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  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,267

    Boost our pay or risk strike action, warn nurse leaders
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c36je08d111o

    GPs are also on the warpath as of course are junior doctors. Wes Streeting has got his hands full.

    But he's already paid the danegeld, why are the danes back so soon?

    FWIW there's massive scope for increasing the working conditions of junior doctors & nurses in ways that'd be cost neutral or negative. However that'd involve prioritising British trained medics over foreign qualified medical staff, often fraudulently obtained & if not, significantly below the standard we train them to.

    Over the past 5 years it's been my privilege to look inside of lot of major charitable & union organisations (including some of those involved in this) and the level of idealogical capture is incredible. While the best course for the members is clear lots of trade unions are so captured they often pursue goals that are the exact opposite, and go through incredible gymnastics to hide spending hideous amounts of money defending foreign fraudsters while sidelining longstanding members' concerns because they aren't trendy.

    Working in the charity sector can be incredibly radicalising.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,719
    Sean_F said:

    Cicero said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Reports of Korea's population decline are slightly exaggerated...

    Population of Korea (2024.11.1)
    - 51,805,547 (+31,026 from 2023.11.1)

    Korean - 49,762,803 (-76,568)
    Foreigner - 2,042,744 (+107,594)

    https://x.com/tyqwer16/status/1950056982611972331

    Interesting increase in foreigners

    During my trip to SKO I got a slight desire to live in Busan (rather more than Seoul, which I found less appealing)

    Great location, amazing markets, pleasant climate, vivacious people

    Also really close to Japan, it's about 90 mins from Osaka. And zero crime. And mad Russians, with the hookers

    Ah, life should be 300 years long, then one could try all these things
    British culture has rather been lost, and can't be restored. I hope that the Japanese and the Koreans manage to hold on to theirs.

    (There's of course a 'new' British culture, but it's quite different)
    27,000 people at the Oval watching a 5-day game of cricket, with many, many more watching it on TV or listening to it on the radio, rather suggests that 'British culture' is still pretty strong.
    Yes, but it's changed. We've experienced so many pressures from outside and inside that we've lost aspects of our culture that made us unique. I don't know whether such change is good or bad, but losing the historical identity wouldn't be my first choice.

    (I rate as a huge plus the sort of fusion identity which the immigrant communities have helped to make, but I rather wish we'd retained something of our own.)
    I would say the biggest foreign influence on British culture- by far- is the United States. As I happen to think their food is putrid and far too many of their values facile and self destructive- e.g. drugs, I would actively seek a reduced American influence as fast as possible.
    And one of the worst examples is Reform UK apeing Republicans in the US.
    Politically, I think the US has very little to teach us.
    I disagree. It is rich in examples of what not to do.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,978
    Taz said:

    kjh said:

    Taz said:

    viewcode said:

    Jay from the Inbetweeners complaining about paying for the bins is going viral on social media.

    The link is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gm_z6aXi1do&t=604s
    In Durham we’ve been paying for around a decade for them to take our garden waste. £35 a year IiRC.

    What can you do ? Needs taking. Fuckers rinse you for every penny they can get. I’m a pensioner too !
    How about composting. We compost everything. Admittedly I have the space and a large compost area, but then I have a huge garden creating a lot of compost. If you have a small garden one bin should be enough. Our holiday home bin is only 1/3rd full. If you are hedge cutting it might be a challenge, but if you chop it small enough you should be able to get it in over a few weeks. It drops in volume quickly. If it is lawn cuttings get a mower with a mulcher (if a small lawn you probably don't need it). No waste and no need to fertilize the lawn.

    I am always surprised by the number of garden waste bins around. Am I missing something?
    You are.

    I do compost. Both food waste, I have an wormery, and grass clippings but I cannot compost everything.

    As you say yourself you have the space and a large area.

    Every year I used the wormery stuff for my grown and put the worm wee on the garden.

    This year has been dry so not so bad as the grass has not really been growing. Last year I was trimming my unwieldy bush and cutting my lawn weekly.
    Have you tried a lawn mower that mulches. No grass cuttings, free fertiliser and no emptying of grass cutting container.

    Not sure I should comment about the trimming of your unwieldy bush.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,405

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Boost our pay or risk strike action, warn nurse leaders
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c36je08d111o

    GPs are also on the warpath as of course are junior doctors. Wes Streeting has got his hands full.

    Nurses to be fair have more of a case, their payrise is slightly lower than that GPs and consultants have been offered and GPs who are partners in their practice can earn 6 figure salaries
    Partners don't get salaries, by definition.
    Given the income comes from taxpayers unless they work in private practice effectively they do, practice profitability is relatively stable in the NHS as there is little competition for NHS patients with only 1 local GP surgery normally
    You'd be surprised how difficult it is to make a living as a GP. Put up an idea which challenges their income and it's clear that they are only one rung above the breadline.
    My Mum's income as a sole GP was £0 for two years' running. (This is going back over 30 years!)
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,408
    Sean_F said:

    boulay said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Reports of Korea's population decline are slightly exaggerated...

    Population of Korea (2024.11.1)
    - 51,805,547 (+31,026 from 2023.11.1)

    Korean - 49,762,803 (-76,568)
    Foreigner - 2,042,744 (+107,594)

    https://x.com/tyqwer16/status/1950056982611972331

    Interesting increase in foreigners

    During my trip to SKO I got a slight desire to live in Busan (rather more than Seoul, which I found less appealing)

    Great location, amazing markets, pleasant climate, vivacious people

    Also really close to Japan, it's about 90 mins from Osaka. And zero crime. And mad Russians, with the hookers

    Ah, life should be 300 years long, then one could try all these things
    British culture has rather been lost, and can't be restored. I hope that the Japanese and the Koreans manage to hold on to theirs.

    (There's of course a 'new' British culture, but it's quite different)
    27,000 people at the Oval watching a 5-day game of cricket, with many, many more watching it on TV or listening to it on the radio, rather suggests that 'British culture' is still pretty strong.
    Yes, but it's changed. We've experienced so many pressures from outside and inside that we've lost aspects of our culture that made us unique. I don't know whether such change is good or bad, but losing the historical identity wouldn't be my first choice.

    (I rate as a huge plus the sort of fusion identity which the immigrant communities have helped to make, but I rather wish we'd retained something of our own.)
    Culture always changes. Any 'old' British culture you remember was a 'new' British culture to the generations before. It's perhaps things like the wireless, television and the Internet that do most to smooth away national differences.
    It’s really obvious when you look at shifts most easily identifiable by the royal period.

    Look at culture and manners differences between Stuart, Hanoverian, Georgian, Victorian, Edwardian, Post WW2, 60’s/70’s. The attitudes to religion, sex, drinking, crime all have noticeable differences. The preferences for art and culture are different, bawdiness levels or prurience peak and trough.

    How the British see themselves as insular, Britain first, global all change.

    Anybody today who only had seen Hogarth works as a reflection of a past Britain would think it was a wild, raucous, orgiastic riot of a country until modern times whilst anyone who only ever saw paintings by Victorian artists might think Britain was a stuffy and ordered world in the past.
    To my mind, the biggest shift must have been if you were born in England, in a village in the Home Counties, in say, 1780, and died in say 1860.

    You would grow up in a village society not that different to its counterpart 400 years earlier, but you would die in a very different world, a world of the telegraph, and railways, and industrialisation, and perhaps with your village converted into a suburb of London. Child deaths, and maternal deaths, although still high by our standards, would be increasingly rare, rather than near-norms.
    I was once told, and have never had it contradicted, that if a medieval peasant was transported to the 1930's he could have managed the vast majority of farm equipment, with the exception of the threshing machine.
    By the 1970's he would have been totally lost.
    My farmer grandfather, who died in 1936, wouldn't have a tractor on the farm.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,662

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Reports of Korea's population decline are slightly exaggerated...

