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  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 89,915
    edited February 9
    Its like turning up to a party thinking its fancy dress and finding out its a formal attire.....
  • Oh FFS, they've 'upgraded' Vanilla again.
  • Oh FFS, they've 'upgraded' Vanilla again.

    I would be happy to help. It’s my job.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 36,619

    Its like turning up to a party thinking its fancy dress and finding out its a formal attire.....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YZy2deJstI
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,441
    "Anas Sarwar in questionable political instincts shocker"
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,933
    FPT
    DoctorG said:

    Re Wes Streeting - is he safe from being unseated? he currently has a majority a little over 500.

    What does everyone think of the chances of him being unseated by pro Gaza/Palestine independents at the next GE, and is Ilford too far out of Central London for the Greens to target?

    No chance of Labour holding Ilford South. If he's running the show, Streeting could be parachuted into another Labour seat vacated against expectations by a retiring Labour MP in return for a peerage on the eve of the next GE. Pat McFadden got his seat that way, for example. But finding one will be a problem now. A seat like Gorton and Denton would in normal times have fitted the bill nicely......

    As for Streeting, I really don't fancy his chances:

    1. His actions today were about trying to get in first to limit the damage. Yet he damage is still there. The releasing of copious private emails with Mandelson shows just how close the two were in political terms and the tone of them are very much those of friends. Supping with the devil indeed. Commentators have every right to go on describing him as "Mandelson's protege".

    2. At least with the release of further e-mails eventually dismissed Mandelson in September 2025. Yet Streeting faced with the same damning evidence went on camera in September to say that Mandelson was doing a fine job and should stay on. How can someone now stand for Labour leader when they were prepared to publically stand by Mandelson on the basis of the same evidence that caused Starmer to sack him? I am surprised that this video has as yet had little circulation, but it surely will when the time comes:

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/_OEcau1ACtA

    Note that Streeting is using the same argument in defending his closeness to Mandelson as he used about Mandelson's closeness to Epstein then.
    "We shouldn't tar everyone as being guilty by association."
  • FPT

    DoctorG said:

    Re Wes Streeting - is he safe from being unseated? he currently has a majority a little over 500.

    What does everyone think of the chances of him being unseated by pro Gaza/Palestine independents at the next GE, and is Ilford too far out of Central London for the Greens to target?

    No chance of Labour holding Ilford South. If he's running the show, Streeting could be parachuted into another Labour seat vacated against expectations by a retiring Labour MP in return for a peerage on the eve of the next GE. Pat McFadden got his seat that way, for example. But finding one will be a problem now. A seat like Gorton and Denton would in normal times have fitted the bill nicely......

    As for Streeting, I really don't fancy his chances:

    1. His actions today were about trying to get in first to limit the damage. Yet he damage is still there. The releasing of copious private emails with Mandelson shows just how close the two were in political terms and the tone of them are very much those of friends. Supping with the devil indeed. Commentators have every right to go on describing him as "Mandelson's protege".

    2. At least with the release of further e-mails eventually dismissed Mandelson in September 2025. Yet Streeting faced with the same damning evidence went on camera in September to say that Mandelson was doing a fine job and should stay on. How can someone now stand for Labour leader when they were prepared to publically stand by Mandelson on the basis of the same evidence that caused Starmer to sack him? I am surprised that this video has as yet had little circulation, but it surely will when the time comes:

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/_OEcau1ACtA

    Note that Streeting is using the same argument in defending his closeness to Mandelson as he used about Mandelson's closeness to Epstein then.
    "We shouldn't tar everyone as being guilty by association."
    Streeting down after today but then it’s Rayner who is literally a criminal.

    So an outsider? Darren Jones?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 23,065
    Good night PB

    Hopefully Labour will provide us with more entertainment tomorrow - Popcorn on standby! :D

  • FWIW - I do expect Scotland to absolutely rinse England this weekend.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,083

    Oh FFS, they've 'upgraded' Vanilla again.

    Is that why the 'Post Comment' bar has now moved?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,273
    edited February 9
    @Morris_Dancer

    Don't be afraid to ask about the Battle of Zama, happy to help you understand it better.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,277
    edited February 9
    The new post comment button is a bit cluncky.
  • Oh FFS, they've 'upgraded' Vanilla again.

    I would be happy to help. It’s my job.
    Thanks, speak to Robert as he's the tech support of PB.
  • TazTaz Posts: 24,749

    GIN1138 said:

    https://x.com/RogueUnfiltered/status/2020952079775432915

    Oh dear Wes Streeting and Mandleson were sending kisses and encouraging messages to one another - which could be deemed as very “lovey” ….

    You can almost see Wez shrinking in his seat as he's confronted with that messages... Thinking, oh **** 😂
    "I did not have textual relations with that man, Mr Mandelson."

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/feb/09/peter-mandelson-wes-streeting-vetting-moral-seriousness

    image
    I thought that was a fake header not real !!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,734
    DoctorG said:

    Re Wes Streeting - is he safe from being unseated? he currently has a majority a little over 500.

    What does everyone think of the chances of him being unseated by pro Gaza/Palestine independents at the next GE, and is Ilford too far out of Central London for the Greens to target?

    What do you mean too far out? We're only Zone 4!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,734

    @Morris_Dancer

    Don't be afraid to ask about the Battle of Zama, happy to help you understand it better.

    Ice Dance to 1990s music on BBC2 now!
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,384

    In all honesty Starmer should publish his own texts with Mandelson. I suspect they are incredibly dull

    I am 100% sure they will be otherwise they wouldn't even gone down this route in the first place. There will be no smoking gun. My guess will be that some have said spicy things about Trump and it will be more embarassment than anything else and that is why they were trying to do a bit of a filter of some messages under the guise of national security.

    The really big cover up is the immediate decision that Mandelson BT email correspondence definitely couldn't be recovered so no point looking into that any further.
    To be honest technically speaking they probably are impossible to recover. I’m pretty sure BT email from that time is long defunct.
    Unless he kept a box of old phones
    Wouldn’t make any difference. The messages were stored on the server and using IMAP/Blackberry email service (long since shut down for its own security vulnerabilities).
    At least for imap that depends on imap client. The MacOS client caches everything locally for faster seach and offline viewing (you can browse to it in your ~/library directory), the iPhone keeps a limited subset. Outlook used to do some odd stuff but it's a while since I last looked at that.
  • Foss said:

    In all honesty Starmer should publish his own texts with Mandelson. I suspect they are incredibly dull

    I am 100% sure they will be otherwise they wouldn't even gone down this route in the first place. There will be no smoking gun. My guess will be that some have said spicy things about Trump and it will be more embarassment than anything else and that is why they were trying to do a bit of a filter of some messages under the guise of national security.

