Obviously many will have wives who do the cooking, but do they really cook?
I mean cooking from ingredients that you need to peel and chop up, and then fry, broil, braise, grill, bake, roast, soak, marinade or whatever
Do we cook?
Every day. I rarely spend more than twenty minutes on it. Because it's easy and quick, and the food is at least as good as in most restaurants, I rarely eat out and almost never have takeaway or ready meals.
I only cook properly like once a week, but there can be a condescending approach taken sometimes wherein it is treated as something people find hard to understand and if only they were educated more on it, which doesn't feel right to me - plenty of things are very simple, and inexpensive to boot, and time - or more accurately the fear of how much time it would take - is a bigger put off.
I tend to batch cook at the weekend and eat left overs etc during the week. I did a 2 kg roast beef on Saturday, and still a fair bit left for another night. Most nights I chuck together a mixed salad from fridge staples.
PART 1: THE ARTICLE Yes, @viewcode is and it's in the toilets. It's currently on its fifth draft and is 1,9XX words long not including the appendices, so I'll have to kill my darlings, including the Shaun Of The Dead reference.
I invited four discussants on to discuss the article. "Discussants" is an old technique you don't see much around these days, where you give a lecture/report and then two groups discuss, pro- and con. Two of my discussants (@NigelB and @kyf_100 ) from the pro-trans direction, and another two (@Cyclefree and @DavidL) from the gender-critical direction. Problem is, due to her personal circs @Cyclefree cannot contribute much, and @DavidL has not yet responded. Also @NigelB and @kyf100 are not lawyers and have pointed out that this makes it imbalanced.
To cure this I propose the following
i) Nudge @DavidL: sir you don't have to be a discussant if you don't want to, but I would be grateful if you could tell me yea or nay
ii) Is there somebody from the the pro-trans direction (or at least not explicitly gender-critical) with legal experience who would like to be a discussant?
PART 2: THE PEGGIE CASE I have not yet studied the case in depth but I do note that the judges in both Peggie and Kelly gave weight to the number of objectors, which means I may be able to incorporate it in the Kelly section
Popped in this afternoon just to see if you were already on the case, pun intended. Glad to see you are!
The trouble with all this stuff is the speed at which it moves. That, and following it in depth is a full time job in itself (a mere 312 page judgement to read tonight!).
When you started your article, it was fairly rational (albeit disputed) to reach a conclusion, legally speaking that trans women are a) legally 'men' for the purpose of the EA and b) legally excluded from single sex spaces.
In the space of a week, we have not one but two judgements (Kelly v Leonardo, Peggie v NHS Fife) that seem to suggest, at least, that (b) is incorrect.
To complicate matters further, the Good Law Project expect their judicial review into the EHRC's draft guidance to be handed down over the next few weeks.
This is why I'm rather more interested in the political debate than the letter of the law. The law is just a set of rules that can change. Politics is what those rules mean, in practice, and how we as a society choose to balance conflicting, even oppositional views (enter proportionality, stage left...).
Noted. Considering changing rooms and toilets
Changing rooms IIUC the SC Judgment FWS was clear on changing rooms: the answer is "no access for TW". Peggie seems to have modified that, and now the answer seems to be "access is permitted unless somebody objects, and then withdrawn until the objection is resolved". Which brings me to...
Toilets My article tries to address whether toilet access comes under FWS (there is disagreement) and the more I read the more I think there is no consensus and it will have to wait until Govt resolves the EHRC guidance. Kelly added a quirk which Peggie echoed, namely the weight of numbers - the number of objectors is relevant and a single objector is insufficient. This surprised me.
Apparently Peggie also rejects the interpretation that FWS directly addressed toilets, saying that if it had meant toilets it would have said so. I agree with that, but I can't deny that many lawyers says it does.
One small but important correction - an employment tribunal decision cannot change the law as set out in the SC court. The SC is the apex court. Employment tribunal decisions do not even have to be followed. It is only when you get to the Employment Appeal Tribunal that their decisions become binding on lower courts but they themselves are bound by the decisions of the higher courts.
Whether the ETs have correctly interpreted the SC decision or swerved past it is another matter. The Kelly v Leonardo case is being appealed. I expect the Peggie case will be too.
I have yet to read the decision itself but the press summary provides a very surprising explanation as to how the FWS case has been dealt with. My instinctive reaction was that they had not applied it correctly but in fairness there may be more detail in the decision that makes it more comprehensible.
PART 1: THE ARTICLE Yes, @viewcode is and it's in the toilets. It's currently on its fifth draft and is 1,9XX words long not including the appendices, so I'll have to kill my darlings, including the Shaun Of The Dead reference.
I invited four discussants on to discuss the article. "Discussants" is an old technique you don't see much around these days, where you give a lecture/report and then two groups discuss, pro- and con. Two of my discussants (@NigelB and @kyf_100 ) from the pro-trans direction, and another two (@Cyclefree and @DavidL) from the gender-critical direction. Problem is, due to her personal circs @Cyclefree cannot contribute much, and @DavidL has not yet responded. Also @NigelB and @kyf100 are not lawyers and have pointed out that this makes it imbalanced.
To cure this I propose the following
i) Nudge @DavidL: sir you don't have to be a discussant if you don't want to, but I would be grateful if you could tell me yea or nay
ii) Is there somebody from the the pro-trans direction (or at least not explicitly gender-critical) with legal experience who would like to be a discussant?
PART 2: THE PEGGIE CASE I have not yet studied the case in depth but I do note that the judges in both Peggie and Kelly gave weight to the number of objectors, which means I may be able to incorporate it in the Kelly section
Popped in this afternoon just to see if you were already on the case, pun intended. Glad to see you are!
The trouble with all this stuff is the speed at which it moves. That, and following it in depth is a full time job in itself (a mere 312 page judgement to read tonight!).
When you started your article, it was fairly rational (albeit disputed) to reach a conclusion, legally speaking that trans women are a) legally 'men' for the purpose of the EA and b) legally excluded from single sex spaces.
