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Reeves, nearly as bad as Covid and Truss & Kwarteng but Lab still continue to lead on the economy

SystemSystem Posts: 12,377
edited March 22 in General
Reeves, nearly as bad as Covid and Truss & Kwarteng but Lab still continue to lead on the economy – politicalbetting.com

The précis of the findings is the pubic think Starmer & Reeves are, economically, nearly as bad the pandemic and the Truss/Kwarteng experience yet Labour are still the most trusted to manage the economy but that score is 23% which is like being the most beautiful turkey at the farm in the run up to Christmas.

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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,312
    edited March 22
    First like Sir Lewis Hamilton.

    🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 603
    Second. Like Reform in 2027.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,145
    Turd. Like...
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,428
    As ever these days, it's not that Labour are doing well, it's that the Right are disastrously split and aren't offering a convincing alternative anyway.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,347
    Good morning, everyone.

    F1: I'll listen to a VOD of a live commentary later, but just glancing at the report seems like an error from Norris, good late move by Piastri, and composure by Hamilton (plus sufficient pace) are the main aspects of the sprint.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,904
    This confirms, at least, that people haven’t forgotten how bad the Tories were.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,145
    Fishing said:

    As ever these days, it's not that Labour are doing well, it's that the Right are disastrously split and aren't offering a convincing alternative anyway.

    The Right has disappointed.

    The Left is currently disappointing.

    Time for a benevolent dictator who actually knows how to deliver.

    TSE, your time is now...
  • scampi25scampi25 Posts: 54
    I see the government is talking about sending some migrants to the Balkans 🤣. #AnimalFarm!
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,015

    First like Sir Lewis Hamilton.

    🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐

    I know sprint races don't really count as 'races'; but is Hamilton now one of only two drivers to win races for three different F1 teams? Alonso being the other (Renault, Ferrari, McLaren)?

    I can't think of any other driver who has won for three teams - though it is easier now, with more races per season, hence more opportunities to win.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,975
    edited March 22

    First like Sir Lewis Hamilton.

    🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐

    I know sprint races don't really count as 'races'; but is Hamilton now one of only two drivers to win races for three different F1 teams? Alonso being the other (Renault, Ferrari, McLaren)?

    I can't think of any other driver who has won for three teams - though it is easier now, with more races per season, hence more opportunities to win.
    Gerhard Berger - Ferrari, McLaren and Benneton.

    Edit - also Alain Prost, Renault, Ferrari and McLaren.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,180
    This is why Starmer shouldn't be leader today or ever.....David Hearst The Ramadan Massacre

    https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/ramadan-massacre-obliterates-wests-claim-moral-leadership
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,975
    edited March 22
    ydoethur said:

    First like Sir Lewis Hamilton.

    🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐

    I know sprint races don't really count as 'races'; but is Hamilton now one of only two drivers to win races for three different F1 teams? Alonso being the other (Renault, Ferrari, McLaren)?

    I can't think of any other driver who has won for three teams - though it is easier now, with more races per season, hence more opportunities to win.
    Gerhard Berger - Ferrari, McLaren and Benneton.

    Edit - also Alain Prost, Renault, Ferrari and McLaren.
    Also Raikkonen - McLaren, Ferrari and Lotus.

    So it's not *usual* but it's not that rare.

    In fact I think Prost holds the modern era record with four teams, as he won with Williams as well.

    Moss must surely hold the overall record with wins for five teams in sixteen victories.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,312
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    First like Sir Lewis Hamilton.

    🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐

    I know sprint races don't really count as 'races'; but is Hamilton now one of only two drivers to win races for three different F1 teams? Alonso being the other (Renault, Ferrari, McLaren)?

    I can't think of any other driver who has won for three teams - though it is easier now, with more races per season, hence more opportunities to win.
    Gerhard Berger - Ferrari, McLaren and Benneton.

    Edit - also Alain Prost, Renault, Ferrari and McLaren.
    Also Raikkonen - McLaren, Ferrari and Lotus.

    So it's not *usual* but it's not that rare.

    In fact I think Prost holds the record with four teams, as he won with Williams as well.
    Vettel too, with Ferrari. Red Bull, and Torro Rosso.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,030
    What the reality of the so-called cuts to PIP really means. An increase of 26.67% over the life of this Parliament not an increase of a third.

    The govt have done the right thing trying to put a brake on this. They need to go further. Scrap the triple lock and radically scale back motability.

    https://x.com/johnrentoul/status/1903144427855487066?s=61
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,231
    UK should ‘ideally’ not have ‘any’ troops in Ukraine, says Kemi Badenoch

    https://www.ft.com/content/fac609fc-f1fc-4e26-ad92-84cf23a234f4
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,994
    "The pubic think".

    Fascinating, Dr Moriarty.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,734
    Taz said:

    What the reality of the so-called cuts to PIP really means. An increase of 26.67% over the life of this Parliament not an increase of a third.

    The govt have done the right thing trying to put a brake on this. They need to go further. Scrap the triple lock and radically scale back motability.

    https://x.com/johnrentoul/status/1903144427855487066?s=61

    Keep the triple lock but abolish higher rate tax relief on private pension contributions.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,312
    edited March 22
    I know it is only two races in but Liam Lawson is worse than Luca Badoer.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,015

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    First like Sir Lewis Hamilton.

    🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐

    I know sprint races don't really count as 'races'; but is Hamilton now one of only two drivers to win races for three different F1 teams? Alonso being the other (Renault, Ferrari, McLaren)?

    I can't think of any other driver who has won for three teams - though it is easier now, with more races per season, hence more opportunities to win.
    Gerhard Berger - Ferrari, McLaren and Benneton.

    Edit - also Alain Prost, Renault, Ferrari and McLaren.
    Also Raikkonen - McLaren, Ferrari and Lotus.

    So it's not *usual* but it's not that rare.

    In fact I think Prost holds the record with four teams, as he won with Williams as well.
    Vettel too, with Ferrari. Red Bull, and Torro Rosso.
    Thanks to everyone who replied! I was rather wrong. ;)
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,030

    I’ve not seen it, unlikely to as I’m not really the target audience, but even The Guardian really doesn’t like the Disney Snow White.

    A controversial movie which launched to little fanfare.

    I did notice in sainsburys yesterday there was a Snow White tie in with some cleaning products. Not well promoted though.

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2025/mar/19/snow-white-review-live-action-musical-rachel-zegler-gal-gadot
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,030
    edited March 22

    Taz said:

    What the reality of the so-called cuts to PIP really means. An increase of 26.67% over the life of this Parliament not an increase of a third.

    The govt have done the right thing trying to put a brake on this. They need to go further. Scrap the triple lock and radically scale back motability.

    https://x.com/johnrentoul/status/1903144427855487066?s=61

    Keep the triple lock but abolish higher rate tax relief on private pension contributions.
    In principle I agree, maybe both, but others here have raised objections to the practicalities of it in terms of how it would operate.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,994
    Taz said:

    What the reality of the so-called cuts to PIP really means. An increase of 26.67% over the life of this Parliament not an increase of a third.

    The govt have done the right thing trying to put a brake on this. They need to go further. Scrap the triple lock and radically scale back motability.

    https://x.com/johnrentoul/status/1903144427855487066?s=61

    How does a private motor finance company impact the public finances?

    Serious question. That has the feel of some vindictive people objecting to disabled people being able to use their Personal Independence Payment to make their lives easier.

    Is there a case to support such a move?

    Perhaps we need to start with not locking disabled people out of the best local parks.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,030
    Roger said:

    This is why Starmer shouldn't be leader today or ever.....David Hearst The Ramadan Massacre

    https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/ramadan-massacre-obliterates-wests-claim-moral-leadership

    Israel is proceeding with the Trump plan for Gaza according to some informed commentators
    on social media (as opposed to the Gaza conspIracists) The IDF are drawing up plans to evacuate Gaza.

    I expect in a couple of years Gaza will become a part of Israel with the connivance of the west and tacit agreement of other Arab nations in the region.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,975
    edited March 22

    I know it is only two race in but Liam Lawson is worse than Luca Badoer.

    About Perez being fired for underperforming...

    Many years ago at the height of the Schumacher/Häkkinen rivalry, there was a theory that actually Irvine was driving at about the level of a typical F1 driver - it's just the Ferrari wasn't very quick. What was keeping it competitive was Schumacher's extraordinary ability to extract the maximum from it.

    You will hate me forever for this but...I wonder if something similar could be said about the disparity of results at Red Bull last year.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,134

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    First like Sir Lewis Hamilton.

    🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐

    I know sprint races don't really count as 'races'; but is Hamilton now one of only two drivers to win races for three different F1 teams? Alonso being the other (Renault, Ferrari, McLaren)?

    I can't think of any other driver who has won for three teams - though it is easier now, with more races per season, hence more opportunities to win.
    Gerhard Berger - Ferrari, McLaren and Benneton.

    Edit - also Alain Prost, Renault, Ferrari and McLaren.
    Also Raikkonen - McLaren, Ferrari and Lotus.

    So it's not *usual* but it's not that rare.

    In fact I think Prost holds the record with four teams, as he won with Williams as well.
    Vettel too, with Ferrari. Red Bull, and Torro Rosso.
    Thanks to everyone who replied! I was rather wrong. ;)
    I can definitely confirm that Ben Pointer has not won races for three different F1 teams so it's not that easy.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,030
    edited March 22
    MattW said:

    Taz said:

    What the reality of the so-called cuts to PIP really means. An increase of 26.67% over the life of this Parliament not an increase of a third.

    The govt have done the right thing trying to put a brake on this. They need to go further. Scrap the triple lock and radically scale back motability.

    https://x.com/johnrentoul/status/1903144427855487066?s=61

    How does a private motor finance company impact the public finances?

    Serious question. That has the feel of some vindictive people objecting to disabled people being able to use their Personal Independence Payment to make their lives easier.

    Is there a case to support such a move?

    Perhaps we need to start with not locking disabled people out of the best local parks.
    It’s not really a serious question given the framing.

    One in five new cars are motability and they go to people for all sorts of reasons. The scheme is expanding rapidly and needs to be looked at. For example the cars available on it and the reasons people can claim for one.

    This is, ultimately, taxpayers money going to fund these cars. There should be some accountability.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 23,984
    ydoethur said:

    I know it is only two race in but Liam Lawson is worse than Luca Badoer.

    About Perez being fired for underperforming...

    Many years ago at the height of the Schumacher/Häkkinen rivalry, there was a theory that actually Irvine was driving at about the level of a typical F1 driver - it's just the Ferrari wasn't very quick. What was keeping it competitive was Schumacher's extraordinary ability to extract the maximum from it.

    You will hate me forever for this but...I wonder if something similar could be said about the disparity of results at Red Bull last year.
    The whole structure of F1 is wrong.

    If you have 10 teams and 20 drivers then each driver should race 2 times with each team.

    We then would know the best driver and best car rather than the best combination. And it is less likely to be obvious who will win early in the season.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,975
    edited March 22
    Taz said:

    Roger said:

    This is why Starmer shouldn't be leader today or ever.....David Hearst The Ramadan Massacre

    https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/ramadan-massacre-obliterates-wests-claim-moral-leadership

    Israel is proceeding with the Trump plan for Gaza according to some informed commentators
    on social media (as opposed to the Gaza conspIracists) The IDF are drawing up plans to evacuate Gaza.

    I expect in a couple of years Gaza will become a part of Israel with the connivance of the west and tacit agreement of other Arab nations in the region.
    That has serious knock-on implications for the West Bank and any idea of Palestinian statehood.

    Gaza is a deepwater port and major economic centre (or would be, in a normal world). It has a major international airport (albeit shut). It is home to around 40% of the population of the Palestinian Territories.

    Deprived of that, any Palestinian state would be a small, landlocked entity with all its entrance and exit points except one controlled by Israel. Its largest economic centre would be Jericho, which is to Gaza City roughly the equivalent of Carlisle to Liverpool in economic terms.

    It would therefore be an Israeli protectorate - at the very least - whether the UN liked it or not. In fact, in all likelihood it would be very difficult for it to resist formal annexation (again, a stated goal of Netanyahu) and when it does the Mandatory area would have a Jewish majority (again, not possible if the population of Gaza is included).

    This has obviously been the plan by Netanyahu for several years, progressively making conditions worse in Gaza to encourage emigration, which has rather stalled on the fact the population have nowhere to go. I will admit I am surprised he has moved to be so blatant about it, but maybe he feels that with a total loon who couldn't find Gaza on a map in the White House and Iran in such a weak state due to Syria and Lebanon's crises, the age and confusion of the leadership and their backers seriously distracted by Ukraine he will never have a better chance to impose his will.

