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(Via @paulwaugh) Really good new for those who use their smartphones in other EU countries
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  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    edited April 2014
    Hannan on roaming charges:
    "Clegg made much of the fact that the EU is abolishing roaming charges for mobile phones. No more shocking bills when we upload our holiday snaps to Instagram or Tweet from Tuscany.

    Except that, in order to make up the shortfall, the phone companies will need to charge more than they otherwise would in their general tariffs. In other words, the EU is obliging non-travellers to subsidise travellers.

    It's hardly surprising that EU officials, MEPs and multi-national business executives favour the measure: it will benefit them enormously. Human nature being what it is, this makes them imagine that everyone else wants price regulation as much as they do. They genuinely can't see why taxing the majority to subsidise the minority is unpopular."

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100265921/the-margin-of-nigel-farages-win-was-game-changing/
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Arif Ansari of BBC North West reports that Joe Benton (Bootle) has lost the trigger ballot in the majority of ward branches.
    No mention of if the affiliates have already cast their vote.

    The "trigger ballot" process is the standard reselection process for sitting Labour MPs. The MP should get the nomination from at least 50.1% of the CLP branches to be reselected. At this stage he's not up against anybody else...it's a simple "yes/no" to reselect the sitting MP.

    If he doesn't get the support of majority of branches, the selection is opened to other contenders (and can't be an AWS).

    Benton is about 800 years old
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Hannan on roaming charges:
    "Clegg made much of the fact that the EU is abolishing roaming charges for mobile phones. No more shocking bills when we upload our holiday snaps to Instagram or Tweet from Tuscany.

    Except that, in order to make up the shortfall, the phone companies will need to charge more than they otherwise would in their general tariffs. In other words, the EU is obliging non-travellers to subsidise travellers.

    It's hardly surprising that EU officials, MEPs and multi-national business executives favour the measure: it will benefit them enormously. Human nature being what it is, this makes them imagine that everyone else wants price regulation as much as they do. They genuinely can't see why taxing the majority to subsidise the minority is unpopular."

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100265921/the-margin-of-nigel-farages-win-was-game-changing/

    Great news if you are someone who travels around Europe a lot on business!

    They're making our point for us now!
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    @anotherDave
    Hannan's wrong. This is highly competitive market and the mobile networks will have to swallow most if not all off of the lost revenue.



  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Agreed. As a strident eurosceptic, this was a genuinely great piece of legislation from the EU. As is the enshrining of net neutrality. I don't buy the Dan Hannan line about it being negative because the poor are travelling the rich: it's the poor students that can barely suffer the hit when they get unexpectedly stung by roaming charges, while the business class travellers just expense it all anyway. In addition, it improves market effectiveness by increasing transparency. Most people don't think about roaming charges when comparing phone plans, so it's a way for companies to squeeze customers without suffering the competitive dynamics of it. The ludicrously high costs for text messages is another one, although thankfully apps are now giving people a way to get round this.

    If the EU was mainly about sensible reforms like this, I could become a supporter. Sadly most of its projects are foolish things like the Eurozone, unlimited migration and the Common Agricultural Policy.
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042
    Anyone know how each party's MEPs voted?
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,668

    @anotherDave
    Hannan's wrong. This is highly competitive market and the mobile networks will have to swallow most if not all off of the lost revenue.

    Not to mention the fact that DG Competition will be watching the phone companies very closely for any indication of pricing collusion. Dan's going to have to take this one on the chin.

  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited April 2014

    @anotherDave
    Hannan's wrong. This is highly competitive market and the mobile networks will have to swallow most if not all off of the lost revenue.

    But this affects all operators, and hits all their margins. If some operators were affected, and some were not, then you'd have a stronger point. But as the same pressure is applied to each, then I think the average price for the stay-at-home European will rise.

    [EDIT: admittedly, it's a market which has seen consistent falls in unit prices. So they may just fall more slowly than they otherwise would!]

    Supermarkets are stonkingly competitive, but if the price of wholesale rice (say) rises, they all put their prices up to preserve the margin.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Yes, vote Van Rompuy for more bagatelles. Fantastic for those people not crippled by the recession and unable to spend months loafing about Europe, you know, the well off.
    Of course you can't vote for Van Rompuy, or anyone else that runs the shop.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    edited April 2014
    I've just agreed a new mobile contract today. 2,000 minutes, 5,000 texts + 4gb of 4G data for £17.50 pm including VAT.

    I bet that next April I'll do even better. That's the nature of the mobile market.

  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    Anorak said:

    @anotherDave
    Hannan's wrong. This is highly competitive market and the mobile networks will have to swallow most if not all off of the lost revenue.

    But this affects all operators, and hits all their margins. If some operators were affected, and some were not, then you'd have a stronger point. But as the same pressure is applied to each, then I think the average price for the stay-at-home European will rise.
    Bollocks. The viceral hatred of the EU is so pervasive that it impacts on people's critical faculties.

