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  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,612
    dixiedean said:

    Taz said:

    Anyone got the heating on yet ?

    No. I live in Newcastle. Three more months at least
    Is it cold enough for a t-shirt yet, or are you still bare chested?
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,862
    edited September 10
    This is probably good news for Mandy
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,404
    Despite being very interested in American politics I can honestly say I've never heard of Charlie Kirk before. RIP.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,862
    edited September 10
    Scott_xP said:

    @kaitlancollins

    President Trump posts on Truth Social that Charlie Kirk has died.

    What about the real world?

    EDIT : i totaly take this back - breaking news
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,209
    There have been 5,700 mass shootings in the USA since 2013 . A horrific statistic .
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,396

    dixiedean said:

    Taz said:

    Anyone got the heating on yet ?

    No. I live in Newcastle. Three more months at least
    Is it cold enough for a t-shirt yet, or are you still bare chested?
    Not Friday evening yet.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,862
    edited September 10
    Sept. 10, 2025, 4:44 p.m. ETJust now
    Robert Draper

    Andrew Kolvet, Kirk’s spokesman, says Kirk is dead.

    NY Times blog
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,091

    In case there were any doubts...


    Zarah Sultana MP
    @zarahsultana

    We are not here to beg for crumbs off the table.

    We are taking the fucking lot.

    https://x.com/zarahsultana/status/1965808012729487550

    Not under the Reform Government she will undoubtedly deliver, she won't.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,038

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @KevinASchofield
    BREAKING: Bridget Phillipson easily gets more than 80 nominations to put her into the next round of the Labour deputy leadership election.

    Lucy Powell just 3 short with 22 hours to go

    Totals:

    Phillipson - 116
    Powell - 77
    Bell Ribeiro-Addy - 15
    Barker - 14
    Thornberry - 13

    Easy to call it. Just like the Liz Truss election, Useless Lucy gets into next phase the Unions and Labour Members will place a tiara of Deputy Leadership on her head.
    Though they will have to watch out for the dandruff.
    Did you see Phillipson speaking at the TUC? She has it in the bag.
    Doesn’t matter what she said or how she said it, the one with zero personality is the Starmer candidate and this is “a balls to you and your reshuffle Starmer” election for the vast majority of Union and Party Members.

    This is a betting site, and I’m calling it already in the bag for useless Lucy.
    Powell is the one with personality?
    It’s a close call, but Phillipson is one unique kind of personality vacuum.
    Who has the better hair in your estimation? I think Powell.

    Phillipson has a rather strong resemblance to Mary from "Our Friends in the North". I wonder how much of this is conscious.

    Mary from Our Friends in the North?

    Not even close. Try Wendolene Ramsbottom.

    As for Powell, I’ll defer detailed comment except to say, I don’t think she even owns a hair brush. I don’t mean that in a mean way, it’s, looking at pictures from throughout her career, she seems comfortable beneath however it’s looking.

    Also, in a run off of Tory faithful, pre shredding his credibility Rishi Sunak cannot possibly be thumped in leadership election by Liz Truss? Ditto for this Labour Leadership contest - the unions and Labour members are the electorate.
    Still, Our Friends in the North - what a tv series.

    Let's face it the BBC would run a bloody mile from it now (and indeed it took a while to get it made in 1990s).

    At least three of the young actors are now mega stars.
    It's a brilliant series, part soap opera, part historical epic.

    Great cast too.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,034
    Andy_JS said:

    Despite being very interested in American politics I can honestly say I've never heard of Charlie Kirk before. RIP.

    The modern media and social media landscape is, as they say, siloed.

    Even platforms with recommendation systems like YouTube are like that.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,613

    dixiedean said:

    Taz said:

    Anyone got the heating on yet ?

    No. I live in Newcastle. Three more months at least
    Is it cold enough for a t-shirt yet, or are you still bare chested?
    T-shirt today.
    Bedroom window is open as it has been since March when I moved in.
    Haven't yet tested to see if the heating works.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,862

    In case there were any doubts...


    Zarah Sultana MP
    @zarahsultana

    We are not here to beg for crumbs off the table.

    We are taking the fucking lot.

    https://x.com/zarahsultana/status/1965808012729487550

    Not under the Reform Government she will undoubtedly deliver, she won't.
    Yes, it is all looking like Dearborn all over again.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,990
    Rise
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,404
    No way he could have survived being shot in the neck like that.
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 2,254
    Taz said:

    Anyone got the heating on yet ?

    4.5 tog nights for a few weeks yet, even here in chilly Edinburgh.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,862

    In case there were any doubts...


    Zarah Sultana MP
    @zarahsultana

    We are not here to beg for crumbs off the table.

