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Labour are, just, the favourites on the most seats markets now – politicalbetting.com

Right now Labour are an implied 34% chance of winning most seats at the next general election versus Reform who are a 33.8% chance.

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  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,582
    In a cab from Bangkok airport to khlong thoei trying to explain to my driver that I was joking about his wife working at Spanky’s bar, Nana Plaza
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,514
    Whilst it’s probably down to Starmer being expected to go, before 2029, I do think there’s an element of getting high on your own supply.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,350
    edited 8:30AM
    Labour MPs are stupid, why would they want to stop my 100/1 tip Ed Miliband becoming PM?

    Keir Starmer granted stay of execution as Labour squabbles over successor

    From Angela Rayner’s outstanding tax issues to Wes Streeting’s messages to Lord Mandelson, there’s no clear candidate to replace the prime minister


    Cabinet ministers believe that Sir Keir Starmer will now survive beyond May by virtue of squabbling between the camps of contenders to replace him.

    The events of last week, when Star­mer survived an attempt to oust him, left Labour MPs and ministers “increasingly of the view that May might not be the moment,” a Labour source said.

    “The smart people are wondering whether the same reasons he fought off last week are still the same in May. It’s a combination of no one can agree, none of the candidates are ready and there’s no organised campaign.

    “There is a ‘stop Ed’ [Miliband] campaign, a ‘stop Wes’ [Streeting] campaign and a ‘stop Angela’ [Rayner] campaign,” the source said. “But there is no clear campaign for one candidate without a counter-campaign.”

    A close aide to a cabinet minister said: “There’s no obvious candidate. Even without her tax issues, there’s this idea that Rayner is Labour’s Liz Truss, which is very accurate.

    The internecine squabbling has led to increasing talk among Labour MPs, including ministers, about the possi­bility of a “unity candidate” emerging in the form of John Healey, the defence secretary, or Yvette Cooper, the foreign secretary. Two Labour MPs suggested that the pair could lead on a joint ticket and Cooper could serve as Healey’s chancellor. A minister suggested that Healey would also make a strong chancellor for Angela Rayner, the former deputy prime minister, who is seen as a leading contender to replace Starmer.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-leadership-rivals-squabble-may-elections-g9gbn5c9b

  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,459
    Swingback theory influencing the punters.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 35,174
    The Farage paradox: He has sold Reform as the cure for 14 years of Tory decline, yet spends his energy trying to recruit the very Conservatives he blames for the mess
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,631

    The Farage paradox: He has sold Reform as the cure for 14 years of Tory decline, yet spends his energy trying to recruit the very Conservatives he blames for the mess

    Tbf he’s sold the Reform cure to a bunch of Tory retreads and has beens. It’s a start I guess.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 35,174

    Labour MPs are stupid, why would they want to stop my 100/1 tip Ed Miliband becoming MP?

    Keir Starmer granted stay of execution as Labour squabbles over successor

    From Angela Rayner’s outstanding tax issues to Wes Streeting’s messages to Lord Mandelson, there’s no clear candidate to replace the prime minister


    Cabinet ministers believe that Sir Keir Starmer will now survive beyond May by virtue of squabbling between the camps of contenders to replace him.

    The events of last week, when Star­mer survived an attempt to oust him, left Labour MPs and ministers “increasingly of the view that May might not be the moment,” a Labour source said.

    “The smart people are wondering whether the same reasons he fought off last week are still the same in May. It’s a combination of no one can agree, none of the candidates are ready and there’s no organised campaign.

    “There is a ‘stop Ed’ [Miliband] campaign, a ‘stop Wes’ [Streeting] campaign and a ‘stop Angela’ [Rayner] campaign,” the source said. “But there is no clear campaign for one candidate without a counter-campaign.”

    A close aide to a cabinet minister said: “There’s no obvious candidate. Even without her tax issues, there’s this idea that Rayner is Labour’s Liz Truss, which is very accurate.

    The internecine squabbling has led to increasing talk among Labour MPs, including ministers, about the possi­bility of a “unity candidate” emerging in the form of John Healey, the defence secretary, or Yvette Cooper, the foreign secretary. Two Labour MPs suggested that the pair could lead on a joint ticket and Cooper could serve as Healey’s chancellor. A minister suggested that Healey would also make a strong chancellor for Angela Rayner, the former deputy prime minister, who is seen as a leading contender to replace Starmer.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-leadership-rivals-squabble-may-elections-g9gbn5c9b

    Their view is that Ed Miliband cost Labour the 2015 election and his expensive energy policies will likely cost Labour the 2029 election. Besides which, the signs are Miliband no longer wants the top job.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,644

    The Farage paradox: He has sold Reform as the cure for 14 years of Tory decline, yet spends his energy trying to recruit the very Conservatives he blames for the mess

    Robert Jenrick is going to be furious when he finds out that he was Housing Secretary between 2019 and 2021.

    The two old parties made housing unaffordable.

    Reform is now the home for aspirational young people.

    Simon has the real world experience to break the cycle of broken promises.


    https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/2020931265931985171
    His role in government was minimal, veritably Mickey Mouse, so he can whitewash it.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,618
    Combination of two effects?

    The apparently successful launch Rupert Spode's party is new news. He might not win many seats himself, but siphoning off a slice of Farage's vote hurts Reform a lot.

    That Starmer probably won't be on the ballot next time shouldn't be news, but apparently is. On such confusions profits and losses are made.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,629
    The person who stated Mathieu Flamini is worth £10bn well…

    He co-founded an interesting company with 80 employees. A chemicals company.

    He’s also since said that the £10bn is the TAM for his product not the value of his shares…

  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,527
    If Starmer looks at the betting graph and thinks “that’s because punters think I will be resigning “ it won’t be good for his ego.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,350

    If Starmer looks at the betting graph and thinks “that’s because punters think I will be resigning “ it won’t be good for his ego.

    He sees it as punters saying he is leading Labour at the next election, never misunderestimate the ego of a lawyer.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,326
    Market reverting to normal?

    Starmer has weathered the latest storm and Labour panic

    Kemi Badenoch is looking more comfortable as Tory leader, pitching the party as just slightly less racist than Reform leaving their more sensible supporters homeless

    Reform has peaked, falling migration leading to them turning on non-white British residents - colleagues, your children's classmates, peoples' social circle - and facing additional competition for the racist vote.

    Lib Dems have a ceiling, unlikely to break through nationally.

    So, when Polanski peaks and Starmer either sorts himself out or is replaced by a sensible choice. Labour are best placed.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,350
    edited 8:38AM
    This nasty and authoritarian government doesn't understand technology.

    Social media ban for under 16s could be in force this year

    The prime minister will use new powers to force through faster changes to the law, which could include phone curfews or a clampdown on scrolling features


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/social-media-fuels-gender-dysphoria-among-children-says-expert-lfnt72vv8
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,350

    Labour MPs are stupid, why would they want to stop my 100/1 tip Ed Miliband becoming MP?

    Keir Starmer granted stay of execution as Labour squabbles over successor

    From Angela Rayner’s outstanding tax issues to Wes Streeting’s messages to Lord Mandelson, there’s no clear candidate to replace the prime minister


    Cabinet ministers believe that Sir Keir Starmer will now survive beyond May by virtue of squabbling between the camps of contenders to replace him.

    The events of last week, when Star­mer survived an attempt to oust him, left Labour MPs and ministers “increasingly of the view that May might not be the moment,” a Labour source said.

    “The smart people are wondering whether the same reasons he fought off last week are still the same in May. It’s a combination of no one can agree, none of the candidates are ready and there’s no organised campaign.

    “There is a ‘stop Ed’ [Miliband] campaign, a ‘stop Wes’ [Streeting] campaign and a ‘stop Angela’ [Rayner] campaign,” the source said. “But there is no clear campaign for one candidate without a counter-campaign.”

    A close aide to a cabinet minister said: “There’s no obvious candidate. Even without her tax issues, there’s this idea that Rayner is Labour’s Liz Truss, which is very accurate.

    The internecine squabbling has led to increasing talk among Labour MPs, including ministers, about the possi­bility of a “unity candidate” emerging in the form of John Healey, the defence secretary, or Yvette Cooper, the foreign secretary. Two Labour MPs suggested that the pair could lead on a joint ticket and Cooper could serve as Healey’s chancellor. A minister suggested that Healey would also make a strong chancellor for Angela Rayner, the former deputy prime minister, who is seen as a leading contender to replace Starmer.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-leadership-rivals-squabble-may-elections-g9gbn5c9b

    Their view is that Ed Miliband cost Labour the 2015 election and his expensive energy policies will likely cost Labour the 2029 election. Besides which, the signs are Miliband no longer wants the top job.
    He wants it, that's why there's a stop Ed campaign.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,629
    @theprole fpt

    I thought it was reasonably well established that there were female Deacons in the early church - not teachers or Rabbis but still a senior pastoral (more significantly than today’s deacons)
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,526

    This nasty and authoritarian government doesn't understand technology.

    Social media ban for under 16s could be in force this year

    The prime minister will use new powers to force through faster changes to the law, which could include phone curfews or a clampdown on scrolling features


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/social-media-fuels-gender-dysphoria-among-children-says-expert-lfnt72vv8

    Politicians generally, and Starmer's Labour Government in particular, have a mix of technological deficiency and instinctive authoritarianism.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 500
    How much of the decline in predicted Reform performance is down to the emergence of Restore (and others) - is Lowe a sleeper agent? If the waters get muddied in FPTP contests with scores of candidates from the right, thats the perfect opportunity for an (unpopular) Labour party to sneak through the middle.

    On Starmer, reading the runes Labour were never keen to get rid of him before May, no one wanted to take on the horror show elections pending. Their chances of gaining Bute house in May have surely now completely evaporated, but are Labour seriously going to keep the PM in his job the whole year? I don't think his personal ratings are recoverable. Neither do I think he can gain popularity even if households start to feel their money/income is going further
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,823

    Combination of two effects?

    The apparently successful launch Rupert Spode's party is new news. He might not win many seats himself, but siphoning off a slice of Farage's vote hurts Reform a lot.

    That Starmer probably won't be on the ballot next time shouldn't be news, but apparently is. On such confusions profits and losses are made.

    Yes, I would guess that this is a(n over)reaction to Restore Britain launching. Lowe is, for inexplicable reasons, popular with the online brigade. (Maybe because Musk promotes him?) I don't think he has the rizz (as the kids say) to make much impact on the broader public, but if Tommy Robinson rows in behind him, maybe they can represent a serious threat to Reform's right flank.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,350
    edited 8:43AM

    This nasty and authoritarian government doesn't understand technology.

    Social media ban for under 16s could be in force this year

    The prime minister will use new powers to force through faster changes to the law, which could include phone curfews or a clampdown on scrolling features


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/social-media-fuels-gender-dysphoria-among-children-says-expert-lfnt72vv8

    Politicians generally, and Starmer's Labour Government in particular, have a mix of technological deficiency and instinctive authoritarianism.
    I still maintain the Online Safety Act, introduced by the Tories, is much much worse than this on those metrics.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 8,329

    This nasty and authoritarian government doesn't understand technology.

    Social media ban for under 16s could be in force this year

    The prime minister will use new powers to force through faster changes to the law, which could include phone curfews or a clampdown on scrolling features


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/social-media-fuels-gender-dysphoria-among-children-says-expert-lfnt72vv8

    Infinite scrolling. PB's ok, at least until that trans threader gets posted.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,526

    This nasty and authoritarian government doesn't understand technology.

    Social media ban for under 16s could be in force this year

    The prime minister will use new powers to force through faster changes to the law, which could include phone curfews or a clampdown on scrolling features


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/social-media-fuels-gender-dysphoria-among-children-says-expert-lfnt72vv8

    Politicians generally, and Starmer's Labour Government in particular, have a mix of technological deficiency and instinctive authoritarianism.
    I still maintain the Online Safety Act, introduced by the Tories, is much much worse than this on those metrics.
    The OSA is ridiculous. Making the internet safe for kids by passing legislation is about as likely to succeed as making motorways safe to play on. But you can certainly make things a pain in the arse for everybody else.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,514

    @theprole fpt

    I thought it was reasonably well established that there were female Deacons in the early church - not teachers or Rabbis but still a senior pastoral (more significantly than today’s deacons)

    Pliny tortured a pair of them.
  • isamisam Posts: 43,649
    Have we talked about the advantages of extremism lately? What did I miss?

    https://x.com/johncleese/status/1887539817484791962?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,514

    Combination of two effects?

    The apparently successful launch Rupert Spode's party is new news. He might not win many seats himself, but siphoning off a slice of Farage's vote hurts Reform a lot.

