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Happy 100th birthday to the most favourable party in Wales – politicalbetting.com

As they celebrate their 100th birthday, Plaid Cymru are the most favourably viewed party in WalesPlaid Cymru: 46% favourable (+10 net)Greens: 38% (-1)Lib Dems: 38% (-3)Reform UK: 30% (-28)Labour: 30% (-30)Conservatives: 19% (-51)yougov.co.uk/politics/art…

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rcs1000

First, natch.

dixiedean

Second.
What are the odds on Wales hosting the next IndyRef?

Scott_xP

rcs1000 said:

First, natch.

In the same way as Trump was first in 2020

wooliedyed

I think the Welsh Tories would describe that polling as 'sub optimal'

Scott_xP

This is quite entertaining

https://x.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1952740227107131864

Malmesbury

kle4 said:

SandyRentool said:

Pulpstar said:

NASA's plans to stick a nuclear reactor on the moon by 2030 seems quick to me.

So the moon achieves Net Zero power generation by 2030. Well done to them.

Not content with leaving assorted shite on the moon, humankind now wants to turn it into a nuclear waste repository.

Not my first choice but as a barren rock at least it won't piss off any locals.

Because of the long lunar night (14 days) a reactor would be very useful for a long term base. Lots of probes die during the lunar night due to the -180c temperature. And of course, no sun for solar power.

In addition to the electrical power, the heat given off would be of great advantage - because of physics, even 30% of the power converted to electricity would be remarkable. On the moon, in the lunar night, the 70%+ “wasted” as heat would be valuable resource.

TheScreamingEagles

I am watching The Hundred by accident and they’ve got rid of those awful graphics.

FrancisUrquhart

TheScreamingEagles said:

I am watching The Hundred by accident and they’ve got rid of those awful graphics.

Just turned it on to check you aren't lying, they are still not great. Pink and green for the score / wicket and the flashing arrows.

wooliedyed

Oval invincibles looking very vincible

TheScreamingEagles

FrancisUrquhart said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

I am watching The Hundred by accident and they’ve got rid of those awful graphics.

Just turned it on to check you aren't lying, they are still not great. Pink and green for the score / wicket and the flashing arrows.

They’ve gotten rid of those ones that were vertical on both sides, they were shite and put me right off.

Pulpstar

Whats going on with Everton. 1/2 hr from nearest station !

FrancisUrquhart

TheScreamingEagles said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

I am watching The Hundred by accident and they’ve got rid of those awful graphics.

Just turned it on to check you aren't lying, they are still not great. Pink and green for the score / wicket and the flashing arrows.

They’ve gotten rid of those ones that were vertical on both sides, they were shite and put me right off.

Yes they have updated from the 70s to 80s level of graphics...

rcs1000

As an aside, my wife and I started watching Ludgwig, and fuck me, it's actually quite amusing, and I was wrong to scoff.

Of course, it all relies on the premise that the "disappeared" character never told anyone that he had an identical twin. But as far as plot devices go, that's not too ridiculous.

FrancisUrquhart

rcs1000 said:

As an aside, my wife and I started watching Ludgwig, and fuck me, it's actually quite amusing, and I was wrong to scoff.

Of course, it all relies on the premise that the "disappeared" character never told anyone that he had an identical twin. But as far as plot devices go, that's not too ridiculous.

I got very tired of it very quickly.

Nigelb

Malmesbury said:

kle4 said:

SandyRentool said:

Pulpstar said:

NASA's plans to stick a nuclear reactor on the moon by 2030 seems quick to me.

So the moon achieves Net Zero power generation by 2030. Well done to them.

Not content with leaving assorted shite on the moon, humankind now wants to turn it into a nuclear waste repository.

Not my first choice but as a barren rock at least it won't piss off any locals.

Because of the long lunar night (14 days) a reactor would be very useful for a long term base. Lots of probes die during the lunar night due to the -180c temperature. And of course, no sun for solar power.

In addition to the electrical power, the heat given off would be of great advantage - because of physics, even 30% of the power converted to electricity would be remarkable. On the moon, in the lunar night, the 70%+ “wasted” as heat would be valuable resource.

Also a problem, as what do you do with the heat during the lunar day ?
You'd want some sort of extensive heat exchange system to store it for use at night, as conventional cooling isn't going to cope with the huge environmental disparities between night and day.

Having effectively unlimited energy for melting lunar regolith, oxygen extraction etc would be pretty useful for permanent habitation, though.

OldKingCole

wooliedyed said:

I think the Welsh Tories would describe that polling as 'sub optimal'

Or generous. After all, Big G, who claims to be a Tory, isn't going to vote for them.

Cookie

FrancisUrquhart said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

I am watching The Hundred by accident and they’ve got rid of those awful graphics.

Just turned it on to check you aren't lying, they are still not great. Pink and green for the score / wicket and the flashing arrows.

They’ve gotten rid of those ones that were vertical on both sides, they were shite and put me right off.

Yes they have updated from the 70s to 80s level of graphics...

I still object to the font they used. The kerning is all wrong.

It feels like the BBC trying to appeal to da yoof in the late 80s/early 90s using Janet Street Porter. And I was da yoof in those days and I found it patronising even at the age of 15.

rcs1000

Nigelb said:

Malmesbury said:

kle4 said:

SandyRentool said:

Pulpstar said:

NASA's plans to stick a nuclear reactor on the moon by 2030 seems quick to me.

So the moon achieves Net Zero power generation by 2030. Well done to them.

Not content with leaving assorted shite on the moon, humankind now wants to turn it into a nuclear waste repository.

Not my first choice but as a barren rock at least it won't piss off any locals.

Because of the long lunar night (14 days) a reactor would be very useful for a long term base. Lots of probes die during the lunar night due to the -180c temperature. And of course, no sun for solar power.

In addition to the electrical power, the heat given off would be of great advantage - because of physics, even 30% of the power converted to electricity would be remarkable. On the moon, in the lunar night, the 70%+ “wasted” as heat would be valuable resource.

Also a problem, as what do you do with the heat during the lunar day ?
You'd want some sort of extensive heat exchange system to store it for use at night, as conventional cooling isn't going to cope with the huge environmental disparities between night and day.

Molten salt? Some kind of Sterling engine? Big fins to dissipate heat via intrared?

Concanvasser

rcs1000 said:

As an aside, my wife and I started watching Ludgwig, and fuck me, it's actually quite amusing, and I was wrong to scoff.

Of course, it all relies on the premise that the "disappeared" character never told anyone that he had an identical twin. But as far as plot devices go, that's not too ridiculous.

Agreed. Try "Bookish" with Mark Gatiss. Gentle and entertaining. An excellent cast.

Nigelb

VP JD Vance is weighing a Thursday trip to Indianapolis to press Gov. Mike Braun & GOP leaders on redrawing Indiana’s congressional map, per multiple sources familiar.
https://x.com/PunchbowlNews/status/1952693568415707411

TOPPING

FrancisUrquhart said:

rcs1000 said:

As an aside, my wife and I started watching Ludgwig, and fuck me, it's actually quite amusing, and I was wrong to scoff.

Of course, it all relies on the premise that the "disappeared" character never told anyone that he had an identical twin. But as far as plot devices go, that's not too ridiculous.