In the space of a week, we have not one but two judgements (Kelly v Leonardo, Peggie v NHS Fife) that seem to suggest, at least, that (b) is incorrect.
To complicate matters further, the Good Law Project expect their judicial review into the EHRC's draft guidance to be handed down over the next few weeks.
This is why I'm rather more interested in the political debate than the letter of the law. The law is just a set of rules that can change. Politics is what those rules mean, in practice, and how we as a society choose to balance conflicting, even oppositional views (enter proportionality, stage left...).
Noted. Considering changing rooms and toilets
Changing rooms IIUC the SC Judgment FWS was clear on changing rooms: the answer is "no access for TW". Peggie seems to have modified that, and now the answer seems to be "access is permitted unless somebody objects, and then withdrawn until the objection is resolved". Which brings me to...
Toilets My article tries to address whether toilet access comes under FWS (there is disagreement) and the more I read the more I think there is no consensus and it will have to wait until Govt resolves the EHRC guidance. Kelly added a quirk which Peggie echoed, namely the weight of numbers - the number of objectors is relevant and a single objector is insufficient. This surprised me.
Apparently Peggie also rejects the interpretation that FWS directly addressed toilets, saying that if it had meant toilets it would have said so. I agree with that, but I can't deny that many lawyers says it does.
I really think that's rather appalling. A woman must put herself out there as some sort of complaining prude to avoid having men in her changing room or loo. And even when she does, that might not be enough. Will the woman's feelings of disquiet and discomfort at the presence of biological males be enough, or must there be an 'act' or 'event' that the complainant will need to provide evidence of?
I don't really see how it can be satisfactory for the self-identified women (or men) either. You're allowed to be somewhere until someone else dislikes it and makes a complaint? It's a recipe for workplace conflict and resentment, that makes these people into front line cannon fodder in a culture war.
What foolish, ideologically-driven judgements.
At some point men, including all those crowing tonight, need to engage with why women need single sex spaces and why denying them dignity, privacy and security and the right to say "No" to a man is essential to women.
Meanwhile all those who think that what men want they should get and that women are not entitled to such to basic rights and have no right to say no to a man can enjoy your victory for now. But men who think that a woman is not entitled to say no, who think that women are not entitled to be safe, to have dignity or privacy, who think that women are obliged to get undressed in front of a men if he demands it, are saying that they think women are not fully human beings entitled as of right to what men take for granted but wish to deny women. They create the sea in which male predators flourish. And if single sex ie male free spaces are not permitted then women will be forced back into the home or forced to endure sexual assaults of all kinds if they go out of it. Those men who think like that are disgusting and should be ashamed of themselves. This debate has shown how many men do think like this and how widespread they are in all sorts of places, including - I'm sorry to say - this forum.
Obviously many will have wives who do the cooking, but do they really cook?
I mean cooking from ingredients that you need to peel and chop up, and then fry, broil, braise, grill, bake, roast, soak, marinade or whatever
Do we cook?
I made home made chips last night.
It was remarkably easy.
I think many recipes are massively over complicated.
Same principle as the movie conversation yesterday- all the good recipes were worked out long ago, so how else are you going to make a recipe book, except by overcomplication? (Sorry Nigel Slater, that even goes for you, and you are clearly a sweetie and a love.)
But yeah- having spent a couple of decades doing the cooking, reasonably properly, it's nice having a child who has started doing some of it. Just in time for her to get good before going to university.
(One of the odd, strange, memories of late lockdown is her doing a live online cookalong organised by her Guides group.)
I like the look of Nigel's cooking, but I tried one of the recipes and it was rubbish. I am willing to concede I may have made it badly, but there were only 4 ingredients so I am not sure how to make it better
To answer the original question, I cook sometimes. I often assemble sandwiches, but that might involve a lot of chopping, or a salad, but that might include a poached egg. I hope to roast a pheasant this weekend with all the trimmings but only if schedule allows.
I do 85% of the cooking in this house. Mostly from scratch. Slow-cooked beef casserole and dumplings tonight.
Obviously many will have wives who do the cooking, but do they really cook?
I mean cooking from ingredients that you need to peel and chop up, and then fry, broil, braise, grill, bake, roast, soak, marinade or whatever
Do we cook?
Every day. I rarely spend more than twenty minutes on it. Because it's easy and quick, and the food is at least as good as in most restaurants, I rarely eat out and almost never have takeaway or ready meals.
I only cook properly like once a week, but there can be a condescending approach taken sometimes wherein it is treated as something people find hard to understand and if only they were educated more on it, which doesn't feel right to me - plenty of things are very simple, and inexpensive to boot, and time - or more accurately the fear of how much time it would take - is a bigger put off.
Absolutely. Whenever this topic comes up online I find myself trying to educate people who claim I can't cook, or it's too much bother, and I say just cook an omelette. All you have to do is push a couple of eggs around a frying pan over moderate heat and it literally takes three minutes. Do that and you will have a dish of sophistication, which won't be bettered in any restaurant
Obviously many will have wives who do the cooking, but do they really cook?
I mean cooking from ingredients that you need to peel and chop up, and then fry, broil, braise, grill, bake, roast, soak, marinade or whatever
Do we cook?
I made home made chips last night.
It was remarkably easy.
I think many recipes are massively over complicated.
Same principle as the movie conversation yesterday- all the good recipes were worked out long ago, so how else are you going to make a recipe book, except by overcomplication? (Sorry Nigel Slater, that even goes for you, and you are clearly a sweetie and a love.)
But yeah- having spent a couple of decades doing the cooking, reasonably properly, it's nice having a child who has started doing some of it. Just in time for her to get good before going to university.
(One of the odd, strange, memories of late lockdown is her doing a live online cookalong organised by her Guides group.)
I like the look of Nigel's cooking, but I tried one of the recipes and it was rubbish. I am willing to concede I may have made it badly, but there were only 4 ingredients so I am not sure how to make it better
To answer the original question, I cook sometimes. I often assemble sandwiches, but that might involve a lot of chopping, or a salad, but that might include a poached egg. I hope to roast a pheasant this weekend with all the trimmings but only if schedule allows.
