I laid Reform to win most seats at 2.06 a month or so ago, and would have thought I was in good shape considering the stories about Farage’s schooldays, but they’re 2.02 to lay now
The Farage schoolboy stories is interesting. The same people mortally offended by it go out of their way to defend the Anti British anti Semite our govt, the previous govt, the Lib Dem’s and greens went to bat for. He said sorry and he was 32 at the time. Makes it okay.
As for the Reform are Russian assets smear it looks like the Tories are on the receiving end now over Lord Wolfson defending Roman Abramovich.
Still we have the impartial review into foreign influence in UK politics the govt is carrying out. A thorough and forensic analysis which will take a couple of months and conveniently timed to come out before the locals in May,
I wonder what it will find and if it will be to labours advantage 🤔
Nobody as far as I know is asking that Farage be stripped of his British citizenship and deported, they're simply asking Farage to offer some credible response to the allegations. As far as I am aware the other chap has already apologized unreservedly for his comments, which is certainly a step in the right direction. My personal view is everyone should be accountable for what they say but nobody should be cancelled for it.
Unreservedly’, no, it was couched with caveats and he even used the Alf Garnett defence.
He was also an adult when he made the comments, some very inflammatory to a large online audience.
An apology make it all okay ?
Farage was a child.
For some of the time when the quotes originated, he was 17, older than Shamima Begum was when she 'went' to Syria.
I think Begum should come home but are you aware of what she was involved with out there? It wasn't making racist comments.
He's in his late 80s now I believe - are there any indications that he is basically just a figurehead now, or is he still actively running the show? Mugabe was still dictatoring into his 90s, although by the end it was clear factions were manuevering more than him running things, which is why he was eventually removed.
Mugabe was doomed the moment the army went against him. When General Chiwenga went on TV and spoke of the threat to the revolution he was toast.
I laid Reform to win most seats at 2.06 a month or so ago, and would have thought I was in good shape considering the stories about Farage’s schooldays, but they’re 2.02 to lay now
The Farage schoolboy stories is interesting. The same people mortally offended by it go out of their way to defend the Anti British anti Semite our govt, the previous govt, the Lib Dem’s and greens went to bat for. He said sorry and he was 32 at the time. Makes it okay.
As for the Reform are Russian assets smear it looks like the Tories are on the receiving end now over Lord Wolfson defending Roman Abramovich.
Still we have the impartial review into foreign influence in UK politics the govt is carrying out. A thorough and forensic analysis which will take a couple of months and conveniently timed to come out before the locals in May,
I wonder what it will find and if it will be to labours advantage 🤔
Nobody as far as I know is asking that Farage be stripped of his British citizenship and deported, they're simply asking Farage to offer some credible response to the allegations. As far as I am aware the other chap has already apologized unreservedly for his comments, which is certainly a step in the right direction. My personal view is everyone should be accountable for what they say but nobody should be cancelled for it.
Unreservedly’, no, it was couched with caveats and he even used the Alf Garnett defence.
He was also an adult when he made the comments, some very inflammatory to a large online audience.
An apology make it all okay ?
Farage was a child.
For some of the time when the quotes originated, he was 17, older than Shamima Begum was when she 'went' to Syria.
I think Begum should come home but are you aware of what she was involved with out there? It wasn't making racist comments.
I'm not sure how much choice she would have had once she had been groomed into going there. Any criminal responsibility should be a matter for the courts to decide. I suspect the reason she isn't being allowed back is because any trial would reveal embarrassing things about British intelligence failures and possible collusion with groomers/informers.
He's in his late 80s now I believe - are there any indications that he is basically just a figurehead now, or is he still actively running the show? Mugabe was still dictatoring into his 90s, although by the end it was clear factions were manuevering more than him running things, which is why he was eventually removed.
There are rumours - to put it no more strongly than that - that his son is doing most of the day to day work with a view to becoming Supreme Leader himself.
I laid Reform to win most seats at 2.06 a month or so ago, and would have thought I was in good shape considering the stories about Farage’s schooldays, but they’re 2.02 to lay now
The Farage schoolboy stories is interesting. The same people mortally offended by it go out of their way to defend the Anti British anti Semite our govt, the previous govt, the Lib Dem’s and greens went to bat for. He said sorry and he was 32 at the time. Makes it okay.
As for the Reform are Russian assets smear it looks like the Tories are on the receiving end now over Lord Wolfson defending Roman Abramovich.
Still we have the impartial review into foreign influence in UK politics the govt is carrying out. A thorough and forensic analysis which will take a couple of months and conveniently timed to come out before the locals in May,
I wonder what it will find and if it will be to labours advantage 🤔
Nobody as far as I know is asking that Farage be stripped of his British citizenship and deported, they're simply asking Farage to offer some credible response to the allegations. As far as I am aware the other chap has already apologized unreservedly for his comments, which is certainly a step in the right direction. My personal view is everyone should be accountable for what they say but nobody should be cancelled for it.
Unreservedly’, no, it was couched with caveats and he even used the Alf Garnett defence.
He was also an adult when he made the comments, some very inflammatory to a large online audience.
An apology make it all okay ?
Farage was a child.
For some of the time when the quotes originated, he was 17, older than Shamima Begum was when she 'went' to Syria.
I think Begum should come home but are you aware of what she was involved with out there? It wasn't making racist comments.
It’s genuinely amazing people happily defend her and mitigate what she did while dogpiling on Farage for stupid comments as a child.
My mate asked me if I could name any famous Syrians.
I said, "Well, there's Botham, McKellen, Duncan-Smith”..
I will admit I don't get it.
"Syrians" is misheard as "Sir Ians". So there's Sir Ian Botham, Sir Ian McKellen, Sir Iain Duncan Smith, etc
Lord Botham I think you'll find. Although I can see why you might forget.
I don't think the Lord title really suits him. If he needs to be acknowledged in some way I'd have thought something like a Royal Navy ship would be more appropriate. Send HMS Botham to the south pacific.
Talking of Iran, a reminder that Tehran the tv show, absolute top drawer series. The Night Manager was back yesterday on the BBC, its decent, but Tehran is superior with the latest series also have Hugh Lawrie in a main role.
He's in his late 80s now I believe - are there any indications that he is basically just a figurehead now, or is he still actively running the show? Mugabe was still dictatoring into his 90s, although by the end it was clear factions were manuevering more than him running things, which is why he was eventually removed.
Mugabe was doomed the moment the army went against him. When General Chiwenga went on TV and spoke of the threat to the revolution he was toast.
Wasn't there a really odd moment where Mugabe went on TV and it seemed all co-ordinated as him being forced to resign, but he didn't do it, so like the next day or so they took it out of his hands for good?
I laid Reform to win most seats at 2.06 a month or so ago, and would have thought I was in good shape considering the stories about Farage’s schooldays, but they’re 2.02 to lay now
The Farage schoolboy stories is interesting. The same people mortally offended by it go out of their way to defend the Anti British anti Semite our govt, the previous govt, the Lib Dem’s and greens went to bat for. He said sorry and he was 32 at the time. Makes it okay.
As for the Reform are Russian assets smear it looks like the Tories are on the receiving end now over Lord Wolfson defending Roman Abramovich.
Still we have the impartial review into foreign influence in UK politics the govt is carrying out. A thorough and forensic analysis which will take a couple of months and conveniently timed to come out before the locals in May,
I wonder what it will find and if it will be to labours advantage 🤔
Nobody as far as I know is asking that Farage be stripped of his British citizenship and deported, they're simply asking Farage to offer some credible response to the allegations. As far as I am aware the other chap has already apologized unreservedly for his comments, which is certainly a step in the right direction. My personal view is everyone should be accountable for what they say but nobody should be cancelled for it.
Unreservedly’, no, it was couched with caveats and he even used the Alf Garnett defence.
He was also an adult when he made the comments, some very inflammatory to a large online audience.
An apology make it all okay ?
Farage was a child.
For some of the time when the quotes originated, he was 17, older than Shamima Begum was when she 'went' to Syria.
But did she do more than just go there and say bad things? Being a child is not a defence to everything, though it is to many things, presumably why we have an age of criminal responsibility in the first place.
Whether in her particular case people are satisfied with the punishment meted out given her circumstances and suggestions of grooming etc is something that will be debated for a long time I am sure, but that she was legally a child is obviously not an instant amelioration for her in itself.
Entertainingly, she participated in the literal enslavement of Yazidi women, as part of the ISIS attempted genocide.
I say entertainingly, because her lawyers are trying to claim, via the ECHR, that the British Government didn't take into account the modern slavery stuff - i.e. she was trafficked - when removing her citizenship.
I laid Reform to win most seats at 2.06 a month or so ago, and would have thought I was in good shape considering the stories about Farage’s schooldays, but they’re 2.02 to lay now
The Farage schoolboy stories is interesting. The same people mortally offended by it go out of their way to defend the Anti British anti Semite our govt, the previous govt, the Lib Dem’s and greens went to bat for. He said sorry and he was 32 at the time. Makes it okay.
As for the Reform are Russian assets smear it looks like the Tories are on the receiving end now over Lord Wolfson defending Roman Abramovich.
Still we have the impartial review into foreign influence in UK politics the govt is carrying out. A thorough and forensic analysis which will take a couple of months and conveniently timed to come out before the locals in May,
I wonder what it will find and if it will be to labours advantage 🤔
Nobody as far as I know is asking that Farage be stripped of his British citizenship and deported, they're simply asking Farage to offer some credible response to the allegations. As far as I am aware the other chap has already apologized unreservedly for his comments, which is certainly a step in the right direction. My personal view is everyone should be accountable for what they say but nobody should be cancelled for it.
Unreservedly’, no, it was couched with caveats and he even used the Alf Garnett defence.
He was also an adult when he made the comments, some very inflammatory to a large online audience.
An apology make it all okay ?
Farage was a child.
For some of the time when the quotes originated, he was 17, older than Shamima Begum was when she 'went' to Syria.
I think Begum should come home but are you aware of what she was involved with out there? It wasn't making racist comments.
I'm not sure how much choice she would have had once she had been groomed into going there. Any criminal responsibility should be a matter for the courts to decide. I suspect the reason she isn't being allowed back is because any trial would reveal embarrassing things about British intelligence failures and possible collusion with groomers/informers.
Setting aside morals, I don't see any practical reason why she should be allowed back in the country.
She chose to leave, she made the choice, we legally could close the door behind her and have.
Morally she may be our problem, but legally and practically she's not, and we're better off for that.
Took my wife out to lunch today for her birthday with the family. Unfortunately, there was a moment my 3 year old son bolted off down the restaurant, whilst she was in the loo with my daughter, and I had to run after him to rescue him, but not before he'd climbed onto the bench on the table next to a couple eating. Never had this before but they were very rude about it, "Do you mind? We're trying to eat here." and then commented on my inability to keep my child under control. I must admit I was fuming for most of the rest of the meal, until my wife calmed me down.
My mate asked me if I could name any famous Syrians.
I said, "Well, there's Botham, McKellen, Duncan-Smith”..
I will admit I don't get it.
"Syrians" is misheard as "Sir Ians". So there's Sir Ian Botham, Sir Ian McKellen, Sir Iain Duncan Smith, etc
Lord Botham I think you'll find. Although I can see why you might forget.
I don't think the Lord title really suits him. If he needs to be acknowledged in some way I'd have thought something like a Royal Navy ship would be more appropriate. Send HMS Botham to the south pacific.
Took my wife out to lunch today for her birthday with the family. Unfortunately, there was a moment my 3 year old son bolted off down the restaurant, whilst she was in the loo with my daughter, and I had to run after him to rescue him, but not before he'd climbed onto the bench on the table next to a couple eating. Never had this before but they were very rude about it, "Do you mind? We're trying to eat here." and then commented on my inability to keep my child under control. I must admit I was fuming for most of the rest of the meal, until my wife calmed me down.
Yes, they were triple-lockers. Charming.
You should have bought a pint of beer, and then tipped it over their heads.
It's this kind of arrogance that will do for the liberal elite.
You're assuming that because GB News has mentioned something that must be why it has got salience? Have you considered that maybe people were criticising the BBC and THEN GB News (unsurprisingly as a rival broadcaster) picked up on it?
The only person I quoted was Simon Schama who so far as I know has never appeared on GB News. Ultimately that TV channel is just a useful scapegoat for a certain elite opinion that can no longer accept criticism. There are too many young people at BBC news who've had their minds polluted with postcolonial bullshit. The protests in Iran don't really register with them. It's not a conspiracy or pro Ayatollah mentality just a blind spot. The protests deserved greater prominence and a better national broadcaster would have done that.
One thing I would say is that western leaders have remarkably silent on the whole thing.
I think we are quite poorly served by traditional media now, with some exceptions (like Steve Rosenberg, who is excellent on Russia because he speaks Russian and has studied it for decades).
One issue is generational attitudes to journalism, another is groupthink, another is the quite dreadful pay they offer today, and it's much easier for podcasters to just do much better journalism than they can more quickly.
He's in his late 80s now I believe - are there any indications that he is basically just a figurehead now, or is he still actively running the show? Mugabe was still dictatoring into his 90s, although by the end it was clear factions were manuevering more than him running things, which is why he was eventually removed.
Mugabe was doomed the moment the army went against him. When General Chiwenga went on TV and spoke of the threat to the revolution he was toast.
Wasn't there a really odd moment where Mugabe went on TV and it seemed all co-ordinated as him being forced to resign, but he didn't do it, so like the next day or so they took it out of his hands for good?