    And, of course, it's the people of Gaza that suffer for it.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 23,984

    UK should ‘ideally’ not have ‘any’ troops in Ukraine, says Kemi Badenoch

    https://www.ft.com/content/fac609fc-f1fc-4e26-ad92-84cf23a234f4

    Ideally we shouldn't need soldiers. Humans and nations are not ideal. Next.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,134

    I know it is only two races in but Liam Lawson is worse than Luca Badoer.

    At some point failure becomes self-fulfilling.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,975

    ydoethur said:

    I know it is only two race in but Liam Lawson is worse than Luca Badoer.

    About Perez being fired for underperforming...

    Many years ago at the height of the Schumacher/Häkkinen rivalry, there was a theory that actually Irvine was driving at about the level of a typical F1 driver - it's just the Ferrari wasn't very quick. What was keeping it competitive was Schumacher's extraordinary ability to extract the maximum from it.

    You will hate me forever for this but...I wonder if something similar could be said about the disparity of results at Red Bull last year.
    The whole structure of F1 is wrong.

    If you have 10 teams and 20 drivers then each driver should race 2 times with each team.

    We then would know the best driver and best car rather than the best combination. And it is less likely to be obvious who will win early in the season.
    Easier answer - each team buys 3 standard cars and can only make modest modifications (e.g. to the cockpit).

    Won't happen as the engine suppliers would raise hell. But it would lead to much more exciting races.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,312
    edited March 22
    ydoethur said:

    I know it is only two race in but Liam Lawson is worse than Luca Badoer.

    About Perez being fired for underperforming...

    Many years ago at the height of the Schumacher/Häkkinen rivalry, there was a theory that actually Irvine was driving at about the level of a typical F1 driver - it's just the Ferrari wasn't very quick. What was keeping it competitive was Schumacher's extraordinary ability to extract the maximum from it.

    You will hate me forever for this but...I wonder if something similar could be said about the disparity of results at Red Bull last year.
    The more plausible answer is that Verstappen/Red Bull are sabotaging the number 2 driver to make Verstappen look good.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 23,984
    edited March 22
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    I know it is only two race in but Liam Lawson is worse than Luca Badoer.

    About Perez being fired for underperforming...

    Many years ago at the height of the Schumacher/Häkkinen rivalry, there was a theory that actually Irvine was driving at about the level of a typical F1 driver - it's just the Ferrari wasn't very quick. What was keeping it competitive was Schumacher's extraordinary ability to extract the maximum from it.

    You will hate me forever for this but...I wonder if something similar could be said about the disparity of results at Red Bull last year.
    The whole structure of F1 is wrong.

    If you have 10 teams and 20 drivers then each driver should race 2 times with each team.

    We then would know the best driver and best car rather than the best combination. And it is less likely to be obvious who will win early in the season.
    Easier answer - each team buys 3 standard cars and can only make modest modifications (e.g. to the cockpit).

    Won't happen as the engine suppliers would raise hell. But it would lead to much more exciting races.
    Why is that easier? My suggestion seems pretty straightforward. Incentives and objectives clear for both teams and drivers. More sustained spectator and media interest. Gets to the bottom of the best car and best driver debates rather than just knowing the best combo and avoids the boring championship years where a strong driver just has to beat one teammate.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,975
    edited March 22

    ydoethur said:

    I know it is only two race in but Liam Lawson is worse than Luca Badoer.

    About Perez being fired for underperforming...

    Many years ago at the height of the Schumacher/Häkkinen rivalry, there was a theory that actually Irvine was driving at about the level of a typical F1 driver - it's just the Ferrari wasn't very quick. What was keeping it competitive was Schumacher's extraordinary ability to extract the maximum from it.

    You will hate me forever for this but...I wonder if something similar could be said about the disparity of results at Red Bull last year.
    The more plausible answer is that Verstappen/Red Bull are sabotaging the number 2 driver to make Verstappen look good.
    Well, they certainly didn't do Perez any favours ('guys, happy for the team but we need to talk') but that would hardly explain why Verstappen was still winning races while Perez was midfield at best.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,030
    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    Roger said:

    This is why Starmer shouldn't be leader today or ever.....David Hearst The Ramadan Massacre

    https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/ramadan-massacre-obliterates-wests-claim-moral-leadership

    Israel is proceeding with the Trump plan for Gaza according to some informed commentators
    on social media (as opposed to the Gaza conspIracists) The IDF are drawing up plans to evacuate Gaza.

    I expect in a couple of years Gaza will become a part of Israel with the connivance of the west and tacit agreement of other Arab nations in the region.
    That has serious knock-on implications for the West Bank and any idea of Palestinian statehood.

    Gaza is a deepwater port and major economic centre (or would be, in a normal world). It has a major international airport (albeit shut). It is home to around 40% of the population of the Palestinian Territories.

    Deprived of that, any Palestinian state would be a small, landlocked entity with all its entrance and exit points except one controlled by Israel. Its largest economic centre would be Jericho, which is to Gaza City roughly the equivalent of Carlisle to Liverpool in economic terms.

    It would therefore be an Israeli protectorate - at the very least - whether the UN liked it or not. In fact, in all likelihood it would be very difficult for it to resist formal annexation (again, a stated goal of Netanyahu) and when it does the Mandatory area would have a Jewish majority (again, not possible if the population of Gaza is included).

    This has obviously been the plan by Netanyahu for several years, progressively making conditions worse in Gaza to encourage emigration, which has rather stalled on the fact the population have nowhere to go. I will admit I am surprised he has moved to be so blatant about it, but maybe he feels that with a total loon who couldn't find Gaza on a map in the White House and Iran in such a weak state due to Syria and Lebanon's crises, the age and confusion of the leadership and their backers seriously distracted by Ukraine he will never have a better chance to impose his will.

    And, of course, it's the people of Gaza that suffer for it.
    He’s been emboldened by Trump. Hence no need for subtlety

    There are already demands for Egypt and Jordan to open their borders. Once the Gazans are expunged they will never go back.

    The West Bank, as well as parts of Syria will eventually fall too. There are too many settlements in the West Bank now for,it to ever be a viable Palestinian state.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,975
    Taz said:

    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    Roger said:

    This is why Starmer shouldn't be leader today or ever.....David Hearst The Ramadan Massacre

    https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/ramadan-massacre-obliterates-wests-claim-moral-leadership

    Israel is proceeding with the Trump plan for Gaza according to some informed commentators
    on social media (as opposed to the Gaza conspIracists) The IDF are drawing up plans to evacuate Gaza.

    I expect in a couple of years Gaza will become a part of Israel with the connivance of the west and tacit agreement of other Arab nations in the region.
    That has serious knock-on implications for the West Bank and any idea of Palestinian statehood.

    Gaza is a deepwater port and major economic centre (or would be, in a normal world). It has a major international airport (albeit shut). It is home to around 40% of the population of the Palestinian Territories.

    Deprived of that, any Palestinian state would be a small, landlocked entity with all its entrance and exit points except one controlled by Israel. Its largest economic centre would be Jericho, which is to Gaza City roughly the equivalent of Carlisle to Liverpool in economic terms.

    It would therefore be an Israeli protectorate - at the very least - whether the UN liked it or not. In fact, in all likelihood it would be very difficult for it to resist formal annexation (again, a stated goal of Netanyahu) and when it does the Mandatory area would have a Jewish majority (again, not possible if the population of Gaza is included).

    This has obviously been the plan by Netanyahu for several years, progressively making conditions worse in Gaza to encourage emigration, which has rather stalled on the fact the population have nowhere to go. I will admit I am surprised he has moved to be so blatant about it, but maybe he feels that with a total loon who couldn't find Gaza on a map in the White House and Iran in such a weak state due to Syria and Lebanon's crises, the age and confusion of the leadership and their backers seriously distracted by Ukraine he will never have a better chance to impose his will.

    And, of course, it's the people of Gaza that suffer for it.
    He’s been emboldened by Trump. Hence no need for subtlety

    There are already demands for Egypt and Jordan to open their borders. Once the Gazans are expunged they will never go back.

    The West Bank, as well as parts of Syria will eventually fall too. There are too many settlements in the West Bank now for,it to ever be a viable Palestinian state.
    Also, of course, he needs to stave off his trials for corruption and malfeasance.

    That's obviously quite an important factor in his thinking. As with Trump, of course.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,874
    edited March 22
    Taz said:

    What the reality of the so-called cuts to PIP really means. An increase of 26.67% over the life of this Parliament not an increase of a third.

    The govt have done the right thing trying to put a brake on this. They need to go further. Scrap the triple lock and radically scale back motability.
    https://x.com/johnrentoul/status/1903144427855487066?s=61

    There's a distinction between an increase in spending and a cut in the value of the benefit to claimants. They are not exclusive when the caseload is increasing. Indeed, incapacity benefits as a proportion of GDP have been flat for decades, suggesting that there have already been significant real terms cuts to the value to claimants.

    It's going to make life difficult for people with things like cancer, MND, severe arthritis, PTSD and so on. Another example - if we reduced hospital spending to what it was in real terms in 2005, that would also represent a "cut" because the scope and prevalence of hospital care has massively increased since then.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,330

    UK should ‘ideally’ not have ‘any’ troops in Ukraine, says Kemi Badenoch

    https://www.ft.com/content/fac609fc-f1fc-4e26-ad92-84cf23a234f4

    This intervention fitted in well with Kemi's 'show your workings' theme. She has come out strongly against 'doing things with no plan' and that includes military commitments. The implication being that Iraq wouldn't have been supported by a Kemi-led opposition. She's had a good few days.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,994
    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    Taz said:

    What the reality of the so-called cuts to PIP really means. An increase of 26.67% over the life of this Parliament not an increase of a third.

    The govt have done the right thing trying to put a brake on this. They need to go further. Scrap the triple lock and radically scale back motability.

    https://x.com/johnrentoul/status/1903144427855487066?s=61

    How does a private motor finance company impact the public finances?

    Serious question. That has the feel of some vindictive people objecting to disabled people being able to use their Personal Independence Payment to make their lives easier.

    Is there a case to support such a move?

    Perhaps we need to start with not locking disabled people out of the best local parks.
    It’s not really a serious question given the framing.

    One in five new cars are motability and they go to people for all sorts of reasons. The scheme is expanding rapidly and needs to be looked at. For example the cars available on it. This is, ultimately, taxpayers money going to fund these cars.
    I don't see the point there. The rapid expansion is likely to be a one-off due to the market.

    What I am hearing there is inchoate outrage about disabled people spending a non-means-tested benefit on something that they find helps them most effectively.

    I see no rational basis for interference. Basically, it's nothing whatsoever to do with the likes of John Rentoul or any politicians - unless an abuse can be shown. BTW I can't find the tweet - is it genuine?

    If there are believed to be problems about who gets the benefit, then that's about who is eligible for the benefit, not about how it is spent. It is specifically intended as a modest contribution to helping disabled people adapt to their needs.

    I have my own issues with Motability, as you know, mainly around equivalent mobility aids being excluded from the scheme.

    But non-disabled commentators trying to control the lives of disabled people without a really strong case is as obscene as it sounds.

    I haven't seen any weigh in from stirrers or politicians, but to me it has the same whiff as for example the outrage Robert Jenrick was trying to generate when he claimed that disability being listed as a factor deserving a pre-sentencing report in a Court Case was an act of discrimination against white men. But Jenrick is a dog whistler, as we know.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,347
    F1: Fascinating shift in performance from the sprint to the proper qualifying. As usual with early times, the pre-race ramble will be up either late morning or early afternoon (small chance it might be later) so the markets can wake up.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 23,984
    Eabhal said:

    Taz said:

    What the reality of the so-called cuts to PIP really means. An increase of 26.67% over the life of this Parliament not an increase of a third.

    The govt have done the right thing trying to put a brake on this. They need to go further. Scrap the triple lock and radically scale back motability.
    https://x.com/johnrentoul/status/1903144427855487066?s=61

    There's a distinction between an increase in spending and a cut in the value of the benefit to claimants. They are not exclusive when the caseload is increasing. Indeed, incapacity benefits as a proportion of GDP have been flat for decades, suggesting that there have already been significant real terms cuts to the value to claimants.

    It's going to make life difficult for people with things like cancer, MND, severe arthritis, PTSD and so on. Another example - if we reduced hospital spending to what it was in real terms in 2005, that would also represent a "cut" because the scope and prevalence of hospital care has massively increased since then.
    It just depends where you are looking at it from, the taxpayer or individual recipients.

