Sky News reporting that a Serious Case Review finds "authorities" missed several opportunities to safeguard 11 month old Callum Wilson, who was murdered by his mother. Are these the same "authorities" who are to decide if we're all mistreating our children? There's just been a talking head on Sky News telling us that we all see evidence of child abuse, we could go into any school and pick out which child was being mistreated, she used the case of Harry Potter being kept under the stairs as an example of what we should be looking for. I worry for my sanity.
The fact that the author of this proposed amendment has plucked a figure of 1.5 mio children out of thin air makes me very suspicious of the rest of what he has to say.
Let's start from some facts. Fact 1: there have been documented cases of social services departments repeatedly failing to protect children suffering from prolonged and obvious physical harm. Let's fix that.
Fact 2: there will be some cases of extremely poor parenting.
But criminalising parents over something as delicate and difficult to judge as this - particularly as a strict liability offence - is almost certainly the wrong way to address such a problem.
What every MP should have tattoed on their head is that not every problem is solved by having a new law.
Ladbrokes cut odds of Ukraine winning Eurovision to 16/1. Could they benefit from some sympathy voting? pic.twitter.com/1f5tEAR4L5
Oh no I foresee another yelling at the tele moment when Russia gives Ukraine a high mark (and vice versa) and the commentator (Norton?) expresses amazement . Its a positive vote from a large demographic not a negative vote from haters I yell!! (or something a bit more course)
Sky News reporting that a Serious Case Review finds "authorities" missed several opportunities to safeguard 11 month old Callum Wilson, who was murdered by his mother. Are these the same "authorities" who are to decide if we're all mistreating our children? There's just been a talking head on Sky News telling us that we all see evidence of child abuse, we could go into any school and pick out which child was being mistreated, she used the case of Harry Potter being kept under the stairs as an example of what we should be looking for. I worry for my sanity.
The fact that the author of this proposed amendment has plucked a figure of 1.5 mio children out of thin air makes me very suspicious of the rest of what he has to say.
Let's start from some facts. Fact 1: there have been documented cases of social services departments repeatedly failing to protect children suffering from prolonged and obvious physical harm. Let's fix that.
Fact 2: there will be some cases of extremely poor parenting.
But criminalising parents over something as delicate and difficult to judge as this - particularly as a strict liability offence - is almost certainly the wrong way to address such a problem.
What every MP should have tattoed on their head is that not every problem is solved by having a new law.
'Stay with UK says ‘Scot' Simon Cowell: Si chips in to referendum debate X FACTOR boss Simon Cowell has waded into the big debate over Scottish independence, urging voters not to cut ties with England. The media mogul, who revealed he is of Scottish descent, said he would prefer the nations to co-exist as “one big happy family”.'
'Stay with UK says ‘Scot' Simon Cowell: Si chips in to referendum debate X FACTOR boss Simon Cowell has waded into the big debate over Scottish independence, urging voters not to cut ties with England. The media mogul, who revealed he is of Scottish descent, said he would prefer the nations to co-exist as “one big happy family”.'
I remember when Graham Henry was Wales coach, the Welsh national was changed to "Land not quite of my fathers"
They came from a rugby-loving country with about 3 million people and lots of sheep. Looking beyond that is just splitting hairs.
Rugby league is the worst for it, their world cups are essentially Australian get togethers.
Rugby League holds no interest for me.
I commend you for holding on to your sense despite your Northern surroundings.
It's the fifth tackle rule that annoys me, bloody softies.
Plus, rugby league is played in some right shitholes like Salford and Bradford (sorry Mr Johnno)
The fact that you named shitholes and didn't need to mention Warrington speaks volumes. (The North has some lovely places that I really liked, but Warrington wasn't one of them).
Still, when I feel like the WRU are doing stupid and incompetent things I can at least give thanks that at least they're not as bad as the people running RL.
Sky News reporting that a Serious Case Review finds "authorities" missed several opportunities to safeguard 11 month old Callum Wilson, who was murdered by his mother. Are these the same "authorities" who are to decide if we're all mistreating our children? There's just been a talking head on Sky News telling us that we all see evidence of child abuse, we could go into any school and pick out which child was being mistreated, she used the case of Harry Potter being kept under the stairs as an example of what we should be looking for. I worry for my sanity.
The decision to prosecute will lie with the CPS, not the local authority. However the cases are very different. If Callum's case is like previous cases, the gravest failings will be in the lack of information in the hands of the those responsible for taking him into care, as a result of a lack of communication, and/or a failure to act on that information properly. Neither failing is directly relevant to your worry of people wrongly prosecuted.
However there may be a general basis for suggesting that - as primary information gatherers - more strain might be put on local authorities. However, the likelihood is that prosecutions will stem from the ordinary course of business of an organisation designed for understanding whether a child is at risk of "significant harm".
'Stay with UK says ‘Scot' Simon Cowell: Si chips in to referendum debate X FACTOR boss Simon Cowell has waded into the big debate over Scottish independence, urging voters not to cut ties with England. The media mogul, who revealed he is of Scottish descent, said he would prefer the nations to co-exist as “one big happy family”.'
"I'm reasonably sure that's there's a problem, and there are objectively verifiable cases of poor parenting which fall short of the case where the kids are or should be removed. What to do about it isn't clear to me"
Of course there are examples of poor parenting which fall short of needing the child to be taken into care. There are millions of them, in every corner of the land and in every social class you will find examples of parents bringing up their children in ways that we would not approve. Of course, you and I might differ in what was acceptable in the first place.
What should be done about this? By the state, probably nothing. Its one of those situations where the state is more likely to make things worse than better.
