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  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,294
    ohnotnow said:

    Just because this weekend I've both watched various VC-funded 'AI' labs responses to the new administrations request for input to their policies, and also I started re-watching 'Edge of Darkness'. The glorious nuclear future scene keeps coming to mind :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAI959G9AjA

    " Willie Nelson - Time of the Preacher (Live From Austin City Limits, 1976) "

    Much used in the brilliant "Edge of Darkness" TV serial of the early 1980s.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,211

    NEW THREAD

  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,165
    Scott_xP said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "CNN Poll: Democratic Party’s favorability drops to a record low"

    https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/16/politics/cnn-poll-democrats/index.html

    They are polling badly because they are currently enabling Trusk

    If they started fighting back their numbers would go up
    They are actually polling just ahead of Republicans in generic national congressional polling. Which isn't great, but it's not worse than where they've generally been in recent years.

    eg from a few days ago:

    In a generic ballot match-up ahead of the 2026 midterms, Democrats hold a 2-point advantage, 42 percent to 40 percent.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2025/03/11/poll-democrats-jobs-economy-00222988
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,361
    TimS said:

    ‘Unite the Right’ plot to oust Kemi Badenoch
    A group of former officials are reportedly planning to launch campaign in coming weeks to stem Tory losses in local elections

    Former Tory and Reform aides are discussing a “Unite the Right” plot to oust Kemi Badenoch and limit Conservative losses in the local elections.

    A group of former officials with “significant” backing from donors are planning to launch a campaign in the next few weeks, according to reports.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/03/16/unite-the-right-plot-to-oust-kemi-badenoch/ (£££)

    Oh FFS. They really can’t help themselves.

    This is the corollary of the Tory sense of entitlement to power. Panic if you’re not in power for, what, less than a year?

    People will just laugh and shrug.
    These are not actually people *in* the Tory party


  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,778

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:


    Bill Kristol
    @BillKristol
    ·
    20m
    🚨🚨🚨
    So we're hitting a crisis point, with the apparent evasion of court orders on deportations and immigration, plus shutting down agencies, canceling grants, and firing civil servants contrary to law. And claims from DOJ that Article II of the Constitution enables autocracy.

    https://x.com/BillKristol/status/1901388655408890179

    Trump has done some mad stupid shit these last weeks, but deporting violent Venezuelan gangsters to El Salvador is not one of them. It’s also bound to be popular. Are the Dems really gonna fight on THIS hill?
    Putting aside who was being deported are you comfortable with governments ignoring the courts ? This time you agree with the decision because of who’s being deported . It doesn’t matter if the decision is popular or not . Next time it might be a decision you disagree with , what if Labour just ignored the courts here . Would you be okay with that ?
    I’m not arguing the rights and wrongs, I’m just saying so much mad stuff is coming out of the White House the democrats need to pick and choose their fights, and this seems a really unwise choice. They might even boost Trump’s popularity

    When marvelling at the horrors coming out of the Trump admin (and there are many) it’s important to remember that the American Left is deeply stupid, mendacious, greedy, narcissistic and hypocritical
    It isn't important to remember that. It's a distraction from the point at issue.
    Well, it kind of is because it's how we got here. Imagine Trump against Obama, or Bill Clinton (though come to think of it, beyond that, most of the Dem candidates of my lifetime have been rubbish).
    It's an exercise in deflection. This horror is not one iota the responsibility of those who warned against it and fought for it not to happen.
    Yes it is, a bit. Because if they'd put forward a decent candidate and/or tempered their own weirdness a bit and/or compromised with the American electorate, this wouldn't have happened. Trump is a direct consequence of Dem pigheadedness.
    They did put forward a decent candidate but lost as incumbents everywhere were doing, mainly due to inflation. They bear zero responsibility for Trump. They fought a centre ground campaign (aka "compromising with the electorate") and bust a gut to stop him. This "oh but the Dems" thing is the purest hogwash. It's intellectually and morally sloppy.
    Nah that's rubbish. We were all saying well before the election that if they didn't dump Biden they would lose. And then they managed to destroy any chance Harris might ever have had by messing up the handover.