I got very tired of it very quickly.

I'm still making my mind up about The Assassin.

Cracking cast, some zinger one liners but overall I'm undecided as to whether it is actually good or not.

kle4

PC are not my favourite party but not surprised given the current atmosphere that fewer people dislike them.

kle4

Nigelb said:

VP JD Vance is weighing a Thursday trip to Indianapolis to press Gov. Mike Braun & GOP leaders on redrawing Indiana’s congressional map, per multiple sources familiar.
https://x.com/PunchbowlNews/status/1952693568415707411

Dodgy AF, even for American bi partisan gerrymandering.

Nigelb

Why would you order destroyed a well functioning climate motoring satellite ?

White House Orders NASA to Destroy Important Satellite
https://futurism.com/white-house-orders-nasa-destroy-important-satellite

kle4

TheScreamingEagles said:

I am watching The Hundred by accident and they’ve got rid of those awful graphics.

About time. I get they wanted to differentiate for the brand but stupidly poor overlays was a weird way to do it. I could differentiate my submarine company by making them out of bread but it wouldn't be a good idea.

Any bizarre camera angles?

Scott_xP

Nigelb said:

Why would you order destroyed a well functioning climate motoring satellite ?

White House Orders NASA to Destroy Important Satellite
https://futurism.com/white-house-orders-nasa-destroy-important-satellite

Maybe you sold the spot on the orbital ring to your buddy in North Korea?

Nigelb

rcs1000 said:

Nigelb said:

Malmesbury said:

kle4 said:

SandyRentool said:

Pulpstar said:

NASA's plans to stick a nuclear reactor on the moon by 2030 seems quick to me.

So the moon achieves Net Zero power generation by 2030. Well done to them.

Not content with leaving assorted shite on the moon, humankind now wants to turn it into a nuclear waste repository.

Not my first choice but as a barren rock at least it won't piss off any locals.

Because of the long lunar night (14 days) a reactor would be very useful for a long term base. Lots of probes die during the lunar night due to the -180c temperature. And of course, no sun for solar power.

In addition to the electrical power, the heat given off would be of great advantage - because of physics, even 30% of the power converted to electricity would be remarkable. On the moon, in the lunar night, the 70%+ “wasted” as heat would be valuable resource.

Also a problem, as what do you do with the heat during the lunar day ?
You'd want some sort of extensive heat exchange system to store it for use at night, as conventional cooling isn't going to cope with the huge environmental disparities between night and day.

Molten salt? Some kind of Sterling engine? Big fins to dissipate heat via intrared?

Radiative cooling isn't going to do it, I suspect.

Molten salt is great, but where do you get the salt ? You're certainly not shipping it up there.
Just heat up a large mass of regolith. The plumbing of the heat pump/heat exchanger for a lunar environment might be quite the engineering task ?

Scott_xP

@EricLDaugh

🚨 BREAKING: House Oversight Committee SUBPOENAS Pam Bondi, Trump Justice Department for Epstein records.

Nigelb

TOPPING said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

rcs1000 said:

As an aside, my wife and I started watching Ludgwig, and fuck me, it's actually quite amusing, and I was wrong to scoff.

Of course, it all relies on the premise that the "disappeared" character never told anyone that he had an identical twin. But as far as plot devices go, that's not too ridiculous.

I got very tired of it very quickly.

I'm still making my mind up about The Assassin.

Cracking cast, some zinger one liners but overall I'm undecided as to whether it is actually good or not.

Promising at the start, but essentially ran out of ideas after a couple of episodes.
Ultimately, generic stuff.

Jack Davenport should get his own vehicle, though.

Big_G_NorthWales

OldKingCole said:

wooliedyed said:

I think the Welsh Tories would describe that polling as 'sub optimal'

Or generous. After all, Big G, who claims to be a Tory, isn't going to vote for them.

I am a conservative, but it is more important to see the end of labour's time in Office in Wales so yes, I will support Plaid and expect Wales will have a Plaid First Minister

However, they have said Independence is not their objective in their first term so much like the SNP, they should attract the anti labour vote in 2026, without the controversy of Independence

Nigelb

interesting.

Locally in Taiwan, there’s growing suspicion that the 2nm process technology was leaked to Japan’s Rapidus.

People are questioning whether the technology was leaked to Rapidus through Japanese equipment suppliers
https://x.com/Jukanlosreve/status/1952719174700331233

rcs1000

FrancisUrquhart said:

rcs1000 said:

As an aside, my wife and I started watching Ludgwig, and fuck me, it's actually quite amusing, and I was wrong to scoff.

Of course, it all relies on the premise that the "disappeared" character never told anyone that he had an identical twin. But as far as plot devices go, that's not too ridiculous.

I got very tired of it very quickly.

There's only six episodes; so I think I'll probably make it to the the of the season.

I quite like the almost Wes Anderson-like exaggerated art design, with the limited pallet, and the love of centre framing.

And the female lead is superb.

Whether the highly contrived individual stories will hold my interest is another matter

Malmesbury

Nigelb said:

rcs1000 said:

Nigelb said:

Malmesbury said:

kle4 said:

SandyRentool said:

Pulpstar said:

NASA's plans to stick a nuclear reactor on the moon by 2030 seems quick to me.

So the moon achieves Net Zero power generation by 2030. Well done to them.

Not content with leaving assorted shite on the moon, humankind now wants to turn it into a nuclear waste repository.

Not my first choice but as a barren rock at least it won't piss off any locals.

Because of the long lunar night (14 days) a reactor would be very useful for a long term base. Lots of probes die during the lunar night due to the -180c temperature. And of course, no sun for solar power.

In addition to the electrical power, the heat given off would be of great advantage - because of physics, even 30% of the power converted to electricity would be remarkable. On the moon, in the lunar night, the 70%+ “wasted” as heat would be valuable resource.

Also a problem, as what do you do with the heat during the lunar day ?
You'd want some sort of extensive heat exchange system to store it for use at night, as conventional cooling isn't going to cope with the huge environmental disparities between night and day.

Molten salt? Some kind of Sterling engine? Big fins to dissipate heat via intrared?

Radiative cooling isn't going to do it, I suspect.

Molten salt is great, but where do you get the salt ? You're certainly not shipping it up there.
Just heat up a large mass of regolith. The plumbing of the heat pump/heat exchanger for a lunar environment might be quite the engineering task ?

One “interesting” design is a molten core reactor. It deliberately melts down - and stays molten. It eventually reaches thermal equilibrium with the regolith it is buried in. Run pipes through that to extract all the heat you want.

It says everything that Edward Teller liked this idea.

rcs1000

Malmesbury said:

Nigelb said:

rcs1000 said:

Nigelb said:

Malmesbury said:

kle4 said:

SandyRentool said:

Pulpstar said:

NASA's plans to stick a nuclear reactor on the moon by 2030 seems quick to me.

So the moon achieves Net Zero power generation by 2030. Well done to them.

Not content with leaving assorted shite on the moon, humankind now wants to turn it into a nuclear waste repository.

Not my first choice but as a barren rock at least it won't piss off any locals.

Because of the long lunar night (14 days) a reactor would be very useful for a long term base. Lots of probes die during the lunar night due to the -180c temperature. And of course, no sun for solar power.