    Population of Korea (2024.11.1)
    - 51,805,547 (+31,026 from 2023.11.1)

    Korean - 49,762,803 (-76,568)
    Foreigner - 2,042,744 (+107,594)

    https://x.com/tyqwer16/status/1950056982611972331

    Interesting increase in foreigners

    During my trip to SKO I got a slight desire to live in Busan (rather more than Seoul, which I found less appealing)

    Great location, amazing markets, pleasant climate, vivacious people

    Also really close to Japan, it's about 90 mins from Osaka. And zero crime. And mad Russians, with the hookers

    Ah, life should be 300 years long, then one could try all these things
    British culture has rather been lost, and can't be restored. I hope that the Japanese and the Koreans manage to hold on to theirs.

    (There's of course a 'new' British culture, but it's quite different)
    27,000 people at the Oval watching a 5-day game of cricket, with many, many more watching it on TV or listening to it on the radio, rather suggests that 'British culture' is still pretty strong.
    Yes, but it's changed. We've experienced so many pressures from outside and inside that we've lost aspects of our culture that made us unique. I don't know whether such change is good or bad, but losing the historical identity wouldn't be my first choice.

    (I rate as a huge plus the sort of fusion identity which the immigrant communities have helped to make, but I rather wish we'd retained something of our own.)
    What are these aspects of culture, and how long were they actually part of our 'culture' ?
    Well undoubtedly many. 'Respect for the law' perhaps to choose one. (And of course that's probably just a Victorian thing)
    That's an interesting one. Not just in the questions of when it started, and if it ever actually really existed, and if it has in fact, disappeared.

    But I'd argue that 'respect for the law' is not a uniquely British attribute. And it will certainly have been challenged by the behaviour of some police over the last few decades.
    We’ve gone from a very high trust country - one of the most law abiding on earth - to a low-medium trust country. With the highest per capita rate of rape in the world

    Gee. Wonder why
    Britain is one of the most trusting major countries and levels of trust have risen in recent decades:

    https://www.kcl.ac.uk/news/uk-public-among-most-trusting-in-world-study-finds
    But plunging amongst the young

    And look at this. A quite extraordinary shift to the right in American young men in just two years. They’ve all been black pilled

    https://x.com/christianheiens/status/1950645127053180950?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    I predict this shift will continue. Young men - white men in particular? - have had enough of being blamed for everything bad
    It's not plunging among the young. Gen Z have more trust than millennials did at the same age, and all groups show rising trust as they get older (except Gen Z because there is only one data point).

    And who's blaming young white men for everything bad? Everyone knows that society's ills are all down to old white men!
    It’s a fucking ludicrous survey anyway. The proof of this pudding is very much in the eating. The measure of a high trust society is whether you can trust the people around you not to steal your phone or wallet or handbag if you leave it on a pub table or a restaurant counter

    Japan is a very high trust society and you can trust society not to steal your phone. Britain? lol
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,408

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Boost our pay or risk strike action, warn nurse leaders
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c36je08d111o

    GPs are also on the warpath as of course are junior doctors. Wes Streeting has got his hands full.

    Nurses to be fair have more of a case, their payrise is slightly lower than that GPs and consultants have been offered and GPs who are partners in their practice can earn 6 figure salaries
    Partners don't get salaries, by definition.
    Given the income comes from taxpayers unless they work in private practice effectively they do, practice profitability is relatively stable in the NHS as there is little competition for NHS patients with only 1 local GP surgery normally
    You'd be surprised how difficult it is to make a living as a GP. Put up an idea which challenges their income and it's clear that they are only one rung above the breadline.
    My Mum's income as a sole GP was £0 for two years' running. (This is going back over 30 years!)
    Really? Lots of ancillary staff?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,598

    Sean_F said:

    boulay said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Reports of Korea's population decline are slightly exaggerated...

    Population of Korea (2024.11.1)
    - 51,805,547 (+31,026 from 2023.11.1)

    Korean - 49,762,803 (-76,568)
    Foreigner - 2,042,744 (+107,594)

    https://x.com/tyqwer16/status/1950056982611972331

    Interesting increase in foreigners

    During my trip to SKO I got a slight desire to live in Busan (rather more than Seoul, which I found less appealing)

    Great location, amazing markets, pleasant climate, vivacious people

    Also really close to Japan, it's about 90 mins from Osaka. And zero crime. And mad Russians, with the hookers

    Ah, life should be 300 years long, then one could try all these things
    British culture has rather been lost, and can't be restored. I hope that the Japanese and the Koreans manage to hold on to theirs.

    (There's of course a 'new' British culture, but it's quite different)
    27,000 people at the Oval watching a 5-day game of cricket, with many, many more watching it on TV or listening to it on the radio, rather suggests that 'British culture' is still pretty strong.
    Yes, but it's changed. We've experienced so many pressures from outside and inside that we've lost aspects of our culture that made us unique. I don't know whether such change is good or bad, but losing the historical identity wouldn't be my first choice.

    (I rate as a huge plus the sort of fusion identity which the immigrant communities have helped to make, but I rather wish we'd retained something of our own.)
    Culture always changes. Any 'old' British culture you remember was a 'new' British culture to the generations before. It's perhaps things like the wireless, television and the Internet that do most to smooth away national differences.
    It’s really obvious when you look at shifts most easily identifiable by the royal period.

    Look at culture and manners differences between Stuart, Hanoverian, Georgian, Victorian, Edwardian, Post WW2, 60’s/70’s. The attitudes to religion, sex, drinking, crime all have noticeable differences. The preferences for art and culture are different, bawdiness levels or prurience peak and trough.

    How the British see themselves as insular, Britain first, global all change.

    Anybody today who only had seen Hogarth works as a reflection of a past Britain would think it was a wild, raucous, orgiastic riot of a country until modern times whilst anyone who only ever saw paintings by Victorian artists might think Britain was a stuffy and ordered world in the past.
    To my mind, the biggest shift must have been if you were born in England, in a village in the Home Counties, in say, 1780, and died in say 1860.

    You would grow up in a village society not that different to its counterpart 400 years earlier, but you would die in a very different world, a world of the telegraph, and railways, and industrialisation, and perhaps with your village converted into a suburb of London. Child deaths, and maternal deaths, although still high by our standards, would be increasingly rare, rather than near-norms.
    I was once told, and have never had it contradicted, that if a medieval peasant was transported to the 1930's he could have managed the vast majority of farm equipment, with the exception of the threshing machine.
    By the 1970's he would have been totally lost.
    My farmer grandfather, who died in 1936, wouldn't have a tractor on the farm.
    I suspect the seed drill and the mechanical reaper would have confused him somewhat as well.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,233
    edited July 31

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Boost our pay or risk strike action, warn nurse leaders
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c36je08d111o

    GPs are also on the warpath as of course are junior doctors. Wes Streeting has got his hands full.

    Nurses to be fair have more of a case, their payrise is slightly lower than that GPs and consultants have been offered and GPs who are partners in their practice can earn 6 figure salaries
    Partners don't get salaries, by definition.
    Given the income comes from taxpayers unless they work in private practice effectively they do, practice profitability is relatively stable in the NHS as there is little competition for NHS patients with only 1 local GP surgery normally
    You'd be surprised how difficult it is to make a living as a GP. Put up an idea which challenges their income and it's clear that they are only one rung above the breadline.
    My Mum's income as a sole GP was £0 for two years' running. (This is going back over 30 years!)
    Medicine and dentistry now have the highest earning graduate wage premium of any degrees in the UK, just ahead of economics and engineering

    https://edvoy.com/articles/highest-paying-degrees-in-uk/
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,348
    CatMan said:

    Looking at the rain radar, can't see any more play today at the Oval :(

    Ok, got that wrong! But there's more rain on the way, promise.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,798

    Sean_F said:

    Cicero said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Reports of Korea's population decline are slightly exaggerated...