    We are taking the fucking lot.

    https://x.com/zarahsultana/status/1965808012729487550

    Better prose than Starmer tbf
    It is certainly a narrative.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,132
    RIP Charlie Kirk, one of his last speaking events was at the Oxford Union in June

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnqSNEiLTeY
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,273
    That's a huge fucking hell moment. And the shooter is still at large apparently.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,990
    We either fight for the West, or it’s over
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,706
    edited September 10

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @KevinASchofield
    BREAKING: Bridget Phillipson easily gets more than 80 nominations to put her into the next round of the Labour deputy leadership election.

    Lucy Powell just 3 short with 22 hours to go

    Totals:

    Phillipson - 116
    Powell - 77
    Bell Ribeiro-Addy - 15
    Barker - 14
    Thornberry - 13

    Easy to call it. Just like the Liz Truss election, Useless Lucy gets into next phase the Unions and Labour Members will place a tiara of Deputy Leadership on her head.
    Though they will have to watch out for the dandruff.
    Did you see Phillipson speaking at the TUC? She has it in the bag.
    Doesn’t matter what she said or how she said it, the one with zero personality is the Starmer candidate and this is “a balls to you and your reshuffle Starmer” election for the vast majority of Union and Party Members.

    This is a betting site, and I’m calling it already in the bag for useless Lucy.
    Powell is the one with personality?
    It’s a close call, but Phillipson is one unique kind of personality vacuum.
    Who has the better hair in your estimation? I think Powell.

    Phillipson has a rather strong resemblance to Mary from "Our Friends in the North". I wonder how much of this is conscious.

    Mary from Our Friends in the North?

    Not even close. Try Wendolene Ramsbottom.

    As for Powell, I’ll defer detailed comment except to say, I don’t think she even owns a hair brush. I don’t mean that in a mean way, it’s, looking at pictures from throughout her career, she seems comfortable beneath however it’s looking.

    Also, in a run off of Tory faithful, pre shredding his credibility Rishi Sunak cannot possibly be thumped in leadership election by Liz Truss? Ditto for this Labour Leadership contest - the unions and Labour members are the electorate.
    It would be oddly satisfying if the LDL election boils down to two long-haired women fighting over a hair brush.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 16,123
    TOPPING said:

    That's a huge fucking hell moment. And the shooter is still at large apparently.

    It is, and the nutters are already using it as a rallying cry for a civil war.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,862

    TOPPING said:

    That's a huge fucking hell moment. And the shooter is still at large apparently.

    It is, and the nutters are already using it as a rallying cry for a civil war.
    Nutter 1 is @Leon
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,132
    TOPPING said:

    That's a huge fucking hell moment. And the shooter is still at large apparently.

    Trump to declare martial law by Monday?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,613
    Putin's laughing his tits off as idiots try to foment a race civil war whilst he drones Poland.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,404
    edited September 10
    This was his last tweet.

    "Charlie Kirk
    @charliekirk11

    If we want things to change, it's 100% necessary to politicize the senseless murder of Iryna Zarutska because it was politics that allowed a savage monster with 14 priors to be free on the streets to kill her."

    https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1965831226956357920
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,469
    Scott_xP said:

    @alexwickham

    ***NEW*** Bloomberg News investigation obtains more than a hundred emails between Peter Mandelson and Jeffrey Epstein

    The day before Epstein went to prison Mandelson wrote “I think the world of you… Fight for early release”

    He said he loved him

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/1965865113577222212

    Do you think like… they might actually have been… like… you know… ….close? You know?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,862

    Aubrey Allegretti
    @breeallegretti
    Exc: Emily Thornberry warns MPs against “the leadership choice” steaming ahead in deputy race.

    She messaged colleagues today pointing out Lucy Powell got 1% in recent polling, compared to her on 20% and Phillipson on 39%.

    Members need a candidate who “knows that something has to change”, she says, adding: “No more burying our heads in the sand.”
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,990

    TOPPING said:

    That's a huge fucking hell moment. And the shooter is still at large apparently.

    It is, and the nutters are already using it as a rallying cry for a civil war.
    Nutter 1 is @Leon
    I’m chilling out with a free glass of Cannonau in Sardinia!

    Not that insane

    I am merely pointing out the Directionality of the Moment. The Left apparently wants war to defend Wokeness

    If that’s what they want, it will happen
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,324
    England really not making a go of this farce.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,862
    Bernard Mokam
    Sept. 10, 2025, 4:56 p.m. ET2 minutes ago
    Bernard Mokam

    Utah Valley University officials confirmed that no one had been arrested.

    NY Times
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,849
    Andy_JS said:

    Despite being very interested in American politics I can honestly say I've never heard of Charlie Kirk before. RIP.

