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SystemSystem Posts: 12,357
edited March 10 in General
Trump Overreach? – politicalbetting.com

We are only seven weeks into Donald Trump’s second term of office. It is difficult to grasp that small handful of a figure given the torrent of executive orders, firings, reorganizations, torn international treaties and social media mayhem. For those with the stomach to try and follow the day-to-day progress of Trump 2.0, it is head spinning and nauseating work.

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  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,558
    edited March 10
    1st, like a sensible person in the queue to sell their Tesla.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,644
    2nd, and far distant like Arsenal
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,078
    The unfolding horror every day can be eased by looking at the Tesla stock price...

    Meanwhile, Republicans are not going to rediscover their voice. They are terrified that is they speak up, J6 fans are going to assault them
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,424
    Scott_xP said:

    The unfolding horror every day can be eased by looking at the Tesla stock price...

    Meanwhile, Republicans are not going to rediscover their voice. They are terrified that is they speak up, J6 fans are going to assault them

    Down 8% today, but still above where it was before the election.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,862
    Afternoon all.

    Why all the Twitter outages today, that Musk has said nothing on ? Is some intelligence agency or other testing their ability to shut it ?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,737
    Trump 1 took nearly half his Presidency to really get going. He's learned from this and is moving as fast as he can this time out. The pace is genuinely breath taking. That FDR was such a slob in his first 100 days, what did he do in his afternoons?

    Love the John McCain quote by the way.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,420
    TimS said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The unfolding horror every day can be eased by looking at the Tesla stock price...

    Meanwhile, Republicans are not going to rediscover their voice. They are terrified that is they speak up, J6 fans are going to assault them

    Down 8% today, but still above where it was before the election.
    Is it? Looks to me to be right back where it was. Question is, how much further will it fall?
  • eekeek Posts: 29,394
    Scott_xP said:

    The unfolding horror every day can be eased by looking at the Tesla stock price...

    Meanwhile, Republicans are not going to rediscover their voice. They are terrified that is they speak up, J6 fans are going to assault them

    It’s not that J6 fans will assault them - the fear is that unless you keep quiet Elon Musk is going to send $x0m to make 100% sure you are not the Republican candidate in 2026.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,078

    Afternoon all.

    Why all the Twitter outages today, that Musk has said nothing on ? Is some intelligence agency or other testing their ability to shut it ?

    This guy should run all the US government...

    It has been suggested that SpaceX should take over maintenance of Air Force One
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,644
    Thanks for the article. May I with apologies repost something relevant to this, a betting post of sorts, but there won't be a market:


    What are the probabilities/possibilities in the medium term term for USA post 20 January 2025. Here are five:

    1 Trump over time remains weird but normalises.

    2 Slow boiling frog: carry on as if this is a normal regime but weird, gradually tightening the screw but, eg, don't invade Canada. NATO debilitated but not abolished. Free and fair elections continue.

    3 Quicker boiling frog: we end up where it appears rational to MAGA to literally invade Canada. NATO stuffed. Elections rigged.

    4 Proper Trumpist coup: we wake up one day and find MSNBC, NYT, WSJ are closed, internet is down and Jon Stewart is in prison, elections cancelled, army on the street

    5 Proper counter coup: We wake up one day and find airports closed, media outlets occupied, Trump and Musk etc arrested and army on the street.

    Of these 5, assuming they cover the terrain, I would put the % at about 5% 35% 25% 20% 15%. Thoughts?
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,424
    algarkirk said:

    Thanks for the article. May I with apologies repost something relevant to this, a betting post of sorts, but there won't be a market:


    What are the probabilities/possibilities in the medium term term for USA post 20 January 2025. Here are five:

    1 Trump over time remains weird but normalises.

    2 Slow boiling frog: carry on as if this is a normal regime but weird, gradually tightening the screw but, eg, don't invade Canada. NATO debilitated but not abolished. Free and fair elections continue.

    3 Quicker boiling frog: we end up where it appears rational to MAGA to literally invade Canada. NATO stuffed. Elections rigged.

    4 Proper Trumpist coup: we wake up one day and find MSNBC, NYT, WSJ are closed, internet is down and Jon Stewart is in prison, elections cancelled, army on the street

    5 Proper counter coup: We wake up one day and find airports closed, media outlets occupied, Trump and Musk etc arrested and army on the street.

    Of these 5, assuming they cover the terrain, I would put the % at about 5% 35% 25% 20% 15%. Thoughts?

    2.5 I think. Mid-speed frog simmer.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,204
    edited March 10
    If you are a white straight male who works in the private sector and lives in the Midwest and South or Pennsylvania and who voted for Trump last November is there much that he is doing you don't support? You might work in manufacturing or used to work in industry or be a farmer and if you don't buy many non US goods and your business or employer doesn't export much abroad you would probably welcome his tariffs as increasing demand for the goods and products you produce and increasing rustbelt jobs.