    Population of Korea (2024.11.1)
    - 51,805,547 (+31,026 from 2023.11.1)

    Korean - 49,762,803 (-76,568)
    Foreigner - 2,042,744 (+107,594)

    https://x.com/tyqwer16/status/1950056982611972331

    Interesting increase in foreigners

    During my trip to SKO I got a slight desire to live in Busan (rather more than Seoul, which I found less appealing)

    Great location, amazing markets, pleasant climate, vivacious people

    Also really close to Japan, it's about 90 mins from Osaka. And zero crime. And mad Russians, with the hookers

    Ah, life should be 300 years long, then one could try all these things
    British culture has rather been lost, and can't be restored. I hope that the Japanese and the Koreans manage to hold on to theirs.

    (There's of course a 'new' British culture, but it's quite different)
    27,000 people at the Oval watching a 5-day game of cricket, with many, many more watching it on TV or listening to it on the radio, rather suggests that 'British culture' is still pretty strong.
    Yes, but it's changed. We've experienced so many pressures from outside and inside that we've lost aspects of our culture that made us unique. I don't know whether such change is good or bad, but losing the historical identity wouldn't be my first choice.

    (I rate as a huge plus the sort of fusion identity which the immigrant communities have helped to make, but I rather wish we'd retained something of our own.)
    I would say the biggest foreign influence on British culture- by far- is the United States. As I happen to think their food is putrid and far too many of their values facile and self destructive- e.g. drugs, I would actively seek a reduced American influence as fast as possible.
    And one of the worst examples is Reform UK apeing Republicans in the US.
    Politically, I think the US has very little to teach us.
    I disagree. It is rich in examples of what not to do.
    Nicola sums it up well "The feeling was mutual Donnie. Forever proud for representing all the things that offend your view of the world"
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,408
    ydoethur said:

    Sean_F said:

    boulay said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Reports of Korea's population decline are slightly exaggerated...

    Population of Korea (2024.11.1)
    - 51,805,547 (+31,026 from 2023.11.1)

    Korean - 49,762,803 (-76,568)
    Foreigner - 2,042,744 (+107,594)

    https://x.com/tyqwer16/status/1950056982611972331

    Interesting increase in foreigners

    During my trip to SKO I got a slight desire to live in Busan (rather more than Seoul, which I found less appealing)

    Great location, amazing markets, pleasant climate, vivacious people

    Also really close to Japan, it's about 90 mins from Osaka. And zero crime. And mad Russians, with the hookers

    Ah, life should be 300 years long, then one could try all these things
    British culture has rather been lost, and can't be restored. I hope that the Japanese and the Koreans manage to hold on to theirs.

    (There's of course a 'new' British culture, but it's quite different)
    27,000 people at the Oval watching a 5-day game of cricket, with many, many more watching it on TV or listening to it on the radio, rather suggests that 'British culture' is still pretty strong.
    Yes, but it's changed. We've experienced so many pressures from outside and inside that we've lost aspects of our culture that made us unique. I don't know whether such change is good or bad, but losing the historical identity wouldn't be my first choice.

    (I rate as a huge plus the sort of fusion identity which the immigrant communities have helped to make, but I rather wish we'd retained something of our own.)
    Culture always changes. Any 'old' British culture you remember was a 'new' British culture to the generations before. It's perhaps things like the wireless, television and the Internet that do most to smooth away national differences.
    It’s really obvious when you look at shifts most easily identifiable by the royal period.

    Look at culture and manners differences between Stuart, Hanoverian, Georgian, Victorian, Edwardian, Post WW2, 60’s/70’s. The attitudes to religion, sex, drinking, crime all have noticeable differences. The preferences for art and culture are different, bawdiness levels or prurience peak and trough.

    How the British see themselves as insular, Britain first, global all change.

    Anybody today who only had seen Hogarth works as a reflection of a past Britain would think it was a wild, raucous, orgiastic riot of a country until modern times whilst anyone who only ever saw paintings by Victorian artists might think Britain was a stuffy and ordered world in the past.
    To my mind, the biggest shift must have been if you were born in England, in a village in the Home Counties, in say, 1780, and died in say 1860.

    You would grow up in a village society not that different to its counterpart 400 years earlier, but you would die in a very different world, a world of the telegraph, and railways, and industrialisation, and perhaps with your village converted into a suburb of London. Child deaths, and maternal deaths, although still high by our standards, would be increasingly rare, rather than near-norms.
    I was once told, and have never had it contradicted, that if a medieval peasant was transported to the 1930's he could have managed the vast majority of farm equipment, with the exception of the threshing machine.
    By the 1970's he would have been totally lost.
    My farmer grandfather, who died in 1936, wouldn't have a tractor on the farm.
    I suspect the seed drill and the mechanical reaper would have confused him somewhat as well.
    Not sure about the seed drill, but take the point about the reaper.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,405

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Boost our pay or risk strike action, warn nurse leaders
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c36je08d111o

    GPs are also on the warpath as of course are junior doctors. Wes Streeting has got his hands full.

    Nurses to be fair have more of a case, their payrise is slightly lower than that GPs and consultants have been offered and GPs who are partners in their practice can earn 6 figure salaries
    Partners don't get salaries, by definition.
    Given the income comes from taxpayers unless they work in private practice effectively they do, practice profitability is relatively stable in the NHS as there is little competition for NHS patients with only 1 local GP surgery normally
    You'd be surprised how difficult it is to make a living as a GP. Put up an idea which challenges their income and it's clear that they are only one rung above the breadline.
    My Mum's income as a sole GP was £0 for two years' running. (This is going back over 30 years!)
    Really? Lots of ancillary staff?
    Costs from setting up a new practice.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,276

    Sean_F said:

    boulay said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Reports of Korea's population decline are slightly exaggerated...

    Population of Korea (2024.11.1)
    - 51,805,547 (+31,026 from 2023.11.1)

    Korean - 49,762,803 (-76,568)
    Foreigner - 2,042,744 (+107,594)

    https://x.com/tyqwer16/status/1950056982611972331

    Interesting increase in foreigners

    During my trip to SKO I got a slight desire to live in Busan (rather more than Seoul, which I found less appealing)

    Great location, amazing markets, pleasant climate, vivacious people

    Also really close to Japan, it's about 90 mins from Osaka. And zero crime. And mad Russians, with the hookers

    Ah, life should be 300 years long, then one could try all these things
    British culture has rather been lost, and can't be restored. I hope that the Japanese and the Koreans manage to hold on to theirs.

    (There's of course a 'new' British culture, but it's quite different)
    27,000 people at the Oval watching a 5-day game of cricket, with many, many more watching it on TV or listening to it on the radio, rather suggests that 'British culture' is still pretty strong.
    Yes, but it's changed. We've experienced so many pressures from outside and inside that we've lost aspects of our culture that made us unique. I don't know whether such change is good or bad, but losing the historical identity wouldn't be my first choice.

    (I rate as a huge plus the sort of fusion identity which the immigrant communities have helped to make, but I rather wish we'd retained something of our own.)
    Culture always changes. Any 'old' British culture you remember was a 'new' British culture to the generations before. It's perhaps things like the wireless, television and the Internet that do most to smooth away national differences.
    It’s really obvious when you look at shifts most easily identifiable by the royal period.

    Look at culture and manners differences between Stuart, Hanoverian, Georgian, Victorian, Edwardian, Post WW2, 60’s/70’s. The attitudes to religion, sex, drinking, crime all have noticeable differences. The preferences for art and culture are different, bawdiness levels or prurience peak and trough.

    How the British see themselves as insular, Britain first, global all change.

    Anybody today who only had seen Hogarth works as a reflection of a past Britain would think it was a wild, raucous, orgiastic riot of a country until modern times whilst anyone who only ever saw paintings by Victorian artists might think Britain was a stuffy and ordered world in the past.
    To my mind, the biggest shift must have been if you were born in England, in a village in the Home Counties, in say, 1780, and died in say 1860.