    Yeah never heard of the dude.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,209
    Andy_JS said:

    This was his last tweet.

    "Charlie Kirk
    @charliekirk11

    If we want things to change, it's 100% necessary to politicize the senseless murder of Iryna Zarutska because it was politics that allowed a savage monster with 14 priors to be free on the streets to kill her."

    https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1965831226956357920

    There are many senseless murders in the USA because of their addiction to guns and Kirk said that deaths were worth it to protect the 2nd Amendment.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,862
    Terrible times in America.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,872
    DavidL said:

    England really not making a go of this farce.

    In the truest sense, it’s not cricket is it?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,038

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @KevinASchofield
    BREAKING: Bridget Phillipson easily gets more than 80 nominations to put her into the next round of the Labour deputy leadership election.

    Lucy Powell just 3 short with 22 hours to go

    Totals:

    Phillipson - 116
    Powell - 77
    Bell Ribeiro-Addy - 15
    Barker - 14
    Thornberry - 13

    Easy to call it. Just like the Liz Truss election, Useless Lucy gets into next phase the Unions and Labour Members will place a tiara of Deputy Leadership on her head.
    Though they will have to watch out for the dandruff.
    Did you see Phillipson speaking at the TUC? She has it in the bag.
    Doesn’t matter what she said or how she said it, the one with zero personality is the Starmer candidate and this is “a balls to you and your reshuffle Starmer” election for the vast majority of Union and Party Members.

    This is a betting site, and I’m calling it already in the bag for useless Lucy.
    Powell is the one with personality?
    It’s a close call, but Phillipson is one unique kind of personality vacuum.
    Who has the better hair in your estimation? I think Powell.

    Phillipson has a rather strong resemblance to Mary from "Our Friends in the North". I wonder how much of this is conscious.

    Mary from Our Friends in the North?

    Not even close. Try Wendolene Ramsbottom.

    As for Powell, I’ll defer detailed comment except to say, I don’t think she even owns a hair brush. I don’t mean that in a mean way, it’s, looking at pictures from throughout her career, she seems comfortable beneath however it’s looking.

    Also, in a run off of Tory faithful, pre shredding his credibility Rishi Sunak cannot possibly be thumped in leadership election by Liz Truss? Ditto for this Labour Leadership contest - the unions and Labour members are the electorate.
    It would be oddly satisfying if the LDL election boils down to two long-haired women fighting over a hair brush.
    Phillipson has more of a long bob.

    I think she would come over as a bit more empathetic with a pixie cut.

    A long bob looks too severe. Stella Creasy has the best haircut in Parliament.

  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,613
    edited September 10
    Can I be the first to point out that you can't rise up in revolt and cause a Civil War when your own side is the fucking government.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,872
    There is no point in this game. And, what with the Tube strike and everything, the crowd has clearly sodded off
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,346
    Why do so many people put up with being cold in their homes?

    It's not big and it's not clever.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,698
    edited September 10
    Scott_xP said:

    @alexwickham

    ***NEW*** Bloomberg News investigation obtains more than a hundred emails between Peter Mandelson and Jeffrey Epstein

    The day before Epstein went to prison Mandelson wrote “I think the world of you… Fight for early release”

    He said he loved him

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/1965865113577222212

    That's Starmer's opportunity to defenestrate, politely.

    But how to manage the future relations with the USA?

    I wonder if Lord Mandelbrot knew they had been released?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,666
    biggles said:

    There is no point in this game. And, what with the Tube strike and everything, the crowd has clearly sodded off

    Does the Tube reach Cardiff?
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,418
    dixiedean said:

    Can I be the first to point out that you can't rise up in revolt and cause a Civil War when your own side is the fucking government.

    There's a first time for everything
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,324
    dixiedean said:

    Can I be the first to point out that you can't rise up in revolt and cause a Civil War when your own side is the fucking government.

    Remember that whoever you vote for the government always gets in.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,974

    Andy_JS said:

    Despite being very interested in American politics I can honestly say I've never heard of Charlie Kirk before. RIP.

    Yeah never heard of the dude.
    Probably because he ran a conservative youth movement, targeted at college kids (Turning Point USA). Not exactly the PB demographic.

    I've only heard of him because I'm a bit of a US politics obsessive.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,421
    Andy_JS said:

    Despite being very interested in American politics I can honestly say I've never heard of Charlie Kirk before. RIP.

    5 million followers on X. Supporter of gun ownership. Charismatic presence and speaking ability. Social media titan. Political views not hard to fathom.

    Tragic, like so much in America.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,160
    dixiedean said:

    Can I be the first to point out that you can't rise up in revolt and cause a Civil War when your own side is the fucking government.