    Sad.

  • I bow to nobody in my disdain for the EU - but have to agree with OGH. This is simply a legislative transfer of value from phone companies to citizens. If stuff like this was all the EU did it would be easy to become a fan.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited April 2014

    Anorak said:

    @anotherDave
    Hannan's wrong. This is highly competitive market and the mobile networks will have to swallow most if not all off of the lost revenue.

    But this affects all operators, and hits all their margins. If some operators were affected, and some were not, then you'd have a stronger point. But as the same pressure is applied to each, then I think the average price for the stay-at-home European will rise.
    Bollocks. The viceral hatred of the EU is so pervasive that it impacts on people's critical faculties.

    Sad.
    I think the EU is a net benefit to Britain; I'd vote to stay in. That you think I'm a rabid eurosceptic because I disagree with you is a little sad.

    An impact on your critical faculties, one might say.
  • Huzzah for the European Union.

    I shall change my text alert tone from Never Going to Give You Up to Ode to Joy.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    Anorak said:

    @anotherDave
    Hannan's wrong. This is highly competitive market and the mobile networks will have to swallow most if not all off of the lost revenue.

    But this affects all operators, and hits all their margins. If some operators were affected, and some were not, then you'd have a stronger point. But as the same pressure is applied to each, then I think the average price for the stay-at-home European will rise.
    Bollocks. The viceral hatred of the EU is so pervasive that it impacts on people's critical faculties.

    Sad.

    It's no different to the home based denigration of all things Tory or Fatcha, or Labour.
    We all have our nemesis to hate.
    This will benefit well off people who travel a lot. Whoopee. It's the tax cut before the election, and does not change the disgracefully undemocratic pile of cacka that is the EU.
    It's a bagatelle, like the boiler scrappage scheme, or free laptops
  • I've just agreed a new mobile contract today. 2,000 minutes, 5,000 texts + 4gb of 4G data for £17.50 pm including VAT.

    I bet that next April I'll do even better. That's the nature of the mobile market.

    Bargain, I'm paying £52 a month for unlimited minutes, texts and 20 GB of 4G Data.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,668
    It was MEPs that voted this through today, btw. Handy timing!!
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    I've just agreed a new mobile contract today. 2,000 minutes, 5,000 texts + 4gb of 4G data for £17.50 pm including VAT.

    I bet that next April I'll do even better. That's the nature of the mobile market.

    Mike Smithson - "Gas Bagging Here"

  • It will become universal, with apps on your phone like Skype, WhatsApp, Viber, SnapChat, the cost of international communications is essentially free overseas if you have access to wifi.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    Huzzah for the European Union.

    I shall change my text alert tone from Never Going to Give You Up to Ode to Joy.

    And you shall stand ven it to you plays

  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    It will become universal, with apps on your phone like Skype, WhatsApp, Viber, SnapChat, the cost of international communications is essentially free overseas if you have access to wifi.

    Quite. There is almost no need to pay roaming unless you're too lazy to find a wifi hotspot.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    It will become universal, with apps on your phone like Skype, WhatsApp, Viber, SnapChat, the cost of international communications is essentially free overseas if you have access to wifi.

    But you don't get wifi when you're walking about, thus it's not really mobile communication...
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited April 2014
    I've got an even better proposal (maybe they should keep this one up their sleeve for the next round of EU elections): Force mobile phone companies to pay a uniform EU-wide €10 a month to users, rather than charge them for using the service.

    Should be popular, and benefits everyone, not just those OAPs who travel a lot.
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    534 MEPs in favour, 25 against
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Socrates said:

    It will become universal, with apps on your phone like Skype, WhatsApp, Viber, SnapChat, the cost of international communications is essentially free overseas if you have access to wifi.

    But you don't get wifi when you're walking about, thus it's not really mobile communication...
    Wait two minutes until you find wifi? Don't spend the entire time travelling texting people?
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    edited April 2014
    Anorak said:

    Anorak said:

    @anotherDave
    Hannan's wrong. This is highly competitive market and the mobile networks will have to swallow most if not all off of the lost revenue.

    But this affects all operators, and hits all their margins. If some operators were affected, and some were not, then you'd have a stronger point. But as the same pressure is applied to each, then I think the average price for the stay-at-home European will rise.
    Bollocks. The viceral hatred of the EU is so pervasive that it impacts on people's critical faculties.

    Sad.
    I think the EU is a net benefit to Britain; I'd vote to stay in. That you think I'm a rabid eurosceptic because I disagree with you is a little sad.