    What I can say with confidence is that if Joe Public believes they are cuts and sees taxes rise at the same time because costs are going up then Joe Public will lose faith in govt and be more open to voting for the loons.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,134

    UK should ‘ideally’ not have ‘any’ troops in Ukraine, says Kemi Badenoch

    https://www.ft.com/content/fac609fc-f1fc-4e26-ad92-84cf23a234f4

    This intervention fitted in well with Kemi's 'show your workings' theme. She has come out strongly against 'doing things with no plan' and that includes military commitments. The implication being that Iraq wouldn't have been supported by a Kemi-led opposition. She's had a good few days.
    She was happy to support Liz Truss's 'no plan' premiership.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,994
    edited March 22
    Taz said:

    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    Roger said:

    This is why Starmer shouldn't be leader today or ever.....David Hearst The Ramadan Massacre

    https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/ramadan-massacre-obliterates-wests-claim-moral-leadership

    Israel is proceeding with the Trump plan for Gaza according to some informed commentators
    on social media (as opposed to the Gaza conspIracists) The IDF are drawing up plans to evacuate Gaza.

    I expect in a couple of years Gaza will become a part of Israel with the connivance of the west and tacit agreement of other Arab nations in the region.
    That has serious knock-on implications for the West Bank and any idea of Palestinian statehood.

    Gaza is a deepwater port and major economic centre (or would be, in a normal world). It has a major international airport (albeit shut). It is home to around 40% of the population of the Palestinian Territories.

    Deprived of that, any Palestinian state would be a small, landlocked entity with all its entrance and exit points except one controlled by Israel. Its largest economic centre would be Jericho, which is to Gaza City roughly the equivalent of Carlisle to Liverpool in economic terms.

    It would therefore be an Israeli protectorate - at the very least - whether the UN liked it or not. In fact, in all likelihood it would be very difficult for it to resist formal annexation (again, a stated goal of Netanyahu) and when it does the Mandatory area would have a Jewish majority (again, not possible if the population of Gaza is included).

    This has obviously been the plan by Netanyahu for several years, progressively making conditions worse in Gaza to encourage emigration, which has rather stalled on the fact the population have nowhere to go. I will admit I am surprised he has moved to be so blatant about it, but maybe he feels that with a total loon who couldn't find Gaza on a map in the White House and Iran in such a weak state due to Syria and Lebanon's crises, the age and confusion of the leadership and their backers seriously distracted by Ukraine he will never have a better chance to impose his will.

    And, of course, it's the people of Gaza that suffer for it.
    He’s been emboldened by Trump. Hence no need for subtlety

    There are already demands for Egypt and Jordan to open their borders. Once the Gazans are expunged they will never go back.

    The West Bank, as well as parts of Syria will eventually fall too. There are too many settlements in the West Bank now for,it to ever be a viable Palestinian state.
    This is in effect, Eretz Israel, using the terms of the extreme ideological Zionists. Rubio may be in that lobby from the Christian ZIonist side - I have not read him enough to know for sure, but he puts out the vibes.

    We have been round the "send them to Jordan" track decades ago; last time that resulted in a civil war.

    it will be exactly like all of Mr Chump's other nostrums; his monument will be the deaths of tens or hundreds of thousands and chaos wherever he interferes.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,734

    UK should ‘ideally’ not have ‘any’ troops in Ukraine, says Kemi Badenoch

    https://www.ft.com/content/fac609fc-f1fc-4e26-ad92-84cf23a234f4

    This intervention fitted in well with Kemi's 'show your workings' theme. She has come out strongly against 'doing things with no plan' and that includes military commitments. The implication being that Iraq wouldn't have been supported by a Kemi-led opposition. She's had a good few days.
    Up to a point. Even the Telegraph has criticised Kemi's leap to climate change culture war rather than justified scepticism about Labour's Net Zero plans.

    Kemi Badenoch’s net zero rant comes close to political tragedy
    The Tory leader is pitting herself against science to embrace culture war ideology

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/03/20/kemi-badenochs-net-zero-rant-comes-close-political-tragedy/ (£££)
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,734
    £1m found inside Cadbury Heroes after man spotted with no seatbelt
    https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/1m-found-inside-cadbury-heroes-31254793

    The Liverpool Echo's entry to puzzling headlines of the week.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,330
    MattW said:

    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    Taz said:

    What the reality of the so-called cuts to PIP really means. An increase of 26.67% over the life of this Parliament not an increase of a third.

    The govt have done the right thing trying to put a brake on this. They need to go further. Scrap the triple lock and radically scale back motability.

    https://x.com/johnrentoul/status/1903144427855487066?s=61

    How does a private motor finance company impact the public finances?

    Serious question. That has the feel of some vindictive people objecting to disabled people being able to use their Personal Independence Payment to make their lives easier.

    Is there a case to support such a move?

    Perhaps we need to start with not locking disabled people out of the best local parks.
    It’s not really a serious question given the framing.

    One in five new cars are motability and they go to people for all sorts of reasons. The scheme is expanding rapidly and needs to be looked at. For example the cars available on it. This is, ultimately, taxpayers money going to fund these cars.
    I don't see the point there. The rapid expansion is likely to be a one-off due to the market.

    What I am hearing there is inchoate outrage about disabled people spending a non-means-tested benefit on something that they find helps them most effectively.

    I see no rational basis for interference. Basically, it's nothing whatsoever to do with the likes of John Rentoul or any politicians - unless an abuse can be shown. BTW I can't find the tweet - is it genuine?

    If there are believed to be problems about who gets the benefit, then that's about who is eligible for the benefit, not about how it is spent. It is specifically intended as a modest contribution to helping disabled people adapt to their needs.

    I have my own issues with Motability, as you know, mainly around equivalent mobility aids being excluded from the scheme.

    But non-disabled commentators trying to control the lives of disabled people without a really strong case is as obscene as it sounds.

    I haven't seen any weigh in from stirrers or politicians, but to me it has the same whiff as for example the outrage Robert Jenrick was trying to generate when he claimed that disability being listed as a factor deserving a pre-sentencing report in a Court Case was an act of discrimination against white men. But Jenrick is a dog whistler, as we know.
    I would suggest that by 'radically scaling back motability' Rentoul means looking at eligibility first and foremost.

    Your response reminds me of the trans-activist response to women who are angry with cross-dressers exposing themselves in women's loos. A blanket refusal to contemplate that there are people abusing the system - if you identify as disabled, you are. You're entitled to your opinion, but it seems odd to me, because these people are calling into question the benefits that those who are genuinely disabled depend upon, just as the perverts indulging their kink have called into question (wrongly in my view) the right of post-op transsexuals to use women's loos. I would be furious with them, not furious with the people wondering why motability has become a part of Britain's economy that can be seen from space.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,134
    edited March 22
    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    Taz said:

    What the reality of the so-called cuts to PIP really means. An increase of 26.67% over the life of this Parliament not an increase of a third.

    The govt have done the right thing trying to put a brake on this. They need to go further. Scrap the triple lock and radically scale back motability.

    https://x.com/johnrentoul/status/1903144427855487066?s=61

    How does a private motor finance company impact the public finances?

    Serious question. That has the feel of some vindictive people objecting to disabled people being able to use their Personal Independence Payment to make their lives easier.

    Is there a case to support such a move?

    Perhaps we need to start with not locking disabled people out of the best local parks.
    It’s not really a serious question given the framing.

    One in five new cars are motability and they go to people for all sorts of reasons. The scheme is expanding rapidly and needs to be looked at. For example the cars available on it and the reasons people can claim for one.

    This is, ultimately, taxpayers money going to fund these cars. There should be some accountability.
    This is a totally ridiculous comment. Motability is an independent charity, nothing to do with the government.

    You could argue that the mobility (not Motability) component of PIP should be reduced because transport costs including the cost of buying and running cars have come down (though I'm not sure they have) but to suggest the government should tell a charity how to run it's operation is the path to a totalitarian state.

    But that's the trouble with you rightists - always wanting to interfere with other people's lives.

    Maybe you'd be happier if we made disabled people use these instead?

    image
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,994
    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    Roger said:

    This is why Starmer shouldn't be leader today or ever.....David Hearst The Ramadan Massacre

    https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/ramadan-massacre-obliterates-wests-claim-moral-leadership

    Israel is proceeding with the Trump plan for Gaza according to some informed commentators
    on social media (as opposed to the Gaza conspIracists) The IDF are drawing up plans to evacuate Gaza.

    I expect in a couple of years Gaza will become a part of Israel with the connivance of the west and tacit agreement of other Arab nations in the region.
    That has serious knock-on implications for the West Bank and any idea of Palestinian statehood.

    Gaza is a deepwater port and major economic centre (or would be, in a normal world). It has a major international airport (albeit shut). It is home to around 40% of the population of the Palestinian Territories.
    Where does this "Gaza is a deepwater port" thing come from?

    AFAIK - no, it isn't, and no, it can't be made into one easily, either. That is, short of many billions being spent to build an island as was done for Hong Kong airport.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,207

    UK should ‘ideally’ not have ‘any’ troops in Ukraine, says Kemi Badenoch

    https://www.ft.com/content/fac609fc-f1fc-4e26-ad92-84cf23a234f4

    You can forsee exactly how it will go if SKS does put troops into Ukraine.

    1. Rush of enthusiasm. The nation's brow is gilded with laurels as we embark on a collective enterprise of unqualified good.

    2. Don't worry about RoE, strategy or an exit plan. See #1

    3. Stories start to appear about why they don't have socks. Questions Must Be Asked.

    4. British troops comport themselves with their usual restraint and decorum. Bad apples, not reflective of service ethos, etc.

    5. Gruz 200s start.

    6. The dominant objective becomes not to take casualties for political reasons leading to stasis and ineffectiveness.

    7. Put a giant fucking poppy on your Nissan Juke.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,244

    UK should ‘ideally’ not have ‘any’ troops in Ukraine, says Kemi Badenoch

    https://www.ft.com/content/fac609fc-f1fc-4e26-ad92-84cf23a234f4

    This intervention fitted in well with Kemi's 'show your workings' theme. She has come out strongly against 'doing things with no plan' and that includes military commitments. The implication being that Iraq wouldn't have been supported by a Kemi-led opposition. She's had a good few days.
    She was happy to support Liz Truss's 'no plan' premiership.
    Truss had a plan. She believed in boosting growth, and she had a way she wanted to try and do it. A lot of us think that way was wildly disastrous in the economic conditions she found herself in, but she did in fact know what she wanted to do.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,030
    Eabhal said:

    Taz said:

    What the reality of the so-called cuts to PIP really means. An increase of 26.67% over the life of this Parliament not an increase of a third.

    The govt have done the right thing trying to put a brake on this. They need to go further. Scrap the triple lock and radically scale back motability.
    https://x.com/johnrentoul/status/1903144427855487066?s=61

    There's a distinction between an increase in spending and a cut in the value of the benefit to claimants. They are not exclusive when the caseload is increasing. Indeed, incapacity benefits as a proportion of GDP have been flat for decades, suggesting that there have already been significant real terms cuts to the value to claimants.

    It's going to make life difficult for people with things like cancer, MND, severe arthritis, PTSD and so on. Another example - if we reduced hospital spending to what it was in real terms in 2005, that would also represent a "cut" because the scope and prevalence of hospital care has massively increased since then.
    Don’t worry. Kim Leadbetters assisted suicide bill, which should be named after Harold Shipman, and currently being steamrollered through the committee stage, will have come up with a solution.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,459
    Roger said:

    This is why Starmer shouldn't be leader today or ever.....David Hearst The Ramadan Massacre

    https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/ramadan-massacre-obliterates-wests-claim-moral-leadership

    Seems harsh to criticise Starmer for and action by Israel backed by the US. Ugly as it might be, it is the world’s interest to minimise friction with the US to the extent possible right now - and although you might feel good about Starmer condemning this event, what would it actually achieve?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,134
    edited March 22

    MattW said:

    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    Taz said:

    What the reality of the so-called cuts to PIP really means. An increase of 26.67% over the life of this Parliament not an increase of a third.

    The govt have done the right thing trying to put a brake on this. They need to go further. Scrap the triple lock and radically scale back motability.

    https://x.com/johnrentoul/status/1903144427855487066?s=61

    How does a private motor finance company impact the public finances?

    Serious question. That has the feel of some vindictive people objecting to disabled people being able to use their Personal Independence Payment to make their lives easier.

    Is there a case to support such a move?

    Perhaps we need to start with not locking disabled people out of the best local parks.
    It’s not really a serious question given the framing.

    One in five new cars are motability and they go to people for all sorts of reasons. The scheme is expanding rapidly and needs to be looked at. For example the cars available on it. This is, ultimately, taxpayers money going to fund these cars.
    I don't see the point there. The rapid expansion is likely to be a one-off due to the market.

    What I am hearing there is inchoate outrage about disabled people spending a non-means-tested benefit on something that they find helps them most effectively.