    Arguably, that's exactly what King Charles I did when he raised his standard at Nottingham in 1642
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,209
    Of the 5,700 mass shootings since 2013 , 5 have been carried out by trans people. So of course the GOP will pick on that group and ignore the rest .

    Theres no evidence yet of any trans link re Kirk .

  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 16,123

    Andy_JS said:

    Despite being very interested in American politics I can honestly say I've never heard of Charlie Kirk before. RIP.

    Yeah never heard of the dude.
    He was a very important figure behind Trump. He was a massive conspiracy theorist and Trump supporter (doesn't believe in climate change, doesn't believe in COVID-19 vaccines, called social distancing a "Democratic plot against Christianity", anti-birth control, organised and funded buses to Jan 6, promoted Great Replacement Theory, antisemitic, anti-gay, anti-Ukraine).
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,872
    edited September 10

    biggles said:

    There is no point in this game. And, what with the Tube strike and everything, the crowd has clearly sodded off

    Does the Tube reach Cardiff?
    Hah! Oops. Because it’s the silliest format and there was so much rain about I had lost track of where it was and just stuck it on.

    Mind you, the ECB puts 80% of games at Lords so if you come in late and haven’t seen the ground, it’s not a bad guess to be fair.

    If it’s Cardiff, they should win by putting 20 balls into the Taff.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,469

    In case there were any doubts...


    Zarah Sultana MP
    @zarahsultana

    We are not here to beg for crumbs off the table.

    We are taking the fucking lot.

    https://x.com/zarahsultana/status/1965808012729487550

    Better prose than Starmer tbf
    It’s been like waking up in the nineteen fucking thirties today 😕
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,974
    CatMan said:

    dixiedean said:

    Can I be the first to point out that you can't rise up in revolt and cause a Civil War when your own side is the fucking government.

    There's a first time for everything
    The idea, and practice of a self-coup is not entirely unknown.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,821
    HYUFD said:

    TOPPING said:

    That's a huge fucking hell moment. And the shooter is still at large apparently.

    Trump to declare martial law by Monday?
    In Utah? Hardly...
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,038
    HYUFD said:

    TOPPING said:

    That's a huge fucking hell moment. And the shooter is still at large apparently.

    Trump to declare martial law by Monday?
    In the reddest of red states?

    As Kirk has said in the past. The Second Ammendment is not there for hunting, nor even personal defence, it is so citizens can resist tyrannical government.

    Orwell said much the same in 1941 "That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there". This was in the context of the Home Guard.

    There is some truth in what they say. Heavy weapons, tanks, airplanes etc are instruments of organised states, but any citizen can aspire to a rifle.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,209

    Andy_JS said:

    Despite being very interested in American politics I can honestly say I've never heard of Charlie Kirk before. RIP.

    Yeah never heard of the dude.
    He was a very important figure behind Trump. He was a massive conspiracy theorist and Trump supporter (doesn't believe in climate change, doesn't believe in COVID-19 vaccines, called social distancing a "Democratic plot against Christianity", anti-birth control, organised and funded buses to Jan 6, promoted Great Replacement Theory, antisemitic, anti-gay, anti-Ukraine).
    So just your normal Maga then !
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,990

    Andy_JS said:

    Despite being very interested in American politics I can honestly say I've never heard of Charlie Kirk before. RIP.

    Yeah never heard of the dude.
    He was a very important figure behind Trump. He was a massive conspiracy theorist and Trump supporter (doesn't believe in climate change, doesn't believe in COVID-19 vaccines, called social distancing a "Democratic plot against Christianity", anti-birth control, organised and funded buses to Jan 6, promoted Great Replacement Theory, antisemitic, anti-gay, anti-Ukraine).
    So he deserved to die?

    Be honest, that’s what you really think
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,817
    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    That's a huge fucking hell moment. And the shooter is still at large apparently.

    It is, and the nutters are already using it as a rallying cry for a civil war.
    Nutter 1 is @Leon
    I’m chilling out with a free glass of Cannonau in Sardinia!

    Not that insane

    I am merely pointing out the Directionality of the Moment. The Left apparently wants war to defend Wokeness

    If that’s what they want, it will happen
    Are you going to try the local cheese?
  • Why do so many people put up with being cold in their homes?

    It's not big and it's not clever.

    Why are people talking about heating?

    Its not only September, its not even cold yet.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,698
    For something off-topic and fascinating if anyone wants a diversion from a miserable day, a short analysis of the container ship that had some of its cargo fall off in the Port of Long Beach.

    https://youtu.be/IEg8EvG9o4w?t=285
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,404
    edited September 10
    algarkirk said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Despite being very interested in American politics I can honestly say I've never heard of Charlie Kirk before. RIP.