    Their choice of candidate was poor but survivable. The way they eventually got round to having her as the candidate handed the election to Trump.
    I don't get this argument at all. First, every Republican grandee knew exactly what Trump was about after Jan 6th, so they've directly enabled this by not locking him up when they had the chance. Second, do not confuse lack of political engagement with bring incredibly dumb. Most people are within a narrow band of intelligence, and almost all Republican voters knew exactly what Trump was about too.

    We just need to accept that in America, and very large proportion of the population do not actually give a damn about democracy or the constitution more broadly. If they did, they'd have either not voted, or voted for the former prosecutor/genial governor ticket, regardless of their politics.

    That's actually much more depressing conclusion than your one. I wish Trump could be explained by "normal" things like a poor candidate or a botched campaign.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,888
    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:


    Bill Kristol
    @BillKristol
    ·
    20m
    🚨🚨🚨
    So we're hitting a crisis point, with the apparent evasion of court orders on deportations and immigration, plus shutting down agencies, canceling grants, and firing civil servants contrary to law. And claims from DOJ that Article II of the Constitution enables autocracy.

    https://x.com/BillKristol/status/1901388655408890179

    Trump has done some mad stupid shit these last weeks, but deporting violent Venezuelan gangsters to El Salvador is not one of them. It’s also bound to be popular. Are the Dems really gonna fight on THIS hill?
    Putting aside who was being deported are you comfortable with governments ignoring the courts ? This time you agree with the decision because of who’s being deported . It doesn’t matter if the decision is popular or not . Next time it might be a decision you disagree with , what if Labour just ignored the courts here . Would you be okay with that ?
    I’m not arguing the rights and wrongs, I’m just saying so much mad stuff is coming out of the White House the democrats need to pick and choose their fights, and this seems a really unwise choice. They might even boost Trump’s popularity

    When marvelling at the horrors coming out of the Trump admin (and there are many) it’s important to remember that the American Left is deeply stupid, mendacious, greedy, narcissistic and hypocritical
    Yes: Stephen Miller and the White House staff are being smart. They are disobeying a court order on an issue where most people will side with the President.
    Yup, more than anything else, this will make the justice system look ridiculous that there are judges attempting to circumvent the deportation of 200 highly dangerous gang members.

    I agree that the principle of the executive ignoring or overriding the judiciary is dangerous, yet I can't get exercised about the why and I think if you ask average Americans they'll agree and question why there's a judge attempting to protect these gang members who aren't citizens and have been responsible for murders, rapes, assaults and many other violent crimes.
    Because if they abuse the law to deport "dangerous gang members" today, they may well abuse the law to deport non-dangerous, non-gang members who they don't like. Or abuse the law to hurt people they do not like. People who might rather be like you or me. Or even 'average Americans'.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,051
    A new one creeping into my profession at the moment: DEIB (diversity, equity, inclusion and belonging).

    Personally, I think they've missed the boat on this but it will be interesting if that creeps in elsewhere, in a similar way to how BAME fell away.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,051
    A new one creeping into my profession at the moment: DEIB (diversity, equity, inclusion and belonging).

    Personally, I think they've missed the boat on this but it will be interesting if that creeps in elsewhere, in a similar way to how BAME fell away.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,770

    Buy-to-let firms become biggest single type of business in UK
    Four times more buy-to-let firms than fast-food shops now registered at Companies House as landlords switch set-up to cut tax payments

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/2025/mar/17/buy-to-let-firms-become-biggest-single-type-of-business-in-uk-data-shows

    That's a trend since Osborne deliberately clobbered personal LLs in 2014-15.

    Bring these onto a more equivalent tax basis is an obvious reform, alongside making Council Tax properly proportional.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,361

    https://x.com/collinrugg/status/1901377247401177365

    REPORT: Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller secretly orchestrated the Venezuelan gang members' flights to El Salvador to get the criminals out of the country before an activist judge could take action.

    Brilliant.

    According to Axios, the Trump administration *ignored* the court order demanding that two planes filled with Venezuelan gang members turn around.

    The Trump administration says the flights were already over international waters, therefore the ruling didn't matter.

    "Miller 'orchestrated' the process in the West Wing in tandem with Homeland Security Secretary Kristy Noem. Few outside their teams knew what was happening," Axios reported.

    A senior White House official told Axios that the Trump admin is looking forward to winning the case at the Supreme Court.