Yes, and several,ZANU PF politicians who had professed support for him in the factional spat suddenly had a change of heart too,
Taking a quick look at the BBC Iran coverage, they don't seem to know what's going on there. I suspect a lack of a definitive story to report is what's driven their coverage so far rather than a cover up. Unlike a certain other "broadcaster" the BBC isn't in the business of inventing news
I laid Reform to win most seats at 2.06 a month or so ago, and would have thought I was in good shape considering the stories about Farage’s schooldays, but they’re 2.02 to lay now
The Farage schoolboy stories is interesting. The same people mortally offended by it go out of their way to defend the Anti British anti Semite our govt, the previous govt, the Lib Dem’s and greens went to bat for. He said sorry and he was 32 at the time. Makes it okay.
As for the Reform are Russian assets smear it looks like the Tories are on the receiving end now over Lord Wolfson defending Roman Abramovich.
Still we have the impartial review into foreign influence in UK politics the govt is carrying out. A thorough and forensic analysis which will take a couple of months and conveniently timed to come out before the locals in May,
I wonder what it will find and if it will be to labours advantage 🤔
Nobody as far as I know is asking that Farage be stripped of his British citizenship and deported, they're simply asking Farage to offer some credible response to the allegations. As far as I am aware the other chap has already apologized unreservedly for his comments, which is certainly a step in the right direction. My personal view is everyone should be accountable for what they say but nobody should be cancelled for it.
Unreservedly’, no, it was couched with caveats and he even used the Alf Garnett defence.
He was also an adult when he made the comments, some very inflammatory to a large online audience.
An apology make it all okay ?
Farage was a child.
For some of the time when the quotes originated, he was 17, older than Shamima Begum was when she 'went' to Syria.
I think Begum should come home but are you aware of what she was involved with out there? It wasn't making racist comments.
I'm not sure how much choice she would have had once she had been groomed into going there. Any criminal responsibility should be a matter for the courts to decide. I suspect the reason she isn't being allowed back is because any trial would reveal embarrassing things about British intelligence failures and possible collusion with groomers/informers.
Setting aside morals, I don't see any practical reason why she should be allowed back in the country.
She chose to leave, she made the choice, we legally could close the door behind her and have.
Morally she may be our problem, but legally and practically she's not, and we're better off for that.
I think part of the intense debate in this matter is indeed the morals of the situation, but also in part just how unusual it seems now to us of the state basically washing it's hands of a citizen (indeed, now former citizen), no matter how heinous their acts may be. The idea of treason is not really one that is part of modern discourse, and so the idea that the state has duties to us is very high, but that we have a duty to the state not to give comfort to terrorists etc or it might (given the opportunity) toss us out on our ear, is hard to grapple with.
I do think a lot of people would be more comfortable if the government simply did not have the power to strip anyone of citizenship under any circumstances, let alone the particular circumstances with this young woman, but I cannot see the state giving that option up, or being told (potentially) by the ECHR that it theoretically can but practically cannot.
Took my wife out to lunch today for her birthday with the family. Unfortunately, there was a moment my 3 year old son bolted off down the restaurant, whilst she was in the loo with my daughter, and I had to run after him to rescue him, but not before he'd climbed onto the bench on the table next to a couple eating. Never had this before but they were very rude about it, "Do you mind? We're trying to eat here." and then commented on my inability to keep my child under control. I must admit I was fuming for most of the rest of the meal, until my wife calmed me down.
Yes, they were triple-lockers. Charming.
Did they not thank you for your contribution to their lifestyle of restaurants and cruises ?
Took my wife out to lunch today for her birthday with the family. Unfortunately, there was a moment my 3 year old son bolted off down the restaurant, whilst she was in the loo with my daughter, and I had to run after him to rescue him, but not before he'd climbed onto the bench on the table next to a couple eating. Never had this before but they were very rude about it, "Do you mind? We're trying to eat here." and then commented on my inability to keep my child under control. I must admit I was fuming for most of the rest of the meal, until my wife calmed me down.
Yes, they were triple-lockers. Charming.
You should have bought a pint of beer, and then tipped it over their heads.
I fantasised about it.
In reality, I was quietly British and did absolutely nothing, other than say to them they should consider being more tolerant.
Took my wife out to lunch today for her birthday with the family. Unfortunately, there was a moment my 3 year old son bolted off down the restaurant, whilst she was in the loo with my daughter, and I had to run after him to rescue him, but not before he'd climbed onto the bench on the table next to a couple eating. Never had this before but they were very rude about it, "Do you mind? We're trying to eat here." and then commented on my inability to keep my child under control. I must admit I was fuming for most of the rest of the meal, until my wife calmed me down.
Yes, they were triple-lockers. Charming.
Young kids are annoying by nature, but reasonable people give them (and their parents) a pass on the first incident at least. People are such bloody snowflakes thesedays.
Took my wife out to lunch today for her birthday with the family. Unfortunately, there was a moment my 3 year old son bolted off down the restaurant, whilst she was in the loo with my daughter, and I had to run after him to rescue him, but not before he'd climbed onto the bench on the table next to a couple eating. Never had this before but they were very rude about it, "Do you mind? We're trying to eat here." and then commented on my inability to keep my child under control. I must admit I was fuming for most of the rest of the meal, until my wife calmed me down.
Yes, they were triple-lockers. Charming.
Children, eh! I suspect we've all been there, in one way or another.
If you can ask your parents; were you a little whatsit at any time?
Taking a quick look at the BBC Iran coverage, they don't seem to know what's going on there. I suspect a lack of a definitive story to report is what's driven their coverage so far rather than a cover up. Unlike a certain other "broadcaster" the BBC isn't in the business of inventing news
I'd imagine that the BBC have a pretty good network of people that would provide some token soundings. So perhaps the picture is quite unclear to the average man on the Iranian street too.
Whatever the outcome, I hope for the Iranians that its a good one. They're very nice people.
Took my wife out to lunch today for her birthday with the family. Unfortunately, there was a moment my 3 year old son bolted off down the restaurant, whilst she was in the loo with my daughter, and I had to run after him to rescue him, but not before he'd climbed onto the bench on the table next to a couple eating. Never had this before but they were very rude about it, "Do you mind? We're trying to eat here." and then commented on my inability to keep my child under control. I must admit I was fuming for most of the rest of the meal, until my wife calmed me down.
Yes, they were triple-lockers. Charming.
Did they not thank you for your contribution to their lifestyle of restaurants and cruises ?
My wife said they were clearly quite unhappy and very grumpy people.
I laid Reform to win most seats at 2.06 a month or so ago, and would have thought I was in good shape considering the stories about Farage’s schooldays, but they’re 2.02 to lay now
The Farage schoolboy stories is interesting. The same people mortally offended by it go out of their way to defend the Anti British anti Semite our govt, the previous govt, the Lib Dem’s and greens went to bat for. He said sorry and he was 32 at the time. Makes it okay.
As for the Reform are Russian assets smear it looks like the Tories are on the receiving end now over Lord Wolfson defending Roman Abramovich.
Still we have the impartial review into foreign influence in UK politics the govt is carrying out. A thorough and forensic analysis which will take a couple of months and conveniently timed to come out before the locals in May,
I wonder what it will find and if it will be to labours advantage 🤔
Nobody as far as I know is asking that Farage be stripped of his British citizenship and deported, they're simply asking Farage to offer some credible response to the allegations. As far as I am aware the other chap has already apologized unreservedly for his comments, which is certainly a step in the right direction. My personal view is everyone should be accountable for what they say but nobody should be cancelled for it.
Unreservedly’, no, it was couched with caveats and he even used the Alf Garnett defence.
He was also an adult when he made the comments, some very inflammatory to a large online audience.
An apology make it all okay ?
Farage was a child.
For some of the time when the quotes originated, he was 17, older than Shamima Begum was when she 'went' to Syria.
But did she do more than just go there and say bad things? Being a child is not a defence to everything, though it is to many things, presumably why we have an age of criminal responsibility in the first place.
Whether in her particular case people are satisfied with the punishment meted out given her circumstances and suggestions of grooming etc is something that will be debated for a long time I am sure, but that she was legally a child is obviously not an instant amelioration for her in itself.
She’s not mad any judicial punishment aside from her British Citizenship being removed.
She should face trial in Syria where her alleged crimes took place.
The killers of Jamie Bulger were children after all. Some children say and do silly things then grow up.
Took my wife out to lunch today for her birthday with the family. Unfortunately, there was a moment my 3 year old son bolted off down the restaurant, whilst she was in the loo with my daughter, and I had to run after him to rescue him, but not before he'd climbed onto the bench on the table next to a couple eating. Never had this before but they were very rude about it, "Do you mind? We're trying to eat here." and then commented on my inability to keep my child under control. I must admit I was fuming for most of the rest of the meal, until my wife calmed me down.
Yes, they were triple-lockers. Charming.
Children, eh! I suspect we've all been there, in one way or another.
If you can ask your parents; were you a little whatsit at any time?
Took my wife out to lunch today for her birthday with the family. Unfortunately, there was a moment my 3 year old son bolted off down the restaurant, whilst she was in the loo with my daughter, and I had to run after him to rescue him, but not before he'd climbed onto the bench on the table next to a couple eating. Never had this before but they were very rude about it, "Do you mind? We're trying to eat here." and then commented on my inability to keep my child under control. I must admit I was fuming for most of the rest of the meal, until my wife calmed me down.
Yes, they were triple-lockers. Charming.
Young kids are annoying by nature, but reasonable people give them (and their parents) a pass on the first incident at least. People are such bloody snowflakes thesedays.
Yes, it simply wouldn't happen in Greece or Spain but we often don't tolerate children here.
Strangely, we seem perfectly happy to make almost any exception for dogs.
Took my wife out to lunch today for her birthday with the family. Unfortunately, there was a moment my 3 year old son bolted off down the restaurant, whilst she was in the loo with my daughter, and I had to run after him to rescue him, but not before he'd climbed onto the bench on the table next to a couple eating. Never had this before but they were very rude about it, "Do you mind? We're trying to eat here." and then commented on my inability to keep my child under control. I must admit I was fuming for most of the rest of the meal, until my wife calmed me down.
Yes, they were triple-lockers. Charming.
Should have told them to mind their manners as you're trying to bring up your son properly.
Took my wife out to lunch today for her birthday with the family. Unfortunately, there was a moment my 3 year old son bolted off down the restaurant, whilst she was in the loo with my daughter, and I had to run after him to rescue him, but not before he'd climbed onto the bench on the table next to a couple eating. Never had this before but they were very rude about it, "Do you mind? We're trying to eat here." and then commented on my inability to keep my child under control. I must admit I was fuming for most of the rest of the meal, until my wife calmed me down.
Yes, they were triple-lockers. Charming.
Young kids are annoying by nature, but reasonable people give them (and their parents) a pass on the first incident at least. People are such bloody snowflakes thesedays.
Yes, it simply wouldn't happen in Greece or Spain but we often don't tolerate children here.
Strangely, we seem perfectly happy to make almost any exception for dogs.
"Oh, he's such a sweetie. No, it's my fault my leg got caught in his teeth".
Took my wife out to lunch today for her birthday with the family. Unfortunately, there was a moment my 3 year old son bolted off down the restaurant, whilst she was in the loo with my daughter, and I had to run after him to rescue him, but not before he'd climbed onto the bench on the table next to a couple eating. Never had this before but they were very rude about it, "Do you mind? We're trying to eat here." and then commented on my inability to keep my child under control. I must admit I was fuming for most of the rest of the meal, until my wife calmed me down.
Yes, they were triple-lockers. Charming.
Should have told them to mind their manners as you're trying to bring up your son properly.
Experiences like this almost make me want to cheer on a radical ephebocracy that strips them of their pensions, bus passes, bed-blocking homes, tax breaks, and whacks full NI on them.
They really are the most self-centered and entitled generation ever.
Took my wife out to lunch today for her birthday with the family. Unfortunately, there was a moment my 3 year old son bolted off down the restaurant, whilst she was in the loo with my daughter, and I had to run after him to rescue him, but not before he'd climbed onto the bench on the table next to a couple eating. Never had this before but they were very rude about it, "Do you mind? We're trying to eat here." and then commented on my inability to keep my child under control. I must admit I was fuming for most of the rest of the meal, until my wife calmed me down.
Yes, they were triple-lockers. Charming.
Young kids are annoying by nature, but reasonable people give them (and their parents) a pass on the first incident at least. People are such bloody snowflakes thesedays.
Yes, it simply wouldn't happen in Greece or Spain but we often don't tolerate children here.
Strangely, we seem perfectly happy to make almost any exception for dogs.
Try holding a door open - remarkably few people say thank you. I don't know whether it's entitlement or social anxiety, but something has gone a bit wrong if you can't appreciate someone from the next generation doing the polite thing.
I'm just grateful I don't work in retail. Some of the young people working over Christmas looked like they needed a big hug. Those "we don't tolerate abuse" posters are up there for a reason and I don't envy my former colleagues who have to tread the fine line between protecting their staff and being on the receiving end of a 1-star review.
Took my wife out to lunch today for her birthday with the family. Unfortunately, there was a moment my 3 year old son bolted off down the restaurant, whilst she was in the loo with my daughter, and I had to run after him to rescue him, but not before he'd climbed onto the bench on the table next to a couple eating. Never had this before but they were very rude about it, "Do you mind? We're trying to eat here." and then commented on my inability to keep my child under control. I must admit I was fuming for most of the rest of the meal, until my wife calmed me down.