In addition to the electrical power, the heat given off would be of great advantage - because of physics, even 30% of the power converted to electricity would be remarkable. On the moon, in the lunar night, the 70%+ “wasted” as heat would be valuable resource.

Also a problem, as what do you do with the heat during the lunar day ?
You'd want some sort of extensive heat exchange system to store it for use at night, as conventional cooling isn't going to cope with the huge environmental disparities between night and day.

Molten salt? Some kind of Sterling engine? Big fins to dissipate heat via intrared?

Radiative cooling isn't going to do it, I suspect.

Molten salt is great, but where do you get the salt ? You're certainly not shipping it up there.
Just heat up a large mass of regolith. The plumbing of the heat pump/heat exchanger for a lunar environment might be quite the engineering task ?

One “interesting” design is a molten core reactor. It deliberately melts down - and stays molten. It eventually reaches thermal equilibrium with the regolith it is buried in. Run pipes through that to extract all the heat you want.

It says everything that Edward Teller liked this idea.

So it's artificially created geothermal?

stodge

Afternoon all

So you can have a 6 point Reform lead or an 11 point Reform lead it would seem? The variance is almost entirely explained by the difference between how YouGov and Freshwater view Reform and the Greens respectively. 27% and 11% respectively with YouGov, 33% and 6% respectively with Freshwater.

The YouGov subsample for London (we love our subsamples, don't we?) from just 200 responses so entirely credible and reliable (no giggling in the cheap seats) has Labour on 26%, Conservatives on 19%, Reform on 17%, LDs on 15%, Greens on 15% and Others on 7%. I don't even know what to think what the shape of London local Government would be if those figures were replicated next May - confusing and interesting spring to mind.

Freshwater's even smaller London sub sample is just silly.

Scott_xP

@charliekirk11
BREAKING: James Comer, Chair of the House Oversight Committee has just issued a flurry of subpeonas to compelling a long list of former officials and even President Clinton to appear for depositions on the Epstein case:

Hillary Clinton: October 9
Bill Clinton: October 14
Merrick Garland: October 2
James Comey: October 7
Bill Barr: August 18
Alberto Gonzales: August 26
Jeff Sessions: August 28
Robert Mueller: September 2
Loretta Lynch: September 9
Eric Holder: September 30

Nigelb

Trump flat out lying* while trying to justify his firing of the non partisan labour stats chief.
https://x.com/TheTNHoller/status/1952713957577314376

*Or maybe he's just so gaga now that he believes his own confabulations.

kle4

Nigelb said:

Trump flat out lying* while trying to justify his firing of the non partisan labour stats chief.
https://x.com/TheTNHoller/status/1952713957577314376

*Or maybe he's just so gaga now that he believes his own confabulations.

Definitely the latter. He believes it even if he contradicts himself, and makes others believe it too. Remarkable and inpressive.

ManOfGwent

Big_G_NorthWales said:

OldKingCole said:

wooliedyed said:

I think the Welsh Tories would describe that polling as 'sub optimal'

Or generous. After all, Big G, who claims to be a Tory, isn't going to vote for them.

I am a conservative, but it is more important to see the end of labour's time in Office in Wales so yes, I will support Plaid and expect Wales will have a Plaid First Minister

However, they have said Independence is not their objective in their first term so much like the SNP, they should attract the anti labour vote in 2026, without the controversy of Independence

Welsh Labour and Plaid are essentially the same party with much of the same policy platform. One is just more overtly nationalist than the other. A Plaid first minister would mean more of the same, but with additional belly aching and grievance mongering.

FrancisUrquhart

rcs1000 said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

rcs1000 said:

As an aside, my wife and I started watching Ludgwig, and fuck me, it's actually quite amusing, and I was wrong to scoff.

Of course, it all relies on the premise that the "disappeared" character never told anyone that he had an identical twin. But as far as plot devices go, that's not too ridiculous.

I got very tired of it very quickly.

There's only six episodes; so I think I'll probably make it to the the of the season.

I quite like the almost Wes Anderson-like exaggerated art design, with the limited pallet, and the love of centre framing.

And the female lead is superb.

Whether the highly contrived individual stories will hold my interest is another matter

I just felt like the plots where a bit poor man's Jonathan Creek.

HYUFD

It is certainly possible that Plaid win most votes and seats in the Senedd, though with Reform tied with them or a strong second a Plaid FM would need Labour support to form a government. That would soon reduce their unpopularity as their main reason for popularity at the moment beyond Welsh speakers as they are not Labour, who are now unpopular and in UK and Welsh government and not the Tories, who were in UK government and still unpopular and not Reform who are still too rightwing for leftwingers and many centrists.

The SNP and SF likely also hold the FM posts again but also without a majority for their parties

HYUFD

stodge said:

Afternoon all

So you can have a 6 point Reform lead or an 11 point Reform lead it would seem? The variance is almost entirely explained by the difference between how YouGov and Freshwater view Reform and the Greens respectively. 27% and 11% respectively with YouGov, 33% and 6% respectively with Freshwater.

The YouGov subsample for London (we love our subsamples, don't we?) from just 200 responses so entirely credible and reliable (no giggling in the cheap seats) has Labour on 26%, Conservatives on 19%, Reform on 17%, LDs on 15%, Greens on 15% and Others on 7%. I don't even know what to think what the shape of London local Government would be if those figures were replicated next May - confusing and interesting spring to mind.

Freshwater's even smaller London sub sample is just silly.

Yougov has the Tories on just 17% nationally, so Kemi is polling better in London now than nationally, which would have been an astonishing thought for the Conservatives 5 years ago but Reform doing far worse in London than the 28% they are on UK wide.

In 2022 London was 42% Labour and 26% Conservative, so Yougov has a 4.5% swing from Labour to Tory in London since then, so the Tories might even hope to pick up a few councillors and councils from Labour in London even as the Tories lose councils and councillors to Reform elsewhere

HYUFD

Big_G_NorthWales said:

OldKingCole said:

wooliedyed said:

I think the Welsh Tories would describe that polling as 'sub optimal'

Or generous. After all, Big G, who claims to be a Tory, isn't going to vote for them.

I am a conservative, but it is more important to see the end of labour's time in Office in Wales so yes, I will support Plaid and expect Wales will have a Plaid First Minister

However, they have said Independence is not their objective in their first term so much like the SNP, they should attract the anti labour vote in 2026, without the controversy of Independence

Which means Labour still have power propping up Plaid, only Reform or the Tories can really remove Labour from any power in the Senedd

bondegezou

FPT...

theakes said:

What happens if Tulip Siddiq MP is predictably convicted in Bangladesh, will she be allowed to continue as an MP? Her Hampstead Highgate seat could be in play for Labour, Greens, Lib Dems or Reform.

Bangladesh does not, I believe, have an extradition treaty with the UK. Bangladesh can ask the UK government to send them Siddiq and the UK can say no. If they say no, nothing happens. Siddiq continues to live her life as before. The recall of MPs act isn't triggered.