    "This is headed to the Supreme Court. And we're going to win."

    The interesting question here is what the hell is Roberts doing?

    He’s conservative, certainly, but I don’t think he’s a nutcase ideologue. And yet he’s going to go down in history alongside the likes of Justine Taney.

    You would have thought the Supreme Court would accelerate the process (I don’t know in the US but I believe in the UK the Supreme Court can take a case from the lower benches before it has been through the process if it believes it is significant enough).

    But, genuine question, if Trump ignores a Supreme Court ruling against him what are the consequences?


  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,770

    https://x.com/collinrugg/status/1901377247401177365

    REPORT: Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller secretly orchestrated the Venezuelan gang members' flights to El Salvador to get the criminals out of the country before an activist judge could take action.

    Brilliant.

    According to Axios, the Trump administration *ignored* the court order demanding that two planes filled with Venezuelan gang members turn around.

    The Trump administration says the flights were already over international waters, therefore the ruling didn't matter.

    "Miller 'orchestrated' the process in the West Wing in tandem with Homeland Security Secretary Kristy Noem. Few outside their teams knew what was happening," Axios reported.

    A senior White House official told Axios that the Trump admin is looking forward to winning the case at the Supreme Court.

    "This is headed to the Supreme Court. And we're going to win."

    The interesting question here is what the hell is Roberts doing?

    He’s conservative, certainly, but I don’t think he’s a nutcase ideologue. And yet he’s going to go down in history alongside the likes of Justine Taney.

    You would have thought the Supreme Court would accelerate the process (I don’t know in the US but I believe in the UK the Supreme Court can take a case from the lower benches before it has been through the process if it believes it is significant enough).

    But, genuine question, if Trump ignores a Supreme Court ruling against him what are the consequences?
    Then the US Constitution is dead. But it is mainly dead already.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,361

    https://x.com/collinrugg/status/1901377247401177365

    REPORT: Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller secretly orchestrated the Venezuelan gang members' flights to El Salvador to get the criminals out of the country before an activist judge could take action.

    Brilliant.

    According to Axios, the Trump administration *ignored* the court order demanding that two planes filled with Venezuelan gang members turn around.

    The Trump administration says the flights were already over international waters, therefore the ruling didn't matter.

    "Miller 'orchestrated' the process in the West Wing in tandem with Homeland Security Secretary Kristy Noem. Few outside their teams knew what was happening," Axios reported.

    A senior White House official told Axios that the Trump admin is looking forward to winning the case at the Supreme Court.

    "This is headed to the Supreme Court. And we're going to win."

    All the reporting I've seen said they ignored the court order.

    Acted before the court order so the court order came too late is rather different.

    Which is it?

    Curious on the international waters argument. IANAL but I would have thought the federal courts would have jurisdiction over all federal flights even if in international waters?
    Of course the courts have jurisdiction

    The US has spent years arguing their laws have global applicability.

    The Trumpists are lying
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,770
    edited 8:05AM
    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:


    Bill Kristol
    @BillKristol
    ·
    20m
    🚨🚨🚨
    So we're hitting a crisis point, with the apparent evasion of court orders on deportations and immigration, plus shutting down agencies, canceling grants, and firing civil servants contrary to law. And claims from DOJ that Article II of the Constitution enables autocracy.

    https://x.com/BillKristol/status/1901388655408890179

    Trump has done some mad stupid shit these last weeks, but deporting violent Venezuelan gangsters to El Salvador is not one of them. It’s also bound to be popular. Are the Dems really gonna fight on THIS hill?
    Putting aside who was being deported are you comfortable with governments ignoring the courts ? This time you agree with the decision because of who’s being deported . It doesn’t matter if the decision is popular or not . Next time it might be a decision you disagree with , what if Labour just ignored the courts here . Would you be okay with that ?
    I’m not arguing the rights and wrongs, I’m just saying so much mad stuff is coming out of the White House the democrats need to pick and choose their fights, and this seems a really unwise choice. They might even boost Trump’s popularity

    When marvelling at the horrors coming out of the Trump admin (and there are many) it’s important to remember that the American Left is deeply stupid, mendacious, greedy, narcissistic and hypocritical
    Yes: Stephen Miller and the White House staff are being smart. They are disobeying a court order on an issue where most people will side with the President.
    Yup, more than anything else, this will make the justice system look ridiculous that there are judges attempting to circumvent the deportation of 200 highly dangerous gang members.