    I see no rational basis for interference. Basically, it's nothing whatsoever to do with the likes of John Rentoul or any politicians - unless an abuse can be shown. BTW I can't find the tweet - is it genuine?

    If there are believed to be problems about who gets the benefit, then that's about who is eligible for the benefit, not about how it is spent. It is specifically intended as a modest contribution to helping disabled people adapt to their needs.

    I have my own issues with Motability, as you know, mainly around equivalent mobility aids being excluded from the scheme.

    But non-disabled commentators trying to control the lives of disabled people without a really strong case is as obscene as it sounds.

    I haven't seen any weigh in from stirrers or politicians, but to me it has the same whiff as for example the outrage Robert Jenrick was trying to generate when he claimed that disability being listed as a factor deserving a pre-sentencing report in a Court Case was an act of discrimination against white men. But Jenrick is a dog whistler, as we know.
    I would suggest that by 'radically scaling back motability' Rentoul means looking at eligibility first and foremost.

    Your response reminds me of the trans-activist response to women who are angry with cross-dressers exposing themselves in women's loos. A blanket refusal to contemplate that there are people abusing the system - if you identify as disabled, you are. You're entitled to your opinion, but it seems odd to me, because these people are calling into question the benefits that those who are genuinely disabled depend upon, just as the perverts indulging their kink have called into question (wrongly in my view) the right of post-op transsexuals to use women's loos. I would be furious with them, not furious with the people wondering why motability has become a part of Britain's economy that can be seen from space.
    You're spouting off on something you know nothing about as usual.

    There's a set of cirtieria, a rigorous assessment, an appeal process. People who apply either qualify or they don't. Most who apply don't qualify for the higher rate mobility component of PIP, which is what you need to join the Motability scheme.

    There are regular reviews, a process for reporting suspected fraud, an established investigation team, fraudulent claimants are made to pay back the money they've received and can be fined or imprisoned.

    Your comment that "if you identify as disabled, you are" is utter bullshit and very offensive.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,030
    MattW said:

    Taz said:

    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    Roger said:

    This is why Starmer shouldn't be leader today or ever.....David Hearst The Ramadan Massacre

    https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/ramadan-massacre-obliterates-wests-claim-moral-leadership

    Israel is proceeding with the Trump plan for Gaza according to some informed commentators
    on social media (as opposed to the Gaza conspIracists) The IDF are drawing up plans to evacuate Gaza.

    I expect in a couple of years Gaza will become a part of Israel with the connivance of the west and tacit agreement of other Arab nations in the region.
    That has serious knock-on implications for the West Bank and any idea of Palestinian statehood.

    Gaza is a deepwater port and major economic centre (or would be, in a normal world). It has a major international airport (albeit shut). It is home to around 40% of the population of the Palestinian Territories.

    Deprived of that, any Palestinian state would be a small, landlocked entity with all its entrance and exit points except one controlled by Israel. Its largest economic centre would be Jericho, which is to Gaza City roughly the equivalent of Carlisle to Liverpool in economic terms.

    It would therefore be an Israeli protectorate - at the very least - whether the UN liked it or not. In fact, in all likelihood it would be very difficult for it to resist formal annexation (again, a stated goal of Netanyahu) and when it does the Mandatory area would have a Jewish majority (again, not possible if the population of Gaza is included).

    This has obviously been the plan by Netanyahu for several years, progressively making conditions worse in Gaza to encourage emigration, which has rather stalled on the fact the population have nowhere to go. I will admit I am surprised he has moved to be so blatant about it, but maybe he feels that with a total loon who couldn't find Gaza on a map in the White House and Iran in such a weak state due to Syria and Lebanon's crises, the age and confusion of the leadership and their backers seriously distracted by Ukraine he will never have a better chance to impose his will.

    And, of course, it's the people of Gaza that suffer for it.
    He’s been emboldened by Trump. Hence no need for subtlety

    There are already demands for Egypt and Jordan to open their borders. Once the Gazans are expunged they will never go back.

    The West Bank, as well as parts of Syria will eventually fall too. There are too many settlements in the West Bank now for,it to ever be a viable Palestinian state.
    This is in effect, Eretz Israel, using the terms of the extreme ideological Zionists. Rubio may be in that lobby from the Christian ZIonist side - I have not read him enough to know for sure, but he puts out the vibes.

    We have been round the "send them to Jordan" track decades ago; last time that resulted in a civil war.

    it will be exactly like all of Mr Chump's other nostrums; his monument will be the deaths of tens or hundreds of thousands and chaos wherever he interferes.
    There was a tweet from a retired British general currently,in Israel, which I now cannot find, demanding Egypt open the border to the Palestinians.

    You can understand why the Jordanians and Egyptians don’t want all of these people. They have enough problems of their own.

    So where do they go to enable this ?
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,244

    UK should ‘ideally’ not have ‘any’ troops in Ukraine, says Kemi Badenoch

    https://www.ft.com/content/fac609fc-f1fc-4e26-ad92-84cf23a234f4

    This intervention fitted in well with Kemi's 'show your workings' theme. She has come out strongly against 'doing things with no plan' and that includes military commitments. The implication being that Iraq wouldn't have been supported by a Kemi-led opposition. She's had a good few days.
    Up to a point. Even the Telegraph has criticised Kemi's leap to climate change culture war rather than justified scepticism about Labour's Net Zero plans.

    Kemi Badenoch’s net zero rant comes close to political tragedy
    The Tory leader is pitting herself against science to embrace culture war ideology

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/03/20/kemi-badenochs-net-zero-rant-comes-close-political-tragedy/ (£££)
    I’ll defend Badenoch here. She made very clear she did not dispute the scientific underpinnings of climate change and the need to reduce carbon emissions.

    Consensus on this topic among the major parties has made a lot of people feel rather powerless and that they are not sharing in the benefits of nor understanding the changes that they are told are coming. We are simply setting arbitrary targets but not telling our people how we are going to take that journey (beyond very vague “beyond X date you can’t buy Y.”) I don’t think there’s enough consensus in the country around how the journey is made for this to always be accepted unquestioningly, so fair play to Badenoch on that one (and I’m far from a big fan).
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,134

    UK should ‘ideally’ not have ‘any’ troops in Ukraine, says Kemi Badenoch

    https://www.ft.com/content/fac609fc-f1fc-4e26-ad92-84cf23a234f4

    This intervention fitted in well with Kemi's 'show your workings' theme. She has come out strongly against 'doing things with no plan' and that includes military commitments. The implication being that Iraq wouldn't have been supported by a Kemi-led opposition. She's had a good few days.
    She was happy to support Liz Truss's 'no plan' premiership.
    Truss had a plan. She believed in boosting growth, and she had a way she wanted to try and do it. A lot of us think that way was wildly disastrous in the economic conditions she found herself in, but she did in fact know what she wanted to do.
    She knew what she wanted to do in the sense that she 'wanted to boost growth' but she had no coherent plant to achieve that.

    I have a plan to get to the moon. My plan is to jump very, very, very high while holding my breath.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,030
    Dura_Ace said:

    UK should ‘ideally’ not have ‘any’ troops in Ukraine, says Kemi Badenoch

    https://www.ft.com/content/fac609fc-f1fc-4e26-ad92-84cf23a234f4

    You can forsee exactly how it will go if SKS does put troops into Ukraine.

    1. Rush of enthusiasm. The nation's brow is gilded with laurels as we embark on a collective enterprise of unqualified good.

    2. Don't worry about RoE, strategy or an exit plan. See #1

    3. Stories start to appear about why they don't have socks. Questions Must Be Asked.

    4. British troops comport themselves with their usual restraint and decorum. Bad apples, not reflective of service ethos, etc.

    5. Gruz 200s start.

    6. The dominant objective becomes not to take casualties for political reasons leading to stasis and ineffectiveness.

    7. Put a giant fucking poppy on your Nissan Juke.
    There will be a. ‘It will all be over by Xmas’ vine about it. 1914 redux.

    You ever driven a Juke ?

    I was once offered a job at a tier 1 automotive company working on components for the new Juke, it was late 2014.

    I politely declined.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,330

    UK should ‘ideally’ not have ‘any’ troops in Ukraine, says Kemi Badenoch

    https://www.ft.com/content/fac609fc-f1fc-4e26-ad92-84cf23a234f4

    This intervention fitted in well with Kemi's 'show your workings' theme. She has come out strongly against 'doing things with no plan' and that includes military commitments. The implication being that Iraq wouldn't have been supported by a Kemi-led opposition. She's had a good few days.
    Up to a point. Even the Telegraph has criticised Kemi's leap to climate change culture war rather than justified scepticism about Labour's Net Zero plans.

    Kemi Badenoch’s net zero rant comes close to political tragedy
    The Tory leader is pitting herself against science to embrace culture war ideology

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/03/20/kemi-badenochs-net-zero-rant-comes-close-political-tragedy/ (£££)
    I don't read the Telegraph regularly, but is Ambrose Evans-Pritchard (a man famous for being wrong about everything) sounding off in his column reflective of their broader coverage? The positive reception on the Daily T podcast suggests not to me.

    As for the validity of that criticism itself, it is exactly the opposite of what she did. Looks like the man living up to his reputation as a daft twat to me.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,994
    edited March 22

    MattW said:

    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    Taz said:

    What the reality of the so-called cuts to PIP really means. An increase of 26.67% over the life of this Parliament not an increase of a third.

    The govt have done the right thing trying to put a brake on this. They need to go further. Scrap the triple lock and radically scale back motability.

    https://x.com/johnrentoul/status/1903144427855487066?s=61

    How does a private motor finance company impact the public finances?

    Serious question. That has the feel of some vindictive people objecting to disabled people being able to use their Personal Independence Payment to make their lives easier.

    Is there a case to support such a move?

    Perhaps we need to start with not locking disabled people out of the best local parks.
    It’s not really a serious question given the framing.

    One in five new cars are motability and they go to people for all sorts of reasons. The scheme is expanding rapidly and needs to be looked at. For example the cars available on it. This is, ultimately, taxpayers money going to fund these cars.
    I don't see the point there. The rapid expansion is likely to be a one-off due to the market.

    What I am hearing there is inchoate outrage about disabled people spending a non-means-tested benefit on something that they find helps them most effectively.

    I see no rational basis for interference. Basically, it's nothing whatsoever to do with the likes of John Rentoul or any politicians - unless an abuse can be shown. BTW I can't find the tweet - is it genuine?

    If there are believed to be problems about who gets the benefit, then that's about who is eligible for the benefit, not about how it is spent. It is specifically intended as a modest contribution to helping disabled people adapt to their needs.

    I have my own issues with Motability, as you know, mainly around equivalent mobility aids being excluded from the scheme.

    But non-disabled commentators trying to control the lives of disabled people without a really strong case is as obscene as it sounds.

    I haven't seen any weigh in from stirrers or politicians, but to me it has the same whiff as for example the outrage Robert Jenrick was trying to generate when he claimed that disability being listed as a factor deserving a pre-sentencing report in a Court Case was an act of discrimination against white men. But Jenrick is a dog whistler, as we know.
    I would suggest that by 'radically scaling back motability' Rentoul means looking at eligibility first and foremost.

    Your response reminds me of the trans-activist response to women who are angry with cross-dressers exposing themselves in women's loos. A blanket refusal to contemplate that there are people abusing the system - if you identify as disabled, you are. You're entitled to your opinion, but it seems odd to me, because these people are calling into question the benefits that those who are genuinely disabled depend upon, just as the perverts indulging their kink have called into question (wrongly in my view) the right of post-op transsexuals to use women's loos. I would be furious with them, not furious with the people wondering why motability has become a part of Britain's economy that can be seen from space.
    I need to be blunt here. I have not refused to contemplate that there is a problem with eligibility.

    You just did not read what I wrote. I explicitly said:

    "If there are believed to be problems about who gets the benefit, then that's about who is eligible for the benefit, not about how it is spent.


    Have another go, and reply to what I said, not the straw men you are projecting?

    As a rider, I don't get this "identify as disabled" comment. That comes across as a bit of an obsession, like a dog with a bone. It's nothing to do with how PiP eligibility is determined - unless you know better from an understanding of the process that you can explain?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,603

    UK should ‘ideally’ not have ‘any’ troops in Ukraine, says Kemi Badenoch

    https://www.ft.com/content/fac609fc-f1fc-4e26-ad92-84cf23a234f4

    This intervention fitted in well with Kemi's 'show your workings' theme. She has come out strongly against 'doing things with no plan' and that includes military commitments. The implication being that Iraq wouldn't have been supported by a Kemi-led opposition. She's had a good few days.
    She was happy to support Liz Truss's 'no plan' premiership.
    Truss had a plan. She believed in boosting growth, and she had a way she wanted to try and do it. A lot of us think that way was wildly disastrous in the economic conditions she found herself in, but she did in fact know what she wanted to do.
    I have a plan to be a millionaire next week. I have bought a lottery ticket.