Cookie

Have we done this? Remember the Manchester Airport incident last summer? Footage was released of policemen kicking a Muslim - which resulted in 'protests' in Greater Manchester - only for footage to later be leaked which gave some context to the incident i.e. the fella in question was a violent nutcase and had been cheerfully engaging in violence against the police leading up to this incident. The Independent Office for Police Conduct are now going after the individual who leaked the second lot of footage. It's not clear why.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/dont-criminalise-the-truth-32204195?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwY2xjawL_BlxleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHq1Uqq-z6a8ZR6z7QKrrAPCWURxnYECbew8_3SSlhqWubtf6OPtmRl0rsDTg_aem_FLVADHD0tbrRTxxYxKb7mg#Echobox=1754404679

stodge

HYUFD said:

stodge said:

Afternoon all

So you can have a 6 point Reform lead or an 11 point Reform lead it would seem? The variance is almost entirely explained by the difference between how YouGov and Freshwater view Reform and the Greens respectively. 27% and 11% respectively with YouGov, 33% and 6% respectively with Freshwater.

The YouGov subsample for London (we love our subsamples, don't we?) from just 200 responses so entirely credible and reliable (no giggling in the cheap seats) has Labour on 26%, Conservatives on 19%, Reform on 17%, LDs on 15%, Greens on 15% and Others on 7%. I don't even know what to think what the shape of London local Government would be if those figures were replicated next May - confusing and interesting spring to mind.

Freshwater's even smaller London sub sample is just silly.

Yougov has the Tories on just 17% nationally, so Kemi is polling better in London now than nationally, which would have been an astonishing thought for the Conservatives 5 years ago but Reform doing far worse in London than the 28% they are on UK wide.

In 2022 London was 42% Labour and 26% Conservative, so Yougov has a 4.5% swing from Labour to Tory in London since then, so the Tories might even hope to pick up a few councillors and councils from Labour in London even as the Tories lose councils and councillors to Reform elsewhere

YouGov suggests the Conservatives nationally have lost about a third of their vote to Reform since last July - slightly more complex in London I'd suspect and we don't know the impact of "other" parties in Inner London not that it's of much significance to the Conservatives.

I'm drawn to the 9% swing from Labour to Green which could be important in some Inner London boroughs and it's worth noting the Greens outpolled Reform in the Thames View by election last week.

OldKingCole

HYUFD said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

OldKingCole said:

wooliedyed said:

I think the Welsh Tories would describe that polling as 'sub optimal'

Or generous. After all, Big G, who claims to be a Tory, isn't going to vote for them.

I am a conservative, but it is more important to see the end of labour's time in Office in Wales so yes, I will support Plaid and expect Wales will have a Plaid First Minister

However, they have said Independence is not their objective in their first term so much like the SNP, they should attract the anti labour vote in 2026, without the controversy of Independence

Which means Labour still have power propping up Plaid, only Reform or the Tories can really remove Labour from any power in the Senedd

Actually, from the figures and assuming straight proportionality, it looks more like a Plaid/Green or Plaid/LibDem coalition, with Labour and Reform in opposition.
And Plaid have co-operated with the Greens before, in Ceredigion.

Omnium

Malmesbury said:

Nigelb said:

rcs1000 said:

Nigelb said:

Malmesbury said:

kle4 said:

SandyRentool said:

Pulpstar said:

NASA's plans to stick a nuclear reactor on the moon by 2030 seems quick to me.

So the moon achieves Net Zero power generation by 2030. Well done to them.

Not content with leaving assorted shite on the moon, humankind now wants to turn it into a nuclear waste repository.

Not my first choice but as a barren rock at least it won't piss off any locals.

Because of the long lunar night (14 days) a reactor would be very useful for a long term base. Lots of probes die during the lunar night due to the -180c temperature. And of course, no sun for solar power.

In addition to the electrical power, the heat given off would be of great advantage - because of physics, even 30% of the power converted to electricity would be remarkable. On the moon, in the lunar night, the 70%+ “wasted” as heat would be valuable resource.

Also a problem, as what do you do with the heat during the lunar day ?
You'd want some sort of extensive heat exchange system to store it for use at night, as conventional cooling isn't going to cope with the huge environmental disparities between night and day.

Molten salt? Some kind of Sterling engine? Big fins to dissipate heat via intrared?

Radiative cooling isn't going to do it, I suspect.

Molten salt is great, but where do you get the salt ? You're certainly not shipping it up there.
Just heat up a large mass of regolith. The plumbing of the heat pump/heat exchanger for a lunar environment might be quite the engineering task ?

One “interesting” design is a molten core reactor. It deliberately melts down - and stays molten. It eventually reaches thermal equilibrium with the regolith it is buried in. Run pipes through that to extract all the heat you want.

It says everything that Edward Teller liked this idea.

So it's basically a slightly stable big bomb that hasn't gone off? I'd hate to be the plumber running the pipes in a spacesuit.

HYUFD

OldKingCole said:

HYUFD said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

OldKingCole said:

wooliedyed said:

I think the Welsh Tories would describe that polling as 'sub optimal'

Or generous. After all, Big G, who claims to be a Tory, isn't going to vote for them.

I am a conservative, but it is more important to see the end of labour's time in Office in Wales so yes, I will support Plaid and expect Wales will have a Plaid First Minister

However, they have said Independence is not their objective in their first term so much like the SNP, they should attract the anti labour vote in 2026, without the controversy of Independence

Which means Labour still have power propping up Plaid, only Reform or the Tories can really remove Labour from any power in the Senedd

Actually, from the figures and assuming straight proportionality, it looks more like a Plaid/Green or Plaid/LibDem coalition, with Labour and Reform in opposition.
And Plaid have co-operated with the Greens before, in Ceredigion.

No Senedd poll have Plaid over 30%, even Yougov which has Plaid at its highest voteshare on 30% only gives Plaid and the Greens combined 35% miles off a majority and even Plaid and the LDs only on 37%. Whereas Plaid and Labour are on 48%, comfortably more than Reform and the Tories combined on 38%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_Senedd_election

wooliedyed

OldKingCole said:

HYUFD said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

OldKingCole said:

wooliedyed said:

I think the Welsh Tories would describe that polling as 'sub optimal'

Or generous. After all, Big G, who claims to be a Tory, isn't going to vote for them.

I am a conservative, but it is more important to see the end of labour's time in Office in Wales so yes, I will support Plaid and expect Wales will have a Plaid First Minister

However, they have said Independence is not their objective in their first term so much like the SNP, they should attract the anti labour vote in 2026, without the controversy of Independence

Which means Labour still have power propping up Plaid, only Reform or the Tories can really remove Labour from any power in the Senedd

Actually, from the figures and assuming straight proportionality, it looks more like a Plaid/Green or Plaid/LibDem coalition, with Labour and Reform in opposition.
And Plaid have co-operated with the Greens before, in Ceredigion.

Very unlikely. Greens will get perhaps 1 or 2 seats and the LDs 3 to 6 on current. Plaid will get nowhere near enough seats to enter coalition with either.

HYUFD

stodge said:

HYUFD said:

stodge said:

Afternoon all

So you can have a 6 point Reform lead or an 11 point Reform lead it would seem? The variance is almost entirely explained by the difference between how YouGov and Freshwater view Reform and the Greens respectively. 27% and 11% respectively with YouGov, 33% and 6% respectively with Freshwater.

