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  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,086
    edited April 17
    The great egg excuse !

    We’ve been hearing since last November that it was all about eggs and inflation. This is being peddled as an excuse as to why so many decided to vote for Trump again even after everything that’s happened .

    Suddenly the egg brigade don’t care about inflation as they believe in Trumps tariff master plan . They’ll always find another excuse as to why they voted for the stain on humanity .
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,120
    carnforth said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    Cookie said:

    Nigelb said:

    Economists are going to be fascinated with the results of this real world experiment.

    Overall U.S. imports at -64% has got to be one of the most insane numbers in economic history.

    I don't think people quite comprehend how disruptive that's going to be.

    https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1912693260256170349

    On the face of it, that looks astonishing. It wasn't like that even in covid was it? It is reasonable to assume from that that American imports from China have suddenly dropped by 64% - i.e. they're now only 36% of what they were in March? Is this just China, or is this everywhere? I don't really know how this normally varies from week to week, or how recoverable this is, or what the impacts will be. If anyone would care to advance some views or put this into context I'm all ears.
    I think it's pretty well unprecedented.
    How long it carries on, I don't know, but a load of US businesses basically cancelled shipments completely.

    China has said it's not going to respond to any further US tariff increases, as it regards those in place as sufficient to halt most trade anyway.

    Apart from anything else, that's a huge number of container vessels dedicated to the US/China trade suddenly out of work.

    I think the US disruption will be further increased by the Trump policy of imposing a huge fixed fee on each foreign owned vessel that docks in the US. That's going to mean the smaller ports that handle smaller vessels will lose a lot of trade, and the two big ones will tend to clog up.

    Even if both sides agreed a deal now, it would be a really big mess. And an agreement doesn't look likely without a Trump climbdown.

    OTOH, there's the current 90 day pause, so, who knows ?
    I have been taking advantage of the bounce back after last weeks crash to ditch more of my equities exposed to the USA/China tariff war.

    It's only a matter of time before the bear market kicks off again. We are at the Wylie E Coyote running in the air stage of the markets.
    E.g Meta (not directly exposed to tariffs, but exposed to general economic conditions as an advertising business) has lost all its gains since the recent crash.
    Meta has antitrust (aka monopoly) issues:-

    Landmark antitrust trial could force Zuckerberg to sell Instagram
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cedy2ygy50do
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,791

    Security news – anything the yanks can do, Jenrick can do better:-

    Jenrick adds hundreds to WhatsApp group in mix-up
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cewgnee12n0o

    Bob will be Bob.

    It's a minor indiscretion compared to including the editor of the National in a Defence Department WhatsApp (OK Signal) group.
    The same technique could be used strategically. Add every member of the enemy to a WhatsApp group announcing detailed bombing plans and watch them panic.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,431

    X Is Ditching DMs Hours After as News of Musk Messaging Women About Impregnating Them Breaks

    https://www.latintimes.com/x-ditching-dms-hours-after-news-musk-messaging-women-about-impregnating-them-breaks-580936

    Musk is just a pathetic little creep, isn't he? As in, urgh.

    He's also an absent dad. Another reason to despise him.
    Doesn't he take his troupe of robot children with him to work at the White House?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,228

    Security news – anything the yanks can do, Jenrick can do better:-

    Jenrick adds hundreds to WhatsApp group in mix-up
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cewgnee12n0o

    Bob will be Bob.

    It's a minor indiscretion compared to including the editor of the National in a Defence Department WhatsApp (OK Signal) group.
    The same technique could be used strategically. Add every member of the enemy to a WhatsApp group announcing detailed bombing plans and watch them panic.
    He really is a strategic genius.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,228

    Leon said:

    Single, healthy male asylum seekers who have travelled to Germany via Greece can be deported back to the Mediterranean state, a top German court has ruled.

    In a boost for Friedrich Merz, the incoming German chancellor who wants to reduce migration levels, the Federal Administrative Court in Leipzig ruled that asylum seekers who meet the criteria can cope with a lack of state support in Greece, because they will not face inhumane treatment in the country.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/04/17/germany-to-deport-single-and-healthy-asylum-seekers-greece/

    As others have noted, what’s the point if it’s still Schengen. They can get a bus back to Germany the next day

    Also, where are they going to drop them off? Mykonos? Central Athens?

    I don’t think the Greeks will be grateful

    The spineless European governments (uk very much included) have to bite the bullet. Only something like Rwanda will work - within humane boundaries
    Rwanda looks like Butlins compared to the El Salvador hell-hole.
    Butlins? I am not sure that is a recommendation for Rwanda.