Yes, they were triple-lockers. Charming.
Should have told them to mind their manners as you're trying to bring up your son properly.
Experiences like this almost make me want to cheer on a radical ephebocracy that strips them of their pensions, bus passes, bed-blocking homes, tax breaks, and whacks full NI on them.
They really are the most self-centered and entitled generation ever.
No excuse for being rude. Least of all to a child.
Took my wife out to lunch today for her birthday with the family. Unfortunately, there was a moment my 3 year old son bolted off down the restaurant, whilst she was in the loo with my daughter, and I had to run after him to rescue him, but not before he'd climbed onto the bench on the table next to a couple eating. Never had this before but they were very rude about it, "Do you mind? We're trying to eat here." and then commented on my inability to keep my child under control. I must admit I was fuming for most of the rest of the meal, until my wife calmed me down.
Yes, they were triple-lockers. Charming.
Young kids are annoying by nature, but reasonable people give them (and their parents) a pass on the first incident at least. People are such bloody snowflakes thesedays.
Yes, it simply wouldn't happen in Greece or Spain but we often don't tolerate children here.
Strangely, we seem perfectly happy to make almost any exception for dogs.
Try holding a door open - remarkably few people say thank you. I don't know whether it's entitlement or social anxiety, but something has gone a bit wrong if you can't appreciate someone from the next generation doing the polite thing.
I'm just grateful I don't work in retail. Some of the young people working over Christmas looked like they needed a big hug. Those "we don't tolerate abuse" posters are up there for a reason.
My dad gets very sarky with staff coming by asking if we need anything or when they wish happy new year or something. I try to always respond in such cases, as they're just doing what they are told, in order to provide friendly service (even if it is 'customer service' friendliness), so no need to make it harder on the poor buggers than needed.
Took my wife out to lunch today for her birthday with the family. Unfortunately, there was a moment my 3 year old son bolted off down the restaurant, whilst she was in the loo with my daughter, and I had to run after him to rescue him, but not before he'd climbed onto the bench on the table next to a couple eating. Never had this before but they were very rude about it, "Do you mind? We're trying to eat here." and then commented on my inability to keep my child under control. I must admit I was fuming for most of the rest of the meal, until my wife calmed me down.
Yes, they were triple-lockers. Charming.
Should have told them to mind their manners as you're trying to bring up your son properly.
"My son is three, what's your excuse for acting like a bratty child as well?"
What many a parent will wish they could have said.
Took my wife out to lunch today for her birthday with the family. Unfortunately, there was a moment my 3 year old son bolted off down the restaurant, whilst she was in the loo with my daughter, and I had to run after him to rescue him, but not before he'd climbed onto the bench on the table next to a couple eating. Never had this before but they were very rude about it, "Do you mind? We're trying to eat here." and then commented on my inability to keep my child under control. I must admit I was fuming for most of the rest of the meal, until my wife calmed me down.
Yes, they were triple-lockers. Charming.
Young kids are annoying by nature, but reasonable people give them (and their parents) a pass on the first incident at least. People are such bloody snowflakes thesedays.
Yes, it simply wouldn't happen in Greece or Spain but we often don't tolerate children here.
Strangely, we seem perfectly happy to make almost any exception for dogs.
Try holding a door open - remarkably few people say thank you. I don't know whether it's entitlement or social anxiety, but something has gone a bit wrong if you can't appreciate someone from the next generation doing the polite thing.
I'm just grateful I don't work in retail. Some of the young people working over Christmas looked like they needed a big hug. Those "we don't tolerate abuse" posters are up there for a reason and I don't envy my former colleagues who have to tread the fine line between protecting their staff and being on the receiving end of a 1-star review.
Yes, I see those "we don't tolerate abuse" posters everywhere now.
My half-sister worked in Peacocks for a while recently as a retail assistant but quit after a few months because she said a remarkable number of people were rude to her.
It's this kind of arrogance that will do for the liberal elite.
You're assuming that because GB News has mentioned something that must be why it has got salience? Have you considered that maybe people were criticising the BBC and THEN GB News (unsurprisingly as a rival broadcaster) picked up on it?
The only person I quoted was Simon Schama who so far as I know has never appeared on GB News. Ultimately that TV channel is just a useful scapegoat for a certain elite opinion that can no longer accept criticism. There are too many young people at BBC news who've had their minds polluted with postcolonial bullshit. The protests in Iran don't really register with them. It's not a conspiracy or pro Ayatollah mentality just a blind spot. The protests deserved greater prominence and a better national broadcaster would have done that.
One thing I would say is that western leaders have remarkably silent on the whole thing.
No, I'm speculating why you popped up aggressively crapping on the BBC for its lack of coverage, which AFAICS isn't wildly different from most other English language media.
Took my wife out to lunch today for her birthday with the family. Unfortunately, there was a moment my 3 year old son bolted off down the restaurant, whilst she was in the loo with my daughter, and I had to run after him to rescue him, but not before he'd climbed onto the bench on the table next to a couple eating. Never had this before but they were very rude about it, "Do you mind? We're trying to eat here." and then commented on my inability to keep my child under control. I must admit I was fuming for most of the rest of the meal, until my wife calmed me down.
Yes, they were triple-lockers. Charming.
Should have told them to mind their manners as you're trying to bring up your son properly.
Experiences like this almost make me want to cheer on a radical ephebocracy that strips them of their pensions, bus passes, bed-blocking homes, tax breaks, and whacks full NI on them.
They really are the most self-centered and entitled generation ever.
Well they are entitled to eat the meal they have paid for without being disturbed, even if I have some sympathy in the sense you cannot keep an eye on your children every second.
The boomers are also handing on bigger inheritances to the next generation than ever before and paid in all their working lives for their state pension and also do much of the voluntary work that keeps community activities going, so I dispute the idea they are so self centred.
Took my wife out to lunch today for her birthday with the family. Unfortunately, there was a moment my 3 year old son bolted off down the restaurant, whilst she was in the loo with my daughter, and I had to run after him to rescue him, but not before he'd climbed onto the bench on the table next to a couple eating. Never had this before but they were very rude about it, "Do you mind? We're trying to eat here." and then commented on my inability to keep my child under control. I must admit I was fuming for most of the rest of the meal, until my wife calmed me down.
Yes, they were triple-lockers. Charming.
Should have told them to mind their manners as you're trying to bring up your son properly.
"My son is three, what's your excuse for acting like a bratty child as well?"
What many a parent will wish they could have said.
Brilliant. The thing is, you think of these things hours later. What you could have said.
When someone is rude to you in real life you don't expect it, because it's quite rare, so your first reaction is one of shock and surprise.
Taking a quick look at the BBC Iran coverage, they don't seem to know what's going on there. I suspect a lack of a definitive story to report is what's driven their coverage so far rather than a cover up. Unlike a certain other "broadcaster" the BBC isn't in the business of inventing news
Again, AFAICS, news organisations haven't changed much over the years in this respect. They wait for the really big stories to be confirmed before giving them the full headline treatment. It's rather that online social media makes them look a lot slower than they were. In the past we just didn't have the same comparator.
Took my wife out to lunch today for her birthday with the family. Unfortunately, there was a moment my 3 year old son bolted off down the restaurant, whilst she was in the loo with my daughter, and I had to run after him to rescue him, but not before he'd climbed onto the bench on the table next to a couple eating. Never had this before but they were very rude about it, "Do you mind? We're trying to eat here." and then commented on my inability to keep my child under control. I must admit I was fuming for most of the rest of the meal, until my wife calmed me down.
Yes, they were triple-lockers. Charming.
Should have told them to mind their manners as you're trying to bring up your son properly.
Experiences like this almost make me want to cheer on a radical ephebocracy that strips them of their pensions, bus passes, bed-blocking homes, tax breaks, and whacks full NI on them.
They really are the most self-centered and entitled generation ever.
Well they are entitled to eat the meal they have paid for without being disturbed, even if I have some sympathy in the sense you cannot keep an eye on your children every second.
The boomers are also handing on bigger inheritances to the next generation than ever before and paid in all their working lives for their state pension and also do much of the voluntary work that keeps community activities going, so I dispute the idea they are so self centred.
Ah, the boomer defence force is activated.
Yes, people can get annoyed at being disturbed, no one has said otherwise so a classic swerve there, the issue was how they chose to react to that annoyance, and how big a deal the annoyance was - repeated interruptions would justify more than one toddler getting away for a seocnd for example.
And I'd say forever parroting how people should be grateful and how they worked so hard is a classic sign of self centredness. It's good most don't do that.
I'm sure I shall be similar when I reach that age as well, it is a generational thing, but having worked and lived for years entitles people to respect, sure, but not to justify being a rude arse. And a majority do not think it does, but some definitely do.
Also, since I'm not being handed down any inheritance from my forebears, by your logic do they deserve respect?
It's this kind of arrogance that will do for the liberal elite.
You're assuming that because GB News has mentioned something that must be why it has got salience? Have you considered that maybe people were criticising the BBC and THEN GB News (unsurprisingly as a rival broadcaster) picked up on it?
The only person I quoted was Simon Schama who so far as I know has never appeared on GB News. Ultimately that TV channel is just a useful scapegoat for a certain elite opinion that can no longer accept criticism. There are too many young people at BBC news who've had their minds polluted with postcolonial bullshit. The protests in Iran don't really register with them. It's not a conspiracy or pro Ayatollah mentality just a blind spot. The protests deserved greater prominence and a better national broadcaster would have done that.
One thing I would say is that western leaders have remarkably silent on the whole thing.
No, I'm speculating why you popped up aggressively crapping on the BBC for its lack of coverage, which AFAICS isn't wildly different from most other English language media.
And GB News certainly has an anti Beeb agenda.
I hope they don't moan endlessly about the 'mainstream' media. Fox news would always do that despite very obviously being mainstream media for tens of millions. GB news is new, but as I've seen from some of their presenters like Tom Harwood, apparently they are doing pretty well, so are pretty mainstream themselves already.
Took my wife out to lunch today for her birthday with the family. Unfortunately, there was a moment my 3 year old son bolted off down the restaurant, whilst she was in the loo with my daughter, and I had to run after him to rescue him, but not before he'd climbed onto the bench on the table next to a couple eating. Never had this before but they were very rude about it, "Do you mind? We're trying to eat here." and then commented on my inability to keep my child under control. I must admit I was fuming for most of the rest of the meal, until my wife calmed me down.
Yes, they were triple-lockers. Charming.
Young kids are annoying by nature, but reasonable people give them (and their parents) a pass on the first incident at least. People are such bloody snowflakes thesedays.
Yes, it simply wouldn't happen in Greece or Spain but we often don't tolerate children here.
Strangely, we seem perfectly happy to make almost any exception for dogs.
Try holding a door open - remarkably few people say thank you. I don't know whether it's entitlement or social anxiety, but something has gone a bit wrong if you can't appreciate someone from the next generation doing the polite thing.
I'm just grateful I don't work in retail. Some of the young people working over Christmas looked like they needed a big hug. Those "we don't tolerate abuse" posters are up there for a reason.
My dad gets very sarky with staff coming by asking if we need anything or when they wish happy new year or something. I try to always respond in such cases, as they're just doing what they are told, in order to provide friendly service (even if it is 'customer service' friendliness), so no need to make it harder on the poor buggers than needed.
"I'm fine thanks!" with a smile - and a sigh of relief for both parties. And don't hang about at the till - exchange pleasantries and scoot so they can take a moment before the next customer.
Otoh, I really like the "talking tills" at some supermarkets that allow the staff and customers that do want a chat get an opportunity to do so. I tried one out last month and haven't smiled so much in ages - she could talk for Scotland and I got some good cooking advice.
BF have a 'UK local elections' market. I don't understand the terms of it though.
They say: "This market will resolve according to the party whose official candidates win the most head of local government (Mayor or Governor) elections for UK local governments during those elections occurring on May 7th (listed below)."
Does anyone understand this? (The listed below bit is just a list of the elections happening)
Took my wife out to lunch today for her birthday with the family. Unfortunately, there was a moment my 3 year old son bolted off down the restaurant, whilst she was in the loo with my daughter, and I had to run after him to rescue him, but not before he'd climbed onto the bench on the table next to a couple eating. Never had this before but they were very rude about it, "Do you mind? We're trying to eat here." and then commented on my inability to keep my child under control. I must admit I was fuming for most of the rest of the meal, until my wife calmed me down.
Yes, they were triple-lockers. Charming.
Should have told them to mind their manners as you're trying to bring up your son properly.
Experiences like this almost make me want to cheer on a radical ephebocracy that strips them of their pensions, bus passes, bed-blocking homes, tax breaks, and whacks full NI on them.
They really are the most self-centered and entitled generation ever.
Well they are entitled to eat the meal they have paid for without being disturbed, even if I have some sympathy in the sense you cannot keep an eye on your children every second.
The boomers are also handing on bigger inheritances to the next generation than ever before and paid in all their working lives for their state pension and also do much of the voluntary work that keeps community activities going, so I dispute the idea they are so self centred.
Ah, the boomer defence force is activated.
Yes, people can get annoyed at being disturbed, no one has said otherwise so a classic swerve there, the issue was how they chose to react to that annoyance.
And I'd say forever parroting how people should be grateful and how they worked so hard is a classic sign of self centredness.
I'm sure I shall be similar when I reach that age as well, it is a generational thing, but having worked and lived for years entitles people to respect, sure, but not to justify being a rude arse. And a majority do not think it does, but some definitely do.
