Hannan on roaming charges: "Clegg made much of the fact that the EU is abolishing roaming charges for mobile phones. No more shocking bills when we upload our holiday snaps to Instagram or Tweet from Tuscany.
Except that, in order to make up the shortfall, the phone companies will need to charge more than they otherwise would in their general tariffs. In other words, the EU is obliging non-travellers to subsidise travellers.
It's hardly surprising that EU officials, MEPs and multi-national business executives favour the measure: it will benefit them enormously. Human nature being what it is, this makes them imagine that everyone else wants price regulation as much as they do. They genuinely can't see why taxing the majority to subsidise the minority is unpopular."
Arif Ansari of BBC North West reports that Joe Benton (Bootle) has lost the trigger ballot in the majority of ward branches. No mention of if the affiliates have already cast their vote.
The "trigger ballot" process is the standard reselection process for sitting Labour MPs. The MP should get the nomination from at least 50.1% of the CLP branches to be reselected. At this stage he's not up against anybody else...it's a simple "yes/no" to reselect the sitting MP.
If he doesn't get the support of majority of branches, the selection is opened to other contenders (and can't be an AWS).
Hannan on roaming charges: "Clegg made much of the fact that the EU is abolishing roaming charges for mobile phones. No more shocking bills when we upload our holiday snaps to Instagram or Tweet from Tuscany.
Except that, in order to make up the shortfall, the phone companies will need to charge more than they otherwise would in their general tariffs. In other words, the EU is obliging non-travellers to subsidise travellers.
It's hardly surprising that EU officials, MEPs and multi-national business executives favour the measure: it will benefit them enormously. Human nature being what it is, this makes them imagine that everyone else wants price regulation as much as they do. They genuinely can't see why taxing the majority to subsidise the minority is unpopular."
Agreed. As a strident eurosceptic, this was a genuinely great piece of legislation from the EU. As is the enshrining of net neutrality. I don't buy the Dan Hannan line about it being negative because the poor are travelling the rich: it's the poor students that can barely suffer the hit when they get unexpectedly stung by roaming charges, while the business class travellers just expense it all anyway. In addition, it improves market effectiveness by increasing transparency. Most people don't think about roaming charges when comparing phone plans, so it's a way for companies to squeeze customers without suffering the competitive dynamics of it. The ludicrously high costs for text messages is another one, although thankfully apps are now giving people a way to get round this.
If the EU was mainly about sensible reforms like this, I could become a supporter. Sadly most of its projects are foolish things like the Eurozone, unlimited migration and the Common Agricultural Policy.
@anotherDave Hannan's wrong. This is highly competitive market and the mobile networks will have to swallow most if not all off of the lost revenue.
Not to mention the fact that DG Competition will be watching the phone companies very closely for any indication of pricing collusion. Dan's going to have to take this one on the chin.
@anotherDave Hannan's wrong. This is highly competitive market and the mobile networks will have to swallow most if not all off of the lost revenue.
But this affects all operators, and hits all their margins. If some operators were affected, and some were not, then you'd have a stronger point. But as the same pressure is applied to each, then I think the average price for the stay-at-home European will rise.
[EDIT: admittedly, it's a market which has seen consistent falls in unit prices. So they may just fall more slowly than they otherwise would!]
Supermarkets are stonkingly competitive, but if the price of wholesale rice (say) rises, they all put their prices up to preserve the margin.
Yes, vote Van Rompuy for more bagatelles. Fantastic for those people not crippled by the recession and unable to spend months loafing about Europe, you know, the well off. Of course you can't vote for Van Rompuy, or anyone else that runs the shop.
@anotherDave Hannan's wrong. This is highly competitive market and the mobile networks will have to swallow most if not all off of the lost revenue.
But this affects all operators, and hits all their margins. If some operators were affected, and some were not, then you'd have a stronger point. But as the same pressure is applied to each, then I think the average price for the stay-at-home European will rise.
Bollocks. The viceral hatred of the EU is so pervasive that it impacts on people's critical faculties.
I bow to nobody in my disdain for the EU - but have to agree with OGH. This is simply a legislative transfer of value from phone companies to citizens. If stuff like this was all the EU did it would be easy to become a fan.
@anotherDave Hannan's wrong. This is highly competitive market and the mobile networks will have to swallow most if not all off of the lost revenue.
