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  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,374

    IanB2 said:

    Kemi seems to all over the place today. No clear theme or direction.

    Not at all, she is tying Starmer and his government into knots just as she has been doing recently.

    The Tories are right back in with a sniff of power a lot quicker than people thought. As Reform continue to struggle and dwindle, the Conservative vote share is going to grow and grow, built on the performances of Kemi and her front bench in recent months.
    I think we can file that with your other electoral predictions.
    Most of my electoral predictions have been utter brilliant. The GE would be before summer recess I told you before we even entered 2024. I gave you July 4th weeks before Sunak even thought of it himself. I gave you a Labour front bencher losing in the midst of a Labour landslide at least two years before the election.
    I will add my own. The Conservatives will do significantly better in terms of seats won in 2029 than they did in 2024.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,564
    With McMurdock and Lowe on one naughty step, Zarah Sultana was sat with Jezza and the Indy gang today. The fringe alternatives taking shape
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,531
    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Kemi seems to all over the place today. No clear theme or direction.

    Not at all, she is tying Starmer and his government into knots just as she has been doing recently.

    The Tories are right back in with a sniff of power a lot quicker than people thought. As Reform continue to struggle and dwindle, the Conservative vote share is going to grow and grow, built on the performances of Kemi and her front bench in recent months.
    I think we can file that with your other electoral predictions.
    Most of my electoral predictions have been utter brilliant. The GE would be before summer recess I told you before we even entered 2024. I gave you July 4th weeks before Sunak even thought of it himself. I gave you a Labour front bencher losing in the midst of a Labour landslide at least two years before the election.
    You keep predicting Conservative victories and they keep losing
    Read the Hagakure

    Defeat is the bestest kind of victory. It’s all about the style - merely winning is just for losers.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,374
    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    Congress a rubber stamp ?
    Surely not.

    How the sausage is made: Senate Republicans have no idea how deduction limits on gambling losses got into Trump’s big bill.

    “If you’re asking me how it got in there, no I don’t know,” says Grassley

    “I’m not sure what it does,” Cornyn added

    Both sit on Finance committee

    https://x.com/igorbobic/status/1942689163226022191

    This has flagged by a load of people with serious reach within gambling space as soon as it was inserted.
    And on PB.
    I highlighted at the time, but I have a sneaking suspicion that Senators aren't reading PB....but people in the US who are well known in gambling and have fairly big reach did speak out and were ignored.
    If Senators are not reading PB and are not reading President Trump's Big Beautiful Bill they rubber-stamped, what are they doing? Surely insider trading can't take that much time.
    Banging the intern?
    Not Chuck Grassley, I'd hope.
    Thoughts and prayers for the intern if so...
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,381
    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Kemi seems to all over the place today. No clear theme or direction.

    Not at all, she is tying Starmer and his government into knots just as she has been doing recently.

    The Tories are right back in with a sniff of power a lot quicker than people thought. As Reform continue to struggle and dwindle, the Conservative vote share is going to grow and grow, built on the performances of Kemi and her front bench in recent months.
    What do you base this on, given the recent polls showing the Conservatives around 20% (e.g. the latest one putting them on 19%)?

    I think, based on recent canvassing, that most people have largely given up on politics as a source of helpful developments. There is a vague tendency to try Reform, because they've not been tried before, and otherwise lots of people (like me) who feel the situation is difficult and nobody is offering a realistic and coherent way forward.
    You know politics well Nick, the performances change for the better before the polls follow suit.
    If you just look at the last week or so, Tories are down. If you look a little longer they are just holding their own, if you look back a sensible length of time they are down and out. They are, IMO, about as low as they can be given their irreducible core vote. The rest of the voters are beginning to forget they exist.

    The slightly more interesting movement is that, despite being a total disaster, Labour are holding their own and Reform are drifting down. After the last 12 months for Labour to be within about 5 points of the leader is quite good. For the opposition to be trailing third and sometimes vying for fourth is less good.
    Tell us for the trillionth time how Labour are on course to win the next GE
    Tell us how it can be Reform, with at least 70% of voters out to destroy the Reform candidate in a FPTP election?

    You notice how the Conservative press, Mail, Express, etc have stopped acknowledging Farage existence let alone the cheerleading for him - just like Boris asked them to - and push only for Kemi and the Conservatives?

    When the tide turns it’s time to acknowledge it, and buy your fish and chips.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,218
    Hmm, I think Labour's ditching of zonal pricing will have had a material impact on the SNP's chances next year. Such an obvious weakness for UK Government - not sure why they floated it unless they were going to push it through.

    I'm already getting targeted ads about subsiding the SE with Tartan Turbines.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,344
    edited 12:36PM
    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    Congress a rubber stamp ?
    Surely not.

    How the sausage is made: Senate Republicans have no idea how deduction limits on gambling losses got into Trump’s big bill.

    “If you’re asking me how it got in there, no I don’t know,” says Grassley

    “I’m not sure what it does,” Cornyn added

    Both sit on Finance committee

    https://x.com/igorbobic/status/1942689163226022191

    This has flagged by a load of people with serious reach within gambling space as soon as it was inserted.
    And on PB.
    I highlighted at the time, but I have a sneaking suspicion that Senators aren't reading PB....but people in the US who are well known in gambling and have fairly big reach did speak out and were ignored.
    If Senators are not reading PB and are not reading President Trump's Big Beautiful Bill they rubber-stamped, what are they doing? Surely insider trading can't take that much time.
    Banging the intern?
    Not Chuck Grassley, I'd hope.
    In his case, I imagine just sleeping rather than sleeping with anybody.

    Its is frankly ridiculous that the US have a lower age limit and term limits on role of President, but you can have these senators who are way into their 80s and 90s and 50 years in their seat.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,564

    IanB2 said:

    Kemi seems to all over the place today. No clear theme or direction.

    Not at all, she is tying Starmer and his government into knots just as she has been doing recently.

    The Tories are right back in with a sniff of power a lot quicker than people thought. As Reform continue to struggle and dwindle, the Conservative vote share is going to grow and grow, built on the performances of Kemi and her front bench in recent months.
    I think we can file that with your other electoral predictions.
    Most of my electoral predictions have been utter brilliant. The GE would be before summer recess I told you before we even entered 2024. I gave you July 4th weeks before Sunak even thought of it himself. I gave you a Labour front bencher losing in the midst of a Labour landslide at least two years before the election.
    I will add my own. The Conservatives will do significantly better in terms of seats won in 2029 than they did in 2024.
    If they can get back to 23.7% plus (not a massive leap of faith) they'll do better
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,381

    MattW said:

    Eabhal said:

    A scandal over the Bayeux Tapestry is exactly what this summer is missing. Looking forward to the weekend BBQ and watching England tear itself apart.

    Rest is History specials, a Reform rally at Hastings, Spectator in turmoil. In. My. Veins.

    Why would there be a scandal over the Bayeux Tapestry? Have I missed something?

    Do they object to the Sutton Hoo helmet being lent to France?
    John Redwood has decided it's an insult to the English, as it features scenes of Norman domination. He's a bit late to the story on this one.
    I was in the Con Club with my Dad and there was a lot of bad feeling towards the tapestry gift. Redwood is right, and the English Nation is right behind him on this, Macron and the French are knowingly taking the piss out of us with “le gift”.
    Although the tapestry is complete gibberish in terms of history - no arrow through the eye etc, that’s just victors rewriting history to say God was in their side (and back up by the Pope and his corrupt Catholic money), as art it shouldn’t be destroyed as a lot of protestors want - I don’t think it should come here, it won’t be safe. It won’t go back in one piece and I am sure Macron knows this.

    The historical question being asked is very easy - Normans weren’t franks or French, they were back door Vikings, the type our Saxon Kings gaily slaughtered on the were sniff of the smelly things. Vikings, especially the ones who converted to Christianity for land and money were simply gangsters and racketeers. And not to forget harrowing of the North that was even worse for Yorkshire than what the Labour government is now doing. The the Norman’s did give us English our flag and some other good things that were good.
    History lesson over. Hope that clears all the questions up.
    Is this satire? Can’t tell
    If I asked you “who are the English?” You couldn’t answer. You don’t do history as well as me.

    So, who are the English?
    The people who almost always decide how the UK should be governed.
    Because they are 75% of it. You do the math!
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,803

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    Congress a rubber stamp ?
    Surely not.

    How the sausage is made: Senate Republicans have no idea how deduction limits on gambling losses got into Trump’s big bill.

    “If you’re asking me how it got in there, no I don’t know,” says Grassley

    “I’m not sure what it does,” Cornyn added

    Both sit on Finance committee

    https://x.com/igorbobic/status/1942689163226022191

    This has flagged by a load of people with serious reach within gambling space as soon as it was inserted.
    And on PB.
    I highlighted at the time, but I have a sneaking suspicion that Senators aren't reading PB....but people in the US who are well known in gambling and have fairly big reach did speak out and were ignored.
    If Senators are not reading PB and are not reading President Trump's Big Beautiful Bill they rubber-stamped, what are they doing? Surely insider trading can't take that much time.
    Banging the intern?
    Not Chuck Grassley, I'd hope.
    Thoughts and prayers for the intern if so...
    Could be dangerous for both, might lead to a by-erection.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,788
    Eabhal said:

    Dopermean said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Good morning

    Many individuals should face criminal trials over this scandal, but do we think any will ?

    And on more depressing news both labour and the conservatives make solemn pledges to retain the triple lock which shows just how much serious trouble we are when neither are fit to govern when they put their popularity before doing the right thing

    Where on earth is the leader we need to take the difficult decisions, wean us off spending and borrowing, and take the country away from an inevitable debt crisis

    'Farage fails to guarantee pensions triple lock but vows to axe benefits cap'
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/nigel-farage-keir-starmer-reform-uk-kemi-badenoch-conservatives-b2758529.html

    'Tories will consider means testing pension triple-lock, Badenoch says'
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jan/16/kemi-badenoch-uk-getting-poorer

    Labour have not committed to the triple lock beyond this parliament
    https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/money/labour-issues-new-statement-future-32022276

    Only the LDs of the main UK parties are committed to permanently keeping the triple lock in full
    https://www.libdems.org.uk/news/article/default-f4d399b80ea579afb9686280d29a77d0
    In a couple of years or so, the triple lock will take the state pension up to the level of the basic tax allowance, the latter being frozen (with the freeze hotly expected to be extended). At that point, I suggest something will have to change, to avoid the scenario whereby millions of pensioners whose only income is the state pension suddenly starting to pay tax. Somehow, the state pension and the basic tax allowance will have to be harmonised, and while it might be good news if the tax allowance were indexed to the triple lock, I suspect this will prove unaffordable and therefore the triple lock will have to go.
    That looks like next year, we already know what will happen, pensioners will demand a larger personal tax allowance than everyone else, it's already started https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz74yw87jygo
    Everyone read that article. We. Are. F*****.
    Sorry, if their income exceeds their personal allowance why should they not pay IT? I used to say to my boss in my solicitor days that one of my ambitions in life was to pay CGT. I never have, sadly.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,578
    The BBC news site, and I use the term ‘news’ advisedly, providing sycophantic coverage of the views of an eco loon protester.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8rp3jykvg2o
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,087

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Kemi seems to all over the place today. No clear theme or direction.

    Not at all, she is tying Starmer and his government into knots just as she has been doing recently.

    The Tories are right back in with a sniff of power a lot quicker than people thought. As Reform continue to struggle and dwindle, the Conservative vote share is going to grow and grow, built on the performances of Kemi and her front bench in recent months.
    What do you base this on, given the recent polls showing the Conservatives around 20% (e.g. the latest one putting them on 19%)?

    I think, based on recent canvassing, that most people have largely given up on politics as a source of helpful developments. There is a vague tendency to try Reform, because they've not been tried before, and otherwise lots of people (like me) who feel the situation is difficult and nobody is offering a realistic and coherent way forward.
    You know politics well Nick, the performances change for the better before the polls follow suit.
    If you just look at the last week or so, Tories are down. If you look a little longer they are just holding their own, if you look back a sensible length of time they are down and out. They are, IMO, about as low as they can be given their irreducible core vote. The rest of the voters are beginning to forget they exist.

    The slightly more interesting movement is that, despite being a total disaster, Labour are holding their own and Reform are drifting down. After the last 12 months for Labour to be within about 5 points of the leader is quite good. For the opposition to be trailing third and sometimes vying for fourth is less good.
    Tell us for the trillionth time how Labour are on course to win the next GE
    Tell us how it can be Reform, with at least 70% of voters out to destroy the Reform candidate in a FPTP election?

    You notice how the Conservative press, Mail, Express, etc have stopped acknowledging Farage existence let alone the cheerleading for him - just like Boris asked them to - and push only for Kemi and the Conservatives?