Also, since I'm not being handed down any inheritance from my forebears, by your logic do they deserve respect?
Well if you don't say your annoyed how are you supposed to express it? In an ideal world parents would keep their children under control so they didn't go wandering off to the other side of the restaurant and disturbing other paying diners. However as I said in this circumstance Casino also had his wife with their daughter in the loo and in the real world it is difficult to keep an eye on children all the time.
I also highly doubt you are not getting any inheritance, even if your parents didn't leave you any share of their house, which would be unusal in itself, I am sure they will leave you a piece of jewellery, a watch, a painting etc
Taking a quick look at the BBC Iran coverage, they don't seem to know what's going on there. I suspect a lack of a definitive story to report is what's driven their coverage so far rather than a cover up. Unlike a certain other "broadcaster" the BBC isn't in the business of inventing news
I'd imagine that the BBC have a pretty good network of people that would provide some token soundings. So perhaps the picture is quite unclear to the average man on the Iranian street too.
Whatever the outcome, I hope for the Iranians that its a good one. They're very nice people.
Can’t see it to be honest.
Either they get the theocracy for another decade or a blood bath with a Israeli/American bombing campaign and puppet authoritarian.
It's this kind of arrogance that will do for the liberal elite.
You're assuming that because GB News has mentioned something that must be why it has got salience? Have you considered that maybe people were criticising the BBC and THEN GB News (unsurprisingly as a rival broadcaster) picked up on it?
The only person I quoted was Simon Schama who so far as I know has never appeared on GB News. Ultimately that TV channel is just a useful scapegoat for a certain elite opinion that can no longer accept criticism. There are too many young people at BBC news who've had their minds polluted with postcolonial bullshit. The protests in Iran don't really register with them. It's not a conspiracy or pro Ayatollah mentality just a blind spot. The protests deserved greater prominence and a better national broadcaster would have done that.
One thing I would say is that western leaders have remarkably silent on the whole thing.
No, I'm speculating why you popped up aggressively crapping on the BBC for its lack of coverage, which AFAICS isn't wildly different from most other English language media.
And GB News certainly has an anti Beeb agenda.
I hope they don't moan endlessly about the 'mainstream' media. Fox news would always do that despite very obviously being mainstream media for tens of millions. GB news is new, but as I've seen from some of their presenters like Tom Harwood, apparently they are doing pretty well, so are pretty mainstream themselves already.
Tom Harwood is good as is Portillo on Sundays, there are a range of presenters on GB news not all populist Farage loving ranters
Took my wife out to lunch today for her birthday with the family. Unfortunately, there was a moment my 3 year old son bolted off down the restaurant, whilst she was in the loo with my daughter, and I had to run after him to rescue him, but not before he'd climbed onto the bench on the table next to a couple eating. Never had this before but they were very rude about it, "Do you mind? We're trying to eat here." and then commented on my inability to keep my child under control. I must admit I was fuming for most of the rest of the meal, until my wife calmed me down.
Yes, they were triple-lockers. Charming.
Should have told them to mind their manners as you're trying to bring up your son properly.
"My son is three, what's your excuse for acting like a bratty child as well?"
What many a parent will wish they could have said.
Brilliant. The thing is, you think of these things hours later. What you could have said.
When someone is rude to you in real life you don't expect it, because it's quite rare, so your first reaction is one of shock and surprise.
That is so, and then if you do think of something you probably have more to lose by responding in kind, so you don't do it. Which makes the odd occasion you feel able to and have the opportunity to all the more satisfying.
I recall once incident where someone was very angry and rude over the phone to me, they kept interrupting before I could provide answers to any questions (usually the interruption was about how no one would provide an answer), and I just absorbed it, then after they went on an extended rant for about a minute and a half they stopped, and I said nothing. They sarcastically went 'And now silence?', and I felt justified in the moment in just pointing out that they had not asked any actual question in the last few minutes, so I was waiting for them to ask one before I could say something. I could sense the apoplexy through the phone line.
Took my wife out to lunch today for her birthday with the family. Unfortunately, there was a moment my 3 year old son bolted off down the restaurant, whilst she was in the loo with my daughter, and I had to run after him to rescue him, but not before he'd climbed onto the bench on the table next to a couple eating. Never had this before but they were very rude about it, "Do you mind? We're trying to eat here." and then commented on my inability to keep my child under control. I must admit I was fuming for most of the rest of the meal, until my wife calmed me down.
Yes, they were triple-lockers. Charming.
Should have told them to mind their manners as you're trying to bring up your son properly.
Experiences like this almost make me want to cheer on a radical ephebocracy that strips them of their pensions, bus passes, bed-blocking homes, tax breaks, and whacks full NI on them.
They really are the most self-centered and entitled generation ever.
Well they are entitled to eat the meal they have paid for without being disturbed, even if I have some sympathy in the sense you cannot keep an eye on your children every second.
The boomers are also handing on bigger inheritances to the next generation than ever before and paid in all their working lives for their state pension and also do much of the voluntary work that keeps community activities going, so I dispute the idea they are so self centred.
Ah, the boomer defence force is activated.
Yes, people can get annoyed at being disturbed, no one has said otherwise so a classic swerve there, the issue was how they chose to react to that annoyance.
And I'd say forever parroting how people should be grateful and how they worked so hard is a classic sign of self centredness.
I'm sure I shall be similar when I reach that age as well, it is a generational thing, but having worked and lived for years entitles people to respect, sure, but not to justify being a rude arse. And a majority do not think it does, but some definitely do.
Also, since I'm not being handed down any inheritance from my forebears, by your logic do they deserve respect?
Well if you don't say your annoyed how are you supposed to express it? In an ideal world parents would keep their children under control so they didn't go wandering off to the other side of the restaurant and disturbing other paying diners. However as I said in this circumstance Casino also had his wife with their daughter in the loo and in the real world it is difficult to keep an eye on children all the time.
I also highly doubt you are not getting any inheritance, even if your parents didn't leave you any share of their house, which would be unusal in itself, I am sure they will leave you a piece of jewellery, a watch, a painting etc
Children learn by exploring. Not by being kept "under control". They aren't animals.
GB News was set up to create right wing content for further propagation on social media. OFCOM are totally supine; they should not be able to use the “News” title.
Taking a quick look at the BBC Iran coverage, they don't seem to know what's going on there. I suspect a lack of a definitive story to report is what's driven their coverage so far rather than a cover up. Unlike a certain other "broadcaster" the BBC isn't in the business of inventing news
I'd imagine that the BBC have a pretty good network of people that would provide some token soundings. So perhaps the picture is quite unclear to the average man on the Iranian street too.
Whatever the outcome, I hope for the Iranians that its a good one. They're very nice people.
Can’t see it to be honest.
Either they get the theocracy for another decade or a blood bath with a Israeli/American bombing campaign and puppet authoritarian.
I'd agree. Their current regime is awful, but the regime of the Shah was pretty horrible for anyone who criticised the state too (perhaps worse).
However there is some hope just because they simply are a people that can and should get it right. Admittedly you can look at Iraq and say much the same.
Took my wife out to lunch today for her birthday with the family. Unfortunately, there was a moment my 3 year old son bolted off down the restaurant, whilst she was in the loo with my daughter, and I had to run after him to rescue him, but not before he'd climbed onto the bench on the table next to a couple eating. Never had this before but they were very rude about it, "Do you mind? We're trying to eat here." and then commented on my inability to keep my child under control. I must admit I was fuming for most of the rest of the meal, until my wife calmed me down.
Yes, they were triple-lockers. Charming.
Should have told them to mind their manners as you're trying to bring up your son properly.
Experiences like this almost make me want to cheer on a radical ephebocracy that strips them of their pensions, bus passes, bed-blocking homes, tax breaks, and whacks full NI on them.
They really are the most self-centered and entitled generation ever.
Well they are entitled to eat the meal they have paid for without being disturbed, even if I have some sympathy in the sense you cannot keep an eye on your children every second.
The boomers are also handing on bigger inheritances to the next generation than ever before and paid in all their working lives for their state pension and also do much of the voluntary work that keeps community activities going, so I dispute the idea they are so self centred.
Ah, the boomer defence force is activated.
Yes, people can get annoyed at being disturbed, no one has said otherwise so a classic swerve there, the issue was how they chose to react to that annoyance.
And I'd say forever parroting how people should be grateful and how they worked so hard is a classic sign of self centredness.
I'm sure I shall be similar when I reach that age as well, it is a generational thing, but having worked and lived for years entitles people to respect, sure, but not to justify being a rude arse. And a majority do not think it does, but some definitely do.
Also, since I'm not being handed down any inheritance from my forebears, by your logic do they deserve respect?
Well if you don't say your annoyed how are you supposed to express it? In an ideal world parents would keep their children under control so they didn't go wandering off to the other side of the restaurant and disturbing other paying diners. However as I said in this circumstance Casino also had his wife with their daughter in the loo and in the real world it is difficult to keep an eye on children all the time.
I also highly doubt you are not getting any inheritance, even if your parents didn't leave you any share of their house, which would be unusal in itself, I am sure they will leave you a piece of jewellery, a watch, a painting etc
Children learn by exploring. Not by being kept "under control". They aren't animals.
Yes, they explore in the garden, in woods, in parks, not in the middle of restaurants full of other paying diners
Took my wife out to lunch today for her birthday with the family. Unfortunately, there was a moment my 3 year old son bolted off down the restaurant, whilst she was in the loo with my daughter, and I had to run after him to rescue him, but not before he'd climbed onto the bench on the table next to a couple eating. Never had this before but they were very rude about it, "Do you mind? We're trying to eat here." and then commented on my inability to keep my child under control. I must admit I was fuming for most of the rest of the meal, until my wife calmed me down.
Yes, they were triple-lockers. Charming.
Should have told them to mind their manners as you're trying to bring up your son properly.
"My son is three, what's your excuse for acting like a bratty child as well?"
What many a parent will wish they could have said.
Brilliant. The thing is, you think of these things hours later. What you could have said.
When someone is rude to you in real life you don't expect it, because it's quite rare, so your first reaction is one of shock and surprise.
Took my wife out to lunch today for her birthday with the family. Unfortunately, there was a moment my 3 year old son bolted off down the restaurant, whilst she was in the loo with my daughter, and I had to run after him to rescue him, but not before he'd climbed onto the bench on the table next to a couple eating. Never had this before but they were very rude about it, "Do you mind? We're trying to eat here." and then commented on my inability to keep my child under control. I must admit I was fuming for most of the rest of the meal, until my wife calmed me down.
Yes, they were triple-lockers. Charming.
Should have told them to mind their manners as you're trying to bring up your son properly.
Experiences like this almost make me want to cheer on a radical ephebocracy that strips them of their pensions, bus passes, bed-blocking homes, tax breaks, and whacks full NI on them.
They really are the most self-centered and entitled generation ever.
My wife, who just joined the triple locked demographic, would have been charmed by the impromptu visit.
We don't have to vote Labour again either so we avoid most of that being repeated
First point is two thirds of those who voted did NOT vote Labour (such as thee and me I suspect) but the FPTP system delivered a huge landslide which raises an obvious question or two.
As for the Ovenden critique, what I'm struck by is not how much has changed under Starmer but how little. Not much of what he has said started on July 5th 2024 and indeed much of it was present under previous Conservative administrations.
One of the reasons I've never supported Labour is they are an authoritarian party - you only have to remember how Straw and Blunkett were as Home Secretaries and see how Mahmood fits comfortably into that role. The days of Roy Jenkins are long past but he oversaw the introduction of the Prevention of Terrorism Act in 1974 (albeit as a temporary measure).
Yet there's an authoritarianism in the electorate as well which responds to such ideas as restricting citizenship to your place of birth so the politics works.
I'm struggling with the Process State as espoused by @Malmesbury and others. I worked in local Government for a number of years - what I saw was less process than consultation. Decisions needed a lot of consultation - everyone wanted to be involved including the local Councillors as well as heads of other Services etc. That process also involved the formulaic production of reports to Cabinet or other forums and too much time was taken up on these.
There was also the notion consultation offered protection for all sides. The more people involved, the argument went, the less likely something would be missed or forgotten or not considered. I kept bumping up against the Star Trek argument, as I always called it, pace Spock - "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one". You could argue that's not a bad way to run a country or a city but the "few" will use all means necessary to frustrate this so do you close down the avenues of those protests? Do you simply say something has to happen because it's needed?
Problem with Process State as a critique is that you actually want effective process. There's no point reinventing the wheel each time if the process in place efficiently delivers the outcomes you want.
The questions should be (1) What's your policy? This implies making decisions. (2) What's the best process to deliver that policy?
The process is the policy. Thinking that a mere elected politician can impose his will on the process is populism.
I don't think the inertia is that bad, but I do think we are in an era where we simultaneously want politics to do a lot more, but also insist some things should be 'above' or 'beyond' politics, or that it would be wrong for politicians to be involved somehow, which is where we end up with unnecessary quangos being implied to be inviolable, or not trusting politicians to be the ones to make certain calls.
At its extreme people go so far as wanting politics cut out of it entirely with citizen assemblies et al, which whatever the merits one believes of them on, say, major moral questions, are not magical cures for a divided body politic.
Indeed, it is ok for us to be divided on some major issues, it is not a failing in itself, and expert evidence does need to be weighed up and big picture decisions made balancing competing factors - almost as though there's a reason we have politicians at all.
It’s also about privatisation. Certain functions, we expect to be done by the private sector, but they’re essential, so we need regulators overseeing them.