I remember when Graham Henry was Wales coach, the Welsh national was changed to "Land not quite of my fathers"
They came from a rugby-loving country with about 3 million people and lots of sheep. Looking beyond that is just splitting hairs.
Rugby league is the worst for it, their world cups are essentially Australian get togethers.
Rugby League holds no interest for me.
I commend you for holding on to your sense despite your Northern surroundings.
It's the fifth tackle rule that annoys me, bloody softies.
Plus, rugby league is played in some right shitholes like Salford and Bradford (sorry Mr Johnno)
The fact that you named shitholes and didn't need to mention Warrington speaks volumes. (The North has some lovely places that I really liked, but Warrington wasn't one of them).
Still, when I feel like the WRU are doing stupid and incompetent things I can at least give thanks that at least they're not as bad as the people running RL.
A few years ago, my train from Liverpool to Sheffield broke down in Warrington and we had to wait for a replacement bus service.
Warrington like Liverpool, Manchester and Rotherham has the only JD sports with an evening wear section.
Clearly you are not expecting good local results for The Conservatives in Derby in May but miraculously expect everyone to turn out for them in a GE next year . How will.you guarantee the opposite of an incumbency bonus for Williamson , will you guarantee our money back on any losing bets on the Conservatives in Derby North , I expect not .
There is a lot of ill will towards Williamson with regards to the Bombardier debacle and his clumsy attempts to play politics with it, totally the opposite I would add to Margaret Beckett, who very clearly distanced herself. There is fertile ground for UKIP to take a good chunk out of the Labour vote here. Very mixed seat, too close to call so I won't guarantee anything other than it been closely fought.
The Tories have virtually no chance of winning Derby North IMO. Most of the LD vote there will be left-leaning. Lab should win by at least 5,000 votes.
Not a prayer of Labour winning this seat by 5,000 votes, this will be mighty close I can tell you that with virtual certainty and I know the seat A/Z. I did also predict we wouldn't win it last time, when even Labour thought we would. Williamson was so pessimistic he kept his council seat.
All the best Tory areas were moved out into the Mid Derbyshire seat in 2010: Allestree, Oakwood, etc. I would be prepared to bet on the Labour majority being at least 3,000 in 2015.
Not with Williamson running not a chance of a 3000 maj.
Clearly you are not expecting good local results for The Conservatives in Derby in May but miraculously expect everyone to turn out for them in a GE next year . How will.you guarantee the opposite of an incumbency bonus for Williamson , will you guarantee our money back on any losing bets on the Conservatives in Derby North , I expect not .
There is a lot of ill will towards Williamson with regards to the Bombardier debacle and his clumsy attempts to play politics with it, totally the opposite I would add to Margaret Beckett, who very clearly distanced herself. There is fertile ground for UKIP to take a good chunk out of the Labour vote here. Very mixed seat, too close to call so I won't guarantee anything other than it been closely fought.
As elsewhere the votes UKIP will take will be mostly the minority Conservative WWC vote on the Labour estates pushing the Conservatives even further behind .
'Stay with UK says ‘Scot' Simon Cowell: Si chips in to referendum debate X FACTOR boss Simon Cowell has waded into the big debate over Scottish independence, urging voters not to cut ties with England. The media mogul, who revealed he is of Scottish descent, said he would prefer the nations to co-exist as “one big happy family”.'
I remember when Graham Henry was Wales coach, the Welsh national was changed to "Land not quite of my fathers"
They came from a rugby-loving country with about 3 million people and lots of sheep. Looking beyond that is just splitting hairs.
Rugby league is the worst for it, their world cups are essentially Australian get togethers.
Rugby League holds no interest for me.
I commend you for holding on to your sense despite your Northern surroundings.
It's the fifth tackle rule that annoys me, bloody softies.
Plus, rugby league is played in some right shitholes like Salford and Bradford (sorry Mr Johnno)
The fact that you named shitholes and didn't need to mention Warrington speaks volumes. (The North has some lovely places that I really liked, but Warrington wasn't one of them).
Still, when I feel like the WRU are doing stupid and incompetent things I can at least give thanks that at least they're not as bad as the people running RL.
A few years ago, my train from Liverpool to Sheffield broke down in Warrington and we had to wait for a replacement bus service.
Warrington like Liverpool, Manchester and Rotherham has the only JD sports with an evening wear section.
I once got stuck in Doncaster under similar circumstances. Jeez, what a dump, it made Wakefield, from where I had just come, seem like a haven of high culture and learning.
Interestingly, the odds on CON winning North Warwickshire (the No.1 seat on Labour's target list) and the odds on YES are identical: 7/2.
Rubs chin.
Have SJ taken down their constituency markets? The swines!
Yes.
I made the mistake of contacting their chat service on Friday to enquire if they perhaps had a technical bug regarding their constituency prices. (Only the Bs and one or two Cs were showing.) The customer service rep asked me for my username, but before I could answer she closed the chat window. Then, when I updated the page, she had totally removed every single constituency price!
I'm just wondering if they had *accidentally* published some of their priced-up seats, and when I stupidly drew their attention to the fact they quickly took them down?
Either way, I was a tad pissed of that they effectively slammed the phone down on me.
Strange.. not that they were rude, but that they published the prices then took them down
Must have been published in error. Did you get any bets on? I tried for £20 and got offered 37p so they obv aren't up for taking bets even when the markets are up
I remember when Graham Henry was Wales coach, the Welsh national was changed to "Land not quite of my fathers"
They came from a rugby-loving country with about 3 million people and lots of sheep. Looking beyond that is just splitting hairs.