    You would grow up in a village society not that different to its counterpart 400 years earlier, but you would die in a very different world, a world of the telegraph, and railways, and industrialisation, and perhaps with your village converted into a suburb of London. Child deaths, and maternal deaths, although still high by our standards, would be increasingly rare, rather than near-norms.
    I was once told, and have never had it contradicted, that if a medieval peasant was transported to the 1930's he could have managed the vast majority of farm equipment, with the exception of the threshing machine.
    By the 1970's he would have been totally lost.
    My farmer grandfather, who died in 1936, wouldn't have a tractor on the farm.
    Homes that were built in the 1920's and 1930's (including council housing), came with gardens, because it was assumed that most people would want to grow fruit and vegetables. I imagine that only a small minority of the population would know how to do that now - so if we were hit by some appalling pandemic or war, or natural catastrophe that interrupted the supply of goods, we'd face massive starvation.

    And, if you look at GDP per head, in 1930, it's far closer to a medieval number than it is to today's number.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,408

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Boost our pay or risk strike action, warn nurse leaders
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c36je08d111o

    GPs are also on the warpath as of course are junior doctors. Wes Streeting has got his hands full.

    Nurses to be fair have more of a case, their payrise is slightly lower than that GPs and consultants have been offered and GPs who are partners in their practice can earn 6 figure salaries
    Partners don't get salaries, by definition.
    Given the income comes from taxpayers unless they work in private practice effectively they do, practice profitability is relatively stable in the NHS as there is little competition for NHS patients with only 1 local GP surgery normally
    You'd be surprised how difficult it is to make a living as a GP. Put up an idea which challenges their income and it's clear that they are only one rung above the breadline.
    My Mum's income as a sole GP was £0 for two years' running. (This is going back over 30 years!)
    Really? Lots of ancillary staff?
    Costs from setting up a new practice.
    Ah, understand. Setting up as a single-handed practitioner could easily be expensive. Being single handed in the 80's/90's was becoming increasingly unusual, though.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,405

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Boost our pay or risk strike action, warn nurse leaders
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c36je08d111o

    GPs are also on the warpath as of course are junior doctors. Wes Streeting has got his hands full.

    Nurses to be fair have more of a case, their payrise is slightly lower than that GPs and consultants have been offered and GPs who are partners in their practice can earn 6 figure salaries
    Partners don't get salaries, by definition.
    Given the income comes from taxpayers unless they work in private practice effectively they do, practice profitability is relatively stable in the NHS as there is little competition for NHS patients with only 1 local GP surgery normally
    You'd be surprised how difficult it is to make a living as a GP. Put up an idea which challenges their income and it's clear that they are only one rung above the breadline.
    My Mum's income as a sole GP was £0 for two years' running. (This is going back over 30 years!)
    Really? Lots of ancillary staff?
    Costs from setting up a new practice.
    Ah, understand. Setting up as a single-handed practitioner could easily be expensive. Being single handed in the 80's/90's was becoming increasingly unusual, though.
    This was mid-eighties. Unheard of now.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,662
    Hmmmm

    I fear the deadening hand of mass tourism is coming for Tavira. Once the secret pearl of the algarve… now there are TWO Indian restaurants
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,445
    Day out in the centre for me. Phone not nicked again. Always the way.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,386
    Leon said:

    Hmmmm

    I fear the deadening hand of mass tourism is coming for Tavira. Once the secret pearl of the algarve… now there are TWO Indian restaurants

    Every time I have been its been very busy with tourists.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,662
    Britain is broken. But great for foreigners. Part 9,823

    “Non-UK trained IMG doctors in some hospitals are capturing departments, funnelling all hiring through foreign pools, while British doctors feel ostracised.

    'If you're a UK grad, you're seen as an outsider ... [you're seen] as an imposter and they want nothing to do with you'”

    https://x.com/maxtempers/status/1950914932033126738?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,408

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Boost our pay or risk strike action, warn nurse leaders
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c36je08d111o

    GPs are also on the warpath as of course are junior doctors. Wes Streeting has got his hands full.

    Nurses to be fair have more of a case, their payrise is slightly lower than that GPs and consultants have been offered and GPs who are partners in their practice can earn 6 figure salaries
    Partners don't get salaries, by definition.
    Given the income comes from taxpayers unless they work in private practice effectively they do, practice profitability is relatively stable in the NHS as there is little competition for NHS patients with only 1 local GP surgery normally
    You'd be surprised how difficult it is to make a living as a GP. Put up an idea which challenges their income and it's clear that they are only one rung above the breadline.
    My Mum's income as a sole GP was £0 for two years' running. (This is going back over 30 years!)
    Really? Lots of ancillary staff?
    Costs from setting up a new practice.
    Ah, understand. Setting up as a single-handed practitioner could easily be expensive. Being single handed in the 80's/90's was becoming increasingly unusual, though.
    This was mid-eighties. Unheard of now.
    I worked for a Primary Care Trust in the mid 90's. I think we had just the one. Our neighbours had, I think, two.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,522
    kinabalu said:

    Day out in the centre for me. Phone not nicked again. Always the way.

    You obviously look like a hard nut who would hunt those thieving toerags down and give them the thrashing of their life.
    Leon isn't quite so lucky in that regard.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,741
    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    boulay said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Reports of Korea's population decline are slightly exaggerated...

    Population of Korea (2024.11.1)
    - 51,805,547 (+31,026 from 2023.11.1)

    Korean - 49,762,803 (-76,568)
    Foreigner - 2,042,744 (+107,594)

    https://x.com/tyqwer16/status/1950056982611972331

    Interesting increase in foreigners

    During my trip to SKO I got a slight desire to live in Busan (rather more than Seoul, which I found less appealing)

    Great location, amazing markets, pleasant climate, vivacious people

    Also really close to Japan, it's about 90 mins from Osaka. And zero crime. And mad Russians, with the hookers

    Ah, life should be 300 years long, then one could try all these things
    British culture has rather been lost, and can't be restored. I hope that the Japanese and the Koreans manage to hold on to theirs.

    (There's of course a 'new' British culture, but it's quite different)
    27,000 people at the Oval watching a 5-day game of cricket, with many, many more watching it on TV or listening to it on the radio, rather suggests that 'British culture' is still pretty strong.
    Yes, but it's changed. We've experienced so many pressures from outside and inside that we've lost aspects of our culture that made us unique. I don't know whether such change is good or bad, but losing the historical identity wouldn't be my first choice.

    (I rate as a huge plus the sort of fusion identity which the immigrant communities have helped to make, but I rather wish we'd retained something of our own.)
    Culture always changes. Any 'old' British culture you remember was a 'new' British culture to the generations before. It's perhaps things like the wireless, television and the Internet that do most to smooth away national differences.
    It’s really obvious when you look at shifts most easily identifiable by the royal period.

    Look at culture and manners differences between Stuart, Hanoverian, Georgian, Victorian, Edwardian, Post WW2, 60’s/70’s. The attitudes to religion, sex, drinking, crime all have noticeable differences. The preferences for art and culture are different, bawdiness levels or prurience peak and trough.

    How the British see themselves as insular, Britain first, global all change.

    Anybody today who only had seen Hogarth works as a reflection of a past Britain would think it was a wild, raucous, orgiastic riot of a country until modern times whilst anyone who only ever saw paintings by Victorian artists might think Britain was a stuffy and ordered world in the past.
    To my mind, the biggest shift must have been if you were born in England, in a village in the Home Counties, in say, 1780, and died in say 1860.