  • TazTaz Posts: 17,030

    MattW said:

    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    Taz said:

    What the reality of the so-called cuts to PIP really means. An increase of 26.67% over the life of this Parliament not an increase of a third.

    The govt have done the right thing trying to put a brake on this. They need to go further. Scrap the triple lock and radically scale back motability.

    https://x.com/johnrentoul/status/1903144427855487066?s=61

    How does a private motor finance company impact the public finances?

    Serious question. That has the feel of some vindictive people objecting to disabled people being able to use their Personal Independence Payment to make their lives easier.

    Is there a case to support such a move?

    Perhaps we need to start with not locking disabled people out of the best local parks.
    It’s not really a serious question given the framing.

    One in five new cars are motability and they go to people for all sorts of reasons. The scheme is expanding rapidly and needs to be looked at. For example the cars available on it. This is, ultimately, taxpayers money going to fund these cars.
    I don't see the point there. The rapid expansion is likely to be a one-off due to the market.

    What I am hearing there is inchoate outrage about disabled people spending a non-means-tested benefit on something that they find helps them most effectively.

    I see no rational basis for interference. Basically, it's nothing whatsoever to do with the likes of John Rentoul or any politicians - unless an abuse can be shown. BTW I can't find the tweet - is it genuine?

    If there are believed to be problems about who gets the benefit, then that's about who is eligible for the benefit, not about how it is spent. It is specifically intended as a modest contribution to helping disabled people adapt to their needs.

    I have my own issues with Motability, as you know, mainly around equivalent mobility aids being excluded from the scheme.

    But non-disabled commentators trying to control the lives of disabled people without a really strong case is as obscene as it sounds.

    I haven't seen any weigh in from stirrers or politicians, but to me it has the same whiff as for example the outrage Robert Jenrick was trying to generate when he claimed that disability being listed as a factor deserving a pre-sentencing report in a Court Case was an act of discrimination against white men. But Jenrick is a dog whistler, as we know.
    I would suggest that by 'radically scaling back motability' Rentoul means looking at eligibility first and foremost.

    Your response reminds me of the trans-activist response to women who are angry with cross-dressers exposing themselves in women's loos. A blanket refusal to contemplate that there are people abusing the system - if you identify as disabled, you are. You're entitled to your opinion, but it seems odd to me, because these people are calling into question the benefits that those who are genuinely disabled depend upon, just as the perverts indulging their kink have called into question (wrongly in my view) the right of post-op transsexuals to use women's loos. I would be furious with them, not furious with the people wondering why motability has become a part of Britain's economy that can be seen from space.
    You're spouting off on something you know nothing about as usual.

    There's a set of cirtieria, a rigorous assessment, an appeal process. People who apply either qualify or they don't. Most who apply don't qualify for the higher rate mobility component of PIP, which is what you need to join the Motability scheme.

    There are regular reviews, a process for reporting suspected fraud, an established investigation team, fraudulent claimants are made to pay back the money they've received and can be fined or imprisoned.

    Your comment that "if you identify as disabled, you are" is utter bullshit and very offensive.
    Criteria.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,244

    UK should ‘ideally’ not have ‘any’ troops in Ukraine, says Kemi Badenoch

    https://www.ft.com/content/fac609fc-f1fc-4e26-ad92-84cf23a234f4

    This intervention fitted in well with Kemi's 'show your workings' theme. She has come out strongly against 'doing things with no plan' and that includes military commitments. The implication being that Iraq wouldn't have been supported by a Kemi-led opposition. She's had a good few days.
    She was happy to support Liz Truss's 'no plan' premiership.
    Truss had a plan. She believed in boosting growth, and she had a way she wanted to try and do it. A lot of us think that way was wildly disastrous in the economic conditions she found herself in, but she did in fact know what she wanted to do.
    She knew what she wanted to do in the sense that she 'wanted to boost growth' but she had no coherent plant to achieve that.

    I have a plan to get to the moon. My plan is to jump very, very, very high while holding my breath.
    She did. In very simplistic terms, her view was that reducing the tax burden would stimulate growth and pay for itself. That’s the basic crux of the matter. Now the markets didn’t think much to that tactic, to put it mildly, but to be fair to her (and I can’t believe I’m writing that) that was consistent with what she had said the mission of her government was.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,051
    Dura_Ace said:

    UK should ‘ideally’ not have ‘any’ troops in Ukraine, says Kemi Badenoch

    https://www.ft.com/content/fac609fc-f1fc-4e26-ad92-84cf23a234f4

    You can forsee exactly how it will go if SKS does put troops into Ukraine.

    1. Rush of enthusiasm. The nation's brow is gilded with laurels as we embark on a collective enterprise of unqualified good.

    2. Don't worry about RoE, strategy or an exit plan. See #1

    3. Stories start to appear about why they don't have socks. Questions Must Be Asked.

    4. British troops comport themselves with their usual restraint and decorum. Bad apples, not reflective of service ethos, etc.

    5. Gruz 200s start.

    6. The dominant objective becomes not to take casualties for political reasons leading to stasis and ineffectiveness.

    7. Put a giant fucking poppy on your Nissan Juke.
    I. (b) Substantial increase of Royals in uniform with chestfuls of medals for macrame (Harry & Andrew excepted).
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,145
    Foxy said:

    UK should ‘ideally’ not have ‘any’ troops in Ukraine, says Kemi Badenoch

    https://www.ft.com/content/fac609fc-f1fc-4e26-ad92-84cf23a234f4

    This intervention fitted in well with Kemi's 'show your workings' theme. She has come out strongly against 'doing things with no plan' and that includes military commitments. The implication being that Iraq wouldn't have been supported by a Kemi-led opposition. She's had a good few days.
    She was happy to support Liz Truss's 'no plan' premiership.
    Truss had a plan. She believed in boosting growth, and she had a way she wanted to try and do it. A lot of us think that way was wildly disastrous in the economic conditions she found herself in, but she did in fact know what she wanted to do.
    I have a plan to be a millionaire next week. I have bought a lottery ticket.

    A plan with a better chance of delivery than Truss's....
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,816
    A depressing but entirely unsurprising poll for the opposition parties and the Tories in particular. Where is the narrative about how we start to get out of this mess, however slowly?

    We are borrowing £100bn a year. Reeves says she will not borrow for current consumption but is finding it increasingly difficult to make the numbers work for that. Expect more tax increases (hopefully not as economically damaging as those in October) and fudging around what is "investment".

    That massive stimulus to demand is not generating growth. It is not generating growth because too much of our consumption is spent on imports. We are bleeding nearly £50bn of demand to imports a year. Obviously we need imports. But we also need to produce as much as we consume.

    So, our priorities should be increasing investment, reducing consumption, increasing production and eliminating both the fiscal and trade deficits. Is this really this hard? Obviously the devil is in the details but what is needed is a narrative that both acknowledges the mess we are in and the long, painful journey we need to undertake to get out of it. Where is the shadow Chancellor?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,330

    UK should ‘ideally’ not have ‘any’ troops in Ukraine, says Kemi Badenoch

    https://www.ft.com/content/fac609fc-f1fc-4e26-ad92-84cf23a234f4

    This intervention fitted in well with Kemi's 'show your workings' theme. She has come out strongly against 'doing things with no plan' and that includes military commitments. The implication being that Iraq wouldn't have been supported by a Kemi-led opposition. She's had a good few days.
    She was happy to support Liz Truss's 'no plan' premiership.
    Truss had a plan. She believed in boosting growth, and she had a way she wanted to try and do it. A lot of us think that way was wildly disastrous in the economic conditions she found herself in, but she did in fact know what she wanted to do.
    She knew what she wanted to do in the sense that she 'wanted to boost growth' but she had no coherent plant to achieve that.

    I have a plan to get to the moon. My plan is to jump very, very, very high while holding my breath.
    She had a very coherent growth plan - unfortunately the mini-budget wasn't it, and though I support the measures in it, it was presented like a right-wing tombola full of goodies for rich people.

    For all her faults however, Kemi wasn't really an insider in the Truss period. She has far more questions to answer about her responsibilities and failures during the Sunak era. But hey.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,361
    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    Taz said:

    What the reality of the so-called cuts to PIP really means. An increase of 26.67% over the life of this Parliament not an increase of a third.

    The govt have done the right thing trying to put a brake on this. They need to go further. Scrap the triple lock and radically scale back motability.

    https://x.com/johnrentoul/status/1903144427855487066?s=61

    How does a private motor finance company impact the public finances?

    Serious question. That has the feel of some vindictive people objecting to disabled people being able to use their Personal Independence Payment to make their lives easier.

    Is there a case to support such a move?

    Perhaps we need to start with not locking disabled people out of the best local parks.
    It’s not really a serious question given the framing.

    One in five new cars are motability and they go to people for all sorts of reasons. The scheme is expanding rapidly and needs to be looked at. For example the cars available on it. This is, ultimately, taxpayers money going to fund these cars.
    I don't see the point there. The rapid expansion is likely to be a one-off due to the market.

    What I am hearing there is inchoate outrage about disabled people spending a non-means-tested benefit on something that they find helps them most effectively.

    I see no rational basis for interference. Basically, it's nothing whatsoever to do with the likes of John Rentoul or any politicians - unless an abuse can be shown. BTW I can't find the tweet - is it genuine?

    If there are believed to be problems about who gets the benefit, then that's about who is eligible for the benefit, not about how it is spent. It is specifically intended as a modest contribution to helping disabled people adapt to their needs.

    I have my own issues with Motability, as you know, mainly around equivalent mobility aids being excluded from the scheme.

    But non-disabled commentators trying to control the lives of disabled people without a really strong case is as obscene as it sounds.

    I haven't seen any weigh in from stirrers or politicians, but to me it has the same whiff as for example the outrage Robert Jenrick was trying to generate when he claimed that disability being listed as a factor deserving a pre-sentencing report in a Court Case was an act of discrimination against white men. But Jenrick is a dog whistler, as we know.
    I would suggest that by 'radically scaling back motability' Rentoul means looking at eligibility first and foremost.

    Your response reminds me of the trans-activist response to women who are angry with cross-dressers exposing themselves in women's loos. A blanket refusal to contemplate that there are people abusing the system - if you identify as disabled, you are. You're entitled to your opinion, but it seems odd to me, because these people are calling into question the benefits that those who are genuinely disabled depend upon, just as the perverts indulging their kink have called into question (wrongly in my view) the right of post-op transsexuals to use women's loos. I would be furious with them, not furious with the people wondering why motability has become a part of Britain's economy that can be seen from space.
    You're spouting off on something you know nothing about as usual.

    There's a set of cirtieria, a rigorous assessment, an appeal process. People who apply either qualify or they don't. Most who apply don't qualify for the higher rate mobility component of PIP, which is what you need to join the Motability scheme.

    There are regular reviews, a process for reporting suspected fraud, an established investigation team, fraudulent claimants are made to pay back the money they've received and can be fined or imprisoned.

    Your comment that "if you identify as disabled, you are" is utter bullshit and very offensive.
    Criteria.
    That's your response? Unnecessarily pointing out an obvious typo.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,603
    I see that Bernie and AOC are drawing big crowds on their smash the oligarchy tour.

    If there's ever another election in America, I can see AOC getting the Dem nomination. She seems to be getting Bernies endorsement.

    I am on at 45, I notice she is now 22.

    https://bsky.app/profile/aoc.bsky.social/post/3lkwlajfsbs24

  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,734

    UK should ‘ideally’ not have ‘any’ troops in Ukraine, says Kemi Badenoch

    https://www.ft.com/content/fac609fc-f1fc-4e26-ad92-84cf23a234f4

    This intervention fitted in well with Kemi's 'show your workings' theme. She has come out strongly against 'doing things with no plan' and that includes military commitments. The implication being that Iraq wouldn't have been supported by a Kemi-led opposition. She's had a good few days.
    Up to a point. Even the Telegraph has criticised Kemi's leap to climate change culture war rather than justified scepticism about Labour's Net Zero plans.

    Kemi Badenoch’s net zero rant comes close to political tragedy
    The Tory leader is pitting herself against science to embrace culture war ideology

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/03/20/kemi-badenochs-net-zero-rant-comes-close-political-tragedy/ (£££)
    I’ll defend Badenoch here. She made very clear she did not dispute the scientific underpinnings of climate change and the need to reduce carbon emissions.

