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  • MattWMattW Posts: 30,083
    Nigelb said:

    This seems true,
    Had it been Labour or the Tories, it would be.

    Kind of feels like a big deal that a Reform/Brexit Party former MEP has been convicted of taking bribes to promote Russian interests in Ukraine, and it feels like a bigger deal that this isn’t being treated as the major scandal that it clearly is.
    https://x.com/OzKaterji/status/1971576133683757494

    Nothing to see here.

    LOOK AT THE FLAGS !!!

    (Good morning, everyone.)

  • MattWMattW Posts: 30,083
    edited September 27
    IanB2 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    IanB2 said:

    Petition now up to 1.2 million, still running at more than 1,000 signups per minute

    Now 1.3 million.
    While the extent of public concern isn’t a surprise, that people are signing up at such a rate today indicates it’s being pushed in a professional and very effective way - I wonder how and where?
    As another anti-Starmer thing? That's a unifying factor.

    And perhaps by bots. I'm not sure how good the authentication is at present, or how much it relies on good faith.

    I signed the "Anti-20mph petition" in Wales twice - from an English and a Welsh postcode. That was pushed heavily in English motoring fora.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,192

    Roger said:

    I hadn't been following so didn't see the extraordinary performance of Trump infront of the UN. An entertaining watch though really something has to be done when chhosing our next 'closest ally'.....!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQsG9hoBKt4

    And what is that something may I ask ?
    Trump is clearly insane and malevolent. These two women who are extremely entertaining answer your question. We might as well sidle up to the Inuits as remain under the umrella of Trump. So rude as well. The bit with Macron is worth a second look!
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 20,285
    boulay said:

    6. It remains a mystery why Lammy was moved from the Foreign Office where the government has broadly been doing a decent job.

    The explanation that makes most sense to me is that it was deemed necessary to replace Cooper at the Home Office, and moving her to FO was a way to avoid two women leaving major jobs at the same time (after Rayner).

    If it's true that Cooper was failing at the Home Office then I don't think moving her to the Foreign Office was a good idea.

    As it happens they sent Lammy as DPM to the UNGA, so maybe they'll keep on using him for diplomacy anyway.
    How joyful that the occupants of important state roles should be considered foremost through the prism of what is between their legs rather than making a decision based on who is best available for the role.
    Like it or not decisions on who is in the Cabinet will always be made for a mix of reasons that are not purely about competence - that's how David Davis and Boris Johnson were put in charge of Brexit negotiations, for example.

    In Ireland, for example, there's always a desire to ensure that every geographical part of the country is represented.

    If you see Cabinet in what is now a slightly old-fashioned way, alas, as the principal decision-making body of the Executive, then it makes sense to have a variety of groups represented within it, to attempt to bind those groups to the decisions made in Cabinet. Having sufficient female representation is no different to ensuring that other power bases within the party are represented.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,061

    "While on a flying visit to President Donald Trump in Washington in February, the Prime Minister made sure for one more stop: to the offices of Palantir – the US tech firm reforming UK public services through AI.

    Louis Mosley, the head of Palantir UK, met Keir Starmer that day. “You could see in his eyes that he gets it,” he says from Palantir’s London office, in his first sit-down interview since joining the tech giant eight years ago. “The ambition is there – the will is there.”

    Oh, dear.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,986
    edited September 27
    Anas Sarwar goes in on the OBR. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/anas-sarwar-attacks-doom-loop-35969774

    Interesting that it comes after Burnham's remarks on the bond markets. Perversely, this makes Reeves' position even stronger because she will increasingly seen as the (relatively) safe pair of hands.
  • MattW said:

    IanB2 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    IanB2 said:

    Petition now up to 1.2 million, still running at more than 1,000 signups per minute

    Now 1.3 million.
    While the extent of public concern isn’t a surprise, that people are signing up at such a rate today indicates it’s being pushed in a professional and very effective way - I wonder how and where?
    As another anti-Starmer thing?
    Faint echoes of the breathless updates on the size of the petition against the 20 mph limit in Wales.

    Online petitions get signed by the very online, whether #fbpe or the online right. Both groups are numerous without being representative.