    That Starmer probably won't be on the ballot next time shouldn't be news, but apparently is. On such confusions profits and losses are made.

    Yes, I would guess that this is a(n over)reaction to Restore Britain launching. Lowe is, for inexplicable reasons, popular with the online brigade. (Maybe because Musk promotes him?) I don't think he has the rizz (as the kids say) to make much impact on the broader public, but if Tommy Robinson rows in behind him, maybe they can represent a serious threat to Reform's right flank.
    Farage/Reform is the leading brand. Advance/Restore are unknown to the general public, outside a handful of constituencies.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,644
    Sean_F said:

    @theprole fpt

    I thought it was reasonably well established that there were female Deacons in the early church - not teachers or Rabbis but still a senior pastoral (more significantly than today’s deacons)

    Pliny tortured a pair of them.
    With the enthusiastic later approval of Catherine Nixey, no doubt.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,823
    Restore Britain has attracted its first councillor, someone elected for Reform who then went independent.

    That means they now have the same number of councillors at UKIP.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,990
    edited 8:56AM
    isam said:

    Have we talked about the advantages of extremism lately? What did I miss?

    https://x.com/johncleese/status/1887539817484791962

    Based John Cleese has been a Twitter highlight of the past few weeks. He’s obviously a little bored and fed up with the woke left.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,644
    Sandpit said:

    isam said:

    Have we talked about the advantages of extremism lately? What did I miss?

    https://x.com/johncleese/status/1887539817484791962

    Based John Cleese has been a Twitter highlight of the past few weeks. He’s obviously a little bored and fed up with the woke left.
    The pounding he got before was just a flesh wound.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,941

    The Farage paradox: He has sold Reform as the cure for 14 years of Tory decline, yet spends his energy trying to recruit the very Conservatives he blames for the mess

    Tbf he’s sold the Reform cure to a bunch of Tory retreads and has beens. It’s a start I guess.
    And probably an end too.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,514
    ydoethur said:

    Sean_F said:

    @theprole fpt

    I thought it was reasonably well established that there were female Deacons in the early church - not teachers or Rabbis but still a senior pastoral (more significantly than today’s deacons)

    Pliny tortured a pair of them.
    With the enthusiastic later approval of Catherine Nixey, no doubt.
    Proof of the “fundamentally liberal and tolerant” nature of the Roman Empire.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,823
    Sean_F said:

    Combination of two effects?

    The apparently successful launch Rupert Spode's party is new news. He might not win many seats himself, but siphoning off a slice of Farage's vote hurts Reform a lot.

    That Starmer probably won't be on the ballot next time shouldn't be news, but apparently is. On such confusions profits and losses are made.

    Yes, I would guess that this is a(n over)reaction to Restore Britain launching. Lowe is, for inexplicable reasons, popular with the online brigade. (Maybe because Musk promotes him?) I don't think he has the rizz (as the kids say) to make much impact on the broader public, but if Tommy Robinson rows in behind him, maybe they can represent a serious threat to Reform's right flank.
    Farage/Reform is the leading brand. Advance/Restore are unknown to the general public, outside a handful of constituencies.
    Tommy is also a brand.

    Although he's recently fled the country because, he says, he's been targetted by ISIS, and you can donate some money to help him protect his family. (I happened to be talking to an expert on ISIS at the weekend. They said, no, ISIS are definitely not targetting Tommy Robinson.)
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,783

    Sean_F said:

    Combination of two effects?

    The apparently successful launch Rupert Spode's party is new news. He might not win many seats himself, but siphoning off a slice of Farage's vote hurts Reform a lot.

    That Starmer probably won't be on the ballot next time shouldn't be news, but apparently is. On such confusions profits and losses are made.

    Yes, I would guess that this is a(n over)reaction to Restore Britain launching. Lowe is, for inexplicable reasons, popular with the online brigade. (Maybe because Musk promotes him?) I don't think he has the rizz (as the kids say) to make much impact on the broader public, but if Tommy Robinson rows in behind him, maybe they can represent a serious threat to Reform's right flank.
    Farage/Reform is the leading brand. Advance/Restore are unknown to the general public, outside a handful of constituencies.
    Tommy is also a brand.

    Although he's recently fled the country because, he says, he's been targetted by ISIS, and you can donate some money to help him protect his family. (I happened to be talking to an expert on ISIS at the weekend. They said, no, ISIS are definitely not targetting Tommy Robinson.)
    Why would they target him? He's good for them, they're good for him. Two cheeks, same arse.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,768

    Sean_F said:

    Combination of two effects?

    The apparently successful launch Rupert Spode's party is new news. He might not win many seats himself, but siphoning off a slice of Farage's vote hurts Reform a lot.

    That Starmer probably won't be on the ballot next time shouldn't be news, but apparently is. On such confusions profits and losses are made.

    Yes, I would guess that this is a(n over)reaction to Restore Britain launching. Lowe is, for inexplicable reasons, popular with the online brigade. (Maybe because Musk promotes him?) I don't think he has the rizz (as the kids say) to make much impact on the broader public, but if Tommy Robinson rows in behind him, maybe they can represent a serious threat to Reform's right flank.
    Farage/Reform is the leading brand. Advance/Restore are unknown to the general public, outside a handful of constituencies.
    Tommy is also a brand.

    Although he's recently fled the country because, he says, he's been targetted by ISIS, and you can donate some money to help him protect his family. (I happened to be talking to an expert on ISIS at the weekend. They said, no, ISIS are definitely not targetting Tommy Robinson.)
    Tommy Robinson vs ISIS

    Hmmmmmm

    That raises a deep philosophical conundrum

    Sweet or salted popcorn?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,629
    Sean_F said:

    @theprole fpt

    I thought it was reasonably well established that there were female Deacons in the early church - not teachers or Rabbis but still a senior pastoral (more significantly than today’s deacons)

    Pliny tortured a pair of them.
    Always good to have independent evidence.

    Although perhaps less good for the deaconesses
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,941

    The Farage paradox: He has sold Reform as the cure for 14 years of Tory decline, yet spends his energy trying to recruit the very Conservatives he blames for the mess

    Robert Jenrick is going to be furious when he finds out that he was Housing Secretary between 2019 and 2021.

    The two old parties made housing unaffordable.

    Reform is now the home for aspirational young people.

    Simon has the real world experience to break the cycle of broken promises.


    https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/2020931265931985171
    Restore Britain can at least rip the piss out of Jenrick.

    Heh!
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,629
    edited 9:06AM
    ydoethur said:

    Sean_F said:

    @theprole fpt

    I thought it was reasonably well established that there were female Deacons in the early church - not teachers or Rabbis but still a senior pastoral (more significantly than today’s deacons)

    Pliny tortured a pair of them.
    With the enthusiastic later approval of Catherine Nixey, no doubt.
    Her wiki bio includes the intriguing line

    “Her mother was a nun and her father a monk [further explanation needed]”

    Ya think?!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,048
    Tactical anti Reform voting will be key as to whether Labour win most seats or not
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,644

    ydoethur said:

    Sean_F said:

    @theprole fpt

    I thought it was reasonably well established that there were female Deacons in the early church - not teachers or Rabbis but still a senior pastoral (more significantly than today’s deacons)

    Pliny tortured a pair of them.
    With the enthusiastic later approval of Catherine Nixey, no doubt.
    Her wiki bio includes the intriguing line

    “Her mother was a nun and her father a monk [further explanation needed]”

    Ya think?!
    They had both resigned their orders before getting married.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,768

    Sean_F said:

    Combination of two effects?

    The apparently successful launch Rupert Spode's party is new news. He might not win many seats himself, but siphoning off a slice of Farage's vote hurts Reform a lot.

    That Starmer probably won't be on the ballot next time shouldn't be news, but apparently is. On such confusions profits and losses are made.

    Yes, I would guess that this is a(n over)reaction to Restore Britain launching. Lowe is, for inexplicable reasons, popular with the online brigade. (Maybe because Musk promotes him?) I don't think he has the rizz (as the kids say) to make much impact on the broader public, but if Tommy Robinson rows in behind him, maybe they can represent a serious threat to Reform's right flank.
    Farage/Reform is the leading brand. Advance/Restore are unknown to the general public, outside a handful of constituencies.
    Tommy is also a brand.

    Although he's recently fled the country because, he says, he's been targetted by ISIS, and you can donate some money to help him protect his family. (I happened to be talking to an expert on ISIS at the weekend. They said, no, ISIS are definitely not targetting Tommy Robinson.)
    Why would they target him? He's good for them, they're good for him. Two cheeks, same arse.
    As the SWP found out, way back, the Head Choppy types take pride in Death To The West being applied to everyone.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,768
    Sean_F said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sean_F said:

    @theprole fpt

    I thought it was reasonably well established that there were female Deacons in the early church - not teachers or Rabbis but still a senior pastoral (more significantly than today’s deacons)

    Pliny tortured a pair of them.
    With the enthusiastic later approval of Catherine Nixey, no doubt.
    Proof of the “fundamentally liberal and tolerant” nature of the Roman Empire.
    Thomas Moore imprisoned heretics in his basement and gave them a tune up. And he made Saint.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,048
    Sean_F said:

    Combination of two effects?

    The apparently successful launch Rupert Spode's party is new news. He might not win many seats himself, but siphoning off a slice of Farage's vote hurts Reform a lot.

    That Starmer probably won't be on the ballot next time shouldn't be news, but apparently is. On such confusions profits and losses are made.

    Yes, I would guess that this is a(n over)reaction to Restore Britain launching. Lowe is, for inexplicable reasons, popular with the online brigade. (Maybe because Musk promotes him?) I don't think he has the rizz (as the kids say) to make much impact on the broader public, but if Tommy Robinson rows in behind him, maybe they can represent a serious threat to Reform's right flank.
    Farage/Reform is the leading brand. Advance/Restore are unknown to the general public, outside a handful of constituencies.
    Tommy Robinson is known and has backed Advance before but also is a supporter of Lowe.

    Robinson is not a fan of Farage but he did tell his supporters to back Reform candidate Matt Goodwin in Gorton and Denton
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,514

    Sean_F said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sean_F said:

    @theprole fpt

    I thought it was reasonably well established that there were female Deacons in the early church - not teachers or Rabbis but still a senior pastoral (more significantly than today’s deacons)

    Pliny tortured a pair of them.
    With the enthusiastic later approval of Catherine Nixey, no doubt.
    Proof of the “fundamentally liberal and tolerant” nature of the Roman Empire.
    Thomas Moore imprisoned heretics in his basement and gave them a tune up. And he made Saint.
    The Thomas More of history, and the Thomas More of A Man For All Seasons, bear little relation to each other.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,582
    edited 9:12AM

    Combination of two effects?

    The apparently successful launch Rupert Spode's party is new news. He might not win many seats himself, but siphoning off a slice of Farage's vote hurts Reform a lot.

    That Starmer probably won't be on the ballot next time shouldn't be news, but apparently is. On such confusions profits and losses are made.

    Yes, I would guess that this is a(n over)reaction to Restore Britain launching. Lowe is, for inexplicable reasons, popular with the online brigade. (Maybe because Musk promotes him?) I don't think he has the rizz (as the kids say) to make much impact on the broader public, but if Tommy Robinson rows in behind him, maybe they can represent a serious threat to Reform's right flank.
    Rupert Lowe is an estimable and noble gent in many ways, as we all can surely agree (for once!), but one of the best things about him is that he shifts the Overton Windpw firmly to the right, Making Reform look what they are: a sensible centrist vote. For ethnocentrist dads

    Thus he possibly benefits Farage
  • eekeek Posts: 32,599
    HYUFD said:

    Sean_F said:

    Combination of two effects?

    The apparently successful launch Rupert Spode's party is new news. He might not win many seats himself, but siphoning off a slice of Farage's vote hurts Reform a lot.

    That Starmer probably won't be on the ballot next time shouldn't be news, but apparently is. On such confusions profits and losses are made.

    Yes, I would guess that this is a(n over)reaction to Restore Britain launching. Lowe is, for inexplicable reasons, popular with the online brigade. (Maybe because Musk promotes him?) I don't think he has the rizz (as the kids say) to make much impact on the broader public, but if Tommy Robinson rows in behind him, maybe they can represent a serious threat to Reform's right flank.
    Farage/Reform is the leading brand. Advance/Restore are unknown to the general public, outside a handful of constituencies.
    Tommy Robinson is known and has backed Advance before but also is a supporter of Lowe.