Rugby league is the worst for it, their world cups are essentially Australian get togethers.
Rugby League holds no interest for me.
I commend you for holding on to your sense despite your Northern surroundings.
It's the fifth tackle rule that annoys me, bloody softies.
Plus, rugby league is played in some right shitholes like Salford and Bradford (sorry Mr Johnno)
The fact that you named shitholes and didn't need to mention Warrington speaks volumes. (The North has some lovely places that I really liked, but Warrington wasn't one of them).
Still, when I feel like the WRU are doing stupid and incompetent things I can at least give thanks that at least they're not as bad as the people running RL.
A few years ago, my train from Liverpool to Sheffield broke down in Warrington and we had to wait for a replacement bus service.
Warrington like Liverpool, Manchester and Rotherham has the only JD sports with an evening wear section.
I once got stuck in Doncaster under similar circumstances. Jeez, what a dump, it made Wakefield, from where I had just come, seem like a haven of high culture and learning.
Doncaster is where Ed Miliband is MP for, which speaks volumes.
The only good thing to come out of Doncaster is the M18 to Sheffield.
edit: in response to your other comment, if Nick had been talking about morbidly obese children he should havee said so. He said "extremely obese" which is entirely different.
Yes, Charles, of course it is. The natural reaction to his post was definitely to presume he meant taking every child given crisps for their school lunch into care. Horrifying.
I'm a healthcare investor. Morbid obesity is a key investment theme for me. Terminology matters.
I remember when Graham Henry was Wales coach, the Welsh national was changed to "Land not quite of my fathers"
They came from a rugby-loving country with about 3 million people and lots of sheep. Looking beyond that is just splitting hairs.
Rugby league is the worst for it, their world cups are essentially Australian get togethers.
Rugby League holds no interest for me.
I commend you for holding on to your sense despite your Northern surroundings.
It's the fifth tackle rule that annoys me, bloody softies.
Plus, rugby league is played in some right shitholes like Salford and Bradford (sorry Mr Johnno)
The fact that you named shitholes and didn't need to mention Warrington speaks volumes. (The North has some lovely places that I really liked, but Warrington wasn't one of them).
Still, when I feel like the WRU are doing stupid and incompetent things I can at least give thanks that at least they're not as bad as the people running RL.
A few years ago, my train from Liverpool to Sheffield broke down in Warrington and we had to wait for a replacement bus service.
Warrington like Liverpool, Manchester and Rotherham has the only JD sports with an evening wear section.
I once got stuck in Doncaster under similar circumstances. Jeez, what a dump, it made Wakefield, from where I had just come, seem like a haven of high culture and learning.
Nothing wrong with Wakefield. I've had many a fine day and night there.
Nothing wrong with Wakefield. I've had many a fine day and night there.
Well, there were a great many things wrong with Wakefield when I used to visit it, but on the whole I agree. I certainly had many very fine runs ashore there and it certainly a piquant vibrancy all of its own. The curry house in a converted Qwik-Fit centre deserves a special mention of its own, must have seated three hundred people but the food and service was top-notch - probably my forth favourite Indian restaurant in the UK*.
The India Garden, Burgess Hill being in the number 3 slot, the place in a back street in Leeds but whose name I can't remember is at No. 2, but pride of place is Veeraswamy, just off Regent Street, which I have loved since my father took me there as a child; for food, service and ambiance it just can't be beaten.
I remember when Graham Henry was Wales coach, the Welsh national was changed to "Land not quite of my fathers"
They came from a rugby-loving country with about 3 million people and lots of sheep. Looking beyond that is just splitting hairs.
Rugby league is the worst for it, their world cups are essentially Australian get togethers.
Rugby League holds no interest for me.
I commend you for holding on to your sense despite your Northern surroundings.
It's the fifth tackle rule that annoys me, bloody softies.
Plus, rugby league is played in some right shitholes like Salford and Bradford (sorry Mr Johnno)
The fact that you named shitholes and didn't need to mention Warrington speaks volumes. (The North has some lovely places that I really liked, but Warrington wasn't one of them).
Still, when I feel like the WRU are doing stupid and incompetent things I can at least give thanks that at least they're not as bad as the people running RL.
A few years ago, my train from Liverpool to Sheffield broke down in Warrington and we had to wait for a replacement bus service.
Warrington like Liverpool, Manchester and Rotherham has the only JD sports with an evening wear section.
I once got stuck in Doncaster under similar circumstances. Jeez, what a dump, it made Wakefield, from where I had just come, seem like a haven of high culture and learning.
Nothing wrong with Wakefield. I've had many a fine day and night there.
Doesn't Wakefield have the new Barbara Hepworth art gallery?
As elsewhere the votes UKIP will take will be mostly the minority Conservative WWC vote on the Labour estates pushing the Conservatives even further behind .
More so off Labour here, you sound very complacent in general.
Nothing wrong with Wakefield. I've had many a fine day and night there.
Well, there were a great many things wrong with Wakefield when I used to visit it, but on the whole I agree. I certainly had many very fine runs ashore there and it certainly a piquant vibrancy all of its own. The curry house in a converted Qwik-Fit centre deserves a special mention of its own, must have seated three hundred people but the food and service was top-notch - probably my forth favourite Indian restaurant in the UK*.
The India Garden, Burgess Hill being in the number 3 slot, the place in a back street in Leeds but whose name I can't remember is at No. 2, but pride of place is Veeraswamy, just off Regent Street, which I have loved since my father took me there as a child; for food, service and ambiance it just can't be beaten.
I dined in that curry factory the last time I was up there - back in December. There are some very fine pubs up there as well.