    An impact on your critical faculties, one might say.
    Meanwhile I'm a BOOer and I've applauded the new law. Patrick has done the same. Mike's point really doesn't work very well. As we have seen in the EU debates, Lib Dems have a certain framework of reality, and ignore the evidence when it doesn't match that framework.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    It's quite galling they've done something that isn't outright evil. Someone has been giving them Mandelsonian training in duplicity.
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    Is this the right time to introduce the charger problem?
    Oh, okay then. The EU should legislate so all phones have to use a standard charger.
    Thoughts?
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    edited April 2014

    It will become universal, with apps on your phone like Skype, WhatsApp, Viber, SnapChat, the cost of international communications is essentially free overseas if you have access to wifi.

    True dat, even when I was 18 months ago in the Islamic Republic of Mauritania, which is not on (or wasnt on) Vodafones world coverage list, I was able to contact, connect and entertain via wifi.
    Wasn't any in the desert though, they should do something about that.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    Socrates said:

    It will become universal, with apps on your phone like Skype, WhatsApp, Viber, SnapChat, the cost of international communications is essentially free overseas if you have access to wifi.

    But you don't get wifi when you're walking about, thus it's not really mobile communication...
    Wait two minutes until you find wifi? Don't spend the entire time travelling texting people?
    Gordon Bennett, this is a stretch of an argument! "What do you need a mobile phone for? Just wait a few minutes until you find a phone box!"
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    @Mike

    Virgin - unlimited data £15pcm. That's 3G however.
    Very competitive market and Hannan's laughable squirming fools no-one.
  • BobaFett said:

    Is this the right time to introduce the charger problem?
    Oh, okay then. The EU should legislate so all phones have to use a standard charger.
    Thoughts?

    So long as they follow Apple's lead, then I'm happy with that.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    I've just agreed a new mobile contract today. 2,000 minutes, 5,000 texts + 4gb of 4G data for £17.50 pm including VAT.

    I bet that next April I'll do even better. That's the nature of the mobile market.

    WTF? I pay £8.50 pcm for mine... admitted only 1000 minutes and 1000 texts, but still more than enough
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    BobaFett said:

    Is this the right time to introduce the charger problem?
    Oh, okay then. The EU should legislate so all phones have to use a standard charger.
    Thoughts?

    Not sure I see the benefit? They all plug in, and whatever phone you have, you'll have the charger.

  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    @TSE

    Unless you are still under contract they saw you coming...
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    BobaFett said:

    Is this the right time to introduce the charger problem?
    Oh, okay then. The EU should legislate so all phones have to use a standard charger.
    Thoughts?

    I thought they'd already done this, but this really is the sort of thing that would happen through international standards anyway.
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    BobaFett said:

    Is this the right time to introduce the charger problem?
    Oh, okay then. The EU should legislate so all phones have to use a standard charger.
    Thoughts?

    Many do now with USB charging capabilities.
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,591

    Anorak said:

    @anotherDave
    Hannan's wrong. This is highly competitive market and the mobile networks will have to swallow most if not all off of the lost revenue.

    But this affects all operators, and hits all their margins. If some operators were affected, and some were not, then you'd have a stronger point. But as the same pressure is applied to each, then I think the average price for the stay-at-home European will rise.
    Bollocks. The viceral hatred of the EU is so pervasive that it impacts on people's critical faculties.

    Sad.

    Your overblown, viceral response to a simple and calmly argued point is the only think sad in this thread.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    BobaFett said:

    Is this the right time to introduce the charger problem?
    Oh, okay then. The EU should legislate so all phones have to use a standard charger.
    Thoughts?

    There is going to be a common charger. See http://www.engadget.com/2014/03/14/europe-votes-for-common-charger-law/


  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited April 2014
    BobaFett said:

    Is this the right time to introduce the charger problem?
    Oh, okay then. The EU should legislate so all phones have to use a standard charger.
    Thoughts?

    Great idea, but I think a higher priority is standardising socks. If only we had standard EU specifications for size and colour of socks, so that, for example, all black socks of a certain size were compatible, then we wouldn't all have to hunt around trying to figure out what happened to the companions for the ever-increasing collection of odd socks which always seem to emerge from the weekly wash. Think how many man-years of EU-wide effort could be saved!
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited April 2014
    Socrates said:

    Anorak said:

    Anorak said:

    @anotherDave
    Hannan's wrong. This is highly competitive market and the mobile networks will have to swallow most if not all off of the lost revenue.

    But this affects all operators, and hits all their margins. If some operators were affected, and some were not, then you'd have a stronger point. But as the same pressure is applied to each, then I think the average price for the stay-at-home European will rise.
    Bollocks. The viceral hatred of the EU is so pervasive that it impacts on people's critical faculties.

    Sad.
    I think the EU is a net benefit to Britain; I'd vote to stay in. That you think I'm a rabid eurosceptic because I disagree with you is a little sad.