    You are probably anti immigration and approve of his deportations (but welcome his offer of visas to South African white farmers), are anti woke and distrust DC so like Musk's slashing of the Federal government and Trump's ending EDI and also likely couldn't give a toss about Ukraine which in your view is just one white European nation fighting another white European nation and the US could spend money at home rather than send more to Zelensky. You may also be a white evangelical Christian and pro Israel so would be happy if Trump's resorts took over Gaza and replaced Hamas.

    Where it might impact is independents, especially if cost of living rises with the tariffs. The management of midterm elections is the responsibility of Congress not the President
  • RightChuckRightChuck Posts: 111
    Good header - I think Trump had peaked when Trudeau stood up and denounced the stupidity of his tariffs and responded to them in kind. Trump's whole blusterous BS is based on the expectation that nobody he picks on can stand up to him. He's been shown publicly to be wrong about that, and to be smaller than he pretends. What with that and the price of eggs he's obviously not who he was claiming to be. Even low-info voters will notice (I hope). Which will be useful if they actually get the chance to vote.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,256
    algarkirk said:

    Thanks for the article. May I with apologies repost something relevant to this, a betting post of sorts, but there won't be a market:


    What are the probabilities/possibilities in the medium term term for USA post 20 January 2025. Here are five:

    1 Trump over time remains weird but normalises.

    2 Slow boiling frog: carry on as if this is a normal regime but weird, gradually tightening the screw but, eg, don't invade Canada. NATO debilitated but not abolished. Free and fair elections continue.

    3 Quicker boiling frog: we end up where it appears rational to MAGA to literally invade Canada. NATO stuffed. Elections rigged.

    4 Proper Trumpist coup: we wake up one day and find MSNBC, NYT, WSJ are closed, internet is down and Jon Stewart is in prison, elections cancelled, army on the street

    5 Proper counter coup: We wake up one day and find airports closed, media outlets occupied, Trump and Musk etc arrested and army on the street.

    Of these 5, assuming they cover the terrain, I would put the % at about 5% 35% 25% 20% 15%. Thoughts?

    I'd say maybe 10% 30% 30% 20% 10%.
  • Perhaps Elon should get better routing.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,078
    HYUFD said:

    If you are a white straight male who works in the private sector and lives in the Midwest and South or Pennsylvania and who voted for Trump last November is there much that he is doing you don't support?

    He is raising the prices of everything you buy

    Might take some time for that to become too big to ignore
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,150
    As others have said, most GOP voters won't care. There was an article on CNN the other day with three Trump voters who have been sacked from their federal government jobs. Two of them said they still didn't regret voting for him.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,123
    algarkirk said:

    Thanks for the article. May I with apologies repost something relevant to this, a betting post of sorts, but there won't be a market:


    What are the probabilities/possibilities in the medium term term for USA post 20 January 2025. Here are five:

    1 Trump over time remains weird but normalises.

    2 Slow boiling frog: carry on as if this is a normal regime but weird, gradually tightening the screw but, eg, don't invade Canada. NATO debilitated but not abolished. Free and fair elections continue.

    3 Quicker boiling frog: we end up where it appears rational to MAGA to literally invade Canada. NATO stuffed. Elections rigged.

    4 Proper Trumpist coup: we wake up one day and find MSNBC, NYT, WSJ are closed, internet is down and Jon Stewart is in prison, elections cancelled, army on the street

    5 Proper counter coup: We wake up one day and find airports closed, media outlets occupied, Trump and Musk etc arrested and army on the street.

    Of these 5, assuming they cover the terrain, I would put the % at about 5% 35% 25% 20% 15%. Thoughts?

    In the Trumpist coup scenario, the person most likely to find himself in jail isn't Jon Stewart but Elon Musk. He's the perfect fall guy.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,078
    TwiX is down again
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,173

    Afternoon all.

    Why all the Twitter outages today, that Musk has said nothing on ? Is some intelligence agency or other testing their ability to shut it ?