It’s good that both left and right have bought into the process state / stakeholder state critique of British governance (and by extension, the economy).
However nobody has a clear plan for what to do about it. “Setting fire to the ECHR”, “sacking all the DEI pen-pushers” etc may sound satisfying but they are not an actual answer.
GB News was set up to create right wing content for further propagation on social media. OFCOM are totally supine; they should not be able to use the “News” title.
Then neither should C4 News which is basically left liberal content most of the time
Took my wife out to lunch today for her birthday with the family. Unfortunately, there was a moment my 3 year old son bolted off down the restaurant, whilst she was in the loo with my daughter, and I had to run after him to rescue him, but not before he'd climbed onto the bench on the table next to a couple eating. Never had this before but they were very rude about it, "Do you mind? We're trying to eat here." and then commented on my inability to keep my child under control. I must admit I was fuming for most of the rest of the meal, until my wife calmed me down.
Yes, they were triple-lockers. Charming.
Should have told them to mind their manners as you're trying to bring up your son properly.
Experiences like this almost make me want to cheer on a radical ephebocracy that strips them of their pensions, bus passes, bed-blocking homes, tax breaks, and whacks full NI on them.
They really are the most self-centered and entitled generation ever.
Well they are entitled to eat the meal they have paid for without being disturbed, even if I have some sympathy in the sense you cannot keep an eye on your children every second.
The boomers are also handing on bigger inheritances to the next generation than ever before and paid in all their working lives for their state pension and also do much of the voluntary work that keeps community activities going, so I dispute the idea they are so self centred.
Ah, the boomer defence force is activated.
Yes, people can get annoyed at being disturbed, no one has said otherwise so a classic swerve there, the issue was how they chose to react to that annoyance.
And I'd say forever parroting how people should be grateful and how they worked so hard is a classic sign of self centredness.
I'm sure I shall be similar when I reach that age as well, it is a generational thing, but having worked and lived for years entitles people to respect, sure, but not to justify being a rude arse. And a majority do not think it does, but some definitely do.
Also, since I'm not being handed down any inheritance from my forebears, by your logic do they deserve respect?
Well if you don't say your annoyed how are you supposed to express it? In an ideal world parents would keep their children under control so they didn't go wandering off to the other side of the restaurant and disturbing other paying diners. However as I said in this circumstance Casino also had his wife with their daughter in the loo and in the real world it is difficult to keep an eye on children all the time.
I also highly doubt you are not getting any inheritance, even if your parents didn't leave you any share of their house, which would be unusal in itself, I am sure they will leave you a piece of jewellery, a watch, a painting etc
Children learn by exploring. Not by being kept "under control". They aren't animals.
Yes, they explore in the garden, in woods, in parks, not in the middle of restaurants full of other paying diners
GB News was set up to create right wing content for further propagation on social media. OFCOM are totally supine; they should not be able to use the “News” title.
Then neither should C4 News which is basically left liberal content most of the time
So far as I know, it conforms to Ofcom rules on providing balance. GBNews - like the Telegraph these days - simply makes shit up.
Took my wife out to lunch today for her birthday with the family. Unfortunately, there was a moment my 3 year old son bolted off down the restaurant, whilst she was in the loo with my daughter, and I had to run after him to rescue him, but not before he'd climbed onto the bench on the table next to a couple eating. Never had this before but they were very rude about it, "Do you mind? We're trying to eat here." and then commented on my inability to keep my child under control. I must admit I was fuming for most of the rest of the meal, until my wife calmed me down.
Yes, they were triple-lockers. Charming.
Did they not thank you for your contribution to their lifestyle of restaurants and cruises ?
My wife said they were clearly quite unhappy and very grumpy people.
I expect they are avid Daily Mail readers.
Grumpy old git Reading the Daily Mail
This is essentially a variant of the chicken and egg conundrum.
Trump causes the illness and then offers solutions to the crisis of his own making — solutions that only make the problem worse. I believe psychiatrists refer to this phenomenon "Munchausen by Nazi” (pardon my accent)
Took my wife out to lunch today for her birthday with the family. Unfortunately, there was a moment my 3 year old son bolted off down the restaurant, whilst she was in the loo with my daughter, and I had to run after him to rescue him, but not before he'd climbed onto the bench on the table next to a couple eating. Never had this before but they were very rude about it, "Do you mind? We're trying to eat here." and then commented on my inability to keep my child under control. I must admit I was fuming for most of the rest of the meal, until my wife calmed me down.
Yes, they were triple-lockers. Charming.
Some people are entitled twats.
Good manners cost nothing.
A few years ago a toddler wouldn't let me and my partner have our dinner in peace because she loved my partner's bright pink hair, she said she was beautiful and looked like a princess.
The parents kept on apologising and I cheered them up by telling them they've got nothing to apologise for and said the only thing that would upset me was if they chastised their daughter now or later.
The worst people are your type of couple who seem to be upset children are eating at restaurants near cinemas etc, I mean what do you expect.
This is why speaking multiple languages is useful, you can swear at them and they don't have a fucking clue.
'There has been some anger on social media about the silence of NGOs, most obviously Amnesty International. But Amnesty long ago stopped being an organisation focused on freedom and liberty and became instead one of the world’s most lavishly funded hard left campaigning groups. There are few clearer examples of the red-green alliance between the left and Islamists than Amnesty. The global left abandoned Iranians decades ago because challenging the regime meant challenging the alliance. Amnesty would no more stand with the Iranian protestors than it would stand with the victims of the Hamas massacre on October 7, 2023.'
OK, but you know that’s not actually true? I went to the Amnesty page and put Iran in the search box. Ta da: https://www.amnesty.org.uk/issues/iran There is plenty of coverage of Amnesty standing with Iranian protestors.
GB News was set up to create right wing content for further propagation on social media. OFCOM are totally supine; they should not be able to use the “News” title.
Then neither should C4 News which is basically left liberal content most of the time
That's like saying the Guardian is a left wing Express.
GB News was set up to create right wing content for further propagation on social media. OFCOM are totally supine; they should not be able to use the “News” title.
Then neither should C4 News which is basically left liberal content most of the time
So far as I know, it conforms to Ofcom rules on providing balance. GBNews - like the Telegraph these days - simply makes shit up.
Given most of its leftist news reports, it is basically the Guardian on TV nowadays, it is really just as aligned as GB news from the other side
Took my wife out to lunch today for her birthday with the family. Unfortunately, there was a moment my 3 year old son bolted off down the restaurant, whilst she was in the loo with my daughter, and I had to run after him to rescue him, but not before he'd climbed onto the bench on the table next to a couple eating. Never had this before but they were very rude about it, "Do you mind? We're trying to eat here." and then commented on my inability to keep my child under control. I must admit I was fuming for most of the rest of the meal, until my wife calmed me down.
Yes, they were triple-lockers. Charming.
Should have told them to mind their manners as you're trying to bring up your son properly.
Experiences like this almost make me want to cheer on a radical ephebocracy that strips them of their pensions, bus passes, bed-blocking homes, tax breaks, and whacks full NI on them.
They really are the most self-centered and entitled generation ever.
Well they are entitled to eat the meal they have paid for without being disturbed, even if I have some sympathy in the sense you cannot keep an eye on your children every second.
The boomers are also handing on bigger inheritances to the next generation than ever before and paid in all their working lives for their state pension and also do much of the voluntary work that keeps community activities going, so I dispute the idea they are so self centred.
Ah, the boomer defence force is activated.
Yes, people can get annoyed at being disturbed, no one has said otherwise so a classic swerve there, the issue was how they chose to react to that annoyance.
And I'd say forever parroting how people should be grateful and how they worked so hard is a classic sign of self centredness.
I'm sure I shall be similar when I reach that age as well, it is a generational thing, but having worked and lived for years entitles people to respect, sure, but not to justify being a rude arse. And a majority do not think it does, but some definitely do.
Also, since I'm not being handed down any inheritance from my forebears, by your logic do they deserve respect?
Well if you don't say your annoyed how are you supposed to express it? In an ideal world parents would keep their children under control so they didn't go wandering off to the other side of the restaurant and disturbing other paying diners. However as I said in this circumstance Casino also had his wife with their daughter in the loo and in the real world it is difficult to keep an eye on children all the time.
I also highly doubt you are not getting any inheritance, even if your parents didn't leave you any share of their house, which would be unusal in itself, I am sure they will leave you a piece of jewellery, a watch, a painting etc
Another classic swerve, you are on fire! Your reference to handing on 'bigger inheritances to the next generation than ever before' very clearly was making a point about the munificence of that generation, so your attempt to now define an 'inheritance' as at least being personal mementos as if you meant that is pretty funny - you didn't mean that, because your point was about how boomers are not self centred because how hard they work and how much they are passing on ie not just mementos.
As to how you express the annoyance as if it is difficult thing to know, that's a very silly question - if someone stands on my foot and I get justifiably annoyed I might say 'Get off my foot!" as a reaction, or I might express my annoyance by headbutting them in the face. Do I defend myself on the basis of 'how am I supposed to express my annoyance?'. (yes this is a deliberately extreme example to illustrate the point, no it doesn't invalidate the comparison).
No, cultural expectations set such things. For this one how about "I understand, but please keep a closer eye on him" (there's also the question of tone and attitude, as opposed to simple words).
Also, not to get too personal but since you think it would be unusual not to get a share of my parents' house, the reason I will get nothing is I have one living parent whom has to rent, and I help support them financially. That might well be unusual, but it is not that uncommon either for people to get nothing (except memories and mementos).
The BBC isn't covering Iran properly doesn't seem to be a GB News "exclusive" angle, the likes of Omid Djalili and Tom Tugendhat seems quite exercised by it on twitter, and in particular I highly doubt Omid Djalili is a big GB News viewer.
I personally didn't see any issue and haven't mentioned it one way or another (and I am hardly the BBC's biggest fan), but it does seem that some think they have misstepped in their coverage.
They have the Iran protests as one of their top stories on the website right now.
GB News was set up to create right wing content for further propagation on social media. OFCOM are totally supine; they should not be able to use the “News” title.
Then neither should C4 News which is basically left liberal content most of the time
That's like saying the Guardian is a left wing Express.
No, that is the Mirror, the Guardian is a left wing Telegraph
GB News was set up to create right wing content for further propagation on social media. OFCOM are totally supine; they should not be able to use the “News” title.
Then neither should C4 News which is basically left liberal content most of the time
That's like saying the Guardian is a left wing Express.
I laid Reform to win most seats at 2.06 a month or so ago, and would have thought I was in good shape considering the stories about Farage’s schooldays, but they’re 2.02 to lay now
The Farage schoolboy stories is interesting. The same people mortally offended by it go out of their way to defend the Anti British anti Semite our govt, the previous govt, the Lib Dem’s and greens went to bat for. He said sorry and he was 32 at the time. Makes it okay.
As for the Reform are Russian assets smear it looks like the Tories are on the receiving end now over Lord Wolfson defending Roman Abramovich.
Still we have the impartial review into foreign influence in UK politics the govt is carrying out. A thorough and forensic analysis which will take a couple of months and conveniently timed to come out before the locals in May,
I wonder what it will find and if it will be to labours advantage 🤔
Nobody as far as I know is asking that Farage be stripped of his British citizenship and deported, they're simply asking Farage to offer some credible response to the allegations. As far as I am aware the other chap has already apologized unreservedly for his comments, which is certainly a step in the right direction. My personal view is everyone should be accountable for what they say but nobody should be cancelled for it.
Unreservedly’, no, it was couched with caveats and he even used the Alf Garnett defence.
He was also an adult when he made the comments, some very inflammatory to a large online audience.
An apology make it all okay ?
Farage was a child.
For some of the time when the quotes originated, he was 17, older than Shamima Begum was when she 'went' to Syria.
And ?
I’ve never said I support her being stripped of citizenship
Farage never sewed people into suicide vests either or indulged in the support of a terrorist body.
Obviously niche, but I can recommend the podcast “Juggernaut” about NZ’s fourth Labour government (1984-1990).
What struck me was the ambition for change, driven by the Finance Minister Roger Douglas. NZ was (and is) unicameral, and also has no formal Constitution. It was also, in those days, an FPT system. The only real counterweight on “elective dictatorship” was the very short electoral cycle - just 3 years.
Took my wife out to lunch today for her birthday with the family. Unfortunately, there was a moment my 3 year old son bolted off down the restaurant, whilst she was in the loo with my daughter, and I had to run after him to rescue him, but not before he'd climbed onto the bench on the table next to a couple eating. Never had this before but they were very rude about it, "Do you mind? We're trying to eat here." and then commented on my inability to keep my child under control. I must admit I was fuming for most of the rest of the meal, until my wife calmed me down.
Yes, they were triple-lockers. Charming.
Should have told them to mind their manners as you're trying to bring up your son properly.
"My son is three, what's your excuse for acting like a bratty child as well?"
What many a parent will wish they could have said.
Brilliant. The thing is, you think of these things hours later. What you could have said.
When someone is rude to you in real life you don't expect it, because it's quite rare, so your first reaction is one of shock and surprise.
GB News was set up to create right wing content for further propagation on social media. OFCOM are totally supine; they should not be able to use the “News” title.
Then neither should C4 News which is basically left liberal content most of the time
Don't be ridiculous. GB News makes no attempt at impartial analysis.
GB News was set up to create right wing content for further propagation on social media. OFCOM are totally supine; they should not be able to use the “News” title.
Then neither should C4 News which is basically left liberal content most of the time
That's like saying the Guardian is a left wing Express.