    An impact on your critical faculties, one might say.
    Meanwhile I'm a BOOer and I've applauded the new law. Patrick has done the same. Mike's point really doesn't work very well. As we have seen in the EU debates, Lib Dems have a certain framework of reality, and ignore the evidence when it doesn't match that framework.
    I travel quite a bit, so on a personal level I'm pleased with the change. I still think that companies will seek to maintain margins some other way, competition or not. As with every government-mandated change to the market, there are winners, and there are losers...
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    edited April 2014
    Socrates said:

    Socrates said:

    It will become universal, with apps on your phone like Skype, WhatsApp, Viber, SnapChat, the cost of international communications is essentially free overseas if you have access to wifi.

    But you don't get wifi when you're walking about, thus it's not really mobile communication...
    Wait two minutes until you find wifi? Don't spend the entire time travelling texting people?
    Gordon Bennett, this is a stretch of an argument! "What do you need a mobile phone for? Just wait a few minutes until you find a phone box!"
    Well, I guess so. I don't use my mobile for chatting or texting though to any great extent. I'm just trying to point out you don't have to rack up roaming charges.
    And from 2015 you won't. Just this once, everybody lives!
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    BobaFett said:

    Is this the right time to introduce the charger problem?
    Oh, okay then. The EU should legislate so all phones have to use a standard charger.
    Thoughts?

    Great idea, but I think a higher priority is standardising socks. If only we had standard EU specifications for size and colour of socks, so that, for example, all black socks of a certain size were compatible, then we wouldn't all have to hunt around trying to figure out what happened to the companions for the ever-increasing collection of odd socks which always seem to emerge from the weekly wash. Think how many man-years of EU-wide effort could be saved!
    Standardise votes? That seems vital.
    WWHVRD?
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    Socrates said:

    As is the enshrining of net neutrality.

    This seems like a good example of a vote where the balance of power mattered, which you were asking about a few threads back. Amelia Andersdotter (SE-Pirate) put up an amendment that seems to have got the entire liberal-left (Pirates, Greens, Socialists, Trots, Liberals) behind it:
    http://www.laquadrature.net/en/net-neutrality-a-great-step-forward-for-the-free-internet
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,818
    After reading the thread and site owner's response to some cynicism of this development I am wondering if the site encourages debate or just wants endorsement of certain views?
    Anyway may I be so sad and pathetic as to say I am not jumping for joy at this change as I largely believe Hamman's points to be valid .
    Price fixing is generally bad and whilst this case is not the worst example of it, it surely is overblown in its significance to the general population as a whole (who do not do European travel every month)
    If Nick Clegg and others think this will make people love the EU then I'm afraid I do not agree
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Nincompoop Nigel is disbanding UKIP in the wake of this change. 'Were done' he said in an emotional TV interview. 'Outrage at democratic deficiency and mass waste of public money cannot compete with slightly lower phone bills for all. Thank God they didn't offer everyone a space hopper, I'd have had to hand myself in to the police for wrong thinking all this time' he added, ruefully.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    On the other hand...

    Will I be able to sign up with an operator in Latvia and use it exclusively in the UK at the Latvian rate? Or the same for a Latvian signing up to a UK operator, should the pricing work best the other way around?

    Now that would open up competition and push down prices!
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    Socrates said:

    As is the enshrining of net neutrality.

    This seems like a good example of a vote where the balance of power mattered, which you were asking about a few threads back. Amelia Andersdotter (SE-Pirate) put up an amendment that seems to have got the entire liberal-left (Pirates, Greens, Socialists, Trots, Liberals) behind it:
    http://www.laquadrature.net/en/net-neutrality-a-great-step-forward-for-the-free-internet
    Seems like a stretch, seeing that it was a 90%+ majority in the vote.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    edited April 2014
    Socrates said:

    Socrates said:

    As is the enshrining of net neutrality.

    This seems like a good example of a vote where the balance of power mattered, which you were asking about a few threads back. Amelia Andersdotter (SE-Pirate) put up an amendment that seems to have got the entire liberal-left (Pirates, Greens, Socialists, Trots, Liberals) behind it:
    http://www.laquadrature.net/en/net-neutrality-a-great-step-forward-for-the-free-internet
    Seems like a stretch, seeing that it was a 90%+ majority in the vote.
    I mean the amendment that took out all the telecom-sponsored loopholes, not the whole motion.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    It will become universal, with apps on your phone like Skype, WhatsApp, Viber, SnapChat, the cost of international communications is essentially free overseas if you have access to wifi.

    Quite. There is almost no need to pay roaming unless you're too lazy to find a wifi hotspot.
    It is probably down to my incompetence but I seldom get a good Wifi hotspot even in the City. As for leaving my phone switched onto Wifi, forget it, the battery don't last long enough and I am forced to beg the use of a phone from a fellow traveller to call for a cab to meet me at the station on the way home.

