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  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,068
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Here is something far vaster and sadder and bigger and more momentous than the ridiculous post office nonsense

    The intense and increasing loneliness of the western world. In a few charts. THIS is something to worry about

    https://x.com/davidshor/status/1942932100707225620?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    And young people, bring back WI, Mothers' Union, Rotary Club, youth clubs, scouts etc and champion mothers and wives as well as high earning career women
    One lesson we should all learn is that change evolves, and those who oppose change disappear, those that accept it reluctantly do not prosper, but those who actively welcome change succeeds

    Round Table's motto in their day was 'adapt, adopt, and improve' and that is good advice

    I think Rotary clubs must still exist as I see their social media, but they have adapted and welcome lady members, indeed as I understand it the local Rotary Club's present President is a lady

    At times you remind me of the dinosaurs, and we know what happen to them
    Where did I say Rotary Club Presidents could not be women? Though there is the Inner Wheel female equivalent, my parents have been Presidents of both
    Again you miss the point

    Rotary clubs were all male, but then they changed to accept the ladies
    While Inner Wheel still does not accept men
    That will change
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,932
    IanB2 said:

    I'm now on the beach, in a little cove off the Norwegian Sea. When I turned up there were only a couple of campers packing up their stuff, but now families are arriving and a few people are bravely venturing into the sea - the water is freezing; helpfully curative for my sprained ankle; but the air temp is probably 17, and with only a few wispy high clouds and little wind, it feels warmer in the sun. I doubt days like this come along very often right up here. Peak temperature today is forecast for 8-9 pm, as the sun doesn't set until nearly 1 am.

    We have twice been in Tromso when the temperature has been in the high 20s. (C, not F)
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,590
    Taz said:

    My eldest rings me up. News of a job interview tomorrow. I enquire as to who it's with and he gives a company name in Sheffield. Website is bullshit bingo and agency photos. "Marketing lead generation for blue chip clients" apparently. No company information on there at all.

    Hmmm. Onto Companies House and I find them. And the same guy has founded another 6 iterations of the same company, often one every month, all of which are dissolved after 17 months. Hmmm. All with the same single shareholder / PSC. Hmmm.

    They're not going to the interview tomorrow.

    Okay but why didn’t they do that due diligence ?
    Because they are autistic and have a First Class degree in English. Very bright and very naive in equal measure. Its ok, dad is here to shine the torch in dark nooks and crannies.

    I can confirm that the director of all these businesses is not a Reform MP, so put your minds to rest on that front.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,194
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Here is something far vaster and sadder and bigger and more momentous than the ridiculous post office nonsense

    The intense and increasing loneliness of the western world. In a few charts. THIS is something to worry about

    https://x.com/davidshor/status/1942932100707225620?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    And young people, bring back WI, Mothers' Union, Rotary Club, youth clubs, scouts etc and champion mothers and wives as well as high earning career women
    One lesson we should all learn is that change evolves, and those who oppose change disappear, those that accept it reluctantly do not prosper, but those who actively welcome change succeeds

    Round Table's motto in their day was 'adapt, adopt, and improve' and that is good advice

    I think Rotary clubs must still exist as I see their social media, but they have adapted and welcome lady members, indeed as I understand it the local Rotary Club's present President is a lady

    At times you remind me of the dinosaurs, and we know what happen to them
    Where did I say Rotary Club Presidents could not be women? Though there is the Inner Wheel female equivalent, my parents have been Presidents of both
    Again you miss the point

    Rotary clubs were all male, but then they changed to accept the ladies
    While Inner Wheel still does not accept men
    Nor, just being provocative and adding fuel to the fire, do the WI or the Girl Guides. The Scouts accept girls.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,132
    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Here is something far vaster and sadder and bigger and more momentous than the ridiculous post office nonsense

    The intense and increasing loneliness of the western world. In a few charts. THIS is something to worry about

    https://x.com/davidshor/status/1942932100707225620?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    And young people, bring back WI, Mothers' Union, Rotary Club, youth clubs, scouts etc and champion mothers and wives as well as high earning career women
    I genuinely wonder if there will be an attempt to ban smartphones. Entirely. For everyone
    If there were some commune that completely blocked the mobile signal it might become an attractive place for people to move to. The only way to escape the downsides of modernity.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,065

    Asylum seeker can stay in UK because of speech impediment
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/09/asylum-seeker-can-stay-in-uk-because-of-speech-impediment/

    Putting aside the clickbait title, the crux seems to be that he has become active on social media / going to demonstrations while in the UK illegally. He hasn't been able to prove his claims of attending demonstrations while in Iraq.