    Robinson is not a fan of Farage but he did tell his supporters to back Reform candidate Matt Goodwin in Gorton and Denton
    Nice to see Matt Goodwin gets the racist twat votes.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,514

    Sean_F said:

    @theprole fpt

    I thought it was reasonably well established that there were female Deacons in the early church - not teachers or Rabbis but still a senior pastoral (more significantly than today’s deacons)

    Pliny tortured a pair of them.
    Always good to have independent evidence.

    Although perhaps less good for the deaconesses
    They were slaves, and so they had to be tortured, before giving evidence, under Roman law.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,599

    Sean_F said:

    Combination of two effects?

    The apparently successful launch Rupert Spode's party is new news. He might not win many seats himself, but siphoning off a slice of Farage's vote hurts Reform a lot.

    That Starmer probably won't be on the ballot next time shouldn't be news, but apparently is. On such confusions profits and losses are made.

    Yes, I would guess that this is a(n over)reaction to Restore Britain launching. Lowe is, for inexplicable reasons, popular with the online brigade. (Maybe because Musk promotes him?) I don't think he has the rizz (as the kids say) to make much impact on the broader public, but if Tommy Robinson rows in behind him, maybe they can represent a serious threat to Reform's right flank.
    Farage/Reform is the leading brand. Advance/Restore are unknown to the general public, outside a handful of constituencies.
    Tommy is also a brand.

    Although he's recently fled the country because, he says, he's been targetted by ISIS, and you can donate some money to help him protect his family. (I happened to be talking to an expert on ISIS at the weekend. They said, no, ISIS are definitely not targetting Tommy Robinson.)
    Tommy has to have some reason to seek yet more money from
    His follows.

    Is being targeted by ISIS - the new jumping the shark
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,634
    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sean_F said:

    @theprole fpt

    I thought it was reasonably well established that there were female Deacons in the early church - not teachers or Rabbis but still a senior pastoral (more significantly than today’s deacons)

    Pliny tortured a pair of them.
    With the enthusiastic later approval of Catherine Nixey, no doubt.
    Proof of the “fundamentally liberal and tolerant” nature of the Roman Empire.
    Thomas Moore imprisoned heretics in his basement and gave them a tune up. And he made Saint.
    The Thomas More of history, and the Thomas More of A Man For All Seasons, bear little relation to each other.
    More was no saint. His friend Erasmus, who has not be sainted, is the one who should be.

  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,881
    algarkirk said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sean_F said:

    @theprole fpt

    I thought it was reasonably well established that there were female Deacons in the early church - not teachers or Rabbis but still a senior pastoral (more significantly than today’s deacons)

    Pliny tortured a pair of them.
    With the enthusiastic later approval of Catherine Nixey, no doubt.
    Proof of the “fundamentally liberal and tolerant” nature of the Roman Empire.
    Thomas Moore imprisoned heretics in his basement and gave them a tune up. And he made Saint.
    The Thomas More of history, and the Thomas More of A Man For All Seasons, bear little relation to each other.
    More was no saint. His friend Erasmus, who has not be sainted, is the one who should be.

    I suspect most saints were no saints.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,741
    It seems that the less significant factor is a Labour recovery, more that Reform support has fallen off a cliff. The only likely factor I can see is the Conservative defections to Reform. But this isn't polling, it's betting. Does polling follow the same pattern? And where are the LibDems in this? Surely they have a better chance of Most Seats than the Greens?

    Good morning, everybody.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,917

    ydoethur said:

    Sean_F said:

    @theprole fpt

    I thought it was reasonably well established that there were female Deacons in the early church - not teachers or Rabbis but still a senior pastoral (more significantly than today’s deacons)

    Pliny tortured a pair of them.
    With the enthusiastic later approval of Catherine Nixey, no doubt.
    Her wiki bio includes the intriguing line

    “Her mother was a nun and her father a monk [further explanation needed]”

    Ya think?!
    Not really - that kind of thing used to be rather widespread. The dissolution of the monasteries under good old Henry 8th wasn't only about nicking the money and land...
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,741

    Labour MPs are stupid, why would they want to stop my 100/1 tip Ed Miliband becoming PM?

    Keir Starmer granted stay of execution as Labour squabbles over successor

    From Angela Rayner’s outstanding tax issues to Wes Streeting’s messages to Lord Mandelson, there’s no clear candidate to replace the prime minister


    Cabinet ministers believe that Sir Keir Starmer will now survive beyond May by virtue of squabbling between the camps of contenders to replace him.

    The events of last week, when Star­mer survived an attempt to oust him, left Labour MPs and ministers “increasingly of the view that May might not be the moment,” a Labour source said.

    “The smart people are wondering whether the same reasons he fought off last week are still the same in May. It’s a combination of no one can agree, none of the candidates are ready and there’s no organised campaign.

    “There is a ‘stop Ed’ [Miliband] campaign, a ‘stop Wes’ [Streeting] campaign and a ‘stop Angela’ [Rayner] campaign,” the source said. “But there is no clear campaign for one candidate without a counter-campaign.”

    A close aide to a cabinet minister said: “There’s no obvious candidate. Even without her tax issues, there’s this idea that Rayner is Labour’s Liz Truss, which is very accurate.

    The internecine squabbling has led to increasing talk among Labour MPs, including ministers, about the possi­bility of a “unity candidate” emerging in the form of John Healey, the defence secretary, or Yvette Cooper, the foreign secretary. Two Labour MPs suggested that the pair could lead on a joint ticket and Cooper could serve as Healey’s chancellor. A minister suggested that Healey would also make a strong chancellor for Angela Rayner, the former deputy prime minister, who is seen as a leading contender to replace Starmer.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-leadership-rivals-squabble-may-elections-g9gbn5c9b

    Surely they could all coalesce behind Mr Corbyn again?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,917
    algarkirk said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sean_F said:

    @theprole fpt

    I thought it was reasonably well established that there were female Deacons in the early church - not teachers or Rabbis but still a senior pastoral (more significantly than today’s deacons)

    Pliny tortured a pair of them.
    With the enthusiastic later approval of Catherine Nixey, no doubt.
    Proof of the “fundamentally liberal and tolerant” nature of the Roman Empire.
    Thomas Moore imprisoned heretics in his basement and gave them a tune up. And he made Saint.
    The Thomas More of history, and the Thomas More of A Man For All Seasons, bear little relation to each other.
    More was no saint. His friend Erasmus, who has not be sainted, is the one who should be.

    If you believed, as More would have done, that he was saving the person's soul, then might be persuaded that the torture was a good thing for them.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,783
    Leon said:

    Combination of two effects?

    The apparently successful launch Rupert Spode's party is new news. He might not win many seats himself, but siphoning off a slice of Farage's vote hurts Reform a lot.

    That Starmer probably won't be on the ballot next time shouldn't be news, but apparently is. On such confusions profits and losses are made.

    Yes, I would guess that this is a(n over)reaction to Restore Britain launching. Lowe is, for inexplicable reasons, popular with the online brigade. (Maybe because Musk promotes him?) I don't think he has the rizz (as the kids say) to make much impact on the broader public, but if Tommy Robinson rows in behind him, maybe they can represent a serious threat to Reform's right flank.
    Rupert Lowe is an estimable and noble gent in many ways, as we all can surely agree (for once!), but one of the best things about him is that he shifts the Overton Windpw firmly to the right, Making Reform look what they are: a sensible centrist vote. For ethnocentrist dads

    Thus he possibly benefits Farage
    Have the Greens or Your Party dragged the Overton Window leftward? Not as I have noticed.
    Farage remains what he has always been, a rightwing traditional Tory hoping to show enough leg to voters further to the right to persuade them into his camp while maintaining enough distance from outright fascists to keep centre right voters on board. I reckon Lowe unambiguously makes that position harder for him to maintain.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,582
    edited 9:28AM

    Sean_F said:

    Combination of two effects?

    The apparently successful launch Rupert Spode's party is new news. He might not win many seats himself, but siphoning off a slice of Farage's vote hurts Reform a lot.

    That Starmer probably won't be on the ballot next time shouldn't be news, but apparently is. On such confusions profits and losses are made.

    Yes, I would guess that this is a(n over)reaction to Restore Britain launching. Lowe is, for inexplicable reasons, popular with the online brigade. (Maybe because Musk promotes him?) I don't think he has the rizz (as the kids say) to make much impact on the broader public, but if Tommy Robinson rows in behind him, maybe they can represent a serious threat to Reform's right flank.
    Farage/Reform is the leading brand. Advance/Restore are unknown to the general public, outside a handful of constituencies.
    Tommy is also a brand.

    Although he's recently fled the country because, he says, he's been targetted by ISIS, and you can donate some money to help him protect his family. (I happened to be talking to an expert on ISIS at the weekend. They said, no, ISIS are definitely not targetting Tommy Robinson.)
    Tommy Robinson is, in fact, being targeted by ISIS

    "The Bedfordshire Police officer can be heard informing Robinson during the conversation: "So we have received intelligence that an Isis publication has stated... are encouraging others to commit violence against yourself."

    "The constabulary, responsible for policing Robinson's native Luton, verified the telephone exchange was genuine and took place on Thursday, reports the Mirror.

    "During the recording, Robinson enquired whether he might obtain a copy of the material, but was advised it is probably classified as proscribed content, which UK residents are prohibited from holding under counter- terrorism legislation. During the call, the officer proceeds to inform Robinson that he lacks authorisation to carry weapons or "take pre-emptive action" against others."

    https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/tommy-robinson-leaves-uk-after-33424514

    Dunno, maybe you, @bondegezou are the sort of ultra-brave type that would shrug off a call by ISIS for its followers to harm or kill you, but I somehow suspect you are not "the ultra-brave type", indeed I imagine you are the absolute opposite, a delta-gamma cuck who would scuttle away if you were slightly menaced by the Salvation Army
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,115
    Leon said:

    Combination of two effects?

    The apparently successful launch Rupert Spode's party is new news. He might not win many seats himself, but siphoning off a slice of Farage's vote hurts Reform a lot.

    That Starmer probably won't be on the ballot next time shouldn't be news, but apparently is. On such confusions profits and losses are made.

    Yes, I would guess that this is a(n over)reaction to Restore Britain launching. Lowe is, for inexplicable reasons, popular with the online brigade. (Maybe because Musk promotes him?) I don't think he has the rizz (as the kids say) to make much impact on the broader public, but if Tommy Robinson rows in behind him, maybe they can represent a serious threat to Reform's right flank.
    Rupert Lowe is an estimable and noble gent in many ways, as we all can surely agree (for once!), but one of the best things about him is that he shifts the Overton Windpw firmly to the right, Making Reform look what they are: a sensible centrist vote. For ethnocentrist dads

    Thus he possibly benefits Farage
    He's such an enthusiast for small boats that I can't help wonder if he saw Chitty-Chitty-Bang-Bang with it's "boat back" , or a Buick Riviera, or even an Amphicar, he would think it was another Asylum Invasion, even were he in Coton in the Elms, Derbyshire.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,582
    edited 9:35AM

    Leon said:

    Combination of two effects?

    The apparently successful launch Rupert Spode's party is new news. He might not win many seats himself, but siphoning off a slice of Farage's vote hurts Reform a lot.

    That Starmer probably won't be on the ballot next time shouldn't be news, but apparently is. On such confusions profits and losses are made.

    Yes, I would guess that this is a(n over)reaction to Restore Britain launching. Lowe is, for inexplicable reasons, popular with the online brigade. (Maybe because Musk promotes him?) I don't think he has the rizz (as the kids say) to make much impact on the broader public, but if Tommy Robinson rows in behind him, maybe they can represent a serious threat to Reform's right flank.
    Rupert Lowe is an estimable and noble gent in many ways, as we all can surely agree (for once!), but one of the best things about him is that he shifts the Overton Windpw firmly to the right, Making Reform look what they are: a sensible centrist vote. For ethnocentrist dads

    Thus he possibly benefits Farage
    Have the Greens or Your Party dragged the Overton Window leftward? Not as I have noticed.
    Farage remains what he has always been, a rightwing traditional Tory hoping to show enough leg to voters further to the right to persuade them into his camp while maintaining enough distance from outright fascists to keep centre right voters on board. I reckon Lowe unambiguously makes that position harder for him to maintain.
    Actually, I think the Greens HAVE successfully shifted the Green Overton Window, hence the absurdity that is Ed Miliband's ministerial career 2024-now

    Your Party, not so much, unless there is an Overton Window of political ineptitude, which they are eager to fill
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,768

    ydoethur said:

    Sean_F said:

    @theprole fpt

    I thought it was reasonably well established that there were female Deacons in the early church - not teachers or Rabbis but still a senior pastoral (more significantly than today’s deacons)

    Pliny tortured a pair of them.
    With the enthusiastic later approval of Catherine Nixey, no doubt.
    Her wiki bio includes the intriguing line

    “Her mother was a nun and her father a monk [further explanation needed]”

    Ya think?!
    Not really - that kind of thing used to be rather widespread. The dissolution of the monasteries under good old Henry 8th wasn't only about nicking the money and land...
    Yup.