    When the tide turns it’s time to acknowledge it, and buy your fish and chips.
    Reform are a bubble in need of a prick. I reckon they'll find one before GE29. Four years is a long life for an unpricked bubble.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,564

    IanB2 said:

    Kemi seems to all over the place today. No clear theme or direction.

    Not at all, she is tying Starmer and his government into knots just as she has been doing recently.

    The Tories are right back in with a sniff of power a lot quicker than people thought. As Reform continue to struggle and dwindle, the Conservative vote share is going to grow and grow, built on the performances of Kemi and her front bench in recent months.
    I think we can file that with your other electoral predictions.
    Most of my electoral predictions have been utter brilliant. The GE would be before summer recess I told you before we even entered 2024. I gave you July 4th weeks before Sunak even thought of it himself. I gave you a Labour front bencher losing in the midst of a Labour landslide at least two years before the election.
    I will add my own. The Conservatives will do significantly better in terms of seats won in 2029 than they did in 2024.
    Ill add one. James McMurdock will have joined Restore Britain by conference season
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,094
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Kemi seems to all over the place today. No clear theme or direction.

    Not at all, she is tying Starmer and his government into knots just as she has been doing recently.

    The Tories are right back in with a sniff of power a lot quicker than people thought. As Reform continue to struggle and dwindle, the Conservative vote share is going to grow and grow, built on the performances of Kemi and her front bench in recent months.
    What do you base this on, given the recent polls showing the Conservatives around 20% (e.g. the latest one putting them on 19%)?

    I think, based on recent canvassing, that most people have largely given up on politics as a source of helpful developments. There is a vague tendency to try Reform, because they've not been tried before, and otherwise lots of people (like me) who feel the situation is difficult and nobody is offering a realistic and coherent way forward.
    You know politics well Nick, the performances change for the better before the polls follow suit.
    If you just look at the last week or so, Tories are down. If you look a little longer they are just holding their own, if you look back a sensible length of time they are down and out. They are, IMO, about as low as they can be given their irreducible core vote. The rest of the voters are beginning to forget they exist.

    The slightly more interesting movement is that, despite being a total disaster, Labour are holding their own and Reform are drifting down. After the last 12 months for Labour to be within about 5 points of the leader is quite good. For the opposition to be trailing third and sometimes vying for fourth is less good.
    Tell us for the trillionth time how Labour are on course to win the next GE
    Tell us how it can be Reform, with at least 70% of voters out to destroy the Reform candidate in a FPTP election?

    You notice how the Conservative press, Mail, Express, etc have stopped acknowledging Farage existence let alone the cheerleading for him - just like Boris asked them to - and push only for Kemi and the Conservatives?

    When the tide turns it’s time to acknowledge it, and buy your fish and chips.
    Reform are a bubble in need of a prick. I reckon they'll find one before GE29. Four years is a long life for an unpricked bubble.
    That's one thing they aren't short of already
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,065

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Kemi seems to all over the place today. No clear theme or direction.

    Not at all, she is tying Starmer and his government into knots just as she has been doing recently.

    The Tories are right back in with a sniff of power a lot quicker than people thought. As Reform continue to struggle and dwindle, the Conservative vote share is going to grow and grow, built on the performances of Kemi and her front bench in recent months.
    What do you base this on, given the recent polls showing the Conservatives around 20% (e.g. the latest one putting them on 19%)?

    I think, based on recent canvassing, that most people have largely given up on politics as a source of helpful developments. There is a vague tendency to try Reform, because they've not been tried before, and otherwise lots of people (like me) who feel the situation is difficult and nobody is offering a realistic and coherent way forward.
    You know politics well Nick, the performances change for the better before the polls follow suit.
    If you just look at the last week or so, Tories are down. If you look a little longer they are just holding their own, if you look back a sensible length of time they are down and out. They are, IMO, about as low as they can be given their irreducible core vote. The rest of the voters are beginning to forget they exist.

    The slightly more interesting movement is that, despite being a total disaster, Labour are holding their own and Reform are drifting down. After the last 12 months for Labour to be within about 5 points of the leader is quite good. For the opposition to be trailing third and sometimes vying for fourth is less good.
    Tell us for the trillionth time how Labour are on course to win the next GE
    Tell us how it can be Reform, with at least 70% of voters out to destroy the Reform candidate in a FPTP election?

    You notice how the Conservative press, Mail, Express, etc have stopped acknowledging Farage existence let alone the cheerleading for him - just like Boris asked them to - and push only for Kemi and the Conservatives?

    When the tide turns it’s time to acknowledge it, and buy your fish and chips.
    Currently, 75% are anti-Labour, and 81% are anti-Conservative. In such an environment, the party that is opposed by 70% wins.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,564
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Kemi seems to all over the place today. No clear theme or direction.

    Not at all, she is tying Starmer and his government into knots just as she has been doing recently.

    The Tories are right back in with a sniff of power a lot quicker than people thought. As Reform continue to struggle and dwindle, the Conservative vote share is going to grow and grow, built on the performances of Kemi and her front bench in recent months.
    What do you base this on, given the recent polls showing the Conservatives around 20% (e.g. the latest one putting them on 19%)?

    I think, based on recent canvassing, that most people have largely given up on politics as a source of helpful developments. There is a vague tendency to try Reform, because they've not been tried before, and otherwise lots of people (like me) who feel the situation is difficult and nobody is offering a realistic and coherent way forward.
    You know politics well Nick, the performances change for the better before the polls follow suit.
    If you just look at the last week or so, Tories are down. If you look a little longer they are just holding their own, if you look back a sensible length of time they are down and out. They are, IMO, about as low as they can be given their irreducible core vote. The rest of the voters are beginning to forget they exist.

    The slightly more interesting movement is that, despite being a total disaster, Labour are holding their own and Reform are drifting down. After the last 12 months for Labour to be within about 5 points of the leader is quite good. For the opposition to be trailing third and sometimes vying for fourth is less good.
    Tell us for the trillionth time how Labour are on course to win the next GE
    Tell us how it can be Reform, with at least 70% of voters out to destroy the Reform candidate in a FPTP election?

    You notice how the Conservative press, Mail, Express, etc have stopped acknowledging Farage existence let alone the cheerleading for him - just like Boris asked them to - and push only for Kemi and the Conservatives?

    When the tide turns it’s time to acknowledge it, and buy your fish and chips.
    Reform are a bubble in need of a prick. I reckon they'll find one before GE29. Four years is a long life for an unpricked bubble.
    Anderson and Farage falling out would do it
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,803
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Kemi seems to all over the place today. No clear theme or direction.

    Not at all, she is tying Starmer and his government into knots just as she has been doing recently.

    The Tories are right back in with a sniff of power a lot quicker than people thought. As Reform continue to struggle and dwindle, the Conservative vote share is going to grow and grow, built on the performances of Kemi and her front bench in recent months.
    What do you base this on, given the recent polls showing the Conservatives around 20% (e.g. the latest one putting them on 19%)?

    I think, based on recent canvassing, that most people have largely given up on politics as a source of helpful developments. There is a vague tendency to try Reform, because they've not been tried before, and otherwise lots of people (like me) who feel the situation is difficult and nobody is offering a realistic and coherent way forward.
    You know politics well Nick, the performances change for the better before the polls follow suit.
    If you just look at the last week or so, Tories are down. If you look a little longer they are just holding their own, if you look back a sensible length of time they are down and out. They are, IMO, about as low as they can be given their irreducible core vote. The rest of the voters are beginning to forget they exist.

    The slightly more interesting movement is that, despite being a total disaster, Labour are holding their own and Reform are drifting down. After the last 12 months for Labour to be within about 5 points of the leader is quite good. For the opposition to be trailing third and sometimes vying for fourth is less good.
    Tell us for the trillionth time how Labour are on course to win the next GE
    Tell us how it can be Reform, with at least 70% of voters out to destroy the Reform candidate in a FPTP election?

    You notice how the Conservative press, Mail, Express, etc have stopped acknowledging Farage existence let alone the cheerleading for him - just like Boris asked them to - and push only for Kemi and the Conservatives?

    When the tide turns it’s time to acknowledge it, and buy your fish and chips.
    Reform are a bubble in need of a prick. I reckon they'll find one before GE29. Four years is a long life for an unpricked bubble.
    I thought they already have Lee Anderson?
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,949

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1942896468743893021?s=19

    Starmers PM job satisfaction figures have moved well below Labour's voting intention. Shields buckling, captain

    Starmer had a bad June. Whilst Labour hasn't yet consequently followed his slide, it may still have a bad July.
    It's the hope that will kill you. Replace hope with reality, RefCon just shy of 50%.

    Mind you a party of Government one year in averaging around 22/23% is unprecedentedly bad.
    The hope that will kill is that the Conservative Party will be dead by the next election in four years time.

    They are political cockroaches. As history shows. You think they are dead. But they are alive and well under your fridge...
    Or, in Boris's case, in your fridge.
  • Eabhal said:

    Hmm, I think Labour's ditching of zonal pricing will have had a material impact on the SNP's chances next year. Such an obvious weakness for UK Government - not sure why they floated it unless they were going to push it through.

    I'm already getting targeted ads about subsiding the SE with Tartan Turbines.

    It's a huge f-you to Scotland. "You guys with all the wind turbines? Just keep paying London prices for your electricity, kthxbye!"

    Miliband is so dumb he's an actual menace.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,254
    edited 12:50PM

    MattW said:

    Eabhal said:

    A scandal over the Bayeux Tapestry is exactly what this summer is missing. Looking forward to the weekend BBQ and watching England tear itself apart.

    Rest is History specials, a Reform rally at Hastings, Spectator in turmoil. In. My. Veins.

    Why would there be a scandal over the Bayeux Tapestry? Have I missed something?

    Do they object to the Sutton Hoo helmet being lent to France?
    John Redwood has decided it's an insult to the English, as it features scenes of Norman domination. He's a bit late to the story on this one.
    I was in the Con Club with my Dad and there was a lot of bad feeling towards the tapestry gift. Redwood is right, and the English Nation is right behind him on this, Macron and the French are knowingly taking the piss out of us with “le gift”.
    Although the tapestry is complete gibberish in terms of history - no arrow through the eye etc, that’s just victors rewriting history to say God was in their side (and back up by the Pope and his corrupt Catholic money), as art it shouldn’t be destroyed as a lot of protestors want - I don’t think it should come here, it won’t be safe. It won’t go back in one piece and I am sure Macron knows this.

    The historical question being asked is very easy - Normans weren’t franks or French, they were back door Vikings, the type our Saxon Kings gaily slaughtered on the were sniff of the smelly things. Vikings, especially the ones who converted to Christianity for land and money were simply gangsters and racketeers. And not to forget harrowing of the North that was even worse for Yorkshire than what the Labour government is now doing. The the Norman’s did give us English our flag and some other good things that were good.
    History lesson over. Hope that clears all the questions up.
    Is this satire? Can’t tell
    If I asked you “who are the English?” You couldn’t answer. You don’t do history as well as me.

    So, who are the English?
    The people who almost always decide how the UK should be governed.
    Because they are 75% of it. You do the math!
    Closer to 85%, but in any case you wanted an answer and that’s certainly one if one was looking for someone to blame for a succession of great British clusterfucks.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,578

    MattW said:

    Eabhal said:

    A scandal over the Bayeux Tapestry is exactly what this summer is missing. Looking forward to the weekend BBQ and watching England tear itself apart.

    Rest is History specials, a Reform rally at Hastings, Spectator in turmoil. In. My. Veins.

    Why would there be a scandal over the Bayeux Tapestry? Have I missed something?

    Do they object to the Sutton Hoo helmet being lent to France?
    John Redwood has decided it's an insult to the English, as it features scenes of Norman domination. He's a bit late to the story on this one.
    I was in the Con Club with my Dad and there was a lot of bad feeling towards the tapestry gift. Redwood is right, and the English Nation is right behind him on this, Macron and the French are knowingly taking the piss out of us with “le gift”.
    Although the tapestry is complete gibberish in terms of history - no arrow through the eye etc, that’s just victors rewriting history to say God was in their side (and back up by the Pope and his corrupt Catholic money), as art it shouldn’t be destroyed as a lot of protestors want - I don’t think it should come here, it won’t be safe. It won’t go back in one piece and I am sure Macron knows this.

    The historical question being asked is very easy - Normans weren’t franks or French, they were back door Vikings, the type our Saxon Kings gaily slaughtered on the were sniff of the smelly things. Vikings, especially the ones who converted to Christianity for land and money were simply gangsters and racketeers. And not to forget harrowing of the North that was even worse for Yorkshire than what the Labour government is now doing. The the Norman’s did give us English our flag and some other good things that were good.
    History lesson over. Hope that clears all the questions up.
    Is this satire? Can’t tell
    If I asked you “who are the English?” You couldn’t answer. You don’t do history as well as me.

