That reference is very misleading and has been written in a way that does not portray what happened. The electorate were sold a Common Trading Market and not any relinquishment of self-determination. Giving up fishing rights was not mentioned by Heath and the others.
Heaths problem was that he was better at recognising the problems and coming up with solutions, than the practical politics of implementing them.
He recognised that the old Conservative party of MacMillan, Douglas-Home etc needed bringing into the modern age, and that Britains empire was over, with the future being in Europe.
It was A.D-H that brought in the election of a party leader - rather than the form of mumbo-jumbo that had been used previously. Heath was too ready to discard the trading links with the Commonwealth and neglected to use that as a bargaining point with Europe - France still has formal trading links with its overseas departements and brought them into association with Europe.
While it was sold by Heath and others as "The Common Market", the reference to "ever closer union" was in from the start, and it was made clear by Powell and others at the time that there was an obvious diminution of sovereignty.
And every time the scope of the Community/EEC/EC/EU was increased, it was done by our elected representatives, under powers we delegated to them.
But ultimately: if we want to leave we can. And that is the sign that ultimate sovereignty remains with us.
Nigel Farage’s party has scored its highest poll rating yet in a ComRes poll, for The Independent on Sunday and Sunday Mirror tomorrow. Labour’s lead has increased to six points as Conservative support falls:
Conservative 29% (-3) Labour 35% (0) Lib Dem 7% (-2) UKIP 20% (+4) Other 9% (+1)
Change since last month’s ComRes online poll in brackets. The Lib Dem figure, 7 per cent, is the lowest recorded by ComRes online (series started in 2010), and the Conservative figure is the first time the party has been below 30 per cent this year.
I notice some are defending the indefensible, namely the record of the Heath government. Bear in mind that by 1975 both the Conservative and Labour Parties and the electorate regarded it as an unmitigated disaster. The revisionism began with John Campbell, Stuart Ball and Arthur Seldon. The rejoinder is found in the preface to the second edition (1996) of Martin Holmes' magisterial monograph, The Failure of the Heath Government. If we look at the permanent or semi-permanent legacies of the administration: (1) Entry into the EEC (2) The Local Government Act 1972 (3) The Courts Act 1971 All three were misguided measures in the long-term. Most damaging was Heath's unilateral position on entry into the EEC. He supported entry regardless of the terms he negotiated, unlike Wilson from 1967 on, who favoured entry only on suitable terms. Its volte face on macroeconomic policy with the rescue of Upper Clyde Shipbuilders was contemptible, and the government still left office with unemployment higher than when it came in, despite claiming that its calamitous u-turn was necessary to maintain employment. Other policies of the government, including its reorganisation of the NHS were mad and incoherent. The failure of the government to enforce the Industrial Relations Act 1971 was the first of a series of episodes which nearly extinguished the rule of law in England. By the late 1970s, the Attorney General could publicly refer to lawful intimidation, while Benn and Foot were arguing in the Cabinet for picket lines to be given the power to stop vehicles on the highway. The Heath administration was judged at the time, and will remain one of the worst governments in British history.
Nigel Farage’s party has scored its highest poll rating yet in a ComRes poll, for The Independent on Sunday and Sunday Mirror tomorrow. Labour’s lead has increased to six points as Conservative support falls:
Conservative 29% (-3) Labour 35% (0) Lib Dem 7% (-2) UKIP 20% (+4) Other 9% (+1)
Change since last month’s ComRes online poll in brackets. The Lib Dem figure, 7 per cent, is the lowest recorded by ComRes online (series started in 2010), and the Conservative figure is the first time the party has been below 30 per cent this year.
Probably an anecdotal coincidence with the Opinium poll, but in today's canvass (N=280) I was struck by (a) a number of straight Con->Lab switchers compared with previous canvasses of the same people, which have been rare up to now and (b) UKIP picking up from both parties, with their voters bothering to tell us so (rather than just "no thanks"). Quite a few people (both ex-Con and ex-Lab) saying they were now wavering between Lab and UKIP.
(No doubt YouGov will now show exactly the opposite!)
Margaret Thatcher emerges at the top of the league of British prime ministers since 1964, with the current incumbent in second place and Harold Wilson, often regarded as a scheming fixer in his time, coming third. Sir John Major has waited a long time to outpoll Tony Blair, who defeated him in 1997. ComRes asked if people had a favourable or unfavourable view of the eight most recent premiers: our rankings show the percentage replying “favourable”. Note that the level of don’t knows was markedly higher for Wilson, Callaghan and Heath.
