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  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,577

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I won't be able to fly my flag of St George anymore? That's a real blow.
    What we gonna do when alt-right populism fails utterly to deliver on its snake oil promises and falls into utter contempt?



    Vote jezbollah. It’s perfectly possible. If the hard right fails then try the hard left

    We are in the 1930s redux
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,237

    kle4 said:

    Eabhal said:

    MattW said:

    Cookie said:

    dixiedean said:

    Battlebus said:

    I have come to the conclusion that we hate children as much as we hate immigrants. Was told about a local parish in Kent where the Parish Council leader (over 80) has had the chains of the swings cut (for health and safety issues!). They are also sitting on about £60k of grant which they could spend on replacing the equipment but the leader wants to send the money back to the County instead of improvements.

    So high house prices, high rents, expensive school clothing and pay for your own tertiary education while inviting the tertiary educated from other countries. We've lost all reason - by choice - as we could have had family supportive policies.

    Yep.
    No ball games. No speed restrictions. I'm intimidated by them hanging out in groups.
    And why oh why do they never play out?
    I saw this today. It made me sad. It turns out to be a story which is 18 years old but I think it still has currency.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-462091/How-children-lost-right-roam-generations.html

    It reflects my own experience - at 8, I had the whole of our estate* and the fields behind in which to roam, but we don't let our own kids roam that far or operate that independently. I'd like to have given them more independence, but the culture is just that it isn't done, and if you let your 8 year old get to and from school on their own you'd soon get some questions from the authorities.

    That said, I'm happy to report that our kids still achieve independence, just slightly later: my 15 year old frequently goes into Manchester or other locations reachable by public transport, and has had a day out to York over the holidays with friends and without adult supervision, and is looking for other opportunities; and my 13 year old isn't far behind her.


    *it was a housing estate. I'm not some duke.
    That is one of my standard thought-provoker images to start conversations :smile: .
    You may be aware of an 11-year old child who got killed while cycling to school in Edinburgh. Bin lorry driver convicted, had spent most of his shift on his phone. 12 month driving ban.

    There were hundreds of comments at the time and recently at the sentence that pinned the blame on the parents for allowing him to cycle to school. It's seen as negligence nowadays.
    I'd read that in one US state it was against the law for parents to leave a 10 year old on their own for a few hours. I don't know if that is true, but I am curious at what age it would be considered ok, regardless of what the law is. Teenager ok, but lower than that unacceptable?
    My son is eleven. From ten, we'd leave him alone for an hour in the house whilst we go out for a run. I wouldn't extend that much at the moment - not because I don't trust him, but about how he'd react to the unexpected. You get subtle cues he's ready: a parcel delivery guy came a while back, and I asked him to take it in. It wasn't for us, but he knew the neighbours, accepted the parcel, and locked the door afterwards.

    Kids grow up at different rates. They are individuals. You can trust some to do some things at a certain age, but not others. But those kids might not be ready for other things. Some adults might not be...

    And that's the problem with such laws. Some kids might be emotionally and physically ready to have sex at 16. Some people are not in such a state at 20, or older. But there has to be an age, and unlike driving, there is no test.

    As a parent, you just have to look at your kid and ask "What are they ready for?"
    Isn't the law 14?

    Pretty sure it was the law when I was a kid.
    "children aged 12 or older should only be left alone for long periods of time when both the child feels safe and the parent feels they’re ready
    children under 12 are rarely mature enough to be left alone for long periods of time
    babies, toddlers and very young children should never be left alone"

    https://www.gov.uk/law-on-leaving-your-child-home-alone

    Which comes down to many factors, including the definition of "long periods of time".

    I think that's about right for our son. Others may differ.
    Is that the law or just advice.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,651
    TOPPING said:

    kle4 said:

    Eabhal said:

    MattW said:

    Cookie said:

    dixiedean said:

    Battlebus said:

    I have come to the conclusion that we hate children as much as we hate immigrants. Was told about a local parish in Kent where the Parish Council leader (over 80) has had the chains of the swings cut (for health and safety issues!). They are also sitting on about £60k of grant which they could spend on replacing the equipment but the leader wants to send the money back to the County instead of improvements.

    So high house prices, high rents, expensive school clothing and pay for your own tertiary education while inviting the tertiary educated from other countries. We've lost all reason - by choice - as we could have had family supportive policies.

    Yep.
    No ball games. No speed restrictions. I'm intimidated by them hanging out in groups.
    And why oh why do they never play out?
    I saw this today. It made me sad. It turns out to be a story which is 18 years old but I think it still has currency.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-462091/How-children-lost-right-roam-generations.html

    It reflects my own experience - at 8, I had the whole of our estate* and the fields behind in which to roam, but we don't let our own kids roam that far or operate that independently. I'd like to have given them more independence, but the culture is just that it isn't done, and if you let your 8 year old get to and from school on their own you'd soon get some questions from the authorities.

    That said, I'm happy to report that our kids still achieve independence, just slightly later: my 15 year old frequently goes into Manchester or other locations reachable by public transport, and has had a day out to York over the holidays with friends and without adult supervision, and is looking for other opportunities; and my 13 year old isn't far behind her.


    *it was a housing estate. I'm not some duke.
    That is one of my standard thought-provoker images to start conversations :smile: .
    You may be aware of an 11-year old child who got killed while cycling to school in Edinburgh. Bin lorry driver convicted, had spent most of his shift on his phone. 12 month driving ban.

    There were hundreds of comments at the time and recently at the sentence that pinned the blame on the parents for allowing him to cycle to school. It's seen as negligence nowadays.
    I'd read that in one US state it was against the law for parents to leave a 10 year old on their own for a few hours. I don't know if that is true, but I am curious at what age it would be considered ok, regardless of what the law is. Teenager ok, but lower than that unacceptable?
    My son is eleven. From ten, we'd leave him alone for an hour in the house whilst we go out for a run. I wouldn't extend that much at the moment - not because I don't trust him, but about how he'd react to the unexpected. You get subtle cues he's ready: a parcel delivery guy came a while back, and I asked him to take it in. It wasn't for us, but he knew the neighbours, accepted the parcel, and locked the door afterwards.

    Kids grow up at different rates. They are individuals. You can trust some to do some things at a certain age, but not others. But those kids might not be ready for other things. Some adults might not be...

    And that's the problem with such laws. Some kids might be emotionally and physically ready to have sex at 16. Some people are not in such a state at 20, or older. But there has to be an age, and unlike driving, there is no test.

    As a parent, you just have to look at your kid and ask "What are they ready for?"
    Isn't the law 14?

    Pretty sure it was the law when I was a kid.
    "children aged 12 or older should only be left alone for long periods of time when both the child feels safe and the parent feels they’re ready
    children under 12 are rarely mature enough to be left alone for long periods of time
    babies, toddlers and very young children should never be left alone"

    https://www.gov.uk/law-on-leaving-your-child-home-alone

    Which comes down to many factors, including the definition of "long periods of time".

    I think that's about right for our son. Others may differ.
    Is that the law or just advice.
    Absolutely no idea.
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,626
    nico67 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I won't be able to fly my flag of St George anymore? That's a real blow.
    What we gonna do when alt-right populism fails utterly to deliver on its snake oil promises and falls into utter contempt?
    The 600,000 adults scheduled for deportation will become 6,000,000. And when that doesn't stop the rapes and crime (mostly committed by people like us...) it'll be anyone who are, or look, different.
    Yes once removing migrants doesn’t do the job of cheering up the public they’ll move onto the next scapegoats . The Trumpification of the UK will go into warp drive with Reform in power .
    Course they will. Have a lie down pet. You’re stressing yourself.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,520
    Factoid of the day?


    David Brindle
    @DavidJ_Brindle
    ·
    32m
    There are too many charities doing the same things but numbers continue to rise - a record 1,000 applications in July.

    Reckon @ChtyCommission needs to raise the bar.

    https://x.com/DavidJ_Brindle/status/1960387252082593951
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,626

    TOPPING said:

    kle4 said:

    Eabhal said:

    MattW said:

    Cookie said:

    dixiedean said:

    Battlebus said:

    I have come to the conclusion that we hate children as much as we hate immigrants. Was told about a local parish in Kent where the Parish Council leader (over 80) has had the chains of the swings cut (for health and safety issues!). They are also sitting on about £60k of grant which they could spend on replacing the equipment but the leader wants to send the money back to the County instead of improvements.

    So high house prices, high rents, expensive school clothing and pay for your own tertiary education while inviting the tertiary educated from other countries. We've lost all reason - by choice - as we could have had family supportive policies.

    Yep.
    No ball games. No speed restrictions. I'm intimidated by them hanging out in groups.
    And why oh why do they never play out?
    I saw this today. It made me sad. It turns out to be a story which is 18 years old but I think it still has currency.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-462091/How-children-lost-right-roam-generations.html

    It reflects my own experience - at 8, I had the whole of our estate* and the fields behind in which to roam, but we don't let our own kids roam that far or operate that independently. I'd like to have given them more independence, but the culture is just that it isn't done, and if you let your 8 year old get to and from school on their own you'd soon get some questions from the authorities.

    That said, I'm happy to report that our kids still achieve independence, just slightly later: my 15 year old frequently goes into Manchester or other locations reachable by public transport, and has had a day out to York over the holidays with friends and without adult supervision, and is looking for other opportunities; and my 13 year old isn't far behind her.


    *it was a housing estate. I'm not some duke.
    That is one of my standard thought-provoker images to start conversations :smile: .
    You may be aware of an 11-year old child who got killed while cycling to school in Edinburgh. Bin lorry driver convicted, had spent most of his shift on his phone. 12 month driving ban.

    There were hundreds of comments at the time and recently at the sentence that pinned the blame on the parents for allowing him to cycle to school. It's seen as negligence nowadays.
    I'd read that in one US state it was against the law for parents to leave a 10 year old on their own for a few hours. I don't know if that is true, but I am curious at what age it would be considered ok, regardless of what the law is. Teenager ok, but lower than that unacceptable?
    My son is eleven. From ten, we'd leave him alone for an hour in the house whilst we go out for a run. I wouldn't extend that much at the moment - not because I don't trust him, but about how he'd react to the unexpected. You get subtle cues he's ready: a parcel delivery guy came a while back, and I asked him to take it in. It wasn't for us, but he knew the neighbours, accepted the parcel, and locked the door afterwards.

    Kids grow up at different rates. They are individuals. You can trust some to do some things at a certain age, but not others. But those kids might not be ready for other things. Some adults might not be...

    And that's the problem with such laws. Some kids might be emotionally and physically ready to have sex at 16. Some people are not in such a state at 20, or older. But there has to be an age, and unlike driving, there is no test.

    As a parent, you just have to look at your kid and ask "What are they ready for?"
    Isn't the law 14?

    Pretty sure it was the law when I was a kid.
    "children aged 12 or older should only be left alone for long periods of time when both the child feels safe and the parent feels they’re ready
    children under 12 are rarely mature enough to be left alone for long periods of time
    babies, toddlers and very young children should never be left alone"

    https://www.gov.uk/law-on-leaving-your-child-home-alone

    Which comes down to many factors, including the definition of "long periods of time".

    I think that's about right for our son. Others may differ.
    Is that the law or just advice.
    Absolutely no idea.
    Probably the most apt thing you’ve said since you’ve been here 👍
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,128

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I won't be able to fly my flag of St George anymore? That's a real blow.
    What we gonna do when alt-right populism fails utterly to deliver on its snake oil promises and falls into utter contempt?



    I think we have barbarism pencilled in for then.
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,626
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I won't be able to fly my flag of St George anymore? That's a real blow.
    What we gonna do when alt-right populism fails utterly to deliver on its snake oil promises and falls into utter contempt?



    Vote jezbollah. It’s perfectly possible. If the hard right fails then try the hard left

    We are in the 1930s redux
    we have tried labour and Tory and the Lib Dem’s. All have been useless. Why not try Reform or the Jezziah party.
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,626

    Factoid of the day?


    David Brindle
    @DavidJ_Brindle
    ·
    32m
    There are too many charities doing the same things but numbers continue to rise - a record 1,000 applications in July.

    Reckon @ChtyCommission needs to raise the bar.

    https://x.com/DavidJ_Brindle/status/1960387252082593951

    Ker Ching.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,520

    TOPPING said:

    kle4 said:

    Eabhal said:

    MattW said:

    Cookie said:

    dixiedean said:

    Battlebus said:

    I have come to the conclusion that we hate children as much as we hate immigrants. Was told about a local parish in Kent where the Parish Council leader (over 80) has had the chains of the swings cut (for health and safety issues!). They are also sitting on about £60k of grant which they could spend on replacing the equipment but the leader wants to send the money back to the County instead of improvements.

    So high house prices, high rents, expensive school clothing and pay for your own tertiary education while inviting the tertiary educated from other countries. We've lost all reason - by choice - as we could have had family supportive policies.

    Yep.
    No ball games. No speed restrictions. I'm intimidated by them hanging out in groups.
    And why oh why do they never play out?
    I saw this today. It made me sad. It turns out to be a story which is 18 years old but I think it still has currency.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-462091/How-children-lost-right-roam-generations.html

    It reflects my own experience - at 8, I had the whole of our estate* and the fields behind in which to roam, but we don't let our own kids roam that far or operate that independently. I'd like to have given them more independence, but the culture is just that it isn't done, and if you let your 8 year old get to and from school on their own you'd soon get some questions from the authorities.

    That said, I'm happy to report that our kids still achieve independence, just slightly later: my 15 year old frequently goes into Manchester or other locations reachable by public transport, and has had a day out to York over the holidays with friends and without adult supervision, and is looking for other opportunities; and my 13 year old isn't far behind her.


    *it was a housing estate. I'm not some duke.
    That is one of my standard thought-provoker images to start conversations :smile: .
    You may be aware of an 11-year old child who got killed while cycling to school in Edinburgh. Bin lorry driver convicted, had spent most of his shift on his phone. 12 month driving ban.

    There were hundreds of comments at the time and recently at the sentence that pinned the blame on the parents for allowing him to cycle to school. It's seen as negligence nowadays.
    I'd read that in one US state it was against the law for parents to leave a 10 year old on their own for a few hours. I don't know if that is true, but I am curious at what age it would be considered ok, regardless of what the law is. Teenager ok, but lower than that unacceptable?
    My son is eleven. From ten, we'd leave him alone for an hour in the house whilst we go out for a run. I wouldn't extend that much at the moment - not because I don't trust him, but about how he'd react to the unexpected. You get subtle cues he's ready: a parcel delivery guy came a while back, and I asked him to take it in. It wasn't for us, but he knew the neighbours, accepted the parcel, and locked the door afterwards.

    Kids grow up at different rates. They are individuals. You can trust some to do some things at a certain age, but not others. But those kids might not be ready for other things. Some adults might not be...

    And that's the problem with such laws. Some kids might be emotionally and physically ready to have sex at 16. Some people are not in such a state at 20, or older. But there has to be an age, and unlike driving, there is no test.

    As a parent, you just have to look at your kid and ask "What are they ready for?"
    Isn't the law 14?

    Pretty sure it was the law when I was a kid.
    "children aged 12 or older should only be left alone for long periods of time when both the child feels safe and the parent feels they’re ready
    children under 12 are rarely mature enough to be left alone for long periods of time
    babies, toddlers and very young children should never be left alone"

    https://www.gov.uk/law-on-leaving-your-child-home-alone

    Which comes down to many factors, including the definition of "long periods of time".