    Send me to El Salvador!
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,586
    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    Cookie said:

    Nigelb said:

    Economists are going to be fascinated with the results of this real world experiment.

    Overall U.S. imports at -64% has got to be one of the most insane numbers in economic history.

    I don't think people quite comprehend how disruptive that's going to be.

    https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1912693260256170349

    On the face of it, that looks astonishing. It wasn't like that even in covid was it? It is reasonable to assume from that that American imports from China have suddenly dropped by 64% - i.e. they're now only 36% of what they were in March? Is this just China, or is this everywhere? I don't really know how this normally varies from week to week, or how recoverable this is, or what the impacts will be. If anyone would care to advance some views or put this into context I'm all ears.
    I think it's pretty well unprecedented.
    How long it carries on, I don't know, but a load of US businesses basically cancelled shipments completely.

    China has said it's not going to respond to any further US tariff increases, as it regards those in place as sufficient to halt most trade anyway.

    Apart from anything else, that's a huge number of container vessels dedicated to the US/China trade suddenly out of work.

    I think the US disruption will be further increased by the Trump policy of imposing a huge fixed fee on each foreign owned vessel that docks in the US. That's going to mean the smaller ports that handle smaller vessels will lose a lot of trade, and the two big ones will tend to clog up.

    Even if both sides agreed a deal now, it would be a really big mess. And an agreement doesn't look likely without a Trump climbdown.

    OTOH, there's the current 90 day pause, so, who knows ?
    The "current 90 days pause" hasn't stopped the Chinese from turning their vessels around. My man in Hong Kong confirmed this to me. I guess the challenge is to find a non-sanctions country that will take the loaded vessels at a reasonable price discount?

    Could be some cheaper toys around this Christmas. Well, not in the US, natch. But elsewhere.

    Imagine Boxing Day, as groups of Canadian children gather to wave their new festive presents across the border at the impoverished kids of America...
    American kids will be enjoying good all American produced Christmas presents I presume
    Cowboy outfits instead of the latest iPhone. I hope they’re not disappointed.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,431

    boulay said:

    algarkirk said:

    Taz said:

    Nick Robinson blames listeners for Radio 4’s Today program losing over a million listeners in the last 12 months.

    Blame the audience. A sure fire way of winning them back.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/09/26/nick-robinson-bbc-radio-4-today-programme-ratings-slump/

    I am a lifelong listener to R4 Today. I remember Jack de Manio well, he finished in about 1971.

    I sometimes turn it off. Too matey, too dull, too magazine programme like, too much trivia, too many boring single issue people, too bland. In the current USA crisis - in some ways the biggest story since WWII - its coverage is too timid, too little, insufficently analytical and compares spectacularly badly with USA internal coverage and to some extent Times Radio and LBC.

    It has this massive 3 hour space, and the entire resource of BBC contacts worldwide to be both deep and properly global.

    I still listen to it, but it needs to rethink, deepen, sharpen, avoid all luvviedom and use the BBC resource properly.
    It’s the “Radio 5isation” of Today that’s really pissing me off. Hearing the presenters say “we want to hear from you, our WhatsApp number is xxxxxxx” really depresses me. And Emma Barnett really would be better off having a show where she just interviews herself so it’s either an hour of insane constant interruption or she actually stops to listen to the one person she wants to hear.

    They’ve also managed to cock up the 5am to 5.45 slot by stopping the news from Workd service etc and replacing it with Today in parliament which is super tedious at theat time of day especially.
    Indeed. Emma Barnett is quite simply dreadful. Why have guests if Emma Barnett is going to answer her questions on their behalf anyway?
    The worst. A deal breaker for almost every listener I know
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,680

    carnforth said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    Cookie said:

    Nigelb said:

    Economists are going to be fascinated with the results of this real world experiment.

    Overall U.S. imports at -64% has got to be one of the most insane numbers in economic history.

    I don't think people quite comprehend how disruptive that's going to be.

    https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1912693260256170349

    On the face of it, that looks astonishing. It wasn't like that even in covid was it? It is reasonable to assume from that that American imports from China have suddenly dropped by 64% - i.e. they're now only 36% of what they were in March? Is this just China, or is this everywhere? I don't really know how this normally varies from week to week, or how recoverable this is, or what the impacts will be. If anyone would care to advance some views or put this into context I'm all ears.
    I think it's pretty well unprecedented.
    How long it carries on, I don't know, but a load of US businesses basically cancelled shipments completely.