I do 85% of the cooking in this house. Mostly from scratch. Slow-cooked beef casserole and dumplings tonight.
The men of PB - me included - seem to be far more likely to cook than their wives. I do 90% of the cooking in our house. This is simply because it's something I enjoy, while for my wife it's a chore. I love dicing, sauteeing, crushing, grilling and ... most importantly ... sipping on a glass of wine while I'm doing it.
Tonight I am making asparagus risotto with Salmon.
My wife said 'and you could put some terreyaki sauce on the salmon", which I'm going to ignore.
Obviously many will have wives who do the cooking, but do they really cook?
I mean cooking from ingredients that you need to peel and chop up, and then fry, broil, braise, grill, bake, roast, soak, marinade or whatever
Do we cook?
Every day. I rarely spend more than twenty minutes on it. Because it's easy and quick, and the food is at least as good as in most restaurants, I rarely eat out and almost never have takeaway or ready meals.
I only cook properly like once a week, but there can be a condescending approach taken sometimes wherein it is treated as something people find hard to understand and if only they were educated more on it, which doesn't feel right to me - plenty of things are very simple, and inexpensive to boot, and time - or more accurately the fear of how much time it would take - is a bigger put off.
Absolutely. Whenever this topic comes up online I find myself trying to educate people who claim I can't cook, or it's too much bother, and I say just cook an omelette. All you have to do is push an egg around a frying pan over moderate heat and it literally takes three minutes. Do that and you will have a dish of sophistication, which won't be bettered in any restaurant
Unlike in a restaurant, the home cooked omlette will not have the white and yolk overcombined,
The men of PB - me included - seem to be far more likely to cook than their wives. I do 90% of the cooking in our house. This is simply because it's something I enjoy, while for my wife it's a chore. I love dicing, sauteeing, crushing, grilling and ... most importantly ... sipping on a glass of wine while I'm doing it.
Tonight I am making asparagus risotto with Salmon.
My wife said 'and you could put some terreyaki sauce on the salmon", which I'm going to ignore.
Obviously many will have wives who do the cooking, but do they really cook?
I mean cooking from ingredients that you need to peel and chop up, and then fry, broil, braise, grill, bake, roast, soak, marinade or whatever
Do we cook?
Every day. I rarely spend more than twenty minutes on it. Because it's easy and quick, and the food is at least as good as in most restaurants, I rarely eat out and almost never have takeaway or ready meals.
I only cook properly like once a week, but there can be a condescending approach taken sometimes wherein it is treated as something people find hard to understand and if only they were educated more on it, which doesn't feel right to me - plenty of things are very simple, and inexpensive to boot, and time - or more accurately the fear of how much time it would take - is a bigger put off.
Absolutely. Whenever this topic comes up online I find myself trying to educate people who claim I can't cook, or it's too much bother, and I say just cook an omelette. All you have to do is push an egg around a frying pan over moderate heat and it literally takes three minutes. Do that and you will have a dish of sophistication, which won't be bettered in any restaurant
Unlike in a restaurant, the home cooked omlette will not have the white and yolk overcombined,
Also omelettes do need to be eaten straight away, which doesn't suit restaurant ways of working.
Obviously many will have wives who do the cooking, but do they really cook?
I mean cooking from ingredients that you need to peel and chop up, and then fry, broil, braise, grill, bake, roast, soak, marinade or whatever
Do we cook?
I made home made chips last night.
It was remarkably easy.
I think many recipes are massively over complicated.
Same principle as the movie conversation yesterday- all the good recipes were worked out long ago, so how else are you going to make a recipe book, except by overcomplication? (Sorry Nigel Slater, that even goes for you, and you are clearly a sweetie and a love.)
But yeah- having spent a couple of decades doing the cooking, reasonably properly, it's nice having a child who has started doing some of it. Just in time for her to get good before going to university.
(One of the odd, strange, memories of late lockdown is her doing a live online cookalong organised by her Guides group.)
I like the look of Nigel's cooking, but I tried one of the recipes and it was rubbish. I am willing to concede I may have made it badly, but there were only 4 ingredients so I am not sure how to make it better
To answer the original question, I cook sometimes. I often assemble sandwiches, but that might involve a lot of chopping, or a salad, but that might include a poached egg. I hope to roast a pheasant this weekend with all the trimmings but only if schedule allows.
I do 85% of the cooking in this house. Mostly from scratch. Slow-cooked beef casserole and dumplings tonight.
Basa fillets fried in a light dusting of olive oil with ginger for me.
Quick, simple and tasty.
I may have added a bit too much spice but it was decent.
Ham, cheese and mushroom souffle omelette, backed potato and a leaf salad here.
Followed by a bought-in egg custard.
Suffering quite badly at the moment from a winter chest infection. This morning the GP agreed to a 2nd week of antibiotics. But it's one of those that is a sit up half the night coughing experience to avoid distress, so my sleep patterns are completely out of whack.
I'm nervous of this sort of thing which feels as if it may cross over into triggering my rare asthma symptoms.
I had one caused by a huge a amount of inkjet fumes back in 2005-ish (printing 1000 Greetings Cards for a local cathedral), and after a 2am run to A&E, they had me blow into a blower and it caused a respiratory arrest. Apparently (I was told later) a lot of red lights and alarms went off.
Fun, fun, fun, in the sun, sun, sun.
Do your wills people, if you have not done so yet.
The men of PB - me included - seem to be far more likely to cook than their wives. I do 90% of the cooking in our house. This is simply because it's something I enjoy, while for my wife it's a chore. I love dicing, sauteeing, crushing, grilling and ... most importantly ... sipping on a glass of wine while I'm doing it.
Tonight I am making asparagus risotto with Salmon.
My wife said 'and you could put some terreyaki sauce on the salmon", which I'm going to ignore.
You are the reincarnation of the late Keith Floyd, and I claim my five pounds.