    You would grow up in a village society not that different to its counterpart 400 years earlier, but you would die in a very different world, a world of the telegraph, and railways, and industrialisation, and perhaps with your village converted into a suburb of London. Child deaths, and maternal deaths, although still high by our standards, would be increasingly rare, rather than near-norms.
    I was once told, and have never had it contradicted, that if a medieval peasant was transported to the 1930's he could have managed the vast majority of farm equipment, with the exception of the threshing machine.
    By the 1970's he would have been totally lost.
    My farmer grandfather, who died in 1936, wouldn't have a tractor on the farm.
    Homes that were built in the 1920's and 1930's (including council housing), came with gardens, because it was assumed that most people would want to grow fruit and vegetables. I imagine that only a small minority of the population would know how to do that now - so if we were hit by some appalling pandemic or war, or natural catastrophe that interrupted the supply of goods, we'd face massive starvation.

    And, if you look at GDP per head, in 1930, it's far closer to a medieval number than it is to today's number.
    When I worked for Defra, there was a guideline that we should aim to maintain domestic food production at 70% of consumption. It was assumed that this would be more expensive than simply importing the cheapest food from anywhere, but the implicit assumption was that this was the minimum that would avoid starvation starting to become a serious possibility.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,662

    Leon said:

    Hmmmm

    I fear the deadening hand of mass tourism is coming for Tavira. Once the secret pearl of the algarve… now there are TWO Indian restaurants

    Every time I have been its been very busy with tourists.
    Along the river, yes fairly touristy (in high summer)

    But now it’s spreading into the town and a few streets are turning into those ghastly faro-like Disneyland experiences where every single building is a restaurant/souvenir shop

    Not good. I hope it stops
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,978
    kjh said:

    Taz said:

    kjh said:

    Taz said:

    viewcode said:

    Jay from the Inbetweeners complaining about paying for the bins is going viral on social media.

    The link is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gm_z6aXi1do&t=604s
    In Durham we’ve been paying for around a decade for them to take our garden waste. £35 a year IiRC.

    What can you do ? Needs taking. Fuckers rinse you for every penny they can get. I’m a pensioner too !
    How about composting. We compost everything. Admittedly I have the space and a large compost area, but then I have a huge garden creating a lot of compost. If you have a small garden one bin should be enough. Our holiday home bin is only 1/3rd full. If you are hedge cutting it might be a challenge, but if you chop it small enough you should be able to get it in over a few weeks. It drops in volume quickly. If it is lawn cuttings get a mower with a mulcher (if a small lawn you probably don't need it). No waste and no need to fertilize the lawn.

    I am always surprised by the number of garden waste bins around. Am I missing something?
    You are.

    I do compost. Both food waste, I have an wormery, and grass clippings but I cannot compost everything.

    As you say yourself you have the space and a large area.

    Every year I used the wormery stuff for my grown and put the worm wee on the garden.

    This year has been dry so not so bad as the grass has not really been growing. Last year I was trimming my unwieldy bush and cutting my lawn weekly.
    Have you tried a lawn mower that mulches. No grass cuttings, free fertiliser and no emptying of grass cutting container.

    Not sure I should comment about the trimming of your unwieldy bush.
    PS If the grass is wet or too long they don't work, plus I can't use it in the area our dog is allowed in because he brings grass in on his paws. So not perfect.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,233
    edited July 31
    Leon said:

    Britain is broken. But great for foreigners. Part 9,823

    “Non-UK trained IMG doctors in some hospitals are capturing departments, funnelling all hiring through foreign pools, while British doctors feel ostracised.

    'If you're a UK grad, you're seen as an outsider ... [you're seen] as an imposter and they want nothing to do with you'”

    https://x.com/maxtempers/status/1950914932033126738?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Abolition of the Resident Labour Market Test under Boris seems to have been a factor, as that required a role to be advertised for 28 days only to domestic applicants before someone could be hired who was not already a suitable settled worker within the UK

    https://x.com/maxtempers/status/1933162014421000265
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,402
    I have to say the American left melting down over the Sydney Sweeney advert is quite funny to watch. She's brought being sexy in adverts back and it resulted in 14% increase in American Eagle's share price. It's almost as though sex and aspiration sells while ugly, dumpy models in adverts were turning people away.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,662
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Britain is broken. But great for foreigners. Part 9,823

    “Non-UK trained IMG doctors in some hospitals are capturing departments, funnelling all hiring through foreign pools, while British doctors feel ostracised.

    'If you're a UK grad, you're seen as an outsider ... [you're seen] as an imposter and they want nothing to do with you'”

    https://x.com/maxtempers/status/1950914932033126738?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Abolition of the Resident Labour Market Test under Boris seems to have been a factor

    https://x.com/maxtempers/status/1933162014421000265
    So, yet another catastrophic policy from the Tories, eagerly continued by Labour. And you expect people to vote for your rancid party ever again?

    Reform, Reform, Reform
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,402
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Britain is broken. But great for foreigners. Part 9,823

    “Non-UK trained IMG doctors in some hospitals are capturing departments, funnelling all hiring through foreign pools, while British doctors feel ostracised.

    'If you're a UK grad, you're seen as an outsider ... [you're seen] as an imposter and they want nothing to do with you'”

    https://x.com/maxtempers/status/1950914932033126738?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Abolition of the Resident Labour Market Test under Boris seems to have been a factor

    https://x.com/maxtempers/status/1933162014421000265
    An easy win to bring that back, the fact that there's thousands of recently graduated doctors in the UK that can't find positions in the NHS is a disaster and huge waste of resources. We need to find them jobs and make sure that they don't decide to change industries or go Australia/Canada where they will get snapped up.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,386
    edited July 31
    MaxPB said:

    I have to say the American left melting down over the Sydney Sweeney advert is quite funny to watch. She's brought being sexy in adverts back and it resulted in 14% increase in American Eagle's share price. It's almost as though sex and aspiration sells while ugly, dumpy models in adverts were turning people away.

    Its like the inverse Bud light...

    The thing is I think the criticism in the 2000s say of ultra stick thin models was fair. Sydney Sweeney is not that.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,978
    kinabalu said:

    Day out in the centre for me. Phone not nicked again. Always the way.

    Trouble is I bet you weren't drunk. Not a valid test then.

    I'm in tomorrow. I'll see how it goes. Knowing my luck it probably will get nicked then I will feel foolish. Heading over to @leons neck of the woods as well.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,741
    Leon said:



    It’s a fucking ludicrous survey anyway. The proof of this pudding is very much in the eating. The measure of a high trust society is whether you can trust the people around you not to steal your phone or wallet or handbag if you leave it on a pub table or a restaurant counter

    Japan is a very high trust society and you can trust society not to steal your phone. Britain? lol

    You live in London where I guess that things are different (though I never experienced any crime during the 20 years that I lived there), but out in Oxfordshire I'd be very surprised if someone stole my phone if I left it in a pub or restaurant. Obviously it can happen, and conversely you can be fine in London, but you're in danger of generalising from the big city.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,020

    Leon said:



    It’s a fucking ludicrous survey anyway. The proof of this pudding is very much in the eating. The measure of a high trust society is whether you can trust the people around you not to steal your phone or wallet or handbag if you leave it on a pub table or a restaurant counter

    Japan is a very high trust society and you can trust society not to steal your phone. Britain? lol

    You live in London where I guess that things are different (though I never experienced any crime during the 20 years that I lived there), but out in Oxfordshire I'd be very surprised if someone stole my phone if I left it in a pub or restaurant. Obviously it can happen, and conversely you can be fine in London, but you're in danger of generalising from the big city.
    I guess you're not including Oxford where one evening I forgot to bring my bike in the back gate and it was gone the next morning.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,020
    MaxPB said:

    I have to say the American left melting down over the Sydney Sweeney advert is quite funny to watch. She's brought being sexy in adverts back and it resulted in 14% increase in American Eagle's share price. It's almost as though sex and aspiration sells while ugly, dumpy models in adverts were turning people away.