    Consensus on this topic among the major parties has made a lot of people feel rather powerless and that they are not sharing in the benefits of nor understanding the changes that they are told are coming. We are simply setting arbitrary targets but not telling our people how we are going to take that journey (beyond very vague “beyond X date you can’t buy Y.”) I don’t think there’s enough consensus in the country around how the journey is made for this to always be accepted unquestioningly, so fair play to Badenoch on that one (and I’m far from a big fan).
    A short extract from the Telegraph:-

    Kemi Badenoch has missed an open goal. The Tory leader could have launched a withering attack on the dysfunctional absolutism of Labour’s Clean Power 2030 plan.

    She could have aimed her fire at the mad “marginal” pricing system, whereby the last molecule of gas needed to keep lights on in London sets the cost of electricity in the faraway industrial hubs of Teesside or the Humber, which have abundant and cheaper wind power just offshore.

    She could have demanded to know why Britain’s energy-intensive industries are not shielded from network charges and costs in the same way as European peers, which leaves UK steelmakers paying circa £66 MWh for power, compared to £49.5 MWh in Germany – a country that has an even higher share of green power in its mix than Britain.
    ...
    She could have held Labour’s feet to the fire over its prohibitions and compulsive posturing. She could have told us how a Badenoch government would seize the economic prize of clean tech and cheap energy, doing it the free-market Tory way by means of price signals.

    Instead, she went full Farageist and declared culture war on net zero, calling it a “fantasy politics, built on nothing, promising the Earth”.
    ...
    If you are going to repudiate a core position of the Conservative Party – and smash Britain’s cross-party consensus on climate policy – you might wish to avoid claims about decarbonisation that are demonstrably untrue.

    “Anyone who has done any serious analysis knows it cannot be achieved without a significant drop in our living standards or worse, by bankrupting us,” she said.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/03/20/kemi-badenochs-net-zero-rant-comes-close-political-tragedy/ (£££)
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,030
    The wonderful Mary Tamm, sadly gone too soon, BOTD in 1950

    https://x.com/classicbritcom/status/1903244611994231289?s=61
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,816
    Foxy said:

    UK should ‘ideally’ not have ‘any’ troops in Ukraine, says Kemi Badenoch

    https://www.ft.com/content/fac609fc-f1fc-4e26-ad92-84cf23a234f4

    This intervention fitted in well with Kemi's 'show your workings' theme. She has come out strongly against 'doing things with no plan' and that includes military commitments. The implication being that Iraq wouldn't have been supported by a Kemi-led opposition. She's had a good few days.
    She was happy to support Liz Truss's 'no plan' premiership.
    Truss had a plan. She believed in boosting growth, and she had a way she wanted to try and do it. A lot of us think that way was wildly disastrous in the economic conditions she found herself in, but she did in fact know what she wanted to do.
    I have a plan to be a millionaire next week. I have bought a lottery ticket.

    I seriously hope you are not trying to queue jump @Foxy. We have been waiting for that million pounds for decades now and it is way past our turn.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,030
    edited March 22
    kjh said:

    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    Taz said:

    What the reality of the so-called cuts to PIP really means. An increase of 26.67% over the life of this Parliament not an increase of a third.

    The govt have done the right thing trying to put a brake on this. They need to go further. Scrap the triple lock and radically scale back motability.

    https://x.com/johnrentoul/status/1903144427855487066?s=61

    How does a private motor finance company impact the public finances?

    Serious question. That has the feel of some vindictive people objecting to disabled people being able to use their Personal Independence Payment to make their lives easier.

    Is there a case to support such a move?

    Perhaps we need to start with not locking disabled people out of the best local parks.
    It’s not really a serious question given the framing.

    One in five new cars are motability and they go to people for all sorts of reasons. The scheme is expanding rapidly and needs to be looked at. For example the cars available on it. This is, ultimately, taxpayers money going to fund these cars.
    I don't see the point there. The rapid expansion is likely to be a one-off due to the market.

    What I am hearing there is inchoate outrage about disabled people spending a non-means-tested benefit on something that they find helps them most effectively.

    I see no rational basis for interference. Basically, it's nothing whatsoever to do with the likes of John Rentoul or any politicians - unless an abuse can be shown. BTW I can't find the tweet - is it genuine?

    If there are believed to be problems about who gets the benefit, then that's about who is eligible for the benefit, not about how it is spent. It is specifically intended as a modest contribution to helping disabled people adapt to their needs.

    I have my own issues with Motability, as you know, mainly around equivalent mobility aids being excluded from the scheme.

    But non-disabled commentators trying to control the lives of disabled people without a really strong case is as obscene as it sounds.

    I haven't seen any weigh in from stirrers or politicians, but to me it has the same whiff as for example the outrage Robert Jenrick was trying to generate when he claimed that disability being listed as a factor deserving a pre-sentencing report in a Court Case was an act of discrimination against white men. But Jenrick is a dog whistler, as we know.
    I would suggest that by 'radically scaling back motability' Rentoul means looking at eligibility first and foremost.

    Your response reminds me of the trans-activist response to women who are angry with cross-dressers exposing themselves in women's loos. A blanket refusal to contemplate that there are people abusing the system - if you identify as disabled, you are. You're entitled to your opinion, but it seems odd to me, because these people are calling into question the benefits that those who are genuinely disabled depend upon, just as the perverts indulging their kink have called into question (wrongly in my view) the right of post-op transsexuals to use women's loos. I would be furious with them, not furious with the people wondering why motability has become a part of Britain's economy that can be seen from space.
    You're spouting off on something you know nothing about as usual.

    There's a set of cirtieria, a rigorous assessment, an appeal process. People who apply either qualify or they don't. Most who apply don't qualify for the higher rate mobility component of PIP, which is what you need to join the Motability scheme.

    There are regular reviews, a process for reporting suspected fraud, an established investigation team, fraudulent claimants are made to pay back the money they've received and can be fined or imprisoned.

    Your comment that "if you identify as disabled, you are" is utter bullshit and very offensive.
    Criteria.
    That's your response? Unnecessarily pointing out an obvious typo.
    Yes,

    Any rule against it ?

    It’s something Luckyguy, who I always like to read, does quite a bit so I thought I’d do it. Save him the bother.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,330
    edited March 22

    MattW said:

    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    Taz said:

    What the reality of the so-called cuts to PIP really means. An increase of 26.67% over the life of this Parliament not an increase of a third.

    The govt have done the right thing trying to put a brake on this. They need to go further. Scrap the triple lock and radically scale back motability.

    https://x.com/johnrentoul/status/1903144427855487066?s=61

    How does a private motor finance company impact the public finances?

    Serious question. That has the feel of some vindictive people objecting to disabled people being able to use their Personal Independence Payment to make their lives easier.

    Is there a case to support such a move?

    Perhaps we need to start with not locking disabled people out of the best local parks.
    It’s not really a serious question given the framing.

    One in five new cars are motability and they go to people for all sorts of reasons. The scheme is expanding rapidly and needs to be looked at. For example the cars available on it. This is, ultimately, taxpayers money going to fund these cars.
    I don't see the point there. The rapid expansion is likely to be a one-off due to the market.

    What I am hearing there is inchoate outrage about disabled people spending a non-means-tested benefit on something that they find helps them most effectively.

    I see no rational basis for interference. Basically, it's nothing whatsoever to do with the likes of John Rentoul or any politicians - unless an abuse can be shown. BTW I can't find the tweet - is it genuine?

    If there are believed to be problems about who gets the benefit, then that's about who is eligible for the benefit, not about how it is spent. It is specifically intended as a modest contribution to helping disabled people adapt to their needs.

    I have my own issues with Motability, as you know, mainly around equivalent mobility aids being excluded from the scheme.

    But non-disabled commentators trying to control the lives of disabled people without a really strong case is as obscene as it sounds.

    I haven't seen any weigh in from stirrers or politicians, but to me it has the same whiff as for example the outrage Robert Jenrick was trying to generate when he claimed that disability being listed as a factor deserving a pre-sentencing report in a Court Case was an act of discrimination against white men. But Jenrick is a dog whistler, as we know.
    I would suggest that by 'radically scaling back motability' Rentoul means looking at eligibility first and foremost.

    Your response reminds me of the trans-activist response to women who are angry with cross-dressers exposing themselves in women's loos. A blanket refusal to contemplate that there are people abusing the system - if you identify as disabled, you are. You're entitled to your opinion, but it seems odd to me, because these people are calling into question the benefits that those who are genuinely disabled depend upon, just as the perverts indulging their kink have called into question (wrongly in my view) the right of post-op transsexuals to use women's loos. I would be furious with them, not furious with the people wondering why motability has become a part of Britain's economy that can be seen from space.
    You're spouting off on something you know nothing about as usual.

    There's a set of cirtieria, a rigorous assessment, an appeal process. People who apply either qualify or they don't. Most who apply don't qualify for the higher rate mobility component of PIP, which is what you need to join the Motability scheme.

    There are regular reviews, a process for reporting suspected fraud, an established investigation team, fraudulent claimants are made to pay back the money they've received and can be fined or imprisoned.

    Your comment that "if you identify as disabled, you are" is utter bullshit and very offensive.
    We can argue about whether my post is bullshit or not, but what it isn't is offensive. To assign it as offensive is to do exactly what I am observing - to try to stamp on criticism not of disabled people, but of able-bodied people gaming the system. That is (as I said) an odd and confusing stance.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,816
    Dura_Ace said:

    UK should ‘ideally’ not have ‘any’ troops in Ukraine, says Kemi Badenoch

    https://www.ft.com/content/fac609fc-f1fc-4e26-ad92-84cf23a234f4

    You can forsee exactly how it will go if SKS does put troops into Ukraine.

    1. Rush of enthusiasm. The nation's brow is gilded with laurels as we embark on a collective enterprise of unqualified good.

    2. Don't worry about RoE, strategy or an exit plan. See #1

    3. Stories start to appear about why they don't have socks. Questions Must Be Asked.

    4. British troops comport themselves with their usual restraint and decorum. Bad apples, not reflective of service ethos, etc.

    5. Gruz 200s start.

    6. The dominant objective becomes not to take casualties for political reasons leading to stasis and ineffectiveness.

    7. Put a giant fucking poppy on your Nissan Juke.
    You're assuming that our rather sad and embarrassing contribution to the occupation of Iraq is going to be replicated?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,121
    DavidL said:

    A depressing but entirely unsurprising poll for the opposition parties and the Tories in particular. Where is the narrative about how we start to get out of this mess, however slowly?

    We are borrowing £100bn a year. Reeves says she will not borrow for current consumption but is finding it increasingly difficult to make the numbers work for that. Expect more tax increases (hopefully not as economically damaging as those in October) and fudging around what is "investment".

    That massive stimulus to demand is not generating growth. It is not generating growth because too much of our consumption is spent on imports. We are bleeding nearly £50bn of demand to imports a year. Obviously we need imports. But we also need to produce as much as we consume.

    So, our priorities should be increasing investment, reducing consumption, increasing production and eliminating both the fiscal and trade deficits. Is this really this hard? Obviously the devil is in the details but what is needed is a narrative that both acknowledges the mess we are in and the long, painful journey we need to undertake to get out of it. Where is the shadow Chancellor?

    Trouble is, we don't want to consume less. Many people at the bottom can't realistically consume meaningfully less, and those at the top think that they deserve to consume more.

    (The finger pointing about why we don't need to get to net zero pretty urgently is another manifestation of roughly the same psychology.)

    So we get these silly fantasies that, as long as we stop this or that bit of spending that doesn't really seem to benefit us, everything will be fine.

    It's bigger than that, and probably has been since the Lawson years.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,603
    DavidL said:

    A depressing but entirely unsurprising poll for the opposition parties and the Tories in particular. Where is the narrative about how we start to get out of this mess, however slowly?

    We are borrowing £100bn a year. Reeves says she will not borrow for current consumption but is finding it increasingly difficult to make the numbers work for that. Expect more tax increases (hopefully not as economically damaging as those in October) and fudging around what is "investment".

    That massive stimulus to demand is not generating growth. It is not generating growth because too much of our consumption is spent on imports. We are bleeding nearly £50bn of demand to imports a year. Obviously we need imports. But we also need to produce as much as we consume.

    So, our priorities should be increasing investment, reducing consumption, increasing production and eliminating both the fiscal and trade deficits. Is this really this hard? Obviously the devil is in the details but what is needed is a narrative that both acknowledges the mess we are in and the long, painful journey we need to undertake to get out of it. Where is the shadow Chancellor?

    The reason we are in this mess financially is that neither party was being honest with us about the financial situation in July. Both parties made ludicrous promises on the Triple lock and no increase in taxes, but you can only ignore reality for so long before it slaps you in the face.