    I am sure mobile data is a wonderful thing but it is not something I have ever made work for me. Can I be alone in this? I doubt it.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    It will become universal, with apps on your phone like Skype, WhatsApp, Viber, SnapChat, the cost of international communications is essentially free overseas if you have access to wifi.

    Quite. There is almost no need to pay roaming unless you're too lazy to find a wifi hotspot.
    It is probably down to my incompetence but I seldom get a good Wifi hotspot even in the City. As for leaving my phone switched onto Wifi, forget it, the battery don't last long enough and I am forced to beg the use of a phone from a fellow traveller to call for a cab to meet me at the station on the way home.

    I am sure mobile data is a wonderful thing but it is not something I have ever made work for me. Can I be alone in this? I doubt it.
    Get yourself a power monkey. And keep charged up.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    It will become universal, with apps on your phone like Skype, WhatsApp, Viber, SnapChat, the cost of international communications is essentially free overseas if you have access to wifi.

    Quite. There is almost no need to pay roaming unless you're too lazy to find a wifi hotspot.
    It is probably down to my incompetence but I seldom get a good Wifi hotspot even in the City. As for leaving my phone switched onto Wifi, forget it, the battery don't last long enough and I am forced to beg the use of a phone from a fellow traveller to call for a cab to meet me at the station on the way home.

    I am sure mobile data is a wonderful thing but it is not something I have ever made work for me. Can I be alone in this? I doubt it.
    I only use mobile data for reading pb while travelling...
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Won't be too long before WiFi means apps make the concept of phoning on contract redundant. Probably this realisation helped grease the wheels.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    Socrates said:

    Socrates said:

    As is the enshrining of net neutrality.

    This seems like a good example of a vote where the balance of power mattered, which you were asking about a few threads back. Amelia Andersdotter (SE-Pirate) put up an amendment that seems to have got the entire liberal-left (Pirates, Greens, Socialists, Trots, Liberals) behind it:
    http://www.laquadrature.net/en/net-neutrality-a-great-step-forward-for-the-free-internet
    Seems like a stretch, seeing that it was a 90%+ majority in the vote.
    I mean the amendment that took out all the loopholes, not the whole motion.
    Do you know what the numbers for the vote on that was?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,046

    BobaFett said:

    Is this the right time to introduce the charger problem?
    Oh, okay then. The EU should legislate so all phones have to use a standard charger.
    Thoughts?

    Great idea, but I think a higher priority is standardising socks. If only we had standard EU specifications for size and colour of socks, so that, for example, all black socks of a certain size were compatible, then we wouldn't all have to hunt around trying to figure out what happened to the companions for the ever-increasing collection of odd socks which always seem to emerge from the weekly wash. Think how many man-years of EU-wide effort could be saved!
    According to that great Europhile Eddie Izzard lost socks turn into wire coathangers.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Charles said:

    It will become universal, with apps on your phone like Skype, WhatsApp, Viber, SnapChat, the cost of international communications is essentially free overseas if you have access to wifi.

    Quite. There is almost no need to pay roaming unless you're too lazy to find a wifi hotspot.
    It is probably down to my incompetence but I seldom get a good Wifi hotspot even in the City. As for leaving my phone switched onto Wifi, forget it, the battery don't last long enough and I am forced to beg the use of a phone from a fellow traveller to call for a cab to meet me at the station on the way home.

    I am sure mobile data is a wonderful thing but it is not something I have ever made work for me. Can I be alone in this? I doubt it.
    I only use mobile data for reading pb while travelling...
    There's also the case that public Wifi is a huge security risk.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    Socrates said:

    Socrates said:

    Socrates said:

    As is the enshrining of net neutrality.

    This seems like a good example of a vote where the balance of power mattered, which you were asking about a few threads back. Amelia Andersdotter (SE-Pirate) put up an amendment that seems to have got the entire liberal-left (Pirates, Greens, Socialists, Trots, Liberals) behind it:
    http://www.laquadrature.net/en/net-neutrality-a-great-step-forward-for-the-free-internet
    Seems like a stretch, seeing that it was a 90%+ majority in the vote.
    I mean the amendment that took out all the loopholes, not the whole motion.
    Do you know what the numbers for the vote on that was?
    No, but from the write-ups I'm seeing it seems to be S&D + Greens/EFA + GUE/NGL + ALDE.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Socrates said:

    Charles said:

    It will become universal, with apps on your phone like Skype, WhatsApp, Viber, SnapChat, the cost of international communications is essentially free overseas if you have access to wifi.

    Quite. There is almost no need to pay roaming unless you're too lazy to find a wifi hotspot.
    It is probably down to my incompetence but I seldom get a good Wifi hotspot even in the City. As for leaving my phone switched onto Wifi, forget it, the battery don't last long enough and I am forced to beg the use of a phone from a fellow traveller to call for a cab to meet me at the station on the way home.