I remember when Graham Henry was Wales coach, the Welsh national was changed to "Land not quite of my fathers"
They came from a rugby-loving country with about 3 million people and lots of sheep. Looking beyond that is just splitting hairs.
Rugby league is the worst for it, their world cups are essentially Australian get togethers.
Rugby League holds no interest for me.
I commend you for holding on to your sense despite your Northern surroundings.
It's the fifth tackle rule that annoys me, bloody softies.
Plus, rugby league is played in some right shitholes like Salford and Bradford (sorry Mr Johnno)
The fact that you named shitholes and didn't need to mention Warrington speaks volumes. (The North has some lovely places that I really liked, but Warrington wasn't one of them).
Still, when I feel like the WRU are doing stupid and incompetent things I can at least give thanks that at least they're not as bad as the people running RL.
A few years ago, my train from Liverpool to Sheffield broke down in Warrington and we had to wait for a replacement bus service.
Warrington like Liverpool, Manchester and Rotherham has the only JD sports with an evening wear section.
I once got stuck in Doncaster under similar circumstances. Jeez, what a dump, it made Wakefield, from where I had just come, seem like a haven of high culture and learning.
Nothing wrong with Wakefield. I've had many a fine day and night there.
Doesn't Wakefield have the new Barbara Hepworth art gallery?
It does. And there's that sculpture park a few miles down the motorway. And you're not that far from the Dales or Leeds or York or plenty of other places that are well worth a visit.
There can't really be a referendum in the rUK on currency union until an outline deal is agreed. People have to know what they are voting for. I think Darling is wrong about Sturgeon. She must understand what the implications of currency union are. It's more a case of not wanting to talk them through prior to the vote.
Perhaps at some stage someone will ask the SNP leadership what amount of sovereignty they are prepared to cede in order to keep the pound. Is it just the ability to decide monetary and fiscal policy, or will they throw Faslane in as well?
SO , they are running rings round the unionists and what would you expect with an idiot like Darling in charge. They deserve all they get, a YES gets ever more likely.
It is looking that way. But should that happen, Scots voters do need to be aware of what will follow. And what will follow is one of two things: 1. There will be no currency union. 2. There will be a currency union that will see Scotland ceding control of fiscal and monetary policy to a foreign government. I have always thought it would be 2, but the implications of that are pretty major in terms of an independent Scotland's ability to manage its economic trajectory, which is why Osborne, Alexander and Balls all say a monetary union is not in an independent Scotland's best interests. It's a shame these issues are not being properly discussed, but the unionist side can't be seen to back down from a silly position and the SNP clearly do not want to admit that, in practice, their promises on everything from an oil fund through reduced rates of business taxes to higher welfare spending would not be possible.
SO I doubt very much there will be a currency union , I expect the final position to be to use sterling with a proper fiscal budget , given that I expect we will be debt free or have some spare cash based on our share of the assets. Rump will have 5 years to get a base for Trident or scrap them. Longer term it will be our own currency or Euro depending on financial climate
Mr. G, a guess, but (if Yes wins) I'd agree with you on that. However, the impact would be long term acrimony between us and you (you'd be taking no debt and costing us a fortune with the Faslane move. I know you can argue this could/should have been taken into account earlier, but the fact remains the British taxpayer will get a bloody enormous bill from the same country whose banks and Chancellors gave us a staggering debt, of which possibly none will be taken on by that same country).
We'll have massive debts for decades. If Scotland does well it'll fuel resentment, if it does badly, Schadenfreude. That's a great shame, and it would be a bad way for a successful union to end.
At the same time it's likely many Scottish financial institutions will head south, reducing employment (particularly with high paid jobs) and harming Scotland's economy.
SO I doubt very much there will be a currency union , I expect the final position to be to use sterling with a proper fiscal budget , given that I expect we will be debt free or have some spare cash based on our share of the assets. Rump will have 5 years to get a base for Trident or scrap them. Longer term it will be our own currency or Euro depending on financial climate
I doubt very much that the rest of the UK would agree that you would be debt free. And if they don't, what then?
It has been a while but I do remember some pubs in particular, the Black Swan, The College, The Elephant (opposite the station) and what we called the Rat & Ferret but actually had a legal sounding name (and legal prints on the walls) which I can't remember (up an alleyway by the Black Swan). First class boozers all.
Nice to know the curry factory is still in business. When the EU made Bombay Duck illegal they used to keep a secret stock which they sold to "special customers" - on a plate with a napkin covering the contents. Happy days.
As elsewhere the votes UKIP will take will be mostly the minority Conservative WWC vote on the Labour estates pushing the Conservatives even further behind .
More so off Labour here, you sound very complacent in general.
Why more off Labour ? Why is Derby different to everywhere else ? I am not a Labour supporter so complacency does not figure into my views I am simply looking at all the available electoral evidence and that all points to a Conservative defeat in Derby North in 2015 .
Mr. G, a guess, but (if Yes wins) I'd agree with you on that. However, the impact would be long term acrimony between us and you (you'd be taking no debt and costing us a fortune with the Faslane move. I know you can argue this could/should have been taken into account earlier, but the fact remains the British taxpayer will get a bloody enormous bill from the same country whose banks and Chancellors gave us a staggering debt, of which possibly none will be taken on by that same country).
We'll have massive debts for decades. If Scotland does well it'll fuel resentment, if it does badly, Schadenfreude. That's a great shame, and it would be a bad way for a successful union to end.
At the same time it's likely many Scottish financial institutions will head south, reducing employment (particularly with high paid jobs) and harming Scotland's economy.