    The really big cover up is the immediate decision that Mandelson BT email correspondence definitely couldn't be recovered so no point looking into that any further.
    To be honest technically speaking they probably are impossible to recover. I’m pretty sure BT email from that time is long defunct.
    Unless he kept a box of old phones
    Wouldn’t make any difference. The messages were stored on the server and using IMAP/Blackberry email service (long since shut down for its own security vulnerabilities).
    At least for imap that depends on imap client. The MacOS client caches everything locally for faster seach and offline viewing (you can browse to it in your ~/library directory), the iPhone keeps a limited subset. Outlook used to do some odd stuff but it's a while since I last looked at that.
    Highly doubt it would have cached emails from this period unless he threw the phone away straight after.

    To be honest they should have tried harder but technically I think it very hard.

    Johnson’s WhatsApps come to mind. Still not sure how he got away with that.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 484

    DoctorG said:

    Re Wes Streeting - is he safe from being unseated? he currently has a majority a little over 500.

    What does everyone think of the chances of him being unseated by pro Gaza/Palestine independents at the next GE, and is Ilford too far out of Central London for the Greens to target?

    What do you mean too far out? We're only Zone 4!
    London geography is not my strong point I'm afraid!
  • Keir Jong-Un looks safe in the party
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,384

    Foss said:

    In all honesty Starmer should publish his own texts with Mandelson. I suspect they are incredibly dull

    I am 100% sure they will be otherwise they wouldn't even gone down this route in the first place. There will be no smoking gun. My guess will be that some have said spicy things about Trump and it will be more embarassment than anything else and that is why they were trying to do a bit of a filter of some messages under the guise of national security.

    The really big cover up is the immediate decision that Mandelson BT email correspondence definitely couldn't be recovered so no point looking into that any further.
    To be honest technically speaking they probably are impossible to recover. I’m pretty sure BT email from that time is long defunct.
    Unless he kept a box of old phones
    Wouldn’t make any difference. The messages were stored on the server and using IMAP/Blackberry email service (long since shut down for its own security vulnerabilities).
    At least for imap that depends on imap client. The MacOS client caches everything locally for faster seach and offline viewing (you can browse to it in your ~/library directory), the iPhone keeps a limited subset. Outlook used to do some odd stuff but it's a while since I last looked at that.
    Highly doubt it would have cached emails from this period unless he threw the phone away straight after.

    To be honest they should have tried harder but technically I think it very hard.

    Johnson’s WhatsApps come to mind. Still not sure how he got away with that.
    A lot of people do; they get the new phone, migrate anything they can be bothered with, and then stick the old one in a draw.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,734
    DoctorG said:

    DoctorG said:

    Re Wes Streeting - is he safe from being unseated? he currently has a majority a little over 500.

    What does everyone think of the chances of him being unseated by pro Gaza/Palestine independents at the next GE, and is Ilford too far out of Central London for the Greens to target?

    What do you mean too far out? We're only Zone 4!
    London geography is not my strong point I'm afraid!
    How about Brighton Pavilion, not exactly central London? :)
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,570

    Keir Jong-Un looks safe in the party

    It's my party and I'll cry if I want to.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,860
    For any Discord people :

    https://techcrunch.com/2026/02/09/discord-to-roll-out-age-verification-next-month-for-full-access-to-its-platform/

    Discord to roll out age verification next month for full access to its platform

    "... The facial age estimation requires video selfies, which Discord says never leave your device. Additionally, the company says IDs submitted to its vendor partners are deleted quickly and, in most cases, immediately after age confirmation.

    It’s worth noting that Discord disclosed last October that around 70,000 users may have had sensitive data, such as their government ID photos, exposed after hackers breached a third-party vendor that the platform uses for age-related appeals."
  • Foss said:

    Foss said:

    In all honesty Starmer should publish his own texts with Mandelson. I suspect they are incredibly dull

    I am 100% sure they will be otherwise they wouldn't even gone down this route in the first place. There will be no smoking gun. My guess will be that some have said spicy things about Trump and it will be more embarassment than anything else and that is why they were trying to do a bit of a filter of some messages under the guise of national security.

    The really big cover up is the immediate decision that Mandelson BT email correspondence definitely couldn't be recovered so no point looking into that any further.
    To be honest technically speaking they probably are impossible to recover. I’m pretty sure BT email from that time is long defunct.
    Unless he kept a box of old phones
    Wouldn’t make any difference. The messages were stored on the server and using IMAP/Blackberry email service (long since shut down for its own security vulnerabilities).
    At least for imap that depends on imap client. The MacOS client caches everything locally for faster seach and offline viewing (you can browse to it in your ~/library directory), the iPhone keeps a limited subset. Outlook used to do some odd stuff but it's a while since I last looked at that.
    Highly doubt it would have cached emails from this period unless he threw the phone away straight after.

    To be honest they should have tried harder but technically I think it very hard.

    Johnson’s WhatsApps come to mind. Still not sure how he got away with that.
    A lot of people do; they get the new phone, migrate anything they can be bothered with, and then stick the old one in a draw.
    My point is that unless he got the new phone directly after the chances those emails remain cached is slim. Very slim.

    I’m not saying they shouldn’t have tried.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 484
    On topic, thanks for the header TSE, I'm afraid it could only be the worst Scottish performance since the Queen's (Park) XI were mauled yesterday afternoon, they've now been pumped out of the Scottish cup twice in the past month.

    I do wonder if Sarwar talked this through with his deputy/colleagues/Welsh Labour leader/cabinet Ministers, or whether he just went for it thinking he has nothing to lose vs Swinney. I will check and see if any Scottish Labour MPs have so far called for Starmer to go
  • https://x.com/bethrigby/status/2020966622127857766

    Thanks Beth, I already said this.

    So, let’s see how empty Keir’s politics really is. I suspect very,
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,555
    DoctorG said:

    On topic, thanks for the header TSE, I'm afraid it could only be the worst Scottish performance since the Queen's (Park) XI were mauled yesterday afternoon, they've now been pumped out of the Scottish cup twice in the past month.