    They certainly seem to be getting plenty of free publicity.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,386
    tlg86 said:

    Leon said:



    It’s a fucking ludicrous survey anyway. The proof of this pudding is very much in the eating. The measure of a high trust society is whether you can trust the people around you not to steal your phone or wallet or handbag if you leave it on a pub table or a restaurant counter

    Japan is a very high trust society and you can trust society not to steal your phone. Britain? lol

    You live in London where I guess that things are different (though I never experienced any crime during the 20 years that I lived there), but out in Oxfordshire I'd be very surprised if someone stole my phone if I left it in a pub or restaurant. Obviously it can happen, and conversely you can be fine in London, but you're in danger of generalising from the big city.
    I guess you're not including Oxford where one evening I forgot to bring my bike in the back gate and it was gone the next morning.
    Oxford and Cambridge are infamous for bike thefts.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,233
    edited July 31
    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Britain is broken. But great for foreigners. Part 9,823

    “Non-UK trained IMG doctors in some hospitals are capturing departments, funnelling all hiring through foreign pools, while British doctors feel ostracised.

    'If you're a UK grad, you're seen as an outsider ... [you're seen] as an imposter and they want nothing to do with you'”

    https://x.com/maxtempers/status/1950914932033126738?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Abolition of the Resident Labour Market Test under Boris seems to have been a factor

    https://x.com/maxtempers/status/1933162014421000265
    So, yet another catastrophic policy from the Tories, eagerly continued by Labour. And you expect people to vote for your rancid party ever again?

    Reform, Reform, Reform
    Another factor in the Boriswave.

    To be fair to Rishi and Cleverly they raised the salary foreign workers have to earn to at least £38,700 to qualify for a UK skilled worker visa with minimum salary levels needed for British nationals to bring foreign relatives to the UK also £38,700.

    However most doctors and consultants will earn over that and there is the separate Health and Care Worker Visa too
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,402

    MaxPB said:

    I have to say the American left melting down over the Sydney Sweeney advert is quite funny to watch. She's brought being sexy in adverts back and it resulted in 14% increase in American Eagle's share price. It's almost as though sex and aspiration sells while ugly, dumpy models in adverts were turning people away.

    Its like the inverse Bud light...

    The thing is I think the criticism in the 2000s say of ultra stick thin models was fair. Sydney Sweeney is not that.
    It's the whole jeans/genes thing that's got them really riled up. It's absolutely brilliant marketing. A brand that was circling the drain is now the most talked about for the last week and in a very positive way among their target market of young women who are slim and buy premium jeans. Losing the purple hair genderless blob market won't even make a 1% hit to their revenue.
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,795

    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    boulay said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Reports of Korea's population decline are slightly exaggerated...

    Population of Korea (2024.11.1)
    - 51,805,547 (+31,026 from 2023.11.1)

    Korean - 49,762,803 (-76,568)
    Foreigner - 2,042,744 (+107,594)

    https://x.com/tyqwer16/status/1950056982611972331

    Interesting increase in foreigners

    During my trip to SKO I got a slight desire to live in Busan (rather more than Seoul, which I found less appealing)

    Great location, amazing markets, pleasant climate, vivacious people

    Also really close to Japan, it's about 90 mins from Osaka. And zero crime. And mad Russians, with the hookers

    Ah, life should be 300 years long, then one could try all these things
    British culture has rather been lost, and can't be restored. I hope that the Japanese and the Koreans manage to hold on to theirs.

    (There's of course a 'new' British culture, but it's quite different)
    27,000 people at the Oval watching a 5-day game of cricket, with many, many more watching it on TV or listening to it on the radio, rather suggests that 'British culture' is still pretty strong.
    Yes, but it's changed. We've experienced so many pressures from outside and inside that we've lost aspects of our culture that made us unique. I don't know whether such change is good or bad, but losing the historical identity wouldn't be my first choice.

    (I rate as a huge plus the sort of fusion identity which the immigrant communities have helped to make, but I rather wish we'd retained something of our own.)
    Culture always changes. Any 'old' British culture you remember was a 'new' British culture to the generations before. It's perhaps things like the wireless, television and the Internet that do most to smooth away national differences.
    It’s really obvious when you look at shifts most easily identifiable by the royal period.

    Look at culture and manners differences between Stuart, Hanoverian, Georgian, Victorian, Edwardian, Post WW2, 60’s/70’s. The attitudes to religion, sex, drinking, crime all have noticeable differences. The preferences for art and culture are different, bawdiness levels or prurience peak and trough.

    How the British see themselves as insular, Britain first, global all change.

    Anybody today who only had seen Hogarth works as a reflection of a past Britain would think it was a wild, raucous, orgiastic riot of a country until modern times whilst anyone who only ever saw paintings by Victorian artists might think Britain was a stuffy and ordered world in the past.
    To my mind, the biggest shift must have been if you were born in England, in a village in the Home Counties, in say, 1780, and died in say 1860.

    You would grow up in a village society not that different to its counterpart 400 years earlier, but you would die in a very different world, a world of the telegraph, and railways, and industrialisation, and perhaps with your village converted into a suburb of London. Child deaths, and maternal deaths, although still high by our standards, would be increasingly rare, rather than near-norms.
    I was once told, and have never had it contradicted, that if a medieval peasant was transported to the 1930's he could have managed the vast majority of farm equipment, with the exception of the threshing machine.
    By the 1970's he would have been totally lost.
    My farmer grandfather, who died in 1936, wouldn't have a tractor on the farm.
    Homes that were built in the 1920's and 1930's (including council housing), came with gardens, because it was assumed that most people would want to grow fruit and vegetables. I imagine that only a small minority of the population would know how to do that now - so if we were hit by some appalling pandemic or war, or natural catastrophe that interrupted the supply of goods, we'd face massive starvation.

    And, if you look at GDP per head, in 1930, it's far closer to a medieval number than it is to today's number.
    When I worked for Defra, there was a guideline that we should aim to maintain domestic food production at 70% of consumption. It was assumed that this would be more expensive than simply importing the cheapest food from anywhere, but the implicit assumption was that this was the minimum that would avoid starvation starting to become a serious possibility.
    Is there amy deep planning to how we would acquire and distribute food if we couldn't import? I know certain western states are building larger food stockpiles, was anything like this considered?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,662
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    I have to say the American left melting down over the Sydney Sweeney advert is quite funny to watch. She's brought being sexy in adverts back and it resulted in 14% increase in American Eagle's share price. It's almost as though sex and aspiration sells while ugly, dumpy models in adverts were turning people away.

    Its like the inverse Bud light...

    The thing is I think the criticism in the 2000s say of ultra stick thin models was fair. Sydney Sweeney is not that.
    It's the whole jeans/genes thing that's got them really riled up. It's absolutely brilliant marketing. A brand that was circling the drain is now the most talked about for the last week and in a very positive way among their target market of young women who are slim and buy premium jeans. Losing the purple hair genderless blob market won't even make a 1% hit to their revenue.
    Yes. It’s like they saw what happened to jaguar and thought - let’s do the opposite because jaguar’s rebrand was a disaster
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,893
    edited July 31
    Hold on, why are we considering giving Doctors (even more) whacking great pay rises if Boris' changes bought the whole of the rest of the world into fierce competition for places ?
    Not even getting the benefit of his nonsense reforms !

    Guess this explains why Gallowgate's other half is struggling to find a job though..
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,386
    edited July 31
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    I have to say the American left melting down over the Sydney Sweeney advert is quite funny to watch. She's brought being sexy in adverts back and it resulted in 14% increase in American Eagle's share price. It's almost as though sex and aspiration sells while ugly, dumpy models in adverts were turning people away.

    Its like the inverse Bud light...

