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  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 59,973

    eek said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    I see the moron has decided to place tariffs on allies who don't agree he can unilaterally annex their territory.

    It's economic war rather than actual war but with the same effect.

    As many pointed out here a year ago, NATO is finished in all but name and Europe needs to start spending to defend Ukraine and (ultimately) itself from Russia.

    But I still just don't get why Trump cares about Greenland...
    It’s very big on the map and close to the US.
    More importantly, it has a shitload of resources to plunder into the pockets of Trump Inc.
    The resources may or may not work out. I think that is a side hustle for Trump. He wants everything next to America, Risk style.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 125,712

    NEW THREAD

  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,460

    Nigelb said:

    eek said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    I see the moron has decided to place tariffs on allies who don't agree he can unilaterally annex their territory.

    It's economic war rather than actual war but with the same effect.

    As many pointed out here a year ago, NATO is finished in all but name and Europe needs to start spending to defend Ukraine and (ultimately) itself from Russia.

    But I still just don't get why Trump cares about Greenland...
    What if the real motivation is ending NATO, and Greenland is the pretext to get Trump to do it ?

    The appeal of territorial aggrandisement to Trump is quite obvious. That any of this is of absolutely no practical benefit (and potential massive cost) to the US isn't really relevant.

    Stretch goal is to move a couple of hundred thousand reliable MAGA voters up there and give it statehood.
    If someone points out to him the existence of a Washington State, the absence of a Trump State would be unendurable.
    Trump thinks Greenland is his version of the Klondike. Only it won't be old fellows with riddles but petrochemical giants with big f***-off drilling equipment.
    Didn't his grandfather run a brothel in the Klondike?

    What a thought with which to start a Sunday morning! A sunny one, too!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 59,335
    MelonB said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @davidbeech.bsky.social‬

    Why doesn't Laura K ask Richard Tice why Farage has backed out of his planned interview? Is she not curious? Might it - hear me out sounds crazy i know - he doesn't want to criticise his best buddy in the WH? The guy wants to be PM but runs away when Trump attacks us through tariffs?

    @alastairmeeks.bsky.social‬

    Be fair. If you do as much sucking up to foreign strongmen as Nigel Farage does, an occasional sore throat is to be expected.

    Greenland has been an interesting case of something unifying British opinion across the wings, so much so that Farage has been forced to express mild disapproval.

    What I’ve found more interesting is how this flushes out the obviously fake “British” alt-right accounts on Twitter. After every post by a UK politician on this there’s a slew of England flag patriot commenters all spouting a variation either on MAGA talking points (Denmark evil colonist, Greenland vulnerable to Chinese takeover) or none of our business sentiments. They’re so obviously not actually British. They’re by and large very formulaic. As suspect as the multitude of great replacement theory posts after anything else about the UK. The question is are they Russian (funded), Iranian, Chinese, or is it possible MAGA has its own troop of trolls on the payroll?

    Similar copy-paste pattern in French language responses, though there are fewer of those.
    It was remarked last week that a group of Scottish nationalist social media accounts all went offline at the same time as the internet in Iran was pulled.

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/25759181.network-scottish-x-accounts-go-dark-amid-iran-blackout/

    There’s clearly large groups of foreigners engaging with Westerners on social media, especially on contentious political issues, with the intention of sowing division. The funding is likely coming from Russia, China, Iran, Qatar.

    With the exception of the US, most Western political parties don’t have the finances to recruit armies of paid activists.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,324
    edited 10:30AM
    Sandpit said:

    MelonB said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @davidbeech.bsky.social‬

    Why doesn't Laura K ask Richard Tice why Farage has backed out of his planned interview? Is she not curious? Might it - hear me out sounds crazy i know - he doesn't want to criticise his best buddy in the WH? The guy wants to be PM but runs away when Trump attacks us through tariffs?

    @alastairmeeks.bsky.social‬

    Be fair. If you do as much sucking up to foreign strongmen as Nigel Farage does, an occasional sore throat is to be expected.

    Greenland has been an interesting case of something unifying British opinion across the wings, so much so that Farage has been forced to express mild disapproval.