The YouGov subsample for London (we love our subsamples, don't we?) from just 200 responses so entirely credible and reliable (no giggling in the cheap seats) has Labour on 26%, Conservatives on 19%, Reform on 17%, LDs on 15%, Greens on 15% and Others on 7%. I don't even know what to think what the shape of London local Government would be if those figures were replicated next May - confusing and interesting spring to mind.

Freshwater's even smaller London sub sample is just silly.

Yougov has the Tories on just 17% nationally, so Kemi is polling better in London now than nationally, which would have been an astonishing thought for the Conservatives 5 years ago but Reform doing far worse in London than the 28% they are on UK wide.

In 2022 London was 42% Labour and 26% Conservative, so Yougov has a 4.5% swing from Labour to Tory in London since then, so the Tories might even hope to pick up a few councillors and councils from Labour in London even as the Tories lose councils and councillors to Reform elsewhere

YouGov suggests the Conservatives nationally have lost about a third of their vote to Reform since last July - slightly more complex in London I'd suspect and we don't know the impact of "other" parties in Inner London not that it's of much significance to the Conservatives.

I'm drawn to the 9% swing from Labour to Green which could be important in some Inner London boroughs and it's worth noting the Greens outpolled Reform in the Thames View by election last week.

The Tories could certainly gain Westminster, Barnet and even Wandsworth on the Yougov subsample whereever Labour leaks

DecrepiterJohnL

rcs1000 said:

As an aside, my wife and I started watching Ludgwig, and fuck me, it's actually quite amusing, and I was wrong to scoff.

Of course, it all relies on the premise that the "disappeared" character never told anyone that he had an identical twin. But as far as plot devices go, that's not too ridiculous.

There is also a Welsh equivalent with more jokes, where the twist is the spectrumy one and the genius outside consultant are two different people – Death Valley.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0029db3

Cookie

DecrepiterJohnL said:

rcs1000 said:

As an aside, my wife and I started watching Ludgwig, and fuck me, it's actually quite amusing, and I was wrong to scoff.

Of course, it all relies on the premise that the "disappeared" character never told anyone that he had an identical twin. But as far as plot devices go, that's not too ridiculous.

There is also a Welsh equivalent with more jokes, where the twist is the spectrumy one and the genius outside consultant are two different people – Death Valley.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0029db3

I quite liked Death Valley, but I preferred Ludwig and also found it funnier.
Ludwig's shtick was the puzzle setter focusing exclusively on the 'how'; I find the shtick in Death Valley of the actor focusing on the motivations and characters of the individuals concerned less interesting. But that probably reflects by personal preference for logic over human behaviour.

rottenborough

Nigelb said:

Why would you order destroyed a well functioning climate motoring satellite ?

White House Orders NASA to Destroy Important Satellite
https://futurism.com/white-house-orders-nasa-destroy-important-satellite

They give the wrong answers.

Gallowgate

Nigelb said:

VP JD Vance is weighing a Thursday trip to Indianapolis to press Gov. Mike Braun & GOP leaders on redrawing Indiana’s congressional map, per multiple sources familiar.
https://x.com/PunchbowlNews/status/1952693568415707411

The absolute state of that country

wooliedyed

For the Welsh election, a rough rule of thumb is that in any given paired constituency with the six parties running on anywhere like the current split (two or 3 in the twenties, 1 or two in the teens/double figures, two in single figures), you need about 10% in fourth to be likely to get the 6th seat - obviously the vicissitudes of maths means its sometimes going to go a bit below or higher than that but its a fair benchmark.
As things stand the Tories will pick up a few 6th place seats and the LDs and Greens will miss out by small margins in a lot of constituencies

Malmesbury

a

Omnium said:

Malmesbury said:

Nigelb said:

rcs1000 said:

Nigelb said:

Malmesbury said:

kle4 said:

SandyRentool said:

Pulpstar said:

NASA's plans to stick a nuclear reactor on the moon by 2030 seems quick to me.

So the moon achieves Net Zero power generation by 2030. Well done to them.

Not content with leaving assorted shite on the moon, humankind now wants to turn it into a nuclear waste repository.

Not my first choice but as a barren rock at least it won't piss off any locals.

Because of the long lunar night (14 days) a reactor would be very useful for a long term base. Lots of probes die during the lunar night due to the -180c temperature. And of course, no sun for solar power.

In addition to the electrical power, the heat given off would be of great advantage - because of physics, even 30% of the power converted to electricity would be remarkable. On the moon, in the lunar night, the 70%+ “wasted” as heat would be valuable resource.

Also a problem, as what do you do with the heat during the lunar day ?
You'd want some sort of extensive heat exchange system to store it for use at night, as conventional cooling isn't going to cope with the huge environmental disparities between night and day.

Molten salt? Some kind of Sterling engine? Big fins to dissipate heat via intrared?

Radiative cooling isn't going to do it, I suspect.

Molten salt is great, but where do you get the salt ? You're certainly not shipping it up there.
Just heat up a large mass of regolith. The plumbing of the heat pump/heat exchanger for a lunar environment might be quite the engineering task ?

One “interesting” design is a molten core reactor. It deliberately melts down - and stays molten. It eventually reaches thermal equilibrium with the regolith it is buried in. Run pipes through that to extract all the heat you want.

It says everything that Edward Teller liked this idea.

So it's basically a slightly stable big bomb that hasn't gone off? I'd hate to be the plumber running the pipes in a spacesuit.

Nope.

That’s the classic mistake from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowups_Happen

It’s a ceramic bucket full of molten uranium salts (probably)

It physically can’t go bang. Just sits there being very hot and radioactive.

DecrepiterJohnL

Omnium said:

Malmesbury said:

Nigelb said:

rcs1000 said:

Nigelb said:

Malmesbury said:

kle4 said:

SandyRentool said:

Pulpstar said:

NASA's plans to stick a nuclear reactor on the moon by 2030 seems quick to me.

So the moon achieves Net Zero power generation by 2030. Well done to them.

Not content with leaving assorted shite on the moon, humankind now wants to turn it into a nuclear waste repository.

Not my first choice but as a barren rock at least it won't piss off any locals.

Because of the long lunar night (14 days) a reactor would be very useful for a long term base. Lots of probes die during the lunar night due to the -180c temperature. And of course, no sun for solar power.

In addition to the electrical power, the heat given off would be of great advantage - because of physics, even 30% of the power converted to electricity would be remarkable. On the moon, in the lunar night, the 70%+ “wasted” as heat would be valuable resource.

Also a problem, as what do you do with the heat during the lunar day ?
You'd want some sort of extensive heat exchange system to store it for use at night, as conventional cooling isn't going to cope with the huge environmental disparities between night and day.

Molten salt? Some kind of Sterling engine? Big fins to dissipate heat via intrared?

Radiative cooling isn't going to do it, I suspect.

Molten salt is great, but where do you get the salt ? You're certainly not shipping it up there.
Just heat up a large mass of regolith. The plumbing of the heat pump/heat exchanger for a lunar environment might be quite the engineering task ?

One “interesting” design is a molten core reactor. It deliberately melts down - and stays molten. It eventually reaches thermal equilibrium with the regolith it is buried in. Run pipes through that to extract all the heat you want.

It says everything that Edward Teller liked this idea.

So it's basically a slightly stable big bomb that hasn't gone off? I'd hate to be the plumber running the pipes in a spacesuit.