    I think that's about right for our son. Others may differ.
    Is that the law or just advice.
    Absolutely no idea.
    It says the law is that it’s an offence to leave a child alone if it places them at risk.

    But gives me age in law.

    I don't know where I got 14 from growing up??? Has it changed?

  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,651
    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I won't be able to fly my flag of St George anymore? That's a real blow.
    What we gonna do when alt-right populism fails utterly to deliver on its snake oil promises and falls into utter contempt?
    The 600,000 adults scheduled for deportation will become 6,000,000.
    🙄.
    Reform - and their acolytes - are blaming the ills of the country on a small subset of people. The problem is, the ills are much wider than that small subset. You could instantly transport every 'immigrant' to the Moon, and girls, boys, men and women will still be being abused on a vast scale in this country.

    And it is a vast scale - the figures show it.

    So if they get to implement their policies, and the policies fail - which they will - it will no longer be just "illegal immigrants". It will be all immigrants. Or anyone who is different.

    As we have seen a fair few times in the past.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,520
    Trump: "Anybody murders something [sic] in the capital, capital punishment. Capital, capital punishment"

  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,128

    Trump: "Anybody murders something [sic] in the capital, capital punishment. Capital, capital punishment"

    With a capital C.

  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,577
    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I won't be able to fly my flag of St George anymore? That's a real blow.
    What we gonna do when alt-right populism fails utterly to deliver on its snake oil promises and falls into utter contempt?



    Vote jezbollah. It’s perfectly possible. If the hard right fails then try the hard left

    We are in the 1930s redux
    we have tried labour and Tory and the Lib Dem’s. All have been useless. Why not try Reform or the Jezziah party.
    My editor at the Gazette - a very smart young chap who predicted Badenoch would be exactly what she is - a lightweight failure - is of this opinion. Reform will win, but fail, then voters will swing hard left in desperation

    I’m not quite convinced. Not least because external events are likely to overwhelm domestic politics
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,626

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I won't be able to fly my flag of St George anymore? That's a real blow.
    What we gonna do when alt-right populism fails utterly to deliver on its snake oil promises and falls into utter contempt?
    The 600,000 adults scheduled for deportation will become 6,000,000.
    🙄.
    Reform - and their acolytes - are blaming the ills of the country on a small subset of people. The problem is, the ills are much wider than that small subset. You could instantly transport every 'immigrant' to the Moon, and girls, boys, men and women will still be being abused on a vast scale in this country.

    And it is a vast scale - the figures show it.

    So if they get to implement their policies, and the policies fail - which they will - it will no longer be just "illegal immigrants". It will be all immigrants. Or anyone who is different.

    As we have seen a fair few times in the past.
    Bound to be. Someone on the web said so.

    It won’t stop at 6 million, it’s going to be 60 million.


  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,651
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I won't be able to fly my flag of St George anymore? That's a real blow.
    What we gonna do when alt-right populism fails utterly to deliver on its snake oil promises and falls into utter contempt?
    The 600,000 adults scheduled for deportation will become 6,000,000.
    🙄.
    Reform - and their acolytes - are blaming the ills of the country on a small subset of people. The problem is, the ills are much wider than that small subset. You could instantly transport every 'immigrant' to the Moon, and girls, boys, men and women will still be being abused on a vast scale in this country.

    And it is a vast scale - the figures show it.

    So if they get to implement their policies, and the policies fail - which they will - it will no longer be just "illegal immigrants". It will be all immigrants. Or anyone who is different.

    As we have seen a fair few times in the past.
    Bound to be. Someone on the web said so.

    It won’t stop at 6 million, it’s going to be 60 million.
    Well, that's getting silly. And you don't address my central point - perhaps because you suspect it is true, and you don't like it.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,237

    Factoid of the day?


    David Brindle
    @DavidJ_Brindle
    ·
    32m
    There are too many charities doing the same things but numbers continue to rise - a record 1,000 applications in July.

    Reckon @ChtyCommission needs to raise the bar.

    https://x.com/DavidJ_Brindle/status/1960387252082593951

    There are something like 150 military charities. I believe there is still a Lancaster Tail Gunner's charity although I CBA to google.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 19,528

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I won't be able to fly my flag of St George anymore? That's a real blow.
    What we gonna do when alt-right populism fails utterly to deliver on its snake oil promises and falls into utter contempt?
    The 600,000 adults scheduled for deportation will become 6,000,000.
    🙄.
    Reform - and their acolytes - are blaming the ills of the country on a small subset of people. The problem is, the ills are much wider than that small subset. You could instantly transport every 'immigrant' to the Moon, and girls, boys, men and women will still be being abused on a vast scale in this country.

    And it is a vast scale - the figures show it.

    So if they get to implement their policies, and the policies fail - which they will - it will no longer be just "illegal immigrants". It will be all immigrants. Or anyone who is different.

    As we have seen a fair few times in the past.
    More importantly, there will be a chunky apparatus of the state. They could put up a huge "Mission Accomplished" sign and take the rest of the year off, but that seems optimistic.
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,626
    edited August 26

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I won't be able to fly my flag of St George anymore? That's a real blow.
    What we gonna do when alt-right populism fails utterly to deliver on its snake oil promises and falls into utter contempt?
    The 600,000 adults scheduled for deportation will become 6,000,000.
    🙄.
    Reform - and their acolytes - are blaming the ills of the country on a small subset of people. The problem is, the ills are much wider than that small subset. You could instantly transport every 'immigrant' to the Moon, and girls, boys, men and women will still be being abused on a vast scale in this country.

    And it is a vast scale - the figures show it.

    So if they get to implement their policies, and the policies fail - which they will - it will no longer be just "illegal immigrants". It will be all immigrants. Or anyone who is different.

    As we have seen a fair few times in the past.
    Bound to be. Someone on the web said so.

    It won’t stop at 6 million, it’s going to be 60 million.
    Well, that's getting silly. And you don't address my central point - perhaps because you suspect it is true, and you don't like it.
    No, I’m not addressing it because I think it’s totally untrue and you being typically melodramatic.

    The sheer logistics of removing 600,000 let alone 6,000,000 people is something we have the capability to deliver even over a Parliament.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,869
    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I won't be able to fly my flag of St George anymore? That's a real blow.
    What we gonna do when alt-right populism fails utterly to deliver on its snake oil promises and falls into utter contempt?
    The 600,000 adults scheduled for deportation will become 6,000,000. And when that doesn't stop the rapes and crime (mostly committed by people like us...) it'll be anyone who are, or look, different.
    Yes once removing migrants doesn’t do the job of cheering up the public they’ll move onto the next scapegoats . The Trumpification of the UK will go into warp drive with Reform in power .
    Course they will. Have a lie down pet. You’re stressing yourself.
    I’m not stressing myself thanks . If I want to escape at the time I will .
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,626
    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I won't be able to fly my flag of St George anymore? That's a real blow.
    What we gonna do when alt-right populism fails utterly to deliver on its snake oil promises and falls into utter contempt?
    The 600,000 adults scheduled for deportation will become 6,000,000. And when that doesn't stop the rapes and crime (mostly committed by people like us...) it'll be anyone who are, or look, different.
    Yes once removing migrants doesn’t do the job of cheering up the public they’ll move onto the next scapegoats . The Trumpification of the UK will go into warp drive with Reform in power .
    Course they will. Have a lie down pet. You’re stressing yourself.
    I’m not stressing myself thanks . If I want to escape at the time I will .
    Good, fuck off.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,577
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I won't be able to fly my flag of St George anymore? That's a real blow.
    What we gonna do when alt-right populism fails utterly to deliver on its snake oil promises and falls into utter contempt?
    The 600,000 adults scheduled for deportation will become 6,000,000.
    🙄.
    Reform - and their acolytes - are blaming the ills of the country on a small subset of people. The problem is, the ills are much wider than that small subset. You could instantly transport every 'immigrant' to the Moon, and girls, boys, men and women will still be being abused on a vast scale in this country.

    And it is a vast scale - the figures show it.

    So if they get to implement their policies, and the policies fail - which they will - it will no longer be just "illegal immigrants". It will be all immigrants. Or anyone who is different.

    As we have seen a fair few times in the past.
    Bound to be. Someone on the web said so.

    It won’t stop at 6 million, it’s going to be 60 million.


    I think Richard Tice will personally mow down 600 hundred million people with an eight mile long machine gun. You can see it in his eyes
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,626
    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I won't be able to fly my flag of St George anymore? That's a real blow.
    What we gonna do when alt-right populism fails utterly to deliver on its snake oil promises and falls into utter contempt?
    The 600,000 adults scheduled for deportation will become 6,000,000.
    🙄.
    Reform - and their acolytes - are blaming the ills of the country on a small subset of people. The problem is, the ills are much wider than that small subset. You could instantly transport every 'immigrant' to the Moon, and girls, boys, men and women will still be being abused on a vast scale in this country.

    And it is a vast scale - the figures show it.

    So if they get to implement their policies, and the policies fail - which they will - it will no longer be just "illegal immigrants". It will be all immigrants. Or anyone who is different.

    As we have seen a fair few times in the past.
    Bound to be. Someone on the web said so.

    It won’t stop at 6 million, it’s going to be 60 million.


    I think Richard Tice will personally mow down 600 hundred million people with an eight mile long machine gun. You can see it in his eyes
    From Dubai !!
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,869
    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I won't be able to fly my flag of St George anymore? That's a real blow.
    What we gonna do when alt-right populism fails utterly to deliver on its snake oil promises and falls into utter contempt?
    The 600,000 adults scheduled for deportation will become 6,000,000. And when that doesn't stop the rapes and crime (mostly committed by people like us...) it'll be anyone who are, or look, different.
    Yes once removing migrants doesn’t do the job of cheering up the public they’ll move onto the next scapegoats . The Trumpification of the UK will go into warp drive with Reform in power .
    Course they will. Have a lie down pet. You’re stressing yourself.
    I’m not stressing myself thanks . If I want to escape at the time I will .
    Good, fuck off.
    How lovely . I tend not to tell other posters to fxck off but clearly we’ve touched a nerve and have dared criticise your “ working class hero Farage “ !
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,651

    TOPPING said:

    kle4 said:

    Eabhal said:

    MattW said:

    Cookie said:

    dixiedean said:

    Battlebus said:

    I have come to the conclusion that we hate children as much as we hate immigrants. Was told about a local parish in Kent where the Parish Council leader (over 80) has had the chains of the swings cut (for health and safety issues!). They are also sitting on about £60k of grant which they could spend on replacing the equipment but the leader wants to send the money back to the County instead of improvements.

    So high house prices, high rents, expensive school clothing and pay for your own tertiary education while inviting the tertiary educated from other countries. We've lost all reason - by choice - as we could have had family supportive policies.

    Yep.
    No ball games. No speed restrictions. I'm intimidated by them hanging out in groups.
    And why oh why do they never play out?
    I saw this today. It made me sad. It turns out to be a story which is 18 years old but I think it still has currency.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-462091/How-children-lost-right-roam-generations.html

    It reflects my own experience - at 8, I had the whole of our estate* and the fields behind in which to roam, but we don't let our own kids roam that far or operate that independently. I'd like to have given them more independence, but the culture is just that it isn't done, and if you let your 8 year old get to and from school on their own you'd soon get some questions from the authorities.

    That said, I'm happy to report that our kids still achieve independence, just slightly later: my 15 year old frequently goes into Manchester or other locations reachable by public transport, and has had a day out to York over the holidays with friends and without adult supervision, and is looking for other opportunities; and my 13 year old isn't far behind her.


    *it was a housing estate. I'm not some duke.
    That is one of my standard thought-provoker images to start conversations :smile: .
    You may be aware of an 11-year old child who got killed while cycling to school in Edinburgh. Bin lorry driver convicted, had spent most of his shift on his phone. 12 month driving ban.

    There were hundreds of comments at the time and recently at the sentence that pinned the blame on the parents for allowing him to cycle to school. It's seen as negligence nowadays.
    I'd read that in one US state it was against the law for parents to leave a 10 year old on their own for a few hours. I don't know if that is true, but I am curious at what age it would be considered ok, regardless of what the law is. Teenager ok, but lower than that unacceptable?
    My son is eleven. From ten, we'd leave him alone for an hour in the house whilst we go out for a run. I wouldn't extend that much at the moment - not because I don't trust him, but about how he'd react to the unexpected. You get subtle cues he's ready: a parcel delivery guy came a while back, and I asked him to take it in. It wasn't for us, but he knew the neighbours, accepted the parcel, and locked the door afterwards.

    Kids grow up at different rates. They are individuals. You can trust some to do some things at a certain age, but not others. But those kids might not be ready for other things. Some adults might not be...

    And that's the problem with such laws. Some kids might be emotionally and physically ready to have sex at 16. Some people are not in such a state at 20, or older. But there has to be an age, and unlike driving, there is no test.

    As a parent, you just have to look at your kid and ask "What are they ready for?"
    Isn't the law 14?

    Pretty sure it was the law when I was a kid.
    "children aged 12 or older should only be left alone for long periods of time when both the child feels safe and the parent feels they’re ready
    children under 12 are rarely mature enough to be left alone for long periods of time
    babies, toddlers and very young children should never be left alone"

    https://www.gov.uk/law-on-leaving-your-child-home-alone

    Which comes down to many factors, including the definition of "long periods of time".

    I think that's about right for our son. Others may differ.
    Is that the law or just advice.
    Absolutely no idea.
    It says the law is that it’s an offence to leave a child alone if it places them at risk.

    But gives me age in law.

    I don't know where I got 14 from growing up??? Has it changed?

    I think you probably need to show you did a reasonable internal 'risk assessment'.

    For instance, leaving a ten year old in their home alone for an hour is very different to leaving them alone for the same period in a strange place. Allowing them to walk to the local shop 200 metres away is very different to letting them walk alone in a strange town.

    So what is 'reasonable'?

    I fear this is key to attitude towards the Madeleine McCann disappearance: was it reasonable to leave a three and five year old alone in an unfamiliar hotel room for a few hours, even if that room was partially in sight?

    As another (and less tragic) example: a few weeks ago, staff at an Ironman race noticed a 9-year old boy hanging around in a hospitality tent. It turns out his dad had left him there whilst he raced for up to 18 hours. That, in my mind, was utterly unreasonable.

    https://www.adirondackdailyenterprise.com/news/local-news/2025/07/police-unattended-child-leads-to-mid-ironman-race-arrest/
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,469
    Off topic, but important: Worth Buying:
    Today’s NYT, if only for the front page article, “With Subtle Hand, Beijing Steers New York Elections”.