    The number of people who are astonished when you tell them https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wycliffe existed....
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,527
    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Combination of two effects?

    The apparently successful launch Rupert Spode's party is new news. He might not win many seats himself, but siphoning off a slice of Farage's vote hurts Reform a lot.

    That Starmer probably won't be on the ballot next time shouldn't be news, but apparently is. On such confusions profits and losses are made.

    Yes, I would guess that this is a(n over)reaction to Restore Britain launching. Lowe is, for inexplicable reasons, popular with the online brigade. (Maybe because Musk promotes him?) I don't think he has the rizz (as the kids say) to make much impact on the broader public, but if Tommy Robinson rows in behind him, maybe they can represent a serious threat to Reform's right flank.
    Farage/Reform is the leading brand. Advance/Restore are unknown to the general public, outside a handful of constituencies.
    Tommy is also a brand.

    Although he's recently fled the country because, he says, he's been targetted by ISIS, and you can donate some money to help him protect his family. (I happened to be talking to an expert on ISIS at the weekend. They said, no, ISIS are definitely not targetting Tommy Robinson.)
    Tommy Robinson is, in fact, being targeted by ISIS

    "The Bedfordshire Police officer can be heard informing Robinson during the conversation: "So we have received intelligence that an Isis publication has stated... are encouraging others to commit violence against yourself."

    "The constabulary, responsible for policing Robinson's native Luton, verified the telephone exchange was genuine and took place on Thursday, reports the Mirror.

    "During the recording, Robinson enquired whether he might obtain a copy of the material, but was advised it is probably classified as proscribed content, which UK residents are prohibited from holding under counter- terrorism legislation. During the call, the officer proceeds to inform Robinson that he lacks authorisation to carry weapons or "take pre-emptive action" against others."

    https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/tommy-robinson-leaves-uk-after-33424514

    Dunno, maybe you, @bondegezou are the sort of ultra-brave type that would shrug off a call by ISIS for its followers to harm or kill you, but I somehow suspect you are not "the ultra-brave type", indeed I imagine you are the absolute opposite, a delta-gamma cuck who would scuttle away if you were slightly menaced by the Salvation Army
    The world would be a better place if ISIS successfully attacked Tommy Robinson.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,895
    Starry said:

    eek said:

    Sean_F said:

    Combination of two effects?

    The apparently successful launch Rupert Spode's party is new news. He might not win many seats himself, but siphoning off a slice of Farage's vote hurts Reform a lot.

    That Starmer probably won't be on the ballot next time shouldn't be news, but apparently is. On such confusions profits and losses are made.

    Yes, I would guess that this is a(n over)reaction to Restore Britain launching. Lowe is, for inexplicable reasons, popular with the online brigade. (Maybe because Musk promotes him?) I don't think he has the rizz (as the kids say) to make much impact on the broader public, but if Tommy Robinson rows in behind him, maybe they can represent a serious threat to Reform's right flank.
    Farage/Reform is the leading brand. Advance/Restore are unknown to the general public, outside a handful of constituencies.
    Tommy is also a brand.

    Although he's recently fled the country because, he says, he's been targetted by ISIS, and you can donate some money to help him protect his family. (I happened to be talking to an expert on ISIS at the weekend. They said, no, ISIS are definitely not targetting Tommy Robinson.)
    Tommy has to have some reason to seek yet more money from
    His follows.

    Is being targeted by ISIS - the new jumping the shark
    Don't you hate it when fighting age men flee their own country, leaving their families behind, then expect other people to give them a handout.
    Doesn't he already live in Spain?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,582
    edited 9:35AM

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Combination of two effects?

    The apparently successful launch Rupert Spode's party is new news. He might not win many seats himself, but siphoning off a slice of Farage's vote hurts Reform a lot.

    That Starmer probably won't be on the ballot next time shouldn't be news, but apparently is. On such confusions profits and losses are made.

    Yes, I would guess that this is a(n over)reaction to Restore Britain launching. Lowe is, for inexplicable reasons, popular with the online brigade. (Maybe because Musk promotes him?) I don't think he has the rizz (as the kids say) to make much impact on the broader public, but if Tommy Robinson rows in behind him, maybe they can represent a serious threat to Reform's right flank.
    Farage/Reform is the leading brand. Advance/Restore are unknown to the general public, outside a handful of constituencies.
    Tommy is also a brand.

    Although he's recently fled the country because, he says, he's been targetted by ISIS, and you can donate some money to help him protect his family. (I happened to be talking to an expert on ISIS at the weekend. They said, no, ISIS are definitely not targetting Tommy Robinson.)
    Tommy Robinson is, in fact, being targeted by ISIS

    "The Bedfordshire Police officer can be heard informing Robinson during the conversation: "So we have received intelligence that an Isis publication has stated... are encouraging others to commit violence against yourself."

    "The constabulary, responsible for policing Robinson's native Luton, verified the telephone exchange was genuine and took place on Thursday, reports the Mirror.

    "During the recording, Robinson enquired whether he might obtain a copy of the material, but was advised it is probably classified as proscribed content, which UK residents are prohibited from holding under counter- terrorism legislation. During the call, the officer proceeds to inform Robinson that he lacks authorisation to carry weapons or "take pre-emptive action" against others."

    https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/tommy-robinson-leaves-uk-after-33424514

    Dunno, maybe you, @bondegezou are the sort of ultra-brave type that would shrug off a call by ISIS for its followers to harm or kill you, but I somehow suspect you are not "the ultra-brave type", indeed I imagine you are the absolute opposite, a delta-gamma cuck who would scuttle away if you were slightly menaced by the Salvation Army
    The world would be a better place if ISIS successfully attacked Tommy Robinson.
    That's you openly wishing death on someone; indeed that's you openly wishing for a successfully murderous attack by IslamoNazis on a British citizen

    Do you thank benefits the forum? Or your soul?
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,561
    Leon said:

    Combination of two effects?

    The apparently successful launch Rupert Spode's party is new news. He might not win many seats himself, but siphoning off a slice of Farage's vote hurts Reform a lot.

    That Starmer probably won't be on the ballot next time shouldn't be news, but apparently is. On such confusions profits and losses are made.

    Yes, I would guess that this is a(n over)reaction to Restore Britain launching. Lowe is, for inexplicable reasons, popular with the online brigade. (Maybe because Musk promotes him?) I don't think he has the rizz (as the kids say) to make much impact on the broader public, but if Tommy Robinson rows in behind him, maybe they can represent a serious threat to Reform's right flank.
    Rupert Lowe is an estimable and noble gent in many ways, as we all can surely agree (for once!), but one of the best things about him is that he shifts the Overton Windpw firmly to the right, Making Reform look what they are: a sensible centrist vote. For ethnocentrist dads

    Thus he possibly benefits Farage
    Except that Roop evidently has a very large axe which he wishes to grind on Nige's head and, possibly, other parts of his anatomy. A messy scrap between the far rightists may not be optimal for Reform's prospects.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 502
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Combination of two effects?

    The apparently successful launch Rupert Spode's party is new news. He might not win many seats himself, but siphoning off a slice of Farage's vote hurts Reform a lot.

    That Starmer probably won't be on the ballot next time shouldn't be news, but apparently is. On such confusions profits and losses are made.

    Yes, I would guess that this is a(n over)reaction to Restore Britain launching. Lowe is, for inexplicable reasons, popular with the online brigade. (Maybe because Musk promotes him?) I don't think he has the rizz (as the kids say) to make much impact on the broader public, but if Tommy Robinson rows in behind him, maybe they can represent a serious threat to Reform's right flank.
    Farage/Reform is the leading brand. Advance/Restore are unknown to the general public, outside a handful of constituencies.
    Tommy is also a brand.

    Although he's recently fled the country because, he says, he's been targetted by ISIS, and you can donate some money to help him protect his family. (I happened to be talking to an expert on ISIS at the weekend. They said, no, ISIS are definitely not targetting Tommy Robinson.)
    Tommy Robinson is, in fact, being targeted by ISIS

    "The Bedfordshire Police officer can be heard informing Robinson during the conversation: "So we have received intelligence that an Isis publication has stated... are encouraging others to commit violence against yourself."

    "The constabulary, responsible for policing Robinson's native Luton, verified the telephone exchange was genuine and took place on Thursday, reports the Mirror.

    "During the recording, Robinson enquired whether he might obtain a copy of the material, but was advised it is probably classified as proscribed content, which UK residents are prohibited from holding under counter- terrorism legislation. During the call, the officer proceeds to inform Robinson that he lacks authorisation to carry weapons or "take pre-emptive action" against others."

    https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/tommy-robinson-leaves-uk-after-33424514

    Dunno, maybe you, @bondegezou are the sort of ultra-brave type that would shrug off a call by ISIS for its followers to harm or kill you, but I somehow suspect you are not "the ultra-brave type", indeed I imagine you are the absolute opposite, a delta-gamma cuck who would scuttle away if you were slightly menaced by the Salvation Army
    The world would be a better place if ISIS successfully attacked Tommy Robinson.
    That's you openly wishing death on someone; indeed that's you openly wishing for a successfully murderous attack by IslamoNazis on a British citizen

    Do you thank benefits the forum? Or your soul?
    Personally I'd rather see the bastard rot in a hell hole jail somewhere for the rest of his life.

    If UK prisons are too soft may be we could swop him for someone in a hell hole despot County, or Hong Kong may be - let the Chinese have him.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,620

    Labour MPs are stupid, why would they want to stop my 100/1 tip Ed Miliband becoming PM?

    Keir Starmer granted stay of execution as Labour squabbles over successor

    From Angela Rayner’s outstanding tax issues to Wes Streeting’s messages to Lord Mandelson, there’s no clear candidate to replace the prime minister


    Cabinet ministers believe that Sir Keir Starmer will now survive beyond May by virtue of squabbling between the camps of contenders to replace him.

    The events of last week, when Star­mer survived an attempt to oust him, left Labour MPs and ministers “increasingly of the view that May might not be the moment,” a Labour source said.

    “The smart people are wondering whether the same reasons he fought off last week are still the same in May. It’s a combination of no one can agree, none of the candidates are ready and there’s no organised campaign.

    “There is a ‘stop Ed’ [Miliband] campaign, a ‘stop Wes’ [Streeting] campaign and a ‘stop Angela’ [Rayner] campaign,” the source said. “But there is no clear campaign for one candidate without a counter-campaign.”

    A close aide to a cabinet minister said: “There’s no obvious candidate. Even without her tax issues, there’s this idea that Rayner is Labour’s Liz Truss, which is very accurate.

    The internecine squabbling has led to increasing talk among Labour MPs, including ministers, about the possi­bility of a “unity candidate” emerging in the form of John Healey, the defence secretary, or Yvette Cooper, the foreign secretary. Two Labour MPs suggested that the pair could lead on a joint ticket and Cooper could serve as Healey’s chancellor. A minister suggested that Healey would also make a strong chancellor for Angela Rayner, the former deputy prime minister, who is seen as a leading contender to replace Starmer.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-leadership-rivals-squabble-may-elections-g9gbn5c9b

    The largest party in Parliament by miles, the party of government and they can't find a better candidate for PM than Sir Keir Starmer. If you want proof of the parlous state of our political establishment surely this is it?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,582

    Leon said:

    Combination of two effects?

    The apparently successful launch Rupert Spode's party is new news. He might not win many seats himself, but siphoning off a slice of Farage's vote hurts Reform a lot.

    That Starmer probably won't be on the ballot next time shouldn't be news, but apparently is. On such confusions profits and losses are made.

    Yes, I would guess that this is a(n over)reaction to Restore Britain launching. Lowe is, for inexplicable reasons, popular with the online brigade. (Maybe because Musk promotes him?) I don't think he has the rizz (as the kids say) to make much impact on the broader public, but if Tommy Robinson rows in behind him, maybe they can represent a serious threat to Reform's right flank.
    Rupert Lowe is an estimable and noble gent in many ways, as we all can surely agree (for once!), but one of the best things about him is that he shifts the Overton Windpw firmly to the right, Making Reform look what they are: a sensible centrist vote. For ethnocentrist dads

    Thus he possibly benefits Farage
    Except that Roop evidently has a very large axe which he wishes to grind on Nige's head and, possibly, other parts of his anatomy. A messy scrap between the far rightists may not be optimal for Reform's prospects.
    Possibly

    He's an interesting chap, El Roop

    I find his politics a bit too gamey, even for my rightwing tastes, but he's impressive on camera. Eloquent, calm, unflnching, and with a definite charisma, inasmuch as an old school Tory farming type can be "charismatic"

    A Cameroon, he is not, but until about 30-40 years ago gents like him were the backbone of the Conservatives
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,527
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Combination of two effects?