    No wonder opinions on both Labour and Tories are so low. People want free stuff and the moon on a stick, so will vote Faragist next time. We are on a trajectory of a failed state.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,734
    Troubled UK statistics agency warns of errors in its growth figures
    ONS, already working on fixing a survey, uncovers problems with two indices used to measure prices in economy

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/mar/21/troubled-uk-statistics-agency-warns-of-errors-in-its-growth-figures

    Stop press: Reeves could be the greatest Chancellor ever. Or the worst. No-one knows. Part 94 in our series, all economic statistics are rubbish.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,994
    edited March 22
    One that I don't think we have covered - I may have missed it. Foreign funding of political parties.

    Limitations on foreign funding of UK political parties are being considered earlier than thought likely. They were in the Starmer Manifesto. Sky News framed it as a response to Musk's meddling. The alleged proposals to do it on the basis of profits made in the UK seems timid to me.

    There are other things that could go alongside it as a theme of the next King's Speech - levellng up voter ID, votes for 16 year olds etc.

    https://news.sky.com/story/foreign-donations-to-uk-political-parties-set-to-be-restricted-amid-rumours-elon-musk-is-planning-to-give-80m-to-reform-13328570
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,603
    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    UK should ‘ideally’ not have ‘any’ troops in Ukraine, says Kemi Badenoch

    https://www.ft.com/content/fac609fc-f1fc-4e26-ad92-84cf23a234f4

    This intervention fitted in well with Kemi's 'show your workings' theme. She has come out strongly against 'doing things with no plan' and that includes military commitments. The implication being that Iraq wouldn't have been supported by a Kemi-led opposition. She's had a good few days.
    She was happy to support Liz Truss's 'no plan' premiership.
    Truss had a plan. She believed in boosting growth, and she had a way she wanted to try and do it. A lot of us think that way was wildly disastrous in the economic conditions she found herself in, but she did in fact know what she wanted to do.
    I have a plan to be a millionaire next week. I have bought a lottery ticket.

    I seriously hope you are not trying to queue jump @Foxy. We have been waiting for that million pounds for decades now and it is way past our turn.
    The key seems to be to choose the right numbers.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,030
    Local election leaflets. I’ve had two in a seat I expect to return one Indy and one Reform.

    Labour full of what the current coalition running Durham is doing wrong and how they would be much better while forgetting they have a poor record of their time in office and did not do a great job. All rather bland.

    One from reform who only seem to be putting up one candidate. All stop the boats, net zero, cut my tax, and little as to,what they’d do for Durham. Which is what I care about.

    Not a great start really. Also sounds like they are both out campaigning too.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,734
    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    UK should ‘ideally’ not have ‘any’ troops in Ukraine, says Kemi Badenoch

    https://www.ft.com/content/fac609fc-f1fc-4e26-ad92-84cf23a234f4

    This intervention fitted in well with Kemi's 'show your workings' theme. She has come out strongly against 'doing things with no plan' and that includes military commitments. The implication being that Iraq wouldn't have been supported by a Kemi-led opposition. She's had a good few days.
    She was happy to support Liz Truss's 'no plan' premiership.
    Truss had a plan. She believed in boosting growth, and she had a way she wanted to try and do it. A lot of us think that way was wildly disastrous in the economic conditions she found herself in, but she did in fact know what she wanted to do.
    I have a plan to be a millionaire next week. I have bought a lottery ticket.

    I seriously hope you are not trying to queue jump @Foxy. We have been waiting for that million pounds for decades now and it is way past our turn.
    Typical lawyer. A game that requires no skill whatsoever and he still can't win.

    It is a good day to buy a lottery ticket and hope no-one picks all six numbers. It is a "must be won" day so we can hope for £100 for three numbers if it all rolls down.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,816

    DavidL said:

    A depressing but entirely unsurprising poll for the opposition parties and the Tories in particular. Where is the narrative about how we start to get out of this mess, however slowly?

    We are borrowing £100bn a year. Reeves says she will not borrow for current consumption but is finding it increasingly difficult to make the numbers work for that. Expect more tax increases (hopefully not as economically damaging as those in October) and fudging around what is "investment".

    That massive stimulus to demand is not generating growth. It is not generating growth because too much of our consumption is spent on imports. We are bleeding nearly £50bn of demand to imports a year. Obviously we need imports. But we also need to produce as much as we consume.

    So, our priorities should be increasing investment, reducing consumption, increasing production and eliminating both the fiscal and trade deficits. Is this really this hard? Obviously the devil is in the details but what is needed is a narrative that both acknowledges the mess we are in and the long, painful journey we need to undertake to get out of it. Where is the shadow Chancellor?

    Trouble is, we don't want to consume less. Many people at the bottom can't realistically consume meaningfully less, and those at the top think that they deserve to consume more.

    (The finger pointing about why we don't need to get to net zero pretty urgently is another manifestation of roughly the same psychology.)

    So we get these silly fantasies that, as long as we stop this or that bit of spending that doesn't really seem to benefit us, everything will be fine.

    It's bigger than that, and probably has been since the Lawson years.
    There actually has been a notable increase in the household savings rate in recent times: https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/personal-savings#:~:text=Household Saving Rate in the United Kingdom decreased,10.30 percent in the second quarter of 2024.

    The problem is that this is being offset by profligate government spending. Let's face it, Reeves' target of "only" borrowing every pound that is "invested" is an incredibly modest one. No business or household would operate on such a basis. And she is struggling to achieve even that having blown her extra £22bn on wages.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,330

    UK should ‘ideally’ not have ‘any’ troops in Ukraine, says Kemi Badenoch

    https://www.ft.com/content/fac609fc-f1fc-4e26-ad92-84cf23a234f4

    This intervention fitted in well with Kemi's 'show your workings' theme. She has come out strongly against 'doing things with no plan' and that includes military commitments. The implication being that Iraq wouldn't have been supported by a Kemi-led opposition. She's had a good few days.
    Up to a point. Even the Telegraph has criticised Kemi's leap to climate change culture war rather than justified scepticism about Labour's Net Zero plans.

    Kemi Badenoch’s net zero rant comes close to political tragedy
    The Tory leader is pitting herself against science to embrace culture war ideology

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/03/20/kemi-badenochs-net-zero-rant-comes-close-political-tragedy/ (£££)
    I’ll defend Badenoch here. She made very clear she did not dispute the scientific underpinnings of climate change and the need to reduce carbon emissions.

    Consensus on this topic among the major parties has made a lot of people feel rather powerless and that they are not sharing in the benefits of nor understanding the changes that they are told are coming. We are simply setting arbitrary targets but not telling our people how we are going to take that journey (beyond very vague “beyond X date you can’t buy Y.”) I don’t think there’s enough consensus in the country around how the journey is made for this to always be accepted unquestioningly, so fair play to Badenoch on that one (and I’m far from a big fan).
    A short extract from the Telegraph:-

    Kemi Badenoch has missed an open goal. The Tory leader could have launched a withering attack on the dysfunctional absolutism of Labour’s Clean Power 2030 plan.

    She could have aimed her fire at the mad “marginal” pricing system, whereby the last molecule of gas needed to keep lights on in London sets the cost of electricity in the faraway industrial hubs of Teesside or the Humber, which have abundant and cheaper wind power just offshore.

    She could have demanded to know why Britain’s energy-intensive industries are not shielded from network charges and costs in the same way as European peers, which leaves UK steelmakers paying circa £66 MWh for power, compared to £49.5 MWh in Germany – a country that has an even higher share of green power in its mix than Britain.
    ...
    She could have held Labour’s feet to the fire over its prohibitions and compulsive posturing. She could have told us how a Badenoch government would seize the economic prize of clean tech and cheap energy, doing it the free-market Tory way by means of price signals.

    Instead, she went full Farageist and declared culture war on net zero, calling it a “fantasy politics, built on nothing, promising the Earth”.
    ...
    If you are going to repudiate a core position of the Conservative Party – and smash Britain’s cross-party consensus on climate policy – you might wish to avoid claims about decarbonisation that are demonstrably untrue.

    “Anyone who has done any serious analysis knows it cannot be achieved without a significant drop in our living standards or worse, by bankrupting us,” she said.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/03/20/kemi-badenochs-net-zero-rant-comes-close-political-tragedy/ (£££)
    Actually she couldn't have made those cricitisms, valid as I am sure they are. It was a short (though with a fair bit of content) presentation, and couldn't have gone on for longer without losing its impact.

    It was 'built on nothing' because there was no plan (this is simply a matter of historical record) on how to implement it beyond hoping for the best. Why exactly should Kemi and her team attempt to bend reality, just to make May and Boris' amateur hour politics look less ridiculous?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,121
    Foxy said:

    I see that Bernie and AOC are drawing big crowds on their smash the oligarchy tour.

    If there's ever another election in America, I can see AOC getting the Dem nomination. She seems to be getting Bernies endorsement.

    I am on at 45, I notice she is now 22.

    https://bsky.app/profile/aoc.bsky.social/post/3lkwlajfsbs24

    A lot depends on what the opposition to MAGA needs to look like in 2026 and 2028.

    If they need someone to calm things down, Sanders and AOC are exactly the wrong way to go. Tim Walz, or someone like him, would be way better.

    Unfortunately, it may need a revolutionary to break through. Basically, a real-life
    Katniss Everdeen. AOC fits that bill pretty well.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,271
    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    UK should ‘ideally’ not have ‘any’ troops in Ukraine, says Kemi Badenoch

    https://www.ft.com/content/fac609fc-f1fc-4e26-ad92-84cf23a234f4

    This intervention fitted in well with Kemi's 'show your workings' theme. She has come out strongly against 'doing things with no plan' and that includes military commitments. The implication being that Iraq wouldn't have been supported by a Kemi-led opposition. She's had a good few days.
    She was happy to support Liz Truss's 'no plan' premiership.
    Truss had a plan. She believed in boosting growth, and she had a way she wanted to try and do it. A lot of us think that way was wildly disastrous in the economic conditions she found herself in, but she did in fact know what she wanted to do.
    I have a plan to be a millionaire next week. I have bought a lottery ticket.

    I seriously hope you are not trying to queue jump @Foxy. We have been waiting for that million pounds for decades now and it is way past our turn.
    The key seems to be to choose the right numbers.
    Choosing the right numbers is easy

    Choosing them before the draw seems somewhat more difficult...
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,030

    Troubled UK statistics agency warns of errors in its growth figures
    ONS, already working on fixing a survey, uncovers problems with two indices used to measure prices in economy

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/mar/21/troubled-uk-statistics-agency-warns-of-errors-in-its-growth-figures

    Stop press: Reeves could be the greatest Chancellor ever. Or the worst. No-one knows. Part 94 in our series, all economic statistics are rubbish.

    This ONS.

    Probably need to devote their energies to,their job rather than this.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c99v3x1m5pyo
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,874

    UK should ‘ideally’ not have ‘any’ troops in Ukraine, says Kemi Badenoch

    https://www.ft.com/content/fac609fc-f1fc-4e26-ad92-84cf23a234f4

    This intervention fitted in well with Kemi's 'show your workings' theme. She has come out strongly against 'doing things with no plan' and that includes military commitments. The implication being that Iraq wouldn't have been supported by a Kemi-led opposition. She's had a good few days.
    Up to a point. Even the Telegraph has criticised Kemi's leap to climate change culture war rather than justified scepticism about Labour's Net Zero plans.

    Kemi Badenoch’s net zero rant comes close to political tragedy
    The Tory leader is pitting herself against science to embrace culture war ideology

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/03/20/kemi-badenochs-net-zero-rant-comes-close-political-tragedy/ (£££)
    I’ll defend Badenoch here. She made very clear she did not dispute the scientific underpinnings of climate change and the need to reduce carbon emissions.

    Consensus on this topic among the major parties has made a lot of people feel rather powerless and that they are not sharing in the benefits of nor understanding the changes that they are told are coming. We are simply setting arbitrary targets but not telling our people how we are going to take that journey (beyond very vague “beyond X date you can’t buy Y.”) I don’t think there’s enough consensus in the country around how the journey is made for this to always be accepted unquestioningly, so fair play to Badenoch on that one (and I’m far from a big fan).
    A short extract from the Telegraph:-

    Kemi Badenoch has missed an open goal. The Tory leader could have launched a withering attack on the dysfunctional absolutism of Labour’s Clean Power 2030 plan.

    She could have aimed her fire at the mad “marginal” pricing system, whereby the last molecule of gas needed to keep lights on in London sets the cost of electricity in the faraway industrial hubs of Teesside or the Humber, which have abundant and cheaper wind power just offshore.

    She could have demanded to know why Britain’s energy-intensive industries are not shielded from network charges and costs in the same way as European peers, which leaves UK steelmakers paying circa £66 MWh for power, compared to £49.5 MWh in Germany – a country that has an even higher share of green power in its mix than Britain.
    ...
    She could have held Labour’s feet to the fire over its prohibitions and compulsive posturing. She could have told us how a Badenoch government would seize the economic prize of clean tech and cheap energy, doing it the free-market Tory way by means of price signals.