    This again seems a very easy way to game the system. Get here, while the system is sorting out your claim, get mouthy on socials in English, then claim I can't go back because somebody might find my Faceache posts. Job done.

    Does anybody get an asylum claim rejected, these days?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,344
    Sean_F said:

    Asylum seeker can stay in UK because of speech impediment
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/09/asylum-seeker-can-stay-in-uk-because-of-speech-impediment/

    Putting aside the clickbait title, the crux seems to be that he has become active on social media / going to demonstrations while in the UK illegally. He hasn't been able to prove his claims of attending demonstrations while in Iraq.

    This again seems a very easy way to game the system. Get here, while the system is sorting out your claim, get mouthy on socials in English, then claim I can't go back because somebody might find my Faceache posts. Job done.

    Does anybody get an asylum claim rejected, these days?
    It feels about as likely as failing a GCSE in PE.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,068

    IanB2 said:

    I'm now on the beach, in a little cove off the Norwegian Sea. When I turned up there were only a couple of campers packing up their stuff, but now families are arriving and a few people are bravely venturing into the sea - the water is freezing; helpfully curative for my sprained ankle; but the air temp is probably 17, and with only a few wispy high clouds and little wind, it feels warmer in the sun. I doubt days like this come along very often right up here. Peak temperature today is forecast for 8-9 pm, as the sun doesn't set until nearly 1 am.

    We have twice been in Tromso when the temperature has been in the high 20s. (C, not F)
    Not twice, but the time we were there it was in the high 20s

    Indeed crossing into the Artic Circle in shirt sleeves was not what we expected !!!!!!
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,932

    I'm late to this article, but what a good one it is. This phrase says it all in relation to this scandal:

    But I will suggest one deeper reason. We have, as a society, lost any sense of shame and guilt. We threw them out, thinking that they were horrible, old-fashioned feelings which oppressed people unnecessarily. And while there was some truth in that, in reality, some behaviour is shameful and people ought to feel ashamed and guilty. Some shame and guilt are essential to ensuring effective boundaries on our behaviour and some sense of conscience – a professional conscience, if you will, for those not wanting its religious overtones. But however you describe it, without this at an individual level, a person cannot be truly said to have integrity.

    Thank you Cyclefree.

    Memo to Starmer. Your government is deeply unpopular. Your personal ratings are down the toilet. Just announce that you will pay the sub-postmasters their full compensation now, and that you will recover it from the Post Office, Fujitsu, and their management. Enjoy your new popularity whilst doing something worthwhile.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,344
    Two lots of Trump...

    Police have confirmed they are preparing for a potential visit by US President Donald Trump to Scotland later this month. He is expected to visit a new course at his golf resort in Aberdeenshire, though it is understood there will be no private meeting with King Charles.

    Trump will also make a full state visit to the UK later in the year, most likely in September.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,590
    DodgyCo update. I misread. All went through compulsory strike off. Looking at the timings I assume for not filing a confirmation statement
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,578

    Taz said:

    Just had the local fire service knock the door. Talking about smoke alarms. Fitted two free ones. Obviously not free because my taxes have been paying them since I have lived up here but all the same.

    Our fire service have been doing this for some years, and about 6 months ago they called on each and every home with advice and fitting new alarms, and in our case renewed the two they had fitted previously

    However, a few weeks later one of the alarms went off in the early hours, and I have to say they are very effective in waking you up

    I called the fire servive and the next day this huge fire engine and crew arrived, and changed the faulty one

    All free, but saving more than they cost in lives and getting help
    Ours probably have, to be fair, but as I was working full time until March I probably missed the freebie beforehand.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,590

    Two lots of Trump...

    Police have confirmed they are preparing for a potential visit by US President Donald Trump to Scotland later this month. He is expected to visit a new course at his golf resort in Aberdeenshire, though it is understood there will be no private meeting with King Charles.

    Trump will also make a full state visit to the UK later in the year, most likely in September.

