanently disappear
    2. Provides the UK with an exportable product
    3. Continues employment
    4. A degree of energy security
    5. North Sea oil is extracted to higher environmental standards than elsewhere.

    But if renewables and electrification weren't the absolute focus before, they should be now.
    Why would failing to open new oil fields make them permanently disappear?

    I get that it would be more difficult and expensive to open them in the future due to the need to rebuild expertise and retool, but they'll still be there. The oil's not going to evaporate or seep away. On the contrary, exploiting them is what will make them permanently disappear, and then we'll be completely dependent on foreign sources.

    I'd have thought the best approach would be to carefully eke out our remaining resources, maintaining the minimum flow needed for technical reasons and to maintain expertise. That way we'll still have some left when we really need it in the future for applications that are difficult to replace with alternatives.
    That requires planning - rather than rabid exploitation for maximum profit NOW, or closure.

    Try Norway !
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,878
    edited 8:48AM

    MattW said:

    Foxy said:

    MattW said:

    Foxy said:

    MattW said:

    Interesting header.

    The 60% of Yank shipping/heating oil is interesting - presumably one reason Chump wanted Venezuela back in the Empire.

    I think the one things missing on oil are the stock levels, where if I understand it, richer Asian countries (incl. China) have 6-8 months, Europe has 3 months, and the USA has about 6 weeks.

    15/ Goldman assesses that the major economies have an average of about 40 days of crude oil in storage (the UK is uniquely exposed here, with only 14 days' worth), and an average of 37 days' worth of stored refined products (India has only 16 days' worth).

    https://bsky.app/profile/chriso-wiki.bsky.social/post/3miqdgkv4uo2w

    Why is that chart, from the same source seemingly, suddenly the the USA line down to all zero?

    (Is the fall in UK stocks another Brexit benefit, since 90 days old stock was a requirement of EU law !)
    I think it is because the chart is specific to Gulf exports.
    The chart we are discussing, which got obliterated when I fell foul of my PC putting Print-Sq next to Power Off.



    (It looks quite updated since the broad numbers I heard back before started - closed on 28 Feb.)
    Ah, conditional formatting.
    My bete noire is the Rename next to Delete in the Right Click menu.

    I once use used that to delete a bank's compliance database latest version rather than create another one to work on.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 23,121
    DavidL said:

    Trump diesel tax update

    Local garage diesel now at £1.94

    Several of the petol stations on the A1 have been out of deisel since last Thursday but I suspect that is buying combined with the Easter weekend.
    Most of the petrol stations in Dundee have been out of petrol over the weekend. Diesel a little more available. At the moment I think this is mainly panic buying but real shortages are not far away.
    I wouldn't describe it as panic-buying. It's a very sensible response for everyone to keep more fuel stored in their car, and refill earlier, as it will make everyone more resilient to any future short-term supply disruptions.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 29,230

    FPT…

    Taz said:

    Another Resident Doctors strike. Another 6 days.

    When, or how, does this end ?

    The govt made a rod for their own back caving to these jokers when they first came to power.

    I think we should pay doctors.

    Lets pay for it by firing their managers. The NHS is an absurd mountain of structures piled on top of structures taking cash away from actual healthcare.
    No, it’s not. The NHS employs fewer managers than many comparable health services and yet has made major cuts in NHS England staff in recent years and are cutting further with the merger with DHSC.

    Good management is important for good healthcare. We’re in the middle of an AI revolution, for example. Who is going to work out which products are safe and efficacious and how best to integrate them into current service? It’s far more efficient to give that problem to a small team of experts rather than just dumping the problem on frontline staff.

    That said, there are issues with the structures of the NHS. Too much is unnecessarily devolved to a local level. The internal market discourages cooperation, while structures generally encourage cost shifting. Every hospital does things in a slightly different way.
    As in academia too many highly skilled people are wasting time doing admin because admin staff are easy to cut. A consultant should have decent admin support so that they can do the important bits of the job, for example surgery, or talking to patients. I suspect it feels like a way a cut costs by removing admin staff but is it the best thing for the service as a whole? Would a Michelin starred restaurant want the chef taking the orders and doing the drinks at the bar or doing the cooking?
    There are two ways of making admin staff redundant.