    So, who are the English?
    The people who almost always decide how the UK should be governed.
    Because they are 75% of it. You do the math!
    Maths, FFS.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,094
    edited 12:54PM
    I'm now on the beach, in a little cove off the Norwegian Sea. When I turned up there were only a couple of campers packing up their stuff, but now families are arriving and a few people are bravely venturing into the sea - the water is freezing; helpfully curative for my sprained ankle; but the air temp is probably 17, and with only a few wispy high clouds and little wind, it feels warmer in the sun. I doubt days like this come along very often right up here. Peak temperature today is forecast for 8-9 pm, as the sun doesn't set until nearly 1 am.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,218
    edited 12:56PM

    Eabhal said:

    Hmm, I think Labour's ditching of zonal pricing will have had a material impact on the SNP's chances next year. Such an obvious weakness for UK Government - not sure why they floated it unless they were going to push it through.

    I'm already getting targeted ads about subsiding the SE with Tartan Turbines.

    It's a huge f-you to Scotland. "You guys with all the wind turbines? Just keep paying London prices for your electricity, kthxbye!"

    Miliband is so dumb he's an actual menace.
    We generated about 180% of our electricity consumption last year, just from renewables. The danger is Miliband ends up pissing off everyone - fossil fuel oddballs and mad greens alike.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,768

    Andy_JS said:

    Luke Tryl
    @LukeTryl

    ➡️ REF UK 29% (nc)
    🌹 LAB 24% (nc)
    🌳 CON 19% (nc)
    🔶 LIB DEM 14% (+2)
    🌍 GREEN 7% (-2)
    🟡 SNP 3% (nc)

    N = 2,084 | Dates:4 - 7/7 | Change w 30/6"

    https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1942848128119677033

    Baxter:

    RefUK 321
    Lab 164
    LD 66
    Con 46
    SNP 24
    PC 4
    Grn 2
    Others 23

    This,looks like the definition of a snooze summer poll. I can almost hear them doing the research from their deckchairs.
    So on that poll Farage could form a minority government with DUP and TUV confidence and supply without needing the Tories
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,087
    IanB2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Kemi seems to all over the place today. No clear theme or direction.

    Not at all, she is tying Starmer and his government into knots just as she has been doing recently.

    The Tories are right back in with a sniff of power a lot quicker than people thought. As Reform continue to struggle and dwindle, the Conservative vote share is going to grow and grow, built on the performances of Kemi and her front bench in recent months.
    What do you base this on, given the recent polls showing the Conservatives around 20% (e.g. the latest one putting them on 19%)?

    I think, based on recent canvassing, that most people have largely given up on politics as a source of helpful developments. There is a vague tendency to try Reform, because they've not been tried before, and otherwise lots of people (like me) who feel the situation is difficult and nobody is offering a realistic and coherent way forward.
    You know politics well Nick, the performances change for the better before the polls follow suit.
    If you just look at the last week or so, Tories are down. If you look a little longer they are just holding their own, if you look back a sensible length of time they are down and out. They are, IMO, about as low as they can be given their irreducible core vote. The rest of the voters are beginning to forget they exist.

    The slightly more interesting movement is that, despite being a total disaster, Labour are holding their own and Reform are drifting down. After the last 12 months for Labour to be within about 5 points of the leader is quite good. For the opposition to be trailing third and sometimes vying for fourth is less good.
    Tell us for the trillionth time how Labour are on course to win the next GE
    Tell us how it can be Reform, with at least 70% of voters out to destroy the Reform candidate in a FPTP election?

    You notice how the Conservative press, Mail, Express, etc have stopped acknowledging Farage existence let alone the cheerleading for him - just like Boris asked them to - and push only for Kemi and the Conservatives?

    When the tide turns it’s time to acknowledge it, and buy your fish and chips.
    Reform are a bubble in need of a prick. I reckon they'll find one before GE29. Four years is a long life for an unpricked bubble.
    That's one thing they aren't short of already
    Lol, your goal, my assist.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,065
    DavidL said:

    The alarming aspect of this particular scandal is the corruption and deliberate misleading of our courts and the failure of the court system to spot it. This failure undermines the rule of law in a very serious way. If we can't rely on the courts to get to the truth who can we rely on?

    That's my view but I, like @Cyclefree, am a lawyer so maybe that aspect is overly prominent in my mind and maybe non lawyers don't quite see it that way.

    The story on Today this morning was mainly about the blood scandal but the description of how the compensatory schemes have completely failed to work was so similar that it was easy to get confused between the two. What is plainly required in both cases is immediate interim payments that are substantial enough to let people start re building their lives. If we end up slightly over paying in some cases that is simply too bad. I was shocked and appalled that the claims for the blood victims die with them, they do not form a part of their estate. And hundreds have died. It has been used before on this thread but for shame. For shame in our name.

    People dying before they can recover compensation is a feature, not a bug, of these compensation schemes.

    We are governed by people who, mostly, do not give a flying f*ck about the average citizen.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,254

    Eabhal said:

    Hmm, I think Labour's ditching of zonal pricing will have had a material impact on the SNP's chances next year. Such an obvious weakness for UK Government - not sure why they floated it unless they were going to push it through.

    I'm already getting targeted ads about subsiding the SE with Tartan Turbines.

    It's a huge f-you to Scotland. "You guys with all the wind turbines? Just keep paying London prices for your electricity, kthxbye!"

    Miliband is so dumb he's an actual menace.
    *higher than London prices.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,768
    edited 1:01PM
    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Kemi seems to all over the place today. No clear theme or direction.

    Not at all, she is tying Starmer and his government into knots just as she has been doing recently.

    The Tories are right back in with a sniff of power a lot quicker than people thought. As Reform continue to struggle and dwindle, the Conservative vote share is going to grow and grow, built on the performances of Kemi and her front bench in recent months.
    What do you base this on, given the recent polls showing the Conservatives around 20% (e.g. the latest one putting them on 19%)?

    I think, based on recent canvassing, that most people have largely given up on politics as a source of helpful developments. There is a vague tendency to try Reform, because they've not been tried before, and otherwise lots of people (like me) who feel the situation is difficult and nobody is offering a realistic and coherent way forward.
    You know politics well Nick, the performances change for the better before the polls follow suit.
    If you just look at the last week or so, Tories are down. If you look a little longer they are just holding their own, if you look back a sensible length of time they are down and out. They are, IMO, about as low as they can be given their irreducible core vote. The rest of the voters are beginning to forget they exist.

    The slightly more interesting movement is that, despite being a total disaster, Labour are holding their own and Reform are drifting down. After the last 12 months for Labour to be within about 5 points of the leader is quite good. For the opposition to be trailing third and sometimes vying for fourth is less good.
    Tell us for the trillionth time how Labour are on course to win the next GE
    Tell us how it can be Reform, with at least 70% of voters out to destroy the Reform candidate in a FPTP election?

    You notice how the Conservative press, Mail, Express, etc have stopped acknowledging Farage existence let alone the cheerleading for him - just like Boris asked them to - and push only for Kemi and the Conservatives?

    When the tide turns it’s time to acknowledge it, and buy your fish and chips.
    Currently, 75% are anti-Labour, and 81% are anti-Conservative. In such an environment, the party that is opposed by 70% wins.
    58% of LD voters would tactically vote Labour in a Labour held marginal seat to defeat Reform, as would 55% of Green voters and even 10% of Tory voters.

    22% of Labour, 33% of LD and even 11% of Green voters would tactically vote Conservative in a Tory held marginal seat to keep out Reform
    https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/51713-is-tactical-voting-more-of-a-threat-or-opportunity-for-reform-uk
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,445

    Eabhal said:

    Hmm, I think Labour's ditching of zonal pricing will have had a material impact on the SNP's chances next year. Such an obvious weakness for UK Government - not sure why they floated it unless they were going to push it through.

    I'm already getting targeted ads about subsiding the SE with Tartan Turbines.

    It's a huge f-you to Scotland. "You guys with all the wind turbines? Just keep paying London prices for your electricity, kthxbye!"

    Miliband is so dumb he's an actual menace.
    Although if you want regional prices for electricity etc can we have regional pricing for post? Why is it the same to post Warminster to Wick as it is Warminster to Frome?
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,861
    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Luke Tryl
    @LukeTryl

    ➡️ REF UK 29% (nc)
    🌹 LAB 24% (nc)
    🌳 CON 19% (nc)
    🔶 LIB DEM 14% (+2)
    🌍 GREEN 7% (-2)
    🟡 SNP 3% (nc)

    N = 2,084 | Dates:4 - 7/7 | Change w 30/6"

    https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1942848128119677033

    Baxter:

    RefUK 321
    Lab 164
    LD 66
    Con 46
    SNP 24
    PC 4
    Grn 2
    Others 23

    This,looks like the definition of a snooze summer poll. I can almost hear them doing the research from their deckchairs.
    So on that poll Farage could form a minority government with DUP and TUV confidence and supply without needing the Tories
    That would be the first time Labour and Conservative MPs have sat together on the Opposition benches.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,254

    Eabhal said:

    Hmm, I think Labour's ditching of zonal pricing will have had a material impact on the SNP's chances next year. Such an obvious weakness for UK Government - not sure why they floated it unless they were going to push it through.

    I'm already getting targeted ads about subsiding the SE with Tartan Turbines.

    It's a huge f-you to Scotland. "You guys with all the wind turbines? Just keep paying London prices for your electricity, kthxbye!"

    Miliband is so dumb he's an actual menace.
    Although if you want regional prices for electricity etc can we have regional pricing for post? Why is it the same to post Warminster to Wick as it is Warminster to Frome?
    Lots of companies charge extra for delivery north of the central belt.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,068
    Sky

    Trump to visit UK in the coming weeks

    Obviously timed for HOC recess and public away on holidays

    Mind you, as with anything Trump who knows?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,564
    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Luke Tryl
    @LukeTryl

    ➡️ REF UK 29% (nc)
    🌹 LAB 24% (nc)
    🌳 CON 19% (nc)
    🔶 LIB DEM 14% (+2)
    🌍 GREEN 7% (-2)
    🟡 SNP 3% (nc)

    N = 2,084 | Dates:4 - 7/7 | Change w 30/6"

    https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1942848128119677033

    Baxter:

    RefUK 321
    Lab 164
    LD 66
    Con 46
    SNP 24
    PC 4
    Grn 2
    Others 23

    This,looks like the definition of a snooze summer poll. I can almost hear them doing the research from their deckchairs.
    So on that poll Farage could form a minority government with DUP and TUV confidence and supply without needing the Tories
    That would be the first time Labour and Conservative MPs have sat together on the Opposition benches.
    1906? 1910?
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,882
    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Kemi seems to all over the place today. No clear theme or direction.

    Not at all, she is tying Starmer and his government into knots just as she has been doing recently.

    The Tories are right back in with a sniff of power a lot quicker than people thought. As Reform continue to struggle and dwindle, the Conservative vote share is going to grow and grow, built on the performances of Kemi and her front bench in recent months.
    What do you base this on, given the recent polls showing the Conservatives around 20% (e.g. the latest one putting them on 19%)?

    I think, based on recent canvassing, that most people have largely given up on politics as a source of helpful developments. There is a vague tendency to try Reform, because they've not been tried before, and otherwise lots of people (like me) who feel the situation is difficult and nobody is offering a realistic and coherent way forward.
    You know politics well Nick, the performances change for the better before the polls follow suit.
    If you just look at the last week or so, Tories are down. If you look a little longer they are just holding their own, if you look back a sensible length of time they are down and out. They are, IMO, about as low as they can be given their irreducible core vote. The rest of the voters are beginning to forget they exist.

    The slightly more interesting movement is that, despite being a total disaster, Labour are holding their own and Reform are drifting down. After the last 12 months for Labour to be within about 5 points of the leader is quite good. For the opposition to be trailing third and sometimes vying for fourth is less good.
    Tell us for the trillionth time how Labour are on course to win the next GE
    Thanks for the invitation; however it needs nuancing. Labour are, with Reform, joint faves for most seats. I think there is a more than 50% chance of a Labour government from 2029. The signs of a Tory recovery are small. The chance of a Reform bust are more than small. The proportion of people in it who are dim lunatics with personality problems who hate large chunks of the human race is greater than needed for comfort.There are four years to go. It is hard, though possible, to imagine Labour being worse than they are now. Easy to imagine Reform coming unstuck either by personalities, moving to the social democrat centre, as they have to, or being taken over by the hard right (which Farage is keen to avoid).