    I am sure mobile data is a wonderful thing but it is not something I have ever made work for me. Can I be alone in this? I doubt it.
    I only use mobile data for reading pb while travelling...
    There's also the case that public Wifi is a huge security risk.
    Not if it's log in required, it's just an extension of building based wifi

  • Anorak said:

    On the other hand...

    Will I be able to sign up with an operator in Latvia and use it exclusively in the UK at the Latvian rate? Or the same for a Latvian signing up to a UK operator, should the pricing work best the other way around?

    Now that would open up competition and push down prices!

    Why would you want to go to Latvia?

    It's full of Nazi Homophobes.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    The EU is pretty good for me personally.

    There's something intensely exciting about going walking in Andalucia and watching premiership footie on a giant TV screen on the same day.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    If the EU wants to wrap me in it caresses, then it could try getting a set of accounts that can be signed off.

    Clearing up the fraud systemic within the EU would gave every one of the citizens within its borders free mobile phone usage for life. But let's face it, eyes are closed to the fraud as the price required to make the EU palatable.
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,818
    Just seem Paddypower's prices for EU seats for the various parties .Surely the lib dems will get at least 2 seats at 5/6?
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621

    Anorak said:

    On the other hand...

    Will I be able to sign up with an operator in Latvia and use it exclusively in the UK at the Latvian rate? Or the same for a Latvian signing up to a UK operator, should the pricing work best the other way around?

    Now that would open up competition and push down prices!

    Why would you want to go to Latvia?

    It's full of Nazi Homophobes.
    Ah, but they're Nazi Homophobes with cheap phone deals. You can forgive a lot for that.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    taffys said:

    The EU is pretty good for me personally.

    There's something intensely exciting about going walking in Andalucia and watching premiership footie on a giant TV screen on the same day.

    And yet the archaic rules and Premier League/Sky/BT stitch up means you can't do it here at 3pm on a Saturday. Only in the rest of the EU, who have no such qualms about their own games.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737

    Just seem Paddypower's prices for EU seats for the various parties .Surely the lib dems will get at least 2 seats at 5/6?

    why surely?
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    Just seem Paddypower's prices for EU seats for the various parties .Surely the lib dems will get at least 2 seats at 5/6?

    They'll get one in the SW. Beyond that, who knows?
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708

    If the EU wants to wrap me in it caresses, then it could try getting a set of accounts that can be signed off.

    Clearing up the fraud systemic within the EU would gave every one of the citizens within its borders free mobile phone usage for life. But let's face it, eyes are closed to the fraud as the price required to make the EU palatable.

    Their eyes aren't closed, they put it in the public report every time that some of the member states aren't properly accounting for all the money they're getting. If you want their rules properly enforced you need to give them the power to enforce them.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    you can't do it here at 3pm on a Saturday.

    Unless you know the right pubs and can speak a bit of German....
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    taffys said:

    you can't do it here at 3pm on a Saturday.

    Unless you know the right pubs and can speak a bit of German....

    Oh, I know that, I'm a licensee. I mean within the 'law'.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    Reposting this from the previous thread, because I believe this may have the scope to allow highly targeted and popular tax cuts ahead of the next election:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2595611/Cut-tax-rate-sees-revenue-climb-9billion-Amount-paid-wealthiest-soared-50p-rate-reduced.html

    Labour have been murmuring about slashing student tuition fees in their manifesto. For example, Osborne could shoot this fox - and give the LibDems a lifeline on this toxic topic for them.
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,818
    RodCrosby said:

    Just seem Paddypower's prices for EU seats for the various parties .Surely the lib dems will get at least 2 seats at 5/6?

    why surely?
    Well it just looks so low. I think they only got about 14% of the vote last euros and managed to get loads more seats than 2. If the BNP could get 2 last time ,I bet the lib dems can!!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937

    If you want their rules properly enforced you need to give them the power to enforce them.

    The EU has never been slow at giving itself powers. You wonder why they haven't in this instance. Paint me cynical, but...

  • A man received the following text from his neighbour:

    I am so sorry Bob. I've been riddled with guilt and I have to confess. I have been tapping your wife, day and night when you're not around.

    In fact, more than you. I'm not getting any at home, but that's no excuse. I can no longer live with the guilt and I hope you will accept my sincerest apology with my promise that it won't happen again.

    The man, anguished and betrayed, went into his bedroom, grabbed his gun, and without a word, shot his wife and killed her.

    A few moments later, a second text came in:

    Damn auto-correct. I meant "wifi", not "wife".
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,818

    A man received the following text from his neighbour:

    I am so sorry Bob. I've been riddled with guilt and I have to confess. I have been tapping your wife, day and night when you're not around.