    One is to change the processes, so that fewer staff are needed because there is less admin work. The other is to turn the doctors, academics, teachers etc into expensive self-admin staff. Guess which one we have had most of.
    Its happened everywhere and has been for decades since PCs were introduced.

    Two generations ago offices were filled with secretaries and typists, now they're not.

    Admin has become both easier for people to do themselves and also more technical, so requiring the person with the specialised knowledge to complete it.
  • isamisam Posts: 43,953

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Morning all.
    Good Growth Foundation, new boys with the BPC have issued their second poll this morning. Little late releasing as f/w ended 1 April

    Ref 27 (-1)
    Lab 20 (=)
    Con 19 (-1)
    Grn 15 (+3)
    LD 12 (=)
    SNP 2 (-1)
    PC 1 (=)

    Oth 4 (+1)

    Better poll for Starmer, Reform and the Conservatives down and Labour still second ahead of the Greens and Conservatives
    Surely it's the Greens who are up, everything else is noise
    The Greens up only to 4th when Ashcroft's poll has them tied first now is a relatively poor result for Polanski with this pollster still
    An increase is an increase. An increase with a pollster where they have been polling badly is good. It's the only change that isn't just margin of error.
    100%. If we accept that all pollsters have in house effects then the direction of travel is all that matters, not what position the party is in.

    I have said this before, but I started to look at polls this way in 2015, and it indicated that a Tory majority was the value bet, but I was so caught up in the media certainty that it would be NOM that I neither tipped nor backed it

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 62,221
    FF43 said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Looks like the UK won't be too affected then, has lower imports of oil from the Gulf region than the US as well as Asia

    Tankers are turning round. Now.

    Which means that deliveries from other sources will start failing to come here.

    Who has the most money, out of the U.K. and China?

    Who has the most “pull”?
    We should drill more in the North Sea again though
    That isn't going to help much in the next few months and in the longer term irrelevant in terms of supply.

    I am supportive of continued exploration and extraction in the North Sea as a form of import substitution, but the real need is renewables.
    I would doubt you could get from lease to an exploration rig onsite in six months.

    The North Sea from this point is about not throwing away tax yield in the medium/long term.
    It's not even about tax yield, which is predicted to diminish to almost nothing in the next five years. Further exploration at tax-rebated rates won't change that significantly.

    From what I can see five moderately useful reasons to open new oil fields:

    1. Maintains an asset that would otherwise permanently disappear
    2. Provides the UK with an exportable product
    3. Continues employment
    4. A degree of energy security
    5. North Sea oil is extracted to higher environmental standards than elsewhere.

    But if renewables and electrification weren't the absolute focus before, they should be now.
    A part of the problem is that in government, buying something from abroad often doesn’t “count” as CO2 generation. But buying/producing the same thing at home does.

    Changing this would upset the Foreigner Office, and the many people whose targets include “CO2 reduction”
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,886

    DavidL said:

    Trump diesel tax update

    Local garage diesel now at £1.94

    Several of the petol stations on the A1 have been out of deisel since last Thursday but I suspect that is buying combined with the Easter weekend.
    Most of the petrol stations in Dundee have been out of petrol over the weekend. Diesel a little more available. At the moment I think this is mainly panic buying but real shortages are not far away.
    I wouldn't describe it as panic-buying. It's a very sensible response for everyone to keep more fuel stored in their car, and refill earlier, as it will make everyone more resilient to any future short-term supply disruptions.
    It's the ones who do 200 miles a month, with a 400 mile range who use 5 quids worth a day at most who then top that back up every day that cause the peak time queues.

    In the summer they'll lose more by evaporation than going to top up.

    It's like sugar and bog roll hoarders.

    A sweetener or spoonful of honey and a supply of the Daily Mail or Express or Telegraph if you have IBS are just as good.

  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,886
    DavidL said:

    Reform voters are hilarious. They want to subsidise energy bills for everyone!

    That makes them almost as ridiculous as the Tories who did that with gas.
    Now along comes Scrooge Keir and attacks the millionaires billionaires and better off....
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,808

    FPT…

    Taz said:

    Another Resident Doctors strike. Another 6 days.

    When, or how, does this end ?

    The govt made a rod for their own back caving to these jokers when they first came to power.

    I think we should pay doctors.