2030. That year sounds familiar. Ah yes, 2030 is when China plans to send astronauts to the moon.

Jim_Miller

In the previous post, Pulpstar said: "NASA's plans to stick a nuclear reactor on the moon by 2030 seems quick to me."

Perhaps, but given Doug Burgum's record of successes, I would not be surprised if, as Interior Secretary, he has a reactor ready to go to the moon, soon. (He is working on speeding up the approval process for reactors on earth, already.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_Burgum

If they are interested, Bezos, Musk, or some other bored billionaire might be able to provide transportation by then.

This bit of history shows how quickly such things can be done:

The Nautilus was authorized in 1951. Construction began in 1952, and it was launched in January 1954, sponsored by Mamie Eisenhower, wife of President Dwight D. Eisenhower. It was commissioned the following September into the United States Navy and was delivered to the Navy in 1955.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Nautilus_(SSN-571)

AugustusCarp2

wooliedyed said:

OldKingCole said:

HYUFD said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

OldKingCole said:

wooliedyed said:

I think the Welsh Tories would describe that polling as 'sub optimal'

Or generous. After all, Big G, who claims to be a Tory, isn't going to vote for them.

I am a conservative, but it is more important to see the end of labour's time in Office in Wales so yes, I will support Plaid and expect Wales will have a Plaid First Minister

However, they have said Independence is not their objective in their first term so much like the SNP, they should attract the anti labour vote in 2026, without the controversy of Independence

Which means Labour still have power propping up Plaid, only Reform or the Tories can really remove Labour from any power in the Senedd

Actually, from the figures and assuming straight proportionality, it looks more like a Plaid/Green or Plaid/LibDem coalition, with Labour and Reform in opposition.
And Plaid have co-operated with the Greens before, in Ceredigion.

Very unlikely. Greens will get perhaps 1 or 2 seats and the LDs 3 to 6 on current. Plaid will get nowhere near enough seats to enter coalition with either.

I think that might be a bit over-optimistic re: the Lib Dems ...

Scott_xP

@atrupar.com‬

had Biden randomly wandered on the White House roof shouting at reporters about nuclear weapons, Jake Tapper would drop everything to pitch a new series of books and Hannity would anchor ongoing special coverage until 2029

but when Trump does it it's just Trump being Trump!

wooliedyed

wooliedyed said:

For the Welsh election, a rough rule of thumb is that in any given paired constituency with the six parties running on anywhere like the current split (two or 3 in the twenties, 1 or two in the teens/double figures, two in single figures), you need about 10% in fourth to be likely to get the 6th seat - obviously the vicissitudes of maths means its sometimes going to go a bit below or higher than that but its a fair benchmark.
As things stand the Tories will pick up a few 6th place seats and the LDs and Greens will miss out by small margins in a lot of constituencies

So for example, a likely vote spread in a random constituency pair might be

Reform 29%
Plaid 25%
Labour 18%
Tory 10%
LD 9%
Green 7%

Would give 2x Ref 2 x Plaid, 1x Lab and 1x Con

If Reform got to 30.1% they'd take three seats and the Tories would just miss out

Fairliered

Rayner digging for victory defeat.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3dpkvkkjjno

Nigelb

Gallowgate said:

Nigelb said:

VP JD Vance is weighing a Thursday trip to Indianapolis to press Gov. Mike Braun & GOP leaders on redrawing Indiana’s congressional map, per multiple sources familiar.
https://x.com/PunchbowlNews/status/1952693568415707411

The absolute state of that country

I had that down as Florida.
But I guess you might make a case for Indiana.

wooliedyed

AugustusCarp2 said:

wooliedyed said:

OldKingCole said:

HYUFD said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

OldKingCole said:

wooliedyed said:

I think the Welsh Tories would describe that polling as 'sub optimal'

Or generous. After all, Big G, who claims to be a Tory, isn't going to vote for them.

I am a conservative, but it is more important to see the end of labour's time in Office in Wales so yes, I will support Plaid and expect Wales will have a Plaid First Minister

However, they have said Independence is not their objective in their first term so much like the SNP, they should attract the anti labour vote in 2026, without the controversy of Independence

Which means Labour still have power propping up Plaid, only Reform or the Tories can really remove Labour from any power in the Senedd

Actually, from the figures and assuming straight proportionality, it looks more like a Plaid/Green or Plaid/LibDem coalition, with Labour and Reform in opposition.
And Plaid have co-operated with the Greens before, in Ceredigion.

Very unlikely. Greens will get perhaps 1 or 2 seats and the LDs 3 to 6 on current. Plaid will get nowhere near enough seats to enter coalition with either.

I think that might be a bit over-optimistic re: the Lib Dems ...

It might, yeah. They should pick up one in Cardiff, one in Ceredigion and one, perhaps two in Brecon. 6 is pushing it though unless they start pushing towards 10% more. They could and up on 2 in what i think would be worst possible case. Greens could get zero but should get one.
Tories from 6 lowest to 16 at very best i think, probably 10 to 14

Malmesbury

Jim_Miller said:

In the previous post, Pulpstar said: "NASA's plans to stick a nuclear reactor on the moon by 2030 seems quick to me."

Perhaps, but given Doug Burgum's record of successes, I would not be surprised if, as Interior Secretary, he has a reactor ready to go to the moon, soon. (He is working on speeding up the approval process for reactors on earth, already.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_Burgum

If they are interested, Bezos, Musk, or some other bored billionaire might be able to provide transportation by then.

This bit of history shows how quickly such things can be done:

The Nautilus was authorized in 1951. Construction began in 1952, and it was launched in January 1954, sponsored by Mamie Eisenhower, wife of President Dwight D. Eisenhower. It was commissioned the following September into the United States Navy and was delivered to the Navy in 1955.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Nautilus_(SSN-571)

The contract to design the reactor was let in 1947 and the first reactor was delivered for testing in 1953.

Mind you, DK Brown reckoned that the completely self sustaining air purification system for nuclear subs was actually a harder engineering challenge than the early reactors - which in the US case traded weight and efficiency for reliability.

wooliedyed

Why have the hundred got some girl lip syncing in her pants??
What utter drivel

Nigelb

Malmesbury said:

a

Omnium said:

Malmesbury said:

Nigelb said:

rcs1000 said:

Nigelb said:

Malmesbury said:

kle4 said:

SandyRentool said:

Pulpstar said:

NASA's plans to stick a nuclear reactor on the moon by 2030 seems quick to me.

So the moon achieves Net Zero power generation by 2030. Well done to them.

Not content with leaving assorted shite on the moon, humankind now wants to turn it into a nuclear waste repository.

Not my first choice but as a barren rock at least it won't piss off any locals.

Because of the long lunar night (14 days) a reactor would be very useful for a long term base. Lots of probes die during the lunar night due to the -180c temperature. And of course, no sun for solar power.

In addition to the electrical power, the heat given off would be of great advantage - because of physics, even 30% of the power converted to electricity would be remarkable. On the moon, in the lunar night, the 70%+ “wasted” as heat would be valuable resource.

Also a problem, as what do you do with the heat during the lunar day ?
You'd want some sort of extensive heat exchange system to store it for use at night, as conventional cooling isn't going to cope with the huge environmental disparities between night and day.