No, that is the Mirror, the Guardian is a left wing Telegraph
Took my wife out to lunch today for her birthday with the family. Unfortunately, there was a moment my 3 year old son bolted off down the restaurant, whilst she was in the loo with my daughter, and I had to run after him to rescue him, but not before he'd climbed onto the bench on the table next to a couple eating. Never had this before but they were very rude about it, "Do you mind? We're trying to eat here." and then commented on my inability to keep my child under control. I must admit I was fuming for most of the rest of the meal, until my wife calmed me down.
Yes, they were triple-lockers. Charming.
Should have told them to mind their manners as you're trying to bring up your son properly.
Experiences like this almost make me want to cheer on a radical ephebocracy that strips them of their pensions, bus passes, bed-blocking homes, tax breaks, and whacks full NI on them.
They really are the most self-centered and entitled generation ever.
Well they are entitled to eat the meal they have paid for without being disturbed, even if I have some sympathy in the sense you cannot keep an eye on your children every second.
The boomers are also handing on bigger inheritances to the next generation than ever before and paid in all their working lives for their state pension and also do much of the voluntary work that keeps community activities going, so I dispute the idea they are so self centred.
Ah, the boomer defence force is activated.
Yes, people can get annoyed at being disturbed, no one has said otherwise so a classic swerve there, the issue was how they chose to react to that annoyance.
And I'd say forever parroting how people should be grateful and how they worked so hard is a classic sign of self centredness.
I'm sure I shall be similar when I reach that age as well, it is a generational thing, but having worked and lived for years entitles people to respect, sure, but not to justify being a rude arse. And a majority do not think it does, but some definitely do.
Also, since I'm not being handed down any inheritance from my forebears, by your logic do they deserve respect?
Well if you don't say your annoyed how are you supposed to express it? In an ideal world parents would keep their children under control so they didn't go wandering off to the other side of the restaurant and disturbing other paying diners. However as I said in this circumstance Casino also had his wife with their daughter in the loo and in the real world it is difficult to keep an eye on children all the time.
I also highly doubt you are not getting any inheritance, even if your parents didn't leave you any share of their house, which would be unusal in itself, I am sure they will leave you a piece of jewellery, a watch, a painting etc
Another classic swerve, you are on fire! Your reference to handing on 'bigger inheritances to the next generation than ever before' very clearly was making a point about the munificence of that generation, so your attempt to now define an 'inheritance' as at least being personal mementos as if you meant that is pretty funny - you didn't mean that, because your point was about how boomers are not self centred because how hard they work and how much they are passing on ie not just memontos.
As to how you express the annoyance as if it is difficult thing to know, that's a very silly question - if someone stands on my foot and I get justifiably annoyed I might say 'Get off my foot!" as a reaction, or I might express my annoyance by headbutting them in the face. Do I defend myself on the basis of 'how am I supposed to express my annoyance?'.
No, cultural expectations set such things. For this one how about "I understand, but please keep a closer eye on him" (there's also the question of tone and attitude, as opposed to simple words).
You literally said 'since I'm not being handed down any inheritance from my forebears' ie none, nada not even a memento. On average 'The value of inheritances (adjusted for inflation) passed on annually in the UK has doubled roughly every twenty years since 1979 and, according to analysis by the Resolution Foundation, is expected to double again in England by 2040.
According to modelling by the Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS), a typical (median) UK household led by people born in the 1980s is expected to inherit almost £250,000 throughout their lives (in 2018/19 prices). That is equivalent to how much such a household would earn, on average, in almost eight years. A typical household led by those born in the 1960s, in contrast, is expected to inherit an amount worth just four years of their average annual earnings.' https://demos.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/inheritance-done-2.pdf
Took my wife out to lunch today for her birthday with the family. Unfortunately, there was a moment my 3 year old son bolted off down the restaurant, whilst she was in the loo with my daughter, and I had to run after him to rescue him, but not before he'd climbed onto the bench on the table next to a couple eating. Never had this before but they were very rude about it, "Do you mind? We're trying to eat here." and then commented on my inability to keep my child under control. I must admit I was fuming for most of the rest of the meal, until my wife calmed me down.
Yes, they were triple-lockers. Charming.
Did they not thank you for your contribution to their lifestyle of restaurants and cruises ?
My wife said they were clearly quite unhappy and very grumpy people.
I expect they are avid Daily Mail readers.
Grumpy old git Reading the Daily Mail
This is essentially a variant of the chicken and egg conundrum.
Obviously niche, but I can recommend the podcast “Juggernaut” about NZ’s fourth Labour government (1984-1990).
What struck me was the ambition for change, driven by the Finance Minister Roger Douglas. NZ was (and is) unicameral, and also has no formal Constitution. It was also, in those days, an FPT system. The only real counterweight on “elective dictatorship” was the very short electoral cycle - just 3 years.
Anyway, the contrast with Starmer makes you weep.
Three year electoral cycles, even as a lover of elections that would drive me barmy.
GB News was set up to create right wing content for further propagation on social media. OFCOM are totally supine; they should not be able to use the “News” title.
Then neither should C4 News which is basically left liberal content most of the time
Don't be ridiculous. GB News makes no attempt at impartial analysis.
Neither does C4 news really, there are Labour commentators on GB news and Tory and Reform commentators as guests on C4 news, however the tone of both news broadcasters is clearly left liberal or right
'There has been some anger on social media about the silence of NGOs, most obviously Amnesty International. But Amnesty long ago stopped being an organisation focused on freedom and liberty and became instead one of the world’s most lavishly funded hard left campaigning groups. There are few clearer examples of the red-green alliance between the left and Islamists than Amnesty. The global left abandoned Iranians decades ago because challenging the regime meant challenging the alliance. Amnesty would no more stand with the Iranian protestors than it would stand with the victims of the Hamas massacre on October 7, 2023.'
Instead of littering the site with articles by the hopelessly bigoted Stephen Pollard watch this rather beautiful animation 'The Boy the Mole The Fox and the Horse'. It won't make the Pollards of this world disappear but it might point you in a less bitter direction.
Took my wife out to lunch today for her birthday with the family. Unfortunately, there was a moment my 3 year old son bolted off down the restaurant, whilst she was in the loo with my daughter, and I had to run after him to rescue him, but not before he'd climbed onto the bench on the table next to a couple eating. Never had this before but they were very rude about it, "Do you mind? We're trying to eat here." and then commented on my inability to keep my child under control. I must admit I was fuming for most of the rest of the meal, until my wife calmed me down.
Yes, they were triple-lockers. Charming.
Should have told them to mind their manners as you're trying to bring up your son properly.
Experiences like this almost make me want to cheer on a radical ephebocracy that strips them of their pensions, bus passes, bed-blocking homes, tax breaks, and whacks full NI on them.
They really are the most self-centered and entitled generation ever.
Well they are entitled to eat the meal they have paid for without being disturbed, even if I have some sympathy in the sense you cannot keep an eye on your children every second.
The boomers are also handing on bigger inheritances to the next generation than ever before and paid in all their working lives for their state pension and also do much of the voluntary work that keeps community activities going, so I dispute the idea they are so self centred.
Ah, the boomer defence force is activated.
Yes, people can get annoyed at being disturbed, no one has said otherwise so a classic swerve there, the issue was how they chose to react to that annoyance.
And I'd say forever parroting how people should be grateful and how they worked so hard is a classic sign of self centredness.
I'm sure I shall be similar when I reach that age as well, it is a generational thing, but having worked and lived for years entitles people to respect, sure, but not to justify being a rude arse. And a majority do not think it does, but some definitely do.
Also, since I'm not being handed down any inheritance from my forebears, by your logic do they deserve respect?
Well if you don't say your annoyed how are you supposed to express it? In an ideal world parents would keep their children under control so they didn't go wandering off to the other side of the restaurant and disturbing other paying diners. However as I said in this circumstance Casino also had his wife with their daughter in the loo and in the real world it is difficult to keep an eye on children all the time.
I also highly doubt you are not getting any inheritance, even if your parents didn't leave you any share of their house, which would be unusal in itself, I am sure they will leave you a piece of jewellery, a watch, a painting etc
Children learn by exploring. Not by being kept "under control". They aren't animals.
Yes, they explore in the garden, in woods, in parks, not in the middle of restaurants full of other paying diners
And yet restaurant diners in other countries manage that fine.
One of the main ways we learn, and not just as children, is by making mistakes. The art of living is to give just enough feedback that "no Casino Jr, it's polite to play quietly here". But that takes time.
It also depends on all of us, especially those of us with the advantages of maturity and no children, not acting like children themselves. Which an awful lot of generation boomer, smarting at not getting their way for about the first time ever, are failing at.
Took my wife out to lunch today for her birthday with the family. Unfortunately, there was a moment my 3 year old son bolted off down the restaurant, whilst she was in the loo with my daughter, and I had to run after him to rescue him, but not before he'd climbed onto the bench on the table next to a couple eating. Never had this before but they were very rude about it, "Do you mind? We're trying to eat here." and then commented on my inability to keep my child under control. I must admit I was fuming for most of the rest of the meal, until my wife calmed me down.
Yes, they were triple-lockers. Charming.
Should have told them to mind their manners as you're trying to bring up your son properly.
"My son is three, what's your excuse for acting like a bratty child as well?"
What many a parent will wish they could have said.
Brilliant. The thing is, you think of these things hours later. What you could have said.
When someone is rude to you in real life you don't expect it, because it's quite rare, so your first reaction is one of shock and surprise.
L’esprit d’escalier
I specialise in that. The trick is to make a note, for future off the cuff use.
GB News was set up to create right wing content for further propagation on social media. OFCOM are totally supine; they should not be able to use the “News” title.
Then neither should C4 News which is basically left liberal content most of the time
Don't be ridiculous. GB News makes no attempt at impartial analysis.
Neither does C4 news really, there are Labour commentators on GB news and Tory and Reform commentators as guests on C4 news, however the tone of both news broadcasters is clearly left liberal or right
I prefer even my partisan commentators to at least put on a pretence of objective analysis, but it can admittedly just be dishonest, and the trend in most places is clearly to just nail your colours to the mast on overall tone, even if you provide some balancing voices.
Took my wife out to lunch today for her birthday with the family. Unfortunately, there was a moment my 3 year old son bolted off down the restaurant, whilst she was in the loo with my daughter, and I had to run after him to rescue him, but not before he'd climbed onto the bench on the table next to a couple eating. Never had this before but they were very rude about it, "Do you mind? We're trying to eat here." and then commented on my inability to keep my child under control. I must admit I was fuming for most of the rest of the meal, until my wife calmed me down.
Yes, they were triple-lockers. Charming.
Should have told them to mind their manners as you're trying to bring up your son properly.
Experiences like this almost make me want to cheer on a radical ephebocracy that strips them of their pensions, bus passes, bed-blocking homes, tax breaks, and whacks full NI on them.
They really are the most self-centered and entitled generation ever.
Well they are entitled to eat the meal they have paid for without being disturbed, even if I have some sympathy in the sense you cannot keep an eye on your children every second.
The boomers are also handing on bigger inheritances to the next generation than ever before and paid in all their working lives for their state pension and also do much of the voluntary work that keeps community activities going, so I dispute the idea they are so self centred.
Ah, the boomer defence force is activated.
Yes, people can get annoyed at being disturbed, no one has said otherwise so a classic swerve there, the issue was how they chose to react to that annoyance.
And I'd say forever parroting how people should be grateful and how they worked so hard is a classic sign of self centredness.
I'm sure I shall be similar when I reach that age as well, it is a generational thing, but having worked and lived for years entitles people to respect, sure, but not to justify being a rude arse. And a majority do not think it does, but some definitely do.
Also, since I'm not being handed down any inheritance from my forebears, by your logic do they deserve respect?
Well if you don't say your annoyed how are you supposed to express it? In an ideal world parents would keep their children under control so they didn't go wandering off to the other side of the restaurant and disturbing other paying diners. However as I said in this circumstance Casino also had his wife with their daughter in the loo and in the real world it is difficult to keep an eye on children all the time.
I also highly doubt you are not getting any inheritance, even if your parents didn't leave you any share of their house, which would be unusal in itself, I am sure they will leave you a piece of jewellery, a watch, a painting etc
Children learn by exploring. Not by being kept "under control". They aren't animals.
Yes, they explore in the garden, in woods, in parks, not in the middle of restaurants full of other paying diners
And yet restaurant diners in other countries manage that fine.
One of the main ways we learn, and not just as children, is by making mistakes. The art of living is to give just enough feedback that "no Casino Jr, it's polite to play quietly here". But that takes time.
It also depends on all of us, especially those of us with the advantages of maturity and no children, not acting like children themselves. Which an awful lot of generation boomer, smarting at not getting their way for about the first time ever, are failing at.
Do they? I don't remember lots of children crawling all over ours or neighbouring tables when dining out in France or Spain or Italy. Those nations like children but also expect parents to try and control and bring up well mannered children
Took my wife out to lunch today for her birthday with the family. Unfortunately, there was a moment my 3 year old son bolted off down the restaurant, whilst she was in the loo with my daughter, and I had to run after him to rescue him, but not before he'd climbed onto the bench on the table next to a couple eating. Never had this before but they were very rude about it, "Do you mind? We're trying to eat here." and then commented on my inability to keep my child under control. I must admit I was fuming for most of the rest of the meal, until my wife calmed me down.
Yes, they were triple-lockers. Charming.
Did they not thank you for your contribution to their lifestyle of restaurants and cruises ?