    Lets pay for it by firing their managers. The NHS is an absurd mountain of structures piled on top of structures taking cash away from actual healthcare.
    No, it’s not. The NHS employs fewer managers than many comparable health services and yet has made major cuts in NHS England staff in recent years and are cutting further with the merger with DHSC.

    Good management is important for good healthcare. We’re in the middle of an AI revolution, for example. Who is going to work out which products are safe and efficacious and how best to integrate them into current service? It’s far more efficient to give that problem to a small team of experts rather than just dumping the problem on frontline staff.

    That said, there are issues with the structures of the NHS. Too much is unnecessarily devolved to a local level. The internal market discourages cooperation, while structures generally encourage cost shifting. Every hospital does things in a slightly different way.
    As in academia too many highly skilled people are wasting time doing admin because admin staff are easy to cut. A consultant should have decent admin support so that they can do the important bits of the job, for example surgery, or talking to patients. I suspect it feels like a way a cut costs by removing admin staff but is it the best thing for the service as a whole? Would a Michelin starred restaurant want the chef taking the orders and doing the drinks at the bar or doing the cooking?
    There are two ways of making admin staff redundant.

    One is to change the processes, so that fewer staff are needed because there is less admin work. The other is to turn the doctors, academics, teachers etc into expensive self-admin staff. Guess which one we have had most of.
    Often using the most ancient, slowest, least counterintuitive systems imaginable. That regularly go down.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 8,675
    Foxy said:
    "Other diplomats are more sanguine about the risks to the UK’s stability, as are experts on British constitutional politics."

    Nice of them to admit their own article is hysterical halfway through.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,431

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    Trump diesel tax update

    Local garage diesel now at £1.94

    Several of the petol stations on the A1 have been out of deisel since last Thursday but I suspect that is buying combined with the Easter weekend.
    Most of the petrol stations in Dundee have been out of petrol over the weekend. Diesel a little more available. At the moment I think this is mainly panic buying but real shortages are not far away.
    Gorgeous down here on the Wight today, and pleased to be here in our EV. Glad that I am not planning to fly anywhere until October. It is a good year for a domestic holiday.
    Unfortunately, from our point of view, its about the third or fourth "good" year for a domestic holiday in a row and we really wanted a change.
    I think its fair to say that the election of Trump by the US has proven to be somewhat suboptimal.
    We really should have had through routes to Scotland and the North on Eurostar by now, but our politicians have no vision.
    HS2 doesn't even go to Leeds. Pretty sure Scotland has 'Here there be dragons' on the mental map of Westminster.
    Have you seen what those SNP types are like?
    Do dragons have one set of legs shorter than the other like haggises, so they can walk around the hills ok?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 62,221
    MattW said:

    FF43 said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Looks like the UK won't be too affected then, has lower imports of oil from the Gulf region than the US as well as Asia

    Tankers are turning round. Now.

    Which means that deliveries from other sources will start failing to come here.

    Who has the most money, out of the U.K. and China?

    Who has the most “pull”?
    We should drill more in the North Sea again though
    That isn't going to help much in the next few months and in the longer term irrelevant in terms of supply.

    I am supportive of continued exploration and extraction in the North Sea as a form of import substitution, but the real need is renewables.
    I would doubt you could get from lease to an exploration rig onsite in six months.

    The North Sea from this point is about not throwing away tax yield in the medium/long term.
    It's not even about tax yield, which is predicted to diminish to almost nothing in the next five years. Further exploration at tax-rebated rates won't change that significantly.

    From what I can see five moderately useful reasons to open new oil fields:

    1. Maintains an asset that would otherwise permanently disappear
    2. Provides the UK with an exportable product
    3. Continues employment
    4. A degree of energy security
    5. North Sea oil is extracted to higher environmental standards than elsewhere.

    But if renewables and electrification weren't the absolute focus before, they should be now.
    Why would failing to open new oil fields make them permanently disappear?

    I get that it would be more difficult and expensive to open them in the future due to the need to rebuild expertise and retool, but they'll still be there. The oil's not going to evaporate or seep away. On the contrary, exploiting them is what will make them permanently disappear, and then we'll be completely dependent on foreign sources.