    5 million followers on X. Supporter of gun ownership. Charismatic presence and speaking ability. Social media titan. Political views not hard to fathom.

    Tragic, like so much in America.
    I'm mostly a traditionalist when it comes to news, watching legacy TV news channels and reading newspapers the old-fashioned way. So not surprising I hadn't heard of a new-style political star in the US.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,038

    Why do so many people put up with being cold in their homes?

    It's not big and it's not clever.

    It's quite good for asthma and other allergies to keep the house cold, provided it isn't damp. It keeps down mites and other allergens.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,091
    Leon said:

    We either fight for the West, or it’s over

    Wtf are you going on about from the comfort of your 5* hotel.
  • TresTres Posts: 3,033
    Trump gonna use this to cancel elections right
  • Leon said:

    We either fight for the West, or it’s over

    Are you off to fight for Ukraine then ?
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,034
    edited September 10
    MattW said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @alexwickham

    ***NEW*** Bloomberg News investigation obtains more than a hundred emails between Peter Mandelson and Jeffrey Epstein

    The day before Epstein went to prison Mandelson wrote “I think the world of you… Fight for early release”

    He said he loved him

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/1965865113577222212

    That's Starmer's opportunity to defenestrate, politely.

    But how to manage the future relations with the USA?

    I wonder if Lord Mandelbrot knew they had been released?
    The highlights of the cache seem to mostly highlights already published elsewhere.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,324
    I am not sure how you get wiped out in 5 overs but England have found a way. Not even remotely close.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,038

    Leon said:

    We either fight for the West, or it’s over

    Are you off to fight for Ukraine then ?
    Or against?
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,160
    algarkirk said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Despite being very interested in American politics I can honestly say I've never heard of Charlie Kirk before. RIP.

    5 million followers on X. Supporter of gun ownership. Charismatic presence and speaking ability. Social media titan. Political views not hard to fathom.

    Tragic, like so much in America.
    If he's a supporter of gun ownership, then

    Why do so many people put up with being cold in their homes?

    It's not big and it's not clever.

    How do you define cold?

    Maybe it's because I am a northern European and feel more comfortable when it is cool indoors, particularly when trying to sleep.

    Also, heating costs money, and if it's not something I am too bothered about, I prefer to spend the money on other things. Surely a concept you have encountered
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,469

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @KevinASchofield
    BREAKING: Bridget Phillipson easily gets more than 80 nominations to put her into the next round of the Labour deputy leadership election.

    Lucy Powell just 3 short with 22 hours to go

    Totals:

    Phillipson - 116
    Powell - 77
    Bell Ribeiro-Addy - 15
    Barker - 14
    Thornberry - 13

    Easy to call it. Just like the Liz Truss election, Useless Lucy gets into next phase the Unions and Labour Members will place a tiara of Deputy Leadership on her head.
    Though they will have to watch out for the dandruff.
    Did you see Phillipson speaking at the TUC? She has it in the bag.
    Doesn’t matter what she said or how she said it, the one with zero personality is the Starmer candidate and this is “a balls to you and your reshuffle Starmer” election for the vast majority of Union and Party Members.

    This is a betting site, and I’m calling it already in the bag for useless Lucy.
    Powell is the one with personality?
    It’s a close call, but Phillipson is one unique kind of personality vacuum.
    Who has the better hair in your estimation? I think Powell.

    Phillipson has a rather strong resemblance to Mary from "Our Friends in the North". I wonder how much of this is conscious.

    Mary from Our Friends in the North?

    Not even close. Try Wendolene Ramsbottom.

    As for Powell, I’ll defer detailed comment except to say, I don’t think she even owns a hair brush. I don’t mean that in a mean way, it’s, looking at pictures from throughout her career, she seems comfortable beneath however it’s looking.

    Also, in a run off of Tory faithful, pre shredding his credibility Rishi Sunak cannot possibly be thumped in leadership election by Liz Truss? Ditto for this Labour Leadership contest - the unions and Labour members are the electorate.
    It would be oddly satisfying if the LDL election boils down to two long-haired women fighting over a hair brush.
    I didn’t realise such a nothing role could come with fringe benefits.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,974

    In case there were any doubts...


    Zarah Sultana MP
    @zarahsultana

    We are not here to beg for crumbs off the table.

    We are taking the fucking lot.

    https://x.com/zarahsultana/status/1965808012729487550

    Better prose than Starmer tbf
    It’s been like waking up in the nineteen fucking thirties today 😕
    More akin to the 1960s, I think.

    Same US culture war, and also a time of extreme political violence.