    In the meantime, my response is going to depend on what the actual proposal is. Replacing the "show your passport and two bills" approach we currently have with a single trusted card/app sounds sensible. A thing we all have to carry at all times, no thanks. A massive database, hell no.

    And the answer to that question is "we don't know yet". At least some of the objections sound a bit 2+2=222.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,986
    edited September 27
    MattW said:

    IanB2 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    IanB2 said:

    Petition now up to 1.2 million, still running at more than 1,000 signups per minute

    Now 1.3 million.
    While the extent of public concern isn’t a surprise, that people are signing up at such a rate today indicates it’s being pushed in a professional and very effective way - I wonder how and where?
    As another anti-Starmer thing? That's a unifying factor.

    And perhaps by bots. I'm not sure how good the authentication is at present, or how much it relies on good faith.

    I signed the "Anti-20mph petition" in Wales twice - from an English and a Welsh postcode. That was pushed heavily in English motoring fora.
    If it's like Wales then the petition will have a negligible effect on government policy.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 6,226
    ID cards policy feels like a dead cat to me. Surely No 10 does not believe they will do anything so stop illegal immigration, or be deliverable this parliament? No one much talking about Mandy or MacSweeny suddenly. Wonder what we’ll get in April to take attention from the rent boy trial.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 6,226
    https://x.com/10downingstreet/status/1971592329615012169?s=46

    Imagine working your whole life to climb the greasy pole. You’ve finally reached the point where a hapless PM (with a majority of 200) calls you in desperation and says “help! Do whatever you like!”.

    And your big idea is digital ID cards.
  • TresTres Posts: 3,097

    Anyone else slightly uncomfortable with Starmer describing Reform as our “enemy”?

    Reform would be a terrible government and disastrous for this country, but they are a legal political party with democratically elected representatives.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj6xwy015ngo

    'Reform politician admits Russia-linked bribery charges'
  • Eabhal said:

    MattW said:

    IanB2 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    IanB2 said:

    Petition now up to 1.2 million, still running at more than 1,000 signups per minute

    Now 1.3 million.
    While the extent of public concern isn’t a surprise, that people are signing up at such a rate today indicates it’s being pushed in a professional and very effective way - I wonder how and where?
    As another anti-Starmer thing? That's a unifying factor.

    And perhaps by bots. I'm not sure how good the authentication is at present, or how much it relies on good faith.

    I signed the "Anti-20mph petition" in Wales twice - from an English and a Welsh postcode. That was pushed heavily in English motoring fora.
    If it's like Wales then the petition will have a negligible effect on government policy.
    Has any e-petition actually affected government policy?
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,486
    Andy_JS said:
    Up to 1.6 million this morning.

    The rate has picked up as people wake to 30k per hour (and increasing), which suggests to me we'll reach 2 million today.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,486

    Eabhal said:

    MattW said:

    IanB2 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    IanB2 said:

    Petition now up to 1.2 million, still running at more than 1,000 signups per minute

    Now 1.3 million.
    While the extent of public concern isn’t a surprise, that people are signing up at such a rate today indicates it’s being pushed in a professional and very effective way - I wonder how and where?
    As another anti-Starmer thing? That's a unifying factor.

    And perhaps by bots. I'm not sure how good the authentication is at present, or how much it relies on good faith.

    I signed the "Anti-20mph petition" in Wales twice - from an English and a Welsh postcode. That was pushed heavily in English motoring fora.
    If it's like Wales then the petition will have a negligible effect on government policy.
    Has any e-petition actually affected government policy?
    It will help to embolden opposition from the Labour backbenches. And from Tories who would be tempted to support an identical scheme if they were in power.

    It may also encourage the Lords to block or delay the required legalisation that wasn't a part of the Labour manifesto.

    So on balance I'd suggest the petition reduces the likelihood of Digital ID cards actually being a real thing before Labour leaves office in 2028/2029.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,583
    moonshine said:

    ID cards policy feels like a dead cat to me. Surely No 10 does not believe they will do anything so stop illegal immigration, or be deliverable this parliament? No one much talking about Mandy or MacSweeny suddenly. Wonder what we’ll get in April to take attention from the rent boy trial.