Let's face it, there are few things more sensual than making nice food for someone you love. Obviously, there is at least one thing, but this is a family blog. And a glass of something with it only adds to the joy.
(Having said that, one of the cultural things I miss about Spain is the place on the corner where you routinely go and eat. There's a very pleasant Italian place halfway between my house and the Crossrail station... but I just can't justify going there except as an occaisonal treat.)
Obviously many will have wives who do the cooking, but do they really cook?
I mean cooking from ingredients that you need to peel and chop up, and then fry, broil, braise, grill, bake, roast, soak, marinade or whatever
Do we cook?
We do in this house. Main exceptions are when one or both of us comes home late with a ready meal (pizza or quiche or fishcakes and chips) from M&S but even then we add a veg portion. Also when we go to the specialist butcher and come home with their pies (maybe a Scottish thing: 'butcher' meat pies with puff pastry, as well as the round Scotch pies with eg macaroni cheese - but they would count in another sense as home made. Likewise cooked ham and so on.
Soup home made too usually with sometimes tinned stuff esp if I am on my own.
I love cooking but have to forego the joy of it quite often and buy the yellow sticker in Waitrose
Tonight I've got Charlie's chicken and ham en croute for two for six quid
Tesco finest pizza for tomorrow: £1.25. Discounts are steeper (but rarer) at Tesco Express.
I live four hundred wards from Waitrose and a mile and a half from Tesco
Where would you walk?
Ilford North has TWO big Tescos and TWO Tesco Expresses, TWO big Sainsbury's and a Sainsbury's Local, TWO Lidls, TWO Co-ops, and an Aldi.
The men of PB - me included - seem to be far more likely to cook than their wives. I do 90% of the cooking in our house. This is simply because it's something I enjoy, while for my wife it's a chore. I love dicing, sauteeing, crushing, grilling and ... most importantly ... sipping on a glass of wine while I'm doing it.
Tonight I am making asparagus risotto with Salmon.
My wife said 'and you could put some terreyaki sauce on the salmon", which I'm going to ignore.
My mother was an excellent baker, but a poor cook. She had no interest in experimentation. Follow the recipe, for good or ill...
The men of PB - me included - seem to be far more likely to cook than their wives. I do 90% of the cooking in our house. This is simply because it's something I enjoy, while for my wife it's a chore. I love dicing, sauteeing, crushing, grilling and ... most importantly ... sipping on a glass of wine while I'm doing it.
Tonight I am making asparagus risotto with Salmon.
My wife said 'and you could put some terreyaki sauce on the salmon", which I'm going to ignore.
You are the reincarnation of the late Keith Floyd, and I claim my five pounds.
Let's face it, there are few things more sensual than making nice food for someone you love. Obviously, there is at least one thing, but this is a family blog. And a glass of something with it only adds to the joy.
(Having said that, one of the cultural things I miss about Spain is the place on the corner where you routinely go and eat. There's a very pleasant Italian place halfway between my house and the Crossrail station... but I just can't justify going there except as an occaisonal treat.)
Blair's "continental cafe culture" would have been better served by dropping VAT on eating out than extending licensing hours.
Tonight I had devilled kidneys on toast with a side of asparagus. Breakfast was a low carb croissant with almond butter, lunch was cheese and seed crackers. Tomorrow's breakfast will be mushroom omelette.
One of the nice things about being retired is I have time to eat a Craster kipper for breakfast which I will do one day this week
Obviously many will have wives who do the cooking, but do they really cook?
I mean cooking from ingredients that you need to peel and chop up, and then fry, broil, braise, grill, bake, roast, soak, marinade or whatever
Do we cook?
We do in this house. Main exceptions are when one or both of us comes home late with a ready meal (pizza or quiche or fishcakes and chips) from M&S but even then we add a veg portion. Also when we go to the specialist butcher and come home with their pies (maybe a Scottish thing: 'butcher' meat pies with puff pastry, as well as the round Scotch pies with eg macaroni cheese - but they would count in another sense as home made. Likewise cooked ham and so on.
Soup home made too usually with sometimes tinned stuff esp if I am on my own.
I love cooking but have to forego the joy of it quite often and buy the yellow sticker in Waitrose
Tonight I've got Charlie's chicken and ham en croute for two for six quid
Tesco finest pizza for tomorrow: £1.25. Discounts are steeper (but rarer) at Tesco Express.
I live four hundred wards from Waitrose and a mile and a half from Tesco
The men of PB - me included - seem to be far more likely to cook than their wives. I do 90% of the cooking in our house. This is simply because it's something I enjoy, while for my wife it's a chore. I love dicing, sauteeing, crushing, grilling and ... most importantly ... sipping on a glass of wine while I'm doing it.
Tonight I am making asparagus risotto with Salmon.
My wife said 'and you could put some terreyaki sauce on the salmon", which I'm going to ignore.
In my experience, cooking has become a male chore. Once upon a time, when only one partner - almost always the husband - worked, the other one - the wife - would do most of the home stuff. But in the modern world, where most of us need two incomes to survive, we need to divvy the tasks up between us. In most sane households this is done on partners bagging the task they mind doing least. (Sure, I quite like cooking. But I would much rather sit on my arse while someone else did it. But that way nothing gets done...) I do food - cooking, food shopping, feeding the cats - she does clothes - laundry, ironing, clothes shopping. Also I take the bins out. And look after the cars. And she does so much of the thinking - keeping track of emails from schools etc. Dishwashers is a constant job done by whoever is passing. I reckon we're fairly typical.
The men of PB - me included - seem to be far more likely to cook than their wives. I do 90% of the cooking in our house. This is simply because it's something I enjoy, while for my wife it's a chore. I love dicing, sauteeing, crushing, grilling and ... most importantly ... sipping on a glass of wine while I'm doing it.
Tonight I am making asparagus risotto with Salmon.
My wife said 'and you could put some terreyaki sauce on the salmon", which I'm going to ignore.