    The thing is I think the criticism in the 2000s say of ultra stick thin models was fair. Sydney Sweeney is not that.
    It's the whole jeans/genes thing that's got them really riled up. It's absolutely brilliant marketing. A brand that was circling the drain is now the most talked about for the last week and in a very positive way among their target market of young women who are slim and buy premium jeans. Losing the purple hair genderless blob market won't even make a 1% hit to their revenue.
    The blue hair lot are seeing things that aren't there. Its really not full on Hitler Youth to say something has great genetics e.g. Ronnie Coleman is the greatest bodybuilder ever, I think its absolutely undeniable he does (and of course loads of PEDs). He is black dude for what it is worth.

    Its a hot woman (in a not super model way, more of there are normal women out there who do look like that) who has been in a number of very big tv shows advertising some clothes.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,402
    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    I have to say the American left melting down over the Sydney Sweeney advert is quite funny to watch. She's brought being sexy in adverts back and it resulted in 14% increase in American Eagle's share price. It's almost as though sex and aspiration sells while ugly, dumpy models in adverts were turning people away.

    Its like the inverse Bud light...

    The thing is I think the criticism in the 2000s say of ultra stick thin models was fair. Sydney Sweeney is not that.
    It's the whole jeans/genes thing that's got them really riled up. It's absolutely brilliant marketing. A brand that was circling the drain is now the most talked about for the last week and in a very positive way among their target market of young women who are slim and buy premium jeans. Losing the purple hair genderless blob market won't even make a 1% hit to their revenue.
    Yes. It’s like they saw what happened to jaguar and thought - let’s do the opposite because jaguar’s rebrand was a disaster
    Jaguar saw that purple hair genderless blob market and decided they wanted a piece of that action.

    I actually think we're entering the age of normality again, companies are withdrawing from overt political propaganda, all of that rainbow nonsense is on its way out and they're all realising that having diversity departments/ERGs etc... are not only a waste of time, they're detracting from the core mission statement which is to make as much money for their shareholders and grow shareholder equity.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,386
    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    I have to say the American left melting down over the Sydney Sweeney advert is quite funny to watch. She's brought being sexy in adverts back and it resulted in 14% increase in American Eagle's share price. It's almost as though sex and aspiration sells while ugly, dumpy models in adverts were turning people away.

    Its like the inverse Bud light...

    The thing is I think the criticism in the 2000s say of ultra stick thin models was fair. Sydney Sweeney is not that.
    It's the whole jeans/genes thing that's got them really riled up. It's absolutely brilliant marketing. A brand that was circling the drain is now the most talked about for the last week and in a very positive way among their target market of young women who are slim and buy premium jeans. Losing the purple hair genderless blob market won't even make a 1% hit to their revenue.
    Yes. It’s like they saw what happened to jaguar and thought - let’s do the opposite because jaguar’s rebrand was a disaster
    Jaguar saw that purple hair genderless blob market and decided they wanted a piece of that action.

    I actually think we're entering the age of normality again, companies are withdrawing from overt political propaganda, all of that rainbow nonsense is on its way out and they're all realising that having diversity departments/ERGs etc... are not only a waste of time, they're detracting from the core mission statement which is to make as much money for their shareholders and grow shareholder equity.
    A demographic famed for having £150k lying around for a new car.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,043
    Omnium said:

    ydoethur said:

    Omnium said:

    TOPPING said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Reports of Korea's population decline are slightly exaggerated...

    Population of Korea (2024.11.1)
    - 51,805,547 (+31,026 from 2023.11.1)

    Korean - 49,762,803 (-76,568)
    Foreigner - 2,042,744 (+107,594)

    https://x.com/tyqwer16/status/1950056982611972331

    Interesting increase in foreigners

    During my trip to SKO I got a slight desire to live in Busan (rather more than Seoul, which I found less appealing)

    Great location, amazing markets, pleasant climate, vivacious people

    Also really close to Japan, it's about 90 mins from Osaka. And zero crime. And mad Russians, with the hookers

    Ah, life should be 300 years long, then one could try all these things
    British culture has rather been lost, and can't be restored. I hope that the Japanese and the Koreans manage to hold on to theirs.

    (There's of course a 'new' British culture, but it's quite different)
    Rubbish. It's alive and well but it might not come to you in your sitting room (that's more likely to be a US mini-series).

    If you, or anyone on PB has 90 minutes to investigate and is curious about the best of British culture, and you are in London, I super strongly advise you to get yourself down to The Glitch (me neither) in Waterloo to see "In Defence of Adventurous Mothers". A fantastic two-hander written by Simon Marshall and on for the rest of the week until Sunday.

    I was there last night and it is the very best of "British Culture" (whatever that means).

    https://www.theglitch.london/in-defence-of-adventurous-mothers
    Wander into a Royal park any day. What would you see a hundred years ago? What do you see now?

    Grass and trees.
    Undoubtedly, but one can see more too.
    FENTON!!!!!!!!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,386
    edited July 31
    One thing that is interesting with Sydney Sweeney she leans into these kind of ads and totally unapologetic about it.

    So much of Hollywood would already be flogging themselves in the public square asking for forgiveness, because bluesky are ranting about her being Hitler Youth adjacent.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,715
    edited July 31

    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    boulay said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Reports of Korea's population decline are slightly exaggerated...

    Population of Korea (2024.11.1)
    - 51,805,547 (+31,026 from 2023.11.1)

    Korean - 49,762,803 (-76,568)
    Foreigner - 2,042,744 (+107,594)

    https://x.com/tyqwer16/status/1950056982611972331

    Interesting increase in foreigners

    During my trip to SKO I got a slight desire to live in Busan (rather more than Seoul, which I found less appealing)

    Great location, amazing markets, pleasant climate, vivacious people

    Also really close to Japan, it's about 90 mins from Osaka. And zero crime. And mad Russians, with the hookers

    Ah, life should be 300 years long, then one could try all these things
    British culture has rather been lost, and can't be restored. I hope that the Japanese and the Koreans manage to hold on to theirs.

    (There's of course a 'new' British culture, but it's quite different)
    27,000 people at the Oval watching a 5-day game of cricket, with many, many more watching it on TV or listening to it on the radio, rather suggests that 'British culture' is still pretty strong.
    Yes, but it's changed. We've experienced so many pressures from outside and inside that we've lost aspects of our culture that made us unique. I don't know whether such change is good or bad, but losing the historical identity wouldn't be my first choice.

    (I rate as a huge plus the sort of fusion identity which the immigrant communities have helped to make, but I rather wish we'd retained something of our own.)
    Culture always changes. Any 'old' British culture you remember was a 'new' British culture to the generations before. It's perhaps things like the wireless, television and the Internet that do most to smooth away national differences.
    It’s really obvious when you look at shifts most easily identifiable by the royal period.

    Look at culture and manners differences between Stuart, Hanoverian, Georgian, Victorian, Edwardian, Post WW2, 60’s/70’s. The attitudes to religion, sex, drinking, crime all have noticeable differences. The preferences for art and culture are different, bawdiness levels or prurience peak and trough.

    How the British see themselves as insular, Britain first, global all change.

    Anybody today who only had seen Hogarth works as a reflection of a past Britain would think it was a wild, raucous, orgiastic riot of a country until modern times whilst anyone who only ever saw paintings by Victorian artists might think Britain was a stuffy and ordered world in the past.
    To my mind, the biggest shift must have been if you were born in England, in a village in the Home Counties, in say, 1780, and died in say 1860.

    You would grow up in a village society not that different to its counterpart 400 years earlier, but you would die in a very different world, a world of the telegraph, and railways, and industrialisation, and perhaps with your village converted into a suburb of London. Child deaths, and maternal deaths, although still high by our standards, would be increasingly rare, rather than near-norms.
    I was once told, and have never had it contradicted, that if a medieval peasant was transported to the 1930's he could have managed the vast majority of farm equipment, with the exception of the threshing machine.
    By the 1970's he would have been totally lost.
    My farmer grandfather, who died in 1936, wouldn't have a tractor on the farm.
    Homes that were built in the 1920's and 1930's (including council housing), came with gardens, because it was assumed that most people would want to grow fruit and vegetables. I imagine that only a small minority of the population would know how to do that now - so if we were hit by some appalling pandemic or war, or natural catastrophe that interrupted the supply of goods, we'd face massive starvation.