    I do wonder if Sarwar talked this through with his deputy/colleagues/Welsh Labour leader/cabinet Ministers, or whether he just went for it thinking he has nothing to lose vs Swinney. I will check and see if any Scottish Labour MPs have so far called for Starmer to go

    Brian Leishman, mp for Alloa & Grangemouth (prime Reform territory), but he’s been making these noises for a while.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,405
    @benrileysmith

    Sidenote: Andy Burnham did not publicly back Keir Starmer today
  • Scott_xP said:

    @benrileysmith

    Sidenote: Andy Burnham did not publicly back Keir Starmer today

    Still don’t know if blocking him was a good call.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 292
    Scott_xP said:

    @benrileysmith

    Sidenote: Andy Burnham did not publicly back Keir Starmer today

    Of course he didn't

    He's bitter

    He's twisted

    He's irrelevant to the PLP
  • Brixian59 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @benrileysmith

    Sidenote: Andy Burnham did not publicly back Keir Starmer today

    Of course he didn't

    He's bitter

    He's twisted

    He's irrelevant to the PLP
    Burnham barely knows anyone in the PLP. This is the thing I can never understand about his supposed popularity with him, he doesn’t know any of them!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,458
    https://x.com/CHinchliffMP/status/2020937555714400315

    The PM must resign.

    It should have been morally obvious that a known associate of a convicted paedophile and sex trafficker should not be our US ambassador.

    The decision is clearly indefensible and the PM cannot credibly continue.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,555

    I disagree with the thread.

    One difference between Starmer's Cabinet and the Scottish Labour Leader is that the former can be sacked by Starmer and the latter can't because he was directly elected.

    So Sarwar doesn't have to fear Starmer's wrath. He didn't have to ensure that what he did was coordinated with other senior politicians, for fear of being isolated and picked off. And unlike all the lily-livered Starmer appointees, his political future will be decided by the electorate in 3 months time not 3 years time. It's the Scottish electorate, not Starmer, who he fears.

    So it comes down to a simple political calculation. He's thinking: "Is there a chance that Scottish Labour's prospects in the May 2026 parliamentary elections might be enhanced if I speak out early and distance Scottish Labour from Starmer's English Labour, or do I just have to settle for the inevitable shellacking in May that will come my way if I don't and Starmer is still there come May?"

    It would have helped Sarwar in May if Labour MPs had subsequently acted to dump Starmer, but the fact that they've not and probably won't now do so until after May doesn't mean that Sarwar is regretting his actions. He's still put a lot more distance between himself and the disasterously unpopular Starmer and Labour in Westminster, and I think that will help not hinder him in the eyes of the Scottish electorate in May. When you're taking on the Scottish Nationalists, showing that you're anything but a branch office of Labour in London isn't a bad look.

    But after years of fairly supine kowtowing to London HQ and reverse ferreting over various promises, is four months long enough to be convincing?
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 292

    Foss said:

    In all honesty Starmer should publish his own texts with Mandelson. I suspect they are incredibly dull

    I am 100% sure they will be otherwise they wouldn't even gone down this route in the first place. There will be no smoking gun. My guess will be that some have said spicy things about Trump and it will be more embarassment than anything else and that is why they were trying to do a bit of a filter of some messages under the guise of national security.

    The really big cover up is the immediate decision that Mandelson BT email correspondence definitely couldn't be recovered so no point looking into that any further.
    To be honest technically speaking they probably are impossible to recover. I’m pretty sure BT email from that time is long defunct.
    Unless he kept a box of old phones
    Wouldn’t make any difference. The messages were stored on the server and using IMAP/Blackberry email service (long since shut down for its own security vulnerabilities).
    At least for imap that depends on imap client. The MacOS client caches everything locally for faster seach and offline viewing (you can browse to it in your ~/library directory), the iPhone keeps a limited subset. Outlook used to do some odd stuff but it's a while since I last looked at that.
    Highly doubt it would have cached emails from this period unless he threw the phone away straight after.

    To be honest they should have tried harder but technically I think it very hard.

    Johnson’s WhatsApps come to mind. Still not sure how he got away with that.
    Maybe they'll find some on Mandys phone
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,734

    Keir Jong-Un looks safe in the party

    Our Keir Leader
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,933

    FPT

    DoctorG said:

    Re Wes Streeting - is he safe from being unseated? he currently has a majority a little over 500.

    What does everyone think of the chances of him being unseated by pro Gaza/Palestine independents at the next GE, and is Ilford too far out of Central London for the Greens to target?

    No chance of Labour holding Ilford South. If he's running the show, Streeting could be parachuted into another Labour seat vacated against expectations by a retiring Labour MP in return for a peerage on the eve of the next GE. Pat McFadden got his seat that way, for example. But finding one will be a problem now. A seat like Gorton and Denton would in normal times have fitted the bill nicely......

    As for Streeting, I really don't fancy his chances:

    1. His actions today were about trying to get in first to limit the damage. Yet he damage is still there. The releasing of copious private emails with Mandelson shows just how close the two were in political terms and the tone of them are very much those of friends. Supping with the devil indeed. Commentators have every right to go on describing him as "Mandelson's protege".

    2. At least with the release of further e-mails eventually dismissed Mandelson in September 2025. Yet Streeting faced with the same damning evidence went on camera in September to say that Mandelson was doing a fine job and should stay on. How can someone now stand for Labour leader when they were prepared to publically stand by Mandelson on the basis of the same evidence that caused Starmer to sack him? I am surprised that this video has as yet had little circulation, but it surely will when the time comes:

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/_OEcau1ACtA

    Note that Streeting is using the same argument in defending his closeness to Mandelson as he used about Mandelson's closeness to Epstein then.
    "We shouldn't tar everyone as being guilty by association."
    Streeting down after today but then it’s Rayner who is literally a criminal.

    So an outsider? Darren Jones?
    "Literally a criminal"? No. And dragging it out helps not hinders Rayner because time is on her side.

    As regards Jones FFS no not a cat in hells chance. Continuity No 10 when members want change. You might as well go the Full Monty and have McSweeney as the new PM's adviser.

    Healey would be my choice of a genuine outsider offering value, in from 50/1 to 16/1 with Ladbrokes in a week, still available elsewhere at 40/1.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 484

    I disagree with the thread.