    I agree that the principle of the executive ignoring or overriding the judiciary is dangerous, yet I can't get exercised about the why and I think if you ask average Americans they'll agree and question why there's a judge attempting to protect these gang members who aren't citizens and have been responsible for murders, rapes, assaults and many other violent crimes.
    "Gang members" is I think just what Trump is calling them to distract from his abuse of the Presidency.

    Without testing in Court we cannot know, which is why he's doing it this way. It's exactly the same process as Musk closing down organisations at a couple of days notice, which require in law to be closed down in Congress.

    A blatant example was the removal of Inspectors General - internal regulators introduced in Departments after Nixon misused Government data to target opponents, to protect the public.

    He just expelled them out without telling Congress, when the law requires Congress to be given 30 days notice, with identified cause.

    It is just the latest step to destroy the rule of law.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,361
    nico67 said:

    It’s pretty clear now that the biggest danger to democracy is not the so called left wokists on steroids but right wingers who support Trump ,who only want free speech which they agree with and happily ignore the trashing of the courts which might make decisions they disagree with . You’d think Musk saying judges should be impeached because basically they’re simply following the law would set alarm bells ringing .

    Trying to define this as left vs right is profoundly unhelpful

    It’s democrats* vs non democrats

    (* small D)
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,838

    nico67 said:

    It’s pretty clear now that the biggest danger to democracy is not the so called left wokists on steroids but right wingers who support Trump ,who only want free speech which they agree with and happily ignore the trashing of the courts which might make decisions they disagree with . You’d think Musk saying judges should be impeached because basically they’re simply following the law would set alarm bells ringing .

    Trying to define this as left vs right is profoundly unhelpful

    It’s democrats* vs non democrats

    (* small D)
    Fair enough . That’s a good point .
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,361
    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:


    Bill Kristol
    @BillKristol
    ·
    20m
    🚨🚨🚨
    So we're hitting a crisis point, with the apparent evasion of court orders on deportations and immigration, plus shutting down agencies, canceling grants, and firing civil servants contrary to law. And claims from DOJ that Article II of the Constitution enables autocracy.

    https://x.com/BillKristol/status/1901388655408890179

    Trump has done some mad stupid shit these last weeks, but deporting violent Venezuelan gangsters to El Salvador is not one of them. It’s also bound to be popular. Are the Dems really gonna fight on THIS hill?
    Putting aside who was being deported are you comfortable with governments ignoring the courts ? This time you agree with the decision because of who’s being deported . It doesn’t matter if the decision is popular or not . Next time it might be a decision you disagree with , what if Labour just ignored the courts here . Would you be okay with that ?
    I’m not arguing the rights and wrongs, I’m just saying so much mad stuff is coming out of the White House the democrats need to pick and choose their fights, and this seems a really unwise choice. They might even boost Trump’s popularity

    When marvelling at the horrors coming out of the Trump admin (and there are many) it’s important to remember that the American Left is deeply stupid, mendacious, greedy, narcissistic and hypocritical
    It isn't important to remember that. It's a distraction from the point at issue.
    Well, it kind of is because it's how we got here. Imagine Trump against Obama, or Bill Clinton (though come to think of it, beyond that, most of the Dem candidates of my lifetime have been rubbish).
    It's an exercise in deflection. This horror is not one iota the responsibility of those who warned against it and fought for it not to happen.
    Yes it is, a bit. Because if they'd put forward a decent candidate and/or tempered their own weirdness a bit and/or compromised with the American electorate, this wouldn't have happened. Trump is a direct consequence of Dem pigheadedness.
    They did put forward a decent candidate but lost as incumbents everywhere were doing, mainly due to inflation. They bear zero
    responsibility for Trump. They fought a centre ground campaign (aka "compromising with the electorate") and bust a gut to stop him. This "oh but the Dems" thing is the purest hogwash. It's intellectually and morally sloppy.
    Harris was a terrible candidate. As anyone in California could - and did - warn the Democrats
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,361

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:


    Bill Kristol
    @BillKristol
    ·
    20m
    🚨🚨🚨
    So we're hitting a crisis point, with the apparent evasion of court orders on deportations and immigration, plus shutting down agencies, canceling grants, and firing civil servants contrary to law. And claims from DOJ that Article II of the Constitution enables autocracy.

    https://x.com/BillKristol/status/1901388655408890179

    Trump has done some mad stupid shit these last weeks, but deporting violent Venezuelan gangsters to El Salvador is not one of them. It’s also bound to be popular. Are the Dems really gonna fight on THIS hill?
    Putting aside who was being deported are you comfortable with governments ignoring the courts ? This time you agree with the decision because of who’s being deported . It doesn’t matter if the decision is popular or not . Next time it might be a decision you disagree with , what if Labour just ignored the courts here . Would you be okay with that ?
    I’m not arguing the rights and wrongs, I’m just saying so much mad stuff is coming out of the White House the democrats need to pick and choose their fights, and this seems a really unwise choice. They might even boost Trump’s popularity

    When marvelling at the horrors coming out of the Trump admin (and there are many) it’s important to remember that the American Left is deeply stupid, mendacious, greedy, narcissistic and hypocritical
    I think you miss how important this fight is. This is the President saying he can ignore both the constitution and all the other arms of Government because he is President. If they don't take a stand on this then nothing else really matters.
    They say they want to take it to the Supreme Court. How is that ignoring the constitution?
    They refused to obey a legal order from a federal court.
    Did they?

    The flight had already departed and was already in international waters.

    A legal order saying "do not depart" is one thing, while still on the ground, a legal order
    saying "turn around" is something completely different.

    Does the Judge have jurisdiction over a plane in international waters? If not, its not a legal order.
    Yes they do. They are federal officers conducting official US government business.

    This is a clear case of the Trump administration defying the courts
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,486
    vik said:

    nico67 said:

    The rule of law officially ended today in the USA as the Trump administration ignored a court order .

    Whatever you think of who was deported when governments ignore the courts you no longer can be called a functioning democracy .

    The United States is providing a real-life demonstration of the superiority of Parliamentary systems of government.

    If a UK Prime Minister tried to defy the courts then they would be dismissed by the Monarch.

    The problem with Presidential systems is that there is no way to remove a President who goes rogue, but continues to have the support of their Party.

    Parliamentary systems at least ensure that the Head of State is a non-political person who is a lot less likely to go rogue.
    A UK PM with the backing of a majority of the Commons could do *anything* that their majority enabled.

    Primary legislation could be used to shutdown any legal issue.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,329
    edited 9:04AM

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:


    Bill Kristol
    @BillKristol
    ·
    20m
    🚨🚨🚨
    So we're hitting a crisis point, with the apparent evasion of court orders on deportations and immigration, plus shutting down agencies, canceling grants, and firing civil servants contrary to law. And claims from DOJ that Article II of the Constitution enables autocracy.

    https://x.com/BillKristol/status/1901388655408890179

    Trump has done some mad stupid shit these last weeks, but deporting violent Venezuelan gangsters to El Salvador is not one of them. It’s also bound to be popular. Are the Dems really gonna fight on THIS hill?
    Putting aside who was being deported are you comfortable with governments ignoring the courts ? This time you agree with the decision because of who’s being deported . It doesn’t matter if the decision is popular or not . Next time it might be a decision you disagree with , what if Labour just ignored the courts here . Would you be okay with that ?
    I’m not arguing the rights and wrongs, I’m just saying so much mad stuff is coming out of the White House the democrats need to pick and choose their fights, and this seems a really unwise choice. They might even boost Trump’s popularity

    When marvelling at the horrors coming out of the Trump admin (and there are many) it’s important to remember that the American Left is deeply stupid, mendacious, greedy, narcissistic and hypocritical
    It isn't important to remember that. It's a distraction from the point at issue.
    Well, it kind of is because it's how we got here. Imagine Trump against Obama, or Bill Clinton (though come to think of it, beyond that, most of the Dem candidates of my lifetime have been rubbish).
    It's an exercise in deflection. This horror is not one iota the responsibility of those who warned against it and fought for it not to happen.
    Yes it is, a bit. Because if they'd put forward a decent candidate and/or tempered their own weirdness a bit and/or compromised with the American electorate, this wouldn't have happened. Trump is a direct consequence of Dem pigheadedness.
    They did put forward a decent candidate but lost as incumbents everywhere were doing, mainly due to inflation. They bear zero
    responsibility for Trump. They fought a centre ground campaign (aka "compromising with the electorate") and bust a gut to stop him. This "oh but the Dems" thing is the purest hogwash. It's intellectually and morally sloppy.
    Harris was a terrible candidate. As anyone in California could - and did - warn the Democrats
    She was not "terrible." She played a weak hand pretty well.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,486