    SFAICS the main USP of ID cards is about illegal employment, with a sub text about illegal entry. I don't think any attempt has been made to explain how this can make a difference. We all know that the whole point of acting illegally is that you select which laws you obey, and hide the fact you have broken them.

    How exactly does this change with ID cards, except to create an interesting industry in enabling people to acquire them who don't in fact have that right.

  • boulayboulay Posts: 7,521
    Ratters said:

    Andy_JS said:
    Up to 1.6 million this morning.

    The rate has picked up as people wake to 30k per hour (and increasing), which suggests to me we'll reach 2 million today.
    Still leaves many more millions of people who don’t care or actually disagree with the petition.

  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,781
    edited September 27

    MattW said:

    IanB2 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    IanB2 said:

    Petition now up to 1.2 million, still running at more than 1,000 signups per minute

    Now 1.3 million.
    While the extent of public concern isn’t a surprise, that people are signing up at such a rate today indicates it’s being pushed in a professional and very effective way - I wonder how and where?
    As another anti-Starmer thing?
    Faint echoes of the breathless updates on the size of the petition against the 20 mph limit in Wales.

    Online petitions get signed by the very online, whether #fbpe or the online right. Both groups are numerous without being representative.

    In the meantime, my response is going to depend on what the actual proposal is. Replacing the "show your passport and two bills" approach we currently have with a single trusted card/app sounds sensible. A thing we all have to carry at all times, no thanks. A massive database, hell no.

    And the answer to that question is "we don't know yet". At least some of the objections sound a bit 2+2=222.
    I must say that I wouldn't agree with that.

    Whar do we have.? A ckear push from the government to make Britain an AI hub, and accompanying contracts in the public sector to companies that develop both AI and large-scale data integration, with the former depending on the latter.

    We have the quotes in the Byline Times article from yesterday, and Glasman coming away from being schmoozed by Thiel at Trump"s inauguration, saying, "I want fucking AI everything. A national system draped in the Union Jack." And Starmer's special visit to Palantir in February, where they were quoted as saying "He gets it, he has the will".

    None of this inspires confidence that Palantir either aren't being lined up for the main contract, or as is likely in any case, will have wide access to its data through the contracts they're racking up across the public sector, for their key function of data mining A.I.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,486
    boulay said:

    Ratters said:

    Andy_JS said:
    Up to 1.6 million this morning.

    The rate has picked up as people wake to 30k per hour (and increasing), which suggests to me we'll reach 2 million today.
    Still leaves many more millions of people who don’t care or actually disagree with the petition.

    Sure, but YouGov polling had more opposed than supporting.

    And you'll never get much higher numbers in petitions. It's already on track to be the third largest ever by the end of today.

    If Labour wanted an easy time passing it, they should have included it in their manifesto.
  • NEW THREAD

  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,781
    moonshine said:

    https://x.com/10downingstreet/status/1971592329615012169?s=46

    Imagine working your whole life to climb the greasy pole. You’ve finally reached the point where a hapless PM (with a majority of 200) calls you in desperation and says “help! Do whatever you like!”.

    And your big idea is digital ID cards.

    Extremely offputting smug expression.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 20,037
    edited September 27
    Ratters said:

    Eabhal said:

    MattW said:

    IanB2 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    IanB2 said:

    Petition now up to 1.2 million, still running at more than 1,000 signups per minute

    Now 1.3 million.
    While the extent of public concern isn’t a surprise, that people are signing up at such a rate today indicates it’s being pushed in a professional and very effective way - I wonder how and where?
    As another anti-Starmer thing? That's a unifying factor.

    And perhaps by bots. I'm not sure how good the authentication is at present, or how much it relies on good faith.

    I signed the "Anti-20mph petition" in Wales twice - from an English and a Welsh postcode. That was pushed heavily in English motoring fora.
    If it's like Wales then the petition will have a negligible effect on government policy.
    Has any e-petition actually affected government policy?
    It will help to embolden opposition from the Labour backbenches. And from Tories who would be tempted to support an identical scheme if they were in power.

    It may also encourage the Lords to block or delay the required legalisation that wasn't a part of the Labour manifesto.