    'To the least worst, the spoils'. Labour edge it, for a Bleak House (of Commons) in Hard Times.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,065
    HYUFD said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Kemi seems to all over the place today. No clear theme or direction.

    Not at all, she is tying Starmer and his government into knots just as she has been doing recently.

    The Tories are right back in with a sniff of power a lot quicker than people thought. As Reform continue to struggle and dwindle, the Conservative vote share is going to grow and grow, built on the performances of Kemi and her front bench in recent months.
    What do you base this on, given the recent polls showing the Conservatives around 20% (e.g. the latest one putting them on 19%)?

    I think, based on recent canvassing, that most people have largely given up on politics as a source of helpful developments. There is a vague tendency to try Reform, because they've not been tried before, and otherwise lots of people (like me) who feel the situation is difficult and nobody is offering a realistic and coherent way forward.
    You know politics well Nick, the performances change for the better before the polls follow suit.
    If you just look at the last week or so, Tories are down. If you look a little longer they are just holding their own, if you look back a sensible length of time they are down and out. They are, IMO, about as low as they can be given their irreducible core vote. The rest of the voters are beginning to forget they exist.

    The slightly more interesting movement is that, despite being a total disaster, Labour are holding their own and Reform are drifting down. After the last 12 months for Labour to be within about 5 points of the leader is quite good. For the opposition to be trailing third and sometimes vying for fourth is less good.
    Tell us for the trillionth time how Labour are on course to win the next GE
    Tell us how it can be Reform, with at least 70% of voters out to destroy the Reform candidate in a FPTP election?

    You notice how the Conservative press, Mail, Express, etc have stopped acknowledging Farage existence let alone the cheerleading for him - just like Boris asked them to - and push only for Kemi and the Conservatives?

    When the tide turns it’s time to acknowledge it, and buy your fish and chips.
    Currently, 75% are anti-Labour, and 81% are anti-Conservative. In such an environment, the party that is opposed by 70% wins.
    58% of LD voters would tactically vote Labour in a Labour held marginal seat to defeat Reform, as would 55% of Green voters and even 10% of Tory voters.

    22% of Labour, 33% of LD and even 11% of Green voters would tactically vote Conservative in a Tory held marginal seat to keep out Reform
    https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/51713-is-tactical-voting-more-of-a-threat-or-opportunity-for-reform-uk
    But, 50% of Conservatives would vote Reform to beat Labour.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,218
    edited 1:09PM

    Eabhal said:

    Hmm, I think Labour's ditching of zonal pricing will have had a material impact on the SNP's chances next year. Such an obvious weakness for UK Government - not sure why they floated it unless they were going to push it through.

    I'm already getting targeted ads about subsiding the SE with Tartan Turbines.

    It's a huge f-you to Scotland. "You guys with all the wind turbines? Just keep paying London prices for your electricity, kthxbye!"

    Miliband is so dumb he's an actual menace.
    Although if you want regional prices for electricity etc can we have regional pricing for post? Why is it the same to post Warminster to Wick as it is Warminster to Frome?
    So speaks someone without an IV postcode. People in the Highlands and Islands already get charged extra - it's quite a big local politics issue.

    The exception is Royal Mail.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,091
    .

    Eabhal said:

    Hmm, I think Labour's ditching of zonal pricing will have had a material impact on the SNP's chances next year. Such an obvious weakness for UK Government - not sure why they floated it unless they were going to push it through.

    I'm already getting targeted ads about subsiding the SE with Tartan Turbines.

    It's a huge f-you to Scotland. "You guys with all the wind turbines? Just keep paying London prices for your electricity, kthxbye!"

    Miliband is so dumb he's an actual menace.
    Fell for big business lobbying.
    Which for a self-proclaimed socialist ought to be downright embarrassing.

    They don't care as they're getting premium prices for cheap electricity, and get paid for the surplus which can't be used.

    I get that the transition to zonal pricing would necessarily be difficult. But to simply abandon it is pitiful stuff.
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 1,076

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Luke Tryl
    @LukeTryl

    ➡️ REF UK 29% (nc)
    🌹 LAB 24% (nc)
    🌳 CON 19% (nc)
    🔶 LIB DEM 14% (+2)
    🌍 GREEN 7% (-2)
    🟡 SNP 3% (nc)

    N = 2,084 | Dates:4 - 7/7 | Change w 30/6"

    https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1942848128119677033

    Baxter:

    RefUK 321
    Lab 164
    LD 66
    Con 46
    SNP 24
    PC 4
    Grn 2
    Others 23

    This,looks like the definition of a snooze summer poll. I can almost hear them doing the research from their deckchairs.
    So on that poll Farage could form a minority government with DUP and TUV confidence and supply without needing the Tories
    That would be the first time Labour and Conservative MPs have sat together on the Opposition benches.
    1906? 1910?
    Probably not as I think Labour sat with the Liberals due to their electoral and Parliamentary pact.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,247

    Eabhal said:

    Hmm, I think Labour's ditching of zonal pricing will have had a material impact on the SNP's chances next year. Such an obvious weakness for UK Government - not sure why they floated it unless they were going to push it through.

    I'm already getting targeted ads about subsiding the SE with Tartan Turbines.

    It's a huge f-you to Scotland. "You guys with all the wind turbines? Just keep paying London prices for your electricity, kthxbye!"

    Miliband is so dumb he's an actual menace.
    Zonal pricing would be hugely unpopular everywhere apart from Scotland and Wales, though it might shock English nimbys into not opposing power lines and wind farms.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,564
    Stereodog said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Luke Tryl
    @LukeTryl

    ➡️ REF UK 29% (nc)
    🌹 LAB 24% (nc)
    🌳 CON 19% (nc)
    🔶 LIB DEM 14% (+2)
    🌍 GREEN 7% (-2)
    🟡 SNP 3% (nc)

    N = 2,084 | Dates:4 - 7/7 | Change w 30/6"

    https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1942848128119677033

    Baxter:

    RefUK 321
    Lab 164
    LD 66
    Con 46
    SNP 24
    PC 4
    Grn 2
    Others 23

    This,looks like the definition of a snooze summer poll. I can almost hear them doing the research from their deckchairs.
    So on that poll Farage could form a minority government with DUP and TUV confidence and supply without needing the Tories
    That would be the first time Labour and Conservative MPs have sat together on the Opposition benches.
    1906? 1910?
    Probably not as I think Labour sat with the Liberals due to their electoral and Parliamentary pact.
    They weren't all Lib-Labbers, about half took the Labour whip and sat in opposition, the other half took the Liberal whip on the govt benches
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,091
    DavidL said:

    The alarming aspect of this particular scandal is the corruption and deliberate misleading of our courts and the failure of the court system to spot it. This failure undermines the rule of law in a very serious way. If we can't rely on the courts to get to the truth who can we rely on?

    That's my view but I, like @Cyclefree, am a lawyer so maybe that aspect is overly prominent in my mind and maybe non lawyers don't quite see it that way.

    The story on Today this morning was mainly about the blood scandal but the description of how the compensatory schemes have completely failed to work was so similar that it was easy to get confused between the two. What is plainly required in both cases is immediate interim payments that are substantial enough to let people start re building their lives. If we end up slightly over paying in some cases that is simply too bad. I was shocked and appalled that the claims for the blood victims die with them, they do not form a part of their estate. And hundreds have died. It has been used before on this thread but for shame. For shame in our name.

    That was a calculus which was already clear, way back, when Thatcher was still PM. It's never really changed, just that the details have become more blatant.
    A black mark on Ken Clarke's career.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,768
    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Hmm, I think Labour's ditching of zonal pricing will have had a material impact on the SNP's chances next year. Such an obvious weakness for UK Government - not sure why they floated it unless they were going to push it through.

    I'm already getting targeted ads about subsiding the SE with Tartan Turbines.

    It's a huge f-you to Scotland. "You guys with all the wind turbines? Just keep paying London prices for your electricity, kthxbye!"

    Miliband is so dumb he's an actual menace.
    Although if you want regional prices for electricity etc can we have regional pricing for post? Why is it the same to post Warminster to Wick as it is Warminster to Frome?
    So speaks someone without an IV postcode. People in the Highlands and Islands already get charged extra - it's quite a big local politics issue.

    The exception is Royal Mail.
    Indeed the universal service and its extensive rural and small town network is the main benefit of retaining Royal Mail
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,768
    edited 1:15PM
    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Kemi seems to all over the place today. No clear theme or direction.

    Not at all, she is tying Starmer and his government into knots just as she has been doing recently.

    The Tories are right back in with a sniff of power a lot quicker than people thought. As Reform continue to struggle and dwindle, the Conservative vote share is going to grow and grow, built on the performances of Kemi and her front bench in recent months.
    What do you base this on, given the recent polls showing the Conservatives around 20% (e.g. the latest one putting them on 19%)?

    I think, based on recent canvassing, that most people have largely given up on politics as a source of helpful developments. There is a vague tendency to try Reform, because they've not been tried before, and otherwise lots of people (like me) who feel the situation is difficult and nobody is offering a realistic and coherent way forward.
    You know politics well Nick, the performances change for the better before the polls follow suit.
    If you just look at the last week or so, Tories are down. If you look a little longer they are just holding their own, if you look back a sensible length of time they are down and out. They are, IMO, about as low as they can be given their irreducible core vote. The rest of the voters are beginning to forget they exist.

    The slightly more interesting movement is that, despite being a total disaster, Labour are holding their own and Reform are drifting down. After the last 12 months for Labour to be within about 5 points of the leader is quite good. For the opposition to be trailing third and sometimes vying for fourth is less good.
    Tell us for the trillionth time how Labour are on course to win the next GE
    Tell us how it can be Reform, with at least 70% of voters out to destroy the Reform candidate in a FPTP election?

    You notice how the Conservative press, Mail, Express, etc have stopped acknowledging Farage existence let alone the cheerleading for him - just like Boris asked them to - and push only for Kemi and the Conservatives?

    When the tide turns it’s time to acknowledge it, and buy your fish and chips.
    Currently, 75% are anti-Labour, and 81% are anti-Conservative. In such an environment, the party that is opposed by 70% wins.
    58% of LD voters would tactically vote Labour in a Labour held marginal seat to defeat Reform, as would 55% of Green voters and even 10% of Tory voters.

    22% of Labour, 33% of LD and even 11% of Green voters would tactically vote Conservative in a Tory held marginal seat to keep out Reform
    https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/51713-is-tactical-voting-more-of-a-threat-or-opportunity-for-reform-uk
    But, 50% of Conservatives would vote Reform to beat Labour.
    Still less than the percentage of LD and Green voters tactically voting and of course in Tory v Reform seats Tory voters would stay Tory
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,148
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Good morning

    Many individuals should face criminal trials over this scandal, but do we think any will ?

    And on more depressing news both labour and the conservatives make solemn pledges to retain the triple lock which shows just how much serious trouble we are when neither are fit to govern when they put their popularity before doing the right thing

    Where on earth is the leader we need to take the difficult decisions, wean us off spending and borrowing, and take the country away from an inevitable debt crisis

    'Farage fails to guarantee pensions triple lock but vows to axe benefits cap'
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/nigel-farage-keir-starmer-reform-uk-kemi-badenoch-conservatives-b2758529.html

    'Tories will consider means testing pension triple-lock, Badenoch says'
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jan/16/kemi-badenoch-uk-getting-poorer

    Labour have not committed to the triple lock beyond this parliament
    https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/money/labour-issues-new-statement-future-32022276

    Only the LDs of the main UK parties are committed to permanently keeping the triple lock in full
    https://www.libdems.org.uk/news/article/default-f4d399b80ea579afb9686280d29a77d0
    In a couple of years or so, the triple lock will take the state pension up to the level of the basic tax allowance, the latter being frozen (with the freeze hotly expected to be extended). At that point, I suggest something will have to change, to avoid the scenario whereby millions of pensioners whose only income is the state pension suddenly starting to pay tax. Somehow, the state pension and the basic tax allowance will have to be harmonised, and while it might be good news if the tax allowance were indexed to the triple lock, I suspect this will prove unaffordable and therefore the triple lock will have to go.
    I don't believe anyone can just be on state pension, they would be eligible for pension credits and all sorts of stuff. Benefits should be taxable for sure , people getting thousands a month on top of free housing and don't pay a penny in tax. Some mug working for £15K gets taxed , unbelievable.
    If you are receiving full state pension you won't get pension credit, or help with council tax, or water, or energy.
    Surprised me for sure, and yet morons like Bart simpson want to tax them and make them pay NI and university fees.
    I want everyone earning the same income to pay the same tax rate, yes.