    One difference between Starmer's Cabinet and the Scottish Labour Leader is that the former can be sacked by Starmer and the latter can't because he was directly elected.

    So Sarwar doesn't have to fear Starmer's wrath. He didn't have to ensure that what he did was coordinated with other senior politicians, for fear of being isolated and picked off. And unlike all the lily-livered Starmer appointees, his political future will be decided by the electorate in 3 months time not 3 years time. It's the Scottish electorate, not Starmer, who he fears.

    So it comes down to a simple political calculation. He's thinking: "Is there a chance that Scottish Labour's prospects in the May 2026 parliamentary elections might be enhanced if I speak out early and distance Scottish Labour from Starmer's English Labour, or do I just have to settle for the inevitable shellacking in May that will come my way if I don't and Starmer is still there come May?"

    It would have helped Sarwar in May if Labour MPs had subsequently acted to dump Starmer, but the fact that they've not and probably won't now do so until after May doesn't mean that Sarwar is regretting his actions. He's still put a lot more distance between himself and the disasterously unpopular Starmer and Labour in Westminster, and I think that will help not hinder him in the eyes of the Scottish electorate in May. When you're taking on the Scottish Nationalists, showing that you're anything but a branch office of Labour in London isn't a bad look.

    I agree with this. Lab canvassers are now out in Scotland, I can imagine the reception they've been getting over the past week has been awful. They need a confidence boost, fast.

    Farage hasn't even picked his candidates yet but he will be ahead of Labour in quite a few Scottish seats right now.

    Today's cabinet rally feels a little bit like the chairman's vote of confidence. Why are they all backing him now when leadership candidate websites are appearing (unless its fake)
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,553

    In all honesty Starmer should publish his own texts with Mandelson. I suspect they are incredibly dull

    I am 100% sure they will be otherwise they wouldn't even gone down this route in the first place. There will be no smoking gun. My guess will be that some have said spicy things about Trump and it will be more embarassment than anything else and that is why they were trying to do a bit of a filter of some messages under the guise of national security.

    The really big cover up is the immediate decision that Mandelson BT email correspondence definitely couldn't be recovered so no point looking into that any further.
    To be honest technically speaking they probably are impossible to recover. I’m pretty sure BT email from that time is long defunct.
    The security services definitely have/had them. They hoover up all email - it's almost too easy to do.
    No they don’t.
    I think they do. *But*, they don't necessary hold them in a formatted state. There's this thing called a "schema", which is the format of the data. "0F7D4C......9D6A" only becomes "Andy Burnham is a Russian spy and snogs goats" when you impose the schema on it. It's trivially easy these days to hold all of the former, but difficult to hold the latter. But I'm over a decade out of date now and perhaps the data science people on PB can correct me if wrong.
  • FPT

    DoctorG said:

    Re Wes Streeting - is he safe from being unseated? he currently has a majority a little over 500.

    What does everyone think of the chances of him being unseated by pro Gaza/Palestine independents at the next GE, and is Ilford too far out of Central London for the Greens to target?

    No chance of Labour holding Ilford South. If he's running the show, Streeting could be parachuted into another Labour seat vacated against expectations by a retiring Labour MP in return for a peerage on the eve of the next GE. Pat McFadden got his seat that way, for example. But finding one will be a problem now. A seat like Gorton and Denton would in normal times have fitted the bill nicely......

    As for Streeting, I really don't fancy his chances:

    1. His actions today were about trying to get in first to limit the damage. Yet he damage is still there. The releasing of copious private emails with Mandelson shows just how close the two were in political terms and the tone of them are very much those of friends. Supping with the devil indeed. Commentators have every right to go on describing him as "Mandelson's protege".

    2. At least with the release of further e-mails eventually dismissed Mandelson in September 2025. Yet Streeting faced with the same damning evidence went on camera in September to say that Mandelson was doing a fine job and should stay on. How can someone now stand for Labour leader when they were prepared to publically stand by Mandelson on the basis of the same evidence that caused Starmer to sack him? I am surprised that this video has as yet had little circulation, but it surely will when the time comes:

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/_OEcau1ACtA

    Note that Streeting is using the same argument in defending his closeness to Mandelson as he used about Mandelson's closeness to Epstein then.
    "We shouldn't tar everyone as being guilty by association."
    Streeting down after today but then it’s Rayner who is literally a criminal.

    So an outsider? Darren Jones?
    "Literally a criminal"? No. And dragging it out helps not hinders Rayner because time is on her side.

    As regards Jones FFS no not a cat in hells chance. Continuity No 10 when members want change. You might as well go the Full Monty and have McSweeney as the new PM's adviser.

    Healey would be my choice of a genuine outsider offering value, in from 50/1 to 16/1 with Ladbrokes in a week, still available elsewhere at 40/1.
    Healey? Does he have any ideas?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,211
    edited February 9
    https://x.com/i/status/2020966972222210081

    Thread on today's focus group from More in Common. Labour MPs might find they dont enjoy the doorstep feedback next week after today's happy families charade
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,083
    Farage seems to have taken aim at the 'working from home' class.

  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,856

    FWIW - I do expect Scotland to absolutely rinse England this weekend.

    Really? I think France and England are now by some distance ahead of the rest in the 6N. Scotland have some excellent players - Finn Russel was superb last year for Bath but not on it this year yet. And the SA chap is handy. But England should have enough, including the bench.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 292
    Chris Wormold on way out, he's seeking a peerage.

    Likely gone next few days.

    No loss, a very strange appointment at the time.

    It's certainly looking like a completely new broom.

    Jonathan Powell most senior survivor.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,083
    edited February 9
    On Wormald:


    Tim Shipman
    @ShippersUnbound
    ·
    1h
    The end of an error. A disastrous, pedestrian appointment which has materially damaged Labour’s ability to achieve the change they promised - what’s more it was entirely predictable and predicted by everyone except the PM

    ...

    I don’t know a single person who worked for Starmer who thought he was the right man for the job

    https://x.com/ShippersUnbound/status/2020955653964169384
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,870
    I don't believe any Scots took the field at Zama, on either the Roman or Punic side
  • https://x.com/i/status/2020966972222210081

    Thread on today's focus group from More in Common. Labour MPs might find they dont enjoy the doorstep feedback next week after today's happy families charade

    Is anyone surprised ?
  • On Wormald:


    Tim Shipman
    @ShippersUnbound
    ·
    1h
    The end of an error. A disastrous, pedestrian appointment which has materially damaged Labour’s ability to achieve the change they promised - what’s more it was entirely predictable and predicted by everyone except the PM

    ...