MD, They will not move if it costs them money , given they will have lower costs for staff , office space etc , the only thing that will move will be brass plates. We heard all this in 1997 , there will be no exodus. There will also be movement the other way , it will all pan out in the end and I have no doubt Scotland will be a successful if not rich independent country.
SO I doubt very much there will be a currency union , I expect the final position to be to use sterling with a proper fiscal budget , given that I expect we will be debt free or have some spare cash based on our share of the assets. Rump will have 5 years to get a base for Trident or scrap them. Longer term it will be our own currency or Euro depending on financial climate
I doubt very much that the rest of the UK would agree that you would be debt free. And if they don't, what then?
Do you read the papers, we do not have any debt , they have already said it is all the UK's. The way these donkeys negotiate then you can be sure they will walk away with nothing, they will want to keep the assets and so will get to keep the debts. Even if not our share of all the assets will be much the same value so it will be no big deal for us either way
Mr. G, there's the lender of last resort issue and the fact that many/most institutions will have 90% plus non-Scottish customers. They'll have the choice of moving or facing losing customers to other firms that will run marketing campaigns about how terribly British they are.
I'm sure, if Yes wins, Scotland will not fall into the sea, but in the immediate term there will probably be significant pain on both sides. I fear your optimism (perhaps justified) on the campaign is ill-placed on the aftermath. It could very well be lose-lose.
I have no doubt Scotland will be a successful if not rich independent country
Of course it would.
But that is very different to saying it would not start off with debts (to the rUK as they will be responsible for the UK debts) and a large deficit too.
Bit surprising they haven't selected in Norwich S as that is one of their few good prospects
It may have something to do with the previous candidate leaving the city. I guess it's a case of getting May's elections out of the way now and selecting shortly afterwards.
Why more off Labour ? Why is Derby different to everywhere else ? I am not a Labour supporter so complacency does not figure into my views I am simply looking at all the available electoral evidence and that all points to a Conservative defeat in Derby North in 2015 .
I explained earlier, Williamson brassed off a huge swathe of the working population of Derby with his playing politics over Bombardier, in spite of the history. UKIP will take a chunk of this, as will the Tories.
I know the area, like Amber Valley in the last election, if you have an MP who is unpopular it can be fatal and there is far less for the Tories to go at in Amber Valley than Derby North.
Wrong thinking in my opinion to use general trends to predict single marginal seats
Why more off Labour ? Why is Derby different to everywhere else ? I am not a Labour supporter so complacency does not figure into my views I am simply looking at all the available electoral evidence and that all points to a Conservative defeat in Derby North in 2015 .
I explained earlier, Williamson brassed off a huge swathe of the working population of Derby with his playing politics over Bombardier, in spite of the history. UKIP will take a chunk of this, as will the Tories.
I know the area, like Amber Valley in the last election, if you have an MP who is unpopular it can be fatal and there is far less for the Tories to go at in Amber Valley than Derby North.
Wrong thinking in my opinion to use general trends to predict single marginal seats
It is even more wrong and extreme wishful thinking to believe that the seat you are primarily involved in will behave in a totally different manner to all other similar seats .
Received a 90 page book through the post today "Out of the EU, Into the World.. The UK does not need to be in a political union in order to trade and other inconvenient truths".. An efd/ukip publication written by William Dartmouth.
Preface from Farage
"The 1960s and 1970s were full of bad choices; the Decca record label turned down The Beatles, the FA sacked Sir Alf Ramsey, the USA decided to give military "assistance" to Vietnam, and Edward Heath took the UK into the "Common Market" "
I have no doubt Scotland will be a successful if not rich independent country
Of course it would.
But that is very different to saying it would not start off with debts (to the rUK as they will be responsible for the UK debts) and a large deficit too.
Actually, Mr. Neil, the more I think about it the more I think it might be in the best interests of both countries for a clean break. EWNI take on the whole debt and let Scotland start with a clean slate. No need for any long and complex negotiations 1st January 2015 Scotland is independent, that's it job done. Faslane vacated (weapons back to Aldermaston, boats to Devonport), RAF and Army to barracks and airfields in England (we have space), border posts erected. Then afterwards we can talk about issues of mutual concern as they arise.
Received a 90 page book through the post today "Out of the EU, Into the World.. The UK does not need to be in a political union in order to trade and other inconvenient truths".. An efd/ukip publication written by William Dartmouth.
Preface from Farage
"The 1960s and 1970s were full of bad choices; the Decca record label turned down The Beatles, the FA sacked Sir Alf Ramsey, the USA decided to give military "assistance" to Vietnam, and Edward Heath took the UK into the "Common Market" "
I received mine a couple of days ago as well. I was going to raise it on here not least as a means of continuing the ongoing discussion with Robert S about the post exit strategy (or lack of one)
I did find it very much a parson's egg and would have to say that overall I am disappointed.
It looks good. It makes lots of good well argued points. It is jam packed full of useful information and sets the record straight very well about the cost to trade - or at least to our balance of payments - of being part of the EU.
But after all the build up it fails to deliver. It makes good points about EFTA and about the new world of trade in the wake of GATT and the new trade agreements between many divers economies around the world. But where I had hope it would come down with a definite blueprint for a post-EU settlement, it fails to provide any clear guidance as to what UKIP envisages our position should be. It appears to dismiss EFTA membership and assumes we will simply carve our own way outside of any formal trade system at all.
I am not sure it does the BOO cause any real good - certainly in the eyes of economists.