    The apparently successful launch Rupert Spode's party is new news. He might not win many seats himself, but siphoning off a slice of Farage's vote hurts Reform a lot.

    That Starmer probably won't be on the ballot next time shouldn't be news, but apparently is. On such confusions profits and losses are made.

    Yes, I would guess that this is a(n over)reaction to Restore Britain launching. Lowe is, for inexplicable reasons, popular with the online brigade. (Maybe because Musk promotes him?) I don't think he has the rizz (as the kids say) to make much impact on the broader public, but if Tommy Robinson rows in behind him, maybe they can represent a serious threat to Reform's right flank.
    Farage/Reform is the leading brand. Advance/Restore are unknown to the general public, outside a handful of constituencies.
    Tommy is also a brand.

    Although he's recently fled the country because, he says, he's been targetted by ISIS, and you can donate some money to help him protect his family. (I happened to be talking to an expert on ISIS at the weekend. They said, no, ISIS are definitely not targetting Tommy Robinson.)
    Tommy Robinson is, in fact, being targeted by ISIS

    "The Bedfordshire Police officer can be heard informing Robinson during the conversation: "So we have received intelligence that an Isis publication has stated... are encouraging others to commit violence against yourself."

    "The constabulary, responsible for policing Robinson's native Luton, verified the telephone exchange was genuine and took place on Thursday, reports the Mirror.

    "During the recording, Robinson enquired whether he might obtain a copy of the material, but was advised it is probably classified as proscribed content, which UK residents are prohibited from holding under counter- terrorism legislation. During the call, the officer proceeds to inform Robinson that he lacks authorisation to carry weapons or "take pre-emptive action" against others."

    https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/tommy-robinson-leaves-uk-after-33424514

    Dunno, maybe you, @bondegezou are the sort of ultra-brave type that would shrug off a call by ISIS for its followers to harm or kill you, but I somehow suspect you are not "the ultra-brave type", indeed I imagine you are the absolute opposite, a delta-gamma cuck who would scuttle away if you were slightly menaced by the Salvation Army
    The world would be a better place if ISIS successfully attacked Tommy Robinson.
    That's you openly wishing death on someone; indeed that's you openly wishing for a successfully murderous attack by IslamoNazis on a British citizen

    Do you thank benefits the forum? Or your soul?
    I openly wish death on truly evil people; Putin, Robinson, Jozef Fritzl.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 502
    AnneJGP said:

    Labour MPs are stupid, why would they want to stop my 100/1 tip Ed Miliband becoming PM?

    Keir Starmer granted stay of execution as Labour squabbles over successor

    From Angela Rayner’s outstanding tax issues to Wes Streeting’s messages to Lord Mandelson, there’s no clear candidate to replace the prime minister


    Cabinet ministers believe that Sir Keir Starmer will now survive beyond May by virtue of squabbling between the camps of contenders to replace him.

    The events of last week, when Star­mer survived an attempt to oust him, left Labour MPs and ministers “increasingly of the view that May might not be the moment,” a Labour source said.

    “The smart people are wondering whether the same reasons he fought off last week are still the same in May. It’s a combination of no one can agree, none of the candidates are ready and there’s no organised campaign.

    “There is a ‘stop Ed’ [Miliband] campaign, a ‘stop Wes’ [Streeting] campaign and a ‘stop Angela’ [Rayner] campaign,” the source said. “But there is no clear campaign for one candidate without a counter-campaign.”

    A close aide to a cabinet minister said: “There’s no obvious candidate. Even without her tax issues, there’s this idea that Rayner is Labour’s Liz Truss, which is very accurate.

    The internecine squabbling has led to increasing talk among Labour MPs, including ministers, about the possi­bility of a “unity candidate” emerging in the form of John Healey, the defence secretary, or Yvette Cooper, the foreign secretary. Two Labour MPs suggested that the pair could lead on a joint ticket and Cooper could serve as Healey’s chancellor. A minister suggested that Healey would also make a strong chancellor for Angela Rayner, the former deputy prime minister, who is seen as a leading contender to replace Starmer.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-leadership-rivals-squabble-may-elections-g9gbn5c9b

    Surely they could all coalesce behind Mr Corbyn again?
    It's a case of those with common sense wanting to wait for the flak from May to pass over, the general economic data to contine to improve, and to watch Reform and the uber Right gorge each other to death, the Tories implode in another wave of leadership change.

    To the left at some point Polanski will be exposed as anything but a Green and things will turn against him.

    Meanwhile the SNP will be left to deal with their own shit and Plaid will realise that Government is not easy.

    It all points to the Labour succesor to emerge last 2026 / early 2027 and the longer it goes on the stronger the claims of Darren Jones!
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,730
    Hmm. I think the market is a little bit optimistic on Labour right now. But I do understand the rationale.

    There is of course a train of thought that Starmer’s departure will improve their fortunes - but that isn’t guaranteed. There is an absence of a very popular alternative. I suspect someone like Rayner can unite the left wing vote better than Starmer can but that could also have the opposite effect of driving more voters rightward.

    Similarly while Reform’s polling appears to have peaked we’re not seeing any meaningful, significant decline at the moment. I thought that there was the potential, given the number of Tory defections and Badenoch’s mini recovery, that they could see a bit more movement back to the Tories and Labour - there appears to have been a small movement, but nothing seismic and they’re still on course for a strong performance in May. I really don’t think Lowe is going to have any meaningful impact in the polls.

  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 18,823
    Brixian59 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Combination of two effects?

    The apparently successful launch Rupert Spode's party is new news. He might not win many seats himself, but siphoning off a slice of Farage's vote hurts Reform a lot.

    That Starmer probably won't be on the ballot next time shouldn't be news, but apparently is. On such confusions profits and losses are made.

    Yes, I would guess that this is a(n over)reaction to Restore Britain launching. Lowe is, for inexplicable reasons, popular with the online brigade. (Maybe because Musk promotes him?) I don't think he has the rizz (as the kids say) to make much impact on the broader public, but if Tommy Robinson rows in behind him, maybe they can represent a serious threat to Reform's right flank.
    Farage/Reform is the leading brand. Advance/Restore are unknown to the general public, outside a handful of constituencies.
    Tommy is also a brand.

    Although he's recently fled the country because, he says, he's been targetted by ISIS, and you can donate some money to help him protect his family. (I happened to be talking to an expert on ISIS at the weekend. They said, no, ISIS are definitely not targetting Tommy Robinson.)
    Tommy Robinson is, in fact, being targeted by ISIS

    "The Bedfordshire Police officer can be heard informing Robinson during the conversation: "So we have received intelligence that an Isis publication has stated... are encouraging others to commit violence against yourself."

    "The constabulary, responsible for policing Robinson's native Luton, verified the telephone exchange was genuine and took place on Thursday, reports the Mirror.

    "During the recording, Robinson enquired whether he might obtain a copy of the material, but was advised it is probably classified as proscribed content, which UK residents are prohibited from holding under counter- terrorism legislation. During the call, the officer proceeds to inform Robinson that he lacks authorisation to carry weapons or "take pre-emptive action" against others."

    https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/tommy-robinson-leaves-uk-after-33424514

    Dunno, maybe you, @bondegezou are the sort of ultra-brave type that would shrug off a call by ISIS for its followers to harm or kill you, but I somehow suspect you are not "the ultra-brave type", indeed I imagine you are the absolute opposite, a delta-gamma cuck who would scuttle away if you were slightly menaced by the Salvation Army
    The world would be a better place if ISIS successfully attacked Tommy Robinson.
    That's you openly wishing death on someone; indeed that's you openly wishing for a successfully murderous attack by IslamoNazis on a British citizen

    Do you thank benefits the forum? Or your soul?
    Personally I'd rather see the bastard rot in a hell hole jail somewhere for the rest of his life.

    If UK prisons are too soft may be we could swop him for someone in a hell hole despot County, or Hong Kong may be - let the Chinese have him.
    He’s currently awaiting trial in October on charges of harassment causing fear of violence against two journalists, so depending on how that case goes, he could be back in jail for the… I think sixth time.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,048
    edited 9:48AM
    Leon said:

    Combination of two effects?

    The apparently successful launch Rupert Spode's party is new news. He might not win many seats himself, but siphoning off a slice of Farage's vote hurts Reform a lot.

    That Starmer probably won't be on the ballot next time shouldn't be news, but apparently is. On such confusions profits and losses are made.

    Yes, I would guess that this is a(n over)reaction to Restore Britain launching. Lowe is, for inexplicable reasons, popular with the online brigade. (Maybe because Musk promotes him?) I don't think he has the rizz (as the kids say) to make much impact on the broader public, but if Tommy Robinson rows in behind him, maybe they can represent a serious threat to Reform's right flank.
    Rupert Lowe is an estimable and noble gent in many ways, as we all can surely agree (for once!), but one of the best things about him is that he shifts the Overton Windpw firmly to the right, Making Reform look what they are: a sensible centrist vote. For ethnocentrist dads

    Thus he possibly benefits Farage
    Not on the new FindOutNow poll where Restore are on 10% and Reform down to just 25%.

    Farage can’t win a majority without Robinson and Lowe voters, he has already lost some Labour 2024 voters who flirted with Reform after welcoming half Liz Truss’ Cabinet into Reform
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,618
    DavidL said:

    Labour MPs are stupid, why would they want to stop my 100/1 tip Ed Miliband becoming PM?

    Keir Starmer granted stay of execution as Labour squabbles over successor

    From Angela Rayner’s outstanding tax issues to Wes Streeting’s messages to Lord Mandelson, there’s no clear candidate to replace the prime minister


    Cabinet ministers believe that Sir Keir Starmer will now survive beyond May by virtue of squabbling between the camps of contenders to replace him.

    The events of last week, when Star­mer survived an attempt to oust him, left Labour MPs and ministers “increasingly of the view that May might not be the moment,” a Labour source said.

    “The smart people are wondering whether the same reasons he fought off last week are still the same in May. It’s a combination of no one can agree, none of the candidates are ready and there’s no organised campaign.

    “There is a ‘stop Ed’ [Miliband] campaign, a ‘stop Wes’ [Streeting] campaign and a ‘stop Angela’ [Rayner] campaign,” the source said. “But there is no clear campaign for one candidate without a counter-campaign.”

    A close aide to a cabinet minister said: “There’s no obvious candidate. Even without her tax issues, there’s this idea that Rayner is Labour’s Liz Truss, which is very accurate.

    The internecine squabbling has led to increasing talk among Labour MPs, including ministers, about the possi­bility of a “unity candidate” emerging in the form of John Healey, the defence secretary, or Yvette Cooper, the foreign secretary. Two Labour MPs suggested that the pair could lead on a joint ticket and Cooper could serve as Healey’s chancellor. A minister suggested that Healey would also make a strong chancellor for Angela Rayner, the former deputy prime minister, who is seen as a leading contender to replace Starmer.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-leadership-rivals-squabble-may-elections-g9gbn5c9b

    The largest party in Parliament by miles, the party of government and they can't find a better candidate for PM than Sir Keir Starmer. If you want proof of the parlous state of our political establishment surely this is it?
    It's not as if the minority parties have got anyone willing and able to do a better job.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,599
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Combination of two effects?

    The apparently successful launch Rupert Spode's party is new news. He might not win many seats himself, but siphoning off a slice of Farage's vote hurts Reform a lot.

    That Starmer probably won't be on the ballot next time shouldn't be news, but apparently is. On such confusions profits and losses are made.

    Yes, I would guess that this is a(n over)reaction to Restore Britain launching. Lowe is, for inexplicable reasons, popular with the online brigade. (Maybe because Musk promotes him?) I don't think he has the rizz (as the kids say) to make much impact on the broader public, but if Tommy Robinson rows in behind him, maybe they can represent a serious threat to Reform's right flank.
    Rupert Lowe is an estimable and noble gent in many ways, as we all can surely agree (for once!), but one of the best things about him is that he shifts the Overton Windpw firmly to the right, Making Reform look what they are: a sensible centrist vote. For ethnocentrist dads

    Thus he possibly benefits Farage
    Not on the new FindOutNow poll where Restore are on 10% and Reform down to just 24%.