But this affects all operators, and hits all their margins. If some operators were affected, and some were not, then you'd have a stronger point. But as the same pressure is applied to each, then I think the average price for the stay-at-home European will rise.
Bollocks. The viceral hatred of the EU is so pervasive that it impacts on people's critical faculties.
Sad.
I think the EU is a net benefit to Britain; I'd vote to stay in. That you think I'm a rabid eurosceptic because I disagree with you is a little sad.
An impact on your critical faculties, one might say.
@anotherDave Hannan's wrong. This is highly competitive market and the mobile networks will have to swallow most if not all off of the lost revenue.
But this affects all operators, and hits all their margins. If some operators were affected, and some were not, then you'd have a stronger point. But as the same pressure is applied to each, then I think the average price for the stay-at-home European will rise.
Bollocks. The viceral hatred of the EU is so pervasive that it impacts on people's critical faculties.
Sad.
It's no different to the home based denigration of all things Tory or Fatcha, or Labour. We all have our nemesis to hate. This will benefit well off people who travel a lot. Whoopee. It's the tax cut before the election, and does not change the disgracefully undemocratic pile of cacka that is the EU. It's a bagatelle, like the boiler scrappage scheme, or free laptops
It will become universal, with apps on your phone like Skype, WhatsApp, Viber, SnapChat, the cost of international communications is essentially free overseas if you have access to wifi.
It will become universal, with apps on your phone like Skype, WhatsApp, Viber, SnapChat, the cost of international communications is essentially free overseas if you have access to wifi.
Quite. There is almost no need to pay roaming unless you're too lazy to find a wifi hotspot.
It will become universal, with apps on your phone like Skype, WhatsApp, Viber, SnapChat, the cost of international communications is essentially free overseas if you have access to wifi.
But you don't get wifi when you're walking about, thus it's not really mobile communication...
I've got an even better proposal (maybe they should keep this one up their sleeve for the next round of EU elections): Force mobile phone companies to pay a uniform EU-wide €10 a month to users, rather than charge them for using the service.
Should be popular, and benefits everyone, not just those OAPs who travel a lot.
It will become universal, with apps on your phone like Skype, WhatsApp, Viber, SnapChat, the cost of international communications is essentially free overseas if you have access to wifi.
But you don't get wifi when you're walking about, thus it's not really mobile communication...
Wait two minutes until you find wifi? Don't spend the entire time travelling texting people?
@anotherDave Hannan's wrong. This is highly competitive market and the mobile networks will have to swallow most if not all off of the lost revenue.
But this affects all operators, and hits all their margins. If some operators were affected, and some were not, then you'd have a stronger point. But as the same pressure is applied to each, then I think the average price for the stay-at-home European will rise.
Bollocks. The viceral hatred of the EU is so pervasive that it impacts on people's critical faculties.
Sad.
I think the EU is a net benefit to Britain; I'd vote to stay in. That you think I'm a rabid eurosceptic because I disagree with you is a little sad.
An impact on your critical faculties, one might say.
Meanwhile I'm a BOOer and I've applauded the new law. Patrick has done the same. Mike's point really doesn't work very well. As we have seen in the EU debates, Lib Dems have a certain framework of reality, and ignore the evidence when it doesn't match that framework.
Is this the right time to introduce the charger problem? Oh, okay then. The EU should legislate so all phones have to use a standard charger. Thoughts?
It will become universal, with apps on your phone like Skype, WhatsApp, Viber, SnapChat, the cost of international communications is essentially free overseas if you have access to wifi.
True dat, even when I was 18 months ago in the Islamic Republic of Mauritania, which is not on (or wasnt on) Vodafones world coverage list, I was able to contact, connect and entertain via wifi. Wasn't any in the desert though, they should do something about that.
It will become universal, with apps on your phone like Skype, WhatsApp, Viber, SnapChat, the cost of international communications is essentially free overseas if you have access to wifi.
But you don't get wifi when you're walking about, thus it's not really mobile communication...
Wait two minutes until you find wifi? Don't spend the entire time travelling texting people?
Gordon Bennett, this is a stretch of an argument! "What do you need a mobile phone for? Just wait a few minutes until you find a phone box!"
Is this the right time to introduce the charger problem? Oh, okay then. The EU should legislate so all phones have to use a standard charger. Thoughts?
So long as they follow Apple's lead, then I'm happy with that.