    The culture war is in some respects even more extreme than back then.
    I sincerely hope the violence won't go that way too.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,010

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    That's a huge fucking hell moment. And the shooter is still at large apparently.

    It is, and the nutters are already using it as a rallying cry for a civil war.
    Nutter 1 is @Leon
    I’m chilling out with a free glass of Cannonau in Sardinia!

    Not that insane

    I am merely pointing out the Directionality of the Moment. The Left apparently wants war to defend Wokeness

    If that’s what they want, it will happen
    Are you going to try the local cheese?
    *shudder*
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,956
    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Despite being very interested in American politics I can honestly say I've never heard of Charlie Kirk before. RIP.

    Yeah never heard of the dude.
    He was a very important figure behind Trump. He was a massive conspiracy theorist and Trump supporter (doesn't believe in climate change, doesn't believe in COVID-19 vaccines, called social distancing a "Democratic plot against Christianity", anti-birth control, organised and funded buses to Jan 6, promoted Great Replacement Theory, antisemitic, anti-gay, anti-Ukraine).
    So he deserved to die?

    Be honest, that’s what you really think
    You pissed
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,038

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @KevinASchofield
    BREAKING: Bridget Phillipson easily gets more than 80 nominations to put her into the next round of the Labour deputy leadership election.

    Lucy Powell just 3 short with 22 hours to go

    Totals:

    Phillipson - 116
    Powell - 77
    Bell Ribeiro-Addy - 15
    Barker - 14
    Thornberry - 13

    Easy to call it. Just like the Liz Truss election, Useless Lucy gets into next phase the Unions and Labour Members will place a tiara of Deputy Leadership on her head.
    Though they will have to watch out for the dandruff.
    Did you see Phillipson speaking at the TUC? She has it in the bag.
    Doesn’t matter what she said or how she said it, the one with zero personality is the Starmer candidate and this is “a balls to you and your reshuffle Starmer” election for the vast majority of Union and Party Members.

    This is a betting site, and I’m calling it already in the bag for useless Lucy.
    Powell is the one with personality?
    It’s a close call, but Phillipson is one unique kind of personality vacuum.
    Who has the better hair in your estimation? I think Powell.

    Phillipson has a rather strong resemblance to Mary from "Our Friends in the North". I wonder how much of this is conscious.

    Mary from Our Friends in the North?

    Not even close. Try Wendolene Ramsbottom.

    As for Powell, I’ll defer detailed comment except to say, I don’t think she even owns a hair brush. I don’t mean that in a mean way, it’s, looking at pictures from throughout her career, she seems comfortable beneath however it’s looking.

    Also, in a run off of Tory faithful, pre shredding his credibility Rishi Sunak cannot possibly be thumped in leadership election by Liz Truss? Ditto for this Labour Leadership contest - the unions and Labour members are the electorate.
    It would be oddly satisfying if the LDL election boils down to two long-haired women fighting over a hair brush.
    I didn’t realise such a nothing role could come with fringe benefits.
    The contest between them might go with a bang.
  • Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    TOPPING said:

    That's a huge fucking hell moment. And the shooter is still at large apparently.

    Trump to declare martial law by Monday?
    In the reddest of red states?

    As Kirk has said in the past. The Second Ammendment is not there for hunting, nor even personal defence, it is so citizens can resist tyrannical government.

    Orwell said much the same in 1941 "That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there". This was in the context of the Home Guard.

    There is some truth in what they say. Heavy weapons, tanks, airplanes etc are instruments of organised states, but any citizen can aspire to a rifle.
    How is that going?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,273
    Weirdest thing is for people on PB, arguably amongst the most politically savvy, not having heard of Charlie Kirk.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,010
    nico67 said:

    There have been 5,700 mass shootings in the USA since 2013 . A horrific statistic .

    Really?
    I know there's a lot, but that's insane. More than one a day, I think? Can that really be true?
    FWIW, while I agree the American addiction to guns is very odd and a significant cause of this, it's not the sole cause. Other countries have gun ownership too, if not an American scale. The fact that they have so many mad bastards must be a large part of it too.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,613
    edited September 10

    dixiedean said:

    Can I be the first to point out that you can't rise up in revolt and cause a Civil War when your own side is the fucking government.

    Arguably, that's exactly what King Charles I did when he raised his standard at Nottingham in 1642
    Arguably that was a dispute about supremacy between different branches of the government.
    That's not uncommon.
    Trump controls them all.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,209
    I fear we might get a lot of theatrical posts from Leon tonight .

    I can sum things up as gun nut who said deaths were worth it to protect the 2nd amendment ends up being one of those deaths .

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,862
    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    TOPPING said:

    That's a huge fucking hell moment. And the shooter is still at large apparently.