    (You may be able to get it free. I downloaded it from Memeorandum yesterday.)
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,820
    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I won't be able to fly my flag of St George anymore? That's a real blow.
    What we gonna do when alt-right populism fails utterly to deliver on its snake oil promises and falls into utter contempt?
    The 600,000 adults scheduled for deportation will become 6,000,000. And when that doesn't stop the rapes and crime (mostly committed by people like us...) it'll be anyone who are, or look, different.
    Yes once removing migrants doesn’t do the job of cheering up the public they’ll move onto the next scapegoats . The Trumpification of the UK will go into warp drive with Reform in power .
    Course they will. Have a lie down pet. You’re stressing yourself.
    We can literally see this happening in the US.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,426
    nico67 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I won't be able to fly my flag of St George anymore? That's a real blow.
    What we gonna do when alt-right populism fails utterly to deliver on its snake oil promises and falls into utter contempt?
    The 600,000 adults scheduled for deportation will become 6,000,000. And when that doesn't stop the rapes and crime (mostly committed by people like us...) it'll be anyone who are, or look, different.
    Yes once removing migrants doesn’t do the job of cheering up the public they’ll move onto the next scapegoats . The Trumpification of the UK will go into warp drive with Reform in power .
    Yes, I wouldn’t like to be a Scot under a Reform government…… oh!
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,651
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I won't be able to fly my flag of St George anymore? That's a real blow.
    What we gonna do when alt-right populism fails utterly to deliver on its snake oil promises and falls into utter contempt?
    The 600,000 adults scheduled for deportation will become 6,000,000.
    🙄.
    Reform - and their acolytes - are blaming the ills of the country on a small subset of people. The problem is, the ills are much wider than that small subset. You could instantly transport every 'immigrant' to the Moon, and girls, boys, men and women will still be being abused on a vast scale in this country.

    And it is a vast scale - the figures show it.

    So if they get to implement their policies, and the policies fail - which they will - it will no longer be just "illegal immigrants". It will be all immigrants. Or anyone who is different.

    As we have seen a fair few times in the past.
    Bound to be. Someone on the web said so.

    It won’t stop at 6 million, it’s going to be 60 million.
    Well, that's getting silly. And you don't address my central point - perhaps because you suspect it is true, and you don't like it.
    No, I’m not addressing it because I think it’s totally untrue and you being typically melodramatic.

    The sheer logistics of removing 600,000 let alone 6,000,000 people is something we have the capability to deliver even over a Parliament.
    A parliament is usually four to five years. There are plenty of precedents for removing hundreds of thousands of 'undesirables' within such a period, particularly if you disregard the law and morality. And more.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,875

    Trump: "Anybody murders something [sic] in the capital, capital punishment. Capital, capital punishment"

    Take your victim out to the country first.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,403

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I won't be able to fly my flag of St George anymore? That's a real blow.
    What we gonna do when alt-right populism fails utterly to deliver on its snake oil promises and falls into utter contempt?

    That's your comfort blanket. Your real terror is that it works. Just like Katherine Birbalsingh's old-fashioned strict school works. Imagine if Farage sends back quite a lot, and then others decide against coming. How awful. What a terrible message that would send. Tee hee.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,577
    edited August 26
    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I won't be able to fly my flag of St George anymore? That's a real blow.
    What we gonna do when alt-right populism fails utterly to deliver on its snake oil promises and falls into utter contempt?
    The 600,000 adults scheduled for deportation will become 6,000,000. And when that doesn't stop the rapes and crime (mostly committed by people like us...) it'll be anyone who are, or look, different.
    Yes once removing migrants doesn’t do the job of cheering up the public they’ll move onto the next scapegoats . The Trumpification of the UK will go into warp drive with Reform in power .
    Course they will. Have a lie down pet. You’re stressing yourself.
    I’m not stressing myself thanks . If I want to escape at the time I will .
    Good, fuck off.
    How lovely . I tend not to tell other posters to fxck off but clearly we’ve touched a nerve and have dared criticise your “ working class hero Farage “ !
    Mister @Taz votes Labour, I believe

    A lot of people on here are hyperventilating at the prospect of a populist right party gaining power. They should ask themselves why that is now a very real prospect - because of decades of grotesque errors by the Tories AND Labour, especially on immigration, but other things too

    Anyway it’s now time for us all to support Big Nigel and pray that he succeeds. Coz after him - if he fails - it might be something much worse (of left OR right)

    Coincidentally I’ve just read a guide to Austria and it claims Arnold Schwarzenegger is “probably the most famous Austrian in history”

    Er….
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,869

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I won't be able to fly my flag of St George anymore? That's a real blow.
    What we gonna do when alt-right populism fails utterly to deliver on its snake oil promises and falls into utter contempt?
    The 600,000 adults scheduled for deportation will become 6,000,000. And when that doesn't stop the rapes and crime (mostly committed by people like us...) it'll be anyone who are, or look, different.
    Yes once removing migrants doesn’t do the job of cheering up the public they’ll move onto the next scapegoats . The Trumpification of the UK will go into warp drive with Reform in power .
    Course they will. Have a lie down pet. You’re stressing yourself.
    We can literally see this happening in the US.
    You’re wasting your time . Like some Trump voters who thought bad things would only happen to other people and then when they started effecting their own lives have buyers remorse .
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,651
    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I won't be able to fly my flag of St George anymore? That's a real blow.
    What we gonna do when alt-right populism fails utterly to deliver on its snake oil promises and falls into utter contempt?
    The 600,000 adults scheduled for deportation will become 6,000,000. And when that doesn't stop the rapes and crime (mostly committed by people like us...) it'll be anyone who are, or look, different.
    Yes once removing migrants doesn’t do the job of cheering up the public they’ll move onto the next scapegoats . The Trumpification of the UK will go into warp drive with Reform in power .
    Course they will. Have a lie down pet. You’re stressing yourself.
    We can literally see this happening in the US.
    You’re wasting your time . Like some Trump voters who thought bad things would only happen to other people and then when they started effecting their own lives have buyers remorse .
    The classic "Leopards Eating People's Faces Party"
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,426
    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I won't be able to fly my flag of St George anymore? That's a real blow.
    What we gonna do when alt-right populism fails utterly to deliver on its snake oil promises and falls into utter contempt?
    The 600,000 adults scheduled for deportation will become 6,000,000. And when that doesn't stop the rapes and crime (mostly committed by people like us...) it'll be anyone who are, or look, different.
    Yes once removing migrants doesn’t do the job of cheering up the public they’ll move onto the next scapegoats . The Trumpification of the UK will go into warp drive with Reform in power .
    Course they will. Have a lie down pet. You’re stressing yourself.
    I’m not stressing myself thanks . If I want to escape at the time I will .
    Good, fuck off.
    How lovely . I tend not to tell other posters to fxck off but clearly we’ve touched a nerve and have dared criticise your “ working class hero Farage “ !
    Mister @Taz votes Labour, I believe

    A lot of people on here are hyperventilating at the prospect of a populist right party gaining power. They should ask themselves why that is now a very real prospect - because of decades of grotesque errors by the Tories AND Labour, especially on immigration, but other things too

    Anyway it’s now time for us all to support Big Nigel and pray that he succeeds. Coz after him - if he fails - it might be something much worse (of left OR right)

    Coincidentally I’ve just read a guide to Austria and it claims Arnold Schwarzenegger is “probably the most famous Austrian in history”

    Er….
    They won’t want to publicise the other famous Austrian.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,974
    TOPPING said:

    Factoid of the day?


    David Brindle
    @DavidJ_Brindle
    ·
    32m
    There are too many charities doing the same things but numbers continue to rise - a record 1,000 applications in July.

    Reckon @ChtyCommission needs to raise the bar.

    https://x.com/DavidJ_Brindle/status/1960387252082593951

    There are something like 150 military charities. I believe there is still a Lancaster Tail Gunner's charity although I CBA to google.
    A tail gunners description of the journey back from Hamburg as it was consumed in the fire storm is both compelling and horrifying in equal measure. Apparently the fire could be seen 150 miles away. (Obv at altitude in a Lanc).
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,345
    Eabhal said:

    MattW said:

    Cookie said:

    dixiedean said:

    Battlebus said:

    I have come to the conclusion that we hate children as much as we hate immigrants. Was told about a local parish in Kent where the Parish Council leader (over 80) has had the chains of the swings cut (for health and safety issues!). They are also sitting on about £60k of grant which they could spend on replacing the equipment but the leader wants to send the money back to the County instead of improvements.

    So high house prices, high rents, expensive school clothing and pay for your own tertiary education while inviting the tertiary educated from other countries. We've lost all reason - by choice - as we could have had family supportive policies.

    Yep.
    No ball games. No speed restrictions. I'm intimidated by them hanging out in groups.
    And why oh why do they never play out?
    I saw this today. It made me sad. It turns out to be a story which is 18 years old but I think it still has currency.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-462091/How-children-lost-right-roam-generations.html

    It reflects my own experience - at 8, I had the whole of our estate* and the fields behind in which to roam, but we don't let our own kids roam that far or operate that independently. I'd like to have given them more independence, but the culture is just that it isn't done, and if you let your 8 year old get to and from school on their own you'd soon get some questions from the authorities.

    That said, I'm happy to report that our kids still achieve independence, just slightly later: my 15 year old frequently goes into Manchester or other locations reachable by public transport, and has had a day out to York over the holidays with friends and without adult supervision, and is looking for other opportunities; and my 13 year old isn't far behind her.


    *it was a housing estate. I'm not some duke.
    That is one of my standard thought-provoker images to start conversations :smile: .
    You may be aware of an 11-year old child who got killed while cycling to school in Edinburgh. Bin lorry driver convicted, had spent most of his shift on his phone. 12 month driving ban.

    There were hundreds of comments at the time and recently at the sentence that pinned the blame on the parents for allowing him to cycle to school. It's seen as negligence nowadays.
    Yes, I am trying to work it into a follow up to my last piece, about how we do not apply a Health & Safety Attitude to Road Safety.

    One of the "make it safer" interventions, removal of a hedge to the left of the car park entrance when the bin lorry was leaving, seems strange when the in-cab CCTV showed the driver only looking right.

    There's a contrast with an intervention on the new Coulsdon Cycleway in Coventry. One complaint has been people complaining when they reverse out of their drives into the main road they now have to look both ways. It has not occurred to them that the Highway Code rule 201 says that the buggers should INTO their drives.

    Not a school has asked for clarity so the Council has painted "side of carriageway" markings ACROSS the pavement, seemingly in violation of their own Traffic Regulation Order, and are dead batting the formal complaint. Backdoor influence, I suspect.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,974
    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I won't be able to fly my flag of St George anymore? That's a real blow.
    What we gonna do when alt-right populism fails utterly to deliver on its snake oil promises and falls into utter contempt?
    The 600,000 adults scheduled for deportation will become 6,000,000. And when that doesn't stop the rapes and crime (mostly committed by people like us...) it'll be anyone who are, or look, different.
    Yes once removing migrants doesn’t do the job of cheering up the public they’ll move onto the next scapegoats . The Trumpification of the UK will go into warp drive with Reform in power .
    Course they will. Have a lie down pet. You’re stressing yourself.
    I’m not stressing myself thanks . If I want to escape at the time I will .
    Good, fuck off.
    How lovely . I tend not to tell other posters to fxck off but clearly we’ve touched a nerve and have dared criticise your “ working class hero Farage “ !
    Mister @Taz votes Labour, I believe

    A lot of people on here are hyperventilating at the prospect of a populist right party gaining power. They should ask themselves why that is now a very real prospect - because of decades of grotesque errors by the Tories AND Labour, especially on immigration, but other things too

    Anyway it’s now time for us all to support Big Nigel and pray that he succeeds. Coz after him - if he fails - it might be something much worse (of left OR right)

    Coincidentally I’ve just read a guide to Austria and it claims Arnold Schwarzenegger is “probably the most famous Austrian in history”

    Er….
    Didn’t Hitler have to take German citizenship/nationality to stand for President?
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,869
    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I won't be able to fly my flag of St George anymore? That's a real blow.
    What we gonna do when alt-right populism fails utterly to deliver on its snake oil promises and falls into utter contempt?
    The 600,000 adults scheduled for deportation will become 6,000,000. And when that doesn't stop the rapes and crime (mostly committed by people like us...) it'll be anyone who are, or look, different.
    Yes once removing migrants doesn’t do the job of cheering up the public they’ll move onto the next scapegoats . The Trumpification of the UK will go into warp drive with Reform in power .
    Course they will. Have a lie down pet. You’re stressing yourself.
    I’m not stressing myself thanks . If I want to escape at the time I will .
    Good, fuck off.
    How lovely . I tend not to tell other posters to fxck off but clearly we’ve touched a nerve and have dared criticise your “ working class hero Farage “ !
    Mister @Taz votes Labour, I believe

    A lot of people on here are hyperventilating at the prospect of a populist right party gaining power. They should ask themselves why that is now a very real prospect - because of decades of grotesque errors by the Tories AND Labour, especially on immigration, but other things too

    Anyway it’s now time for us all to support Big Nigel and pray that he succeeds. Coz after him - if he fails - it might be something much worse (of left OR right)

    Coincidentally I’ve just read a guide to Austria and it claims Arnold Schwarzenegger is “probably the most famous Austrian in history”

    Er….
    I’m not a fan of Starmer and think Labour have been poor since they got elected . And I’ve said many times that Labour needs to get to grips with the boats . But there are loads of issues facing the country and Reform are just repeating the EU ref campaign , when they remove the migrants and people’s lives still aren’t great what then ?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,577

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I won't be able to fly my flag of St George anymore? That's a real blow.
    What we gonna do when alt-right populism fails utterly to deliver on its snake oil promises and falls into utter contempt?
    The 600,000 adults scheduled for deportation will become 6,000,000. And when that doesn't stop the rapes and crime (mostly committed by people like us...) it'll be anyone who are, or look, different.
    Yes once removing migrants doesn’t do the job of cheering up the public they’ll move onto the next scapegoats . The Trumpification of the UK will go into warp drive with Reform in power .
    Course they will. Have a lie down pet. You’re stressing yourself.
    I’m not stressing myself thanks . If I want to escape at the time I will .
    Good, fuck off.
    How lovely . I tend not to tell other posters to fxck off but clearly we’ve touched a nerve and have dared criticise your “ working class hero Farage “ !
    Mister @Taz votes Labour, I believe

    A lot of people on here are hyperventilating at the prospect of a populist right party gaining power. They should ask themselves why that is now a very real prospect - because of decades of grotesque errors by the Tories AND Labour, especially on immigration, but other things too

    Anyway it’s now time for us all to support Big Nigel and pray that he succeeds. Coz after him - if he fails - it might be something much worse (of left OR right)

    Coincidentally I’ve just read a guide to Austria and it claims Arnold Schwarzenegger is “probably the most famous Austrian in history”

    Er….
    They won’t want to publicise the other famous Austrian.
    Call me Mr Elitist but I’d also put Mozart just a notch above Arnie. Much as I love Predator, &c
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,403
    edited August 26

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I won't be able to fly my flag of St George anymore? That's a real blow.
    What we gonna do when alt-right populism fails utterly to deliver on its snake oil promises and falls into utter contempt?
    The 600,000 adults scheduled for deportation will become 6,000,000. And when that doesn't stop the rapes and crime (mostly committed by people like us...) it'll be anyone who are, or look, different.
    Yes once removing migrants doesn’t do the job of cheering up the public they’ll move onto the next scapegoats . The Trumpification of the UK will go into warp drive with Reform in power .
    Course they will. Have a lie down pet. You’re stressing yourself.
    I’m not stressing myself thanks . If I want to escape at the time I will .
    Good, fuck off.
    How lovely . I tend not to tell other posters to fxck off but clearly we’ve touched a nerve and have dared criticise your “ working class hero Farage “ !
    Mister @Taz votes Labour, I believe

    A lot of people on here are hyperventilating at the prospect of a populist right party gaining power. They should ask themselves why that is now a very real prospect - because of decades of grotesque errors by the Tories AND Labour, especially on immigration, but other things too

    Anyway it’s now time for us all to support Big Nigel and pray that he succeeds. Coz after him - if he fails - it might be something much worse (of left OR right)

    Coincidentally I’ve just read a guide to Austria and it claims Arnold Schwarzenegger is “probably the most famous Austrian in history”

    Er….
    Didn’t Hitler have to take German citizenship/nationality to stand for President?
    Pretty sure Schwarzenegger would have had to do something similar. In the US obvs.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,806
    edited August 26
    There are plenty of reasons why I wouldn’t vote for Reform right now, Farage being a snake oil salesman who I don’t think capable of holding a party together in government being the main one of them. Hyperbolic stuff about the end of democracy or 6m deportations doesn’t factor.