    Why should those working for a living be paying a higher rate of tax than those who are not? Throwing the word moron about is not an answer.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,218
    HYUFD said:

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Hmm, I think Labour's ditching of zonal pricing will have had a material impact on the SNP's chances next year. Such an obvious weakness for UK Government - not sure why they floated it unless they were going to push it through.

    I'm already getting targeted ads about subsiding the SE with Tartan Turbines.

    It's a huge f-you to Scotland. "You guys with all the wind turbines? Just keep paying London prices for your electricity, kthxbye!"

    Miliband is so dumb he's an actual menace.
    Although if you want regional prices for electricity etc can we have regional pricing for post? Why is it the same to post Warminster to Wick as it is Warminster to Frome?
    So speaks someone without an IV postcode. People in the Highlands and Islands already get charged extra - it's quite a big local politics issue.

    The exception is Royal Mail.
    Indeed the universal service and its extensive rural and small town network is the main benefit of retaining Royal Mail
    ... retaining? I have some bad news for you.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,768

    Sky

    Trump to visit UK in the coming weeks

    Obviously timed for HOC recess and public away on holidays

    Mind you, as with anything Trump who knows?

    And AFTER Macron state visit to UK and the King's visit to Canada to open their parliament, so Trump went to back of the queue
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,564
    Big Ange wasn't at PMQs today, hope she's not had a row with anyone!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,768
    edited 1:18PM
    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Luke Tryl
    @LukeTryl

    ➡️ REF UK 29% (nc)
    🌹 LAB 24% (nc)
    🌳 CON 19% (nc)
    🔶 LIB DEM 14% (+2)
    🌍 GREEN 7% (-2)
    🟡 SNP 3% (nc)

    N = 2,084 | Dates:4 - 7/7 | Change w 30/6"

    https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1942848128119677033

    Baxter:

    RefUK 321
    Lab 164
    LD 66
    Con 46
    SNP 24
    PC 4
    Grn 2
    Others 23

    This,looks like the definition of a snooze summer poll. I can almost hear them doing the research from their deckchairs.
    So on that poll Farage could form a minority government with DUP and TUV confidence and supply without needing the Tories
    That would be the first time Labour and Conservative MPs have sat together on the Opposition benches.
    Since universal suffrage yes but from 1906-1918 Conservative and Labour MPs were on the back benches to the Liberal governments of Campbell Bannerman, Asquith and Lloyd George
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,148
    HYUFD said:

    Sky

    Trump to visit UK in the coming weeks

    Obviously timed for HOC recess and public away on holidays

    Mind you, as with anything Trump who knows?

    And AFTER Macron state visit to UK and the King's visit to Canada to open their parliament, so Trump went to back of the queue
    It should be timed for AFTER Ukraine is given enough munitions to repel Putin.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,861

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Luke Tryl
    @LukeTryl

    ➡️ REF UK 29% (nc)
    🌹 LAB 24% (nc)
    🌳 CON 19% (nc)
    🔶 LIB DEM 14% (+2)
    🌍 GREEN 7% (-2)
    🟡 SNP 3% (nc)

    N = 2,084 | Dates:4 - 7/7 | Change w 30/6"

    https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1942848128119677033

    Baxter:

    RefUK 321
    Lab 164
    LD 66
    Con 46
    SNP 24
    PC 4
    Grn 2
    Others 23

    This,looks like the definition of a snooze summer poll. I can almost hear them doing the research from their deckchairs.
    So on that poll Farage could form a minority government with DUP and TUV confidence and supply without needing the Tories
    That would be the first time Labour and Conservative MPs have sat together on the Opposition benches.
    1906? 1910?
    Granted - first time for more than a century.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,768
    Eabhal said:

    HYUFD said:

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Hmm, I think Labour's ditching of zonal pricing will have had a material impact on the SNP's chances next year. Such an obvious weakness for UK Government - not sure why they floated it unless they were going to push it through.

    I'm already getting targeted ads about subsiding the SE with Tartan Turbines.

    It's a huge f-you to Scotland. "You guys with all the wind turbines? Just keep paying London prices for your electricity, kthxbye!"

    Miliband is so dumb he's an actual menace.
    Although if you want regional prices for electricity etc can we have regional pricing for post? Why is it the same to post Warminster to Wick as it is Warminster to Frome?
    So speaks someone without an IV postcode. People in the Highlands and Islands already get charged extra - it's quite a big local politics issue.

    The exception is Royal Mail.
    Indeed the universal service and its extensive rural and small town network is the main benefit of retaining Royal Mail
    ... retaining? I have some bad news for you.
    It is still there, just now as a private company
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,670

    MattW said:

    Eabhal said:

    A scandal over the Bayeux Tapestry is exactly what this summer is missing. Looking forward to the weekend BBQ and watching England tear itself apart.

    Rest is History specials, a Reform rally at Hastings, Spectator in turmoil. In. My. Veins.

    Why would there be a scandal over the Bayeux Tapestry? Have I missed something?

    Do they object to the Sutton Hoo helmet being lent to France?
    John Redwood has decided it's an insult to the English, as it features scenes of Norman domination. He's a bit late to the story on this one.
    I was in the Con Club with my Dad and there was a lot of bad feeling towards the tapestry gift. Redwood is right, and the English Nation is right behind him on this, Macron and the French are knowingly taking the piss out of us with “le gift”.
    Although the tapestry is complete gibberish in terms of history - no arrow through the eye etc, that’s just victors rewriting history to say God was in their side (and back up by the Pope and his corrupt Catholic money), as art it shouldn’t be destroyed as a lot of protestors want - I don’t think it should come here, it won’t be safe. It won’t go back in one piece and I am sure Macron knows this.

    The historical question being asked is very easy - Normans weren’t franks or French, they were back door Vikings, the type our Saxon Kings gaily slaughtered on the were sniff of the smelly things. Vikings, especially the ones who converted to Christianity for land and money were simply gangsters and racketeers. And not to forget harrowing of the North that was even worse for Yorkshire than what the Labour government is now doing. The the Norman’s did give us English our flag and some other good things that were good.
    History lesson over. Hope that clears all the questions up.
    Is this satire? Can’t tell
    If I asked you “who are the English?” You couldn’t answer. You don’t do history as well as me.

    So, who are the English?
    No, it’s that Redwood was being satirical, apparently. I can’t tell if you are.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,564
    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Luke Tryl
    @LukeTryl

    ➡️ REF UK 29% (nc)
    🌹 LAB 24% (nc)
    🌳 CON 19% (nc)
    🔶 LIB DEM 14% (+2)
    🌍 GREEN 7% (-2)
    🟡 SNP 3% (nc)

    N = 2,084 | Dates:4 - 7/7 | Change w 30/6"

    https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1942848128119677033

    Baxter:

    RefUK 321
    Lab 164
    LD 66
    Con 46
    SNP 24
    PC 4
    Grn 2
    Others 23

    This,looks like the definition of a snooze summer poll. I can almost hear them doing the research from their deckchairs.
    So on that poll Farage could form a minority government with DUP and TUV confidence and supply without needing the Tories
    That would be the first time Labour and Conservative MPs have sat together on the Opposition benches.
    1906? 1910?
    Granted - first time for more than a century.
    They'll realise everything since the Parliament Act of 1911 has been a fever dream and war is brewing in Europe
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,861
    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Luke Tryl
    @LukeTryl

    ➡️ REF UK 29% (nc)
    🌹 LAB 24% (nc)
    🌳 CON 19% (nc)
    🔶 LIB DEM 14% (+2)
    🌍 GREEN 7% (-2)
    🟡 SNP 3% (nc)

    N = 2,084 | Dates:4 - 7/7 | Change w 30/6"

    https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1942848128119677033

    Baxter:

    RefUK 321
    Lab 164
    LD 66
    Con 46
    SNP 24
    PC 4
    Grn 2
    Others 23

    This,looks like the definition of a snooze summer poll. I can almost hear them doing the research from their deckchairs.
    So on that poll Farage could form a minority government with DUP and TUV confidence and supply without needing the Tories
    That would be the first time Labour and Conservative MPs have sat together on the Opposition benches.
    Since universal suffrage yes but from 1906-1918 Conservative and Labour MPs were on the back benches to the Liberal governments of Campbell Bannerman, Asquith and Lloyd George
    Yes, you are correct from 1906 to December 1916 but wasn't the Lloyd George Government a coalition with Conservatives and Labour and didn't Asquith and his Liberals go to the opposition benches?

    I think Bonar Law was Chancellor and Arthur Henderson also served in the Cabinet.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,768
    edited 1:30PM
    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Luke Tryl
    @LukeTryl

    ➡️ REF UK 29% (nc)
    🌹 LAB 24% (nc)
    🌳 CON 19% (nc)
    🔶 LIB DEM 14% (+2)
    🌍 GREEN 7% (-2)
    🟡 SNP 3% (nc)

    N = 2,084 | Dates:4 - 7/7 | Change w 30/6"

    https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1942848128119677033

    Baxter:

    RefUK 321
    Lab 164
    LD 66
    Con 46
    SNP 24
    PC 4
    Grn 2
    Others 23

    This,looks like the definition of a snooze summer poll. I can almost hear them doing the research from their deckchairs.
    So on that poll Farage could form a minority government with DUP and TUV confidence and supply without needing the Tories
    That would be the first time Labour and Conservative MPs have sat together on the Opposition benches.
    Since universal suffrage yes but from 1906-1918 Conservative and Labour MPs were on the back benches to the Liberal governments of Campbell Bannerman, Asquith and Lloyd George
    Yes, you are correct from 1906 to December 1916 but wasn't the Lloyd George Government a coalition with Conservatives and Labour and didn't Asquith and his Liberals go to the opposition benches?

    I think Bonar Law was Chancellor and Arthur Henderson also served in the Cabinet.
    OK, 1906 to 1916 then, though the combined Asquith and Lloyd George Liberals still held most seats in the Commons until 1918
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,564
    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Luke Tryl
    @LukeTryl

    ➡️ REF UK 29% (nc)
    🌹 LAB 24% (nc)
    🌳 CON 19% (nc)
    🔶 LIB DEM 14% (+2)
    🌍 GREEN 7% (-2)
    🟡 SNP 3% (nc)

    N = 2,084 | Dates:4 - 7/7 | Change w 30/6"

    https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1942848128119677033

    Baxter:

    RefUK 321
    Lab 164
    LD 66
    Con 46
    SNP 24
    PC 4
    Grn 2
    Others 23

    This,looks like the definition of a snooze summer poll. I can almost hear them doing the research from their deckchairs.
    So on that poll Farage could form a minority government with DUP and TUV confidence and supply without needing the Tories
    That would be the first time Labour and Conservative MPs have sat together on the Opposition benches.
    Since universal suffrage yes but from 1906-1918 Conservative and Labour MPs were on the back benches to the Liberal governments of Campbell Bannerman, Asquith and Lloyd George
    Yes, you are correct from 1906 to December 1916 but wasn't the Lloyd George Government a coalition with Conservatives and Labour and didn't Asquith and his Liberals go to the opposition benches?

    I think Bonar Law was Chancellor and Arthur Henderson also served in the Cabinet.
    Yep, the strange death of the Liberal Party 1916-1924
    Good job nothing happened to another party of government 2016-2024!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,768
    edited 1:36PM

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Luke Tryl
    @LukeTryl

    ➡️ REF UK 29% (nc)
    🌹 LAB 24% (nc)
    🌳 CON 19% (nc)
    🔶 LIB DEM 14% (+2)
    🌍 GREEN 7% (-2)
    🟡 SNP 3% (nc)

    N = 2,084 | Dates:4 - 7/7 | Change w 30/6"

    https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1942848128119677033

    Baxter:

    RefUK 321
    Lab 164
    LD 66
    Con 46
    SNP 24
    PC 4
    Grn 2
    Others 23

    This,looks like the definition of a snooze summer poll. I can almost hear them doing the research from their deckchairs.
    So on that poll Farage could form a minority government with DUP and TUV confidence and supply without needing the Tories
    That would be the first time Labour and Conservative MPs have sat together on the Opposition benches.
    Since universal suffrage yes but from 1906-1918 Conservative and Labour MPs were on the back benches to the Liberal governments of Campbell Bannerman, Asquith and Lloyd George
    Yes, you are correct from 1906 to December 1916 but wasn't the Lloyd George Government a coalition with Conservatives and Labour and didn't Asquith and his Liberals go to the opposition benches?

    I think Bonar Law was Chancellor and Arthur Henderson also served in the Cabinet.
    Yep, the strange death of the Liberal Party 1916-1924
    Good job nothing happened to another party of government 2016-2024!
    The Liberal party never died (even if today's LDs are a product of the merger of the Liberals and SDP), otherwise who are the 72 MPs Ed Davey leads?