    So on balance I'd suggest the petition reduces the likelihood of Digital ID cards actually being a real thing before Labour leaves office in 2028/2029.
    Maybe a big petition ought to make a difference, but that's different to whether any of them have.

    (They didn't exist in electronic form before 2006. Part of me suspects that they formalise the attitude of 'I want X, don't have to think about tradeoffs and have done my bit by pressing a button on a computer' which is fairly novel and part of the reason we are in this mess.)
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 57,193

    Anyone else slightly uncomfortable with Starmer describing Reform as our “enemy”?

    Reform would be a terrible government and disastrous for this country, but they are a legal political party with democratically elected representatives.

    Very American, and not in a good way.

    Politicians all need to learn to tone down their language a notch or two.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,192
    edited September 27

    Eabhal said:

    MattW said:

    IanB2 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    IanB2 said:

    Petition now up to 1.2 million, still running at more than 1,000 signups per minute

    Now 1.3 million.
    While the extent of public concern isn’t a surprise, that people are signing up at such a rate today indicates it’s being pushed in a professional and very effective way - I wonder how and where?
    As another anti-Starmer thing? That's a unifying factor.

    And perhaps by bots. I'm not sure how good the authentication is at present, or how much it relies on good faith.

    I signed the "Anti-20mph petition" in Wales twice - from an English and a Welsh postcode. That was pushed heavily in English motoring fora.
    If it's like Wales then the petition will have a negligible effect on government policy.
    Has any e-petition actually affected government policy?
    I hope not. This one is particularly bizarre. Even if it gets to two million that's still only 3% which could suggest that 97% don't share their concerns. I support them. Anything that makes life easier and is used in 27 of 28 EU countries can't be wrong
  • MattW said:

    IanB2 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    IanB2 said:

    Petition now up to 1.2 million, still running at more than 1,000 signups per minute

    Now 1.3 million.
    While the extent of public concern isn’t a surprise, that people are signing up at such a rate today indicates it’s being pushed in a professional and very effective way - I wonder how and where?
    As another anti-Starmer thing? That's a unifying factor.

    And perhaps by bots. I'm not sure how good the authentication is at present, or how much it relies on good faith.

    I signed the "Anti-20mph petition" in Wales twice - from an English and a Welsh postcode. That was pushed heavily in English motoring fora.
    Authentication is by the signatory entering their email address and postcode and the site sending them a link which they have to click to confirm their signature. I assume this is by no means foolproof but it does require additional actions via a genuine email address to get the signature on the page.
  • Sandpit said:

    Anyone else slightly uncomfortable with Starmer describing Reform as our “enemy”?

    Reform would be a terrible government and disastrous for this country, but they are a legal political party with democratically elected representatives.

    Very American, and not in a good way.

    Politicians all need to learn to tone down their language a notch or two.
    Looking forward to hearing similar condemnation from the same posters next time Sadiq Khan gets similar.
  • MattW said:

    IanB2 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    IanB2 said:

    Petition now up to 1.2 million, still running at more than 1,000 signups per minute

    Now 1.3 million.
    While the extent of public concern isn’t a surprise, that people are signing up at such a rate today indicates it’s being pushed in a professional and very effective way - I wonder how and where?
    As another anti-Starmer thing? That's a unifying factor.

    And perhaps by bots. I'm not sure how good the authentication is at present, or how much it relies on good faith.

    I signed the "Anti-20mph petition" in Wales twice - from an English and a Welsh postcode. That was pushed heavily in English motoring fora.
    Authentication is by the signatory entering their email address and postcode and the site sending them a link which they have to click to confirm their signature. I assume this is by no means foolproof but it does require additional actions via a genuine email address to get the signature on the page.
    Still pretty easy to set up a new email address.
  • AnthonyTAnthonyT Posts: 221

    geoffw said:

    So we must all have digital id because Skir couldn't smash the gangs and thinks people desperate to get here for work and benefits will be deterred by being invisible to the authorities

    Or, desperate to deflect from Morgan's financial "issues" we will have ID cards imposed on us in five years time after billions have been wasted and at least two suppliers and five heads of delivery on the project have been sacked and then knighted.

    I can feel Dido Harding warming her CV as we speak.
    Paula Vennells is free.
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