    What I’ve found more interesting is how this flushes out the obviously fake “British” alt-right accounts on Twitter. After every post by a UK politician on this there’s a slew of England flag patriot commenters all spouting a variation either on MAGA talking points (Denmark evil colonist, Greenland vulnerable to Chinese takeover) or none of our business sentiments. They’re so obviously not actually British. They’re by and large very formulaic. As suspect as the multitude of great replacement theory posts after anything else about the UK. The question is are they Russian (funded), Iranian, Chinese, or is it possible MAGA has its own troop of trolls on the payroll?

    Similar copy-paste pattern in French language responses, though there are fewer of those.
    It was remarked last week that a group of Scottish nationalist social media accounts all went offline at the same time as the internet in Iran was pulled.

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/25759181.network-scottish-x-accounts-go-dark-amid-iran-blackout/

    There’s clearly large groups of foreigners engaging with Westerners on social media, especially on contentious political issues, with the intention of sowing division. The funding is likely coming from Russia, China, Iran, Qatar.

    With the exception of the US, most Western political parties don’t have the finances to recruit armies of paid activists.
    I wonder who's running all the mental Unionist accounts?
    Ok, as you were, they're genuinely like that.
  • TazTaz Posts: 23,996
    Battlebus said:

    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    kle4 said:

    I am shocked - shocked - that some people on a political message board are also so knowledgable about Warhammer40k

    I now understand why you normies hate it when the train discussion happens. Cause I'm just wanting to scream NERDS and give people wedgies.

    Can we not discuss class 37s instead?
    Stripping out the Warhammer stuff (which is of tepid sociological interest) the injection moulding discussion has genuine potential.
    I’ve worked in Moulding on and off for nearly 40 years.

    Genuine affinity for it.

    I once spent a week visiting Spanish moulders for the NMUK project I was working on, for a tier 1.

    Zaragoza region

    The moulded were okay. The food cracking. Especially the small rural bistros.
    Did it shape you?
    One of the companies I worked for had, as its company ‘motif’, ‘shaping the future’ 🙄
  • MattWMattW Posts: 31,733
    edited 12:00PM
    Sandpit said:

    MelonB said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @davidbeech.bsky.social‬

    Why doesn't Laura K ask Richard Tice why Farage has backed out of his planned interview? Is she not curious? Might it - hear me out sounds crazy i know - he doesn't want to criticise his best buddy in the WH? The guy wants to be PM but runs away when Trump attacks us through tariffs?

    @alastairmeeks.bsky.social‬

    Be fair. If you do as much sucking up to foreign strongmen as Nigel Farage does, an occasional sore throat is to be expected.

    Greenland has been an interesting case of something unifying British opinion across the wings, so much so that Farage has been forced to express mild disapproval.

    What I’ve found more interesting is how this flushes out the obviously fake “British” alt-right accounts on Twitter. After every post by a UK politician on this there’s a slew of England flag patriot commenters all spouting a variation either on MAGA talking points (Denmark evil colonist, Greenland vulnerable to Chinese takeover) or none of our business sentiments. They’re so obviously not actually British. They’re by and large very formulaic. As suspect as the multitude of great replacement theory posts after anything else about the UK. The question is are they Russian (funded), Iranian, Chinese, or is it possible MAGA has its own troop of trolls on the payroll?

    Similar copy-paste pattern in French language responses, though there are fewer of those.
    It was remarked last week that a group of Scottish nationalist social media accounts all went offline at the same time as the internet in Iran was pulled.

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/25759181.network-scottish-x-accounts-go-dark-amid-iran-blackout/

    There’s clearly large groups of foreigners engaging with Westerners on social media, especially on contentious political issues, with the intention of sowing division. The funding is likely coming from Russia, China, Iran, Qatar.

    With the exception of the US, most Western political parties don’t have the finances to recruit armies of paid activists.
    I'm sure that some of it is international interests, but there is also straight entrepreneurialism knowing that in many bubbles (such as Scottish Nationalism or for that matter English Nationalism or MAGA-doodle) there is a very responsive market for BS, and it is an appealing market for eg Indian or other online entrepreneurs.

    When people and politicians here respond to BS, that creates a market. And Elon Musk in particular supplies a revenue-paying platform.

    In 2025, for example Lee Anderson received more £3000-3500 from Twitter (Register of Interests), for an account with 300k followers, plus £600 for branding his account for GB News. I'm taking it that that is a share of ad revenue. That is an above average income in many middle-income countries.

    In one way that's just more globalisation.
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