In my experience, cooking has become a male chore. Once upon a time, when only one partner - almost always the husband - worked, the other one - the wife - would do most of the home stuff. But in the modern world, where most of us need two incomes to survive, we need to divvy the tasks up between us. In most sane households this is done on partners bagging the task they mind doing least. (Sure, I quite like cooking. But I would much rather sit on my arse while someone else did it. But that way nothing gets done...) I do food - cooking, food shopping, feeding the cats - she does clothes - laundry, ironing, clothes shopping. Also I take the bins out. And look after the cars. And she does so much of the thinking - keeping track of emails from schools etc. Dishwashers is a constant job done by whoever is passing. I reckon we're fairly typical.
That sounds pretty typical, yes. The things that seem to vary a lot are holiday booking and financial admin. In a lot of families those seem to be female jobs but in ours they’re my responsibility. Gardening and DIY on the other hand are hers.
The men of PB - me included - seem to be far more likely to cook than their wives. I do 90% of the cooking in our house. This is simply because it's something I enjoy, while for my wife it's a chore. I love dicing, sauteeing, crushing, grilling and ... most importantly ... sipping on a glass of wine while I'm doing it.
Tonight I am making asparagus risotto with Salmon.
My wife said 'and you could put some terreyaki sauce on the salmon", which I'm going to ignore.
Men like doing things with their hands and often find great satisfaction from making and growing things. So cooking and gardening are filling the space for us with white collar jobs.
I tend to cook freestyle rather than to a recipie, and once you understand some of the science of cooking* this is fairly easy. The exception is baking which requires careful measurement and precise timing.
The men of PB - me included - seem to be far more likely to cook than their wives. I do 90% of the cooking in our house. This is simply because it's something I enjoy, while for my wife it's a chore. I love dicing, sauteeing, crushing, grilling and ... most importantly ... sipping on a glass of wine while I'm doing it.
Tonight I am making asparagus risotto with Salmon.
My wife said 'and you could put some terreyaki sauce on the salmon", which I'm going to ignore.
In my experience, cooking has become a male chore. Once upon a time, when only one partner - almost always the husband - worked, the other one - the wife - would do most of the home stuff. But in the modern world, where most of us need two incomes to survive, we need to divvy the tasks up between us. In most sane households this is done on partners bagging the task they mind doing least. (Sure, I quite like cooking. But I would much rather sit on my arse while someone else did it. But that way nothing gets done...) I do food - cooking, food shopping, feeding the cats - she does clothes - laundry, ironing, clothes shopping. Also I take the bins out. And look after the cars. And she does so much of the thinking - keeping track of emails from schools etc. Dishwashers is a constant job done by whoever is passing. I reckon we're fairly typical.
How many children does it take to put a dirty plate in the dishawasher?
Obviously many will have wives who do the cooking, but do they really cook?
I mean cooking from ingredients that you need to peel and chop up, and then fry, broil, braise, grill, bake, roast, soak, marinade or whatever
Do we cook?
I made home made chips last night.
It was remarkably easy.
I think many recipes are massively over complicated.
Same principle as the movie conversation yesterday- all the good recipes were worked out long ago, so how else are you going to make a recipe book, except by overcomplication? (Sorry Nigel Slater, that even goes for you, and you are clearly a sweetie and a love.)
But yeah- having spent a couple of decades doing the cooking, reasonably properly, it's nice having a child who has started doing some of it. Just in time for her to get good before going to university.
(One of the odd, strange, memories of late lockdown is her doing a live online cookalong organised by her Guides group.)
I like the look of Nigel's cooking, but I tried one of the recipes and it was rubbish. I am willing to concede I may have made it badly, but there were only 4 ingredients so I am not sure how to make it better
To answer the original question, I cook sometimes. I often assemble sandwiches, but that might involve a lot of chopping, or a salad, but that might include a poached egg. I hope to roast a pheasant this weekend with all the trimmings but only if schedule allows.
I do 85% of the cooking in this house. Mostly from scratch. Slow-cooked beef casserole and dumplings tonight.
Basa fillets fried in a light dusting of olive oil with ginger for me.
Quick, simple and tasty.
I may have added a bit too much spice but it was decent.
Ham, cheese and mushroom souffle omelette, backed potato and a leaf salad here.
Followed by a bought-in egg custard.
Suffering quite badly at the moment from a winter chest infection. This morning the GP agreed to a 2nd week of antibiotics. But it's one of those that is a sit up half the night coughing experience to avoid distress, so my sleep patterns are completely out of whack.
I'm nervous of this sort of thing which feels as if it may cross over into triggering my rare asthma symptoms.
I had one caused by a huge a amount of inkjet fumes back in 2005-ish (printing 1000 Greetings Cards for a local cathedral), and after a 2am run to A&E, they had me blow into a blower and it caused a respiratory arrest. Apparently (I was told later) a lot of red lights and alarms went off.
Fun, fun, fun, in the sun, sun, sun.
Do your wills people, if you have not done so yet.
I've never made souffle, but when I have a good one in a restaurant, I always think "man, that's something I really want to learn to make".
Obviously many will have wives who do the cooking, but do they really cook?
I mean cooking from ingredients that you need to peel and chop up, and then fry, broil, braise, grill, bake, roast, soak, marinade or whatever
Do we cook?
The plan for dinner tomorrow is to fill the slow cooker with chicken thigh fillets, leek, onion, sweet potato, apple and cider. Leave for several hours and then cook some potatoes (probably) to eat with it.
And then put the remaining half into the freezer.
There are some nights when a vegetable isn't peeled or chopped. Frozen pizzas have crossed the threshold into the house. But cooking happens quite often.
PART 1: THE ARTICLE Yes, @viewcode is and it's in the toilets. It's currently on its fifth draft and is 1,9XX words long not including the appendices, so I'll have to kill my darlings, including the Shaun Of The Dead reference.