Is this the right time to introduce the charger problem? Oh, okay then. The EU should legislate so all phones have to use a standard charger. Thoughts?
Not sure I see the benefit? They all plug in, and whatever phone you have, you'll have the charger.
Is this the right time to introduce the charger problem? Oh, okay then. The EU should legislate so all phones have to use a standard charger. Thoughts?
I thought they'd already done this, but this really is the sort of thing that would happen through international standards anyway.
Is this the right time to introduce the charger problem? Oh, okay then. The EU should legislate so all phones have to use a standard charger. Thoughts?
@anotherDave Hannan's wrong. This is highly competitive market and the mobile networks will have to swallow most if not all off of the lost revenue.
But this affects all operators, and hits all their margins. If some operators were affected, and some were not, then you'd have a stronger point. But as the same pressure is applied to each, then I think the average price for the stay-at-home European will rise.
Bollocks. The viceral hatred of the EU is so pervasive that it impacts on people's critical faculties.
Sad.
Your overblown, viceral response to a simple and calmly argued point is the only think sad in this thread.
Is this the right time to introduce the charger problem? Oh, okay then. The EU should legislate so all phones have to use a standard charger. Thoughts?
Is this the right time to introduce the charger problem? Oh, okay then. The EU should legislate so all phones have to use a standard charger. Thoughts?
Great idea, but I think a higher priority is standardising socks. If only we had standard EU specifications for size and colour of socks, so that, for example, all black socks of a certain size were compatible, then we wouldn't all have to hunt around trying to figure out what happened to the companions for the ever-increasing collection of odd socks which always seem to emerge from the weekly wash. Think how many man-years of EU-wide effort could be saved!
@anotherDave Hannan's wrong. This is highly competitive market and the mobile networks will have to swallow most if not all off of the lost revenue.
But this affects all operators, and hits all their margins. If some operators were affected, and some were not, then you'd have a stronger point. But as the same pressure is applied to each, then I think the average price for the stay-at-home European will rise.
Bollocks. The viceral hatred of the EU is so pervasive that it impacts on people's critical faculties.
Sad.
I think the EU is a net benefit to Britain; I'd vote to stay in. That you think I'm a rabid eurosceptic because I disagree with you is a little sad.
An impact on your critical faculties, one might say.
Meanwhile I'm a BOOer and I've applauded the new law. Patrick has done the same. Mike's point really doesn't work very well. As we have seen in the EU debates, Lib Dems have a certain framework of reality, and ignore the evidence when it doesn't match that framework.
I travel quite a bit, so on a personal level I'm pleased with the change. I still think that companies will seek to maintain margins some other way, competition or not. As with every government-mandated change to the market, there are winners, and there are losers...
It will become universal, with apps on your phone like Skype, WhatsApp, Viber, SnapChat, the cost of international communications is essentially free overseas if you have access to wifi.
But you don't get wifi when you're walking about, thus it's not really mobile communication...
Wait two minutes until you find wifi? Don't spend the entire time travelling texting people?
Gordon Bennett, this is a stretch of an argument! "What do you need a mobile phone for? Just wait a few minutes until you find a phone box!"
Well, I guess so. I don't use my mobile for chatting or texting though to any great extent. I'm just trying to point out you don't have to rack up roaming charges. And from 2015 you won't. Just this once, everybody lives!
Is this the right time to introduce the charger problem? Oh, okay then. The EU should legislate so all phones have to use a standard charger. Thoughts?
Great idea, but I think a higher priority is standardising socks. If only we had standard EU specifications for size and colour of socks, so that, for example, all black socks of a certain size were compatible, then we wouldn't all have to hunt around trying to figure out what happened to the companions for the ever-increasing collection of odd socks which always seem to emerge from the weekly wash. Think how many man-years of EU-wide effort could be saved!