    It did not lead a UK government again since Lloyd George yes but then it was still a part of the 2010-2015 Conservative and LD UK government and the WW2 wartime coalition government and Liberal MPs propped up Callaghan's government too
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,564
    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Luke Tryl
    @LukeTryl

    ➡️ REF UK 29% (nc)
    🌹 LAB 24% (nc)
    🌳 CON 19% (nc)
    🔶 LIB DEM 14% (+2)
    🌍 GREEN 7% (-2)
    🟡 SNP 3% (nc)

    N = 2,084 | Dates:4 - 7/7 | Change w 30/6"

    https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1942848128119677033

    Baxter:

    RefUK 321
    Lab 164
    LD 66
    Con 46
    SNP 24
    PC 4
    Grn 2
    Others 23

    This,looks like the definition of a snooze summer poll. I can almost hear them doing the research from their deckchairs.
    So on that poll Farage could form a minority government with DUP and TUV confidence and supply without needing the Tories
    That would be the first time Labour and Conservative MPs have sat together on the Opposition benches.
    Since universal suffrage yes but from 1906-1918 Conservative and Labour MPs were on the back benches to the Liberal governments of Campbell Bannerman, Asquith and Lloyd George
    Yes, you are correct from 1906 to December 1916 but wasn't the Lloyd George Government a coalition with Conservatives and Labour and didn't Asquith and his Liberals go to the opposition benches?

    I think Bonar Law was Chancellor and Arthur Henderson also served in the Cabinet.
    Yep, the strange death of the Liberal Party 1916-1924
    Good job nothing happened to another party of government 2016-2024!
    The Liberal party never died, otherwise who are the 72 MPs Ed Davey leads?

    It did not lead a UK government again since Lloyd George yes but then it was still a party of the 2010-2015 UK government and the WW2 wartime coalition government and Liberal MPs propped up Callaghan's government too
    Sigh. Figuratively speaking, as a party of leading government in the United Kingdom.
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 1,076
    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Luke Tryl
    @LukeTryl

    ➡️ REF UK 29% (nc)
    🌹 LAB 24% (nc)
    🌳 CON 19% (nc)
    🔶 LIB DEM 14% (+2)
    🌍 GREEN 7% (-2)
    🟡 SNP 3% (nc)

    N = 2,084 | Dates:4 - 7/7 | Change w 30/6"

    https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1942848128119677033

    Baxter:

    RefUK 321
    Lab 164
    LD 66
    Con 46
    SNP 24
    PC 4
    Grn 2
    Others 23

    This,looks like the definition of a snooze summer poll. I can almost hear them doing the research from their deckchairs.
    So on that poll Farage could form a minority government with DUP and TUV confidence and supply without needing the Tories
    That would be the first time Labour and Conservative MPs have sat together on the Opposition benches.
    Since universal suffrage yes but from 1906-1918 Conservative and Labour MPs were on the back benches to the Liberal governments of Campbell Bannerman, Asquith and Lloyd George
    Yes, you are correct from 1906 to December 1916 but wasn't the Lloyd George Government a coalition with Conservatives and Labour and didn't Asquith and his Liberals go to the opposition benches?

    I think Bonar Law was Chancellor and Arthur Henderson also served in the Cabinet.
    Yep, the strange death of the Liberal Party 1916-1924
    Good job nothing happened to another party of government 2016-2024!
    The Liberal party never died (even if today's LDs are a product of the merger of the Liberals and SDP), otherwise who are the 72 MPs Ed Davey leads?

    It did not lead a UK government again since Lloyd George yes but then it was still a part of the 2010-2015 Conservative and LD UK government and the WW2 wartime coalition government and Liberal MPs propped up Callaghan's government too
    Take it up with George Dangerfield who coined the phrase in 1935.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,645
    Here is something far vaster and sadder and bigger and more momentous than the ridiculous post office nonsense

    The intense and increasing loneliness of the western world. In a few charts. THIS is something to worry about

    https://x.com/davidshor/status/1942932100707225620?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,768
    Stereodog said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Luke Tryl
    @LukeTryl

    ➡️ REF UK 29% (nc)
    🌹 LAB 24% (nc)
    🌳 CON 19% (nc)
    🔶 LIB DEM 14% (+2)
    🌍 GREEN 7% (-2)
    🟡 SNP 3% (nc)

    N = 2,084 | Dates:4 - 7/7 | Change w 30/6"

    https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1942848128119677033

    Baxter:

    RefUK 321
    Lab 164
    LD 66
    Con 46
    SNP 24
    PC 4
    Grn 2
    Others 23

    This,looks like the definition of a snooze summer poll. I can almost hear them doing the research from their deckchairs.
    So on that poll Farage could form a minority government with DUP and TUV confidence and supply without needing the Tories
    That would be the first time Labour and Conservative MPs have sat together on the Opposition benches.
    Since universal suffrage yes but from 1906-1918 Conservative and Labour MPs were on the back benches to the Liberal governments of Campbell Bannerman, Asquith and Lloyd George
    Yes, you are correct from 1906 to December 1916 but wasn't the Lloyd George Government a coalition with Conservatives and Labour and didn't Asquith and his Liberals go to the opposition benches?

    I think Bonar Law was Chancellor and Arthur Henderson also served in the Cabinet.
    Yep, the strange death of the Liberal Party 1916-1924
    Good job nothing happened to another party of government 2016-2024!
    The Liberal party never died (even if today's LDs are a product of the merger of the Liberals and SDP), otherwise who are the 72 MPs Ed Davey leads?

    It did not lead a UK government again since Lloyd George yes but then it was still a part of the 2010-2015 Conservative and LD UK government and the WW2 wartime coalition government and Liberal MPs propped up Callaghan's government too
    Take it up with George Dangerfield who coined the phrase in 1935.
    Though he titled it 'The Strange Death of Liberal England' rather than 'The Strange Death of the Liberal Party'
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,065
    edited 1:49PM
    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Luke Tryl
    @LukeTryl

    ➡️ REF UK 29% (nc)
    🌹 LAB 24% (nc)
    🌳 CON 19% (nc)
    🔶 LIB DEM 14% (+2)
    🌍 GREEN 7% (-2)
    🟡 SNP 3% (nc)

    N = 2,084 | Dates:4 - 7/7 | Change w 30/6"

    https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1942848128119677033

    Baxter:

    RefUK 321
    Lab 164
    LD 66
    Con 46
    SNP 24
    PC 4
    Grn 2
    Others 23

    This,looks like the definition of a snooze summer poll. I can almost hear them doing the research from their deckchairs.
    So on that poll Farage could form a minority government with DUP and TUV confidence and supply without needing the Tories
    That would be the first time Labour and Conservative MPs have sat together on the Opposition benches.
    Since universal suffrage yes but from 1906-1918 Conservative and Labour MPs were on the back benches to the Liberal governments of Campbell Bannerman, Asquith and Lloyd George
    Yes, you are correct from 1906 to December 1916 but wasn't the Lloyd George Government a coalition with Conservatives and Labour and didn't Asquith and his Liberals go to the opposition benches?

    I think Bonar Law was Chancellor and Arthur Henderson also served in the Cabinet.
    Yep, the strange death of the Liberal Party 1916-1924
    Good job nothing happened to another party of government 2016-2024!
    The Liberal party never died (even if today's LDs are a product of the merger of the Liberals and SDP), otherwise who are the 72 MPs Ed Davey leads?

    It did not lead a UK government again since Lloyd George yes but then it was still a part of the 2010-2015 Conservative and LD UK government and the WW2 wartime coalition government and Liberal MPs propped up Callaghan's government too
    Essentially, the Liberal Party was barely functioning, between 1935 and 1959.

    In 1951 and 1955, they held 5 or their remaining 6 seats, only because the Conservatives did not field candidates against them.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,768
    edited 1:50PM
    Leon said:

    Here is something far vaster and sadder and bigger and more momentous than the ridiculous post office nonsense

    The intense and increasing loneliness of the western world. In a few charts. THIS is something to worry about

    https://x.com/davidshor/status/1942932100707225620?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    And young people, bring back WI, Mothers' Union, Rotary Club, youth clubs, scouts etc and champion mothers and wives as well as high earning career women
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 1,076
    HYUFD said:

    Stereodog said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Luke Tryl
    @LukeTryl

    ➡️ REF UK 29% (nc)
    🌹 LAB 24% (nc)
    🌳 CON 19% (nc)
    🔶 LIB DEM 14% (+2)
    🌍 GREEN 7% (-2)
    🟡 SNP 3% (nc)

    N = 2,084 | Dates:4 - 7/7 | Change w 30/6"

    https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1942848128119677033

    Baxter:

    RefUK 321
    Lab 164
    LD 66
    Con 46
    SNP 24
    PC 4
    Grn 2
    Others 23

    This,looks like the definition of a snooze summer poll. I can almost hear them doing the research from their deckchairs.
    So on that poll Farage could form a minority government with DUP and TUV confidence and supply without needing the Tories
    That would be the first time Labour and Conservative MPs have sat together on the Opposition benches.
    Since universal suffrage yes but from 1906-1918 Conservative and Labour MPs were on the back benches to the Liberal governments of Campbell Bannerman, Asquith and Lloyd George
    Yes, you are correct from 1906 to December 1916 but wasn't the Lloyd George Government a coalition with Conservatives and Labour and didn't Asquith and his Liberals go to the opposition benches?

    I think Bonar Law was Chancellor and Arthur Henderson also served in the Cabinet.
    Yep, the strange death of the Liberal Party 1916-1924
    Good job nothing happened to another party of government 2016-2024!
    The Liberal party never died (even if today's LDs are a product of the merger of the Liberals and SDP), otherwise who are the 72 MPs Ed Davey leads?

    It did not lead a UK government again since Lloyd George yes but then it was still a part of the 2010-2015 Conservative and LD UK government and the WW2 wartime coalition government and Liberal MPs propped up Callaghan's government too
    Take it up with George Dangerfield who coined the phrase in 1935.
    Though he titled it 'The Strange Death of Liberal England' rather than 'The Strange Death of the Liberal Party'
    It is about the Liberal Party though.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,645
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Here is something far vaster and sadder and bigger and more momentous than the ridiculous post office nonsense

    The intense and increasing loneliness of the western world. In a few charts. THIS is something to worry about

    https://x.com/davidshor/status/1942932100707225620?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    And young people, bring back WI, Mothers' Union, Rotary Club, youth clubs, scouts etc and champion mothers and wives as well as high earning career women
    I genuinely wonder if there will be an attempt to ban smartphones. Entirely. For everyone
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,087

    MattW said:

    Eabhal said:

    A scandal over the Bayeux Tapestry is exactly what this summer is missing. Looking forward to the weekend BBQ and watching England tear itself apart.

    Rest is History specials, a Reform rally at Hastings, Spectator in turmoil. In. My. Veins.

    Why would there be a scandal over the Bayeux Tapestry? Have I missed something?

    Do they object to the Sutton Hoo helmet being lent to France?
    John Redwood has decided it's an insult to the English, as it features scenes of Norman domination. He's a bit late to the story on this one.
    I was in the Con Club with my Dad and there was a lot of bad feeling towards the tapestry gift. Redwood is right, and the English Nation is right behind him on this, Macron and the French are knowingly taking the piss out of us with “le gift”.
    Although the tapestry is complete gibberish in terms of history - no arrow through the eye etc, that’s just victors rewriting history to say God was in their side (and back up by the Pope and his corrupt Catholic money), as art it shouldn’t be destroyed as a lot of protestors want - I don’t think it should come here, it won’t be safe. It won’t go back in one piece and I am sure Macron knows this.

    The historical question being asked is very easy - Normans weren’t franks or French, they were back door Vikings, the type our Saxon Kings gaily slaughtered on the were sniff of the smelly things. Vikings, especially the ones who converted to Christianity for land and money were simply gangsters and racketeers. And not to forget harrowing of the North that was even worse for Yorkshire than what the Labour government is now doing. The the Norman’s did give us English our flag and some other good things that were good.
    History lesson over. Hope that clears all the questions up.
    Is this satire? Can’t tell
    If I asked you “who are the English?” You couldn’t answer. You don’t do history as well as me.