I invited four discussants on to discuss the article. "Discussants" is an old technique you don't see much around these days, where you give a lecture/report and then two groups discuss, pro- and con. Two of my discussants (@NigelB and @kyf_100 ) from the pro-trans direction, and another two (@Cyclefree and @DavidL) from the gender-critical direction. Problem is, due to her personal circs @Cyclefree cannot contribute much, and @DavidL has not yet responded. Also @NigelB and @kyf100 are not lawyers and have pointed out that this makes it imbalanced.
To cure this I propose the following
i) Nudge @DavidL: sir you don't have to be a discussant if you don't want to, but I would be grateful if you could tell me yea or nay
ii) Is there somebody from the the pro-trans direction (or at least not explicitly gender-critical) with legal experience who would like to be a discussant?
PART 2: THE PEGGIE CASE I have not yet studied the case in depth but I do note that the judges in both Peggie and Kelly gave weight to the number of objectors, which means I may be able to incorporate it in the Kelly section
Popped in this afternoon just to see if you were already on the case, pun intended. Glad to see you are!
The trouble with all this stuff is the speed at which it moves. That, and following it in depth is a full time job in itself (a mere 312 page judgement to read tonight!).
When you started your article, it was fairly rational (albeit disputed) to reach a conclusion, legally speaking that trans women are a) legally 'men' for the purpose of the EA and b) legally excluded from single sex spaces.
In the space of a week, we have not one but two judgements (Kelly v Leonardo, Peggie v NHS Fife) that seem to suggest, at least, that (b) is incorrect.
To complicate matters further, the Good Law Project expect their judicial review into the EHRC's draft guidance to be handed down over the next few weeks.
This is why I'm rather more interested in the political debate than the letter of the law. The law is just a set of rules that can change. Politics is what those rules mean, in practice, and how we as a society choose to balance conflicting, even oppositional views (enter proportionality, stage left...).
Noted. Considering changing rooms and toilets
Changing rooms IIUC the SC Judgment FWS was clear on changing rooms: the answer is "no access for TW". Peggie seems to have modified that, and now the answer seems to be "access is permitted unless somebody objects, and then withdrawn until the objection is resolved". Which brings me to...
Toilets My article tries to address whether toilet access comes under FWS (there is disagreement) and the more I read the more I think there is no consensus and it will have to wait until Govt resolves the EHRC guidance. Kelly added a quirk which Peggie echoed, namely the weight of numbers - the number of objectors is relevant and a single objector is insufficient. This surprised me.
Apparently Peggie also rejects the interpretation that FWS directly addressed toilets, saying that if it had meant toilets it would have said so. I agree with that, but I can't deny that many lawyers says it does.
I really think that's rather appalling. A woman must put herself out there as some sort of complaining prude to avoid having men in her changing room or loo. And even when she does, that might not be enough. Will the woman's feelings of disquiet and discomfort at the presence of biological males be enough, or must there be an 'act' or 'event' that the complainant will need to provide evidence of?
I don't really see how it can be satisfactory for the self-identified women (or men) either. You're allowed to be somewhere until someone else dislikes it and makes a complaint? It's a recipe for workplace conflict and resentment, that makes these people into front line cannon fodder in a culture war.
What foolish, ideologically-driven judgements.
At some point men, including all those crowing tonight, need to engage with why women need single sex spaces and why denying them dignity, privacy and security and the right to say "No" to a man is essential to women.
Meanwhile all those who think that what men want they should get and that women are not entitled to such to basic rights and have no right to say no to a man can enjoy your victory for now. But men who think that a woman is not entitled to say no, who think that women are not entitled to be safe, to have dignity or privacy, who think that women are obliged to get undressed in front of a men if he demands it, are saying that they think women are not fully human beings entitled as of right to what men take for granted but wish to deny women. They create the sea in which male predators flourish. And if single sex ie male free spaces are not permitted then women will be forced back into the home or forced to endure sexual assaults of all kinds if they go out of it. Those men who think like that are disgusting and should be ashamed of themselves. This debate has shown how many men do think like this and how widespread they are in all sorts of places, including - I'm sorry to say - this forum.
I don't know what was said earlier so cannot comment, but this is a really interesting judgement of what the law is on this issue. It seems that Upton did not harrass Peggie, and what Fife did wrong was a matter of process.
I am sure that there will be further case law that clarifies things furthrron both the protected characteristics of sex and of gender reassignment.
Obviously many will have wives who do the cooking, but do they really cook?
I mean cooking from ingredients that you need to peel and chop up, and then fry, broil, braise, grill, bake, roast, soak, marinade or whatever
Do we cook?
Every day. I rarely spend more than twenty minutes on it. Because it's easy and quick, and the food is at least as good as in most restaurants, I rarely eat out and almost never have takeaway or ready meals.
I only cook properly like once a week, but there can be a condescending approach taken sometimes wherein it is treated as something people find hard to understand and if only they were educated more on it, which doesn't feel right to me - plenty of things are very simple, and inexpensive to boot, and time - or more accurately the fear of how much time it would take - is a bigger put off.
After school classes from 3-4pm should teach basic cooking.
Things I love to make that are probably not worth the time:
Confit duck legs.
They involve me tying up the oven for at least eight hours, and often more. Which means the kids bitch that they can't reheat food because "there's something in the oven".
Then they're eaten in about ten minutes. And no one thanks me.
The men of PB - me included - seem to be far more likely to cook than their wives. I do 90% of the cooking in our house. This is simply because it's something I enjoy, while for my wife it's a chore. I love dicing, sauteeing, crushing, grilling and ... most importantly ... sipping on a glass of wine while I'm doing it.
Tonight I am making asparagus risotto with Salmon.
My wife said 'and you could put some terreyaki sauce on the salmon", which I'm going to ignore.
You are the reincarnation of the late Keith Floyd, and I claim my five pounds.
Let's face it, there are few things more sensual than making nice food for someone you love. Obviously, there is at least one thing, but this is a family blog. And a glass of something with it only adds to the joy.
(Having said that, one of the cultural things I miss about Spain is the place on the corner where you routinely go and eat. There's a very pleasant Italian place halfway between my house and the Crossrail station... but I just can't justify going there except as an occaisonal treat.)