This seems like a good example of a vote where the balance of power mattered, which you were asking about a few threads back. Amelia Andersdotter (SE-Pirate) put up an amendment that seems to have got the entire liberal-left (Pirates, Greens, Socialists, Trots, Liberals) behind it: http://www.laquadrature.net/en/net-neutrality-a-great-step-forward-for-the-free-internet
After reading the thread and site owner's response to some cynicism of this development I am wondering if the site encourages debate or just wants endorsement of certain views? Anyway may I be so sad and pathetic as to say I am not jumping for joy at this change as I largely believe Hamman's points to be valid . Price fixing is generally bad and whilst this case is not the worst example of it, it surely is overblown in its significance to the general population as a whole (who do not do European travel every month) If Nick Clegg and others think this will make people love the EU then I'm afraid I do not agree
Nincompoop Nigel is disbanding UKIP in the wake of this change. 'Were done' he said in an emotional TV interview. 'Outrage at democratic deficiency and mass waste of public money cannot compete with slightly lower phone bills for all. Thank God they didn't offer everyone a space hopper, I'd have had to hand myself in to the police for wrong thinking all this time' he added, ruefully.
Will I be able to sign up with an operator in Latvia and use it exclusively in the UK at the Latvian rate? Or the same for a Latvian signing up to a UK operator, should the pricing work best the other way around?
Now that would open up competition and push down prices!
This seems like a good example of a vote where the balance of power mattered, which you were asking about a few threads back. Amelia Andersdotter (SE-Pirate) put up an amendment that seems to have got the entire liberal-left (Pirates, Greens, Socialists, Trots, Liberals) behind it: http://www.laquadrature.net/en/net-neutrality-a-great-step-forward-for-the-free-internet
Seems like a stretch, seeing that it was a 90%+ majority in the vote.
This seems like a good example of a vote where the balance of power mattered, which you were asking about a few threads back. Amelia Andersdotter (SE-Pirate) put up an amendment that seems to have got the entire liberal-left (Pirates, Greens, Socialists, Trots, Liberals) behind it: http://www.laquadrature.net/en/net-neutrality-a-great-step-forward-for-the-free-internet
Seems like a stretch, seeing that it was a 90%+ majority in the vote.
I mean the amendment that took out all the telecom-sponsored loopholes, not the whole motion.
It will become universal, with apps on your phone like Skype, WhatsApp, Viber, SnapChat, the cost of international communications is essentially free overseas if you have access to wifi.
Quite. There is almost no need to pay roaming unless you're too lazy to find a wifi hotspot.
It is probably down to my incompetence but I seldom get a good Wifi hotspot even in the City. As for leaving my phone switched onto Wifi, forget it, the battery don't last long enough and I am forced to beg the use of a phone from a fellow traveller to call for a cab to meet me at the station on the way home.
I am sure mobile data is a wonderful thing but it is not something I have ever made work for me. Can I be alone in this? I doubt it.
It will become universal, with apps on your phone like Skype, WhatsApp, Viber, SnapChat, the cost of international communications is essentially free overseas if you have access to wifi.
Quite. There is almost no need to pay roaming unless you're too lazy to find a wifi hotspot.
It is probably down to my incompetence but I seldom get a good Wifi hotspot even in the City. As for leaving my phone switched onto Wifi, forget it, the battery don't last long enough and I am forced to beg the use of a phone from a fellow traveller to call for a cab to meet me at the station on the way home.
I am sure mobile data is a wonderful thing but it is not something I have ever made work for me. Can I be alone in this? I doubt it.
It will become universal, with apps on your phone like Skype, WhatsApp, Viber, SnapChat, the cost of international communications is essentially free overseas if you have access to wifi.
Quite. There is almost no need to pay roaming unless you're too lazy to find a wifi hotspot.
It is probably down to my incompetence but I seldom get a good Wifi hotspot even in the City. As for leaving my phone switched onto Wifi, forget it, the battery don't last long enough and I am forced to beg the use of a phone from a fellow traveller to call for a cab to meet me at the station on the way home.
I am sure mobile data is a wonderful thing but it is not something I have ever made work for me. Can I be alone in this? I doubt it.
I only use mobile data for reading pb while travelling...
This seems like a good example of a vote where the balance of power mattered, which you were asking about a few threads back. Amelia Andersdotter (SE-Pirate) put up an amendment that seems to have got the entire liberal-left (Pirates, Greens, Socialists, Trots, Liberals) behind it: http://www.laquadrature.net/en/net-neutrality-a-great-step-forward-for-the-free-internet
Seems like a stretch, seeing that it was a 90%+ majority in the vote.
I mean the amendment that took out all the loopholes, not the whole motion.
Do you know what the numbers for the vote on that was?
Is this the right time to introduce the charger problem? Oh, okay then. The EU should legislate so all phones have to use a standard charger. Thoughts?