    China has said it's not going to respond to any further US tariff increases, as it regards those in place as sufficient to halt most trade anyway.

    Apart from anything else, that's a huge number of container vessels dedicated to the US/China trade suddenly out of work.

    I think the US disruption will be further increased by the Trump policy of imposing a huge fixed fee on each foreign owned vessel that docks in the US. That's going to mean the smaller ports that handle smaller vessels will lose a lot of trade, and the two big ones will tend to clog up.

    Even if both sides agreed a deal now, it would be a really big mess. And an agreement doesn't look likely without a Trump climbdown.

    OTOH, there's the current 90 day pause, so, who knows ?
    I have been taking advantage of the bounce back after last weeks crash to ditch more of my equities exposed to the USA/China tariff war.

    It's only a matter of time before the bear market kicks off again. We are at the Wylie E Coyote running in the air stage of the markets.
    E.g Meta (not directly exposed to tariffs, but exposed to general economic conditions as an advertising business) has lost all its gains since the recent crash.
    Meta has antitrust (aka monopoly) issues:-

    Landmark antitrust trial could force Zuckerberg to sell Instagram
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cedy2ygy50do
    Sure, but that's been known about for months.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,477

    Give him a polish is that? Seems inappropriate.
    Are you suggesting he will come turd?
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,586
    Roger said:

    boulay said:

    algarkirk said:

    Taz said:

    Nick Robinson blames listeners for Radio 4’s Today program losing over a million listeners in the last 12 months.

    Blame the audience. A sure fire way of winning them back.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/09/26/nick-robinson-bbc-radio-4-today-programme-ratings-slump/

    I am a lifelong listener to R4 Today. I remember Jack de Manio well, he finished in about 1971.

    I sometimes turn it off. Too matey, too dull, too magazine programme like, too much trivia, too many boring single issue people, too bland. In the current USA crisis - in some ways the biggest story since WWII - its coverage is too timid, too little, insufficently analytical and compares spectacularly badly with USA internal coverage and to some extent Times Radio and LBC.

    It has this massive 3 hour space, and the entire resource of BBC contacts worldwide to be both deep and properly global.

    I still listen to it, but it needs to rethink, deepen, sharpen, avoid all luvviedom and use the BBC resource properly.
    It’s the “Radio 5isation” of Today that’s really pissing me off. Hearing the presenters say “we want to hear from you, our WhatsApp number is xxxxxxx” really depresses me. And Emma Barnett really would be better off having a show where she just interviews herself so it’s either an hour of insane constant interruption or she actually stops to listen to the one person she wants to hear.

    They’ve also managed to cock up the 5am to 5.45 slot by stopping the news from Workd service etc and replacing it with Today in parliament which is super tedious at theat time of day especially.
    Indeed. Emma Barnett is quite simply dreadful. Why have guests if Emma Barnett is going to answer her questions on their behalf anyway?
    The worst. A deal breaker for almost every listener I know
    She sounds like an ideal Question Time presenter, as long as she allows Farage full flow every week.
  • CollegeCollege Posts: 82
    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Single, healthy male asylum seekers who have travelled to Germany via Greece can be deported back to the Mediterranean state, a top German court has ruled.

    In a boost for Friedrich Merz, the incoming German chancellor who wants to reduce migration levels, the Federal Administrative Court in Leipzig ruled that asylum seekers who meet the criteria can cope with a lack of state support in Greece, because they will not face inhumane treatment in the country.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/04/17/germany-to-deport-single-and-healthy-asylum-seekers-greece/

    As others have noted, what’s the point if it’s still Schengen. They can get a bus back to Germany the next day

    Also, where are they going to drop them off? Mykonos? Central Athens?

    I don’t think the Greeks will be grateful

    The spineless European governments (uk very much included) have to bite the bullet. Only something like Rwanda will work - within humane boundaries
    Our man on the spot completely missed this story.

    Seems the rumors are true - Russia is borrowing military hardware from Kazakhstan for Moscow's May 9th parade.

    Did something happen?

    Astana, Kazakhstan

    https://x.com/JayinKyiv/status/1912817013044523503
    Friend of all except Uzbekistan.
    A country run by little girls and whose potassium is inferior.
    Racist humour in Britain in the 21st century hasn't moved on much from this:

    https://www.tiktok.com/@scottt2918/video/7380714019864300833?lang=en
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,228

    Roger said:

    boulay said:

    algarkirk said:

    Taz said:

    Nick Robinson blames listeners for Radio 4’s Today program losing over a million listeners in the last 12 months.