    They seem to have been tweaking the algo again ?
    Had to block a whole series of MAGA crap, for the first time in a month.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,173
    "No doubt".

    https://thehill.com/homenews/5185617-trump-threatens-midterm-elections/
    ...Former Rep. Joe Walsh (III.), an ex-GOP member-turned-pundit, speculated Sunday that President Trump could “stop” the midterm elections scheduled for next fall, or even run for president again in 2028.
    “He tried to overthrow an American election four years ago. I have no doubt that he could try to stop the midterm elections,” Walsh said of Trump during an appearance on MSNBC.
    Speaking on “Inside with Jen Psaki,” Walsh, who was a presidential candidate in 2020, said Trump poses a threat to America’s democracy.
    “You either believe, in this moment, that he is a threat to our democracy, or you don’t,” Walsh said. “Stop there. There’s nothing else to speak about.”..
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,690
    edited March 10
    Interview with head of Eutelsat which covers OneWeb replacing Starlink in Ukraine:

    5 minutes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5VxZqamfzM
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,890
    edited March 10
    The Democrats seem to be invisible atm.
  • algarkirk said:

    Thanks for the article. May I with apologies repost something relevant to this, a betting post of sorts, but there won't be a market:


    What are the probabilities/possibilities in the medium term term for USA post 20 January 2025. Here are five:

    1 Trump over time remains weird but normalises.

    2 Slow boiling frog: carry on as if this is a normal regime but weird, gradually tightening the screw but, eg, don't invade Canada. NATO debilitated but not abolished. Free and fair elections continue.

    3 Quicker boiling frog: we end up where it appears rational to MAGA to literally invade Canada. NATO stuffed. Elections rigged.

    4 Proper Trumpist coup: we wake up one day and find MSNBC, NYT, WSJ are closed, internet is down and Jon Stewart is in prison, elections cancelled, army on the street

    5 Proper counter coup: We wake up one day and find airports closed, media outlets occupied, Trump and Musk etc arrested and army on the street.

    Of these 5, assuming they cover the terrain, I would put the % at about 5% 35% 25% 20% 15%. Thoughts?

    You'd need to include possibilities where Trump dies. Leaving aside the risk of assassination, a man of 80 (as Trump will be in June) has around a 5% chance of dying in the next twelve months. He has access to the best healthcare but also has some risk factors. His chances of dying within his term of office have to be around 20%.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,078
    Andy_JS said:

    The Democrats seem to be invisible atm.

    Evil billionaires own most of the media...
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,766
    HYUFD said:

    If you are a white straight male who works in the private sector and lives in the Midwest and South or Pennsylvania and who voted for Trump last November is there much that he is doing you don't support? You might work in manufacturing or used to work in industry or be a farmer and if you don't buy many non US goods and your business or employer doesn't export much abroad you would probably welcome his tariffs as increasing demand for the goods and products you produce and increasing rustbelt jobs.

    You are probably anti immigration and approve of his deportations (but welcome his offer of visas to South African white farmers), are anti woke and distrust DC so like Musk's slashing of the Federal government and Trump's ending EDI and also likely couldn't give a toss about Ukraine which in your view is just one white European nation fighting another white European nation and the US could spend money at home rather than send more to Zelensky. You may also be a white evangelical Christian and pro Israel so would be happy if Trump's resorts took over Gaza and replaced Hamas.

    Where it might impact is independents, especially if cost of living rises with the tariffs. The management of midterm elections is the responsibility of Congress not the President

    If you are a white straight male who works in the private sector and lives in the Midwest and South or Pennsylvania and who voted for Trump last November is there much that he is doing you don't support?

    Probably not. But this assumes that person's view matters. If/when the Trumpist revolution fails the counter revolution likely will come from internal players previously aligned with Trump who decide enough's enough.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,649
    DavidL said:

    Trump 1 took nearly half his Presidency to really get going. He's learned from this and is moving as fast as he can this time out. The pace is genuinely breath taking. That FDR was such a slob in his first 100 days, what did he do in his afternoons?

    Love the John McCain quote by the way.

    Thanks.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,649
    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The unfolding horror every day can be eased by looking at the Tesla stock price...

    Meanwhile, Republicans are not going to rediscover their voice. They are terrified that is they speak up, J6 fans are going to assault them

    It’s not that J6 fans will assault them - the fear is that unless you keep quiet Elon Musk is going to send $x0m to make 100% sure you are not the Republican candidate in 2026.
    Some of these GOP cowards are not up for re-election for SIX years.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,649
    Andy_JS said:

    The Democrats seem to be invisible atm.

    Possibly following James Carville's advice to 'play dead' and let the horror unfold.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,690
    algarkirk said:

    Thanks for the article. May I with apologies repost something relevant to this, a betting post of sorts, but there won't be a market:


    What are the probabilities/possibilities in the medium term term for USA post 20 January 2025. Here are five:

    1 Trump over time remains weird but normalises.

    2 Slow boiling frog: carry on as if this is a normal regime but weird, gradually tightening the screw but, eg, don't invade Canada. NATO debilitated but not abolished. Free and fair elections continue.

    3 Quicker boiling frog: we end up where it appears rational to MAGA to literally invade Canada. NATO stuffed. Elections rigged.