    In fact, more than you. I'm not getting any at home, but that's no excuse. I can no longer live with the guilt and I hope you will accept my sincerest apology with my promise that it won't happen again.

    The man, anguished and betrayed, went into his bedroom, grabbed his gun, and without a word, shot his wife and killed her.

    A few moments later, a second text came in:

    Damn auto-correct. I meant "wifi", not "wife".

    Wasn't there a Jonathan Creek mystery a bit like this ? Involved being killed by a comma from memory!
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708

    If you want their rules properly enforced you need to give them the power to enforce them.

    The EU has never been slow at giving itself powers. You wonder why they haven't in this instance. Paint me cynical, but...

    The EU institutions aren't able to gain power unless the member states agree, usually through an unbelievably slow and laborious treaty process. Failing that they have to at least fail to disagree, as with the ECB's coup d'état where it invented the ability for itself to police national budgets and print money to bail out countries that stuck with the program. The EU bureaucracy would love to have the ability to slap around member states for failing to account for the way they're spending its money, and the reason they're reduced to writing a report about it instead is that the member states won't let them do it.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    A man received the following text from his neighbour:

    I am so sorry Bob. I've been riddled with guilt and I have to confess. I have been tapping your wife, day and night when you're not around.

    In fact, more than you. I'm not getting any at home, but that's no excuse. I can no longer live with the guilt and I hope you will accept my sincerest apology with my promise that it won't happen again.

    The man, anguished and betrayed, went into his bedroom, grabbed his gun, and without a word, shot his wife and killed her.

    A few moments later, a second text came in:

    Damn auto-correct. I meant "wifi", not "wife".

    Wasn't there a Jonathan Creek mystery a bit like this ? Involved being killed by a comma from memory!
    Be careful, or he will explain how you need to help Uncle Jack off his horse.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Sort of on topic, the Guardian is reporting that Ed Miliband wants Farage frozen out of the 2015 debates.

    Interesting.
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @MarqueeMark

    'I believe this may have the scope to allow highly targeted and popular tax cuts ahead of the next election'

    Amazing,another £9 billion raised by cutting tax,maybe even Ed will take note and not continue down the Hollande tax route,problem is his party wouldn't let him.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    It will become universal, with apps on your phone like Skype, WhatsApp, Viber, SnapChat, the cost of international communications is essentially free overseas if you have access to wifi.

    Quite. There is almost no need to pay roaming unless you're too lazy to find a wifi hotspot.
    It is probably down to my incompetence but I seldom get a good Wifi hotspot even in the City. As for leaving my phone switched onto Wifi, forget it, the battery don't last long enough and I am forced to beg the use of a phone from a fellow traveller to call for a cab to meet me at the station on the way home.

    I am sure mobile data is a wonderful thing but it is not something I have ever made work for me. Can I be alone in this? I doubt it.
    Get yourself a power monkey. And keep charged up.
    Until a few moments ago I had no idea what a Power Monkey was. I think I'd best spend the rest of the afternoon looking for a nice nursing home, I am clearly so far behind that I'll never catch up with modern life.
  • I've just agreed a new mobile contract today. 2,000 minutes, 5,000 texts + 4gb of 4G data for £17.50 pm including VAT.

    I bet that next April I'll do even better. That's the nature of the mobile market.

    With whom, Mike? Sounds like you cut yourself a very good deal there.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,534

    RodCrosby said:

    Just seem Paddypower's prices for EU seats for the various parties .Surely the lib dems will get at least 2 seats at 5/6?

    why surely?
    Well it just looks so low. I think they only got about 14% of the vote last euros and managed to get loads more seats than 2. If the BNP could get 2 last time ,I bet the lib dems can!!
    There's a tipping point at c.10% or so of the overall vote. Stay above it, and you should be able to win a seat in most regions. Fall below it, and you can get wiped out.

  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    So the Roaming change comes in force at the end of 2015. Why so long a wait?
    It's something like Cammos promises of referendums on the EU, so far in the future that the promise can, and I believe, will be broken with impunity.

    It won't make the slightest difference to the outcome of the EU elections in May.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737

    RodCrosby said:

    Just seem Paddypower's prices for EU seats for the various parties .Surely the lib dems will get at least 2 seats at 5/6?

    why surely?
    Well it just looks so low. I think they only got about 14% of the vote last euros and managed to get loads more seats than 2. If the BNP could get 2 last time ,I bet the lib dems can!!
    I'd look a little more closely at the electoral system, if I were you, in particular at the relative magnitude of the parties last time, compared to this time...
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498
    FPT
    TGOHF said:

    » show previous quotes
    Farage could have taken that attitude but he took on Clegg and is reaping a big win.

    He who dares wins - and Eck isn't daring - not like Nigel.