    He is coming! Yay!!!!!!
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,932

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Here is something far vaster and sadder and bigger and more momentous than the ridiculous post office nonsense

    The intense and increasing loneliness of the western world. In a few charts. THIS is something to worry about

    https://x.com/davidshor/status/1942932100707225620?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    And young people, bring back WI, Mothers' Union, Rotary Club, youth clubs, scouts etc and champion mothers and wives as well as high earning career women
    I genuinely wonder if there will be an attempt to ban smartphones. Entirely. For everyone
    If there were some commune that completely blocked the mobile signal it might become an attractive place for people to move to. The only way to escape the downsides of modernity.
    You could try the A road over the hill between our nearest town and the next town. Plenty of land for housing, as well.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,194

    Two lots of Trump...

    Police have confirmed they are preparing for a potential visit by US President Donald Trump to Scotland later this month. He is expected to visit a new course at his golf resort in Aberdeenshire, though it is understood there will be no private meeting with King Charles.

    Trump will also make a full state visit to the UK later in the year, most likely in September.

    'Baby' Trump balloons at the ready!
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,578

    Taz said:

    My eldest rings me up. News of a job interview tomorrow. I enquire as to who it's with and he gives a company name in Sheffield. Website is bullshit bingo and agency photos. "Marketing lead generation for blue chip clients" apparently. No company information on there at all.

    Hmmm. Onto Companies House and I find them. And the same guy has founded another 6 iterations of the same company, often one every month, all of which are dissolved after 17 months. Hmmm. All with the same single shareholder / PSC. Hmmm.

    They're not going to the interview tomorrow.

    Okay but why didn’t they do that due diligence ?
    Because they are autistic and have a First Class degree in English. Very bright and very naive in equal measure. Its ok, dad is here to shine the torch in dark nooks and crannies.

    I can confirm that the director of all these businesses is not a Reform MP, so put your minds to rest on that front.
    My wife’s friends daughter, convoluted admittedly but there is it, is autistic but would have done due diligence.

    Probably too much due diligence.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,932

    IanB2 said:

    I'm now on the beach, in a little cove off the Norwegian Sea. When I turned up there were only a couple of campers packing up their stuff, but now families are arriving and a few people are bravely venturing into the sea - the water is freezing; helpfully curative for my sprained ankle; but the air temp is probably 17, and with only a few wispy high clouds and little wind, it feels warmer in the sun. I doubt days like this come along very often right up here. Peak temperature today is forecast for 8-9 pm, as the sun doesn't set until nearly 1 am.

    We have twice been in Tromso when the temperature has been in the high 20s. (C, not F)
    Not twice, but the time we were there it was in the high 20s

    Indeed crossing into the Artic Circle in shirt sleeves was not what we expected !!!!!!
    Yes, we have photos of being on deck above the Arctic Circle at midnight in shirt sleeves. If the sun shines for 24 hours and it isn’t windy, it soon gets warm.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,578
    Sean_F said:

    Asylum seeker can stay in UK because of speech impediment
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/09/asylum-seeker-can-stay-in-uk-because-of-speech-impediment/

    Putting aside the clickbait title, the crux seems to be that he has become active on social media / going to demonstrations while in the UK illegally. He hasn't been able to prove his claims of attending demonstrations while in Iraq.

    This again seems a very easy way to game the system. Get here, while the system is sorting out your claim, get mouthy on socials in English, then claim I can't go back because somebody might find my Faceache posts. Job done.

    Does anybody get an asylum claim rejected, these days?
    Not if their kid doesn’t like the chicken nuggets back home or their beard may be an issue.

    👍
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,578

    IanB2 said:

    I'm now on the beach, in a little cove off the Norwegian Sea. When I turned up there were only a couple of campers packing up their stuff, but now families are arriving and a few people are bravely venturing into the sea - the water is freezing; helpfully curative for my sprained ankle; but the air temp is probably 17, and with only a few wispy high clouds and little wind, it feels warmer in the sun. I doubt days like this come along very often right up here. Peak temperature today is forecast for 8-9 pm, as the sun doesn't set until nearly 1 am.

    We have twice been in Tromso when the temperature has been in the high 20s. (C, not F)
    Not twice, but the time we were there it was in the high 20s

    Indeed crossing into the Artic Circle in shirt sleeves was not what we expected !!!!!!
    Path, that’s the toon on a February night.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,056
    Sean_F said:

    Asylum seeker can stay in UK because of speech impediment
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/09/asylum-seeker-can-stay-in-uk-because-of-speech-impediment/

    Putting aside the clickbait title, the crux seems to be that he has become active on social media / going to demonstrations while in the UK illegally. He hasn't been able to prove his claims of attending demonstrations while in Iraq.