    Trump to declare martial law by Monday?
    In the reddest of red states?

    As Kirk has said in the past. The Second Ammendment is not there for hunting, nor even personal defence, it is so citizens can resist tyrannical government.

    Orwell said much the same in 1941 "That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there". This was in the context of the Home Guard.

    There is some truth in what they say. Heavy weapons, tanks, airplanes etc are instruments of organised states, but any citizen can aspire to a rifle.
    2nd amendment begins with the context of states militia. Not individual gun ownership. This is of course a perennial debate in US.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,613
    Nigelb said:

    In case there were any doubts...


    Zarah Sultana MP
    @zarahsultana

    We are not here to beg for crumbs off the table.

    We are taking the fucking lot.

    https://x.com/zarahsultana/status/1965808012729487550

    Better prose than Starmer tbf
    It’s been like waking up in the nineteen fucking thirties today 😕
    More akin to the 1960s, I think.

    Same US culture war, and also a time of extreme political violence.

    The culture war is in some respects even more extreme than back then.
    I sincerely hope the violence won't go that way too.
    Maybe the music will come too, given time.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,091
    ...
    malcolmg said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Despite being very interested in American politics I can honestly say I've never heard of Charlie Kirk before. RIP.

    Yeah never heard of the dude.
    He was a very important figure behind Trump. He was a massive conspiracy theorist and Trump supporter (doesn't believe in climate change, doesn't believe in COVID-19 vaccines, called social distancing a "Democratic plot against Christianity", anti-birth control, organised and funded buses to Jan 6, promoted Great Replacement Theory, antisemitic, anti-gay, anti-Ukraine).
    So he deserved to die?

    Be honest, that’s what you really think
    You pissed
    Is the Pope Catholic?
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,160
    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Can I be the first to point out that you can't rise up in revolt and cause a Civil War when your own side is the fucking government.

    Arguably, that's exactly what King Charles I did when he raised his standard at Nottingham in 1642
    Arguably that was a dispute about supremacy between different branches of the government.
    That's not uncommon.
    Trump controls them all.
    Indeed it was, but I think we can assume the King was the Executive part of government in this instance
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,974
    TOPPING said:

    Weirdest thing is for people on PB, arguably amongst the most politically savvy, not having heard of Charlie Kirk.

    Not entirely; we're, most of us, ageing.
  • TresTres Posts: 3,033

    Leon said:

    We either fight for the West, or it’s over

    Wtf are you going on about from the comfort of your 5* hotel.
    he wants a race war, this is the greatest day of his year
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,034
    dixiedean said:

    Nigelb said:

    In case there were any doubts...


    Zarah Sultana MP
    @zarahsultana

    We are not here to beg for crumbs off the table.

    We are taking the fucking lot.

    https://x.com/zarahsultana/status/1965808012729487550

    Better prose than Starmer tbf
    It’s been like waking up in the nineteen fucking thirties today 😕
    More akin to the 1960s, I think.

    Same US culture war, and also a time of extreme political violence.

    The culture war is in some respects even more extreme than back then.
    I sincerely hope the violence won't go that way too.
    Maybe the music will come too, given time.
    One would have hopes for rap, but it seems to be mostly about bitches and money rather than fighting the power these days.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,698
    nico67 said:

    There have been 5,700 mass shootings in the USA since 2013 . A horrific statistic .

    US shootings knock about a year of life expectancy. And all those dead kids are a big part of it.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,469
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @KevinASchofield
    BREAKING: Bridget Phillipson easily gets more than 80 nominations to put her into the next round of the Labour deputy leadership election.

    Lucy Powell just 3 short with 22 hours to go

    Totals:

    Phillipson - 116
    Powell - 77
    Bell Ribeiro-Addy - 15
    Barker - 14
    Thornberry - 13

    Easy to call it. Just like the Liz Truss election, Useless Lucy gets into next phase the Unions and Labour Members will place a tiara of Deputy Leadership on her head.
    Though they will have to watch out for the dandruff.
    Did you see Phillipson speaking at the TUC? She has it in the bag.
    Doesn’t matter what she said or how she said it, the one with zero personality is the Starmer candidate and this is “a balls to you and your reshuffle Starmer” election for the vast majority of Union and Party Members.

    This is a betting site, and I’m calling it already in the bag for useless Lucy.
    Powell is the one with personality?
    It’s a close call, but Phillipson is one unique kind of personality vacuum.
    Who has the better hair in your estimation? I think Powell.

    Phillipson has a rather strong resemblance to Mary from "Our Friends in the North". I wonder how much of this is conscious.

    Mary from Our Friends in the North?

    Not even close. Try Wendolene Ramsbottom.