    I don’t know a single person who worked for Starmer who thought he was the right man for the job

    https://x.com/ShippersUnbound/status/2020955653964169384

    So why hire him.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,555
    Tbf Johanna bursts into tears on a weekly basis so this isn't all that.

    Tom Scotson
    @_tomscotson
    Labour MPs tell me that Johanna Baxter was in tears at tonight's PLP, claiming she had never known such treachery as Anas Sarwar today

    https://x.com/_tomscotson/status/2020948542097875311?s=20
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,246
    Lord McSweeney nailed on in the SKS resignation honours list methinks
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,283
    DoctorG said:

    DoctorG said:

    Re Wes Streeting - is he safe from being unseated? he currently has a majority a little over 500.

    What does everyone think of the chances of him being unseated by pro Gaza/Palestine independents at the next GE, and is Ilford too far out of Central London for the Greens to target?

    What do you mean too far out? We're only Zone 4!
    London geography is not my strong point I'm afraid!
    Streeting will stand in Ilford North and be returned, probably comfortably.

    Meanwhile, in other news, the British team is having a mare of a Winter Olympics so far…
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,083

    On Wormald:


    Tim Shipman
    @ShippersUnbound
    ·
    1h
    The end of an error. A disastrous, pedestrian appointment which has materially damaged Labour’s ability to achieve the change they promised - what’s more it was entirely predictable and predicted by everyone except the PM

    ...

    I don’t know a single person who worked for Starmer who thought he was the right man for the job

    https://x.com/ShippersUnbound/status/2020955653964169384

    So why hire him.
    Search me.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,734
    IanB2 said:

    DoctorG said:

    DoctorG said:

    Re Wes Streeting - is he safe from being unseated? he currently has a majority a little over 500.

    What does everyone think of the chances of him being unseated by pro Gaza/Palestine independents at the next GE, and is Ilford too far out of Central London for the Greens to target?

    What do you mean too far out? We're only Zone 4!
    London geography is not my strong point I'm afraid!
    Streeting will stand in Ilford North and be returned, probably comfortably.

    Meanwhile, in other news, the British team is having a mare of a Winter Olympics so far…
    Streeting will stand and LOSE, you mean!
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,043
    As to Wes Streeting's survival, it will be interesting to see how Redbridge votes in the Council elections in May.

    There is a group known as the Ilford Independents who won a by election last year but whether they will be able to challenge Labour across the Borough remains to be seen. It could also be fruitful ground for Reform against the Conservatives.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,080

    Lord McSweeney nailed on in the SKS resignation honours list methinks

    According to wikipedia Blair and Brown did not issue resignation honours (though Brown had a dissolution list to the same basic effect), so Starmer should steer clear of such a Tory crony tactic!
  • FWIW - I do expect Scotland to absolutely rinse England this weekend.

    In Calcutta or Kolkata?
  • https://x.com/kallumpickering/status/2020888253084102993

    Serious point. . . .If Starmer can just hang on a few months the narrative can turn in his favour: inflation should drop to 2%, growth is returning, interest rates will have fallen further (BoE cut in March likely), immigration down and various key bills passed.

    Hmm
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,246
    Scott_xP said:

    @benrileysmith

    Sidenote: Andy Burnham did not publicly back Keir Starmer today

    None of the mayor's apart from London did unless I missed it.

    NE mayor is a massive SKS fan mind
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,440
    Taz said:

    GIN1138 said:

    https://x.com/RogueUnfiltered/status/2020952079775432915

    Oh dear Wes Streeting and Mandleson were sending kisses and encouraging messages to one another - which could be deemed as very “lovey” ….

    You can almost see Wez shrinking in his seat as he's confronted with that messages... Thinking, oh **** 😂
    "I did not have textual relations with that man, Mr Mandelson."

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/feb/09/peter-mandelson-wes-streeting-vetting-moral-seriousness

    image
    I thought that was a fake header not real !!
    I'd say that actually lowers his chances.

    It's so nakedly transparent.
  • On Wormald:


    Tim Shipman
    @ShippersUnbound
    ·
    1h
    The end of an error. A disastrous, pedestrian appointment which has materially damaged Labour’s ability to achieve the change they promised - what’s more it was entirely predictable and predicted by everyone except the PM

    ...

    I don’t know a single person who worked for Starmer who thought he was the right man for the job

    https://x.com/ShippersUnbound/status/2020955653964169384

    So why hire him.
    Search me.
    No results found
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 292
    Darren Jones really does catch the eye the deeper you delve.

    Not yet 40

    Educared at a Comprehensive
    Studied at Plymouth University
    Worked in NHS
    Transferred to Legal Career
    M at an early age
    Supported Burnham in leadership campaign
    We'll respected across spectrum as Head of various Committees in Opposition
    Several key Ministerial Appointments already

    Looking more likely than Streeting right now in terms of the younger generation
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 15,211

    Scott_xP said:

    @benrileysmith

    Sidenote: Andy Burnham did not publicly back Keir Starmer today

    None of the mayor's apart from London did unless I missed it.

    NE mayor is a massive SKS fan mind
    Kim McGuiness said
    I’m recovering from surgery just now so will not get involved in the events in Westminster. I will say one thing- the Prime Minister needs to be allowed the time to focus and get on with the job of delivering for the people of Britain. Anything else is an unnecessary distraction.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,271

    Scott_xP said:

    @benrileysmith

    Sidenote: Andy Burnham did not publicly back Keir Starmer today

    None of the mayor's apart from London did unless I missed it.

    NE mayor is a massive SKS fan mind
    Ben T Houchen?
    Must be, that 6am knock on the door still hasn't happened.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,246
    IanB2 said:

    DoctorG said:

    DoctorG said:

    Re Wes Streeting - is he safe from being unseated? he currently has a majority a little over 500.

    What does everyone think of the chances of him being unseated by pro Gaza/Palestine independents at the next GE, and is Ilford too far out of Central London for the Greens to target?

    What do you mean too far out? We're only Zone 4!
    London geography is not my strong point I'm afraid!
    Streeting will stand in Ilford North and be returned, probably comfortably.