    I'd have thought the best approach would be to carefully eke out our remaining resources, maintaining the minimum flow needed for technical reasons and to maintain expertise. That way we'll still have some left when we really need it in the future for applications that are difficult to replace with alternatives.
    That requires planning - rather than rabid exploitation for maximum profit NOW, or closure.

    Try Norway !
    Running a field costs a fairly fixed amount of money. The reduction in operating costs for “just ticking over” vs full production would not be great.

    If you plug a well and remove the production facilities - which is a legal requirement for North Sea “abandonment”, you are looking at the full cost to refill and install production facilities.

    IIRC the legalities of abandonment mean that anything other that plugging and removal of the rigs is not allowed.

    So mothballing platforms in place is not allowed. Low rate production would be uneconomic…
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 15,520

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    Trump diesel tax update

    Local garage diesel now at £1.94

    Several of the petol stations on the A1 have been out of deisel since last Thursday but I suspect that is buying combined with the Easter weekend.
    Most of the petrol stations in Dundee have been out of petrol over the weekend. Diesel a little more available. At the moment I think this is mainly panic buying but real shortages are not far away.
    Gorgeous down here on the Wight today, and pleased to be here in our EV. Glad that I am not planning to fly anywhere until October. It is a good year for a domestic holiday.
    What do the IoW ferries run on?

    Slightly nervous about my holiday there in August.
    You could always join the annual Solent swim.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 62,221

    FPT…

    Taz said:

    Another Resident Doctors strike. Another 6 days.

    When, or how, does this end ?

    The govt made a rod for their own back caving to these jokers when they first came to power.

    I think we should pay doctors.

    Lets pay for it by firing their managers. The NHS is an absurd mountain of structures piled on top of structures taking cash away from actual healthcare.
    No, it’s not. The NHS employs fewer managers than many comparable health services and yet has made major cuts in NHS England staff in recent years and are cutting further with the merger with DHSC.

    Good management is important for good healthcare. We’re in the middle of an AI revolution, for example. Who is going to work out which products are safe and efficacious and how best to integrate them into current service? It’s far more efficient to give that problem to a small team of experts rather than just dumping the problem on frontline staff.

    That said, there are issues with the structures of the NHS. Too much is unnecessarily devolved to a local level. The internal market discourages cooperation, while structures generally encourage cost shifting. Every hospital does things in a slightly different way.
    As in academia too many highly skilled people are wasting time doing admin because admin staff are easy to cut. A consultant should have decent admin support so that they can do the important bits of the job, for example surgery, or talking to patients. I suspect it feels like a way a cut costs by removing admin staff but is it the best thing for the service as a whole? Would a Michelin starred restaurant want the chef taking the orders and doing the drinks at the bar or doing the cooking?
    There are two ways of making admin staff redundant.

    One is to change the processes, so that fewer staff are needed because there is less admin work. The other is to turn the doctors, academics, teachers etc into expensive self-admin staff. Guess which one we have had most of.
    We have -

    - Lots of processes, while retaining the old ones. This means that existing rice bowls don’t get broken. And duplication of input is guaranteed.
    - Turn the people who actually do the work into admin staff, as you say.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,886
    HYUFD said:

    Morning all.
    Good Growth Foundation, new boys with the BPC have issued their second poll this morning. Little late releasing as f/w ended 1 April

    Ref 27 (-1)
    Lab 20 (=)
    Con 19 (-1)
    Grn 15 (+3)
    LD 12 (=)
    SNP 2 (-1)
    PC 1 (=)

    Oth 4 (+1)

    Better poll for Starmer, Reform and the Conservatives down and Labour still second ahead of the Greens and Conservatives
    Since righty righty Polls get an average of 32.222 shares for a 1% Tory increase...

    Here's a 3rd outing for a new Poll
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,891
    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    Trump diesel tax update

    Local garage diesel now at £1.94

    Several of the petol stations on the A1 have been out of deisel since last Thursday but I suspect that is buying combined with the Easter weekend.
    Most of the petrol stations in Dundee have been out of petrol over the weekend. Diesel a little more available. At the moment I think this is mainly panic buying but real shortages are not far away.
    Gorgeous down here on the Wight today, and pleased to be here in our EV. Glad that I am not planning to fly anywhere until October. It is a good year for a domestic holiday.
    Unfortunately, from our point of view, its about the third or fourth "good" year for a domestic holiday in a row and we really wanted a change.
    I think its fair to say that the election of Trump by the US has proven to be somewhat suboptimal.
    We really should have had through routes to Scotland and the North on Eurostar by now, but our politicians have no vision.
    Eurostar services from beyond London were planned. They built a depot in Manchester. Sleeper services were planned. They built the sleeping cars.