  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,651

    TOPPING said:

    Factoid of the day?


    David Brindle
    @DavidJ_Brindle
    ·
    32m
    There are too many charities doing the same things but numbers continue to rise - a record 1,000 applications in July.

    Reckon @ChtyCommission needs to raise the bar.

    https://x.com/DavidJ_Brindle/status/1960387252082593951

    There are something like 150 military charities. I believe there is still a Lancaster Tail Gunner's charity although I CBA to google.
    A tail gunners description of the journey back from Hamburg as it was consumed in the fire storm is both compelling and horrifying in equal measure. Apparently the fire could be seen 150 miles away. (Obv at altitude in a Lanc).
    As a kid, my dad stood in the New Forest and saw the glow as Southampton burned.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,345
    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I won't be able to fly my flag of St George anymore? That's a real blow.
    What we gonna do when alt-right populism fails utterly to deliver on its snake oil promises and falls into utter contempt?
    The 600,000 adults scheduled for deportation will become 6,000,000.
    🙄.
    Reform - and their acolytes - are blaming the ills of the country on a small subset of people. The problem is, the ills are much wider than that small subset. You could instantly transport every 'immigrant' to the Moon, and girls, boys, men and women will still be being abused on a vast scale in this country.

    And it is a vast scale - the figures show it.

    So if they get to implement their policies, and the policies fail - which they will - it will no longer be just "illegal immigrants". It will be all immigrants. Or anyone who is different.

    As we have seen a fair few times in the past.
    Bound to be. Someone on the web said so.

    It won’t stop at 6 million, it’s going to be 60 million.


    I think Richard Tice will personally mow down 600 hundred million people with an eight mile long machine gun. You can see it in his eyes
    From Dubai !!
    Richard Tice is becoming more and more like Lord Charles. Not that one - see Ray Alan.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ku841fAyke4
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,974

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I won't be able to fly my flag of St George anymore? That's a real blow.
    What we gonna do when alt-right populism fails utterly to deliver on its snake oil promises and falls into utter contempt?
    The 600,000 adults scheduled for deportation will become 6,000,000. And when that doesn't stop the rapes and crime (mostly committed by people like us...) it'll be anyone who are, or look, different.
    Yes once removing migrants doesn’t do the job of cheering up the public they’ll move onto the next scapegoats . The Trumpification of the UK will go into warp drive with Reform in power .
    Course they will. Have a lie down pet. You’re stressing yourself.
    I’m not stressing myself thanks . If I want to escape at the time I will .
    Good, fuck off.
    How lovely . I tend not to tell other posters to fxck off but clearly we’ve touched a nerve and have dared criticise your “ working class hero Farage “ !
    Mister @Taz votes Labour, I believe

    A lot of people on here are hyperventilating at the prospect of a populist right party gaining power. They should ask themselves why that is now a very real prospect - because of decades of grotesque errors by the Tories AND Labour, especially on immigration, but other things too

    Anyway it’s now time for us all to support Big Nigel and pray that he succeeds. Coz after him - if he fails - it might be something much worse (of left OR right)

    Coincidentally I’ve just read a guide to Austria and it claims Arnold Schwarzenegger is “probably the most famous Austrian in history”

    Er….
    Didn’t Hitler have to take German citizenship/nationality to stand for President?
    Pretty sure Schwarzenegger would have had to do something similar. In the US obvs.
    A good point.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,689
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I won't be able to fly my flag of St George anymore? That's a real blow.
    What we gonna do when alt-right populism fails utterly to deliver on its snake oil promises and falls into utter contempt?
    The 600,000 adults scheduled for deportation will become 6,000,000. And when that doesn't stop the rapes and crime (mostly committed by people like us...) it'll be anyone who are, or look, different.
    Yes once removing migrants doesn’t do the job of cheering up the public they’ll move onto the next scapegoats . The Trumpification of the UK will go into warp drive with Reform in power .
    Course they will. Have a lie down pet. You’re stressing yourself.
    I’m not stressing myself thanks . If I want to escape at the time I will .
    Good, fuck off.
    How lovely . I tend not to tell other posters to fxck off but clearly we’ve touched a nerve and have dared criticise your “ working class hero Farage “ !
    Mister @Taz votes Labour, I believe

    A lot of people on here are hyperventilating at the prospect of a populist right party gaining power. They should ask themselves why that is now a very real prospect - because of decades of grotesque errors by the Tories AND Labour, especially on immigration, but other things too

    Anyway it’s now time for us all to support Big Nigel and pray that he succeeds. Coz after him - if he fails - it might be something much worse (of left OR right)

    Coincidentally I’ve just read a guide to Austria and it claims Arnold Schwarzenegger is “probably the most famous Austrian in history”

    Er….
    They won’t want to publicise the other famous Austrian.
    Call me Mr Elitist but I’d also put Mozart just a notch above Arnie. Much as I love Predator, &c
    "Get to the chopper!"
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,869
    For those interested there are two state senator elections tonight .

    One in Georgia and the other in Iowa . The latter is the more interesting and competitive and seen as more of a bellwether towards the mid-terms .

  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,577
    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I won't be able to fly my flag of St George anymore? That's a real blow.
    What we gonna do when alt-right populism fails utterly to deliver on its snake oil promises and falls into utter contempt?
    The 600,000 adults scheduled for deportation will become 6,000,000. And when that doesn't stop the rapes and crime (mostly committed by people like us...) it'll be anyone who are, or look, different.
    Yes once removing migrants doesn’t do the job of cheering up the public they’ll move onto the next scapegoats . The Trumpification of the UK will go into warp drive with Reform in power .
    Course they will. Have a lie down pet. You’re stressing yourself.
    I’m not stressing myself thanks . If I want to escape at the time I will .
    Good, fuck off.
    How lovely . I tend not to tell other posters to fxck off but clearly we’ve touched a nerve and have dared criticise your “ working class hero Farage “ !
    Mister @Taz votes Labour, I believe

    A lot of people on here are hyperventilating at the prospect of a populist right party gaining power. They should ask themselves why that is now a very real prospect - because of decades of grotesque errors by the Tories AND Labour, especially on immigration, but other things too

    Anyway it’s now time for us all to support Big Nigel and pray that he succeeds. Coz after him - if he fails - it might be something much worse (of left OR right)

    Coincidentally I’ve just read a guide to Austria and it claims Arnold Schwarzenegger is “probably the most famous Austrian in history”

    Er….
    I’m not a fan of Starmer and think Labour have been poor since they got elected . And I’ve said many times that Labour needs to get to grips with the boats . But there are loads of issues facing the country and Reform are just repeating the EU ref campaign , when they remove the migrants and people’s lives still aren’t great what then ?
    Sorting out migration is necessary but not sufficient - I agree. But it is necessary. And frankly I don’t see any other party with the capability. The Tories absolutely cannot be trusted on this after the Boriswave - their position is laughable: “yes we accidentally let in a million people a year oops but this time we won’t, honest”

    Meanwhile Labour are emotionally and fundamentally unable to deal with this. They are the party of human rights lawyers. They basically hate Britain and they think nearly all Brits are racist

    That leaves reform. And if reform really do solve the major problems of migration - asylum, boats, deportations, the Boriswave - that WILL do quite a lot of good. It will take pressure off public services for a start

    However what are their economic plans? Foreign policy? Tax and spend? It is all absurdly vague - at the moment
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,968
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I won't be able to fly my flag of St George anymore? That's a real blow.
    What we gonna do when alt-right populism fails utterly to deliver on its snake oil promises and falls into utter contempt?
    The 600,000 adults scheduled for deportation will become 6,000,000. And when that doesn't stop the rapes and crime (mostly committed by people like us...) it'll be anyone who are, or look, different.
    Yes once removing migrants doesn’t do the job of cheering up the public they’ll move onto the next scapegoats . The Trumpification of the UK will go into warp drive with Reform in power .
    Course they will. Have a lie down pet. You’re stressing yourself.
    I’m not stressing myself thanks . If I want to escape at the time I will .
    Good, fuck off.
    How lovely . I tend not to tell other posters to fxck off but clearly we’ve touched a nerve and have dared criticise your “ working class hero Farage “ !
    Mister @Taz votes Labour, I believe

    A lot of people on here are hyperventilating at the prospect of a populist right party gaining power. They should ask themselves why that is now a very real prospect - because of decades of grotesque errors by the Tories AND Labour, especially on immigration, but other things too

    Anyway it’s now time for us all to support Big Nigel and pray that he succeeds. Coz after him - if he fails - it might be something much worse (of left OR right)

    Coincidentally I’ve just read a guide to Austria and it claims Arnold Schwarzenegger is “probably the most famous Austrian in history”

    Er….
    They won’t want to publicise the other famous Austrian.
    Call me Mr Elitist but I’d also put Mozart just a notch above Arnie. Much as I love Predator, &c
    There is an argument that Mozart isn’t Austrian as there wasn’t a country of Austria at the time, Salzburg was a city state allied to Australia-Hungarian Empire and Mozart and his contemporaries thought of themselves as “German” hence the line;

    “The greatest trick the Austrians ever pulled was convincing the world that Hitler was German and Mozart was Austrian.”
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,577

    TOPPING said:

    Factoid of the day?


    David Brindle
    @DavidJ_Brindle
    ·
    32m
    There are too many charities doing the same things but numbers continue to rise - a record 1,000 applications in July.

    Reckon @ChtyCommission needs to raise the bar.

    https://x.com/DavidJ_Brindle/status/1960387252082593951

    There are something like 150 military charities. I believe there is still a Lancaster Tail Gunner's charity although I CBA to google.
    A tail gunners description of the journey back from Hamburg as it was consumed in the fire storm is both compelling and horrifying in equal measure. Apparently the fire could be seen 150 miles away. (Obv at altitude in a Lanc).
    As a kid, my dad stood in the New Forest and saw the glow as Southampton burned.
    Your father was a child in world war 2?!

    He must have had you very late? I’m not claiming you’re lying I’m just startled by the age implications
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,836
    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I’m entirely copacetic with that. Those junior flags have to have their moment.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,664
    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I won't be able to fly my flag of St George anymore? That's a real blow.
    What we gonna do when alt-right populism fails utterly to deliver on its snake oil promises and falls into utter contempt?
    The 600,000 adults scheduled for deportation will become 6,000,000. And when that doesn't stop the rapes and crime (mostly committed by people like us...) it'll be anyone who are, or look, different.
    Yes once removing migrants doesn’t do the job of cheering up the public they’ll move onto the next scapegoats . The Trumpification of the UK will go into warp drive with Reform in power .
    Course they will. Have a lie down pet. You’re stressing yourself.
    I’m not stressing myself thanks . If I want to escape at the time I will .
    Good, fuck off.
    How lovely . I tend not to tell other posters to fxck off but clearly we’ve touched a nerve and have dared criticise your “ working class hero Farage “ !
    Mister @Taz votes Labour, I believe

    A lot of people on here are hyperventilating at the prospect of a populist right party gaining power. They should ask themselves why that is now a very real prospect - because of decades of grotesque errors by the Tories AND Labour, especially on immigration, but other things too

    Anyway it’s now time for us all to support Big Nigel and pray that he succeeds. Coz after him - if he fails - it might be something much worse (of left OR right)

    Coincidentally I’ve just read a guide to Austria and it claims Arnold Schwarzenegger is “probably the most famous Austrian in history”

    Er….
    And so history rhymes, all because of low-IQ twats like you.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,931
    edited August 26
    A must watch for movie lovers...

    Ridley Scott Hugh Hudson Adrien Lyne Tony Scott Alan Parker........

    'Holywood and the Adland 5'

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m002hkqc
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,869
    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I won't be able to fly my flag of St George anymore? That's a real blow.
    What we gonna do when alt-right populism fails utterly to deliver on its snake oil promises and falls into utter contempt?
    The 600,000 adults scheduled for deportation will become 6,000,000. And when that doesn't stop the rapes and crime (mostly committed by people like us...) it'll be anyone who are, or look, different.
    Yes once removing migrants doesn’t do the job of cheering up the public they’ll move onto the next scapegoats . The Trumpification of the UK will go into warp drive with Reform in power .
    Course they will. Have a lie down pet. You’re stressing yourself.
    I’m not stressing myself thanks . If I want to escape at the time I will .
    Good, fuck off.
    How lovely . I tend not to tell other posters to fxck off but clearly we’ve touched a nerve and have dared criticise your “ working class hero Farage “ !
    Mister @Taz votes Labour, I believe

    A lot of people on here are hyperventilating at the prospect of a populist right party gaining power. They should ask themselves why that is now a very real prospect - because of decades of grotesque errors by the Tories AND Labour, especially on immigration, but other things too

    Anyway it’s now time for us all to support Big Nigel and pray that he succeeds. Coz after him - if he fails - it might be something much worse (of left OR right)

    Coincidentally I’ve just read a guide to Austria and it claims Arnold Schwarzenegger is “probably the most famous Austrian in history”

    Er….
    I’m not a fan of Starmer and think Labour have been poor since they got elected . And I’ve said many times that Labour needs to get to grips with the boats . But there are loads of issues facing the country and Reform are just repeating the EU ref campaign , when they remove the migrants and people’s lives still aren’t great what then ?
    Sorting out migration is necessary but not sufficient - I agree. But it is necessary. And frankly I don’t see any other party with the capability. The Tories absolutely cannot be trusted on this after the Boriswave - their position is laughable: “yes we accidentally let in a million people a year oops but this time we won’t, honest”

    Meanwhile Labour are emotionally and fundamentally unable to deal with this. They are the party of human rights lawyers. They basically hate Britain and they think nearly all Brits are racist

    That leaves reform. And if reform really do solve the major problems of migration - asylum, boats, deportations, the Boriswave - that WILL do quite a lot of good. It will take pressure off public services for a start

    However what are their economic plans? Foreign policy? Tax and spend? It is all absurdly vague - at the moment
    The boat issue is sometimes portrayed as left v right . I think however you’ll find a consensus that the current situation isn’t sustainable . I don’t want to see Reform anywhere near power so want Labour to get a grip .
  • dixiedean said:

    So many fewer cars too.