    Meanwhile, in other news, the British team is having a mare of a Winter Olympics so far…
    Returned to the dole queue?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,734
    stodge said:

    As to Wes Streeting's survival, it will be interesting to see how Redbridge votes in the Council elections in May.

    There is a group known as the Ilford Independents who won a by election last year but whether they will be able to challenge Labour across the Borough remains to be seen. It could also be fruitful ground for Reform against the Conservatives.

    Redbridge is as almost a one-party council as is Newham.

    Back in 2022:

    Lab 58 seats
    Con 5 seats
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,458
    More in Common focus group:

    https://x.com/rhiannon_e_m/status/2020964547201466811

    Just finished a focus group with (mainly white, working class, young, male) Rooted Patriots.

    They are horrified by the whole Mandelson story, and think it taints the whole government - "I've got no sympathy with any of them, they're all guilty by association"

    In this group, Starmer's position is untenable. They not only think he should go, but think that this is now an inevitability. "The trust is gone, and there's no going back from that"

    It's not just Starmer who people have lost faith in, it's anyone around him who they think might have turned a blind eye to any knowledge of Mandelson and Epstein's relationship: "The whole cabinet need to go and we need to start again"
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,498

    FWIW - I do expect Scotland to absolutely rinse England this weekend.

    Really? I think France and England are now by some distance ahead of the rest in the 6N. Scotland have some excellent players - Finn Russel was superb last year for Bath but not on it this year yet. And the SA chap is handy. But England should have enough, including the bench.
    Whoever loses at the Wales v Scotland match will get the wooden spoon. I think Wales will beat Scotland.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,734
    IanB2 said:

    DoctorG said:

    DoctorG said:

    Re Wes Streeting - is he safe from being unseated? he currently has a majority a little over 500.

    What does everyone think of the chances of him being unseated by pro Gaza/Palestine independents at the next GE, and is Ilford too far out of Central London for the Greens to target?

    What do you mean too far out? We're only Zone 4!
    London geography is not my strong point I'm afraid!
    Streeting will stand in Ilford North and be returned, probably comfortably.

    Meanwhile, in other news, the British team is having a mare of a Winter Olympics so far…
    British ice dance skater lady just wore a Ginger Spice-style Union Flag dress - dancing to the Spice Girls, naturally!
  • FWIW - I do expect Scotland to absolutely rinse England this weekend.

    Really? I think France and England are now by some distance ahead of the rest in the 6N. Scotland have some excellent players - Finn Russel was superb last year for Bath but not on it this year yet. And the SA chap is handy. But England should have enough, including the bench.
    I am still scarred by 1990 and to a lesser extent 2000
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,083
    Michael Crick
    @MichaelLCrick
    ·
    2h
    John Healey looks a good bet. The Labour Right like his defence work; the Left recall his media work for the union MSF & the TUC. Aged 66, he may wven appeal to young wannabe leaders, on the rule that young cardinals vote for old popes!

    https://x.com/MichaelLCrick/status/2020930546529075638
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,691
    Brixian59 said:

    Darren Jones really does catch the eye the deeper you delve.

    Not yet 40

    Educared at a Comprehensive
    Studied at Plymouth University
    Worked in NHS
    Transferred to Legal Career
    M at an early age
    Supported Burnham in leadership campaign
    We'll respected across spectrum as Head of various Committees in Opposition
    Several key Ministerial Appointments already

    Looking more likely than Streeting right now in terms of the younger generation

    What did he do at an early age, please? M?
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 484

    FWIW - I do expect Scotland to absolutely rinse England this weekend.

    Really? I think France and England are now by some distance ahead of the rest in the 6N. Scotland have some excellent players - Finn Russel was superb last year for Bath but not on it this year yet. And the SA chap is handy. But England should have enough, including the bench.
    Reverse psychology from TSE! Scotland are up against it this time, Russell, Graham and Kinghorn being left out for various reasons, along with the abject result in Italy has stirred the media to question the head coach, again. Surely feels like this must be now or never for Townsend, finally the Scottish support are questioning the logic of keeping him in charge

    It could be a French grand slam, but England performances are improving as the World cup gets closer
  • Michael Crick
    @MichaelLCrick
    ·
    2h
    John Healey looks a good bet. The Labour Right like his defence work; the Left recall his media work for the union MSF & the TUC. Aged 66, he may wven appeal to young wannabe leaders, on the rule that young cardinals vote for old popes!

    https://x.com/MichaelLCrick/status/2020930546529075638

    ***Buffs nails***
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,482

    FWIW - I do expect Scotland to absolutely rinse England this weekend.

    Really? I think France and England are now by some distance ahead of the rest in the 6N. Scotland have some excellent players - Finn Russel was superb last year for Bath but not on it this year yet. And the SA chap is handy. But England should have enough, including the bench.
    Whoever loses at the Wales v Scotland match will get the wooden spoon. I think Wales will beat Scotland.
    Brave
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,856

    FWIW - I do expect Scotland to absolutely rinse England this weekend.

    Really? I think France and England are now by some distance ahead of the rest in the 6N. Scotland have some excellent players - Finn Russel was superb last year for Bath but not on it this year yet. And the SA chap is handy. But England should have enough, including the bench.
    Whoever loses at the Wales v Scotland match will get the wooden spoon. I think Wales will beat Scotland.
    Not convinced. Scotland have more experience. Although home advantage might play a part. I think France will probably get the grand slam this year. England have three away games, but if they can get past Scotland on Saturday I’d fancy them going four from four too. Could be epic.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,063

    More in Common focus group:

    https://x.com/rhiannon_e_m/status/2020964547201466811

    Just finished a focus group with (mainly white, working class, young, male) Rooted Patriots.

    They are horrified by the whole Mandelson story, and think it taints the whole government - "I've got no sympathy with any of them, they're all guilty by association"

    In this group, Starmer's position is untenable. They not only think he should go, but think that this is now an inevitability. "The trust is gone, and there's no going back from that"

    It's not just Starmer who people have lost faith in, it's anyone around him who they think might have turned a blind eye to any knowledge of Mandelson and Epstein's relationship: "The whole cabinet need to go and we need to start again"

    Did they Think that Trump, Musk and Theil should also go?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,550

    FWIW - I do expect Scotland to absolutely rinse England this weekend.