SO I doubt very much there will be a currency union , I expect the final position to be to use sterling with a proper fiscal budget , given that I expect we will be debt free or have some spare cash based on our share of the assets. Rump will have 5 years to get a base for Trident or scrap them. Longer term it will be our own currency or Euro depending on financial climate
I doubt very much that the rest of the UK would agree that you would be debt free. And if they don't, what then?
Do you read the papers, we do not have any debt , they have already said it is all the UK's. The way these donkeys negotiate then you can be sure they will walk away with nothing, they will want to keep the assets and so will get to keep the debts. Even if not our share of all the assets will be much the same value so it will be no big deal for us either way
if Scotland reneges on its share of UK debt, England will veto Scotland's membership application of the EU, until and unless Scotland *changes its mind*. And that will just be the start.
It could get extremely messy very very quickly. Yet according to Salmond it will all be a breeze. If Scots buy this absurd drivel from the Nats, good luck to 'em.
You are missing the wood here.
ASalmond's game plan is independence. He doesn't give a tuppenny chuff how he gets it and all and every detail can follow. Forevermore Scotland will be an independent country and he will have achieved that.
No wonder he is making fantasy promises. No one is going to ask for a re-run of the referendum if one or other of them fails to materialise.
As for currency union I have no doubt that there will be something similar with a lesser degree of fiscal and monetary autonomy but again, that will pass. As for debt, something sensible will be worked out.
This is a bigger play than the details of day-to-day politics.
ASalmond is as close as he could ever be to immortality.
Received a 90 page book through the post today "Out of the EU, Into the World.. The UK does not need to be in a political union in order to trade and other inconvenient truths".. An efd/ukip publication written by William Dartmouth.
Preface from Farage
"The 1960s and 1970s were full of bad choices; the Decca record label turned down The Beatles, the FA sacked Sir Alf Ramsey, the USA decided to give military "assistance" to Vietnam, and Edward Heath took the UK into the "Common Market" "
But where I had hope it would come down with a definite blueprint for a post-EU settlement, it fails to provide any clear guidance as to what UKIP envisages our position should be. It appears to dismiss EFTA membership and assumes we will simply carve our own way outside of any formal trade system at all.
I am not sure it does the BOO cause any real good - certainly in the eyes of economists.
The IEA Brexit Prize winner will be announced on April 8th. Perhaps that will provide what you're looking for.
SO I doubt very much there will be a currency union , I expect the final position to be to use sterling with a proper fiscal budget , given that I expect we will be debt free or have some spare cash based on our share of the assets. Rump will have 5 years to get a base for Trident or scrap them. Longer term it will be our own currency or Euro depending on financial climate
I doubt very much that the rest of the UK would agree that you would be debt free. And if they don't, what then?
Do you read the papers, we do not have any debt , they have already said it is all the UK's. The way these donkeys negotiate then you can be sure they will walk away with nothing, they will want to keep the assets and so will get to keep the debts. Even if not our share of all the assets will be much the same value so it will be no big deal for us either way
id luck to 'em.
You are missing the wood here.
ASalmond's game plan is independence. He doesn't give a tuppenny chuff how he gets it and all and every detail can follow. Forevermore Scotland will be an independent country and he will have achieved that.
No wonder he is making fantasy promises. No one is going to ask for a re-run of the referendum if one or other of them fails to materialise.
As for currency union I have no doubt that there will be something similar with a lesser degree of fiscal and monetary autonomy but again, that will pass. As for debt, something sensible will be worked out.
This is a bigger play than the details of day-to-day politics.
ASalmond is as close as he could ever be to immortality.
That's as maybe. But there won't be a currency union, it is simply not in the interests of English voters, or the English Treasury, to act as a backstop for a foreign country, or to be required to bail out foreign banks.
I'm sure if Scotland went into meltdown the English would help out, from self-interest, as we loaned money to Ireland (having a neighbour in turmoil is bad). But did we bail out the Irish economy? Are we on the hook for Allied Irish? No.
As for the benefits of sharing a cross-border currency, England will accrue them anyway, as Scotland's only alternative to a currency union (as the euro is off the menu) will be to use sterling informally, or peg the Groat to the Pound.
That's what will happen.
Salmond is asking his people to take a huge leap in the dark. But yes, he might easily persuade the Scots, and he won't care about the consequences. There will be statues of him on Princes St.
I wouldn't underestimate the ability of the UK govt to accommodate to a huge extent what would be a nascent neighbour.
I wouldn't underestimate the ability of the UK govt to accommodate to a huge extent what would be a nascent neighbour.
My reading of opinion is that the remaining British public would NOT be in a mood to bend over backwards to make life easy for the Scots, should they leave. I really hope they don't. Half my family are Scots and my dad would be devastated for one. However, if they do go then my attitude is that they've made their bed and I don't want the UK government to shoulder more debt or risk than they have to. Certainly the SNP have given every impression of a bunch who bitterly hate the English, so I don't particularly feel like making their life easy.
SO I doubt very much there will be a currency union , I expect the final position to be to use sterling with a proper fiscal budget , given that I expect we will be debt free or have some spare cash based on our share of the assets. Rump will have 5 years to get a base for Trident or scrap them. Longer term it will be our own currency or Euro depending on financial climate
I doubt very much that the rest of the UK would agree that you would be debt free. And if they don't, what then?
Do you read the papers, we do not have any debt , they have already said it is all the UK's. The way these donkeys negotiate then you can be sure they will walk away with nothing, they will want to keep the assets and so will get to keep the debts. Even if not our share of all the assets will be much the same value so it will be no big deal f
Sean, there was no mention of reneging, I said after negotiations the agreement will be that we walk away. You choose not to read what was posted.