    Of course roads are considerably safer now than they were when we were growing up. Much fewer fatalities, not more.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,577
    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I won't be able to fly my flag of St George anymore? That's a real blow.
    What we gonna do when alt-right populism fails utterly to deliver on its snake oil promises and falls into utter contempt?
    The 600,000 adults scheduled for deportation will become 6,000,000. And when that doesn't stop the rapes and crime (mostly committed by people like us...) it'll be anyone who are, or look, different.
    Yes once removing migrants doesn’t do the job of cheering up the public they’ll move onto the next scapegoats . The Trumpification of the UK will go into warp drive with Reform in power .
    Course they will. Have a lie down pet. You’re stressing yourself.
    I’m not stressing myself thanks . If I want to escape at the time I will .
    Good, fuck off.
    How lovely . I tend not to tell other posters to fxck off but clearly we’ve touched a nerve and have dared criticise your “ working class hero Farage “ !
    Mister @Taz votes Labour, I believe

    A lot of people on here are hyperventilating at the prospect of a populist right party gaining power. They should ask themselves why that is now a very real prospect - because of decades of grotesque errors by the Tories AND Labour, especially on immigration, but other things too

    Anyway it’s now time for us all to support Big Nigel and pray that he succeeds. Coz after him - if he fails - it might be something much worse (of left OR right)

    Coincidentally I’ve just read a guide to Austria and it claims Arnold Schwarzenegger is “probably the most famous Austrian in history”

    Er….
    They won’t want to publicise the other famous Austrian.
    Call me Mr Elitist but I’d also put Mozart just a notch above Arnie. Much as I love Predator, &c
    There is an argument that Mozart isn’t Austrian as there wasn’t a country of Austria at the time, Salzburg was a city state allied to Australia-Hungarian Empire and Mozart and his contemporaries thought of themselves as “German” hence the line;

    “The greatest trick the Austrians ever pulled was convincing the world that Hitler was German and Mozart was Austrian.”
    They really did get away with it, the Austrians. “Oh we’re just this cute alpine country, we never did nuffink, have a pretzel”

    Whereas they were a fundamental and eager part of the Third Reich, and loads of leading Nazis - starting with Adolf - were Austrian. They even dodged communism despite the red army seizing half the country
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,815

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I won't be able to fly my flag of St George anymore? That's a real blow.
    What we gonna do when alt-right populism fails utterly to deliver on its snake oil promises and falls into utter contempt?
    The 600,000 adults scheduled for deportation will become 6,000,000. And when that doesn't stop the rapes and crime (mostly committed by people like us...) it'll be anyone who are, or look, different.
    Yes once removing migrants doesn’t do the job of cheering up the public they’ll move onto the next scapegoats . The Trumpification of the UK will go into warp drive with Reform in power .
    Course they will. Have a lie down pet. You’re stressing yourself.
    I’m not stressing myself thanks . If I want to escape at the time I will .
    Good, fuck off.
    How lovely . I tend not to tell other posters to fxck off but clearly we’ve touched a nerve and have dared criticise your “ working class hero Farage “ !
    Mister @Taz votes Labour, I believe

    A lot of people on here are hyperventilating at the prospect of a populist right party gaining power. They should ask themselves why that is now a very real prospect - because of decades of grotesque errors by the Tories AND Labour, especially on immigration, but other things too

    Anyway it’s now time for us all to support Big Nigel and pray that he succeeds. Coz after him - if he fails - it might be something much worse (of left OR right)

    Coincidentally I’ve just read a guide to Austria and it claims Arnold Schwarzenegger is “probably the most famous Austrian in history”

    Er….
    Didn’t Hitler have to take German citizenship/nationality to stand for President?
    I would have said Mozart is the most famous Austrian.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,651
    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Factoid of the day?


    David Brindle
    @DavidJ_Brindle
    ·
    32m
    There are too many charities doing the same things but numbers continue to rise - a record 1,000 applications in July.

    Reckon @ChtyCommission needs to raise the bar.

    https://x.com/DavidJ_Brindle/status/1960387252082593951

    There are something like 150 military charities. I believe there is still a Lancaster Tail Gunner's charity although I CBA to google.
    A tail gunners description of the journey back from Hamburg as it was consumed in the fire storm is both compelling and horrifying in equal measure. Apparently the fire could be seen 150 miles away. (Obv at altitude in a Lanc).
    As a kid, my dad stood in the New Forest and saw the glow as Southampton burned.
    Your father was a child in world war 2?!

    He must have had you very late? I’m not claiming you’re lying I’m just startled by the age implications
    I'm 52. He was born in 1936. So I was born when he was 37 - as a youngest child. My son was born when I was 41.

    The Southampton burnings would have occurred when he was between four and eight. As he was in the area later in the war, he would have missed the main blitz on the city.

    As an aside, a friend of ours has a son the same age as our son. His *father* served in WW2 as a medic, and became a priest after the war.
  • Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I won't be able to fly my flag of St George anymore? That's a real blow.
    What we gonna do when alt-right populism fails utterly to deliver on its snake oil promises and falls into utter contempt?
    The 600,000 adults scheduled for deportation will become 6,000,000. And when that doesn't stop the rapes and crime (mostly committed by people like us...) it'll be anyone who are, or look, different.
    Yes once removing migrants doesn’t do the job of cheering up the public they’ll move onto the next scapegoats . The Trumpification of the UK will go into warp drive with Reform in power .
    Course they will. Have a lie down pet. You’re stressing yourself.
    I’m not stressing myself thanks . If I want to escape at the time I will .
    Good, fuck off.
    How lovely . I tend not to tell other posters to fxck off but clearly we’ve touched a nerve and have dared criticise your “ working class hero Farage “ !
    Mister @Taz votes Labour, I believe

    A lot of people on here are hyperventilating at the prospect of a populist right party gaining power. They should ask themselves why that is now a very real prospect - because of decades of grotesque errors by the Tories AND Labour, especially on immigration, but other things too

    Anyway it’s now time for us all to support Big Nigel and pray that he succeeds. Coz after him - if he fails - it might be something much worse (of left OR right)

    Coincidentally I’ve just read a guide to Austria and it claims Arnold Schwarzenegger is “probably the most famous Austrian in history”

    Er….
    Didn’t Hitler have to take German citizenship/nationality to stand for President?
    Pretty sure Schwarzenegger would have had to do something similar. In the US obvs.
    No, has to be natural born there, so he'd never be eligible.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,577
    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I won't be able to fly my flag of St George anymore? That's a real blow.
    What we gonna do when alt-right populism fails utterly to deliver on its snake oil promises and falls into utter contempt?
    The 600,000 adults scheduled for deportation will become 6,000,000. And when that doesn't stop the rapes and crime (mostly committed by people like us...) it'll be anyone who are, or look, different.
    Yes once removing migrants doesn’t do the job of cheering up the public they’ll move onto the next scapegoats . The Trumpification of the UK will go into warp drive with Reform in power .
    Course they will. Have a lie down pet. You’re stressing yourself.
    I’m not stressing myself thanks . If I want to escape at the time I will .
    Good, fuck off.
    How lovely . I tend not to tell other posters to fxck off but clearly we’ve touched a nerve and have dared criticise your “ working class hero Farage “ !
    Mister @Taz votes Labour, I believe

    A lot of people on here are hyperventilating at the prospect of a populist right party gaining power. They should ask themselves why that is now a very real prospect - because of decades of grotesque errors by the Tories AND Labour, especially on immigration, but other things too

    Anyway it’s now time for us all to support Big Nigel and pray that he succeeds. Coz after him - if he fails - it might be something much worse (of left OR right)

    Coincidentally I’ve just read a guide to Austria and it claims Arnold Schwarzenegger is “probably the most famous Austrian in history”

    Er….
    I’m not a fan of Starmer and think Labour have been poor since they got elected . And I’ve said many times that Labour needs to get to grips with the boats . But there are loads of issues facing the country and Reform are just repeating the EU ref campaign , when they remove the migrants and people’s lives still aren’t great what then ?
    Sorting out migration is necessary but not sufficient - I agree. But it is necessary. And frankly I don’t see any other party with the capability. The Tories absolutely cannot be trusted on this after the Boriswave - their position is laughable: “yes we accidentally let in a million people a year oops but this time we won’t, honest”

    Meanwhile Labour are emotionally and fundamentally unable to deal with this. They are the party of human rights lawyers. They basically hate Britain and they think nearly all Brits are racist

    That leaves reform. And if reform really do solve the major problems of migration - asylum, boats, deportations, the Boriswave - that WILL do quite a lot of good. It will take pressure off public services for a start

    However what are their economic plans? Foreign policy? Tax and spend? It is all absurdly vague - at the moment
    The boat issue is sometimes portrayed as left v right . I think however you’ll find a consensus that the current situation isn’t sustainable . I don’t want to see Reform anywhere near power so want Labour to get a grip .
    It’s just occurred to me that nigel might solve Labour’s problems for them

    Imagine it’s 2027 and reform are still way ahead in the polls. Suddenly Britain looks far less inviting - why pay for a dangerous boat crossing if, in a year, you are likely to be booted out (fairly brusquely) by a no nonsense new government

    I reckon boat arrivals will plunge in those circumstances. Meaning Starmer will be able to claim success - thereby winning the election

    Quite the irony
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,345
    edited August 26
    @Eabhal
    I've been on another weird one this week in Worcester.

    Back in March a 65 year old disabled man who used a tricycle for his mobility aid caught his back wheel on an inconspicuous (ie not contrasting) undersized bollard, went over his handlebars, hit his head on the pavement and died 3 weeks later in hospital.

    This week in the Worcester News there's a furious, irrelevant debate about "but is it a cycle path?" The bollard is dangerous either way, especially for VIPs (visually impaired) etc, and is not to standard.

    So I wrote my first ever letter to a local paper - the Worcester News:

    Dear Editor

    I did not know Jim Pantall, who was recently killed when his tricycle wheel caught a low bollard, but he seems to have been a gentleman. His death highlights a danger that many elderly and disabled people face every day.

    A short, hard-to-see bollard is an accident waiting to happen. A visually impaired person tripping over one may strike their head on the pavement. National guidance is clear: bollards should be at least 1000mm high and in visual contrast with their surroundings (“Inclusive Mobility”, p.24).

    Jim, an elderly disabled man, was using his tricycle as a mobility aid. Many disabled people must rely on alternatives like wheelchairs, scooters, or adapted bicycles, since 40% of disabled adults cannot or do not have a driving licence. I myself use an e-Brompton when my leukaemia is not in remission.

    I have many friends in Worcester, and each time I visit it is encouraging to see more unlawful barriers — such as kissing gates, squeeze gates, and chicanes — being removed. These exclude wheelchair users and other people, and breach the Equality Act 2010. Each barrier is a litigation risk, as pathways are a public service.

    A fitting memorial to Jim would be for the County Council to ensure that every bollard in Worcestershire complies with national guidance.

    Matt Wardman (Nottinghamshire)


    The piece that wound me up, with it's 100+ comments:
    https://www.worcesternews.co.uk/news/25404162.angel-row-cycling-death-cycle-path-footpath/
    Obit:
    https://www.bikeworcester.org.uk/blog/l3m326l8g7djj1x41mup1gphakc60z
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,212
    rcs1000 said:

    Sir Ed Davey such a prominent figure that he doesn't even feature in the market.

    Who?
    You remember, guy who met the postmasters and decided there was nothing to worry about.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,426
    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I won't be able to fly my flag of St George anymore? That's a real blow.
    What we gonna do when alt-right populism fails utterly to deliver on its snake oil promises and falls into utter contempt?
    The 600,000 adults scheduled for deportation will become 6,000,000. And when that doesn't stop the rapes and crime (mostly committed by people like us...) it'll be anyone who are, or look, different.
    Yes once removing migrants doesn’t do the job of cheering up the public they’ll move onto the next scapegoats . The Trumpification of the UK will go into warp drive with Reform in power .
    Course they will. Have a lie down pet. You’re stressing yourself.
    I’m not stressing myself thanks . If I want to escape at the time I will .
    Good, fuck off.
    How lovely . I tend not to tell other posters to fxck off but clearly we’ve touched a nerve and have dared criticise your “ working class hero Farage “ !
    Mister @Taz votes Labour, I believe

    A lot of people on here are hyperventilating at the prospect of a populist right party gaining power. They should ask themselves why that is now a very real prospect - because of decades of grotesque errors by the Tories AND Labour, especially on immigration, but other things too

    Anyway it’s now time for us all to support Big Nigel and pray that he succeeds. Coz after him - if he fails - it might be something much worse (of left OR right)

    Coincidentally I’ve just read a guide to Austria and it claims Arnold Schwarzenegger is “probably the most famous Austrian in history”

    Er….
    I’m not a fan of Starmer and think Labour have been poor since they got elected . And I’ve said many times that Labour needs to get to grips with the boats . But there are loads of issues facing the country and Reform are just repeating the EU ref campaign , when they remove the migrants and people’s lives still aren’t great what then ?
    Sorting out migration is necessary but not sufficient - I agree. But it is necessary. And frankly I don’t see any other party with the capability. The Tories absolutely cannot be trusted on this after the Boriswave - their position is laughable: “yes we accidentally let in a million people a year oops but this time we won’t, honest”

    Meanwhile Labour are emotionally and fundamentally unable to deal with this. They are the party of human rights lawyers. They basically hate Britain and they think nearly all Brits are racist

    That leaves reform. And if reform really do solve the major problems of migration - asylum, boats, deportations, the Boriswave - that WILL do quite a lot of good. It will take pressure off public services for a start

    However what are their economic plans? Foreign policy? Tax and spend? It is all absurdly vague - at the moment
    The boat issue is sometimes portrayed as left v right . I think however you’ll find a consensus that the current situation isn’t sustainable . I don’t want to see Reform anywhere near power so want Labour to get a grip .
    It’s just occurred to me that nigel might solve Labour’s problems for them

    Imagine it’s 2027 and reform are still way ahead in the polls. Suddenly Britain looks far less inviting - why pay for a dangerous boat crossing if, in a year, you are likely to be booted out (fairly brusquely) by a no nonsense new government

    I reckon boat arrivals will plunge in those circumstances. Meaning Starmer will be able to claim success - thereby winning the election

    Quite the irony
    Unless Starmer and his crew stop being incompetent in all other areas they could still lose, even without small boats.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,577

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Factoid of the day?


    David Brindle
    @DavidJ_Brindle
    ·
    32m
    There are too many charities doing the same things but numbers continue to rise - a record 1,000 applications in July.

    Reckon @ChtyCommission needs to raise the bar.

    https://x.com/DavidJ_Brindle/status/1960387252082593951

    There are something like 150 military charities. I believe there is still a Lancaster Tail Gunner's charity although I CBA to google.
    A tail gunners description of the journey back from Hamburg as it was consumed in the fire storm is both compelling and horrifying in equal measure. Apparently the fire could be seen 150 miles away. (Obv at altitude in a Lanc).
    As a kid, my dad stood in the New Forest and saw the glow as Southampton burned.
    Your father was a child in world war 2?!

    He must have had you very late? I’m not claiming you’re lying I’m just startled by the age implications
    I'm 52. He was born in 1936. So I was born when he was 37 - as a youngest child. My son was born when I was 41.

    The Southampton burnings would have occurred when he was between four and eight. As he was in the area later in the war, he would have missed the main blitz on the city.

    As an aside, a friend of ours has a son the same age as our son. His *father* served in WW2 as a medic, and became a priest after the war.
    Interesting, thanks. My late father remembered seeing the glow of Plymouth burning, as a child, while standing in a garden in mid Cornwall




  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,570
    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I won't be able to fly my flag of St George anymore? That's a real blow.
    What we gonna do when alt-right populism fails utterly to deliver on its snake oil promises and falls into utter contempt?