    This again seems a very easy way to game the system. Get here, while the system is sorting out your claim, get mouthy on socials in English, then claim I can't go back because somebody might find my Faceache posts. Job done.

    Does anybody get an asylum claim rejected, these days?
    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn01403/

    In 2024, 53% were refused at initial decision (not counting withdrawals).

    https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN01403/SN01403.pdf has more: see figures on pages 12-15.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,932

    Two lots of Trump...

    Police have confirmed they are preparing for a potential visit by US President Donald Trump to Scotland later this month. He is expected to visit a new course at his golf resort in Aberdeenshire, though it is understood there will be no private meeting with King Charles.

    Trump will also make a full state visit to the UK later in the year, most likely in September.

    He is coming! Yay!!!!!!
    I hope it’s windy so he can see the offshore turbines producing plenty of renewable electricity.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,094

    IanB2 said:

    I'm now on the beach, in a little cove off the Norwegian Sea. When I turned up there were only a couple of campers packing up their stuff, but now families are arriving and a few people are bravely venturing into the sea - the water is freezing; helpfully curative for my sprained ankle; but the air temp is probably 17, and with only a few wispy high clouds and little wind, it feels warmer in the sun. I doubt days like this come along very often right up here. Peak temperature today is forecast for 8-9 pm, as the sun doesn't set until nearly 1 am.

    We have twice been in Tromso when the temperature has been in the high 20s. (C, not F)
    Not twice, but the time we were there it was in the high 20s

    Indeed crossing into the Artic Circle in shirt sleeves was not what we expected !!!!!!
    The way things are looking, I might be doing that tomorrow afternoon (although the morning is forecast to be cloudy)
  • Eabhal said:

    Hmm, I think Labour's ditching of zonal pricing will have had a material impact on the SNP's chances next year. Such an obvious weakness for UK Government - not sure why they floated it unless they were going to push it through.

    I'm already getting targeted ads about subsiding the SE with Tartan Turbines.

    It's a huge f-you to Scotland. "You guys with all the wind turbines? Just keep paying London prices for your electricity, kthxbye!"

    Miliband is so dumb he's an actual menace.
    Although if you want regional prices for electricity etc can we have regional pricing for post? Why is it the same to post Warminster to Wick as it is Warminster to Frome?
    Remote areas can't help but be remote. There's nothing stopping the south of England installing more generation capacity and stumping up money for extra north-south transmission lines.

    I don't believe it is controversial to say the areas putting up with wind turbines dotting the landscape should at least get some economic advantage from that.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,056
    edited 2:40PM

    Sean_F said:

    Asylum seeker can stay in UK because of speech impediment
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/09/asylum-seeker-can-stay-in-uk-because-of-speech-impediment/

    Putting aside the clickbait title, the crux seems to be that he has become active on social media / going to demonstrations while in the UK illegally. He hasn't been able to prove his claims of attending demonstrations while in Iraq.

    This again seems a very easy way to game the system. Get here, while the system is sorting out your claim, get mouthy on socials in English, then claim I can't go back because somebody might find my Faceache posts. Job done.

    Does anybody get an asylum claim rejected, these days?
    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn01403/

    In 2024, 53% were refused at initial decision (not counting withdrawals).

    https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN01403/SN01403.pdf has more: see figures on pages 12-15.
    Oh, this is nice...



    You can see how refugee numbers are driven by world events. War in country X generates lots of refugees from X.

    (Go to p. 20 of https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN01403/SN01403.pdf to see that bigger.)
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,737

    Sean_F said:

    Asylum seeker can stay in UK because of speech impediment
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/09/asylum-seeker-can-stay-in-uk-because-of-speech-impediment/

    Putting aside the clickbait title, the crux seems to be that he has become active on social media / going to demonstrations while in the UK illegally. He hasn't been able to prove his claims of attending demonstrations while in Iraq.

    This again seems a very easy way to game the system. Get here, while the system is sorting out your claim, get mouthy on socials in English, then claim I can't go back because somebody might find my Faceache posts. Job done.