SO I doubt very much there will be a currency union , I expect the final position to be to use sterling with a proper fiscal budget , given that I expect we will be debt free or have some spare cash based on our share of the assets. Rump will have 5 years to get a base for Trident or scrap them. Longer term it will be our own currency or Euro depending on financial climate
I doubt very much that the rest of the UK would agree that you would be debt free. And if they don't, what then?
id luck to 'em.
You are missing the wood here.
ASalmond's game plan is independence. He doesn't give a tuppenny chuff how he gets it and all and every detail can follow. Forevermore Scotland will be an independent country and he will have achieved that.
No wonder he is making fantasy promises. No one is going to ask for a re-run of the referendum if one or other of them fails to materialise.
As for currency union I have no doubt that there will be something similar with a lesser degree of fiscal and monetary autonomy but again, that will pass. As for debt, something sensible will be worked out.
This is a bigger play than the details of day-to-day politics.
ASalmond is as close as he could ever be to immortality.
That's as maybe. But there won't be a currency union, it is simply not in the interests of English voters, or the English Treasury, to act as a backstop for a foreign country, or to be required to bail out foreign banks.
I'm sure if Scotland went into meltdown the English would help out, from self-interest, as we loaned money to Ireland (having a neighbour in turmoil is bad). But did we bail out the Irish economy? Are we on the hook for Allied Irish? No.
As for the benefits of sharing a cross-border currency, England will accrue them anyway, as Scotland's only alternative to a currency union (as the euro is off the menu) will be to use sterling informally, or peg the Groat to the Pound.
That's what will happen.
Salmond is asking his people to take a huge leap in the dark. But yes, he might easily persuade the Scots, and he won't care about the consequences. There will be statues of him on Princes St.
I wouldn't underestimate the ability of the UK govt to accommodate to a huge extent what would be a nascent neighbour.
More likely Scotland would be helping a bankrupt neighbour than the other way round. We will live within our means , I doubt that will ever be the case with rUK
SO I doubt very much there will be a currency union , I expect the final position to be to use sterling with a proper fiscal budget , given that I expect we will be debt free or have some spare cash based on our share of the assets. Rump will have 5 years to get a base for Trident or scrap them. Longer term it will be our own currency or Euro depending on financial climate
I doubt very much that the rest of the UK would agree that you would be debt free. And if they don't, what then?
Do you read the papers, we do not have any debt , they have already said it is all the UK's. The way these donkeys negotiate then you can be sure they will walk away with nothing, they will want to keep the assets and so will get to keep the debts. Even if not our share of all the assets will be much the same value so it will be no big deal for us either way
if Scotland reneges on its share of UK debt, England will veto Scotland's membership application of the EU, until and unless Scotland *changes its mind*. And that will just be the start.
It could get extremely messy very very quickly. Yet according to Salmond it will all be a breeze. If Scots buy this absurd drivel from the Nats, good luck to 'em.
UK will never have the bollocks to veto Scotland in the EU, it would be seen for what it was petty nasty jingoistic self interest, would be a disaster for England.
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Let's start from some facts. Fact 1: there have been documented cases of social services departments repeatedly failing to protect children suffering from prolonged and obvious physical harm. Let's fix that.
Fact 2: there will be some cases of extremely poor parenting.
But criminalising parents over something as delicate and difficult to judge as this - particularly as a strict liability offence - is almost certainly the wrong way to address such a problem.
What every MP should have tattoed on their head is that not every problem is solved by having a new law.
"A message must be sent."
"Think of the children."
Plus, rugby league is played in some right shitholes like Salford and Bradford (sorry Mr Johnno)
Sometimes I think politicians view laws as a combination of magic incantations and newspaper-pleasing propaganda. Got a problem? Throw a law at it!
'Stay with UK says ‘Scot' Simon Cowell: Si chips in to referendum debate
X FACTOR boss Simon Cowell has waded into the big debate over Scottish independence, urging voters not to cut ties with England.
The media mogul, who revealed he is of Scottish descent, said he would prefer the nations to co-exist as “one big happy family”.'
http://tinyurl.com/pqawrbp
Still, when I feel like the WRU are doing stupid and incompetent things I can at least give thanks that at least they're not as bad as the people running RL.
However there may be a general basis for suggesting that - as primary information gatherers - more strain might be put on local authorities. However, the likelihood is that prosecutions will stem from the ordinary course of business of an organisation designed for understanding whether a child is at risk of "significant harm".
"I'm reasonably sure that's there's a problem, and there are objectively verifiable cases of poor parenting which fall short of the case where the kids are or should be removed. What to do about it isn't clear to me"
Of course there are examples of poor parenting which fall short of needing the child to be taken into care. There are millions of them, in every corner of the land and in every social class you will find examples of parents bringing up their children in ways that we would not approve. Of course, you and I might differ in what was acceptable in the first place.
What should be done about this? By the state, probably nothing. Its one of those situations where the state is more likely to make things worse than better.
Warrington like Liverpool, Manchester and Rotherham has the only JD sports with an evening wear section.
There is a lot of ill will towards Williamson with regards to the Bombardier debacle and his clumsy attempts to play politics with it, totally the opposite I would add to Margaret Beckett, who very clearly distanced herself. There is fertile ground for UKIP to take a good chunk out of the Labour vote here. Very mixed seat, too close to call so I won't guarantee anything other than it been closely fought.
There is a lot of ill will towards Williamson with regards to the Bombardier debacle and his clumsy attempts to play politics with it, totally the opposite I would add to Margaret Beckett, who very clearly distanced herself. There is fertile ground for UKIP to take a good chunk out of the Labour vote here. Very mixed seat, too close to call so I won't guarantee anything other than it been closely fought.