    Budget airlines scuppered those plans.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 71,206
    Brixian59 said:

    DavidL said:

    Reform voters are hilarious. They want to subsidise energy bills for everyone!

    That makes them almost as ridiculous as the Tories who did that with gas.
    Now along comes Scrooge Keir and attacks the millionaires billionaires and better off....
    Whilst as opposition leader he demanded universal support

    Hypocrisy on stilts

    However, I agree it cannot be universal but do not expect Starmer not to be reminded of his past
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 62,221

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    Trump diesel tax update

    Local garage diesel now at £1.94

    Several of the petol stations on the A1 have been out of deisel since last Thursday but I suspect that is buying combined with the Easter weekend.
    Most of the petrol stations in Dundee have been out of petrol over the weekend. Diesel a little more available. At the moment I think this is mainly panic buying but real shortages are not far away.
    Gorgeous down here on the Wight today, and pleased to be here in our EV. Glad that I am not planning to fly anywhere until October. It is a good year for a domestic holiday.
    Unfortunately, from our point of view, its about the third or fourth "good" year for a domestic holiday in a row and we really wanted a change.
    I think its fair to say that the election of Trump by the US has proven to be somewhat suboptimal.
    We really should have had through routes to Scotland and the North on Eurostar by now, but our politicians have no vision.
    HS2 doesn't even go to Leeds. Pretty sure Scotland has 'Here there be dragons' on the mental map of Westminster.
    Have you seen what those SNP types are like?
    Do dragons have one set of legs shorter than the other like haggises, so they can walk around the hills ok?
    Yes

    Protestant dragons have a shorter left leg. Catholic dragons the right leg. Hence “Which foot dae kick with?”
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,350

    MattW said:

    FF43 said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Looks like the UK won't be too affected then, has lower imports of oil from the Gulf region than the US as well as Asia

    Tankers are turning round. Now.

    Which means that deliveries from other sources will start failing to come here.

    Who has the most money, out of the U.K. and China?

    Who has the most “pull”?
    We should drill more in the North Sea again though
    That isn't going to help much in the next few months and in the longer term irrelevant in terms of supply.

    I am supportive of continued exploration and extraction in the North Sea as a form of import substitution, but the real need is renewables.
    I would doubt you could get from lease to an exploration rig onsite in six months.

    The North Sea from this point is about not throwing away tax yield in the medium/long term.
    It's not even about tax yield, which is predicted to diminish to almost nothing in the next five years. Further exploration at tax-rebated rates won't change that significantly.

    From what I can see five moderately useful reasons to open new oil fields:

    1. Maintains an asset that would otherwise permanently disappear
    2. Provides the UK with an exportable product
    3. Continues employment
    4. A degree of energy security
    5. North Sea oil is extracted to higher environmental standards than elsewhere.

    But if renewables and electrification weren't the absolute focus before, they should be now.
    Why would failing to open new oil fields make them permanently disappear?

    I get that it would be more difficult and expensive to open them in the future due to the need to rebuild expertise and retool, but they'll still be there. The oil's not going to evaporate or seep away. On the contrary, exploiting them is what will make them permanently disappear, and then we'll be completely dependent on foreign sources.

    I'd have thought the best approach would be to carefully eke out our remaining resources, maintaining the minimum flow needed for technical reasons and to maintain expertise. That way we'll still have some left when we really need it in the future for applications that are difficult to replace with alternatives.
    That requires planning - rather than rabid exploitation for maximum profit NOW, or closure.

    Try Norway !
    Running a field costs a fairly fixed amount of money. The reduction in operating costs for “just ticking over” vs full production would not be great.

    If you plug a well and remove the production facilities - which is a legal requirement for North Sea “abandonment”, you are looking at the full cost to refill and install production facilities.

    IIRC the legalities of abandonment mean that anything other that plugging and removal of the rigs is not allowed.