    Does anybody get an asylum claim rejected, these days?
    It feels about as likely as failing a GCSE in PE.
    The entire "deciding class" (Latterly asylum recorders, now "judges") seems decidedly bleeding hearted.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,295
    Very interesting to see the MAGA coalition completely self destruct over the Epstein list. MAGA personalities seem to be split exactly 50/50 with one half saying release it and be damned even if it makes Trump or Trump allies and the other half buying what the Trump admin is saying that "it doesn't exist".

    Expect anti-immigration raids to drastically increase in the next two weeks to get the coalition back together and unified on something.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,344
    edited 2:39PM

    Sean_F said:

    Asylum seeker can stay in UK because of speech impediment
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/09/asylum-seeker-can-stay-in-uk-because-of-speech-impediment/

    Putting aside the clickbait title, the crux seems to be that he has become active on social media / going to demonstrations while in the UK illegally. He hasn't been able to prove his claims of attending demonstrations while in Iraq.

    This again seems a very easy way to game the system. Get here, while the system is sorting out your claim, get mouthy on socials in English, then claim I can't go back because somebody might find my Faceache posts. Job done.

    Does anybody get an asylum claim rejected, these days?
    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn01403/

    In 2024, 53% were refused at initial decision (not counting withdrawals).

    https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN01403/SN01403.pdf has more: see figures on pages 12-15.
    What about after all the appeals? As it seems a lot of these reports are often after several appeals it the original Home Office decision gets overturned.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,295
    Sean_F said:

    Asylum seeker can stay in UK because of speech impediment
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/09/asylum-seeker-can-stay-in-uk-because-of-speech-impediment/

    Putting aside the clickbait title, the crux seems to be that he has become active on social media / going to demonstrations while in the UK illegally. He hasn't been able to prove his claims of attending demonstrations while in Iraq.

    This again seems a very easy way to game the system. Get here, while the system is sorting out your claim, get mouthy on socials in English, then claim I can't go back because somebody might find my Faceache posts. Job done.

    Does anybody get an asylum claim rejected, these days?
    This is why Macron is right about the UK causing it's own issues with asylum seekers and illegals. If the law was rewritten to reject a much higher proportion of asylum seekers and illegals and deport them to third countries on rejection the boat problem goes away very quickly.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,194

    Sean_F said:

    Asylum seeker can stay in UK because of speech impediment
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/09/asylum-seeker-can-stay-in-uk-because-of-speech-impediment/

    Putting aside the clickbait title, the crux seems to be that he has become active on social media / going to demonstrations while in the UK illegally. He hasn't been able to prove his claims of attending demonstrations while in Iraq.

    This again seems a very easy way to game the system. Get here, while the system is sorting out your claim, get mouthy on socials in English, then claim I can't go back because somebody might find my Faceache posts. Job done.

    Does anybody get an asylum claim rejected, these days?
    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn01403/

    In 2024, 53% were refused at initial decision (not counting withdrawals).

    https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN01403/SN01403.pdf has more: see figures on pages 12-15.
    What about after all the appeals? As it seems a lot of these reports are often after several appeals it the original Home Office decision gets overturned.
    And if an application and appeal is turned down, does the applicant get put on a plane (or whatever) to their home country?
  • eekeek Posts: 30,612
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    My eldest rings me up. News of a job interview tomorrow. I enquire as to who it's with and he gives a company name in Sheffield. Website is bullshit bingo and agency photos. "Marketing lead generation for blue chip clients" apparently. No company information on there at all.

    Hmmm. Onto Companies House and I find them. And the same guy has founded another 6 iterations of the same company, often one every month, all of which are dissolved after 17 months. Hmmm. All with the same single shareholder / PSC. Hmmm.

    They're not going to the interview tomorrow.

    Okay but why didn’t they do that due diligence ?
    Because they are autistic and have a First Class degree in English. Very bright and very naive in equal measure. Its ok, dad is here to shine the torch in dark nooks and crannies.

    I can confirm that the director of all these businesses is not a Reform MP, so put your minds to rest on that front.
    My wife’s friends daughter, convoluted admittedly but there is it, is autistic but would have done due diligence.