As elsewhere the votes UKIP will take will be mostly the minority Conservative WWC vote on the Labour estates pushing the Conservatives even further behind .
Must have been published in error. Did you get any bets on? I tried for £20 and got offered 37p so they obv aren't up for taking bets even when the markets are up
The only good thing to come out of Doncaster is the M18 to Sheffield.
Ashford: Mandy Rossi.
Bath: Dominic Tristram.
Brighton Kemptown: Davy Jones.
Brighton Pavilion: Caroline Lucas*.
Bristol South: Tony Dyer.
Broxtowe: David Kirwan.
Devon North: Ricky Knight.
Devon West & Torridge: Cathrine Simmons.
Dorset South: Jane Burnet.
Dorset West: Peter Barton.
Dudley South: Vicky Duckworth.
Hove: Christopher Hawtree.
Ipswich: Mark Ereira-Guyer.
Lewes: Alfie Stirling.
Liverpool Riverside: Martin Dobson.
Reading East: Rob White.
Solihull: Howard Allen.
Somerset North East: Gordon Ingram.
Southampton Test: Angela Mawle.
Suffolk Coastal: Rachel Smith-Lyte.
Suffolk South: Robert Lindsay.
Taunton Deane: Clive Martin.
Thanet South: Ian Driver.
Waveney: Graham Elliott.
Windsor: Derek Wall.
Worcester: Louis Stephen.
The India Garden, Burgess Hill being in the number 3 slot, the place in a back street in Leeds but whose name I can't remember is at No. 2, but pride of place is Veeraswamy, just off Regent Street, which I have loved since my father took me there as a child; for food, service and ambiance it just can't be beaten.
More so off Labour here, you sound very complacent in general.
We'll have massive debts for decades. If Scotland does well it'll fuel resentment, if it does badly, Schadenfreude. That's a great shame, and it would be a bad way for a successful union to end.
At the same time it's likely many Scottish financial institutions will head south, reducing employment (particularly with high paid jobs) and harming Scotland's economy.
It has been a while but I do remember some pubs in particular, the Black Swan, The College, The Elephant (opposite the station) and what we called the Rat & Ferret but actually had a legal sounding name (and legal prints on the walls) which I can't remember (up an alleyway by the Black Swan). First class boozers all.
Nice to know the curry factory is still in business. When the EU made Bombay Duck illegal they used to keep a secret stock which they sold to "special customers" - on a plate with a napkin covering the contents. Happy days.
Why more off Labour ? Why is Derby different to everywhere else ? I am not a Labour supporter so complacency does not figure into my views I am simply looking at all the available electoral evidence and that all points to a Conservative defeat in Derby North in 2015 .
I'm sure, if Yes wins, Scotland will not fall into the sea, but in the immediate term there will probably be significant pain on both sides. I fear your optimism (perhaps justified) on the campaign is ill-placed on the aftermath. It could very well be lose-lose.
But that is very different to saying it would not start off with debts (to the rUK as they will be responsible for the UK debts) and a large deficit too.
Why more off Labour ? Why is Derby different to everywhere else ? I am not a Labour supporter so complacency does not figure into my views I am simply looking at all the available electoral evidence and that all points to a Conservative defeat in Derby North in 2015 .
I explained earlier, Williamson brassed off a huge swathe of the working population of Derby with his playing politics over Bombardier, in spite of the history. UKIP will take a chunk of this, as will the Tories.
I know the area, like Amber Valley in the last election, if you have an MP who is unpopular it can be fatal and there is far less for the Tories to go at in Amber Valley than Derby North.
Wrong thinking in my opinion to use general trends to predict single marginal seats
I know the area, like Amber Valley in the last election, if you have an MP who is unpopular it can be fatal and there is far less for the Tories to go at in Amber Valley than Derby North.
Wrong thinking in my opinion to use general trends to predict single marginal seats
It is even more wrong and extreme wishful thinking to believe that the seat you are primarily involved in will behave in a totally different manner to all other similar seats .
Preface from Farage
"The 1960s and 1970s were full of bad choices; the Decca record label turned down The Beatles, the FA sacked Sir Alf Ramsey, the USA decided to give military "assistance" to Vietnam, and Edward Heath took the UK into the "Common Market" "
I did find it very much a parson's egg and would have to say that overall I am disappointed.
It looks good. It makes lots of good well argued points. It is jam packed full of useful information and sets the record straight very well about the cost to trade - or at least to our balance of payments - of being part of the EU.
But after all the build up it fails to deliver. It makes good points about EFTA and about the new world of trade in the wake of GATT and the new trade agreements between many divers economies around the world. But where I had hope it would come down with a definite blueprint for a post-EU settlement, it fails to provide any clear guidance as to what UKIP envisages our position should be. It appears to dismiss EFTA membership and assumes we will simply carve our own way outside of any formal trade system at all.
I am not sure it does the BOO cause any real good - certainly in the eyes of economists.
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Irish eyes are smiling at this choice of words.
ASalmond's game plan is independence. He doesn't give a tuppenny chuff how he gets it and all and every detail can follow. Forevermore Scotland will be an independent country and he will have achieved that.
No wonder he is making fantasy promises. No one is going to ask for a re-run of the referendum if one or other of them fails to materialise.
As for currency union I have no doubt that there will be something similar with a lesser degree of fiscal and monetary autonomy but again, that will pass. As for debt, something sensible will be worked out.
This is a bigger play than the details of day-to-day politics.
ASalmond is as close as he could ever be to immortality.
http://www.iea.org.uk/brexit
4/7 Labour
5/4 Conservatives