    Really? I think France and England are now by some distance ahead of the rest in the 6N. Scotland have some excellent players - Finn Russel was superb last year for Bath but not on it this year yet. And the SA chap is handy. But England should have enough, including the bench.
    Whoever loses at the Wales v Scotland match will get the wooden spoon. I think Wales will beat Scotland.
    Why? Are you expecting Scotland's team bus to break down en route so the match is forfeited?
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 484

    FWIW - I do expect Scotland to absolutely rinse England this weekend.

    Really? I think France and England are now by some distance ahead of the rest in the 6N. Scotland have some excellent players - Finn Russel was superb last year for Bath but not on it this year yet. And the SA chap is handy. But England should have enough, including the bench.
    Whoever loses at the Wales v Scotland match will get the wooden spoon. I think Wales will beat Scotland.
    Sadly I fear you may be correct
  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 1,437

    Farage seems to have taken aim at the 'working from home' class.

    A policy designed to unify the under 40s against him, whilst increasing unemployment and pissing off business in process. I thought Farage was the man who was supposed to listen to business rather than tell them what to do?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 57,458
    Foxy said:

    More in Common focus group:

    https://x.com/rhiannon_e_m/status/2020964547201466811

    Just finished a focus group with (mainly white, working class, young, male) Rooted Patriots.

    They are horrified by the whole Mandelson story, and think it taints the whole government - "I've got no sympathy with any of them, they're all guilty by association"

    In this group, Starmer's position is untenable. They not only think he should go, but think that this is now an inevitability. "The trust is gone, and there's no going back from that"

    It's not just Starmer who people have lost faith in, it's anyone around him who they think might have turned a blind eye to any knowledge of Mandelson and Epstein's relationship: "The whole cabinet need to go and we need to start again"

    Did they Think that Trump, Musk and Theil should also go?
    We're not Americans so there's no point having an opinion one way or the other.
  • Just stuck £10 on Healey.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,405
    @ProjectLincoln

    Rep. Raskin: Epstein's lawyers quoted Trump as saying that Epstein was a guest at Mar-a-Lago and he was never asked to leave, and that was redacted for some indeterminate reason. It seems at odds w/ some things that Trump has said about how he kicked Epstein out of his club.

    https://x.com/ProjectLincoln/status/2020977255342903371?s=20
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,856
    AnneJGP said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Darren Jones really does catch the eye the deeper you delve.

    Not yet 40

    Educared at a Comprehensive
    Studied at Plymouth University
    Worked in NHS
    Transferred to Legal Career
    M at an early age
    Supported Burnham in leadership campaign
    We'll respected across spectrum as Head of various Committees in Opposition
    Several key Ministerial Appointments already

    Looking more likely than Streeting right now in terms of the younger generation

    What did he do at an early age, please? M?
    I’m intrigued by the worked in the NHS (taken word for word from Wikipedia). No medical qualms that I can see so what was he? A porter while a student?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 57,734
    AnneJGP said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Darren Jones really does catch the eye the deeper you delve.

    Not yet 40

    Educared at a Comprehensive
    Studied at Plymouth University
    Worked in NHS
    Transferred to Legal Career
    M at an early age
    Supported Burnham in leadership campaign
    We'll respected across spectrum as Head of various Committees in Opposition
    Several key Ministerial Appointments already

    Looking more likely than Streeting right now in terms of the younger generation

    What did he do at an early age, please? M?
    Also was ridiculed on Question Time re. small boats.
  • Farage seems to have taken aim at the 'working from home' class.

    A policy designed to unify the under 40s against him, whilst increasing unemployment and pissing off business in process. I thought Farage was the man who was supposed to listen to business rather than tell them what to do?
    Working from home full time I get. But at least some of the time, I’m struggling to understand the problem. I’ve been at home recently for various private reasons and I’m still working. If I wasn’t able to bring my laptop home they’d get zero work out of me.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,016

    FPT

    DoctorG said:

    Re Wes Streeting - is he safe from being unseated? he currently has a majority a little over 500.

    What does everyone think of the chances of him being unseated by pro Gaza/Palestine independents at the next GE, and is Ilford too far out of Central London for the Greens to target?

    No chance of Labour holding Ilford South. If he's running the show, Streeting could be parachuted into another Labour seat vacated against expectations by a retiring Labour MP in return for a peerage on the eve of the next GE. Pat McFadden got his seat that way, for example. But finding one will be a problem now. A seat like Gorton and Denton would in normal times have fitted the bill nicely......

    As for Streeting, I really don't fancy his chances:

    1. His actions today were about trying to get in first to limit the damage. Yet he damage is still there. The releasing of copious private emails with Mandelson shows just how close the two were in political terms and the tone of them are very much those of friends. Supping with the devil indeed. Commentators have every right to go on describing him as "Mandelson's protege".

    2. At least with the release of further e-mails eventually dismissed Mandelson in September 2025. Yet Streeting faced with the same damning evidence went on camera in September to say that Mandelson was doing a fine job and should stay on. How can someone now stand for Labour leader when they were prepared to publically stand by Mandelson on the basis of the same evidence that caused Starmer to sack him? I am surprised that this video has as yet had little circulation, but it surely will when the time comes:

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/_OEcau1ACtA

    Note that Streeting is using the same argument in defending his closeness to Mandelson as he used about Mandelson's closeness to Epstein then.
    "We shouldn't tar everyone as being guilty by association."
    Streeting down after today but then it’s Rayner who is literally a criminal.

    So an outsider? Darren Jones?
    "Literally a criminal"? No. And dragging it out helps not hinders Rayner because time is on her side.

    As regards Jones FFS no not a cat in hells chance. Continuity No 10 when members want change. You might as well go the Full Monty and have McSweeney as the new PM's adviser.

    Healey would be my choice of a genuine outsider offering value, in from 50/1 to 16/1 with Ladbrokes in a week, still available elsewhere at 40/1.
    Healey? Does he have any ideas?
    The missing thing imo is not ideas - we know what those are, but it needs gumption and application to follow through.

    To me it would be loopy for Sir Keir not to give himself another year; he's done the toughest period and achieved a number of things already, and there should be much benefit to follow through.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 484

    FWIW - I do expect Scotland to absolutely rinse England this weekend.