    So mothballing platforms in place is not allowed. Low rate production would be uneconomic…
    Yep this is exactly right. Hence thecreason I am in a very lucrative contract abandoning hundreds of old wells.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 71,206
    Brixian59 said:

    DavidL said:

    Trump diesel tax update

    Local garage diesel now at £1.94

    Several of the petol stations on the A1 have been out of deisel since last Thursday but I suspect that is buying combined with the Easter weekend.
    Most of the petrol stations in Dundee have been out of petrol over the weekend. Diesel a little more available. At the moment I think this is mainly panic buying but real shortages are not far away.
    I wouldn't describe it as panic-buying. It's a very sensible response for everyone to keep more fuel stored in their car, and refill earlier, as it will make everyone more resilient to any future short-term supply disruptions.
    It's the ones who do 200 miles a month, with a 400 mile range who use 5 quids worth a day at most who then top that back up every day that cause the peak time queues.

    In the summer they'll lose more by evaporation than going to top up.

    It's like sugar and bog roll hoarders.

    A sweetener or spoonful of honey and a supply of the Daily Mail or Express or Telegraph if you have IBS are just as good.

    Your prejudices are on full display again

    Even on your figures 200 miles a month is approx 7 miles a day which puts your claim in context

    More nonsense

  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 8,675

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    Trump diesel tax update

    Local garage diesel now at £1.94

    Several of the petol stations on the A1 have been out of deisel since last Thursday but I suspect that is buying combined with the Easter weekend.
    Most of the petrol stations in Dundee have been out of petrol over the weekend. Diesel a little more available. At the moment I think this is mainly panic buying but real shortages are not far away.
    Gorgeous down here on the Wight today, and pleased to be here in our EV. Glad that I am not planning to fly anywhere until October. It is a good year for a domestic holiday.
    Unfortunately, from our point of view, its about the third or fourth "good" year for a domestic holiday in a row and we really wanted a change.
    I think its fair to say that the election of Trump by the US has proven to be somewhat suboptimal.
    We really should have had through routes to Scotland and the North on Eurostar by now, but our politicians have no vision.
    Eurostar services from beyond London were planned. They built a depot in Manchester. Sleeper services were planned. They built the sleeping cars.

    Budget airlines scuppered those plans.
    In fact the sleeping cars are in use, in Canada.

    I am mentally preparing myself for the 10 hour Victoria to Paris Flixbus coach experience. Unless I can get a £35 ticket on Eurostar Snap, which is unlikely in the summer.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,350

    FF43 said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Looks like the UK won't be too affected then, has lower imports of oil from the Gulf region than the US as well as Asia

    Tankers are turning round. Now.

    Which means that deliveries from other sources will start failing to come here.

    Who has the most money, out of the U.K. and China?

    Who has the most “pull”?
    We should drill more in the North Sea again though
    That isn't going to help much in the next few months and in the longer term irrelevant in terms of supply.

    I am supportive of continued exploration and extraction in the North Sea as a form of import substitution, but the real need is renewables.
    I would doubt you could get from lease to an exploration rig onsite in six months.

    The North Sea from this point is about not throwing away tax yield in the medium/long term.
    It's not even about tax yield, which is predicted to diminish to almost nothing in the next five years. Further exploration at tax-rebated rates won't change that significantly.

    From what I can see five moderately useful reasons to open new oil fields:

    1. Maintains an asset that would otherwise permanently disappear
    2. Provides the UK with an exportable product
    3. Continues employment
    4. A degree of energy security
    5. North Sea oil is extracted to higher environmental standards than elsewhere.

    But if renewables and electrification weren't the absolute focus before, they should be now.
    Why would failing to open new oil fields make them permanently disappear?

    I get that it would be more difficult and expensive to open them in the future due to the need to rebuild expertise and retool, but they'll still be there. The oil's not going to evaporate or seep away. On the contrary, exploiting them is what will make them permanently disappear, and then we'll be completely dependent on foreign sources.

    I'd have thought the best approach would be to carefully eke out our remaining resources, maintaining the minimum flow needed for technical reasons and to maintain expertise. That way we'll still have some left when we really need it in the future for applications that are difficult to replace with alternatives.
    Completely impractical. And far more expensive for the companies.
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