    Vote jezbollah. It’s perfectly possible. If the hard right fails then try the hard left

    We are in the 1930s redux
    we have tried labour and Tory and the Lib Dem’s. All have been useless. Why not try Reform or the Jezziah party.
    Because they'll be even worse ?
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,968
    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I won't be able to fly my flag of St George anymore? That's a real blow.
    What we gonna do when alt-right populism fails utterly to deliver on its snake oil promises and falls into utter contempt?
    The 600,000 adults scheduled for deportation will become 6,000,000. And when that doesn't stop the rapes and crime (mostly committed by people like us...) it'll be anyone who are, or look, different.
    Yes once removing migrants doesn’t do the job of cheering up the public they’ll move onto the next scapegoats . The Trumpification of the UK will go into warp drive with Reform in power .
    Course they will. Have a lie down pet. You’re stressing yourself.
    I’m not stressing myself thanks . If I want to escape at the time I will .
    Good, fuck off.
    How lovely . I tend not to tell other posters to fxck off but clearly we’ve touched a nerve and have dared criticise your “ working class hero Farage “ !
    Mister @Taz votes Labour, I believe

    A lot of people on here are hyperventilating at the prospect of a populist right party gaining power. They should ask themselves why that is now a very real prospect - because of decades of grotesque errors by the Tories AND Labour, especially on immigration, but other things too

    Anyway it’s now time for us all to support Big Nigel and pray that he succeeds. Coz after him - if he fails - it might be something much worse (of left OR right)

    Coincidentally I’ve just read a guide to Austria and it claims Arnold Schwarzenegger is “probably the most famous Austrian in history”

    Er….
    They won’t want to publicise the other famous Austrian.
    Call me Mr Elitist but I’d also put Mozart just a notch above Arnie. Much as I love Predator, &c
    There is an argument that Mozart isn’t Austrian as there wasn’t a country of Austria at the time, Salzburg was a city state allied to Australia-Hungarian Empire and Mozart and his contemporaries thought of themselves as “German” hence the line;

    “The greatest trick the Austrians ever pulled was convincing the world that Hitler was German and Mozart was Austrian.”
    They really did get away with it, the Austrians. “Oh we’re just this cute alpine country, we never did nuffink, have a pretzel”

    Whereas they were a fundamental and eager part of the Third Reich, and loads of leading Nazis - starting with Adolf - were Austrian. They even dodged communism despite the red army seizing half the country
    It’s a very shifty country. Vienna is like an entrepôt of espionage and shady business where the Russians were never really restricted during the Cold War onwards. I think the country sold its soul, being neutral and allowing open Soviet behaviour in return for their wealth to be unaffected, the streets beautiful, none of that expensive dirty work of being a good ally.

    I know of a good number of Russian businesses and individuals who relied on Austria giving them a cloak of respectability for basing themselves there.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,651
    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I won't be able to fly my flag of St George anymore? That's a real blow.
    What we gonna do when alt-right populism fails utterly to deliver on its snake oil promises and falls into utter contempt?
    The 600,000 adults scheduled for deportation will become 6,000,000. And when that doesn't stop the rapes and crime (mostly committed by people like us...) it'll be anyone who are, or look, different.
    Yes once removing migrants doesn’t do the job of cheering up the public they’ll move onto the next scapegoats . The Trumpification of the UK will go into warp drive with Reform in power .
    Course they will. Have a lie down pet. You’re stressing yourself.
    I’m not stressing myself thanks . If I want to escape at the time I will .
    Good, fuck off.
    How lovely . I tend not to tell other posters to fxck off but clearly we’ve touched a nerve and have dared criticise your “ working class hero Farage “ !
    Mister @Taz votes Labour, I believe

    A lot of people on here are hyperventilating at the prospect of a populist right party gaining power. They should ask themselves why that is now a very real prospect - because of decades of grotesque errors by the Tories AND Labour, especially on immigration, but other things too

    Anyway it’s now time for us all to support Big Nigel and pray that he succeeds. Coz after him - if he fails - it might be something much worse (of left OR right)

    Coincidentally I’ve just read a guide to Austria and it claims Arnold Schwarzenegger is “probably the most famous Austrian in history”

    Er….
    Didn’t Hitler have to take German citizenship/nationality to stand for President?
    I would have said Mozart is the most famous Austrian.
    It's an interesting question. There are loads of people who would have heard of Mozart, but not be able to name a single piece of music by him. I'd guess that many more people would have heard of Arnie, *and* be able to name a film by him. Which makes sense, as he is much more culturally significant *at the moment*.

    An interesting question is where they will be placed in 100 years: would Arnie's fame fade as Mozart remains at the same level, or will Arnie be known like another Chaplin?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,945
    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I won't be able to fly my flag of St George anymore? That's a real blow.
    I bet they fly them a lot around where you grew up.

    Hampstead I'm sure less so.
    Correct on both.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,306

    Factoid of the day?


    David Brindle
    @DavidJ_Brindle
    ·
    32m
    There are too many charities doing the same things but numbers continue to rise - a record 1,000 applications in July.

    Reckon @ChtyCommission needs to raise the bar.

    https://x.com/DavidJ_Brindle/status/1960387252082593951

    It does seem a ridiculous number, unless there are a lot of hyper local charities making up the bulk of it.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,700
    edited August 26

    Trump: "Anybody murders something [sic] in the capital, capital punishment. Capital, capital punishment"

    With a capital C.

    Under the 6th January insurrection, we nearly had cause for a Capitol Capital capital punishment.

    Except Trump would have pardoned the perpetrator.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,651
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Factoid of the day?


    David Brindle
    @DavidJ_Brindle
    ·
    32m
    There are too many charities doing the same things but numbers continue to rise - a record 1,000 applications in July.

    Reckon @ChtyCommission needs to raise the bar.

    https://x.com/DavidJ_Brindle/status/1960387252082593951

    There are something like 150 military charities. I believe there is still a Lancaster Tail Gunner's charity although I CBA to google.
    A tail gunners description of the journey back from Hamburg as it was consumed in the fire storm is both compelling and horrifying in equal measure. Apparently the fire could be seen 150 miles away. (Obv at altitude in a Lanc).
    As a kid, my dad stood in the New Forest and saw the glow as Southampton burned.
    Your father was a child in world war 2?!

    He must have had you very late? I’m not claiming you’re lying I’m just startled by the age implications
    I'm 52. He was born in 1936. So I was born when he was 37 - as a youngest child. My son was born when I was 41.

    The Southampton burnings would have occurred when he was between four and eight. As he was in the area later in the war, he would have missed the main blitz on the city.

    As an aside, a friend of ours has a son the same age as our son. His *father* served in WW2 as a medic, and became a priest after the war.
    Interesting, thanks. My late father remembered seeing the glow of Plymouth burning, as a child, while standing in a garden in mid Cornwall
    My dad was taught to plough a field using a horse, as well as using a tractor. He reckons he was the last generation to be taught it actually for work, rather than as a tradition or heritage task.

    My great-uncle was (allegedly...) one of the last, if not the last, person qualified to captain a sailing ship, a steam ship, and diesel boat, routinely as a professional task (again, not as heritage). He captained all three types on commercial duties.

    And nearing 100 years old, although retired, he is still going strong. He's a great bloke, and as far from the archetypal ex-sailor as it is possible to get.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,577
    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I won't be able to fly my flag of St George anymore? That's a real blow.
    What we gonna do when alt-right populism fails utterly to deliver on its snake oil promises and falls into utter contempt?
    The 600,000 adults scheduled for deportation will become 6,000,000. And when that doesn't stop the rapes and crime (mostly committed by people like us...) it'll be anyone who are, or look, different.
    Yes once removing migrants doesn’t do the job of cheering up the public they’ll move onto the next scapegoats . The Trumpification of the UK will go into warp drive with Reform in power .
    Course they will. Have a lie down pet. You’re stressing yourself.
    I’m not stressing myself thanks . If I want to escape at the time I will .
    Good, fuck off.
    How lovely . I tend not to tell other posters to fxck off but clearly we’ve touched a nerve and have dared criticise your “ working class hero Farage “ !
    Mister @Taz votes Labour, I believe

    A lot of people on here are hyperventilating at the prospect of a populist right party gaining power. They should ask themselves why that is now a very real prospect - because of decades of grotesque errors by the Tories AND Labour, especially on immigration, but other things too

    Anyway it’s now time for us all to support Big Nigel and pray that he succeeds. Coz after him - if he fails - it might be something much worse (of left OR right)

    Coincidentally I’ve just read a guide to Austria and it claims Arnold Schwarzenegger is “probably the most famous Austrian in history”

    Er….
    They won’t want to publicise the other famous Austrian.
    Call me Mr Elitist but I’d also put Mozart just a notch above Arnie. Much as I love Predator, &c
    There is an argument that Mozart isn’t Austrian as there wasn’t a country of Austria at the time, Salzburg was a city state allied to Australia-Hungarian Empire and Mozart and his contemporaries thought of themselves as “German” hence the line;

    “The greatest trick the Austrians ever pulled was convincing the world that Hitler was German and Mozart was Austrian.”
    They really did get away with it, the Austrians. “Oh we’re just this cute alpine country, we never did nuffink, have a pretzel”

    Whereas they were a fundamental and eager part of the Third Reich, and loads of leading Nazis - starting with Adolf - were Austrian. They even dodged communism despite the red army seizing half the country
    It’s a very shifty country. Vienna is like an entrepôt of espionage and shady business where the Russians were never really restricted during the Cold War onwards. I think the country sold its soul, being neutral and allowing open Soviet behaviour in return for their wealth to be unaffected, the streets beautiful, none of that expensive dirty work of being a good ally.

    I know of a good number of Russian businesses and individuals who relied on Austria giving them a cloak of respectability for basing themselves there.
    Yes, even now there’s a shadiness to Austria. A bit like the Swiss but worse because of the overt Nazi links

    A leering face hiding behind the dirndl skirts
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,059
    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I won't be able to fly my flag of St George anymore? That's a real blow.
    What we gonna do when alt-right populism fails utterly to deliver on its snake oil promises and falls into utter contempt?
    The 600,000 adults scheduled for deportation will become 6,000,000. And when that doesn't stop the rapes and crime (mostly committed by people like us...) it'll be anyone who are, or look, different.
    Yes once removing migrants doesn’t do the job of cheering up the public they’ll move onto the next scapegoats . The Trumpification of the UK will go into warp drive with Reform in power .
    Course they will. Have a lie down pet. You’re stressing yourself.
    I’m not stressing myself thanks . If I want to escape at the time I will .
    Good, fuck off.
    How lovely . I tend not to tell other posters to fxck off but clearly we’ve touched a nerve and have dared criticise your “ working class hero Farage “ !
    Mister @Taz votes Labour, I believe

    A lot of people on here are hyperventilating at the prospect of a populist right party gaining power. They should ask themselves why that is now a very real prospect - because of decades of grotesque errors by the Tories AND Labour, especially on immigration, but other things too

    Anyway it’s now time for us all to support Big Nigel and pray that he succeeds. Coz after him - if he fails - it might be something much worse (of left OR right)

    Coincidentally I’ve just read a guide to Austria and it claims Arnold Schwarzenegger is “probably the most famous Austrian in history”

    Er….
    They won’t want to publicise the other famous Austrian.
    Call me Mr Elitist but I’d also put Mozart just a notch above Arnie. Much as I love Predator, &c
    There is an argument that Mozart isn’t Austrian as there wasn’t a country of Austria at the time, Salzburg was a city state allied to Australia-Hungarian Empire and Mozart and his contemporaries thought of themselves as “German” hence the line;

    “The greatest trick the Austrians ever pulled was convincing the world that Hitler was German and Mozart was Austrian.”
    Salzburg was a Prince-Archbishopric, not a Free City.

    Hitler wasn't German until 1932 and there was some shenanigans with the state of Brunswick https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalization_of_Adolf_Hitler

  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,577

    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I won't be able to fly my flag of St George anymore? That's a real blow.
    What we gonna do when alt-right populism fails utterly to deliver on its snake oil promises and falls into utter contempt?
    The 600,000 adults scheduled for deportation will become 6,000,000. And when that doesn't stop the rapes and crime (mostly committed by people like us...) it'll be anyone who are, or look, different.
    Yes once removing migrants doesn’t do the job of cheering up the public they’ll move onto the next scapegoats . The Trumpification of the UK will go into warp drive with Reform in power .
    Course they will. Have a lie down pet. You’re stressing yourself.
    I’m not stressing myself thanks . If I want to escape at the time I will .
    Good, fuck off.
    How lovely . I tend not to tell other posters to fxck off but clearly we’ve touched a nerve and have dared criticise your “ working class hero Farage “ !
    Mister @Taz votes Labour, I believe

    A lot of people on here are hyperventilating at the prospect of a populist right party gaining power. They should ask themselves why that is now a very real prospect - because of decades of grotesque errors by the Tories AND Labour, especially on immigration, but other things too

    Anyway it’s now time for us all to support Big Nigel and pray that he succeeds. Coz after him - if he fails - it might be something much worse (of left OR right)

    Coincidentally I’ve just read a guide to Austria and it claims Arnold Schwarzenegger is “probably the most famous Austrian in history”

    Er….
    Didn’t Hitler have to take German citizenship/nationality to stand for President?
    I would have said Mozart is the most famous Austrian.
    It's an interesting question. There are loads of people who would have heard of Mozart, but not be able to name a single piece of music by him. I'd guess that many more people would have heard of Arnie, *and* be able to name a film by him. Which makes sense, as he is much more culturally significant *at the moment*.

    An interesting question is where they will be placed in 100 years: would Arnie's fame fade as Mozart remains at the same level, or will Arnie be known like another Chaplin?
    I don’t believe that’s true. Arnie’s fame is fading. His last big movie was two decades ago? Three?

    Young people have likely never heard of him

    Whereas Mozart is MOZART. You’ve heard of him even if you can’t go into details
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,224
    edited August 26

    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Factoid of the day?


    David Brindle
    @DavidJ_Brindle
    ·
    32m
    There are too many charities doing the same things but numbers continue to rise - a record 1,000 applications in July.

    Reckon @ChtyCommission needs to raise the bar.

    https://x.com/DavidJ_Brindle/status/1960387252082593951

    There are something like 150 military charities. I believe there is still a Lancaster Tail Gunner's charity although I CBA to google.
    A tail gunners description of the journey back from Hamburg as it was consumed in the fire storm is both compelling and horrifying in equal measure. Apparently the fire could be seen 150 miles away. (Obv at altitude in a Lanc).
    As a kid, my dad stood in the New Forest and saw the glow as Southampton burned.
    Your father was a child in world war 2?!

    He must have had you very late? I’m not claiming you’re lying I’m just startled by the age implications
    I'm 52. He was born in 1936. So I was born when he was 37 - as a youngest child. My son was born when I was 41.

    The Southampton burnings would have occurred when he was between four and eight. As he was in the area later in the war, he would have missed the main blitz on the city.

    As an aside, a friend of ours has a son the same age as our son. His *father* served in WW2 as a medic, and became a priest after the war.
    My father witnessed Liverpool docks burning in the distance from a small village in Lancashire.