Great idea, but I think a higher priority is standardising socks. If only we had standard EU specifications for size and colour of socks, so that, for example, all black socks of a certain size were compatible, then we wouldn't all have to hunt around trying to figure out what happened to the companions for the ever-increasing collection of odd socks which always seem to emerge from the weekly wash. Think how many man-years of EU-wide effort could be saved!
According to that great Europhile Eddie Izzard lost socks turn into wire coathangers.
It will become universal, with apps on your phone like Skype, WhatsApp, Viber, SnapChat, the cost of international communications is essentially free overseas if you have access to wifi.
Quite. There is almost no need to pay roaming unless you're too lazy to find a wifi hotspot.
It is probably down to my incompetence but I seldom get a good Wifi hotspot even in the City. As for leaving my phone switched onto Wifi, forget it, the battery don't last long enough and I am forced to beg the use of a phone from a fellow traveller to call for a cab to meet me at the station on the way home.
I am sure mobile data is a wonderful thing but it is not something I have ever made work for me. Can I be alone in this? I doubt it.
I only use mobile data for reading pb while travelling...
There's also the case that public Wifi is a huge security risk.
This seems like a good example of a vote where the balance of power mattered, which you were asking about a few threads back. Amelia Andersdotter (SE-Pirate) put up an amendment that seems to have got the entire liberal-left (Pirates, Greens, Socialists, Trots, Liberals) behind it: http://www.laquadrature.net/en/net-neutrality-a-great-step-forward-for-the-free-internet
Seems like a stretch, seeing that it was a 90%+ majority in the vote.
I mean the amendment that took out all the loopholes, not the whole motion.
Do you know what the numbers for the vote on that was?
No, but from the write-ups I'm seeing it seems to be S&D + Greens/EFA + GUE/NGL + ALDE.
It will become universal, with apps on your phone like Skype, WhatsApp, Viber, SnapChat, the cost of international communications is essentially free overseas if you have access to wifi.
Quite. There is almost no need to pay roaming unless you're too lazy to find a wifi hotspot.
It is probably down to my incompetence but I seldom get a good Wifi hotspot even in the City. As for leaving my phone switched onto Wifi, forget it, the battery don't last long enough and I am forced to beg the use of a phone from a fellow traveller to call for a cab to meet me at the station on the way home.
I am sure mobile data is a wonderful thing but it is not something I have ever made work for me. Can I be alone in this? I doubt it.
I only use mobile data for reading pb while travelling...
There's also the case that public Wifi is a huge security risk.
Not if it's log in required, it's just an extension of building based wifi
Will I be able to sign up with an operator in Latvia and use it exclusively in the UK at the Latvian rate? Or the same for a Latvian signing up to a UK operator, should the pricing work best the other way around?
Now that would open up competition and push down prices!
If the EU wants to wrap me in it caresses, then it could try getting a set of accounts that can be signed off.
Clearing up the fraud systemic within the EU would gave every one of the citizens within its borders free mobile phone usage for life. But let's face it, eyes are closed to the fraud as the price required to make the EU palatable.
Will I be able to sign up with an operator in Latvia and use it exclusively in the UK at the Latvian rate? Or the same for a Latvian signing up to a UK operator, should the pricing work best the other way around?
Now that would open up competition and push down prices!
Why would you want to go to Latvia?
It's full of Nazi Homophobes.
Ah, but they're Nazi Homophobes with cheap phone deals. You can forgive a lot for that.
There's something intensely exciting about going walking in Andalucia and watching premiership footie on a giant TV screen on the same day.
And yet the archaic rules and Premier League/Sky/BT stitch up means you can't do it here at 3pm on a Saturday. Only in the rest of the EU, who have no such qualms about their own games.
If the EU wants to wrap me in it caresses, then it could try getting a set of accounts that can be signed off.
Clearing up the fraud systemic within the EU would gave every one of the citizens within its borders free mobile phone usage for life. But let's face it, eyes are closed to the fraud as the price required to make the EU palatable.
Their eyes aren't closed, they put it in the public report every time that some of the member states aren't properly accounting for all the money they're getting. If you want their rules properly enforced you need to give them the power to enforce them.
Reposting this from the previous thread, because I believe this may have the scope to allow highly targeted and popular tax cuts ahead of the next election:
Labour have been murmuring about slashing student tuition fees in their manifesto. For example, Osborne could shoot this fox - and give the LibDems a lifeline on this toxic topic for them.