    And, if you look at GDP per head, in 1930, it's far closer to a medieval number than it is to today's number.
    When I worked for Defra, there was a guideline that we should aim to maintain domestic food production at 70% of consumption. It was assumed that this would be more expensive than simply importing the cheapest food from anywhere, but the implicit assumption was that this was the minimum that would avoid starvation starting to become a serious possibility.
    Is there amy deep planning to how we would acquire and distribute food if we couldn't import? I know certain western states are building larger food stockpiles, was anything like this considered?
    Not just council house and semis in Orpington, but playing fields, bowling greens, golf clubs and so on in 1939-47.

    It's a real concern to many, as I've commented on here - relying on importing artichokes or steaks from e.g. Australia is seriously risky as well as stupid. Not just for military reasons but also increasing climate instability - elsewhere as well as the UK. A greater percentage produced in the UK would itself help buffer against both.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/jul/22/britons-grocery-bills-rise-supermarkets-inflation-worldpanel
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/jul/28/climateflation-could-push-up-uk-food-prices-by-more-than-a-third-by-2050-report-says
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/29/national-security-definition-food-climate
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,066

    NEW THREAD

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,043
    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    boulay said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Reports of Korea's population decline are slightly exaggerated...

    Population of Korea (2024.11.1)
    - 51,805,547 (+31,026 from 2023.11.1)

    Korean - 49,762,803 (-76,568)
    Foreigner - 2,042,744 (+107,594)

    https://x.com/tyqwer16/status/1950056982611972331

    Interesting increase in foreigners

    During my trip to SKO I got a slight desire to live in Busan (rather more than Seoul, which I found less appealing)

    Great location, amazing markets, pleasant climate, vivacious people

    Also really close to Japan, it's about 90 mins from Osaka. And zero crime. And mad Russians, with the hookers

    Ah, life should be 300 years long, then one could try all these things
    British culture has rather been lost, and can't be restored. I hope that the Japanese and the Koreans manage to hold on to theirs.

    (There's of course a 'new' British culture, but it's quite different)
    27,000 people at the Oval watching a 5-day game of cricket, with many, many more watching it on TV or listening to it on the radio, rather suggests that 'British culture' is still pretty strong.
    Yes, but it's changed. We've experienced so many pressures from outside and inside that we've lost aspects of our culture that made us unique. I don't know whether such change is good or bad, but losing the historical identity wouldn't be my first choice.

    (I rate as a huge plus the sort of fusion identity which the immigrant communities have helped to make, but I rather wish we'd retained something of our own.)
    Culture always changes. Any 'old' British culture you remember was a 'new' British culture to the generations before. It's perhaps things like the wireless, television and the Internet that do most to smooth away national differences.
    It’s really obvious when you look at shifts most easily identifiable by the royal period.

    Look at culture and manners differences between Stuart, Hanoverian, Georgian, Victorian, Edwardian, Post WW2, 60’s/70’s. The attitudes to religion, sex, drinking, crime all have noticeable differences. The preferences for art and culture are different, bawdiness levels or prurience peak and trough.

    How the British see themselves as insular, Britain first, global all change.

    Anybody today who only had seen Hogarth works as a reflection of a past Britain would think it was a wild, raucous, orgiastic riot of a country until modern times whilst anyone who only ever saw paintings by Victorian artists might think Britain was a stuffy and ordered world in the past.
    To my mind, the biggest shift must have been if you were born in England, in a village in the Home Counties, in say, 1780, and died in say 1860.

    You would grow up in a village society not that different to its counterpart 400 years earlier, but you would die in a very different world, a world of the telegraph, and railways, and industrialisation, and perhaps with your village converted into a suburb of London. Child deaths, and maternal deaths, although still high by our standards, would be increasingly rare, rather than near-norms.
    I was once told, and have never had it contradicted, that if a medieval peasant was transported to the 1930's he could have managed the vast majority of farm equipment, with the exception of the threshing machine.
    By the 1970's he would have been totally lost.
    My farmer grandfather, who died in 1936, wouldn't have a tractor on the farm.
    Homes that were built in the 1920's and 1930's (including council housing), came with gardens, because it was assumed that most people would want to grow fruit and vegetables. I imagine that only a small minority of the population would know how to do that now - so if we were hit by some appalling pandemic or war, or natural catastrophe that interrupted the supply of goods, we'd face massive starvation.

    And, if you look at GDP per head, in 1930, it's far closer to a medieval number than it is to today's number.
    Hence this famous graph

  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,404
    MaxPB said:

    I have to say the American left melting down over the Sydney Sweeney advert is quite funny to watch. She's brought being sexy in adverts back and it resulted in 14% increase in American Eagle's share price. It's almost as though sex and aspiration sells while ugly, dumpy models in adverts were turning people away.

    I'm not sure that's true. There are several people on TikTok screaming into camera and having nervous breakdowns, but I'm not sure they're "the American left" in any realistic sense. We have a real problem in realising that in social media with squillions of subscribers, you can find nutters on any given topic.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,565
    edited July 31
    Pulpstar said:

    Hold on, why are we considering giving Doctors (even more) whacking great pay rises if Boris' changes bought the whole of the rest of the world into fierce competition for places ?
    Not even getting the benefit of his nonsense reforms !

    Guess this explains why Gallowgate's other half is struggling to find a job though..

    The government has already said it’s looking at all these issues around jobs for resident doctors.

    The list of things ****ed up by the Tories is too long to do everything at once.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,538

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    I have to say the American left melting down over the Sydney Sweeney advert is quite funny to watch. She's brought being sexy in adverts back and it resulted in 14% increase in American Eagle's share price. It's almost as though sex and aspiration sells while ugly, dumpy models in adverts were turning people away.

    Its like the inverse Bud light...

    The thing is I think the criticism in the 2000s say of ultra stick thin models was fair. Sydney Sweeney is not that.
    It's the whole jeans/genes thing that's got them really riled up. It's absolutely brilliant marketing. A brand that was circling the drain is now the most talked about for the last week and in a very positive way among their target market of young women who are slim and buy premium jeans. Losing the purple hair genderless blob market won't even make a 1% hit to their revenue.
    Yes. It’s like they saw what happened to jaguar and thought - let’s do the opposite because jaguar’s rebrand was a disaster
    Jaguar saw that purple hair genderless blob market and decided they wanted a piece of that action.

    I actually think we're entering the age of normality again, companies are withdrawing from overt political propaganda, all of that rainbow nonsense is on its way out and they're all realising that having diversity departments/ERGs etc... are not only a waste of time, they're detracting from the core mission statement which is to make as much money for their shareholders and grow shareholder equity.
    A demographic famed for having £150k lying around for a new car.
    Perhaps they should have gone into manufacturing high-end skateboards?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,445
    kjh said:

    kinabalu said:

    Day out in the centre for me. Phone not nicked again. Always the way.

    Trouble is I bet you weren't drunk. Not a valid test then.

    I'm in tomorrow. I'll see how it goes. Knowing my luck it probably will get nicked then I will feel foolish. Heading over to @leons neck of the woods as well.
    Which is also my NOTW. Will look out for you.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,978
    kinabalu said:

    kjh said:

    kinabalu said:

    Day out in the centre for me. Phone not nicked again. Always the way.

    Trouble is I bet you weren't drunk. Not a valid test then.

    I'm in tomorrow. I'll see how it goes. Knowing my luck it probably will get nicked then I will feel foolish. Heading over to @leons neck of the woods as well.
    Which is also my NOTW. Will look out for you.
    I'll wear a white carnation and have a copy of the times under my arm
  • TresTres Posts: 2,971
    Looks like PB is v light on Doja Cat fans
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