    A stray bomb hit the village shop and he managed to sleep through it.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,689
    edited August 26
    Leon said:

    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I won't be able to fly my flag of St George anymore? That's a real blow.
    What we gonna do when alt-right populism fails utterly to deliver on its snake oil promises and falls into utter contempt?
    The 600,000 adults scheduled for deportation will become 6,000,000. And when that doesn't stop the rapes and crime (mostly committed by people like us...) it'll be anyone who are, or look, different.
    Yes once removing migrants doesn’t do the job of cheering up the public they’ll move onto the next scapegoats . The Trumpification of the UK will go into warp drive with Reform in power .
    Course they will. Have a lie down pet. You’re stressing yourself.
    I’m not stressing myself thanks . If I want to escape at the time I will .
    Good, fuck off.
    How lovely . I tend not to tell other posters to fxck off but clearly we’ve touched a nerve and have dared criticise your “ working class hero Farage “ !
    Mister @Taz votes Labour, I believe

    A lot of people on here are hyperventilating at the prospect of a populist right party gaining power. They should ask themselves why that is now a very real prospect - because of decades of grotesque errors by the Tories AND Labour, especially on immigration, but other things too

    Anyway it’s now time for us all to support Big Nigel and pray that he succeeds. Coz after him - if he fails - it might be something much worse (of left OR right)

    Coincidentally I’ve just read a guide to Austria and it claims Arnold Schwarzenegger is “probably the most famous Austrian in history”

    Er….
    Didn’t Hitler have to take German citizenship/nationality to stand for President?
    I would have said Mozart is the most famous Austrian.
    It's an interesting question. There are loads of people who would have heard of Mozart, but not be able to name a single piece of music by him. I'd guess that many more people would have heard of Arnie, *and* be able to name a film by him. Which makes sense, as he is much more culturally significant *at the moment*.

    An interesting question is where they will be placed in 100 years: would Arnie's fame fade as Mozart remains at the same level, or will Arnie be known like another Chaplin?
    I don’t believe that’s true. Arnie’s fame is fading. His last big movie was two decades ago? Three?

    Young people have likely never heard of him

    Whereas Mozart is MOZART. You’ve heard of him even if you can’t go into details
    Young people have likely never heard of him. Falco's rap (in German!) was, what, 39 years ago?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVikZ8Oe_XA
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,059
    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I won't be able to fly my flag of St George anymore? That's a real blow.
    What we gonna do when alt-right populism fails utterly to deliver on its snake oil promises and falls into utter contempt?
    The 600,000 adults scheduled for deportation will become 6,000,000. And when that doesn't stop the rapes and crime (mostly committed by people like us...) it'll be anyone who are, or look, different.
    Yes once removing migrants doesn’t do the job of cheering up the public they’ll move onto the next scapegoats . The Trumpification of the UK will go into warp drive with Reform in power .
    Course they will. Have a lie down pet. You’re stressing yourself.
    I’m not stressing myself thanks . If I want to escape at the time I will .
    Good, fuck off.
    How lovely . I tend not to tell other posters to fxck off but clearly we’ve touched a nerve and have dared criticise your “ working class hero Farage “ !
    Mister @Taz votes Labour, I believe

    A lot of people on here are hyperventilating at the prospect of a populist right party gaining power. They should ask themselves why that is now a very real prospect - because of decades of grotesque errors by the Tories AND Labour, especially on immigration, but other things too

    Anyway it’s now time for us all to support Big Nigel and pray that he succeeds. Coz after him - if he fails - it might be something much worse (of left OR right)

    Coincidentally I’ve just read a guide to Austria and it claims Arnold Schwarzenegger is “probably the most famous Austrian in history”

    Er….
    They won’t want to publicise the other famous Austrian.
    Call me Mr Elitist but I’d also put Mozart just a notch above Arnie. Much as I love Predator, &c
    There is an argument that Mozart isn’t Austrian as there wasn’t a country of Austria at the time, Salzburg was a city state allied to Australia-Hungarian Empire and Mozart and his contemporaries thought of themselves as “German” hence the line;

    “The greatest trick the Austrians ever pulled was convincing the world that Hitler was German and Mozart was Austrian.”
    They really did get away with it, the Austrians. “Oh we’re just this cute alpine country, we never did nuffink, have a pretzel”

    Whereas they were a fundamental and eager part of the Third Reich, and loads of leading Nazis - starting with Adolf - were Austrian. They even dodged communism despite the red army seizing half the country
    It’s a very shifty country. Vienna is like an entrepôt of espionage and shady business where the Russians were never really restricted during the Cold War onwards. I think the country sold its soul, being neutral and allowing open Soviet behaviour in return for their wealth to be unaffected, the streets beautiful, none of that expensive dirty work of being a good ally.

    I know of a good number of Russian businesses and individuals who relied on Austria giving them a cloak of respectability for basing themselves there.
    Yes, even now there’s a shadiness to Austria. A bit like the Swiss but worse because of the overt Nazi links

    A leering face hiding behind the dirndl skirts
    I happened to be in Graz last year, on Austrian National Day. Ended up having a good session in a bar where the landlady made her own vermouth, and very good Negronis as a result. The locals were singing Austrian folk and pop sings (politically uncontroversial, as far as I could tell).

    Now, I would have thought Austrian National Day would have commemorated the day Jan Sobieski showed up at the gates of Vienna with 20,000 winged hussars and rescued them from the Turks, but actually it's the day Stalin said they could be a country again, as long as they were neutral. Hence Austria's place on the front line of the cold war
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,186
    Do we know if Starmer has "tested the water" with regards to an amendment to the ECHR?

    Protocols amending it have been ratified before, most recently in 2021. What I don't know is if all 47 signatories need to agree before it enters into force. Because, if they do, that means Russia has a power of veto.

    It doesn't affect them because they just do what they want but we have a strong Rule of Law so it feels like checkmate to me: we can't change it, Russia will block; we can't ignore it, because we have Rule of Law; we can't easily withdraw, because GFA and the TCA; and we can't leave things as they are either.

    https://www.coe.int/en/web/human-rights-convention/amendments-to-the-convention
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,426
    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I won't be able to fly my flag of St George anymore? That's a real blow.
    What we gonna do when alt-right populism fails utterly to deliver on its snake oil promises and falls into utter contempt?
    The 600,000 adults scheduled for deportation will become 6,000,000. And when that doesn't stop the rapes and crime (mostly committed by people like us...) it'll be anyone who are, or look, different.
    Yes once removing migrants doesn’t do the job of cheering up the public they’ll move onto the next scapegoats . The Trumpification of the UK will go into warp drive with Reform in power .
    Course they will. Have a lie down pet. You’re stressing yourself.
    I’m not stressing myself thanks . If I want to escape at the time I will .
    Good, fuck off.
    How lovely . I tend not to tell other posters to fxck off but clearly we’ve touched a nerve and have dared criticise your “ working class hero Farage “ !
    Mister @Taz votes Labour, I believe

    A lot of people on here are hyperventilating at the prospect of a populist right party gaining power. They should ask themselves why that is now a very real prospect - because of decades of grotesque errors by the Tories AND Labour, especially on immigration, but other things too

    Anyway it’s now time for us all to support Big Nigel and pray that he succeeds. Coz after him - if he fails - it might be something much worse (of left OR right)

    Coincidentally I’ve just read a guide to Austria and it claims Arnold Schwarzenegger is “probably the most famous Austrian in history”

    Er….
    They won’t want to publicise the other famous Austrian.
    Call me Mr Elitist but I’d also put Mozart just a notch above Arnie. Much as I love Predator, &c
    There is an argument that Mozart isn’t Austrian as there wasn’t a country of Austria at the time, Salzburg was a city state allied to Australia-Hungarian Empire and Mozart and his contemporaries thought of themselves as “German” hence the line;

    “The greatest trick the Austrians ever pulled was convincing the world that Hitler was German and Mozart was Austrian.”
    They really did get away with it, the Austrians. “Oh we’re just this cute alpine country, we never did nuffink, have a pretzel”

    Whereas they were a fundamental and eager part of the Third Reich, and loads of leading Nazis - starting with Adolf - were Austrian. They even dodged communism despite the red army seizing half the country
    It’s a very shifty country. Vienna is like an entrepôt of espionage and shady business where the Russians were never really restricted during the Cold War onwards. I think the country sold its soul, being neutral and allowing open Soviet behaviour in return for their wealth to be unaffected, the streets beautiful, none of that expensive dirty work of being a good ally.

    I know of a good number of Russian businesses and individuals who relied on Austria giving them a cloak of respectability for basing themselves there.
    Yes, even now there’s a shadiness to Austria. A bit like the Swiss but worse because of the overt Nazi links

    A leering face hiding behind the dirndl skirts
    A small Nazi sympathising country with faded glory that used to have a empire. If Reform get into government, the UK could twin with Austria
  • Do we know if Starmer has "tested the water" with regards to an amendment to the ECHR?

    Protocols amending it have been ratified before, most recently in 2021. What I don't know is if all 47 signatories need to agree before it enters into force. Because, if they do, that means Russia has a power of veto.

    It doesn't affect them because they just do what they want but we have a strong Rule of Law so it feels like checkmate to me: we can't change it, Russia will block; we can't ignore it, because we have Rule of Law; we can't easily withdraw, because GFA and the TCA; and we can't leave things as they are either.

    https://www.coe.int/en/web/human-rights-convention/amendments-to-the-convention

    Russia left after the latest Ukraine war began, they're no longer members and won't have veto powers.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,186
    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I won't be able to fly my flag of St George anymore? That's a real blow.
    What we gonna do when alt-right populism fails utterly to deliver on its snake oil promises and falls into utter contempt?



    Vote jezbollah. It’s perfectly possible. If the hard right fails then try the hard left

    We are in the 1930s redux
    we have tried labour and Tory and the Lib Dem’s. All have been useless. Why not try Reform or the Jezziah party.
    My editor at the Gazette - a very smart young chap who predicted Badenoch would be exactly what she is - a lightweight failure - is of this opinion. Reform will win, but fail, then voters will swing hard left in desperation

    I’m not quite convinced. Not least because external events are likely to overwhelm domestic politics
    Hard Left means an assault on private property rights and the nationalisation of private pension pots.
  • lintolinto Posts: 50
    kle4 said:

    Factoid of the day?


    David Brindle
    @DavidJ_Brindle
    ·
    32m
    There are too many charities doing the same things but numbers continue to rise - a record 1,000 applications in July.

    Reckon @ChtyCommission needs to raise the bar.

    https://x.com/DavidJ_Brindle/status/1960387252082593951

    It does seem a ridiculous number, unless there are a lot of hyper local charities making up the bulk of it.
    A lot of them will be very small charities set up by families etc following an injury/ death. My brother works in the charity sector and it drives him crazy as these tiny organisations set up, rinse their friends and family, buy a new scanner the ward hasn't asked for and then fold as they've moved on/burnt out. Many would be better fund raising for an existing local charity, more impactful and long lasting. But not as intensely personal.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,204

    Do we know if Starmer has "tested the water" with regards to an amendment to the ECHR?

    Protocols amending it have been ratified before, most recently in 2021. What I don't know is if all 47 signatories need to agree before it enters into force. Because, if they do, that means Russia has a power of veto.

    It doesn't affect them because they just do what they want but we have a strong Rule of Law so it feels like checkmate to me: we can't change it, Russia will block; we can't ignore it, because we have Rule of Law; we can't easily withdraw, because GFA and the TCA; and we can't leave things as they are either.

    https://www.coe.int/en/web/human-rights-convention/amendments-to-the-convention

    Zugzwang rather than checkmate I think

  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,577

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I won't be able to fly my flag of St George anymore? That's a real blow.
    What we gonna do when alt-right populism fails utterly to deliver on its snake oil promises and falls into utter contempt?
    The 600,000 adults scheduled for deportation will become 6,000,000. And when that doesn't stop the rapes and crime (mostly committed by people like us...) it'll be anyone who are, or look, different.
    Yes once removing migrants doesn’t do the job of cheering up the public they’ll move onto the next scapegoats . The Trumpification of the UK will go into warp drive with Reform in power .
    Course they will. Have a lie down pet. You’re stressing yourself.
    I’m not stressing myself thanks . If I want to escape at the time I will .
    Good, fuck off.
    How lovely . I tend not to tell other posters to fxck off but clearly we’ve touched a nerve and have dared criticise your “ working class hero Farage “ !
    Mister @Taz votes Labour, I believe

    A lot of people on here are hyperventilating at the prospect of a populist right party gaining power. They should ask themselves why that is now a very real prospect - because of decades of grotesque errors by the Tories AND Labour, especially on immigration, but other things too

    Anyway it’s now time for us all to support Big Nigel and pray that he succeeds. Coz after him - if he fails - it might be something much worse (of left OR right)

    Coincidentally I’ve just read a guide to Austria and it claims Arnold Schwarzenegger is “probably the most famous Austrian in history”

    Er….
    They won’t want to publicise the other famous Austrian.
    Call me Mr Elitist but I’d also put Mozart just a notch above Arnie. Much as I love Predator, &c
    There is an argument that Mozart isn’t Austrian as there wasn’t a country of Austria at the time, Salzburg was a city state allied to Australia-Hungarian Empire and Mozart and his contemporaries thought of themselves as “German” hence the line;

    “The greatest trick the Austrians ever pulled was convincing the world that Hitler was German and Mozart was Austrian.”
    They really did get away with it, the Austrians. “Oh we’re just this cute alpine country, we never did nuffink, have a pretzel”

    Whereas they were a fundamental and eager part of the Third Reich, and loads of leading Nazis - starting with Adolf - were Austrian. They even dodged communism despite the red army seizing half the country
    It’s a very shifty country. Vienna is like an entrepôt of espionage and shady business where the Russians were never really restricted during the Cold War onwards. I think the country sold its soul, being neutral and allowing open Soviet behaviour in return for their wealth to be unaffected, the streets beautiful, none of that expensive dirty work of being a good ally.

    I know of a good number of Russian businesses and individuals who relied on Austria giving them a cloak of respectability for basing themselves there.
    Yes, even now there’s a shadiness to Austria. A bit like the Swiss but worse because of the overt Nazi links

    A leering face hiding behind the dirndl skirts
    I happened to be in Graz last year, on Austrian National Day. Ended up having a good session in a bar where the landlady made her own vermouth, and very good Negronis as a result. The locals were singing Austrian folk and pop sings (politically uncontroversial, as far as I could tell).

    Now, I would have thought Austrian National Day would have commemorated the day Jan Sobieski showed up at the gates of Vienna with 20,000 winged hussars and rescued them from the Turks, but actually it's the day Stalin said they could be a country again, as long as they were neutral. Hence Austria's place on the front line of the cold war
    I’m on the evening train to Graz right now. Spending a couple of days there. Is it nice? I’m doing a tour of Styria for Mantickler Monthly. Styria is widely known as “the Tuscany of Central Europe” tho it should be noted that I basically made that up when I pitched the idea to my editor
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,945
    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I won't be able to fly my flag of St George anymore? That's a real blow.
    What we gonna do when alt-right populism fails utterly to deliver on its snake oil promises and falls into utter contempt?
    The 600,000 adults scheduled for deportation will become 6,000,000. And when that doesn't stop the rapes and crime (mostly committed by people like us...) it'll be anyone who are, or look, different.
    Yes once removing migrants doesn’t do the job of cheering up the public they’ll move onto the next scapegoats . The Trumpification of the UK will go into warp drive with Reform in power .
    Course they will. Have a lie down pet. You’re stressing yourself.
    I’m not stressing myself thanks . If I want to escape at the time I will .
    Good, fuck off.
    How lovely . I tend not to tell other posters to fxck off but clearly we’ve touched a nerve and have dared criticise your “ working class hero Farage “ !
    Mister @Taz votes Labour, I believe

    A lot of people on here are hyperventilating at the prospect of a populist right party gaining power. They should ask themselves why that is now a very real prospect - because of decades of grotesque errors by the Tories AND Labour, especially on immigration, but other things too

    Anyway it’s now time for us all to support Big Nigel and pray that he succeeds. Coz after him - if he fails - it might be something much worse (of left OR right)

    Coincidentally I’ve just read a guide to Austria and it claims Arnold Schwarzenegger is “probably the most famous Austrian in history”

    Er….
    They won’t want to publicise the other famous Austrian.
    Call me Mr Elitist but I’d also put Mozart just a notch above Arnie. Much as I love Predator, &c
    There is an argument that Mozart isn’t Austrian as there wasn’t a country of Austria at the time, Salzburg was a city state allied to Australia-Hungarian Empire and Mozart and his contemporaries thought of themselves as “German” hence the line;

    “The greatest trick the Austrians ever pulled was convincing the world that Hitler was German and Mozart was Austrian.”
    They really did get away with it, the Austrians. “Oh we’re just this cute alpine country, we never did nuffink, have a pretzel”

    Whereas they were a fundamental and eager part of the Third Reich, and loads of leading Nazis - starting with Adolf - were Austrian. They even dodged communism despite the red army seizing half the country
    It’s a very shifty country. Vienna is like an entrepôt of espionage and shady business where the Russians were never really restricted during the Cold War onwards. I think the country sold its soul, being neutral and allowing open Soviet behaviour in return for their wealth to be unaffected, the streets beautiful, none of that expensive dirty work of being a good ally.