    https://x.com/collinrugg/status/1901377247401177365

    REPORT: Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller secretly orchestrated the Venezuelan gang members' flights to El Salvador to get the criminals out of the country before an activist judge could take action.

    Brilliant.

    According to Axios, the Trump administration *ignored* the court order demanding that two planes filled with Venezuelan gang members turn around.

    The Trump administration says the flights were already over international waters, therefore the ruling didn't matter.

    "Miller 'orchestrated' the process in the West Wing in tandem with Homeland Security Secretary Kristy Noem. Few outside their teams knew what was happening," Axios reported.

    A senior White House official told Axios that the Trump admin is looking forward to winning the case at the Supreme Court.

    "This is headed to the Supreme Court. And we're going to win."

    All the reporting I've seen said they ignored the court order.

    Acted before the court order so the court order came too late is rather different.

    Which is it?

    Curious on the international waters argument. IANAL but I would have thought the federal courts would have jurisdiction over all federal flights even if in international waters?
    Of course the courts have jurisdiction

    The US has spent years arguing their laws have global applicability.

    The Trumpists are lying
    More specifically, the actions of federal agents anywhere on the planet are subject to federal laws and federal "chain of command". Otherwise, once outside the three mile limit, ambassadors could do whatever they felt like, for example.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,486
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:


    Bill Kristol
    @BillKristol
    ·
    20m
    🚨🚨🚨
    So we're hitting a crisis point, with the apparent evasion of court orders on deportations and immigration, plus shutting down agencies, canceling grants, and firing civil servants contrary to law. And claims from DOJ that Article II of the Constitution enables autocracy.

    https://x.com/BillKristol/status/1901388655408890179

    Trump has done some mad stupid shit these last weeks, but deporting violent Venezuelan gangsters to El Salvador is not one of them. It’s also bound to be popular. Are the Dems really gonna fight on THIS hill?
    Putting aside who was being deported are you comfortable with governments ignoring the courts ? This time you agree with the decision because of who’s being deported . It doesn’t matter if the decision is popular or not . Next time it might be a decision you disagree with , what if Labour just ignored the courts here . Would you be okay with that ?
    I’m not arguing the rights and wrongs, I’m just saying so much mad stuff is coming out of the White House the democrats need to pick and choose their fights, and this seems a really unwise choice. They might even boost Trump’s popularity

    When marvelling at the horrors coming out of the Trump admin (and there are many) it’s important to remember that the American Left is deeply stupid, mendacious, greedy, narcissistic and hypocritical
    It isn't important to remember that. It's a distraction from the point at issue.
    Well, it kind of is because it's how we got here. Imagine Trump against Obama, or Bill Clinton (though come to think of it, beyond that, most of the Dem candidates of my lifetime have been rubbish).
    It's an exercise in deflection. This horror is not one iota the responsibility of those who warned against it and fought for it not to happen.
    Yes it is, a bit. Because if they'd put forward a decent candidate and/or tempered their own weirdness a bit and/or compromised with the American electorate, this wouldn't have happened. Trump is a direct consequence of Dem pigheadedness.
    They did put forward a decent candidate but lost as incumbents everywhere were doing, mainly due to inflation. They bear zero
    responsibility for Trump. They fought a centre ground campaign (aka "compromising with the electorate") and bust a gut to stop him. This "oh but the Dems" thing is the purest hogwash. It's intellectually and morally sloppy.
    Harris was a terrible candidate. As anyone in California could - and did - warn the Democrats
    She was not "terrible." She played a weak hand pretty well.
    She was the loser of the previous Primary process. And got the VP slot because she was not considered a threat by Biden.