    Blame the audience. A sure fire way of winning them back.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/09/26/nick-robinson-bbc-radio-4-today-programme-ratings-slump/

    I am a lifelong listener to R4 Today. I remember Jack de Manio well, he finished in about 1971.

    I sometimes turn it off. Too matey, too dull, too magazine programme like, too much trivia, too many boring single issue people, too bland. In the current USA crisis - in some ways the biggest story since WWII - its coverage is too timid, too little, insufficently analytical and compares spectacularly badly with USA internal coverage and to some extent Times Radio and LBC.

    It has this massive 3 hour space, and the entire resource of BBC contacts worldwide to be both deep and properly global.

    I still listen to it, but it needs to rethink, deepen, sharpen, avoid all luvviedom and use the BBC resource properly.
    It’s the “Radio 5isation” of Today that’s really pissing me off. Hearing the presenters say “we want to hear from you, our WhatsApp number is xxxxxxx” really depresses me. And Emma Barnett really would be better off having a show where she just interviews herself so it’s either an hour of insane constant interruption or she actually stops to listen to the one person she wants to hear.

    They’ve also managed to cock up the 5am to 5.45 slot by stopping the news from Workd service etc and replacing it with Today in parliament which is super tedious at theat time of day especially.
    Indeed. Emma Barnett is quite simply dreadful. Why have guests if Emma Barnett is going to answer her questions on their behalf anyway?
    The worst. A deal breaker for almost every listener I know
    She sounds like an ideal Question Time presenter, as long as she allows Farage full flow every week.
    You wouldn't need Farage. There would be one hell of a saving on guest fees as she could answer all the questions.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,120
    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    Cookie said:

    Nigelb said:

    Economists are going to be fascinated with the results of this real world experiment.

    Overall U.S. imports at -64% has got to be one of the most insane numbers in economic history.

    I don't think people quite comprehend how disruptive that's going to be.

    https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1912693260256170349

    On the face of it, that looks astonishing. It wasn't like that even in covid was it? It is reasonable to assume from that that American imports from China have suddenly dropped by 64% - i.e. they're now only 36% of what they were in March? Is this just China, or is this everywhere? I don't really know how this normally varies from week to week, or how recoverable this is, or what the impacts will be. If anyone would care to advance some views or put this into context I'm all ears.
    I think it's pretty well unprecedented.
    How long it carries on, I don't know, but a load of US businesses basically cancelled shipments completely.

    China has said it's not going to respond to any further US tariff increases, as it regards those in place as sufficient to halt most trade anyway.

    Apart from anything else, that's a huge number of container vessels dedicated to the US/China trade suddenly out of work.

    I think the US disruption will be further increased by the Trump policy of imposing a huge fixed fee on each foreign owned vessel that docks in the US. That's going to mean the smaller ports that handle smaller vessels will lose a lot of trade, and the two big ones will tend to clog up.

    Even if both sides agreed a deal now, it would be a really big mess. And an agreement doesn't look likely without a Trump climbdown.

    OTOH, there's the current 90 day pause, so, who knows ?
    I have been taking advantage of the bounce back after last weeks crash to ditch more of my equities exposed to the USA/China tariff war.

    It's only a matter of time before the bear market kicks off again. We are at the Wylie E Coyote running in the air stage of the markets.
    E.g Meta (not directly exposed to tariffs, but exposed to general economic conditions as an advertising business) has lost all its gains since the recent crash.
    Meta has antitrust (aka monopoly) issues:-

    Landmark antitrust trial could force Zuckerberg to sell Instagram
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cedy2ygy50do
    Sure, but that's been known about for months.
    Yes but it is actually in court this week.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,628

    NEW THREAD

  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,302

    Give him a polish is that? Seems inappropriate.
    If ever a turd needed polishing..
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,227
    edited April 17
    Roger said:

    X Is Ditching DMs Hours After as News of Musk Messaging Women About Impregnating Them Breaks

    https://www.latintimes.com/x-ditching-dms-hours-after-news-musk-messaging-women-about-impregnating-them-breaks-580936

    Musk is just a pathetic little creep, isn't he? As in, urgh.

    He's also an absent dad. Another reason to despise him.
    Doesn't he take his troupe of robot children with him to work at the White House?
    They are not robots. They are the best artificial-insemination offspring money can buy.
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