    Instead, she went full Farageist and declared culture war on net zero, calling it a “fantasy politics, built on nothing, promising the Earth”.
    ...
    If you are going to repudiate a core position of the Conservative Party – and smash Britain’s cross-party consensus on climate policy – you might wish to avoid claims about decarbonisation that are demonstrably untrue.

    “Anyone who has done any serious analysis knows it cannot be achieved without a significant drop in our living standards or worse, by bankrupting us,” she said.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/03/20/kemi-badenochs-net-zero-rant-comes-close-political-tragedy/ (£££)
    That would be a very effective, particularly the industrial subsidies and regional pricing. The marginal pricing model is frustrating, but also how all other markets with inelastic demand work, so difficult to avoid it without simply minimising gas consumption.

    The problem, as ever, is that Labour inherited all those mechanisms from the Conservatives, so the politics are tricky.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 603

    UK should ‘ideally’ not have ‘any’ troops in Ukraine, says Kemi Badenoch

    https://www.ft.com/content/fac609fc-f1fc-4e26-ad92-84cf23a234f4

    This intervention fitted in well with Kemi's 'show your workings' theme. She has come out strongly against 'doing things with no plan' and that includes military commitments. The implication being that Iraq wouldn't have been supported by a Kemi-led opposition. She's had a good few days.
    Does the person who has come out strongly against 'doing things with no plan' - have a plan? Or have they stated that there is no need for a plan from her as it's too soon.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,030
    MattW said:

    One that I don't think we have covered - I may have missed it. Foreign funding of political parties.

    Limitations on foreign funding of UK political parties are being considered earlier than thought likely. They were in the Starmer Manifesto. Sky News framed it as a response to Musk's meddling. The alleged proposals to do it on the basis of profits made in the UK seems timid to me.

    There are other things that could go alongside it as a theme of the next King's Speech - levellng up voter ID, votes for 16 year olds etc.

    https://news.sky.com/story/foreign-donations-to-uk-political-parties-set-to-be-restricted-amid-rumours-elon-musk-is-planning-to-give-80m-to-reform-13328570

    Not just SKY news, the MSM framed it in such terms. You wouldn’t have known it was a manifesto commitment from the reporting, you’d think it was a response to Musk.

    That really is poor journalism.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,591
    edited March 22

    DavidL said:

    A depressing but entirely unsurprising poll for the opposition parties and the Tories in particular. Where is the narrative about how we start to get out of this mess, however slowly?

    We are borrowing £100bn a year. Reeves says she will not borrow for current consumption but is finding it increasingly difficult to make the numbers work for that. Expect more tax increases (hopefully not as economically damaging as those in October) and fudging around what is "investment".

    That massive stimulus to demand is not generating growth. It is not generating growth because too much of our consumption is spent on imports. We are bleeding nearly £50bn of demand to imports a year. Obviously we need imports. But we also need to produce as much as we consume.

    So, our priorities should be increasing investment, reducing consumption, increasing production and eliminating both the fiscal and trade deficits. Is this really this hard? Obviously the devil is in the details but what is needed is a narrative that both acknowledges the mess we are in and the long, painful journey we need to undertake to get out of it. Where is the shadow Chancellor?

    Trouble is, we don't want to consume less. Many people at the bottom can't realistically consume meaningfully less, and those at the top think that they deserve to consume more.

    (The finger pointing about why we don't need to get to net zero pretty urgently is another manifestation of roughly the same psychology.)

    So we get these silly fantasies that, as long as we stop this or that bit of spending that doesn't really seem to benefit us, everything will be fine.

    It's bigger than that, and probably has been since the Lawson years.
    Consuming less is precisely the opposite of what we need to country to do. As I’ve pointed out a few times we have historically low levels of private debt and a growing savings rate.

    Businesses aren’t spending money, and nor are households. We’ve become a nation of misers, building up our own balance sheets at the expense of growth and investment. So government has ended up having to do our borrowing for us.

    We need to be encouraging everyone to spend spend spend. Eat out to help out. Do that kitchen extension. Refurbish that office. Build the new datacentre, or the solar plant. Buy that IT system.

    There are things government can do to stimulate this. Planning reform is one, but targeted incentives should be part of it too.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,603
    Scott_xP said:

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    UK should ‘ideally’ not have ‘any’ troops in Ukraine, says Kemi Badenoch

    https://www.ft.com/content/fac609fc-f1fc-4e26-ad92-84cf23a234f4

    This intervention fitted in well with Kemi's 'show your workings' theme. She has come out strongly against 'doing things with no plan' and that includes military commitments. The implication being that Iraq wouldn't have been supported by a Kemi-led opposition. She's had a good few days.
    She was happy to support Liz Truss's 'no plan' premiership.
    Truss had a plan. She believed in boosting growth, and she had a way she wanted to try and do it. A lot of us think that way was wildly disastrous in the economic conditions she found herself in, but she did in fact know what she wanted to do.
    I have a plan to be a millionaire next week. I have bought a lottery ticket.

    I seriously hope you are not trying to queue jump @Foxy. We have been waiting for that million pounds for decades now and it is way past our turn.
    The key seems to be to choose the right numbers.
    Choosing the right numbers is easy

    Choosing them before the draw seems somewhat more difficult...
    Yes, that's where my plan didn't work last time.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,816

    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    UK should ‘ideally’ not have ‘any’ troops in Ukraine, says Kemi Badenoch

    https://www.ft.com/content/fac609fc-f1fc-4e26-ad92-84cf23a234f4

    This intervention fitted in well with Kemi's 'show your workings' theme. She has come out strongly against 'doing things with no plan' and that includes military commitments. The implication being that Iraq wouldn't have been supported by a Kemi-led opposition. She's had a good few days.
    She was happy to support Liz Truss's 'no plan' premiership.
    Truss had a plan. She believed in boosting growth, and she had a way she wanted to try and do it. A lot of us think that way was wildly disastrous in the economic conditions she found herself in, but she did in fact know what she wanted to do.
    I have a plan to be a millionaire next week. I have bought a lottery ticket.

    I seriously hope you are not trying to queue jump @Foxy. We have been waiting for that million pounds for decades now and it is way past our turn.
    Typical lawyer. A game that requires no skill whatsoever and he still can't win.

    It is a good day to buy a lottery ticket and hope no-one picks all six numbers. It is a "must be won" day so we can hope for £100 for three numbers if it all rolls down.
    My wife has a cunning strategy of using her lucky dips on just such occasions. It has worked to the extent of a few hundred but that has been the extent of it.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,994
    edited March 22
    Taz said:

    Local election leaflets. I’ve had two in a seat I expect to return one Indy and one Reform.

    Labour full of what the current coalition running Durham is doing wrong and how they would be much better while forgetting they have a poor record of their time in office and did not do a great job. All rather bland.

    One from reform who only seem to be putting up one candidate. All stop the boats, net zero, cut my tax, and little as to,what they’d do for Durham. Which is what I care about.

    Not a great start really. Also sounds like they are both out campaigning too.

    I've had a whole series from the Ashfield Independents, and I think only one from Reform. I think all our County seats are single candidate.

    AIs are playing up Reform type themes, and inserting some outright fabrications afaics - such as allegations about rolling Ashfield up with Nottingham City into a unitary, and bring in a Low Emission Zone. Nottingham, never mind Notts, is one of the places with afaik no prospect of that as they have been working on building public transport and similar initiatives since the 1990s.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,970
    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    Taz said:

    What the reality of the so-called cuts to PIP really means. An increase of 26.67% over the life of this Parliament not an increase of a third.

    The govt have done the right thing trying to put a brake on this. They need to go further. Scrap the triple lock and radically scale back motability.

    https://x.com/johnrentoul/status/1903144427855487066?s=61

    How does a private motor finance company impact the public finances?

    Serious question. That has the feel of some vindictive people objecting to disabled people being able to use their Personal Independence Payment to make their lives easier.

    Is there a case to support such a move?

    Perhaps we need to start with not locking disabled people out of the best local parks.
    It’s not really a serious question given the framing.

    One in five new cars are motability and they go to people for all sorts of reasons. The scheme is expanding rapidly and needs to be looked at. For example the cars available on it and the reasons people can claim for one.

    This is, ultimately, taxpayers money going to fund these cars. There should be some accountability.
    They hand them out like sweeties at a childrens party. LBC the other day said your child wetting the bed was reason to get one.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,570
    Taz said:


    I’ve not seen it, unlikely to as I’m not really the target audience, but even The Guardian really doesn’t like the Disney Snow White.

    A controversial movie which launched to little fanfare.

    I did notice in sainsburys yesterday there was a Snow White tie in with some cleaning products. Not well promoted though.

    If it can't clean up at the box office, why trust it in the kitchen ?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,603
    TimS said:

    DavidL said:

    A depressing but entirely unsurprising poll for the opposition parties and the Tories in particular. Where is the narrative about how we start to get out of this mess, however slowly?

    We are borrowing £100bn a year. Reeves says she will not borrow for current consumption but is finding it increasingly difficult to make the numbers work for that. Expect more tax increases (hopefully not as economically damaging as those in October) and fudging around what is "investment".

    That massive stimulus to demand is not generating growth. It is not generating growth because too much of our consumption is spent on imports. We are bleeding nearly £50bn of demand to imports a year. Obviously we need imports. But we also need to produce as much as we consume.

    So, our priorities should be increasing investment, reducing consumption, increasing production and eliminating both the fiscal and trade deficits. Is this really this hard? Obviously the devil is in the details but what is needed is a narrative that both acknowledges the mess we are in and the long, painful journey we need to undertake to get out of it. Where is the shadow Chancellor?

    Trouble is, we don't want to consume less. Many people at the bottom can't realistically consume meaningfully less, and those at the top think that they deserve to consume more.

    (The finger pointing about why we don't need to get to net zero pretty urgently is another manifestation of roughly the same psychology.)

    So we get these silly fantasies that, as long as we stop this or that bit of spending that doesn't really seem to benefit us, everything will be fine.

    It's bigger than that, and probably has been since the Lawson years.
    Consuming less is precisely the opposite of what we need to country to do. As I’ve pointed out a few times we have historically low levels of private debt and a growing savings rate.

    Businesses aren’t spending money, and not are households. We’ve become a nation of misers, building up our own balance sheets at the expense of growth and investment. So government has ended up having to do our borrowing for us.

    We need to be encouraging everyone to spend spend spend. Eat out to help out. Do that kitchen extension. Refurbish that office. Build the new datacentre, or the solar plant. Buy that IT system.

    There are things government can do to stimulate this. Planning reform is one, but targeted incentives should be part of it too.
    Yes, but it needs to be consumption that stimulates our economy, rather than just sucks in imports or spent on foreign holidays.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,330
    Battlebus said:

    UK should ‘ideally’ not have ‘any’ troops in Ukraine, says Kemi Badenoch

    https://www.ft.com/content/fac609fc-f1fc-4e26-ad92-84cf23a234f4

    This intervention fitted in well with Kemi's 'show your workings' theme. She has come out strongly against 'doing things with no plan' and that includes military commitments. The implication being that Iraq wouldn't have been supported by a Kemi-led opposition. She's had a good few days.
    Does the person who has come out strongly against 'doing things with no plan' - have a plan? Or have they stated that there is no need for a plan from her as it's too soon.
    The latter. I was extremely against this, but if she can keep up the recent tempo and tone (giving a strong indication of where things have gone wrong and the required direction of travel, but announcing a policy review) on the various important issues, it will be OK.

    Don't forget that Kemi's Tories will probably be the policy backbone of the next Government, even if they don't get most seats.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,918
    MattW said:

    Taz said:

    Local election leaflets. I’ve had two in a seat I expect to return one Indy and one Reform.

    Labour full of what the current coalition running Durham is doing wrong and how they would be much better while forgetting they have a poor record of their time in office and did not do a great job. All rather bland.

    One from reform who only seem to be putting up one candidate. All stop the boats, net zero, cut my tax, and little as to,what they’d do for Durham. Which is what I care about.

    Not a great start really. Also sounds like they are both out campaigning too.

    I've had a whole series from the Ashfield Independents, and I think only one from Reform. I think all our County seats are single candidate.

    AIs are playing up Reform type themes, and inserting some outright fabrications afaics - such as allegations about rolling Ashfield up with Nottingham City into a unitary, and bring in a Low Emission Zone. Nottingham, never mind Notts, is one of the places with afaik no prospect of that as they have been working on building public transport and similar initiatives since the 1990s.
    I don't think there is a plan to merge Ashfield with Nottingham City is there? Plans I have seen online seem to be about Nick P's and Ken Clarke's old stomping patches.
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