My wife said they were clearly quite unhappy and very grumpy people.
I expect they are avid Daily Mail readers.
Grumpy old git Reading the Daily Mail
This is essentially a variant of the chicken and egg conundrum.
I laid Reform to win most seats at 2.06 a month or so ago, and would have thought I was in good shape considering the stories about Farage’s schooldays, but they’re 2.02 to lay now
The Farage schoolboy stories is interesting. The same people mortally offended by it go out of their way to defend the Anti British anti Semite our govt, the previous govt, the Lib Dem’s and greens went to bat for. He said sorry and he was 32 at the time. Makes it okay.
As for the Reform are Russian assets smear it looks like the Tories are on the receiving end now over Lord Wolfson defending Roman Abramovich.
Still we have the impartial review into foreign influence in UK politics the govt is carrying out. A thorough and forensic analysis which will take a couple of months and conveniently timed to come out before the locals in May,
I wonder what it will find and if it will be to labours advantage 🤔
Nobody as far as I know is asking that Farage be stripped of his British citizenship and deported, they're simply asking Farage to offer some credible response to the allegations. As far as I am aware the other chap has already apologized unreservedly for his comments, which is certainly a step in the right direction. My personal view is everyone should be accountable for what they say but nobody should be cancelled for it.
Unreservedly’, no, it was couched with caveats and he even used the Alf Garnett defence.
He was also an adult when he made the comments, some very inflammatory to a large online audience.
An apology make it all okay ?
Farage was a child.
For some of the time when the quotes originated, he was 17, older than Shamima Begum was when she 'went' to Syria.
And ?
I’ve never said I support her being stripped of citizenship
Farage never sewed people into suicide vests either or indulged in the support of a terrorist body.
'There has been some anger on social media about the silence of NGOs, most obviously Amnesty International. But Amnesty long ago stopped being an organisation focused on freedom and liberty and became instead one of the world’s most lavishly funded hard left campaigning groups. There are few clearer examples of the red-green alliance between the left and Islamists than Amnesty. The global left abandoned Iranians decades ago because challenging the regime meant challenging the alliance. Amnesty would no more stand with the Iranian protestors than it would stand with the victims of the Hamas massacre on October 7, 2023.'
Instead of littering the site with articles by the hopelessly bigoted Stephen Pollard watch this rather beautiful animation 'The Boy the Mole The Fox and the Horse'. It won't make the Pollards of this world disappear but it might point you in a less bitter direction.
I speak for many, many educated people in this country who are sick and tired of the pandering to third-worldism that now seems to be the stock in trade of the Guardian, Channel 4 News, Sky and increasingly the BBC. You've done well financially by playing the global game. Some of us care about other things.
I laid Reform to win most seats at 2.06 a month or so ago, and would have thought I was in good shape considering the stories about Farage’s schooldays, but they’re 2.02 to lay now
The Farage schoolboy stories is interesting. The same people mortally offended by it go out of their way to defend the Anti British anti Semite our govt, the previous govt, the Lib Dem’s and greens went to bat for. He said sorry and he was 32 at the time. Makes it okay.
As for the Reform are Russian assets smear it looks like the Tories are on the receiving end now over Lord Wolfson defending Roman Abramovich.
Still we have the impartial review into foreign influence in UK politics the govt is carrying out. A thorough and forensic analysis which will take a couple of months and conveniently timed to come out before the locals in May,
I wonder what it will find and if it will be to labours advantage 🤔
Nobody as far as I know is asking that Farage be stripped of his British citizenship and deported, they're simply asking Farage to offer some credible response to the allegations. As far as I am aware the other chap has already apologized unreservedly for his comments, which is certainly a step in the right direction. My personal view is everyone should be accountable for what they say but nobody should be cancelled for it.
Unreservedly’, no, it was couched with caveats and he even used the Alf Garnett defence.
He was also an adult when he made the comments, some very inflammatory to a large online audience.
An apology make it all okay ?
Farage was a child.
For some of the time when the quotes originated, he was 17, older than Shamima Begum was when she 'went' to Syria.
And ?
I’ve never said I support her being stripped of citizenship
Farage never sewed people into suicide vests either or indulged in the support of a terrorist body.
Took my wife out to lunch today for her birthday with the family. Unfortunately, there was a moment my 3 year old son bolted off down the restaurant, whilst she was in the loo with my daughter, and I had to run after him to rescue him, but not before he'd climbed onto the bench on the table next to a couple eating. Never had this before but they were very rude about it, "Do you mind? We're trying to eat here." and then commented on my inability to keep my child under control. I must admit I was fuming for most of the rest of the meal, until my wife calmed me down.
Yes, they were triple-lockers. Charming.
Should have told them to mind their manners as you're trying to bring up your son properly.
Experiences like this almost make me want to cheer on a radical ephebocracy that strips them of their pensions, bus passes, bed-blocking homes, tax breaks, and whacks full NI on them.
They really are the most self-centered and entitled generation ever.
My wife, who just joined the triple locked demographic, would have been charmed by the impromptu visit.
I have no doubt you and your wife would have been charming.
'There has been some anger on social media about the silence of NGOs, most obviously Amnesty International. But Amnesty long ago stopped being an organisation focused on freedom and liberty and became instead one of the world’s most lavishly funded hard left campaigning groups. There are few clearer examples of the red-green alliance between the left and Islamists than Amnesty. The global left abandoned Iranians decades ago because challenging the regime meant challenging the alliance. Amnesty would no more stand with the Iranian protestors than it would stand with the victims of the Hamas massacre on October 7, 2023.'
Instead of littering the site with articles by the hopelessly bigoted Stephen Pollard watch this rather beautiful animation 'The Boy the Mole The Fox and the Horse'. It won't make the Pollards of this world disappear but it might point you in a less bitter direction.
I speak for many, many educated people in this country who are sick and tired of the pandering to third-worldism that now seems to be the stock in trade of the Guardian, Channel 4 News, Sky and increasingly the BBC. You've done well financially by playing the global game. Some of us care about other things.
Are you really accusing a Jewish man of making money out of globalism?
'There has been some anger on social media about the silence of NGOs, most obviously Amnesty International. But Amnesty long ago stopped being an organisation focused on freedom and liberty and became instead one of the world’s most lavishly funded hard left campaigning groups. There are few clearer examples of the red-green alliance between the left and Islamists than Amnesty. The global left abandoned Iranians decades ago because challenging the regime meant challenging the alliance. Amnesty would no more stand with the Iranian protestors than it would stand with the victims of the Hamas massacre on October 7, 2023.'
Instead of littering the site with articles by the hopelessly bigoted Stephen Pollard watch this rather beautiful animation 'The Boy the Mole The Fox and the Horse'. It won't make the Pollards of this world disappear but it might point you in a less bitter direction.
I speak for many, many educated people in this country who are sick and tired of the pandering to third-worldism that now seems to be the stock in trade of the Guardian, Channel 4 News, Sky and increasingly the BBC. You've done well financially by playing the global game. Some of us care about other things.
I don’t know if he’s bigoted, but he was demonstrably wrong in his claim and clearly didn’t do even the simplest fact-checking, which rather suggests he’s not a good journalist.
Took my wife out to lunch today for her birthday with the family. Unfortunately, there was a moment my 3 year old son bolted off down the restaurant, whilst she was in the loo with my daughter, and I had to run after him to rescue him, but not before he'd climbed onto the bench on the table next to a couple eating. Never had this before but they were very rude about it, "Do you mind? We're trying to eat here." and then commented on my inability to keep my child under control. I must admit I was fuming for most of the rest of the meal, until my wife calmed me down.
Yes, they were triple-lockers. Charming.
Should have told them to mind their manners as you're trying to bring up your son properly.
Experiences like this almost make me want to cheer on a radical ephebocracy that strips them of their pensions, bus passes, bed-blocking homes, tax breaks, and whacks full NI on them.
They really are the most self-centered and entitled generation ever.
Well they are entitled to eat the meal they have paid for without being disturbed, even if I have some sympathy in the sense you cannot keep an eye on your children every second.
The boomers are also handing on bigger inheritances to the next generation than ever before and paid in all their working lives for their state pension and also do much of the voluntary work that keeps community activities going, so I dispute the idea they are so self centred.
Ah, the boomer defence force is activated.
Yes, people can get annoyed at being disturbed, no one has said otherwise so a classic swerve there, the issue was how they chose to react to that annoyance.
And I'd say forever parroting how people should be grateful and how they worked so hard is a classic sign of self centredness.
I'm sure I shall be similar when I reach that age as well, it is a generational thing, but having worked and lived for years entitles people to respect, sure, but not to justify being a rude arse. And a majority do not think it does, but some definitely do.
Also, since I'm not being handed down any inheritance from my forebears, by your logic do they deserve respect?
Well if you don't say your annoyed how are you supposed to express it? In an ideal world parents would keep their children under control so they didn't go wandering off to the other side of the restaurant and disturbing other paying diners. However as I said in this circumstance Casino also had his wife with their daughter in the loo and in the real world it is difficult to keep an eye on children all the time.
I also highly doubt you are not getting any inheritance, even if your parents didn't leave you any share of their house, which would be unusal in itself, I am sure they will leave you a piece of jewellery, a watch, a painting etc
Children learn by exploring. Not by being kept "under control". They aren't animals.
Yes, they explore in the garden, in woods, in parks, not in the middle of restaurants full of other paying diners
And yet restaurant diners in other countries manage that fine.
One of the main ways we learn, and not just as children, is by making mistakes. The art of living is to give just enough feedback that "no Casino Jr, it's polite to play quietly here". But that takes time.
It also depends on all of us, especially those of us with the advantages of maturity and no children, not acting like children themselves. Which an awful lot of generation boomer, smarting at not getting their way for about the first time ever, are failing at.
I don't think we should stereotype like that. The majority of pensioners of my acquaintance are absolutely fine with kids in restaurants.
Took my wife out to lunch today for her birthday with the family. Unfortunately, there was a moment my 3 year old son bolted off down the restaurant, whilst she was in the loo with my daughter, and I had to run after him to rescue him, but not before he'd climbed onto the bench on the table next to a couple eating. Never had this before but they were very rude about it, "Do you mind? We're trying to eat here." and then commented on my inability to keep my child under control. I must admit I was fuming for most of the rest of the meal, until my wife calmed me down.
Yes, they were triple-lockers. Charming.
Did they not thank you for your contribution to their lifestyle of restaurants and cruises ?
My wife said they were clearly quite unhappy and very grumpy people.
I expect they are avid Daily Mail readers.
Grumpy old git Reading the Daily Mail
This is essentially a variant of the chicken and egg conundrum.
Except that the egg obviously came first
But which is the egg? Mail or GOG?
If I knew, then it would be a chicken and egg question
I laid Reform to win most seats at 2.06 a month or so ago, and would have thought I was in good shape considering the stories about Farage’s schooldays, but they’re 2.02 to lay now
The Farage schoolboy stories is interesting. The same people mortally offended by it go out of their way to defend the Anti British anti Semite our govt, the previous govt, the Lib Dem’s and greens went to bat for. He said sorry and he was 32 at the time. Makes it okay.
As for the Reform are Russian assets smear it looks like the Tories are on the receiving end now over Lord Wolfson defending Roman Abramovich.
Still we have the impartial review into foreign influence in UK politics the govt is carrying out. A thorough and forensic analysis which will take a couple of months and conveniently timed to come out before the locals in May,
I wonder what it will find and if it will be to labours advantage 🤔
Nobody as far as I know is asking that Farage be stripped of his British citizenship and deported, they're simply asking Farage to offer some credible response to the allegations. As far as I am aware the other chap has already apologized unreservedly for his comments, which is certainly a step in the right direction. My personal view is everyone should be accountable for what they say but nobody should be cancelled for it.
Unreservedly’, no, it was couched with caveats and he even used the Alf Garnett defence.
He was also an adult when he made the comments, some very inflammatory to a large online audience.
An apology make it all okay ?
Farage was a child.
For some of the time when the quotes originated, he was 17, older than Shamima Begum was when she 'went' to Syria.
And ?
I’ve never said I support her being stripped of citizenship
Farage never sewed people into suicide vests either or indulged in the support of a terrorist body.
Took my wife out to lunch today for her birthday with the family. Unfortunately, there was a moment my 3 year old son bolted off down the restaurant, whilst she was in the loo with my daughter, and I had to run after him to rescue him, but not before he'd climbed onto the bench on the table next to a couple eating. Never had this before but they were very rude about it, "Do you mind? We're trying to eat here." and then commented on my inability to keep my child under control. I must admit I was fuming for most of the rest of the meal, until my wife calmed me down.
Yes, they were triple-lockers. Charming.
Should have told them to mind their manners as you're trying to bring up your son properly.
Experiences like this almost make me want to cheer on a radical ephebocracy that strips them of their pensions, bus passes, bed-blocking homes, tax breaks, and whacks full NI on them.
They really are the most self-centered and entitled generation ever.
Well they are entitled to eat the meal they have paid for without being disturbed, even if I have some sympathy in the sense you cannot keep an eye on your children every second.
The boomers are also handing on bigger inheritances to the next generation than ever before and paid in all their working lives for their state pension and also do much of the voluntary work that keeps community activities going, so I dispute the idea they are so self centred.
Ah, the boomer defence force is activated.
Yes, people can get annoyed at being disturbed, no one has said otherwise so a classic swerve there, the issue was how they chose to react to that annoyance.
And I'd say forever parroting how people should be grateful and how they worked so hard is a classic sign of self centredness.