Molten salt? Some kind of Sterling engine? Big fins to dissipate heat via intrared?

Radiative cooling isn't going to do it, I suspect.

Molten salt is great, but where do you get the salt ? You're certainly not shipping it up there.
Just heat up a large mass of regolith. The plumbing of the heat pump/heat exchanger for a lunar environment might be quite the engineering task ?

One “interesting” design is a molten core reactor. It deliberately melts down - and stays molten. It eventually reaches thermal equilibrium with the regolith it is buried in. Run pipes through that to extract all the heat you want.

It says everything that Edward Teller liked this idea.

So it's basically a slightly stable big bomb that hasn't gone off? I'd hate to be the plumber running the pipes in a spacesuit.

Nope.

That’s the classic mistake from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowups_Happen

It’s a ceramic bucket full of molten uranium salts (probably)

It physically can’t go bang. Just sits there being very hot and radioactive.

They can be built quite small, too, which is an advantage
What method of electricity generation - thermoelectric ?

Very inefficient, but the technology is improving.

Omnium

Malmesbury said:

a

Omnium said:

Malmesbury said:

Nigelb said:

rcs1000 said:

Nigelb said:

Malmesbury said:

kle4 said:

SandyRentool said:

Pulpstar said:

NASA's plans to stick a nuclear reactor on the moon by 2030 seems quick to me.

So the moon achieves Net Zero power generation by 2030. Well done to them.

Not content with leaving assorted shite on the moon, humankind now wants to turn it into a nuclear waste repository.

Not my first choice but as a barren rock at least it won't piss off any locals.

Because of the long lunar night (14 days) a reactor would be very useful for a long term base. Lots of probes die during the lunar night due to the -180c temperature. And of course, no sun for solar power.

In addition to the electrical power, the heat given off would be of great advantage - because of physics, even 30% of the power converted to electricity would be remarkable. On the moon, in the lunar night, the 70%+ “wasted” as heat would be valuable resource.

Also a problem, as what do you do with the heat during the lunar day ?
You'd want some sort of extensive heat exchange system to store it for use at night, as conventional cooling isn't going to cope with the huge environmental disparities between night and day.

Molten salt? Some kind of Sterling engine? Big fins to dissipate heat via intrared?

Radiative cooling isn't going to do it, I suspect.

Molten salt is great, but where do you get the salt ? You're certainly not shipping it up there.
Just heat up a large mass of regolith. The plumbing of the heat pump/heat exchanger for a lunar environment might be quite the engineering task ?

One “interesting” design is a molten core reactor. It deliberately melts down - and stays molten. It eventually reaches thermal equilibrium with the regolith it is buried in. Run pipes through that to extract all the heat you want.

It says everything that Edward Teller liked this idea.

So it's basically a slightly stable big bomb that hasn't gone off? I'd hate to be the plumber running the pipes in a spacesuit.

Nope.

That’s the classic mistake from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowups_Happen

It’s a ceramic bucket full of molten uranium salts (probably)

It physically can’t go bang. Just sits there being very hot and radioactive.

I'm not convinced. Explain to me why it can't go bang.

Surely it can and will if it finds the environment is doing much the same thing as it is?

Cookie

wooliedyed said:

Why have the hundred got some girl lip syncing in her pants??
What utter drivel

They're terrified they're going to lose your attention for a minute. I really think they've underestimated the audience.

FrancisUrquhart

Violent Channel-smuggling gang's French and UK network exposed by undercover BBC investigation

In June 2024, we tracked down Jabal to a migrant reception centre in Luxembourg and confronted him on the street. He denied any involvement and, although we promptly informed the French police, quickly disappeared. "He fled after your intervention in Luxembourg, and he changed his phone and probably fled abroad," said Xavier Delrieu, who heads the French police's anti-smuggling unit. "His whereabouts are now unknown. The investigation is continuing."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly48nmmzdro

Is tipping off the criminals by confronting then then informing the authorities the right way to do things?

tlg86

wooliedyed said:

Why have the hundred got some girl lip syncing in her pants??
What utter drivel

Well away from the Pavilion so that the members don't get a heart attack...

Omnium

wooliedyed said:

Why have the hundred got some girl lip syncing in her pants??
What utter drivel

And at Lords. FFS.

FrancisUrquhart

wooliedyed said:

Why have the hundred got some girl lip syncing in her pants??
What utter drivel

No Sydney Sweeney....Only 800 people watching on YouTube.

Sandpit

Cookie said:

wooliedyed said:

Why have the hundred got some girl lip syncing in her pants??
What utter drivel

They're terrified they're going to lose your attention for a minute. I really think they've underestimated the audience.

Certainly the audience that just spent five days glued to their screens for one of the closest Test matches in years.

Taz

wooliedyed said:

Why have the hundred got some girl lip syncing in her pants??
What utter drivel

Down wiv da yoof, innit blud

Taz

If that’s the best of the player mic !!!!

Sandpit

FrancisUrquhart said:

Violent Channel-smuggling gang's French and UK network exposed by undercover BBC investigation

In June 2024, we tracked down Jabal to a migrant reception centre in Luxembourg and confronted him on the street. He denied any involvement and, although we promptly informed the French police, quickly disappeared. "He fled after your intervention in Luxembourg, and he changed his phone and probably fled abroad," said Xavier Delrieu, who heads the French police's anti-smuggling unit. "His whereabouts are now unknown. The investigation is continuing."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly48nmmzdro

Is tipping off the criminals by confronting then then informing the authorities the right way to do things?

Almost as if the BBC don’t want the culprits to be caught, but love the idea of the exclusive story of the operation.

Omnium

Taz said:

wooliedyed said:

Why have the hundred got some girl lip syncing in her pants??
What utter drivel

Down wiv da yoof, innit blud

One day, in many centuries time, your comment may be unearthed. Taz - he liked clown shows. Oh dear. Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear...

Just a moment of insanity.

Whereas the Hundred has been far too many years of insanity.

wooliedyed

Omnium said:

wooliedyed said:

Why have the hundred got some girl lip syncing in her pants??
What utter drivel

And at Lords. FFS.

The members only got permission to remove their jackets when temperatures were in the 30s, this bird is wiggling around in her keks. Shocking scenes

wooliedyed

Taz said:

wooliedyed said:

Why have the hundred got some girl lip syncing in her pants??
What utter drivel

Down wiv da yoof, innit blud

The members are keeping it real

wooliedyed

Vaughany selling his soul to sing the virtues of the Scumdred live on Iplayer

FrancisUrquhart

Australian rugby bosses have confirmed that the so-called 'Giteau's Law', which restricted how many overseas-based players previous Wallabies coaches could pick, has been scrapped.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/c0kzx81pgmyo

Where as England double down on tying one hand behind their backs, because playing in Paris means jet lag or something.

Taz

wooliedyed said:

Vaughany selling his soul to sing the virtues of the Scumdred live on Iplayer

What’s the old saying about if your salary depends on you believing something !

Leon

"Under the Anglo-French one-in-one-out migrant deal, which is more like 20 in, one out, the UK will pay not just the cost of transporting small boat migrants back to France but also pay to bring those asylum seekers deemed to have a greater chance of success across the Channel from France. All that on top of the hundreds of millions London pays Paris to beef police presence on the coast around Calais.
Starmer et al really are quite the negotiators."

https://x.com/afneil/status/1952769138486550958

tlg86

The teams in The Hundred look quite old.