    Farage can’t win a majority without Robinson and Lowe voters, he has already lost some Labour 2024 voters who flirted with Reform after welcoming half Liz Truss’ Cabinet into Reform
    That FindoutNow question was basically -

    1)Restore are the party you want to vote for because of XYZ.
    2) which party do you want to vote for?

    It’s not a valid poll
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,644

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Combination of two effects?

    The apparently successful launch Rupert Spode's party is new news. He might not win many seats himself, but siphoning off a slice of Farage's vote hurts Reform a lot.

    That Starmer probably won't be on the ballot next time shouldn't be news, but apparently is. On such confusions profits and losses are made.

    Yes, I would guess that this is a(n over)reaction to Restore Britain launching. Lowe is, for inexplicable reasons, popular with the online brigade. (Maybe because Musk promotes him?) I don't think he has the rizz (as the kids say) to make much impact on the broader public, but if Tommy Robinson rows in behind him, maybe they can represent a serious threat to Reform's right flank.
    Farage/Reform is the leading brand. Advance/Restore are unknown to the general public, outside a handful of constituencies.
    Tommy is also a brand.

    Although he's recently fled the country because, he says, he's been targetted by ISIS, and you can donate some money to help him protect his family. (I happened to be talking to an expert on ISIS at the weekend. They said, no, ISIS are definitely not targetting Tommy Robinson.)
    Tommy Robinson is, in fact, being targeted by ISIS

    "The Bedfordshire Police officer can be heard informing Robinson during the conversation: "So we have received intelligence that an Isis publication has stated... are encouraging others to commit violence against yourself."

    "The constabulary, responsible for policing Robinson's native Luton, verified the telephone exchange was genuine and took place on Thursday, reports the Mirror.

    "During the recording, Robinson enquired whether he might obtain a copy of the material, but was advised it is probably classified as proscribed content, which UK residents are prohibited from holding under counter- terrorism legislation. During the call, the officer proceeds to inform Robinson that he lacks authorisation to carry weapons or "take pre-emptive action" against others."

    https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/tommy-robinson-leaves-uk-after-33424514

    Dunno, maybe you, @bondegezou are the sort of ultra-brave type that would shrug off a call by ISIS for its followers to harm or kill you, but I somehow suspect you are not "the ultra-brave type", indeed I imagine you are the absolute opposite, a delta-gamma cuck who would scuttle away if you were slightly menaced by the Salvation Army
    The world would be a better place if ISIS successfully attacked Tommy Robinson.
    Do you honestly think the world would be a better place if a Muslim terrorist murdered Tommy Robinson?

    He should be in jail as a criminal, not deceased as a "martyr".
    Well, it worked for Thomas More.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,461
    @danbloom1

    Excl: The email exchange between Morgan McSweeney and Peter Mandelson — asking about his links to Epstein — is one of the documents that police have asked the government not to publish

    It means one of Keir Starmer’s key pieces of evidence could be in limbo for weeks or months
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,644
    edited 9:55AM

    DavidL said:

    Labour MPs are stupid, why would they want to stop my 100/1 tip Ed Miliband becoming PM?

    Keir Starmer granted stay of execution as Labour squabbles over successor

    From Angela Rayner’s outstanding tax issues to Wes Streeting’s messages to Lord Mandelson, there’s no clear candidate to replace the prime minister


    Cabinet ministers believe that Sir Keir Starmer will now survive beyond May by virtue of squabbling between the camps of contenders to replace him.

    The events of last week, when Star­mer survived an attempt to oust him, left Labour MPs and ministers “increasingly of the view that May might not be the moment,” a Labour source said.

    “The smart people are wondering whether the same reasons he fought off last week are still the same in May. It’s a combination of no one can agree, none of the candidates are ready and there’s no organised campaign.

    “There is a ‘stop Ed’ [Miliband] campaign, a ‘stop Wes’ [Streeting] campaign and a ‘stop Angela’ [Rayner] campaign,” the source said. “But there is no clear campaign for one candidate without a counter-campaign.”

    A close aide to a cabinet minister said: “There’s no obvious candidate. Even without her tax issues, there’s this idea that Rayner is Labour’s Liz Truss, which is very accurate.

    The internecine squabbling has led to increasing talk among Labour MPs, including ministers, about the possi­bility of a “unity candidate” emerging in the form of John Healey, the defence secretary, or Yvette Cooper, the foreign secretary. Two Labour MPs suggested that the pair could lead on a joint ticket and Cooper could serve as Healey’s chancellor. A minister suggested that Healey would also make a strong chancellor for Angela Rayner, the former deputy prime minister, who is seen as a leading contender to replace Starmer.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-leadership-rivals-squabble-may-elections-g9gbn5c9b

    The largest party in Parliament by miles, the party of government and they can't find a better candidate for PM than Sir Keir Starmer. If you want proof of the parlous state of our political establishment surely this is it?
    It's not as if the minority parties have got anyone willing and able to do a better job.
    One of the things that led to major changes in the Conservative Party was the bewilderment among MPs that in 1963 Macmillan's first two choices for PM were not drawn from his 360 MPs but two peers.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,394
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sean_F said:

    @theprole fpt

    I thought it was reasonably well established that there were female Deacons in the early church - not teachers or Rabbis but still a senior pastoral (more significantly than today’s deacons)

    Pliny tortured a pair of them.
    With the enthusiastic later approval of Catherine Nixey, no doubt.
    Her wiki bio includes the intriguing line

    “Her mother was a nun and her father a monk [further explanation needed]”

    Ya think?!
    They had both resigned their orders before getting married.
    You resisted the chance of an out of order pun.
    Are you OK ?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,768

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Combination of two effects?

    The apparently successful launch Rupert Spode's party is new news. He might not win many seats himself, but siphoning off a slice of Farage's vote hurts Reform a lot.

    That Starmer probably won't be on the ballot next time shouldn't be news, but apparently is. On such confusions profits and losses are made.

    Yes, I would guess that this is a(n over)reaction to Restore Britain launching. Lowe is, for inexplicable reasons, popular with the online brigade. (Maybe because Musk promotes him?) I don't think he has the rizz (as the kids say) to make much impact on the broader public, but if Tommy Robinson rows in behind him, maybe they can represent a serious threat to Reform's right flank.
    Farage/Reform is the leading brand. Advance/Restore are unknown to the general public, outside a handful of constituencies.
    Tommy is also a brand.

    Although he's recently fled the country because, he says, he's been targetted by ISIS, and you can donate some money to help him protect his family. (I happened to be talking to an expert on ISIS at the weekend. They said, no, ISIS are definitely not targetting Tommy Robinson.)
    Tommy Robinson is, in fact, being targeted by ISIS

    "The Bedfordshire Police officer can be heard informing Robinson during the conversation: "So we have received intelligence that an Isis publication has stated... are encouraging others to commit violence against yourself."

    "The constabulary, responsible for policing Robinson's native Luton, verified the telephone exchange was genuine and took place on Thursday, reports the Mirror.

    "During the recording, Robinson enquired whether he might obtain a copy of the material, but was advised it is probably classified as proscribed content, which UK residents are prohibited from holding under counter- terrorism legislation. During the call, the officer proceeds to inform Robinson that he lacks authorisation to carry weapons or "take pre-emptive action" against others."

    https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/tommy-robinson-leaves-uk-after-33424514

    Dunno, maybe you, @bondegezou are the sort of ultra-brave type that would shrug off a call by ISIS for its followers to harm or kill you, but I somehow suspect you are not "the ultra-brave type", indeed I imagine you are the absolute opposite, a delta-gamma cuck who would scuttle away if you were slightly menaced by the Salvation Army
    The world would be a better place if ISIS successfully attacked Tommy Robinson.
    That's you openly wishing death on someone; indeed that's you openly wishing for a successfully murderous attack by IslamoNazis on a British citizen

    Do you thank benefits the forum? Or your soul?
    I openly wish death on truly evil people; Putin, Robinson, Jozef Fritzl.
    Though, if you follow Tolkien's theories on morality, you should keep them around, so they will accidentally fall into a volcano with the source of Evil on Earth.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,644
    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sean_F said:

    @theprole fpt

    I thought it was reasonably well established that there were female Deacons in the early church - not teachers or Rabbis but still a senior pastoral (more significantly than today’s deacons)

    Pliny tortured a pair of them.
    With the enthusiastic later approval of Catherine Nixey, no doubt.
    Her wiki bio includes the intriguing line

    “Her mother was a nun and her father a monk [further explanation needed]”

    Ya think?!
    They had both resigned their orders before getting married.
    You resisted the chance of an out of order pun.
    Are you OK ?
    I didn't think of it. I wanted a good pun about the religieuse, but nun came to mind.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,644

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Combination of two effects?

    The apparently successful launch Rupert Spode's party is new news. He might not win many seats himself, but siphoning off a slice of Farage's vote hurts Reform a lot.

    That Starmer probably won't be on the ballot next time shouldn't be news, but apparently is. On such confusions profits and losses are made.

    Yes, I would guess that this is a(n over)reaction to Restore Britain launching. Lowe is, for inexplicable reasons, popular with the online brigade. (Maybe because Musk promotes him?) I don't think he has the rizz (as the kids say) to make much impact on the broader public, but if Tommy Robinson rows in behind him, maybe they can represent a serious threat to Reform's right flank.
    Farage/Reform is the leading brand. Advance/Restore are unknown to the general public, outside a handful of constituencies.
    Tommy is also a brand.

    Although he's recently fled the country because, he says, he's been targetted by ISIS, and you can donate some money to help him protect his family. (I happened to be talking to an expert on ISIS at the weekend. They said, no, ISIS are definitely not targetting Tommy Robinson.)
    Tommy Robinson is, in fact, being targeted by ISIS

    "The Bedfordshire Police officer can be heard informing Robinson during the conversation: "So we have received intelligence that an Isis publication has stated... are encouraging others to commit violence against yourself."

    "The constabulary, responsible for policing Robinson's native Luton, verified the telephone exchange was genuine and took place on Thursday, reports the Mirror.

    "During the recording, Robinson enquired whether he might obtain a copy of the material, but was advised it is probably classified as proscribed content, which UK residents are prohibited from holding under counter- terrorism legislation. During the call, the officer proceeds to inform Robinson that he lacks authorisation to carry weapons or "take pre-emptive action" against others."

    https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/tommy-robinson-leaves-uk-after-33424514

    Dunno, maybe you, @bondegezou are the sort of ultra-brave type that would shrug off a call by ISIS for its followers to harm or kill you, but I somehow suspect you are not "the ultra-brave type", indeed I imagine you are the absolute opposite, a delta-gamma cuck who would scuttle away if you were slightly menaced by the Salvation Army
    The world would be a better place if ISIS successfully attacked Tommy Robinson.
    That's you openly wishing death on someone; indeed that's you openly wishing for a successfully murderous attack by IslamoNazis on a British citizen

    Do you thank benefits the forum? Or your soul?
    I openly wish death on truly evil people; Putin, Robinson, Jozef Fritzl.
    Though, if you follow Tolkien's theories on morality, you should keep them around, so they will accidentally fall into a volcano with the source of Evil on Earth.
    I wouldn't wish that on Amanda Spielman.

    Far too good for her.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,587

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Combination of two effects?

    The apparently successful launch Rupert Spode's party is new news. He might not win many seats himself, but siphoning off a slice of Farage's vote hurts Reform a lot.

    That Starmer probably won't be on the ballot next time shouldn't be news, but apparently is. On such confusions profits and losses are made.

    Yes, I would guess that this is a(n over)reaction to Restore Britain launching. Lowe is, for inexplicable reasons, popular with the online brigade. (Maybe because Musk promotes him?) I don't think he has the rizz (as the kids say) to make much impact on the broader public, but if Tommy Robinson rows in behind him, maybe they can represent a serious threat to Reform's right flank.
    Farage/Reform is the leading brand. Advance/Restore are unknown to the general public, outside a handful of constituencies.
    Tommy is also a brand.

    Although he's recently fled the country because, he says, he's been targetted by ISIS, and you can donate some money to help him protect his family. (I happened to be talking to an expert on ISIS at the weekend. They said, no, ISIS are definitely not targetting Tommy Robinson.)
    Tommy Robinson is, in fact, being targeted by ISIS

    "The Bedfordshire Police officer can be heard informing Robinson during the conversation: "So we have received intelligence that an Isis publication has stated... are encouraging others to commit violence against yourself."