I'm sure I shall be similar when I reach that age as well, it is a generational thing, but having worked and lived for years entitles people to respect, sure, but not to justify being a rude arse. And a majority do not think it does, but some definitely do.
Also, since I'm not being handed down any inheritance from my forebears, by your logic do they deserve respect?
Well if you don't say your annoyed how are you supposed to express it? In an ideal world parents would keep their children under control so they didn't go wandering off to the other side of the restaurant and disturbing other paying diners. However as I said in this circumstance Casino also had his wife with their daughter in the loo and in the real world it is difficult to keep an eye on children all the time.
I also highly doubt you are not getting any inheritance, even if your parents didn't leave you any share of their house, which would be unusal in itself, I am sure they will leave you a piece of jewellery, a watch, a painting etc
Another classic swerve, you are on fire! Your reference to handing on 'bigger inheritances to the next generation than ever before' very clearly was making a point about the munificence of that generation, so your attempt to now define an 'inheritance' as at least being personal mementos as if you meant that is pretty funny - you didn't mean that, because your point was about how boomers are not self centred because how hard they work and how much they are passing on ie not just mementos.
As to how you express the annoyance as if it is difficult thing to know, that's a very silly question - if someone stands on my foot and I get justifiably annoyed I might say 'Get off my foot!" as a reaction, or I might express my annoyance by headbutting them in the face. Do I defend myself on the basis of 'how am I supposed to express my annoyance?'. (yes this is a deliberately extreme example to illustrate the point, no it doesn't invalidate the comparison).
No, cultural expectations set such things. For this one how about "I understand, but please keep a closer eye on him" (there's also the question of tone and attitude, as opposed to simple words).
Also, not to get too personal but since you think it would be unusual not to get a share of my parents' house, the reason I will get nothing is I have one living parent whom has to rent, and I help support them financially. That might well be unusual, but it is not that uncommon either for people to get nothing (except memories and mementos).
One just swallows it and smiles. I've had far more bad experiences with obnoxious adults than I have with free-range children.
Everyone has been there. All parents are trying their best, and it's really hard raising kids.
Personally I’m deeply worried about Iran taking attention away from Sudan. I’m sure all the lads expressing solidarity with the Sudanese and bewailing the BBC’s lacklustre coverage a few weeks ago are similarly concerned. #jesuisSudan
Took my wife out to lunch today for her birthday with the family. Unfortunately, there was a moment my 3 year old son bolted off down the restaurant, whilst she was in the loo with my daughter, and I had to run after him to rescue him, but not before he'd climbed onto the bench on the table next to a couple eating. Never had this before but they were very rude about it, "Do you mind? We're trying to eat here." and then commented on my inability to keep my child under control. I must admit I was fuming for most of the rest of the meal, until my wife calmed me down.
Yes, they were triple-lockers. Charming.
Should have told them to mind their manners as you're trying to bring up your son properly.
Experiences like this almost make me want to cheer on a radical ephebocracy that strips them of their pensions, bus passes, bed-blocking homes, tax breaks, and whacks full NI on them.
They really are the most self-centered and entitled generation ever.
Well they are entitled to eat the meal they have paid for without being disturbed, even if I have some sympathy in the sense you cannot keep an eye on your children every second.
The boomers are also handing on bigger inheritances to the next generation than ever before and paid in all their working lives for their state pension and also do much of the voluntary work that keeps community activities going, so I dispute the idea they are so self centred.
Take their inheritances off them and tell them they can get them back when they have learned some manners. There is no excuse for rudeness.
Took my wife out to lunch today for her birthday with the family. Unfortunately, there was a moment my 3 year old son bolted off down the restaurant, whilst she was in the loo with my daughter, and I had to run after him to rescue him, but not before he'd climbed onto the bench on the table next to a couple eating. Never had this before but they were very rude about it, "Do you mind? We're trying to eat here." and then commented on my inability to keep my child under control. I must admit I was fuming for most of the rest of the meal, until my wife calmed me down.
Yes, they were triple-lockers. Charming.
Some people are entitled twats.
Good manners cost nothing.
A few years ago a toddler wouldn't let me and my partner have our dinner in peace because she loved my partner's bright pink hair, she said she was beautiful and looked like a princess.
The parents kept on apologising and I cheered them up by telling them they've got nothing to apologise for and said the only thing that would upset me was if they chastised their daughter now or later.
The worst people are your type of couple who seem to be upset children are eating at restaurants near cinemas etc, I mean what do you expect.
This is why speaking multiple languages is useful, you can swear at them and they don't have a fucking clue.
Thanks Eagles, that helps.
This restaurant was opposite the cinema, as it happens, as well as being in mid-afternoon during the school holidays.
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I don't think the Lord title really suits him. If he needs to be acknowledged in some way I'd have thought something like a Royal Navy ship would be more appropriate. Send HMS Botham to the south pacific.
I say entertainingly, because her lawyers are trying to claim, via the ECHR, that the British Government didn't take into account the modern slavery stuff - i.e. she was trafficked - when removing her citizenship.
She chose to leave, she made the choice, we legally could close the door behind her and have.
Morally she may be our problem, but legally and practically she's not, and we're better off for that.
Yes, they were triple-lockers. Charming.
One issue is generational attitudes to journalism, another is groupthink, another is the quite dreadful pay they offer today, and it's much easier for podcasters to just do much better journalism than they can more quickly.
I do think a lot of people would be more comfortable if the government simply did not have the power to strip anyone of citizenship under any circumstances, let alone the particular circumstances with this young woman, but I cannot see the state giving that option up, or being told (potentially) by the ECHR that it theoretically can but practically cannot.
In reality, I was quietly British and did absolutely nothing, other than say to them they should consider being more tolerant.
My wife gave them a death stare on the way out.
If you can ask your parents; were you a little whatsit at any time?
Whatever the outcome, I hope for the Iranians that its a good one. They're very nice people.
I expect they are avid Daily Mail readers.
She should face trial in Syria where her alleged crimes took place.
The killers of Jamie Bulger were children after all. Some children say and do silly things then grow up.
A small few commit terrible crimes.
Strangely, we seem perfectly happy to make almost any exception for dogs.
Strangely, not many others seem to have discovered that trick.
They really are the most self-centered and entitled generation ever.
I'm just grateful I don't work in retail. Some of the young people working over Christmas looked like they needed a big hug. Those "we don't tolerate abuse" posters are up there for a reason and I don't envy my former colleagues who have to tread the fine line between protecting their staff and being on the receiving end of a 1-star review.
What many a parent will wish they could have said.
My half-sister worked in Peacocks for a while recently as a retail assistant but quit after a few months because she said a remarkable number of people were rude to her.
And GB News certainly has an anti Beeb agenda.
The boomers are also handing on bigger inheritances to the next generation than ever before and paid in all their working lives for their state pension and also do much of the voluntary work that keeps community activities going, so I dispute the idea they are so self centred.
When someone is rude to you in real life you don't expect it, because it's quite rare, so your first reaction is one of shock and surprise.
A very good article in the Guardian about Mamdami who becomes New York Mayor today.
There is some hope beyond Trump and Farage.....
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/jan/01/zohran-mamdani-new-york-mayor-antisemitism
They wait for the really big stories to be confirmed before giving them the full headline treatment.
It's rather that online social media makes them look a lot slower than they were.
In the past we just didn't have the same comparator.
Yes, people can get annoyed at being disturbed, no one has said otherwise so a classic swerve there, the issue was how they chose to react to that annoyance, and how big a deal the annoyance was - repeated interruptions would justify more than one toddler getting away for a seocnd for example.
And I'd say forever parroting how people should be grateful and how they worked so hard is a classic sign of self centredness. It's good most don't do that.
I'm sure I shall be similar when I reach that age as well, it is a generational thing, but having worked and lived for years entitles people to respect, sure, but not to justify being a rude arse. And a majority do not think it does, but some definitely do.
Also, since I'm not being handed down any inheritance from my forebears, by your logic do they deserve respect?
Otoh, I really like the "talking tills" at some supermarkets that allow the staff and customers that do want a chat get an opportunity to do so. I tried one out last month and haven't smiled so much in ages - she could talk for Scotland and I got some good cooking advice.
They say:
"This market will resolve according to the party whose official candidates win the most head of local government (Mayor or Governor) elections for UK local governments during those elections occurring on May 7th (listed below)."
Does anyone understand this? (The listed below bit is just a list of the elections happening)
What on earth are Governors?
Well if you don't say your annoyed how are you supposed to express it? In an ideal world parents would keep their children under control so they didn't go wandering off to the other side of the restaurant and disturbing other paying diners. However as I said in this circumstance Casino also had his wife with their daughter in the loo and in the real world it is difficult to keep an eye on children all the time.
I also highly doubt you are not getting any inheritance, even if your parents didn't leave you any share of their house, which would be unusal in itself, I am sure they will leave you a piece of jewellery, a watch, a painting etc
Either they get the theocracy for another decade or a blood bath with a Israeli/American bombing campaign and puppet authoritarian.
I recall once incident where someone was very angry and rude over the phone to me, they kept interrupting before I could provide answers to any questions (usually the interruption was about how no one would provide an answer), and I just absorbed it, then after they went on an extended rant for about a minute and a half they stopped, and I said nothing. They sarcastically went 'And now silence?', and I felt justified in the moment in just pointing out that they had not asked any actual question in the last few minutes, so I was waiting for them to ask one before I could say something. I could sense the apoplexy through the phone line.
Not by being kept "under control".
They aren't animals.
However there is some hope just because they simply are a people that can and should get it right. Admittedly you can look at Iraq and say much the same.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L'esprit_de_l'escalier
However nobody has a clear plan for what to do about it.
“Setting fire to the ECHR”, “sacking all the DEI pen-pushers” etc may sound satisfying but they are not an actual answer.
Reading the Daily Mail
This is essentially a variant of the chicken and egg conundrum.
Trump causes the illness and then offers solutions to the crisis of his own making — solutions that only make the problem worse. I believe psychiatrists refer to this phenomenon "Munchausen by Nazi” (pardon my accent)
C.f. Brexit and RefUK
Good manners cost nothing.
A few years ago a toddler wouldn't let me and my partner have our dinner in peace because she loved my partner's bright pink hair, she said she was beautiful and looked like a princess.
The parents kept on apologising and I cheered them up by telling them they've got nothing to apologise for and said the only thing that would upset me was if they chastised their daughter now or later.
The worst people are your type of couple who seem to be upset children are eating at restaurants near cinemas etc, I mean what do you expect.
This is why speaking multiple languages is useful, you can swear at them and they don't have a fucking clue.
As to how you express the annoyance as if it is difficult thing to know, that's a very silly question - if someone stands on my foot and I get justifiably annoyed I might say 'Get off my foot!" as a reaction, or I might express my annoyance by headbutting them in the face. Do I defend myself on the basis of 'how am I supposed to express my annoyance?'. (yes this is a deliberately extreme example to illustrate the point, no it doesn't invalidate the comparison).
No, cultural expectations set such things. For this one how about "I understand, but please keep a closer eye on him" (there's also the question of tone and attitude, as opposed to simple words).
Also, not to get too personal but since you think it would be unusual not to get a share of my parents' house, the reason I will get nothing is I have one living parent whom has to rent, and I help support them financially. That might well be unusual, but it is not that uncommon either for people to get nothing (except memories and mementos).
What struck me was the ambition for change, driven by the Finance Minister Roger Douglas. NZ was (and is) unicameral, and also has no formal Constitution. It was also, in those days, an FPT system. The only real counterweight on “elective dictatorship” was the very short electoral cycle - just 3 years.
Anyway, the contrast with Starmer makes you weep.
You literally said 'since I'm not being handed down any inheritance from my forebears' ie none, nada not even a memento. On average 'The value of inheritances (adjusted for inflation) passed on annually in the UK has doubled roughly every twenty years since 1979 and, according to analysis by the Resolution Foundation, is expected to double again in England by 2040.
According to modelling by the Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS), a typical (median) UK household led by people born in the 1980s is expected to inherit almost £250,000 throughout their lives (in 2018/19 prices). That is equivalent to how much such a household would earn, on average, in almost eight years. A typical household led by those born in the 1960s, in contrast, is expected to inherit an amount worth just four years of their average annual earnings.'
https://demos.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/inheritance-done-2.pdf
https://x.com/anassarwar/status/2007046031448703043
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001gn7t/the-boy-the-mole-the-fox-and-the-horse
One of the main ways we learn, and not just as children, is by making mistakes. The art of living is to give just enough feedback that "no Casino Jr, it's polite to play quietly here". But that takes time.
It also depends on all of us, especially those of us with the advantages of maturity and no children, not acting like children themselves. Which an awful lot of generation boomer, smarting at not getting their way for about the first time ever, are failing at.
The trick is to make a note, for future off the cuff use.
Good night all.
Or are you seriously saying he has supported the IRA here ?
I speak for many, many educated people in this country who are sick and tired of the pandering to third-worldism that now seems to be the stock in trade of the Guardian, Channel 4 News, Sky and increasingly the BBC. You've done well financially by playing the global game. Some of us care about other things.
The majority of pensioners of my acquaintance are absolutely fine with kids in restaurants.
“Farage never indulged in the support of a terrorist body… except for“
Being a grifter, as many politicians have been, does not make one a terrorism supporter.
Everyone has been there. All parents are trying their best, and it's really hard raising kids.
#jesuisSudan
This restaurant was opposite the cinema, as it happens, as well as being in mid-afternoon during the school holidays.