    Difference is Farage is the outsider with no government position so needs anything to get on the stage. Salmond is the First Minister why would he want to debate with an obscure failed labour back bencher.
    Totally different position , he will wait till Cameron is shown to be a complete fake and coward and in the end wipe the floor with Cameron's monkey.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    malcolmg said:

    Totally different position , he will wait till Cameron is shown to be a complete fake and coward and in the end wipe the floor with Cameron's monkey.

    monkey or POWER monkey ;-)
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Ed is being accused of running scared of Farage.....on the Guardian's comment thread....(!)
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    malcolmg said:

    ...in the end wipe the floor with Cameron's monkey.

    'Scuse my ignorance, but what does that mean?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,337

    It will become universal, with apps on your phone like Skype, WhatsApp, Viber, SnapChat, the cost of international communications is essentially free overseas if you have access to wifi.

    Quite. There is almost no need to pay roaming unless you're too lazy to find a wifi hotspot.
    It is probably down to my incompetence but I seldom get a good Wifi hotspot even in the City. As for leaving my phone switched onto Wifi, forget it, the battery don't last long enough and I am forced to beg the use of a phone from a fellow traveller to call for a cab to meet me at the station on the way home.

    I am sure mobile data is a wonderful thing but it is not something I have ever made work for me. Can I be alone in this? I doubt it.
    Get yourself a power monkey. And keep charged up.
    Until a few moments ago I had no idea what a Power Monkey was. I think I'd best spend the rest of the afternoon looking for a nice nursing home, I am clearly so far behind that I'll never catch up with modern life.
    I wouldn't worry. We were discussing eating monkeys the other day, not to mention haddock etc. (which have some connection with F1 racing which escapes me, so I can sympathise).

    I'm surprised nobody has commented on how this kills off another Scottish indy scare story, by the way ("you Jocks can't afford indy - think of the roaming charges if you try to phone your granny in Basingstoke!").

  • EasterrossEasterross Posts: 1,915

    I've just agreed a new mobile contract today. 2,000 minutes, 5,000 texts + 4gb of 4G data for £17.50 pm including VAT.

    I bet that next April I'll do even better. That's the nature of the mobile market.

    Bargain, I'm paying £52 a month for unlimited minutes, texts and 20 GB of 4G Data.
    I don't have a constant mobile signal let alone 3G so your 4G is just fantasy stuff hereabouts.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,624
    US Service sector PMI is 53.6.

    Basically, everywhere (UK, Ireland, Germany, US, Spain, etc. etc.) except Italy is seeing economic growth picking up at the moment.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498
    Charles said:

    malcolmg said:

    Totally different position , he will wait till Cameron is shown to be a complete fake and coward and in the end wipe the floor with Cameron's monkey.

    monkey or POWER monkey ;-)
    LOL, no-one could describe Darling using the word POWER , terminally boring perhaps. A power monkey is a useful thing.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,624
    rcs1000 said:

    US Service sector PMI is 53.6.

    Basically, everywhere (UK, Ireland, Germany, US, Spain, etc. etc.) except Italy is seeing economic growth picking up at the moment.

    And China. Italy and China are the laggards right now.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498

    I've just agreed a new mobile contract today. 2,000 minutes, 5,000 texts + 4gb of 4G data for £17.50 pm including VAT.

    I bet that next April I'll do even better. That's the nature of the mobile market.

    Bargain, I'm paying £52 a month for unlimited minutes, texts and 20 GB of 4G Data.
    I don't have a constant mobile signal let alone 3G so your 4G is just fantasy stuff hereabouts.
    How many pigeons do you lose a month
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498
    Anorak said:

    malcolmg said:

    ...in the end wipe the floor with Cameron's monkey.

    'Scuse my ignorance, but what does that mean?
    He will get to Darling before the referendum
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    If the EU wants to wrap me in it caresses, then it could try getting a set of accounts that can be signed off.

    Clearing up the fraud systemic within the EU would gave every one of the citizens within its borders free mobile phone usage for life. But let's face it, eyes are closed to the fraud as the price required to make the EU palatable.

    Their eyes aren't closed, they put it in the public report every time that some of the member states aren't properly accounting for all the money they're getting. If you want their rules properly enforced you need to give them the power to enforce them.
    A pretty easy way to enforce it would be to cut off money to states that aren't accounting for the missing money. But then they'd lose the grease that keeps the whole machine running...
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited April 2014
    malcolmg said:

    Anorak said:

    malcolmg said:

    ...in the end wipe the floor with Cameron's monkey.

    'Scuse my ignorance, but what does that mean?
    He will get to Darling before the referendum
    Oh right, I see. Must be all the air pollution here in London slowing down my brain cells!
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    taffys said:
    Unbelievable if true.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited April 2014
    I am yet to purchase my first smartphone.
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