Blair's "continental cafe culture" would have been better served by dropping VAT on eating out than extending licensing hours.
I think wages, taxes and energy prices are now so high that eating out is now either very average quality/small portions or fiendishly expensive.
Either way, we do it far less now - even compared to 2 years ago.
You're lucky not to be down £100 for a family of four (and that's small kids) every time you do it.
The men of PB - me included - seem to be far more likely to cook than their wives. I do 90% of the cooking in our house. This is simply because it's something I enjoy, while for my wife it's a chore. I love dicing, sauteeing, crushing, grilling and ... most importantly ... sipping on a glass of wine while I'm doing it.
Tonight I am making asparagus risotto with Salmon.
My wife said 'and you could put some terreyaki sauce on the salmon", which I'm going to ignore.
Men like doing things with their hands and often find great satisfaction from making and growing things. So cooking and gardening are filling the space for us with white collar jobs.
I tend to cook freestyle rather than to a recipie, and once you understand some of the science of cooking* this is fairly easy. The exception is baking which requires careful measurement and precise timing.
The men of PB - me included - seem to be far more likely to cook than their wives. I do 90% of the cooking in our house. This is simply because it's something I enjoy, while for my wife it's a chore. I love dicing, sauteeing, crushing, grilling and ... most importantly ... sipping on a glass of wine while I'm doing it.
Tonight I am making asparagus risotto with Salmon.
My wife said 'and you could put some terreyaki sauce on the salmon", which I'm going to ignore.
I do pretty much all of the cooking too. My wife used to work later hours than me so it just made sense.
Tonight it was Teriyaki salmon on a bed of prawn and egg fried rice and very nice it was too.
Things I love to make that are probably not worth the time:
Confit duck legs.
They involve me tying up the oven for at least eight hours, and often more. Which means the kids bitch that they can't reheat food because "there's something in the oven".
Then they're eaten in about ten minutes. And no one thanks me.
I love Hugh Fearnley Whittingstall's pork Rillettes but i haven't done it for a while
I did overdo the neeps and tatties last weekend so I made Shepherd's pie with the leftovers which worked out really well
Obviously many will have wives who do the cooking, but do they really cook?
I mean cooking from ingredients that you need to peel and chop up, and then fry, broil, braise, grill, bake, roast, soak, marinade or whatever
Do we cook?
We do in this house. Main exceptions are when one or both of us comes home late with a ready meal (pizza or quiche or fishcakes and chips) from M&S but even then we add a veg portion. Also when we go to the specialist butcher and come home with their pies (maybe a Scottish thing: 'butcher' meat pies with puff pastry, as well as the round Scotch pies with eg macaroni cheese - but they would count in another sense as home made. Likewise cooked ham and so on.
Soup home made too usually with sometimes tinned stuff esp if I am on my own.
I love cooking but have to forego the joy of it quite often and buy the yellow sticker in Waitrose
Tonight I've got Charlie's chicken and ham en croute for two for six quid
Tesco finest pizza for tomorrow: £1.25. Discounts are steeper (but rarer) at Tesco Express.
I live four hundred wards from Waitrose and a mile and a half from Tesco
Where would you walk?
That's a bloody long way to your nearest Waitrose.
The men of PB - me included - seem to be far more likely to cook than their wives. I do 90% of the cooking in our house. This is simply because it's something I enjoy, while for my wife it's a chore. I love dicing, sauteeing, crushing, grilling and ... most importantly ... sipping on a glass of wine while I'm doing it.
Tonight I am making asparagus risotto with Salmon.
My wife said 'and you could put some terreyaki sauce on the salmon", which I'm going to ignore.
I do pretty much all of the cooking too. My wife used to work later hours than me so it just made sense.
Tonight it was Teriyaki salmon on a bed of prawn and egg fried rice and very nice it was too.
Good evening
When I retired in 2009, I told my wife that I would cook from now on as she was such a devoted wife, mother and grandmother doing most of the cooking and it was my turn
That is a promise I have kept though air fryers has made it easier
Obviously many will have wives who do the cooking, but do they really cook?
I mean cooking from ingredients that you need to peel and chop up, and then fry, broil, braise, grill, bake, roast, soak, marinade or whatever
Do we cook?
I made home made chips last night.
It was remarkably easy.
I think many recipes are massively over complicated.
Same principle as the movie conversation yesterday- all the good recipes were worked out long ago, so how else are you going to make a recipe book, except by overcomplication? (Sorry Nigel Slater, that even goes for you, and you are clearly a sweetie and a love.)
But yeah- having spent a couple of decades doing the cooking, reasonably properly, it's nice having a child who has started doing some of it. Just in time for her to get good before going to university.
(One of the odd, strange, memories of late lockdown is her doing a live online cookalong organised by her Guides group.)
I like the look of Nigel's cooking, but I tried one of the recipes and it was rubbish. I am willing to concede I may have made it badly, but there were only 4 ingredients so I am not sure how to make it better
To answer the original question, I cook sometimes. I often assemble sandwiches, but that might involve a lot of chopping, or a salad, but that might include a poached egg. I hope to roast a pheasant this weekend with all the trimmings but only if schedule allows.
I do 85% of the cooking in this house. Mostly from scratch. Slow-cooked beef casserole and dumplings tonight.
Basa fillets fried in a light dusting of olive oil with ginger for me.
Quick, simple and tasty.
I may have added a bit too much spice but it was decent.
Ham, cheese and mushroom souffle omelette, backed potato and a leaf salad here.
Followed by a bought-in egg custard.
Suffering quite badly at the moment from a winter chest infection. This morning the GP agreed to a 2nd week of antibiotics. But it's one of those that is a sit up half the night coughing experience to avoid distress, so my sleep patterns are completely out of whack.
I'm nervous of this sort of thing which feels as if it may cross over into triggering my rare asthma symptoms.