    "The constabulary, responsible for policing Robinson's native Luton, verified the telephone exchange was genuine and took place on Thursday, reports the Mirror.

    "During the recording, Robinson enquired whether he might obtain a copy of the material, but was advised it is probably classified as proscribed content, which UK residents are prohibited from holding under counter- terrorism legislation. During the call, the officer proceeds to inform Robinson that he lacks authorisation to carry weapons or "take pre-emptive action" against others."

    https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/tommy-robinson-leaves-uk-after-33424514

    Dunno, maybe you, @bondegezou are the sort of ultra-brave type that would shrug off a call by ISIS for its followers to harm or kill you, but I somehow suspect you are not "the ultra-brave type", indeed I imagine you are the absolute opposite, a delta-gamma cuck who would scuttle away if you were slightly menaced by the Salvation Army
    The world would be a better place if ISIS successfully attacked Tommy Robinson.
    That's you openly wishing death on someone; indeed that's you openly wishing for a successfully murderous attack by IslamoNazis on a British citizen

    Do you thank benefits the forum? Or your soul?
    I openly wish death on truly evil people; Putin, Robinson, Jozef Fritzl.
    What's he done to put him in that category?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,618
    Brixian59 said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Labour MPs are stupid, why would they want to stop my 100/1 tip Ed Miliband becoming PM?

    Keir Starmer granted stay of execution as Labour squabbles over successor

    From Angela Rayner’s outstanding tax issues to Wes Streeting’s messages to Lord Mandelson, there’s no clear candidate to replace the prime minister


    Cabinet ministers believe that Sir Keir Starmer will now survive beyond May by virtue of squabbling between the camps of contenders to replace him.

    The events of last week, when Star­mer survived an attempt to oust him, left Labour MPs and ministers “increasingly of the view that May might not be the moment,” a Labour source said.

    “The smart people are wondering whether the same reasons he fought off last week are still the same in May. It’s a combination of no one can agree, none of the candidates are ready and there’s no organised campaign.

    “There is a ‘stop Ed’ [Miliband] campaign, a ‘stop Wes’ [Streeting] campaign and a ‘stop Angela’ [Rayner] campaign,” the source said. “But there is no clear campaign for one candidate without a counter-campaign.”

    A close aide to a cabinet minister said: “There’s no obvious candidate. Even without her tax issues, there’s this idea that Rayner is Labour’s Liz Truss, which is very accurate.

    The internecine squabbling has led to increasing talk among Labour MPs, including ministers, about the possi­bility of a “unity candidate” emerging in the form of John Healey, the defence secretary, or Yvette Cooper, the foreign secretary. Two Labour MPs suggested that the pair could lead on a joint ticket and Cooper could serve as Healey’s chancellor. A minister suggested that Healey would also make a strong chancellor for Angela Rayner, the former deputy prime minister, who is seen as a leading contender to replace Starmer.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-leadership-rivals-squabble-may-elections-g9gbn5c9b

    Surely they could all coalesce behind Mr Corbyn again?
    It's a case of those with common sense wanting to wait for the flak from May to pass over, the general economic data to contine to improve, and to watch Reform and the uber Right gorge each other to death, the Tories implode in another wave of leadership change.

    To the left at some point Polanski will be exposed as anything but a Green and things will turn against him.

    Meanwhile the SNP will be left to deal with their own shit and Plaid will realise that Government is not easy.

    It all points to the Labour succesor to emerge last 2026 / early 2027 and the longer it goes on the stronger the claims of Darren Jones!
    Remember that, at this stage in '87-'92, John Major was still only Chief Secretary to the Treasury. He became Foreign Secretary in summer 1989, so summer 2026 on this timeline.

    Jones probably needs a similar mega-promotion to be able to stake a claim, and late 2027/early 2028 probably works better for him, but it's less crazy than some of the suggestions being put forward.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,452
    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Combination of two effects?

    The apparently successful launch Rupert Spode's party is new news. He might not win many seats himself, but siphoning off a slice of Farage's vote hurts Reform a lot.

    That Starmer probably won't be on the ballot next time shouldn't be news, but apparently is. On such confusions profits and losses are made.

    Yes, I would guess that this is a(n over)reaction to Restore Britain launching. Lowe is, for inexplicable reasons, popular with the online brigade. (Maybe because Musk promotes him?) I don't think he has the rizz (as the kids say) to make much impact on the broader public, but if Tommy Robinson rows in behind him, maybe they can represent a serious threat to Reform's right flank.
    Rupert Lowe is an estimable and noble gent in many ways, as we all can surely agree (for once!), but one of the best things about him is that he shifts the Overton Windpw firmly to the right, Making Reform look what they are: a sensible centrist vote. For ethnocentrist dads

    Thus he possibly benefits Farage
    Not on the new FindOutNow poll where Restore are on 10% and Reform down to just 24%.

    Farage can’t win a majority without Robinson and Lowe voters, he has already lost some Labour 2024 voters who flirted with Reform after welcoming half Liz Truss’ Cabinet into Reform
    That FindoutNow question was basically -

    1)Restore are the party you want to vote for because of XYZ.
    2) which party do you want to vote for?

    It’s not a valid poll
    Morning all.
    Their write up even states it is not standard wording and should not be compared to regular VI
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 60,768
    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Combination of two effects?

    The apparently successful launch Rupert Spode's party is new news. He might not win many seats himself, but siphoning off a slice of Farage's vote hurts Reform a lot.

    That Starmer probably won't be on the ballot next time shouldn't be news, but apparently is. On such confusions profits and losses are made.

    Yes, I would guess that this is a(n over)reaction to Restore Britain launching. Lowe is, for inexplicable reasons, popular with the online brigade. (Maybe because Musk promotes him?) I don't think he has the rizz (as the kids say) to make much impact on the broader public, but if Tommy Robinson rows in behind him, maybe they can represent a serious threat to Reform's right flank.
    Farage/Reform is the leading brand. Advance/Restore are unknown to the general public, outside a handful of constituencies.
    Tommy is also a brand.

    Although he's recently fled the country because, he says, he's been targetted by ISIS, and you can donate some money to help him protect his family. (I happened to be talking to an expert on ISIS at the weekend. They said, no, ISIS are definitely not targetting Tommy Robinson.)
    Tommy Robinson is, in fact, being targeted by ISIS

    "The Bedfordshire Police officer can be heard informing Robinson during the conversation: "So we have received intelligence that an Isis publication has stated... are encouraging others to commit violence against yourself."

    "The constabulary, responsible for policing Robinson's native Luton, verified the telephone exchange was genuine and took place on Thursday, reports the Mirror.

    "During the recording, Robinson enquired whether he might obtain a copy of the material, but was advised it is probably classified as proscribed content, which UK residents are prohibited from holding under counter- terrorism legislation. During the call, the officer proceeds to inform Robinson that he lacks authorisation to carry weapons or "take pre-emptive action" against others."

    https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/tommy-robinson-leaves-uk-after-33424514

    Dunno, maybe you, @bondegezou are the sort of ultra-brave type that would shrug off a call by ISIS for its followers to harm or kill you, but I somehow suspect you are not "the ultra-brave type", indeed I imagine you are the absolute opposite, a delta-gamma cuck who would scuttle away if you were slightly menaced by the Salvation Army
    The world would be a better place if ISIS successfully attacked Tommy Robinson.
    That's you openly wishing death on someone; indeed that's you openly wishing for a successfully murderous attack by IslamoNazis on a British citizen

    Do you thank benefits the forum? Or your soul?
    I openly wish death on truly evil people; Putin, Robinson, Jozef Fritzl.
    Though, if you follow Tolkien's theories on morality, you should keep them around, so they will accidentally fall into a volcano with the source of Evil on Earth.
    I wouldn't wish that on Amanda Spielman.

    Far too good for her.
    But on the upside, your soul is kept pure and you defeat Absolute Evil.

    Which seems a plus.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,461
    @jorgeliboreiro.bsky.social‬

    Zelenskyy calls for stronger sanctions against Russia as peace talks stall:

    “Fuck away to Russia. Go home. You don’t respect anybody in the United States. You don’t respect the rules. You don’t respect democracy. You don’t respect Ukraine or Europe. Go home.”
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,644

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Combination of two effects?

    The apparently successful launch Rupert Spode's party is new news. He might not win many seats himself, but siphoning off a slice of Farage's vote hurts Reform a lot.

    That Starmer probably won't be on the ballot next time shouldn't be news, but apparently is. On such confusions profits and losses are made.

    Yes, I would guess that this is a(n over)reaction to Restore Britain launching. Lowe is, for inexplicable reasons, popular with the online brigade. (Maybe because Musk promotes him?) I don't think he has the rizz (as the kids say) to make much impact on the broader public, but if Tommy Robinson rows in behind him, maybe they can represent a serious threat to Reform's right flank.
    Farage/Reform is the leading brand. Advance/Restore are unknown to the general public, outside a handful of constituencies.
    Tommy is also a brand.

    Although he's recently fled the country because, he says, he's been targetted by ISIS, and you can donate some money to help him protect his family. (I happened to be talking to an expert on ISIS at the weekend. They said, no, ISIS are definitely not targetting Tommy Robinson.)
    Tommy Robinson is, in fact, being targeted by ISIS

    "The Bedfordshire Police officer can be heard informing Robinson during the conversation: "So we have received intelligence that an Isis publication has stated... are encouraging others to commit violence against yourself."

    "The constabulary, responsible for policing Robinson's native Luton, verified the telephone exchange was genuine and took place on Thursday, reports the Mirror.

    "During the recording, Robinson enquired whether he might obtain a copy of the material, but was advised it is probably classified as proscribed content, which UK residents are prohibited from holding under counter- terrorism legislation. During the call, the officer proceeds to inform Robinson that he lacks authorisation to carry weapons or "take pre-emptive action" against others."

    https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/tommy-robinson-leaves-uk-after-33424514

    Dunno, maybe you, @bondegezou are the sort of ultra-brave type that would shrug off a call by ISIS for its followers to harm or kill you, but I somehow suspect you are not "the ultra-brave type", indeed I imagine you are the absolute opposite, a delta-gamma cuck who would scuttle away if you were slightly menaced by the Salvation Army
    The world would be a better place if ISIS successfully attacked Tommy Robinson.
    That's you openly wishing death on someone; indeed that's you openly wishing for a successfully murderous attack by IslamoNazis on a British citizen

    Do you thank benefits the forum? Or your soul?
    I openly wish death on truly evil people; Putin, Robinson, Jozef Fritzl.
    Though, if you follow Tolkien's theories on morality, you should keep them around, so they will accidentally fall into a volcano with the source of Evil on Earth.
    I wouldn't wish that on Amanda Spielman.

    Far too good for her.
    But on the upside, your soul is kept pure and you defeat Absolute Evil.

    Which seems a plus.
    What is as good as that?

    Nothing, my precious.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,644
    If England are so rubbish they can't even beat bloody Italy, they fully deserve to be knocked out (and will be).

    Mind you, there have been some fairly exciting games, and even the ones with the outcomes that were as expected have been tighter than expected (double Super Over in SA/Afg).
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 57,941
    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Combination of two effects?

    The apparently successful launch Rupert Spode's party is new news. He might not win many seats himself, but siphoning off a slice of Farage's vote hurts Reform a lot.

    That Starmer probably won't be on the ballot next time shouldn't be news, but apparently is. On such confusions profits and losses are made.

    Yes, I would guess that this is a(n over)reaction to Restore Britain launching. Lowe is, for inexplicable reasons, popular with the online brigade. (Maybe because Musk promotes him?) I don't think he has the rizz (as the kids say) to make much impact on the broader public, but if Tommy Robinson rows in behind him, maybe they can represent a serious threat to Reform's right flank.
    Rupert Lowe is an estimable and noble gent in many ways, as we all can surely agree (for once!), but one of the best things about him is that he shifts the Overton Windpw firmly to the right, Making Reform look what they are: a sensible centrist vote. For ethnocentrist dads

    Thus he possibly benefits Farage
    Not on the new FindOutNow poll where Restore are on 10% and Reform down to just 24%.

    Farage can’t win a majority without Robinson and Lowe voters, he has already lost some Labour 2024 voters who flirted with Reform after welcoming half Liz Truss’ Cabinet into Reform
    That FindoutNow question was basically -

    1)Restore are the party you want to vote for because of XYZ.
    2) which party do you want to vote for?

    It’s not a valid poll
    As I said at the time - it's bollocks.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,895
    edited 10:11AM
    Leon said:

    Combination of two effects?