    I know of a good number of Russian businesses and individuals who relied on Austria giving them a cloak of respectability for basing themselves there.
    Yes, even now there’s a shadiness to Austria. A bit like the Swiss but worse because of the overt Nazi links

    A leering face hiding behind the dirndl skirts
    I lived in Vienna. It did have a heavy atmosphere.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,186

    Do we know if Starmer has "tested the water" with regards to an amendment to the ECHR?

    Protocols amending it have been ratified before, most recently in 2021. What I don't know is if all 47 signatories need to agree before it enters into force. Because, if they do, that means Russia has a power of veto.

    It doesn't affect them because they just do what they want but we have a strong Rule of Law so it feels like checkmate to me: we can't change it, Russia will block; we can't ignore it, because we have Rule of Law; we can't easily withdraw, because GFA and the TCA; and we can't leave things as they are either.

    https://www.coe.int/en/web/human-rights-convention/amendments-to-the-convention

    Russia left after the latest Ukraine war began, they're no longer members and won't have veto powers.
    I didn't know that.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,931
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I won't be able to fly my flag of St George anymore? That's a real blow.
    It's the flag of the Red Cross, Just add the word GAZA and Musk's tweet might have meaning
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,577
    edited August 26
    There is something deeply romantic about obscure railway lines in mainland europe at night in the summer

    The humid buzz of insects around a lonely station light. The stop where no one gets on and no one gets off, as the moon shines down. Two interrailing girls all excited down the carriage as they open a beer that got warm and fizzy. Strange languages. Hints of Slav

    The equivalent in the USA must be gas stations on road trips on state roads to nowhere on a lazy hot afternoon. Weird forms of beef jerky. A fat woman at the til full of life and friendliness. Someone kicks a tyre in the dust outside, as you stare in the enormous fridge then buy a six pack of craft ale
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,520
    edited August 26
    'aint gonna be no big cheque coming from Tesla:



    Elon Musk

    @elonmusk
    ·
    1h
    Unfortunately, the reality is that Farage will do almost nothing to protect Britain. That is obvious.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,931
    edited August 26
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I won't be able to fly my flag of St George anymore? That's a real blow.
    What we gonna do when alt-right populism fails utterly to deliver on its snake oil promises and falls into utter contempt?
    The 600,000 adults scheduled for deportation will become 6,000,000. And when that doesn't stop the rapes and crime (mostly committed by people like us...) it'll be anyone who are, or look, different.
    Yes once removing migrants doesn’t do the job of cheering up the public they’ll move onto the next scapegoats . The Trumpification of the UK will go into warp drive with Reform in power .
    Course they will. Have a lie down pet. You’re stressing yourself.
    I’m not stressing myself thanks . If I want to escape at the time I will .
    Good, fuck off.
    How lovely . I tend not to tell other posters to fxck off but clearly we’ve touched a nerve and have dared criticise your “ working class hero Farage “ !
    Mister @Taz votes Labour, I believe

    A lot of people on here are hyperventilating at the prospect of a populist right party gaining power. They should ask themselves why that is now a very real prospect - because of decades of grotesque errors by the Tories AND Labour, especially on immigration, but other things too

    Anyway it’s now time for us all to support Big Nigel and pray that he succeeds. Coz after him - if he fails - it might be something much worse (of left OR right)

    Coincidentally I’ve just read a guide to Austria and it claims Arnold Schwarzenegger is “probably the most famous Austrian in history”

    Er….
    They won’t want to publicise the other famous Austrian.
    Call me Mr Elitist but I’d also put Mozart just a notch above Arnie. Much as I love Predator, &c
    There is an argument that Mozart isn’t Austrian as there wasn’t a country of Austria at the time, Salzburg was a city state allied to Australia-Hungarian Empire and Mozart and his contemporaries thought of themselves as “German” hence the line;

    “The greatest trick the Austrians ever pulled was convincing the world that Hitler was German and Mozart was Austrian.”
    They really did get away with it, the Austrians. “Oh we’re just this cute alpine country, we never did nuffink, have a pretzel”

    Whereas they were a fundamental and eager part of the Third Reich, and loads of leading Nazis - starting with Adolf - were Austrian. They even dodged communism despite the red army seizing half the country
    It’s a very shifty country. Vienna is like an entrepôt of espionage and shady business where the Russians were never really restricted during the Cold War onwards. I think the country sold its soul, being neutral and allowing open Soviet behaviour in return for their wealth to be unaffected, the streets beautiful, none of that expensive dirty work of being a good ally.

    I know of a good number of Russian businesses and individuals who relied on Austria giving them a cloak of respectability for basing themselves there.
    Yes, even now there’s a shadiness to Austria. A bit like the Swiss but worse because of the overt Nazi links

    A leering face hiding behind the dirndl skirts
    I lived in Vienna. It did have a heavy atmosphere.
    I did a job there and stayed in the Bristol Hotel. I enjoyed it though it wouldn't be in my top 10 EU capitals
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,831

    Do we know if Starmer has "tested the water" with regards to an amendment to the ECHR?

    Protocols amending it have been ratified before, most recently in 2021. What I don't know is if all 47 signatories need to agree before it enters into force. Because, if they do, that means Russia has a power of veto.

    It doesn't affect them because they just do what they want but we have a strong Rule of Law so it feels like checkmate to me: we can't change it, Russia will block; we can't ignore it, because we have Rule of Law; we can't easily withdraw, because GFA and the TCA; and we can't leave things as they are either.

    https://www.coe.int/en/web/human-rights-convention/amendments-to-the-convention

    Looking at the date ordering of that list, it seems these amendments can take a while to work through the system.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,001
    Leon said:

    There is something deeply romantic about obscure railway lines in mainland europe at night in the summer

    The humid buzz of insects around a lonely station light. The stop where no one gets on and no one gets off, as the moon shines down. Two interrailing girls all excited down the carriage as they open a beer that got warm and fizzy. Strange languages. Hints of Slav

    The equivalent in the USA must be gas stations on road trips on state roads to nowhere on a lazy hot afternoon. Weird forms of beef jerky. A fat woman at the til full of life and friendliness. Someone kicks a tyre in the dust outside, as you stare in the enormous fridge then buy a six pack of craft ale

    When I was at the train station in Munich a few years back, well you can see how the idea of the EU sprang up !
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,169
    Leon said:

    There is something deeply romantic about obscure railway lines in mainland europe at night in the summer

    The humid buzz of insects around a lonely station light. The stop where no one gets on and no one gets off, as the moon shines down. Two interrailing girls all excited down the carriage as they open a beer that got warm and fizzy. Strange languages. Hints of Slav

    The equivalent in the USA must be gas stations on road trips on state roads to nowhere on a lazy hot afternoon. Weird forms of beef jerky. A fat woman at the til full of life and friendliness. Someone kicks a tyre in the dust outside, as you stare in the enormous fridge then buy a six pack of craft ale

    Very Adlestrop.

    Was Edward Thomas related to your old mate ?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,577
    edited August 26

    Leon said:

    There is something deeply romantic about obscure railway lines in mainland europe at night in the summer

    The humid buzz of insects around a lonely station light. The stop where no one gets on and no one gets off, as the moon shines down. Two interrailing girls all excited down the carriage as they open a beer that got warm and fizzy. Strange languages. Hints of Slav

    The equivalent in the USA must be gas stations on road trips on state roads to nowhere on a lazy hot afternoon. Weird forms of beef jerky. A fat woman at the til full of life and friendliness. Someone kicks a tyre in the dust outside, as you stare in the enormous fridge then buy a six pack of craft ale

    Very Adlestrop.

    Was Edward Thomas related to your old mate ?
    No

    I do love Adlestrop tho, glad someone noted the reference!

    I’m just trying to work out if there is a British equivalent to these oddly romantic travel moments but I’m not sure we have them. Because you need the size and scale of a continent to conjure it

    The idea that the line or road goes on and on, and will take you past mountains and forests and through weird cities and different landscapes, thousands of miles, and you are lost in the middle of it

    You can’t do that in the uk. You can’t feel lost in the vastness. Too small. However you can get lost in the intensity of history - packed in to such a small space. And we have the romance of being an island, the sea is always spiritually close

    Yes I have had tramadol and burgenland wine
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,169

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I won't be able to fly my flag of St George anymore? That's a real blow.
    What we gonna do when alt-right populism fails utterly to deliver on its snake oil promises and falls into utter contempt?



    Vote jezbollah. It’s perfectly possible. If the hard right fails then try the hard left

    We are in the 1930s redux
    we have tried labour and Tory and the Lib Dem’s. All have been useless. Why not try Reform or the Jezziah party.
    My editor at the Gazette - a very smart young chap who predicted Badenoch would be exactly what she is - a lightweight failure - is of this opinion. Reform will win, but fail, then voters will swing hard left in desperation

    I’m not quite convinced. Not least because external events are likely to overwhelm domestic politics
    Hard Left means an assault on private property rights and the nationalisation of private pension pots.
    Something which those who think that they get a free roll of the dice with Reform should remember.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,059
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I won't be able to fly my flag of St George anymore? That's a real blow.
    What we gonna do when alt-right populism fails utterly to deliver on its snake oil promises and falls into utter contempt?
    The 600,000 adults scheduled for deportation will become 6,000,000. And when that doesn't stop the rapes and crime (mostly committed by people like us...) it'll be anyone who are, or look, different.
    Yes once removing migrants doesn’t do the job of cheering up the public they’ll move onto the next scapegoats . The Trumpification of the UK will go into warp drive with Reform in power .
    Course they will. Have a lie down pet. You’re stressing yourself.
    I’m not stressing myself thanks . If I want to escape at the time I will .
    Good, fuck off.
    How lovely . I tend not to tell other posters to fxck off but clearly we’ve touched a nerve and have dared criticise your “ working class hero Farage “ !
    Mister @Taz votes Labour, I believe

    A lot of people on here are hyperventilating at the prospect of a populist right party gaining power. They should ask themselves why that is now a very real prospect - because of decades of grotesque errors by the Tories AND Labour, especially on immigration, but other things too

    Anyway it’s now time for us all to support Big Nigel and pray that he succeeds. Coz after him - if he fails - it might be something much worse (of left OR right)

    Coincidentally I’ve just read a guide to Austria and it claims Arnold Schwarzenegger is “probably the most famous Austrian in history”

    Er….
    They won’t want to publicise the other famous Austrian.
    Call me Mr Elitist but I’d also put Mozart just a notch above Arnie. Much as I love Predator, &c
    There is an argument that Mozart isn’t Austrian as there wasn’t a country of Austria at the time, Salzburg was a city state allied to Australia-Hungarian Empire and Mozart and his contemporaries thought of themselves as “German” hence the line;

    “The greatest trick the Austrians ever pulled was convincing the world that Hitler was German and Mozart was Austrian.”
    They really did get away with it, the Austrians. “Oh we’re just this cute alpine country, we never did nuffink, have a pretzel”

    Whereas they were a fundamental and eager part of the Third Reich, and loads of leading Nazis - starting with Adolf - were Austrian. They even dodged communism despite the red army seizing half the country
    It’s a very shifty country. Vienna is like an entrepôt of espionage and shady business where the Russians were never really restricted during the Cold War onwards. I think the country sold its soul, being neutral and allowing open Soviet behaviour in return for their wealth to be unaffected, the streets beautiful, none of that expensive dirty work of being a good ally.

    I know of a good number of Russian businesses and individuals who relied on Austria giving them a cloak of respectability for basing themselves there.
    Yes, even now there’s a shadiness to Austria. A bit like the Swiss but worse because of the overt Nazi links

    A leering face hiding behind the dirndl skirts
    I happened to be in Graz last year, on Austrian National Day. Ended up having a good session in a bar where the landlady made her own vermouth, and very good Negronis as a result. The locals were singing Austrian folk and pop sings (politically uncontroversial, as far as I could tell).

    Now, I would have thought Austrian National Day would have commemorated the day Jan Sobieski showed up at the gates of Vienna with 20,000 winged hussars and rescued them from the Turks, but actually it's the day Stalin said they could be a country again, as long as they were neutral. Hence Austria's place on the front line of the cold war
    I’m on the evening train to Graz right now. Spending a couple of days there. Is it nice? I’m doing a tour of Styria for Mantickler Monthly. Styria is widely known as “the Tuscany of Central Europe” tho it should be noted that I basically made that up when I pitched the idea to my editor
    Yes it is. Locals are friendly, and it's a lot cheaper than Vienna, seems to have quite a lot of EU expat residents. Very pretty, scenic train ride from Vienna, pity you are doing it after dark. The Landeszeughaus is a 17th century armoury and UNESCO World Heritage site, has a nice castle up the hill in town and Schloß Schellenburg just outside. Have a Negroni at Vintage Cafe Bar. Syria also continues into Slovenia - the former Austrian crownland was split on linguistic lines after WW1. I didn't get out of Graz to explore the countryside but I did have a day trip to Maribor.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,931
    PS Why are the BBC leading with Farage? Not smart of Badenocjh to ape him i'd have thought.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,186

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised the England flag - following Musk’s intervention - is now likely to become the international symbol of alt.right populism and western nativism

    Making it extremely problematic for left wingers and a shame for Gareth Southgate

    I won't be able to fly my flag of St George anymore? That's a real blow.
    What we gonna do when alt-right populism fails utterly to deliver on its snake oil promises and falls into utter contempt?



    Vote jezbollah. It’s perfectly possible. If the hard right fails then try the hard left

    We are in the 1930s redux
    we have tried labour and Tory and the Lib Dem’s. All have been useless. Why not try Reform or the Jezziah party.
    My editor at the Gazette - a very smart young chap who predicted Badenoch would be exactly what she is - a lightweight failure - is of this opinion. Reform will win, but fail, then voters will swing hard left in desperation

    I’m not quite convinced. Not least because external events are likely to overwhelm domestic politics
    Hard Left means an assault on private property rights and the nationalisation of private pension pots.
    Something which those who think that they get a free roll of the dice with Reform should remember.
    Indeed.
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