Off Topic, just catching up with the threads. I am with antifrank on the Clegg vs Farage debates, I had no inclination to catch last weeks event, and I am a bit of a political anorak. Why bother when the whole issue of our membership of the EU was far more neatly debated, tied up and delivered by the BBC QuestionTime panel and audience on Thursday night.
We all know that the Libdems want to stay in the EU while UKIP wants us to leave it, we don't need two debates between two leaders dancing around their handbags over why its best to be in or out of the EU when neither of them are in a position or have any intention of trying to deliver a vote on the outcome of that debate! Clegg and the Libdems helped prevent a referendum in the UK on the Lisbon Treaty during the last Parliament, and then the Clegg and the Libdems voted with Labour to deny us a Referendum on the EU in the next Parliament.
There is only one party trying to renegotiate a better deal for the UK in the current EU, and that party is the only one who also wants to deliver an In/Out referendum in the next Parliament on the back of the failure or success of their endeavours on this issue. Why on earth anyone thought that Cameron was going to be the big loser of a debate on the EU between Clegg and Farage because he wasn't there is anyone's guess. No, the big losers in this debate were both Clegg and Miliband when they made the political mistake of voting to block an In/Out EU referendum in the next Parliament, Farage and his party are simple also rans in this debate. Vote UKIP and you get a Labour Government who doesn't even want a discussion on Europe let alone a vote on our membership of the current as it stands today.
The Clegg vs Farage debates are just meaningless chaff for two party leaders who need to convince their own faithful followers that they actually are the natural party of the protest/none of the above vote at the next GE. Its kind of ironic that both these supposedly 'libertarian' leaders really don't want Cameron's In/Out Referendum in 2017, and because actually asking the electorate to decide this debate once and for all for might deliver an answer one of them doesn't like.
Not sure that front page is quite what the Yes Campaign wants right now, especially with a recent poll showing Scots believing the SNP line that it was all a bluff. It makes the Currency Union issue very much a live issue in the news once again, and lets be honest, this is one issue that can only be decided by a referendum in the rest of the UK once Scotland has voted Yes to Independence. I am a bit of cynic, and the timing of this intervention/briefing about feasibility of a Currency Union so soon after that latest polling finding makes me think that Better Together wants another go at getting their message home on this. So I hope that you like me agree that it would be a positive move to see the Yes campaign explain that a Currency Union can only be delivered if the rest of the UK agree to it in a referendum after that Yes vote.
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Not sure that front page is quite what the Yes Campaign wants right now, especially with a recent poll showing Scots believing the SNP line that it was all a bluff. It makes the Currency Union issue very much a live issue in the news once again, and lets be honest, this is one issue that can only be decided by a referendum in the rest of the UK once Scotland has voted Yes to Independence. I am a bit of cynic, and the timing of this intervention/briefing about feasibility of a Currency Union so soon after that latest polling finding makes me think that Better Together wants another go at getting their message home on this. So I hope that you like me agree that it would be a positive move to see the Yes campaign explain that a Currency Union can only be delivered if the rest of the UK agree to it in a referendum after that Yes vote.
That must be in the running for one of the oddest posts in PB history.
Akin to responding to the headline "Man Shoots Himself in Foot" with a convoluted argument that the man was just trying to draw the world's attention to:
a) his extraordinarily fine (former) foot b) what a superb shot he is
Not sure that front page is quite what the Yes Campaign wants right now, especially with a recent poll showing Scots believing the SNP line that it was all a bluff. It makes the Currency Union issue very much a live issue in the news once again, and lets be honest, this is one issue that can only be decided by a referendum in the rest of the UK once Scotland has voted Yes to Independence. I am a bit of cynic, and the timing of this intervention/briefing about feasibility of a Currency Union so soon after that latest polling finding makes me think that Better Together wants another go at getting their message home on this. So I hope that you like me agree that it would be a positive move to see the Yes campaign explain that a Currency Union can only be delivered if the rest of the UK agree to it in a referendum after that Yes vote.
That must be in the running for one of the oddest posts in PB history.