    Probably too much due diligence.
    Most people in the excitement of getting a job interview won’t do that much due diligence
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,056

    Sean_F said:

    Asylum seeker can stay in UK because of speech impediment
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/09/asylum-seeker-can-stay-in-uk-because-of-speech-impediment/

    Putting aside the clickbait title, the crux seems to be that he has become active on social media / going to demonstrations while in the UK illegally. He hasn't been able to prove his claims of attending demonstrations while in Iraq.

    This again seems a very easy way to game the system. Get here, while the system is sorting out your claim, get mouthy on socials in English, then claim I can't go back because somebody might find my Faceache posts. Job done.

    Does anybody get an asylum claim rejected, these days?
    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn01403/

    In 2024, 53% were refused at initial decision (not counting withdrawals).

    https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN01403/SN01403.pdf has more: see figures on pages 12-15.
    What about after all the appeals? As it seems a lot of these reports are often after several appeals it the original Home Office decision gets overturned.
    Appeals get more complicated given the time delay, but see section 2.2 of that report. In short, appeals don't make a huge difference to the number.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,068

    IanB2 said:

    I'm now on the beach, in a little cove off the Norwegian Sea. When I turned up there were only a couple of campers packing up their stuff, but now families are arriving and a few people are bravely venturing into the sea - the water is freezing; helpfully curative for my sprained ankle; but the air temp is probably 17, and with only a few wispy high clouds and little wind, it feels warmer in the sun. I doubt days like this come along very often right up here. Peak temperature today is forecast for 8-9 pm, as the sun doesn't set until nearly 1 am.

    We have twice been in Tromso when the temperature has been in the high 20s. (C, not F)
    Not twice, but the time we were there it was in the high 20s

    Indeed crossing into the Artic Circle in shirt sleeves was not what we expected !!!!!!
    Yes, we have photos of being on deck above the Arctic Circle at midnight in shirt sleeves. If the sun shines for 24 hours and it isn’t windy, it soon gets warm.
    The seven days we were at sea above the Artic Circle did not see us experience night, and it became quite a problem so we did black out the cabin windows and wear blackout eye masks but it did take time to come to terms with it

    Quite an experience
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,677

    NEW THREAD

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,693
    Sean_F said:

    Asylum seeker can stay in UK because of speech impediment
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/09/asylum-seeker-can-stay-in-uk-because-of-speech-impediment/

    Putting aside the clickbait title, the crux seems to be that he has become active on social media / going to demonstrations while in the UK illegally. He hasn't been able to prove his claims of attending demonstrations while in Iraq.

    This again seems a very easy way to game the system. Get here, while the system is sorting out your claim, get mouthy on socials in English, then claim I can't go back because somebody might find my Faceache posts. Job done.

    Does anybody get an asylum claim rejected, these days?
    Elon Musk might.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,094
    Cicero said:

    Some very interesting rumours circling the Baltic this week. Seems like something significant has truly broken down in Moscow. I will write further soon. However, there is a growing sense that we could be approaching the point of maximum danger. The culmination of the war could be in sight. The bear may lash out very wildly, but for the first time in over three years I have seen Estonian officials expressing a very slight optimism.

    So long as he leaves Finland alone (for the next few weeks, at least…)
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,056

    Sean_F said:

    Asylum seeker can stay in UK because of speech impediment
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/09/asylum-seeker-can-stay-in-uk-because-of-speech-impediment/

    Putting aside the clickbait title, the crux seems to be that he has become active on social media / going to demonstrations while in the UK illegally. He hasn't been able to prove his claims of attending demonstrations while in Iraq.

    This again seems a very easy way to game the system. Get here, while the system is sorting out your claim, get mouthy on socials in English, then claim I can't go back because somebody might find my Faceache posts. Job done.

    Does anybody get an asylum claim rejected, these days?
    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn01403/

    In 2024, 53% were refused at initial decision (not counting withdrawals).

    https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN01403/SN01403.pdf has more: see figures on pages 12-15.
    What about after all the appeals? As it seems a lot of these reports are often after several appeals it the original Home Office decision gets overturned.
    And if an application and appeal is turned down, does the applicant get put on a plane (or whatever) to their home country?
    They are meant to. Some go voluntarily. Some are forcibly deported. But some remain in the country, despite not having any legal right to.

    https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/deportation-and-voluntary-departure-from-the-uk/ notes "In the past, however, many refused asylum seekers were not returned from the UK. Of all asylum applications submitted between 2010 and 2020 and subsequently refused, around 41% had resulted in a return from the UK by 30 June 2022, either enforced or voluntary."

