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Reform, no joy just division. Will Lowe tear us apart? – politicalbetting.com

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  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,991
    edited 10:50PM
    nico67 said:

    If rumours are correct it looks like the UK government are willing to provoke the “ Brexit betrayal “ tirades from the right wing press in an effort to give a boost to growth .

    And of course the OBR will factor in any easing of trade barriers with the EU to its forecasts so this could help Reeves .

    There are two appropriate ways to engage:

    1. To help make the rules, and to be bound by them.
    2. To not be involved in making the rules, and to not be bound by them.

    Dynamic alignment is not a brexit betrayal. It's a betrayal of democracy.

    Staying in the EEA, for example - a very soft brexit - is not betrayal of brexit. So it's not about soft or hard. It's about who governs and on whose authority.

    I hope that, if Starmer does sign up to this, he at least gets what the EEA gets - full technical involvement in the rulemaking comittees but no vote.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,239
    carnforth said:

    nico67 said:

    If rumours are correct it looks like the UK government are willing to provoke the “ Brexit betrayal “ tirades from the right wing press in an effort to give a boost to growth .

    And of course the OBR will factor in any easing of trade barriers with the EU to its forecasts so this could help Reeves .

    There are two appropriate ways to engage:

    1. To help make the rules, and to be bound by them.
    2. To not be involved in making the rules, and to not be bound by them.

    Dynamic alignment is not a brexit betrayal. It's a betrayal of democracy.

    Staying in the EEA, for example - a very soft brexit - is not betrayal of brexit. So it's not about soft or hard. It's about who governs and on whose authority.

    I hope that, if Starmer does sign up to this, he at least gets what the EEA gets - full technical involvement in the rulemaking comittees but no vote.
    Probably need FoM for that, (which I think would be great, but sadly not politically doable at the moment).
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