    So, who are the English?
    No, it’s that Redwood was being satirical, apparently. I can’t tell if you are.
    John Redwood. One of the great satirists. His Welsh national anthem sketch is perhaps his masterpiece. Hasn't dated at all, when stuff like Python from back then sadly has.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,768
    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Here is something far vaster and sadder and bigger and more momentous than the ridiculous post office nonsense

    The intense and increasing loneliness of the western world. In a few charts. THIS is something to worry about

    https://x.com/davidshor/status/1942932100707225620?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    And young people, bring back WI, Mothers' Union, Rotary Club, youth clubs, scouts etc and champion mothers and wives as well as high earning career women
    I genuinely wonder if there will be an attempt to ban smartphones. Entirely. For everyone
    For under 16s certainly, they encourage unrealistic perfection and lead to out of school bullying and distraction from homework and family meals etc
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,056
    Mortimer said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Luke Tryl
    @LukeTryl

    ➡️ REF UK 29% (nc)
    🌹 LAB 24% (nc)
    🌳 CON 19% (nc)
    🔶 LIB DEM 14% (+2)
    🌍 GREEN 7% (-2)
    🟡 SNP 3% (nc)

    N = 2,084 | Dates:4 - 7/7 | Change w 30/6"

    https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1942848128119677033

    Baxter:

    RefUK 321
    Lab 164
    LD 66
    Con 46
    SNP 24
    PC 4
    Grn 2
    Others 23

    This,looks like the definition of a snooze summer poll. I can almost hear them doing the research from their deckchairs.
    Gotta feel for the Lib Dems; despite decades of effort as the third party, they've utterly failed to capitalise on the decline of the two major parties....
    Apart from winning a record number of MPs at the last election, that is.
  • ClippPClippP Posts: 1,982

    MattW said:

    Eabhal said:

    A scandal over the Bayeux Tapestry is exactly what this summer is missing. Looking forward to the weekend BBQ and watching England tear itself apart.

    Rest is History specials, a Reform rally at Hastings, Spectator in turmoil. In. My. Veins.

    Why would there be a scandal over the Bayeux Tapestry? Have I missed something?

    Do they object to the Sutton Hoo helmet being lent to France?
    John Redwood has decided it's an insult to the English, as it features scenes of Norman domination. He's a bit late to the story on this one.
    I was in the Con Club with my Dad and there was a lot of bad feeling towards the tapestry gift. Redwood is right, and the English Nation is right behind him on this, Macron and the French are knowingly taking the piss out of us with “le gift”.
    Although the tapestry is complete gibberish in terms of history - no arrow through the eye etc, that’s just victors rewriting history to say God was in their side (and back up by the Pope and his corrupt Catholic money), as art it shouldn’t be destroyed as a lot of protestors want - I don’t think it should come here, it won’t be safe. It won’t go back in one piece and I am sure Macron knows this.

    The historical question being asked is very easy - Normans weren’t franks or French, they were back door Vikings, the type our Saxon Kings gaily slaughtered on the were sniff of the smelly things. Vikings, especially the ones who converted to Christianity for land and money were simply gangsters and racketeers. And not to forget harrowing of the North that was even worse for Yorkshire than what the Labour government is now doing. The the Norman’s did give us English our flag and some other good things that were good.
    History lesson over. Hope that clears all the questions up.
    If you say so, Moon Rabbit !
    Although I was taught at school that the Normans tended to have one Viking and one French paren, and many English surnames are Norman - Bennett, Warren, Mortimer, Percy, Clifford, Deneuve-Mordaunt, Etc.
    Norman’s are Vikings. You notice how they came from nowhere and disappeared into nowhere, not long Vikings history? The Vikings didn’t disappear, they became normans and English by switching from raiding to squatting like mafia bosses and racketeers, that’s how economies ticked up, as Viking squatting landlord racketeers spent the money in the place they now squatting not raiding.

    If you trying to defend Vikings, how come Vikings only remembered with bad names - Bjorn the sneak, Ragnar the untrustworthy, Nogbad the Bad, Bluetooth the bad breath, Count Otto the oddo?
    They had those nicknames to distinguish them from the good ones, of course.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,068
    edited 2:02PM
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Here is something far vaster and sadder and bigger and more momentous than the ridiculous post office nonsense

    The intense and increasing loneliness of the western world. In a few charts. THIS is something to worry about

    https://x.com/davidshor/status/1942932100707225620?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    And young people, bring back WI, Mothers' Union, Rotary Club, youth clubs, scouts etc and champion mothers and wives as well as high earning career women
    One lesson we should all learn is that change evolves, and those who oppose change disappear, those that accept it reluctantly do not prosper, but those who actively welcome change succeeds

    Round Table's motto in their day was 'adapt, adopt, and improve' and that is good advice

    I think Rotary clubs must still exist as I see their social media, but they have adapted and welcome lady members, indeed as I understand it the local Rotary Club's present President is a lady

    At times you remind me of the dinosaurs, and we know what happen to them
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,436
    edited 2:02PM
    Cyclefree, excellent article, it made for very tough reading and I still cannot comprehend the fact that these sub postmasters who suffered this terrible injustice are still waiting for recompense and compensation for the terrible suffering they endured.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,445
    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Hmm, I think Labour's ditching of zonal pricing will have had a material impact on the SNP's chances next year. Such an obvious weakness for UK Government - not sure why they floated it unless they were going to push it through.

    I'm already getting targeted ads about subsiding the SE with Tartan Turbines.

    It's a huge f-you to Scotland. "You guys with all the wind turbines? Just keep paying London prices for your electricity, kthxbye!"

    Miliband is so dumb he's an actual menace.
    Although if you want regional prices for electricity etc can we have regional pricing for post? Why is it the same to post Warminster to Wick as it is Warminster to Frome?
    So speaks someone without an IV postcode. People in the Highlands and Islands already get charged extra - it's quite a big local politics issue.

    The exception is Royal Mail.
    Which was the example I used.
  • ClippPClippP Posts: 1,982

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Luke Tryl
    @LukeTryl

    ➡️ REF UK 29% (nc)
    🌹 LAB 24% (nc)
    🌳 CON 19% (nc)
    🔶 LIB DEM 14% (+2)
    🌍 GREEN 7% (-2)
    🟡 SNP 3% (nc)

    N = 2,084 | Dates:4 - 7/7 | Change w 30/6"

    https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1942848128119677033

    Baxter:

    RefUK 321
    Lab 164
    LD 66
    Con 46
    SNP 24
    PC 4
    Grn 2
    Others 23

    This,looks like the definition of a snooze summer poll. I can almost hear them doing the research from their deckchairs.
    So on that poll Farage could form a minority government with DUP and TUV confidence and supply without needing the Tories
    That would be the first time Labour and Conservative MPs have sat together on the Opposition benches.
    Since universal suffrage yes but from 1906-1918 Conservative and Labour MPs were on the back benches to the Liberal governments of Campbell Bannerman, Asquith and Lloyd George
    Yes, you are correct from 1906 to December 1916 but wasn't the Lloyd George Government a coalition with Conservatives and Labour and didn't Asquith and his Liberals go to the opposition benches?

    I think Bonar Law was Chancellor and Arthur Henderson also served in the Cabinet.
    Yep, the strange death of the Liberal Party 1916-1924
    Good job nothing happened to another party of government 2016-2024!
    The Liberal party never died, otherwise who are the 72 MPs Ed Davey leads?

    It did not lead a UK government again since Lloyd George yes but then it was still a party of the 2010-2015 UK government and the WW2 wartime coalition government and Liberal MPs propped up Callaghan's government too
    Sigh. Figuratively speaking, as a party of leading government in the United Kingdom.
    And the Lib Dems are running lots of local authorities too.....
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,094

    Mortimer said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Luke Tryl
    @LukeTryl

    ➡️ REF UK 29% (nc)
    🌹 LAB 24% (nc)
    🌳 CON 19% (nc)
    🔶 LIB DEM 14% (+2)
    🌍 GREEN 7% (-2)
    🟡 SNP 3% (nc)

    N = 2,084 | Dates:4 - 7/7 | Change w 30/6"

    https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1942848128119677033

    Baxter:

    RefUK 321
    Lab 164
    LD 66
    Con 46
    SNP 24
    PC 4
    Grn 2
    Others 23

    This,looks like the definition of a snooze summer poll. I can almost hear them doing the research from their deckchairs.
    Gotta feel for the Lib Dems; despite decades of effort as the third party, they've utterly failed to capitalise on the decline of the two major parties....
    Apart from winning a record number of MPs at the last election, that is.
    And the potential opportunity of being at the opposite polar to the forces of reaction and populism of Reform and with both Tory and Labour discredited come the next election.

    Whilst I agree with Mark that the LibDems are potentially very vulnerable to even a small recovery in Tory fortunes next time, there is also a scenario with a significant upside, certainly in terms of votes.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,768
    edited 2:07PM

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Here is something far vaster and sadder and bigger and more momentous than the ridiculous post office nonsense

    The intense and increasing loneliness of the western world. In a few charts. THIS is something to worry about

    https://x.com/davidshor/status/1942932100707225620?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    And young people, bring back WI, Mothers' Union, Rotary Club, youth clubs, scouts etc and champion mothers and wives as well as high earning career women
    One lesson we should all learn is that change evolves, and those who oppose change disappear, those that accept it reluctantly do not prosper, but those who actively welcome change succeeds

    Round Table's motto in their day was 'adapt, adopt, and improve' and that is good advice

    I think Rotary clubs must still exist as I see their social media, but they have adapted and welcome lady members, indeed as I understand it the local Rotary Club's present President is a lady

    At times you remind me of the dinosaurs, and we know what happen to them
    Where did I say Rotary Club Presidents could not be women? Though there is the Inner Wheel female equivalent, my parents have been Presidents of both
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,616

    HYUFD said:

    Sky

    Trump to visit UK in the coming weeks

    Obviously timed for HOC recess and public away on holidays

    Mind you, as with anything Trump who knows?

    And AFTER Macron state visit to UK and the King's visit to Canada to open their parliament, so Trump went to back of the queue
    It should be timed for AFTER Ukraine is given enough munitions to repel Putin.
    I sympathise with the sentiment, and I think sucking up to Trump is mostly futile, but I can understand why they're making the attempt and I wish them every success with it.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,590
    My eldest rings me up. News of a job interview tomorrow. I enquire as to who it's with and he gives a company name in Sheffield. Website is bullshit bingo and agency photos. "Marketing lead generation for blue chip clients" apparently. No company information on there at all.

    Hmmm. Onto Companies House and I find them. And the same guy has founded another 6 iterations of the same company, often one every month, all of which are dissolved after 17 months. Hmmm. All with the same single shareholder / PSC. Hmmm.

    They're not going to the interview tomorrow.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,606

    Mortimer said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Luke Tryl
    @LukeTryl

    ➡️ REF UK 29% (nc)
    🌹 LAB 24% (nc)
    🌳 CON 19% (nc)
    🔶 LIB DEM 14% (+2)
    🌍 GREEN 7% (-2)
    🟡 SNP 3% (nc)

    N = 2,084 | Dates:4 - 7/7 | Change w 30/6"

    https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1942848128119677033

    Baxter:

    RefUK 321
    Lab 164
    LD 66
    Con 46
    SNP 24
    PC 4
    Grn 2
    Others 23

    This,looks like the definition of a snooze summer poll. I can almost hear them doing the research from their deckchairs.
    Gotta feel for the Lib Dems; despite decades of effort as the third party, they've utterly failed to capitalise on the decline of the two major parties....
    Apart from winning a record number of MPs at the last election, that is.
    And a consistent rise in their poll ratings in recent weeks.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,578
    Just had the local fire service knock the door. Talking about smoke alarms. Fitted two free ones. Obviously not free because my taxes have been paying them since I have lived up here but all the same.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,344
    edited 2:12PM
    Asylum seeker can stay in UK because of speech impediment
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/09/asylum-seeker-can-stay-in-uk-because-of-speech-impediment/

    Putting aside the clickbait title, the crux seems to be that he has become active on social media / going to demonstrations while in the UK illegally. He hasn't been able to prove his claims of attending demonstrations while in Iraq.

    This again seems a very easy way to game the system. Get here, while the system is sorting out your claim, get mouthy on socials in English, then claim I can't go back because somebody might find my Faceache posts. Job done.
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,367

    Mortimer said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Luke Tryl
    @LukeTryl

    ➡️ REF UK 29% (nc)
    🌹 LAB 24% (nc)
    🌳 CON 19% (nc)
    🔶 LIB DEM 14% (+2)
    🌍 GREEN 7% (-2)
    🟡 SNP 3% (nc)

    N = 2,084 | Dates:4 - 7/7 | Change w 30/6"

    https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1942848128119677033

    Baxter:

    RefUK 321
    Lab 164
    LD 66
    Con 46
    SNP 24
    PC 4
    Grn 2
    Others 23

    This,looks like the definition of a snooze summer poll. I can almost hear them doing the research from their deckchairs.
    Gotta feel for the Lib Dems; despite decades of effort as the third party, they've utterly failed to capitalise on the decline of the two major parties....
    Apart from winning a record number of MPs at the last election, that is.
    Yes, but can Ed Davey control whether or not the civic centre at West Northamptonshire Council flies a gay pride flag occasionally? He cannot, whereas Nigel Farage's word is as the word of God Almighty on that matter.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,445
    Taz said:

    Just had the local fire service knock the door. Talking about smoke alarms. Fitted two free ones. Obviously not free because my taxes have been paying them since I have lived up here but all the same.