    That was under the Tories and the drop off was really from 2015 onwards. Deportations have increased under Labour. https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-ending-march-2025/how-many-people-are-returned-from-the-uk says "In the year ending March 2025, there were 9,838 asylum-related returns, 29% more than in the year ending March 2024. [...] Enforced and voluntary asylum-related returns now exceeds activity in 2012 (up 7%) but are still 9% lower than 2010."
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,172

    Two lots of Trump...

    Police have confirmed they are preparing for a potential visit by US President Donald Trump to Scotland later this month. He is expected to visit a new course at his golf resort in Aberdeenshire, though it is understood there will be no private meeting with King Charles.

    Trump will also make a full state visit to the UK later in the year, most likely in September.

    That's the way. Get the cuffs and Black Maria ready.

    How long before Trump is one a sealed indictment at the ICC?
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 12,167

    Sean_F said:

    Asylum seeker can stay in UK because of speech impediment
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/09/asylum-seeker-can-stay-in-uk-because-of-speech-impediment/

    Putting aside the clickbait title, the crux seems to be that he has become active on social media / going to demonstrations while in the UK illegally. He hasn't been able to prove his claims of attending demonstrations while in Iraq.

    This again seems a very easy way to game the system. Get here, while the system is sorting out your claim, get mouthy on socials in English, then claim I can't go back because somebody might find my Faceache posts. Job done.

    Does anybody get an asylum claim rejected, these days?
    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn01403/

    In 2024, 53% were refused at initial decision (not counting withdrawals).

    https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN01403/SN01403.pdf has more: see figures on pages 12-15.
    What about after all the appeals? As it seems a lot of these reports are often after several appeals it the original Home Office decision gets overturned.
    The number of appeals won is high, however it depends how many of those rejected actually appeal. At the moment on your figures 53% get rejected....not if only 10% appeal but 75% win on appeal thats a lot different in all 53% appeal and 75% win
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,788

    Taz said:

    My eldest rings me up. News of a job interview tomorrow. I enquire as to who it's with and he gives a company name in Sheffield. Website is bullshit bingo and agency photos. "Marketing lead generation for blue chip clients" apparently. No company information on there at all.

    Hmmm. Onto Companies House and I find them. And the same guy has founded another 6 iterations of the same company, often one every month, all of which are dissolved after 17 months. Hmmm. All with the same single shareholder / PSC. Hmmm.

    They're not going to the interview tomorrow.

    Okay but why didn’t they do that due diligence ?
    Because they are autistic and have a First Class degree in English. Very bright and very naive in equal measure. Its ok, dad is here to shine the torch in dark nooks and crannies.

    I can confirm that the director of all these businesses is not a Reform MP, so put your minds to rest on that front.
    Well done. You’ve saved your son a whole world of pain there.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,788
    Pagan2 said:

    Sean_F said:

    Asylum seeker can stay in UK because of speech impediment
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/09/asylum-seeker-can-stay-in-uk-because-of-speech-impediment/

    Putting aside the clickbait title, the crux seems to be that he has become active on social media / going to demonstrations while in the UK illegally. He hasn't been able to prove his claims of attending demonstrations while in Iraq.

    This again seems a very easy way to game the system. Get here, while the system is sorting out your claim, get mouthy on socials in English, then claim I can't go back because somebody might find my Faceache posts. Job done.

    Does anybody get an asylum claim rejected, these days?
    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn01403/

    In 2024, 53% were refused at initial decision (not counting withdrawals).

    https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN01403/SN01403.pdf has more: see figures on pages 12-15.
    What about after all the appeals? As it seems a lot of these reports are often after several appeals it the original Home Office decision gets overturned.
    The number of appeals won is high, however it depends how many of those rejected actually appeal. At the moment on your figures 53% get rejected....not if only 10% appeal but 75% win on appeal thats a lot different in all 53% appeal and 75% win
    The appeals are partly self selecting because they will be done by those who know the system and what will succeed but that is still an astonishingly high rate.

    Two different things arise. First, the quality of decision making at the Home Office borders on the abysmal and that relates not only to their decisions but their ability to justify them.

    Secondly, like a broken record, the current rules and principles based on the UN Convention for Refugees means that millions qualify for asylum. We need to change this.
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