Just seem Paddypower's prices for EU seats for the various parties .Surely the lib dems will get at least 2 seats at 5/6?
why surely?
Well it just looks so low. I think they only got about 14% of the vote last euros and managed to get loads more seats than 2. If the BNP could get 2 last time ,I bet the lib dems can!!
A man received the following text from his neighbour:
I am so sorry Bob. I've been riddled with guilt and I have to confess. I have been tapping your wife, day and night when you're not around.
In fact, more than you. I'm not getting any at home, but that's no excuse. I can no longer live with the guilt and I hope you will accept my sincerest apology with my promise that it won't happen again.
The man, anguished and betrayed, went into his bedroom, grabbed his gun, and without a word, shot his wife and killed her.
A man received the following text from his neighbour:
I am so sorry Bob. I've been riddled with guilt and I have to confess. I have been tapping your wife, day and night when you're not around.
In fact, more than you. I'm not getting any at home, but that's no excuse. I can no longer live with the guilt and I hope you will accept my sincerest apology with my promise that it won't happen again.
The man, anguished and betrayed, went into his bedroom, grabbed his gun, and without a word, shot his wife and killed her.
A few moments later, a second text came in:
Damn auto-correct. I meant "wifi", not "wife".
Wasn't there a Jonathan Creek mystery a bit like this ? Involved being killed by a comma from memory!
If you want their rules properly enforced you need to give them the power to enforce them.
The EU has never been slow at giving itself powers. You wonder why they haven't in this instance. Paint me cynical, but...
The EU institutions aren't able to gain power unless the member states agree, usually through an unbelievably slow and laborious treaty process. Failing that they have to at least fail to disagree, as with the ECB's coup d'état where it invented the ability for itself to police national budgets and print money to bail out countries that stuck with the program. The EU bureaucracy would love to have the ability to slap around member states for failing to account for the way they're spending its money, and the reason they're reduced to writing a report about it instead is that the member states won't let them do it.
A man received the following text from his neighbour:
I am so sorry Bob. I've been riddled with guilt and I have to confess. I have been tapping your wife, day and night when you're not around.
In fact, more than you. I'm not getting any at home, but that's no excuse. I can no longer live with the guilt and I hope you will accept my sincerest apology with my promise that it won't happen again.
The man, anguished and betrayed, went into his bedroom, grabbed his gun, and without a word, shot his wife and killed her.
A few moments later, a second text came in:
Damn auto-correct. I meant "wifi", not "wife".
Wasn't there a Jonathan Creek mystery a bit like this ? Involved being killed by a comma from memory!
Be careful, or he will explain how you need to help Uncle Jack off his horse.
'I believe this may have the scope to allow highly targeted and popular tax cuts ahead of the next election'
Amazing,another £9 billion raised by cutting tax,maybe even Ed will take note and not continue down the Hollande tax route,problem is his party wouldn't let him.
It will become universal, with apps on your phone like Skype, WhatsApp, Viber, SnapChat, the cost of international communications is essentially free overseas if you have access to wifi.
Quite. There is almost no need to pay roaming unless you're too lazy to find a wifi hotspot.
It is probably down to my incompetence but I seldom get a good Wifi hotspot even in the City. As for leaving my phone switched onto Wifi, forget it, the battery don't last long enough and I am forced to beg the use of a phone from a fellow traveller to call for a cab to meet me at the station on the way home.
I am sure mobile data is a wonderful thing but it is not something I have ever made work for me. Can I be alone in this? I doubt it.
Get yourself a power monkey. And keep charged up.
Until a few moments ago I had no idea what a Power Monkey was. I think I'd best spend the rest of the afternoon looking for a nice nursing home, I am clearly so far behind that I'll never catch up with modern life.
Just seem Paddypower's prices for EU seats for the various parties .Surely the lib dems will get at least 2 seats at 5/6?
why surely?
Well it just looks so low. I think they only got about 14% of the vote last euros and managed to get loads more seats than 2. If the BNP could get 2 last time ,I bet the lib dems can!!
There's a tipping point at c.10% or so of the overall vote. Stay above it, and you should be able to win a seat in most regions. Fall below it, and you can get wiped out.