    Could have been worse. "Afternoon sir, would you like to contribute to the annual Fire Service retirement fund? No? Oh well. By the way, those timbers look very flammable, wouldn't want a nasty fire round here now would we?"
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,531

    My eldest rings me up. News of a job interview tomorrow. I enquire as to who it's with and he gives a company name in Sheffield. Website is bullshit bingo and agency photos. "Marketing lead generation for blue chip clients" apparently. No company information on there at all.

    Hmmm. Onto Companies House and I find them. And the same guy has founded another 6 iterations of the same company, often one every month, all of which are dissolved after 17 months. Hmmm. All with the same single shareholder / PSC. Hmmm.

    They're not going to the interview tomorrow.

    Curious - what could the game be? Shell companies… but why hire staff?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,068
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Here is something far vaster and sadder and bigger and more momentous than the ridiculous post office nonsense

    The intense and increasing loneliness of the western world. In a few charts. THIS is something to worry about

    https://x.com/davidshor/status/1942932100707225620?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    And young people, bring back WI, Mothers' Union, Rotary Club, youth clubs, scouts etc and champion mothers and wives as well as high earning career women
    One lesson we should all learn is that change evolves, and those who oppose change disappear, those that accept it reluctantly do not prosper, but those who actively welcome change succeeds

    Round Table's motto in their day was 'adapt, adopt, and improve' and that is good advice

    I think Rotary clubs must still exist as I see their social media, but they have adapted and welcome lady members, indeed as I understand it the local Rotary Club's present President is a lady

    At times you remind me of the dinosaurs, and we know what happen to them
    Where did I say Rotary Club Presidents could not be women? Though there is the Inner Wheel female equivalent, my parents have been Presidents of both
    Again you miss the point

    Rotary clubs were all male, but then they changed to accept the ladies
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,344
    edited 2:19PM

    My eldest rings me up. News of a job interview tomorrow. I enquire as to who it's with and he gives a company name in Sheffield. Website is bullshit bingo and agency photos. "Marketing lead generation for blue chip clients" apparently. No company information on there at all.

    Hmmm. Onto Companies House and I find them. And the same guy has founded another 6 iterations of the same company, often one every month, all of which are dissolved after 17 months. Hmmm. All with the same single shareholder / PSC. Hmmm.

    They're not going to the interview tomorrow.

    Curious - what could the game be? Shell companies… but why hire staff?
    I am trying to remember the scam. The BBC did an expose on this a while back.

    Jobfished: the con that tricked dozens into working for a fake design agency
    Published
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60387324

    The other cons that come to find is being a unknowing gopher for organised crime where you process payments, fill in forms to the tax man etc, with your name being attached to them.

    The other one is this Northern Korean tech workers who get jobs in the West doing it all remote from North Korea, but they also do need locals to a) run laptops that need to be located in the country of their job and also to process all the paperwork / transfer their pay each month etc.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,578

    My eldest rings me up. News of a job interview tomorrow. I enquire as to who it's with and he gives a company name in Sheffield. Website is bullshit bingo and agency photos. "Marketing lead generation for blue chip clients" apparently. No company information on there at all.

    Hmmm. Onto Companies House and I find them. And the same guy has founded another 6 iterations of the same company, often one every month, all of which are dissolved after 17 months. Hmmm. All with the same single shareholder / PSC. Hmmm.

    They're not going to the interview tomorrow.

    Okay but why didn’t they do that due diligence ?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,768

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Here is something far vaster and sadder and bigger and more momentous than the ridiculous post office nonsense

    The intense and increasing loneliness of the western world. In a few charts. THIS is something to worry about

    https://x.com/davidshor/status/1942932100707225620?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    And young people, bring back WI, Mothers' Union, Rotary Club, youth clubs, scouts etc and champion mothers and wives as well as high earning career women
    One lesson we should all learn is that change evolves, and those who oppose change disappear, those that accept it reluctantly do not prosper, but those who actively welcome change succeeds

    Round Table's motto in their day was 'adapt, adopt, and improve' and that is good advice

    I think Rotary clubs must still exist as I see their social media, but they have adapted and welcome lady members, indeed as I understand it the local Rotary Club's present President is a lady

    At times you remind me of the dinosaurs, and we know what happen to them
    Where did I say Rotary Club Presidents could not be women? Though there is the Inner Wheel female equivalent, my parents have been Presidents of both
    Again you miss the point

    Rotary clubs were all male, but then they changed to accept the ladies
    While Inner Wheel still does not accept men
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,578

    Taz said:

    Just had the local fire service knock the door. Talking about smoke alarms. Fitted two free ones. Obviously not free because my taxes have been paying them since I have lived up here but all the same.

    Could have been worse. "Afternoon sir, would you like to contribute to the annual Fire Service retirement fund? No? Oh well. By the way, those timbers look very flammable, wouldn't want a nasty fire round here now would we?"
    If his name badge had said Ronnie or Reggie I may have been concerned !
  • I'm late to this article, but what a good one it is. This phrase says it all in relation to this scandal:

    But I will suggest one deeper reason. We have, as a society, lost any sense of shame and guilt. We threw them out, thinking that they were horrible, old-fashioned feelings which oppressed people unnecessarily. And while there was some truth in that, in reality, some behaviour is shameful and people ought to feel ashamed and guilty. Some shame and guilt are essential to ensuring effective boundaries on our behaviour and some sense of conscience – a professional conscience, if you will, for those not wanting its religious overtones. But however you describe it, without this at an individual level, a person cannot be truly said to have integrity.

    Thank you Cyclefree.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,194

    Mortimer said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Luke Tryl
    @LukeTryl

    ➡️ REF UK 29% (nc)
    🌹 LAB 24% (nc)
    🌳 CON 19% (nc)
    🔶 LIB DEM 14% (+2)
    🌍 GREEN 7% (-2)
    🟡 SNP 3% (nc)

    N = 2,084 | Dates:4 - 7/7 | Change w 30/6"

    https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1942848128119677033

    Baxter:

    RefUK 321
    Lab 164
    LD 66
    Con 46
    SNP 24
    PC 4
    Grn 2
    Others 23

    This,looks like the definition of a snooze summer poll. I can almost hear them doing the research from their deckchairs.
    Gotta feel for the Lib Dems; despite decades of effort as the third party, they've utterly failed to capitalise on the decline of the two major parties....
    Apart from winning a record number of MPs at the last election, that is.
    Yes, but can Ed Davey control whether or not the civic centre at West Northamptonshire Council flies a gay pride flag occasionally? He cannot, whereas Nigel Farage's word is as the word of God Almighty on that matter.
    Afternoon everyone.

    Why should Ed D 'control' things like that?
    As you rightly suggest Farage come across as somewhat (indeed quite a lot) of control freak!
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,589
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Here is something far vaster and sadder and bigger and more momentous than the ridiculous post office nonsense

    The intense and increasing loneliness of the western world. In a few charts. THIS is something to worry about

    https://x.com/davidshor/status/1942932100707225620?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    And young people, bring back WI, Mothers' Union, Rotary Club, youth clubs, scouts etc and champion mothers and wives as well as high earning career women
    I genuinely wonder if there will be an attempt to ban smartphones. Entirely. For everyone
    For under 16s certainly, they encourage unrealistic perfection and lead to out of school bullying and distraction from homework and family meals etc
    More importantly smartphones remove the need for in-person socialisation. No need to go out and meet your friends to talk if you are all in the same WhatsApp/Insta/Whatever group chat.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,737

    My eldest rings me up. News of a job interview tomorrow. I enquire as to who it's with and he gives a company name in Sheffield. Website is bullshit bingo and agency photos. "Marketing lead generation for blue chip clients" apparently. No company information on there at all.

    Hmmm. Onto Companies House and I find them. And the same guy has founded another 6 iterations of the same company, often one every month, all of which are dissolved after 17 months. Hmmm. All with the same single shareholder / PSC. Hmmm.

    They're not going to the interview tomorrow.

    Bet he got a £50k covid "loan" for all his companies too.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,564
    Cicero said:

    Mortimer said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Luke Tryl
    @LukeTryl

    ➡️ REF UK 29% (nc)
    🌹 LAB 24% (nc)
    🌳 CON 19% (nc)
    🔶 LIB DEM 14% (+2)
    🌍 GREEN 7% (-2)
    🟡 SNP 3% (nc)

    N = 2,084 | Dates:4 - 7/7 | Change w 30/6"

    https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1942848128119677033

    Baxter:

    RefUK 321
    Lab 164
    LD 66
    Con 46
    SNP 24
    PC 4
    Grn 2
    Others 23

    This,looks like the definition of a snooze summer poll. I can almost hear them doing the research from their deckchairs.
    Gotta feel for the Lib Dems; despite decades of effort as the third party, they've utterly failed to capitalise on the decline of the two major parties....
    Apart from winning a record number of MPs at the last election, that is.
    And a consistent rise in their poll ratings in recent weeks.
    Their polling has not risen in recent weeks outside normal poll to poll movements
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,768
    edited 2:23PM

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Here is something far vaster and sadder and bigger and more momentous than the ridiculous post office nonsense

    The intense and increasing loneliness of the western world. In a few charts. THIS is something to worry about

    https://x.com/davidshor/status/1942932100707225620?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    And young people, bring back WI, Mothers' Union, Rotary Club, youth clubs, scouts etc and champion mothers and wives as well as high earning career women
    I genuinely wonder if there will be an attempt to ban smartphones. Entirely. For everyone
    For under 16s certainly, they encourage unrealistic perfection and lead to out of school bullying and distraction from homework and family meals etc
    More importantly smartphones remove the need for in-person socialisation. No need to go out and meet your friends to talk if you are all in the same WhatsApp/Insta/Whatever group chat.
    And even if you do half the time people are on their phones, though of course the internet and social media enabled politics nerds UK wide to come together on this site. Half a century ago even the local Tory and Labour clubs weren't as politically obsessed
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,590

    My eldest rings me up. News of a job interview tomorrow. I enquire as to who it's with and he gives a company name in Sheffield. Website is bullshit bingo and agency photos. "Marketing lead generation for blue chip clients" apparently. No company information on there at all.

    Hmmm. Onto Companies House and I find them. And the same guy has founded another 6 iterations of the same company, often one every month, all of which are dissolved after 17 months. Hmmm. All with the same single shareholder / PSC. Hmmm.

    They're not going to the interview tomorrow.

    Curious - what could the game be? Shell companies… but why hire staff?
    Nor shell companies. Each separately owned by the dude, not one of the other companies. No complex structure or nesting.

    Comedy review on Indeed. 3 employees have posted 5 star reviews! In every category. Yep, all 3 posted on the same day. Then one from a sucker. Its pay per lead. Street chugging and door knocking. No idea what the hustle is, but whatever it is they're not filing accounts or any paperwork other than incorporation and then strike off. Over and over again in overlapping time periods.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,068
    edited 2:25PM
    Taz said:

    Just had the local fire service knock the door. Talking about smoke alarms. Fitted two free ones. Obviously not free because my taxes have been paying them since I have lived up here but all the same.

    Our fire service have been doing this for some years, and about 6 months ago they called on each and every home with advice and fitting new alarms, and in our case renewed the two they had fitted previously

    However, a few weeks later one of the alarms went off in the early hours, and I have to say they are very effective in waking you up

    I called the fire servive and the next day this huge fire engine and crew arrived, and changed the faulty one

    All free, but saving more than they cost in lives and getting help
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,445
    Cicero said:

    Mortimer said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Luke Tryl
    @LukeTryl

    ➡️ REF UK 29% (nc)
    🌹 LAB 24% (nc)
    🌳 CON 19% (nc)
    🔶 LIB DEM 14% (+2)
    🌍 GREEN 7% (-2)
    🟡 SNP 3% (nc)

    N = 2,084 | Dates:4 - 7/7 | Change w 30/6"

    https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1942848128119677033

    Baxter:

    RefUK 321
    Lab 164
    LD 66
    Con 46
    SNP 24
    PC 4
    Grn 2
    Others 23

    This,looks like the definition of a snooze summer poll. I can almost hear them doing the research from their deckchairs.
    Gotta feel for the Lib Dems; despite decades of effort as the third party, they've utterly failed to capitalise on the decline of the two major parties....
    Apart from winning a record number of MPs at the last election, that is.
    And a consistent rise in their poll ratings in recent weeks.
    MoE. They have done nothing to earn an increase, so any increase is likely just churn.
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