    The apparently successful launch Rupert Spode's party is new news. He might not win many seats himself, but siphoning off a slice of Farage's vote hurts Reform a lot.

    That Starmer probably won't be on the ballot next time shouldn't be news, but apparently is. On such confusions profits and losses are made.

    Yes, I would guess that this is a(n over)reaction to Restore Britain launching. Lowe is, for inexplicable reasons, popular with the online brigade. (Maybe because Musk promotes him?) I don't think he has the rizz (as the kids say) to make much impact on the broader public, but if Tommy Robinson rows in behind him, maybe they can represent a serious threat to Reform's right flank.
    Rupert Lowe is an estimable and noble gent in many ways, as we all can surely agree (for once!), but one of the best things about him is that he shifts the Overton Windpw firmly to the right, Making Reform look what they are: a sensible centrist vote. For ethnocentrist dads

    Thus he possibly benefits Farage
    I had to look this up, but it seems estimable and inestimable are a rare example of the positive and negative meaning much the same thing. A bit like flammable and inflammable*. Inestimable is technically a bit more superlative than estimable though

    *Actually inflammable isn't a negative of course, it just looks like one.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,321
    edited 10:09AM

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Combination of two effects?

    The apparently successful launch Rupert Spode's party is new news. He might not win many seats himself, but siphoning off a slice of Farage's vote hurts Reform a lot.

    That Starmer probably won't be on the ballot next time shouldn't be news, but apparently is. On such confusions profits and losses are made.

    Yes, I would guess that this is a(n over)reaction to Restore Britain launching. Lowe is, for inexplicable reasons, popular with the online brigade. (Maybe because Musk promotes him?) I don't think he has the rizz (as the kids say) to make much impact on the broader public, but if Tommy Robinson rows in behind him, maybe they can represent a serious threat to Reform's right flank.
    Farage/Reform is the leading brand. Advance/Restore are unknown to the general public, outside a handful of constituencies.
    Tommy is also a brand.

    Although he's recently fled the country because, he says, he's been targetted by ISIS, and you can donate some money to help him protect his family. (I happened to be talking to an expert on ISIS at the weekend. They said, no, ISIS are definitely not targetting Tommy Robinson.)
    Tommy Robinson is, in fact, being targeted by ISIS

    "The Bedfordshire Police officer can be heard informing Robinson during the conversation: "So we have received intelligence that an Isis publication has stated... are encouraging others to commit violence against yourself."

    "The constabulary, responsible for policing Robinson's native Luton, verified the telephone exchange was genuine and took place on Thursday, reports the Mirror.

    "During the recording, Robinson enquired whether he might obtain a copy of the material, but was advised it is probably classified as proscribed content, which UK residents are prohibited from holding under counter- terrorism legislation. During the call, the officer proceeds to inform Robinson that he lacks authorisation to carry weapons or "take pre-emptive action" against others."

    https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/tommy-robinson-leaves-uk-after-33424514

    Dunno, maybe you, @bondegezou are the sort of ultra-brave type that would shrug off a call by ISIS for its followers to harm or kill you, but I somehow suspect you are not "the ultra-brave type", indeed I imagine you are the absolute opposite, a delta-gamma cuck who would scuttle away if you were slightly menaced by the Salvation Army
    The world would be a better place if ISIS successfully attacked Tommy Robinson.
    Inapproriate comment.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,783
    DavidL said:

    Labour MPs are stupid, why would they want to stop my 100/1 tip Ed Miliband becoming PM?

    Keir Starmer granted stay of execution as Labour squabbles over successor

    From Angela Rayner’s outstanding tax issues to Wes Streeting’s messages to Lord Mandelson, there’s no clear candidate to replace the prime minister


    Cabinet ministers believe that Sir Keir Starmer will now survive beyond May by virtue of squabbling between the camps of contenders to replace him.

    The events of last week, when Star­mer survived an attempt to oust him, left Labour MPs and ministers “increasingly of the view that May might not be the moment,” a Labour source said.

    “The smart people are wondering whether the same reasons he fought off last week are still the same in May. It’s a combination of no one can agree, none of the candidates are ready and there’s no organised campaign.

    “There is a ‘stop Ed’ [Miliband] campaign, a ‘stop Wes’ [Streeting] campaign and a ‘stop Angela’ [Rayner] campaign,” the source said. “But there is no clear campaign for one candidate without a counter-campaign.”

    A close aide to a cabinet minister said: “There’s no obvious candidate. Even without her tax issues, there’s this idea that Rayner is Labour’s Liz Truss, which is very accurate.

    The internecine squabbling has led to increasing talk among Labour MPs, including ministers, about the possi­bility of a “unity candidate” emerging in the form of John Healey, the defence secretary, or Yvette Cooper, the foreign secretary. Two Labour MPs suggested that the pair could lead on a joint ticket and Cooper could serve as Healey’s chancellor. A minister suggested that Healey would also make a strong chancellor for Angela Rayner, the former deputy prime minister, who is seen as a leading contender to replace Starmer.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-leadership-rivals-squabble-may-elections-g9gbn5c9b

    The largest party in Parliament by miles, the party of government and they can't find a better candidate for PM than Sir Keir Starmer. If you want proof of the parlous state of our political establishment surely this is it?
    In part that reflects the small size of the PLP prior to the 2024 election thanks to Corbyn. Some of the new intake are very good, but they've not been around long enough to be leader. Also, IMHO both Streeting and Rayner would be improvements on Starmer. The thing that keeps Starmer in place versus his opponents - his lack of ideological direction - is also paradoxically one of the things that makes him a poor PM. Rayner and Streeting aren't being held back by their lack of talent but by opposition to their candidacy among MPs in the other wing of the party.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 502
    Scott_xP said:

    @danbloom1

    Excl: The email exchange between Morgan McSweeney and Peter Mandelson — asking about his links to Epstein — is one of the documents that police have asked the government not to publish

    It means one of Keir Starmer’s key pieces of evidence could be in limbo for weeks or months

    Not a surprise.

    You cannot interfere with Police, CPS Legal framework for political gain under any circumstances.

    Woe betide any opportunist opposition leader or MP who tries to do so or subvert justice.

    I do think though that without going in to specifics that The Metropolitan Police and CPS should make occasional updates on progress independently of political interference.

    This is common practise, not new and been seen many times in the past.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,783

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Combination of two effects?

    The apparently successful launch Rupert Spode's party is new news. He might not win many seats himself, but siphoning off a slice of Farage's vote hurts Reform a lot.

    That Starmer probably won't be on the ballot next time shouldn't be news, but apparently is. On such confusions profits and losses are made.

    Yes, I would guess that this is a(n over)reaction to Restore Britain launching. Lowe is, for inexplicable reasons, popular with the online brigade. (Maybe because Musk promotes him?) I don't think he has the rizz (as the kids say) to make much impact on the broader public, but if Tommy Robinson rows in behind him, maybe they can represent a serious threat to Reform's right flank.
    Farage/Reform is the leading brand. Advance/Restore are unknown to the general public, outside a handful of constituencies.
    Tommy is also a brand.

    Although he's recently fled the country because, he says, he's been targetted by ISIS, and you can donate some money to help him protect his family. (I happened to be talking to an expert on ISIS at the weekend. They said, no, ISIS are definitely not targetting Tommy Robinson.)
    Tommy Robinson is, in fact, being targeted by ISIS

    "The Bedfordshire Police officer can be heard informing Robinson during the conversation: "So we have received intelligence that an Isis publication has stated... are encouraging others to commit violence against yourself."

    "The constabulary, responsible for policing Robinson's native Luton, verified the telephone exchange was genuine and took place on Thursday, reports the Mirror.

    "During the recording, Robinson enquired whether he might obtain a copy of the material, but was advised it is probably classified as proscribed content, which UK residents are prohibited from holding under counter- terrorism legislation. During the call, the officer proceeds to inform Robinson that he lacks authorisation to carry weapons or "take pre-emptive action" against others."

    https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/tommy-robinson-leaves-uk-after-33424514

    Dunno, maybe you, @bondegezou are the sort of ultra-brave type that would shrug off a call by ISIS for its followers to harm or kill you, but I somehow suspect you are not "the ultra-brave type", indeed I imagine you are the absolute opposite, a delta-gamma cuck who would scuttle away if you were slightly menaced by the Salvation Army
    The world would be a better place if ISIS successfully attacked Tommy Robinson.
    Disagree 100%.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,644
    Brixian59 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @danbloom1

    Excl: The email exchange between Morgan McSweeney and Peter Mandelson — asking about his links to Epstein — is one of the documents that police have asked the government not to publish

    It means one of Keir Starmer’s key pieces of evidence could be in limbo for weeks or months

    Not a surprise.

    You cannot interfere with Police, CPS Legal framework for political gain under any circumstances.

    Woe betide any opportunist opposition leader or MP who tries to do so or subvert justice.

    I do think though that without going in to specifics that The Metropolitan Police and CPS should make occasional updates on progress independently of political interference.

    This is common practise, not new and been seen many times in the past.
    Did Nicola Sturgeon interfere thus? I don't recall the details.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 502

    Brixian59 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Combination of two effects?

    The apparently successful launch Rupert Spode's party is new news. He might not win many seats himself, but siphoning off a slice of Farage's vote hurts Reform a lot.

    That Starmer probably won't be on the ballot next time shouldn't be news, but apparently is. On such confusions profits and losses are made.

    Yes, I would guess that this is a(n over)reaction to Restore Britain launching. Lowe is, for inexplicable reasons, popular with the online brigade. (Maybe because Musk promotes him?) I don't think he has the rizz (as the kids say) to make much impact on the broader public, but if Tommy Robinson rows in behind him, maybe they can represent a serious threat to Reform's right flank.
    Farage/Reform is the leading brand. Advance/Restore are unknown to the general public, outside a handful of constituencies.
    Tommy is also a brand.

    Although he's recently fled the country because, he says, he's been targetted by ISIS, and you can donate some money to help him protect his family. (I happened to be talking to an expert on ISIS at the weekend. They said, no, ISIS are definitely not targetting Tommy Robinson.)
    Tommy Robinson is, in fact, being targeted by ISIS

    "The Bedfordshire Police officer can be heard informing Robinson during the conversation: "So we have received intelligence that an Isis publication has stated... are encouraging others to commit violence against yourself."

    "The constabulary, responsible for policing Robinson's native Luton, verified the telephone exchange was genuine and took place on Thursday, reports the Mirror.

    "During the recording, Robinson enquired whether he might obtain a copy of the material, but was advised it is probably classified as proscribed content, which UK residents are prohibited from holding under counter- terrorism legislation. During the call, the officer proceeds to inform Robinson that he lacks authorisation to carry weapons or "take pre-emptive action" against others."

    https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/tommy-robinson-leaves-uk-after-33424514

    Dunno, maybe you, @bondegezou are the sort of ultra-brave type that would shrug off a call by ISIS for its followers to harm or kill you, but I somehow suspect you are not "the ultra-brave type", indeed I imagine you are the absolute opposite, a delta-gamma cuck who would scuttle away if you were slightly menaced by the Salvation Army
    The world would be a better place if ISIS successfully attacked Tommy Robinson.
    That's you openly wishing death on someone; indeed that's you openly wishing for a successfully murderous attack by IslamoNazis on a British citizen

    Do you thank benefits the forum? Or your soul?
    Personally I'd rather see the bastard rot in a hell hole jail somewhere for the rest of his life.

    If UK prisons are too soft may be we could swop him for someone in a hell hole despot County, or Hong Kong may be - let the Chinese have him.
    He’s currently awaiting trial in October on charges of harassment causing fear of violence against two journalists, so depending on how that case goes, he could be back in jail for the… I think sixth time.
    Swop him for Jimmy Liu

    Massive PR win for Starmer

    Ask the Chinese to keep him for 10 years minimum
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 69,800
    Brixian59 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @danbloom1

    Excl: The email exchange between Morgan McSweeney and Peter Mandelson — asking about his links to Epstein — is one of the documents that police have asked the government not to publish

    It means one of Keir Starmer’s key pieces of evidence could be in limbo for weeks or months

    Not a surprise.

    You cannot interfere with Police, CPS Legal framework for political gain under any circumstances.

    Woe betide any opportunist opposition leader or MP who tries to do so or subvert justice.

    I do think though that without going in to specifics that The Metropolitan Police and CPS should make occasional updates on progress independently of political interference.

    This is common practise, not new and been seen many times in the past.
    The speaker disagrees and has warned labour about trying to use the police to hide information

    He has stated all information has to be sent to the Intelligence committee and they, acting on behalf of parliament, will decide
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,644
    Harry Brook you moron.
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