Akin to responding to the headline "Man Shoots Himself in Foot" with a convoluted argument that the man was just trying to draw the world's attention to:
a) his extraordinarily fine (former) foot b) what a superb shot he is
Not odd in the slightest for PB's leading anti-tipster and scottish tory surger. It's so painful and toecurling to observe Fitalass blunder cluelessly about politics it's akin to watching Forrest Gump trying to spin for the tories and the No campaign.
Not sure that front page is quite what the Yes Campaign wants right now, especially with a recent poll showing Scots believing the SNP line that it was all a bluff. It makes the Currency Union issue very much a live issue in the news once again, and lets be honest, this is one issue that can only be decided by a referendum in the rest of the UK once Scotland has voted Yes to Independence. I am a bit of cynic, and the timing of this intervention/briefing about feasibility of a Currency Union so soon after that latest polling finding makes me think that Better Together wants another go at getting their message home on this. So I hope that you like me agree that it would be a positive move to see the Yes campaign explain that a Currency Union can only be delivered if the rest of the UK agree to it in a referendum after that Yes vote.
The receding effect was visible even before with Yougov as it is daily. The monthly one's obviously would not show that as this it their first post budget poll.
I think the true lead is about 3-4% more than enough for Dr Fisher and Rod C to get excited.
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I am with antifrank on the Clegg vs Farage debates, I had no inclination to catch last weeks event, and I am a bit of a political anorak. Why bother when the whole issue of our membership of the EU was far more neatly debated, tied up and delivered by the BBC QuestionTime panel and audience on Thursday night.
We all know that the Libdems want to stay in the EU while UKIP wants us to leave it, we don't need two debates between two leaders dancing around their handbags over why its best to be in or out of the EU when neither of them are in a position or have any intention of trying to deliver a vote on the outcome of that debate! Clegg and the Libdems helped prevent a referendum in the UK on the Lisbon Treaty during the last Parliament, and then the Clegg and the Libdems voted with Labour to deny us a Referendum on the EU in the next Parliament.
There is only one party trying to renegotiate a better deal for the UK in the current EU, and that party is the only one who also wants to deliver an In/Out referendum in the next Parliament on the back of the failure or success of their endeavours on this issue. Why on earth anyone thought that Cameron was going to be the big loser of a debate on the EU between Clegg and Farage because he wasn't there is anyone's guess. No, the big losers in
this debate were both Clegg and Miliband when they made the political mistake of voting to block an In/Out EU referendum in the next Parliament, Farage and his party are simple also
rans in this debate. Vote UKIP and you get a Labour Government who doesn't even want a discussion on Europe let alone a vote on our membership of the current as it stands today.
The Clegg vs Farage debates are just meaningless chaff for two party leaders who need to convince their own faithful followers that they actually are the natural party of the protest/none of the above vote at the next GE. Its kind of ironic that both these supposedly 'libertarian' leaders really don't want Cameron's In/Out Referendum in 2017, and because actually asking the electorate to decide this debate once and for all for might deliver an answer one of them doesn't like.
Can you justify that recommendation?
Sounds like an unwarranted projection to me.
We haven't lost an hour, we're just nearer our future !!
Some decent sport today - Malaysian GP .. 20/20 World Cup .. Liverpool beating Spurs .. Rafa V Novak in the Miami Masters .. Spring Auchentannach LibDem Eliminations ..
Akin to responding to the headline "Man Shoots Himself in Foot" with a convoluted argument that the man was just trying to draw the world's attention to:
a) his extraordinarily fine (former) foot
b) what a superb shot he is
The Labour lead of 7 is right at the margins
LD 2010 VI split is atypical again. It is LAB 37, LD 31 which is way out of line with rest of the recent results.
100 % UNSPOOFABLE
Comedy Gold!
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/pro-union-campaign-in-crisis-after-minister-admits-currency-union-ban-was-a-bluff.23823233
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/mod-apologises-after-terrorising-nuclear-base-village-with-series-of-bomb-blasts.23825159
The receding effect was visible even before with Yougov as it is daily. The monthly one's obviously would not show that as this it their first post budget poll.
I think the true lead is about 3-4% more than enough for Dr Fisher and Rod C to get excited.