    She is simply a B- candidate at national level politics, in the US.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,909
    MattW said:

    https://x.com/collinrugg/status/1901377247401177365

    REPORT: Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller secretly orchestrated the Venezuelan gang members' flights to El Salvador to get the criminals out of the country before an activist judge could take action.

    Brilliant.

    According to Axios, the Trump administration *ignored* the court order demanding that two planes filled with Venezuelan gang members turn around.

    The Trump administration says the flights were already over international waters, therefore the ruling didn't matter.

    "Miller 'orchestrated' the process in the West Wing in tandem with Homeland Security Secretary Kristy Noem. Few outside their teams knew what was happening," Axios reported.

    A senior White House official told Axios that the Trump admin is looking forward to winning the case at the Supreme Court.

    "This is headed to the Supreme Court. And we're going to win."

    The interesting question here is what the hell is Roberts doing?

    He’s conservative, certainly, but I don’t think he’s a nutcase ideologue. And yet he’s going to go down in history alongside the likes of Justine Taney.

    You would have thought the Supreme Court would accelerate the process (I don’t know in the US but I believe in the UK the Supreme Court can take a case from the lower benches before it has been through the process if it believes it is significant enough).

    But, genuine question, if Trump ignores a Supreme Court ruling against him what are the consequences?
    Then the US Constitution is dead. But it is mainly dead already.
    Morning, PB.

    To be honest, I'm not sure that the British constutution would be able to survive some like Thiell, either.

    A real-life bond villain billionaire mastermind, who's managed to place himself at the centre of the world's richest man, less intelligent than him, the world's governing idiot, again the same issue, and the idiot's successor.

    And all the while his ideologies of extreme, undemocratic ultra-capitalism, excused, incubated and even celebrated on the more mainstream, neiliberal right, for years without end. It's also the culmination of extreme neoliberalism, and what it has allowed to happen wifh monopoly capitalism.
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    So we're hitting a crisis point, with the apparent evasion of court orders on deportations and immigration, plus shutting down agencies, canceling grants, and firing civil servants contrary to law. And claims from DOJ that Article II of the Constitution enables autocracy.

    https://x.com/BillKristol/status/1901388655408890179

    Trump has done some mad stupid shit these last weeks, but deporting violent Venezuelan gangsters to El Salvador is not one of them. It’s also bound to be popular. Are the Dems really gonna fight on THIS hill?
    Putting aside who was being deported are you comfortable with governments ignoring the courts ? This time you agree with the decision because of who’s being deported . It doesn’t matter if the decision is popular or not . Next time it might be a decision you disagree with , what if Labour just ignored the courts here . Would you be okay with that ?
    I’m not arguing the rights and wrongs, I’m just saying so much mad stuff is coming out of the White House the democrats need to pick and choose their fights, and this seems a really unwise choice. They might even boost Trump’s popularity

    When marvelling at the horrors coming out of the Trump admin (and there are many) it’s important to remember that the American Left is deeply stupid, mendacious, greedy, narcissistic and hypocritical
    It isn't important to remember that. It's a distraction from the point at issue.
    Well, it kind of is because it's how we got here. Imagine Trump against Obama, or Bill Clinton (though come to think of it, beyond that, most of the Dem candidates of my lifetime have been rubbish).
    It's an exercise in deflection. This horror is not one iota the responsibility of those who warned against it and fought for it not to happen.
    Yes it is, a bit. Because if they'd put forward a decent candidate and/or tempered their own weirdness a bit and/or compromised with the American electorate, this wouldn't have happened. Trump is a direct consequence of Dem pigheadedness.
    They did put forward a decent candidate but lost as incumbents everywhere were doing, mainly due to inflation. They bear zero
    responsibility for Trump. They fought a centre ground campaign (aka "compromising with the electorate") and bust a gut to stop him. This "oh but the Dems" thing is the purest hogwash. It's intellectually and morally sloppy.
    Harris was a terrible candidate. As anyone in California could - and did - warn the Democrats
    She was not "terrible." She played a weak hand pretty well.
    She was the loser of the previous Primary process. And got the VP slot because she was not considered a threat by Biden.

    She is simply a B- candidate at national level politics, in the US.
    B minus? I'd rate her a little higher but fine. That (unlike "terrible") is in the overton window of reasonableness.
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