So the Roaming change comes in force at the end of 2015. Why so long a wait? It's something like Cammos promises of referendums on the EU, so far in the future that the promise can, and I believe, will be broken with impunity.
It won't make the slightest difference to the outcome of the EU elections in May.
Just seem Paddypower's prices for EU seats for the various parties .Surely the lib dems will get at least 2 seats at 5/6?
why surely?
Well it just looks so low. I think they only got about 14% of the vote last euros and managed to get loads more seats than 2. If the BNP could get 2 last time ,I bet the lib dems can!!
I'd look a little more closely at the electoral system, if I were you, in particular at the relative magnitude of the parties last time, compared to this time...
» show previous quotes Farage could have taken that attitude but he took on Clegg and is reaping a big win.
He who dares wins - and Eck isn't daring - not like Nigel.
Difference is Farage is the outsider with no government position so needs anything to get on the stage. Salmond is the First Minister why would he want to debate with an obscure failed labour back bencher. Totally different position , he will wait till Cameron is shown to be a complete fake and coward and in the end wipe the floor with Cameron's monkey.
It will become universal, with apps on your phone like Skype, WhatsApp, Viber, SnapChat, the cost of international communications is essentially free overseas if you have access to wifi.
Quite. There is almost no need to pay roaming unless you're too lazy to find a wifi hotspot.
It is probably down to my incompetence but I seldom get a good Wifi hotspot even in the City. As for leaving my phone switched onto Wifi, forget it, the battery don't last long enough and I am forced to beg the use of a phone from a fellow traveller to call for a cab to meet me at the station on the way home.
I am sure mobile data is a wonderful thing but it is not something I have ever made work for me. Can I be alone in this? I doubt it.
Get yourself a power monkey. And keep charged up.
Until a few moments ago I had no idea what a Power Monkey was. I think I'd best spend the rest of the afternoon looking for a nice nursing home, I am clearly so far behind that I'll never catch up with modern life.
I wouldn't worry. We were discussing eating monkeys the other day, not to mention haddock etc. (which have some connection with F1 racing which escapes me, so I can sympathise).
I'm surprised nobody has commented on how this kills off another Scottish indy scare story, by the way ("you Jocks can't afford indy - think of the roaming charges if you try to phone your granny in Basingstoke!").
If the EU wants to wrap me in it caresses, then it could try getting a set of accounts that can be signed off.
Clearing up the fraud systemic within the EU would gave every one of the citizens within its borders free mobile phone usage for life. But let's face it, eyes are closed to the fraud as the price required to make the EU palatable.
Their eyes aren't closed, they put it in the public report every time that some of the member states aren't properly accounting for all the money they're getting. If you want their rules properly enforced you need to give them the power to enforce them.
A pretty easy way to enforce it would be to cut off money to states that aren't accounting for the missing money. But then they'd lose the grease that keeps the whole machine running...
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"Clegg made much of the fact that the EU is abolishing roaming charges for mobile phones. No more shocking bills when we upload our holiday snaps to Instagram or Tweet from Tuscany.
Except that, in order to make up the shortfall, the phone companies will need to charge more than they otherwise would in their general tariffs. In other words, the EU is obliging non-travellers to subsidise travellers.
It's hardly surprising that EU officials, MEPs and multi-national business executives favour the measure: it will benefit them enormously. Human nature being what it is, this makes them imagine that everyone else wants price regulation as much as they do. They genuinely can't see why taxing the majority to subsidise the minority is unpopular."
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100265921/the-margin-of-nigel-farages-win-was-game-changing/
No mention of if the affiliates have already cast their vote.
The "trigger ballot" process is the standard reselection process for sitting Labour MPs. The MP should get the nomination from at least 50.1% of the CLP branches to be reselected. At this stage he's not up against anybody else...it's a simple "yes/no" to reselect the sitting MP.
If he doesn't get the support of majority of branches, the selection is opened to other contenders (and can't be an AWS).
Benton is about 800 years old
They're making our point for us now!
Hannan's wrong. This is highly competitive market and the mobile networks will have to swallow most if not all off of the lost revenue.
If the EU was mainly about sensible reforms like this, I could become a supporter. Sadly most of its projects are foolish things like the Eurozone, unlimited migration and the Common Agricultural Policy.
[EDIT: admittedly, it's a market which has seen consistent falls in unit prices. So they may just fall more slowly than they otherwise would!]