FrancisUrquhart

Leon said:

"Under the Anglo-French one-in-one-out migrant deal, which is more like 20 in, one out, the UK will pay not just the cost of transporting small boat migrants back to France but also pay to bring those asylum seekers deemed to have a greater chance of success across the Channel from France. All that on top of the hundreds of millions London pays Paris to beef police presence on the coast around Calais.
Starmer et al really are quite the negotiators."

https://x.com/afneil/status/1952769138486550958

They are the sort of people who go into a shop in a Turkish Bazaar and buy a fake Rolex for Opening Price....

wooliedyed

Taz said:

wooliedyed said:

Vaughany selling his soul to sing the virtues of the Scumdred live on Iplayer

What’s the old saying about if your salary depends on you believing something !

I hope hes spending a couple of hours in the shower tonight. Proud Yorkshireman selling out to the franchise fannies

Sandpit

Leon said:

"Under the Anglo-French one-in-one-out migrant deal, which is more like 20 in, one out, the UK will pay not just the cost of transporting small boat migrants back to France but also pay to bring those asylum seekers deemed to have a greater chance of success across the Channel from France. All that on top of the hundreds of millions London pays Paris to beef police presence on the coast around Calais.
Starmer et al really are quite the negotiators."

https://x.com/afneil/status/1952769138486550958

Yet we all thought that the Chagos Islands “deal” might be the low point of this government.

TheScreamingEagles

tlg86 said:

wooliedyed said:

Why have the hundred got some girl lip syncing in her pants??
What utter drivel

Well away from the Pavilion so that the members don't get a heart attack...

More likely to have a stroke.

Ooh err.

Leon

Sandpit said:

Leon said:

"Under the Anglo-French one-in-one-out migrant deal, which is more like 20 in, one out, the UK will pay not just the cost of transporting small boat migrants back to France but also pay to bring those asylum seekers deemed to have a greater chance of success across the Channel from France. All that on top of the hundreds of millions London pays Paris to beef police presence on the coast around Calais.
Starmer et al really are quite the negotiators."

https://x.com/afneil/status/1952769138486550958

Yet we all thought that the Chagos Islands “deal” might be the low point of this government.

It is actually quite hard to be this bad at negotiating

Unless, of course, Starmer and Co don't give a F about the British national interest

boulay

FrancisUrquhart said:

Australian rugby bosses have confirmed that the so-called 'Giteau's Law', which restricted how many overseas-based players previous Wallabies coaches could pick, has been scrapped.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/c0kzx81pgmyo

Where as England double down on tying one hand behind their backs, because playing in Paris means jet lag or something.

Isn’t England’s ban on picking foreign based players more to do with trying to keep the Premiership as a high quality league with big names to attract fans?

The biggest draw for a lot of English fans is clearly seeing top English players at their club each week, if they all bugger off to the French league where they can earn more and live in nice sunny places like Perpignan then the attractiveness of the Premiership goes down.

So they use the England ban to pull at the players who have to balance lifestyle and earnings in France v patriotism/lifelong target of playing for England, potential big home market marketing deals.

There is also likely to be a bit of piqued pride at the RFU how the French league is financially noticeably a bigger draw than the Premiership so if it helps keep some of the big names out then all the better.

wooliedyed

Sandpit said:

Leon said:

"Under the Anglo-French one-in-one-out migrant deal, which is more like 20 in, one out, the UK will pay not just the cost of transporting small boat migrants back to France but also pay to bring those asylum seekers deemed to have a greater chance of success across the Channel from France. All that on top of the hundreds of millions London pays Paris to beef police presence on the coast around Calais.
Starmer et al really are quite the negotiators."

https://x.com/afneil/status/1952769138486550958

Yet we all thought that the Chagos Islands “deal” might be the low point of this government.

We have to pay Mauritius for permission to pay France to transport migrants here. Its a great deal negotiated by a genuinely amazing statesman and his cracking team of heroes

FrancisUrquhart

boulay said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Australian rugby bosses have confirmed that the so-called 'Giteau's Law', which restricted how many overseas-based players previous Wallabies coaches could pick, has been scrapped.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/c0kzx81pgmyo

Where as England double down on tying one hand behind their backs, because playing in Paris means jet lag or something.

Isn’t England’s ban on picking foreign based players more to do with trying to keep the Premiership as a high quality league with big names to attract fans?

The biggest draw for a lot of English fans is clearly seeing top English players at their club each week, if they all bugger off to the French league where they can earn more and live in nice sunny places like Perpignan then the attractiveness of the Premiership goes down.

So they use the England ban to pull at the players who have to balance lifestyle and earnings in France v patriotism/lifelong target of playing for England, potential big home market marketing deals.

There is also likely to be a bit of piqued pride at the RFU how the French league is financially noticeably a bigger draw than the Premiership so if it helps keep some of the big names out then all the better.

It is, but in the past they have given these bullshit reasons about travel concerns.

Sunil_Prasannan

tlg86 said:

The teams in The Hundred look quite old.

Hundred is their average age??

FrancisUrquhart

Leon said:

Sandpit said:

Leon said:

"Under the Anglo-French one-in-one-out migrant deal, which is more like 20 in, one out, the UK will pay not just the cost of transporting small boat migrants back to France but also pay to bring those asylum seekers deemed to have a greater chance of success across the Channel from France. All that on top of the hundreds of millions London pays Paris to beef police presence on the coast around Calais.
Starmer et al really are quite the negotiators."

https://x.com/afneil/status/1952769138486550958

Yet we all thought that the Chagos Islands “deal” might be the low point of this government.

It is actually quite hard to be this bad at negotiating

Unless, of course, Starmer and Co don't give a F about the British national interest

Seems a lifetime ago he was banging on about country and service above party....

boulay

FrancisUrquhart said:

Leon said:

Sandpit said:

Leon said:

"Under the Anglo-French one-in-one-out migrant deal, which is more like 20 in, one out, the UK will pay not just the cost of transporting small boat migrants back to France but also pay to bring those asylum seekers deemed to have a greater chance of success across the Channel from France. All that on top of the hundreds of millions London pays Paris to beef police presence on the coast around Calais.
Starmer et al really are quite the negotiators."

https://x.com/afneil/status/1952769138486550958

Yet we all thought that the Chagos Islands “deal” might be the low point of this government.

It is actually quite hard to be this bad at negotiating

Unless, of course, Starmer and Co don't give a F about the British national interest

Seems a lifetime ago he was banging on about country and service above party....

Did he say which country he wants us to serve?

Sandpit

Taz said:

wooliedyed said:

Vaughany selling his soul to sing the virtues of the Scumdred live on Iplayer

What’s the old saying about if your salary depends on you believing something !

Will we ever know how much the BBC are paying him?

Leon

The actions of the UK Labour government remind me strongly of Robert Conquest's famous "Third Rule of Bureaucracies", which says: the bizarre behaviour of any large organization can best be explained by "assuming it is controlled by a secret group of its enemies"

FrancisUrquhart

This deal is only for a year then needs renegotiating...Channel Islands to France must be in play in return for Starmer signing for 99 year deal.