Margaret Thatcher 34% David Cameron 27% Harold Wilson 22% John Major 20% Tony Blair 19% James Callaghan 16% Gordon Brown 15% Edward Heath 14%
"Animal rights activist Michelle Thew has been selected as the Labour Party’s Parliamentary Candidate for Bexhill and Battle.
Ms Thew is the current chief executive of global charity Cruelty Free International and was selected by members of the party in the ward, which covers places including Ticehurst, Robertsbridge and Heathfield."
Nigel Farage’s party has scored its highest poll rating yet in a ComRes poll, for The Independent on Sunday and Sunday Mirror tomorrow. Labour’s lead has increased to six points as Conservative support falls:
Conservative 29% (-3) Labour 35% (0) Lib Dem 7% (-2) UKIP 20% (+4) Other 9% (+1)
Change since last month’s ComRes online poll in brackets. The Lib Dem figure, 7 per cent, is the lowest recorded by ComRes online (series started in 2010), and the Conservative figure is the first time the party has been below 30 per cent this year.
Nigel Farage’s party has scored its highest poll rating yet in a ComRes poll, for The Independent on Sunday and Sunday Mirror tomorrow. Labour’s lead has increased to six points as Conservative support falls:
Conservative 29% (-3) Labour 35% (0) Lib Dem 7% (-2) UKIP 20% (+4) Other 9% (+1)
Change since last month’s ComRes online poll in brackets. The Lib Dem figure, 7 per cent, is the lowest recorded by ComRes online (series started in 2010), and the Conservative figure is the first time the party has been below 30 per cent this year.
UKIP are the snake oil party led by a snake oil salesman with the gift of the gab . Like all quack remedy sellers he will enjoy a period of popularity until those he has persuaded to buy his remedies find not only do they do them no good but that they are harmful to the health and wealth of themselves and their families .
Nigel Farage’s party has scored its highest poll rating yet in a ComRes poll, for The Independent on Sunday and Sunday Mirror tomorrow. Labour’s lead has increased to six points as Conservative support falls:
Conservative 29% (-3) Labour 35% (0) Lib Dem 7% (-2) UKIP 20% (+4) Other 9% (+1)
Change since last month’s ComRes online poll in brackets. The Lib Dem figure, 7 per cent, is the lowest recorded by ComRes online (series started in 2010), and the Conservative figure is the first time the party has been below 30 per cent this year.
UKIP are the snake oil party led by a snake oil salesman with the gift of the gab . Like all quack remedy sellers he will enjoy a period of popularity until those he has persuaded to buy his remedies find not only do they do them no good but that they are harmful to the health and wealth of themselves and their families .
@Andrew_ComRes: If UKIP won 20% of vote (see tonight's ComRes / S Mirror / IoS poll) they'd still not get single MP on uniform swing http://t.co/7WwT7UNwIG
That reference is very misleading and has been written in a way that does not portray what happened. The electorate were sold a Common Trading Market and not any relinquishment of self-determination. Giving up fishing rights was not mentioned by Heath and the others.
Heaths problem was that he was better at recognising the problems and coming up with solutions, than the practical politics of implementing them.
He recognised that the old Conservative party of MacMillan, Douglas-Home etc needed bringing into the modern age, and that Britains empire was over, with the future being in Europe.
It was A.D-H that brought in the election of a party leader - rather than the form of mumbo-jumbo that had been used previously. Heath was too ready to discard the trading links with the Commonwealth and neglected to use that as a bargaining point with Europe - France still has formal trading links with its overseas departements and brought them into association with Europe.
While it was sold by Heath and others as "The Common Market", the reference to "ever closer union" was in from the start, and it was made clear by Powell and others at the time that there was an obvious diminution of sovereignty.
And every time the scope of the Community/EEC/EC/EU was increased, it was done by our elected representatives, under powers we delegated to them.
But ultimately: if we want to leave we can. And that is the sign that ultimate sovereignty remains with us.
I certainly don't remember any reference to ever closer union at the time of the referendum, and I am afraid the inescapable conclusion to draw from those times is that Powell was right on most things.
@isam, I owe you an acknowledgement/apology from last night. Your view re expenses is consistent, and I missed that you had already identified the Gerry Adams / Sinn Fein thing.
My concern is that using parliamentary (whether EU or Westminster) expenses to fund political campaigning is dangerously close to state funding of political parties. And I am not in favour of state funding of political parties for many, many reasons.