Supermarkets are stonkingly competitive, but if the price of wholesale rice (say) rises, they all put their prices up to preserve the margin.
Of course you can't vote for Van Rompuy, or anyone else that runs the shop.
I bet that next April I'll do even better. That's the nature of the mobile market.
Sad.
An impact on your critical faculties, one might say.
I shall change my text alert tone from Never Going to Give You Up to Ode to Joy.
We all have our nemesis to hate.
This will benefit well off people who travel a lot. Whoopee. It's the tax cut before the election, and does not change the disgracefully undemocratic pile of cacka that is the EU.
It's a bagatelle, like the boiler scrappage scheme, or free laptops
Should be popular, and benefits everyone, not just those OAPs who travel a lot.
Oh, okay then. The EU should legislate so all phones have to use a standard charger.
Thoughts?
Wasn't any in the desert though, they should do something about that.
Virgin - unlimited data £15pcm. That's 3G however.
Very competitive market and Hannan's laughable squirming fools no-one.
Unless you are still under contract they saw you coming...
And from 2015 you won't. Just this once, everybody lives!
WWHVRD?
http://www.laquadrature.net/en/net-neutrality-a-great-step-forward-for-the-free-internet
Anyway may I be so sad and pathetic as to say I am not jumping for joy at this change as I largely believe Hamman's points to be valid .
Price fixing is generally bad and whilst this case is not the worst example of it, it surely is overblown in its significance to the general population as a whole (who do not do European travel every month)
If Nick Clegg and others think this will make people love the EU then I'm afraid I do not agree
Will I be able to sign up with an operator in Latvia and use it exclusively in the UK at the Latvian rate? Or the same for a Latvian signing up to a UK operator, should the pricing work best the other way around?
Now that would open up competition and push down prices!
I am sure mobile data is a wonderful thing but it is not something I have ever made work for me. Can I be alone in this? I doubt it.
It's full of Nazi Homophobes.
There's something intensely exciting about going walking in Andalucia and watching premiership footie on a giant TV screen on the same day.
Clearing up the fraud systemic within the EU would gave every one of the citizens within its borders free mobile phone usage for life. But let's face it, eyes are closed to the fraud as the price required to make the EU palatable.
Unless you know the right pubs and can speak a bit of German....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2595611/Cut-tax-rate-sees-revenue-climb-9billion-Amount-paid-wealthiest-soared-50p-rate-reduced.html
Labour have been murmuring about slashing student tuition fees in their manifesto. For example, Osborne could shoot this fox - and give the LibDems a lifeline on this toxic topic for them.
https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/6865827584/h8D6C7612/
I am so sorry Bob. I've been riddled with guilt and I have to confess. I have been tapping your wife, day and night when you're not around.
In fact, more than you. I'm not getting any at home, but that's no excuse. I can no longer live with the guilt and I hope you will accept my sincerest apology with my promise that it won't happen again.
The man, anguished and betrayed, went into his bedroom, grabbed his gun, and without a word, shot his wife and killed her.
A few moments later, a second text came in:
Damn auto-correct. I meant "wifi", not "wife".
Interesting.
'I believe this may have the scope to allow highly targeted and popular tax cuts ahead of the next election'
Amazing,another £9 billion raised by cutting tax,maybe even Ed will take note and not continue down the Hollande tax route,problem is his party wouldn't let him.
Set to give farage a boost before the euros....goodness.
It's something like Cammos promises of referendums on the EU, so far in the future that the promise can, and I believe, will be broken with impunity.
It won't make the slightest difference to the outcome of the EU elections in May.
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Farage could have taken that attitude but he took on Clegg and is reaping a big win.
He who dares wins - and Eck isn't daring - not like Nigel.
Difference is Farage is the outsider with no government position so needs anything to get on the stage. Salmond is the First Minister why would he want to debate with an obscure failed labour back bencher.
Totally different position , he will wait till Cameron is shown to be a complete fake and coward and in the end wipe the floor with Cameron's monkey.
I'm surprised nobody has commented on how this kills off another Scottish indy scare story, by the way ("you Jocks can't afford indy - think of the roaming charges if you try to phone your granny in Basingstoke!").
Basically, everywhere (UK, Ireland, Germany, US, Spain, etc. etc.) except Italy is seeing economic growth picking up at the moment.