    Really? I think France and England are now by some distance ahead of the rest in the 6N. Scotland have some excellent players - Finn Russel was superb last year for Bath but not on it this year yet. And the SA chap is handy. But England should have enough, including the bench.
    Whoever loses at the Wales v Scotland match will get the wooden spoon. I think Wales will beat Scotland.
    Not convinced. Scotland have more experience. Although home advantage might play a part. I think France will probably get the grand slam this year. England have three away games, but if they can get past Scotland on Saturday I’d fancy them going four from four too. Could be epic.
    Scotland haven't been convincing the last two times we have played Wales, and home advantage for Wales

    Give Wales the win this time, Scotland arent winning 6N anyway. Wales don't get bottom, Toonie goes to Newcastle, Scotland get a new coach and a new spoon, winner winner all round
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 1,264
    kle4 said:

    Lord McSweeney nailed on in the SKS resignation honours list methinks

    According to wikipedia Blair and Brown did not issue resignation honours (though Brown had a dissolution list to the same basic effect), so Starmer should steer clear of such a Tory crony tactic!
    Problem with that high minded approach is that it further entrenches a Tory majority in the Lords
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,016

    IanB2 said:

    DoctorG said:

    DoctorG said:

    Re Wes Streeting - is he safe from being unseated? he currently has a majority a little over 500.

    What does everyone think of the chances of him being unseated by pro Gaza/Palestine independents at the next GE, and is Ilford too far out of Central London for the Greens to target?

    What do you mean too far out? We're only Zone 4!
    London geography is not my strong point I'm afraid!
    Streeting will stand in Ilford North and be returned, probably comfortably.

    Meanwhile, in other news, the British team is having a mare of a Winter Olympics so far…
    British ice dance skater lady just wore a Ginger Spice-style Union Flag dress - dancing to the Spice Girls, naturally!
    I thought the sound track was quite anaemic - though TBF I am not listening with huge speakers.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,063

    Taz said:

    GIN1138 said:

    https://x.com/RogueUnfiltered/status/2020952079775432915

    Oh dear Wes Streeting and Mandleson were sending kisses and encouraging messages to one another - which could be deemed as very “lovey” ….

    You can almost see Wez shrinking in his seat as he's confronted with that messages... Thinking, oh **** 😂
    "I did not have textual relations with that man, Mr Mandelson."

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/feb/09/peter-mandelson-wes-streeting-vetting-moral-seriousness

    image
    I thought that was a fake header not real !!
    I'd say that actually lowers his chances.

    It's so nakedly transparent.
    I think Streeting is rather like Mandelson (part of the reason that I don't like either). There is too much smarmy manipulation, coupled with a preening arrogance. Of course a politician needs some self belief, but no-one believes in themself more than Streeting.

    There's also the feeling that they are always looking over your shoulder, looking for someone more important to talk to. Be nice to people on your way up Wes as you will meet them again on your way down.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,405
    Clifford Chance trainee’s ‘sex contract’ with Epstein

    A junior at the London firm’s Paris office drafted a deal to provide the paedophile with ‘favours’ including nude swimming and sex games

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/law/article/epstein-files-trainee-lawyer-clifford-chance-emails-qp87d9ncl
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,283
    AnneJGP said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Darren Jones really does catch the eye the deeper you delve.

    Not yet 40

    Educared at a Comprehensive
    Studied at Plymouth University
    Worked in NHS
    Transferred to Legal Career
    M at an early age
    Supported Burnham in leadership campaign
    We'll respected across spectrum as Head of various Committees in Opposition
    Several key Ministerial Appointments already

    Looking more likely than Streeting right now in terms of the younger generation

    What did he do at an early age, please? M?
    P?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,080

    Foxy said:

    More in Common focus group:

    https://x.com/rhiannon_e_m/status/2020964547201466811

    Just finished a focus group with (mainly white, working class, young, male) Rooted Patriots.

    They are horrified by the whole Mandelson story, and think it taints the whole government - "I've got no sympathy with any of them, they're all guilty by association"

    In this group, Starmer's position is untenable. They not only think he should go, but think that this is now an inevitability. "The trust is gone, and there's no going back from that"

    It's not just Starmer who people have lost faith in, it's anyone around him who they think might have turned a blind eye to any knowledge of Mandelson and Epstein's relationship: "The whole cabinet need to go and we need to start again"

    Did they Think that Trump, Musk and Theil should also go?
    We're not Americans so there's no point having an opinion one way or the other.
    Unlike Trump and Musk I shouldn't think most people in Britain have heard of Thiel until recently.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,405
    MattW said:

    IanB2 said:

    DoctorG said:

    DoctorG said:

    Re Wes Streeting - is he safe from being unseated? he currently has a majority a little over 500.

    What does everyone think of the chances of him being unseated by pro Gaza/Palestine independents at the next GE, and is Ilford too far out of Central London for the Greens to target?

    What do you mean too far out? We're only Zone 4!
    London geography is not my strong point I'm afraid!
    Streeting will stand in Ilford North and be returned, probably comfortably.

    Meanwhile, in other news, the British team is having a mare of a Winter Olympics so far…
    British ice dance skater lady just wore a Ginger Spice-style Union Flag dress - dancing to the Spice Girls, naturally!
    I thought the sound track was quite anaemic - though TBF I am not listening with huge speakers.
    Apparently there is some technical reason they can't broadcast the audio directly from the source but I don't know what that is
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,083

    Michael Crick
    @MichaelLCrick
    ·
    2h
    John Healey looks a good bet. The Labour Right like his defence work; the Left recall his media work for the union MSF & the TUC. Aged 66, he may wven appeal to young wannabe leaders, on the rule that young cardinals vote for old popes!

    https://x.com/MichaelLCrick/status/2020930546529075638

    ***Buffs nails***
    I thought your book was rammed with Miliband Jnr?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,016

    Michael Crick
    @MichaelLCrick
    ·
    2h
    John Healey looks a good bet. The Labour Right like his defence work; the Left recall his media work for the union MSF & the TUC. Aged 66, he may wven appeal to young wannabe leaders, on the rule that young cardinals vote for old popes!

    https://x.com/MichaelLCrick/status/2020930546529075638

    ***Buffs nails***
    *** Also buffs nails ***.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,080

    Farage seems to have taken aim at the 'working from home' class.

    A policy designed to unify the under 40s against him, whilst increasing unemployment and pissing off business in process. I thought Farage was the man who was supposed to listen to business rather than tell them what to do?
    I choose not to work from home, but I don't see what's the matter with letting the market decide on this one. A politician can easily therefore rail against it to earn boomer cred, without actually needing to suggest doing anything about it.
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