I had one caused by a huge a amount of inkjet fumes back in 2005-ish (printing 1000 Greetings Cards for a local cathedral), and after a 2am run to A&E, they had me blow into a blower and it caused a respiratory arrest. Apparently (I was told later) a lot of red lights and alarms went off.
Fun, fun, fun, in the sun, sun, sun.
Do your wills people, if you have not done so yet.
We did ours and our LPA’s earlier this year.
I’ve tried to get my stepdad to do one. He won’t. Utterly stupid. It makes no sense not doing one.
The men of PB - me included - seem to be far more likely to cook than their wives. I do 90% of the cooking in our house. This is simply because it's something I enjoy, while for my wife it's a chore. I love dicing, sauteeing, crushing, grilling and ... most importantly ... sipping on a glass of wine while I'm doing it.
Tonight I am making asparagus risotto with Salmon.
My wife said 'and you could put some terreyaki sauce on the salmon", which I'm going to ignore.
Men like doing things with their hands and often find great satisfaction from making and growing things. So cooking and gardening are filling the space for us with white collar jobs.
I tend to cook freestyle rather than to a recipie, and once you understand some of the science of cooking* this is fairly easy. The exception is baking which requires careful measurement and precise timing.
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(When I was on a diet I sometimes ate raw tofu from the pack, though...)
Meanwhile all those who think that what men want they should get and that women are not entitled to such to basic rights and have no right to say no to a man can enjoy your victory for now. But men who think that a woman is not entitled to say no, who think that women are not entitled to be safe, to have dignity or privacy, who think that women are obliged to get undressed in front of a men if he demands it, are saying that they think women are not fully human beings entitled as of right to what men take for granted but wish to deny women. They create the sea in which male predators flourish. And if single sex ie male free spaces are not permitted then women will be forced back into the home or forced to endure sexual assaults of all kinds if they go out of it. Those men who think like that are disgusting and should be ashamed of themselves. This debate has shown how many men do think like this and how widespread they are in all sorts of places, including - I'm sorry to say - this forum.
The men of PB - me included - seem to be far more likely to cook than their wives. I do 90% of the cooking in our house. This is simply because it's something I enjoy, while for my wife it's a chore. I love dicing, sauteeing, crushing, grilling and ... most importantly ... sipping on a glass of wine while I'm doing it.
Tonight I am making asparagus risotto with Salmon.
My wife said 'and you could put some terreyaki sauce on the salmon", which I'm going to ignore.
But then, I do live alone...
Followed by a bought-in egg custard.
Suffering quite badly at the moment from a winter chest infection. This morning the GP agreed to a 2nd week of antibiotics. But it's one of those that is a sit up half the night coughing experience to avoid distress, so my sleep patterns are completely out of whack.
I'm nervous of this sort of thing which feels as if it may cross over into triggering my rare asthma symptoms.
I had one caused by a huge a amount of inkjet fumes back in 2005-ish (printing 1000 Greetings Cards for a local cathedral), and after a 2am run to A&E, they had me blow into a blower and it caused a respiratory arrest. Apparently (I was told later) a lot of red lights and alarms went off.
Fun, fun, fun, in the sun, sun, sun.
Do your wills people, if you have not done so yet.
Peeling meat is rarely required.
I season it, put it in the air fryer, turn it over, then eat it.
Let's face it, there are few things more sensual than making nice food for someone you love. Obviously, there is at least one thing, but this is a family blog. And a glass of something with it only adds to the joy.
(Having said that, one of the cultural things I miss about Spain is the place on the corner where you routinely go and eat. There's a very pleasant Italian place halfway between my house and the Crossrail station... but I just can't justify going there except as an occaisonal treat.)
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One of the nice things about being retired is I have time to eat a Craster kipper for breakfast which I will do one day this week
Once upon a time, when only one partner - almost always the husband - worked, the other one - the wife - would do most of the home stuff. But in the modern world, where most of us need two incomes to survive, we need to divvy the tasks up between us. In most sane households this is done on partners bagging the task they mind doing least. (Sure, I quite like cooking. But I would much rather sit on my arse while someone else did it. But that way nothing gets done...)
I do food - cooking, food shopping, feeding the cats - she does clothes - laundry, ironing, clothes shopping.
Also I take the bins out. And look after the cars. And she does so much of the thinking - keeping track of emails from schools etc.
Dishwashers is a constant job done by whoever is passing.
I reckon we're fairly typical.
I tend to cook freestyle rather than to a recipie, and once you understand some of the science of cooking* this is fairly easy. The exception is baking which requires careful measurement and precise timing.
*start with this classic work: https://amzn.eu/d/amCSwHU
No one knows, it's never happened.
And then put the remaining half into the freezer.
There are some nights when a vegetable isn't peeled or chopped. Frozen pizzas have crossed the threshold into the house. But cooking happens quite often.
I am sure that there will be further case law that clarifies things furthrron both the protected characteristics of sex and of gender reassignment.
Confit duck legs.
They involve me tying up the oven for at least eight hours, and often more. Which means the kids bitch that they can't reheat food because "there's something in the oven".
Then they're eaten in about ten minutes. And no one thanks me.
Either way, we do it far less now - even compared to 2 years ago.
You're lucky not to be down £100 for a family of four (and that's small kids) every time you do it.
And when I do read a recipe, I tend to absorb the basics, and then just improvise from there rather than attempting to replicate it line by line.
Tonight it was Teriyaki salmon on a bed of prawn and egg fried rice and very nice it was too.
I did overdo the neeps and tatties last weekend so I made Shepherd's pie with the leftovers which worked out really well
How many of those wards are now Reform marginals?
When I retired in 2009, I told my wife that I would cook from now on as she was such a devoted wife, mother and grandmother doing most of the cooking and it was my turn
That is a promise I have kept though air fryers has made it easier
I’ve tried to get my stepdad to do one. He won’t. Utterly stupid. It makes no sense not doing one.
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2010/aug/10/50-best-cookbooks-edouard-pomiane
Unfortunately for the current generation of food writers, our civilisation doesn't really need any more cookbooks.