She was quoting an 'old saying' as a metaphor for some planning regulation or other. Tasteless perhaps, but you'd have to be the most tin-eared PC junkie to believe that constitutes an endorsement of sexual violence.
She was quoting an 'old saying' as a metaphor for some planning regulation or other. Tasteless perhaps, but you'd have to be the most tin-eared PC junkie to believe that constitutes an endorsement of sexual violence.
Oh, I hadn't read the article, just the bit Robert quoted.
@Andrew_ComRes: If UKIP won 20% of vote (see tonight's ComRes / S Mirror / IoS poll) they'd still not get single MP on uniform swing http://t.co/7WwT7UNwIG
When they got 22% in the 2013 local elections they "won" 10 Westminster seats, so we know their vote is clustered enough to produce wins.
That reference is very misleading and has been written in a way that does not portray what happened. The electorate were sold a Common Trading Market and not any relinquishment of self-determination. Giving up fishing rights was not mentioned by Heath and the others.
Heaths problem was that he was better at recognising the problems and coming up with solutions, than the practical politics of implementing them.
He recognised that the old Conservative party of MacMillan, Douglas-Home etc needed bringing into the modern age, and that Britains empire was over, with the future being in Europe.
It was A.D-H that brought in the election of a party leader - rather than the form of mumbo-jumbo that had been used previously. Heath was too ready to discard the trading links with the Commonwealth and neglected to use that as a bargaining point with Europe - France still has formal trading links with its overseas departements and brought them into association with Europe.
While it was sold by Heath and others as "The Common Market", the reference to "ever closer union" was in from the start, and it was made clear by Powell and others at the time that there was an obvious diminution of sovereignty.
And every time the scope of the Community/EEC/EC/EU was increased, it was done by our elected representatives, under powers we delegated to them.
But ultimately: if we want to leave we can. And that is the sign that ultimate sovereignty remains with us.
I certainly don't remember any reference to ever closer union at the time of the referendum, and I am afraid the inescapable conclusion to draw from those times is that Powell was right on most things.
@Andrew_ComRes: If UKIP won 20% of vote (see tonight's ComRes / S Mirror / IoS poll) they'd still not get single MP on uniform swing http://t.co/7WwT7UNwIG
When they got 22% in the 2013 local elections they "won" 10 Westminster seats, so we know their vote is clustered enough to produce wins.
Although you could have the extraordinary situation where UKIP gets almost twice the vote of the LibDems, yet perhaps a quarter of their seats (say, 10 vs 40).
"Animal rights activist Michelle Thew has been selected as the Labour Party’s Parliamentary Candidate for Bexhill and Battle.
Ms Thew is the current chief executive of global charity Cruelty Free International and was selected by members of the party in the ward, which covers places including Ticehurst, Robertsbridge and Heathfield."
Yes, she's my boss - former National Women's Officer for the party before she decided to specialise in NGO work for the last 15 years or so. A good catch for them IMO. We have a Conservative working with us for European Parliament affairs and a variety of friends in all 3 main parties, the SNP and UKIP (don't think we have a Plaid contact yet but we'd like to), so this is out-of-working-hours stuff.
@isam, I owe you an acknowledgement/apology from last night. Your view re expenses is consistent, and I missed that you had already identified the Gerry Adams / Sinn Fein thing.
My concern is that using parliamentary (whether EU or Westminster) expenses to fund political campaigning is dangerously close to state funding of political parties. And I am not in favour of state funding of political parties for many, many reasons.
No probs
I think the pint to consider whether it be UKIP and the EU or Sinn Fein and Westminster is that the people that vote for them don't mind what they do re expenses funding the party
That's totally different from how UK voters see Westminster MPs fiddling for their own gain
That reference is very misleading and has been written in a way that does not portray what happened. The electorate were sold a Common Trading Market and not any relinquishment of self-determination. Giving up fishing rights was not mentioned by Heath and the others.
Heaths problem was that he was better at recognising the problems and coming up with solutions, than the practical politics of implementing them.
He recognised that the old Conservative party of MacMillan, Douglas-Home etc needed bringing into the modern age, and that Britains empire was over, with the future being in Europe.
It was A.D-H that brought in the election of a party leader - rather than the form of mumbo-jumbo that had been used previously. Heath was too ready to discard the trading links with the Commonwealth and neglected to use that as a bargaining point with Europe - France still has formal trading links with its overseas departements and brought them into association with Europe.
While it was sold by Heath and others as "The Common Market", the reference to "ever closer union" was in from the start, and it was made clear by Powell and others at the time that there was an obvious diminution of sovereignty.