    As for Powell, I’ll defer detailed comment except to say, I don’t think she even owns a hair brush. I don’t mean that in a mean way, it’s, looking at pictures from throughout her career, she seems comfortable beneath however it’s looking.

    Also, in a run off of Tory faithful, pre shredding his credibility Rishi Sunak cannot possibly be thumped in leadership election by Liz Truss? Ditto for this Labour Leadership contest - the unions and Labour members are the electorate.
    It would be oddly satisfying if the LDL election boils down to two long-haired women fighting over a hair brush.
    Phillipson has more of a long bob.

    I think she would come over as a bit more empathetic with a pixie cut.

    A long bob looks too severe. Stella Creasy has the best haircut in Parliament.

    “Stella Creasy has the best haircut in Parliament”

    Not even in top 20. It’s like an 80s pop star, where I think the idea was to look boyish and not girly. Styled by the Animus, I shall call it.
    Is that your thing Foxy? Was that the era you came of age perhaps?
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 6,094
    nico67 said:

    I fear we might get a lot of theatrical posts from Leon tonight .

    I can sum things up as gun nut who said deaths were worth it to protect the 2nd amendment ends up being one of those deaths .

    Sounds like you are rather pleased
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,209
    Cookie said:

    nico67 said:

    There have been 5,700 mass shootings in the USA since 2013 . A horrific statistic .

    Really?
    I know there's a lot, but that's insane. More than one a day, I think? Can that really be true?
    FWIW, while I agree the American addiction to guns is very odd and a significant cause of this, it's not the sole cause. Other countries have gun ownership too, if not an American scale. The fact that they have so many mad bastards must be a large part of it too.
    A mass shooting is classed as 4 or more people shot . You’re right it’s not just about gun ownership but this makes it all the more disturbing .
  • Nigelb said:

    TOPPING said:

    Weirdest thing is for people on PB, arguably amongst the most politically savvy, not having heard of Charlie Kirk.

    Not entirely; we're, most of us, ageing.
    I admit I have no idea who he is and I am definitely 'aged'
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,849
    nico67 said:

    I fear we might get a lot of theatrical posts from Leon tonight .

    I can sum things up as gun nut who said deaths were worth it to protect the 2nd amendment ends up being one of those deaths .

    Americans don't care enough about US gun violence to take any steps to stop it. So I struggle to see why I should care about it if they don't.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,324
    TOPPING said:

    Weirdest thing is for people on PB, arguably amongst the most politically savvy, not having heard of Charlie Kirk.

    TBH I put my hands up. Having read the Wiki page etc he does ring vague bells but had you asked me this morning I wouldn't have had a clue.
  • TOPPING said:

    Weirdest thing is for people on PB, arguably amongst the most politically savvy, not having heard of Charlie Kirk.

    Lots of his work on YouTube.

    I would have thought that anyone who watches US politics videos on YouTube would have come across him.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,956
    TOPPING said:

    Weirdest thing is for people on PB, arguably amongst the most politically savvy, not having heard of Charlie Kirk.

    Must say I have / had never heard of him, usuual US "Worldwide" type thing
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,698
    MattW said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @alexwickham

    ***NEW*** Bloomberg News investigation obtains more than a hundred emails between Peter Mandelson and Jeffrey Epstein

    The day before Epstein went to prison Mandelson wrote “I think the world of you… Fight for early release”

    He said he loved him

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/1965865113577222212

    That's Starmer's opportunity to defenestrate, politely.

    But how to manage the future relations with the USA?

    I wonder if Lord Mandelbrot knew they had been released?
    Hmm. Of course he did ... he said so.

    Parliament rising on 17 September.

    So Trump due Sept 17 -19.

    Defenestration next week, I argue.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,538
    DavidL said:

    I am not sure how you get wiped out in 5 overs but England have found a way. Not even remotely close.

    They had to get 14/over, not easy!
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,611
    edited September 10
    Evening, PB. Larry Ellison has replaced Elon Musk as the world's richest man. Good news.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,669
    TOPPING said:

    Weirdest thing is for people on PB, arguably amongst the most politically savvy, not having heard of Charlie Kirk.

    Indeed, he got the high distinction of making it onto South Park, imitated by Cartman.

    America is in a very bad place, isn't it.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,974
    I don't think anyone who's salivating at the prospect of mass political violence or civil war has the foggiest idea of how bad those things are in real life. It's beyond their memory and their imagination.
    https://x.com/yuanyi_z/status/1965873236853535118


    There’s a line in A Dance to the Music of Time that goes something along the lines of ‘great evil is dreamt up in quiet sunny gardens, not in the trench’..
    https://x.com/bohrinng/status/1965875593947574674


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