And every time the scope of the Community/EEC/EC/EU was increased, it was done by our elected representatives, under powers we delegated to them.
But ultimately: if we want to leave we can. And that is the sign that ultimate sovereignty remains with us.
I certainly don't remember any reference to ever closer union at the time of the referendum, and I am afraid the inescapable conclusion to draw from those times is that Powell was right on most things.
Powell was right on immigration, both on numbers % of population ad the social effect, and he as right on the EEC reducing Nation states to provinces
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And every time the scope of the Community/EEC/EC/EU was increased, it was done by our elected representatives, under powers we delegated to them.
But ultimately: if we want to leave we can. And that is the sign that ultimate sovereignty remains with us.
Conservative 29% (-3)
Labour 35% (0)
Lib Dem 7% (-2)
UKIP 20% (+4)
Other 9% (+1)
Change since last month’s ComRes online poll in brackets. The Lib Dem figure, 7 per cent, is the lowest recorded by ComRes online (series started in 2010), and the Conservative figure is the first time the party has been below 30 per cent this year.
http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2014/04/12/ukip-at-record-high-lib-dems-at-record-low/
(1) Entry into the EEC
(2) The Local Government Act 1972
(3) The Courts Act 1971
All three were misguided measures in the long-term. Most damaging was Heath's unilateral position on entry into the EEC. He supported entry regardless of the terms he negotiated, unlike Wilson from 1967 on, who favoured entry only on suitable terms. Its volte face on macroeconomic policy with the rescue of Upper Clyde Shipbuilders was contemptible, and the government still left office with unemployment higher than when it came in, despite claiming that its calamitous u-turn was necessary to maintain employment. Other policies of the government, including its reorganisation of the NHS were mad and incoherent. The failure of the government to enforce the Industrial Relations Act 1971 was the first of a series of episodes which nearly extinguished the rule of law in England. By the late 1970s, the Attorney General could publicly refer to lawful intimidation, while Benn and Foot were arguing in the Cabinet for picket lines to be given the power to stop vehicles on the highway. The Heath administration was judged at the time, and will remain one of the worst governments in British history.
(No doubt YouGov will now show exactly the opposite!)
David Cameron 27% (-4)
Nigel Farage 27% (+7)
Ed Miliband 20% (-2)
Nick Clegg 12% (-1)
Change since ComRes online poll in February in brackets.
League table of Prime Ministers
Margaret Thatcher emerges at the top of the league of British prime ministers since 1964, with the current incumbent in second place and Harold Wilson, often regarded as a scheming fixer in his time, coming third. Sir John Major has waited a long time to outpoll Tony Blair, who defeated him in 1997. ComRes asked if people had a favourable or unfavourable view of the eight most recent premiers: our rankings show the percentage replying “favourable”. Note that the level of don’t knows was markedly higher for Wilson, Callaghan and Heath.
Margaret Thatcher 34%
David Cameron 27%
Harold Wilson 22%
John Major 20%
Tony Blair 19%
James Callaghan 16%
Gordon Brown 15%
Edward Heath 14%
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/10760034/Tory-councillor-tells-meeting-When-rape-is-inevitable-lie-back-and-enjoy-it.html
Ed Miliband is likely to be Prime Minister after the next election
Agree 23% (+2)
Disagree 39% (-1)
Don't know 39% (0)
Changes since December 2013.
What an utter fecking [moderated]
Ms Thew is the current chief executive of global charity Cruelty Free International and was selected by members of the party in the ward, which covers places including Ticehurst, Robertsbridge and Heathfield."
http://www.courier.co.uk/Animal-activist-takes-Labour-nomination-Bexhill/story-20941698-detail/story.html
http://www.recover-from-grief.com/7-stages-of-grief.html
i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02879/driver_2879584b.jpg
My concern is that using parliamentary (whether EU or Westminster) expenses to fund political campaigning is dangerously close to state funding of political parties. And I am not in favour of state funding of political parties for many, many reasons.
https://twitter.com/MichelleThew
http://survation.com/ukip-won-in-8-westminster-constituencies-last-thursday/
And it wasn't just Powell that mentioned it in his speeches, Benn did too.
I think it's easier for people to think they were deceived, than to admit they made a mistake.
No probs
I think the pint to consider whether it be UKIP and the EU or Sinn Fein and Westminster is that the people that vote for them don't mind what they do re expenses funding the party
That's totally different from how UK voters see Westminster MPs fiddling for their own gain
Fascinating speech from 1976
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiNO7ptBWNw