    4 Proper Trumpist coup: we wake up one day and find MSNBC, NYT, WSJ are closed, internet is down and Jon Stewart is in prison, elections cancelled, army on the street

    5 Proper counter coup: We wake up one day and find airports closed, media outlets occupied, Trump and Musk etc arrested and army on the street.

    Of these 5, assuming they cover the terrain, I would put the % at about 5% 35% 25% 20% 15%. Thoughts?

    I think you have missed

    6 - Trump exits early, either by medical event eg heart attack, insider manipulation (eg Article 25), assassination, impeachment, resignation.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,998
    Scott_xP said:

    TwiX is down again

    Snicker, Snicker

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,649
    Someone in GOP has a spine.

    (And note that Bluesky is still up)


    ‪Aaron Rupar‬ ‪@atrupar.com‬
    ·
    10m
    GOP Rep. Don Bacon: "We were the leader of the free world, but it appears to many leaders and people all over, to include Republicans in Nebraska, that this administration is walking away from that legacy."

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3ljzv6ex4e62k
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,690
    TimS said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The unfolding horror every day can be eased by looking at the Tesla stock price...

    Meanwhile, Republicans are not going to rediscover their voice. They are terrified that is they speak up, J6 fans are going to assault them

    Down 8% today, but still above where it was before the election.
    It's been below 50% from peak.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,078

    Scott_xP said:

    TwiX is down again

    Snicker, Snicker

    He's never going to Mars, bar a miracle...
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,256
    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    TwiX is down again

    Snicker, Snicker

    He's never going to Mars, bar a miracle...
    But hopefully will have a bounty on his head sometime soon.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,173
    This is the guy Trump gave Rubio as one of his top officials.
    There is zero chance he wasn't aware of all this.

    Deleted tweets show top State Department official spread false rumor about Rubio’s sexuality, called him ‘low IQ’
    https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/10/politics/darren-beattie-marco-rubio-deleted-tweets-kfile/index.html
    A top acting State Department official deleted at least half a dozen tweets that ridiculed his now boss, Secretary of State Marco Rubio, including ones calling him “low IQ” and repeating a false rumor about Rubio’s sexuality.

    The deleted tweets from Darren Beattie, the acting under secretary of state for public diplomacy, were uncovered as part of a CNN review of his social media and include a mixture of insults and harsh attacks against Rubio.

    Beattie, who was fired from his role as a speechwriter during the first Trump administration after CNN’s KFile revealed he attended a conference featuring White nationalists, made a series of attacks over the years against other Republicans, including a number of offensive, homophobic and racist comments.

    Though Beattie left up several of his most inflammatory posts, he does appear to have purged criticism of Rubio from his feed. Beattie deleted tweets suggesting a deep hostility toward Rubio — particularly after the then-senator voted to certify the 2020 election results and condemned the January 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol. One deleted tweet also attacked Rubio for criticizing possible Russian actions in Ukraine.

    After being ousted from the Trump White House in 2018, Beattie launched Revolver News, a far-right media outlet that has spread conspiracies regarding the January 6 attack. The website has boosted false claims that federal agencies orchestrated aspects of the attack and that extremist groups involved were under government control.

    In a tweet that was removed for violating Twitter’s terms of service, on the day Roe v. Wade was overturned, Revolver News posted about shooting women who get abortions.

    “BREAKING: It’s now legal to shoot women having abortions in New York City with your Supreme Court-issued concealed handgun,” read the post.

    Beattie’s appointment fueled outrage, with Democrats calling for his removal over his history of racist and misogynistic tweets and posts that denied the Uyghur genocide in China — most of which are still on his public X account.

    In response to a series of questions from CNN, Beattie responded, “Secretary Rubio is 100 percent America First and it’s a tremendous honor to work for him in advancing President Trump’s world historical agenda.”..
  • eekeek Posts: 29,394

    Andy_JS said:

    The Democrats seem to be invisible atm.

    Possibly following James Carville's advice to 'play dead' and let the horror unfold.
    The thing is there are so many moving parts that I don’t think you could actually stop anything at the moment. Which is why you end up waiting for things to calm down at which point you can survey what the situation is and start working out how to deal with the aftermath
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,204
    Scott_xP said:

    HYUFD said:

    If you are a white straight male who works in the private sector and lives in the Midwest and South or Pennsylvania and who voted for Trump last November is there much that he is doing you don't support?

    He is raising the prices of everything you buy

    Might take some time for that to become too big to ignore
    Not if you buy American
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,256

    Someone in GOP has a spine.

    (And note that Bluesky is still up)


    ‪Aaron Rupar‬ ‪@atrupar.com‬
    ·
    10m
    GOP Rep. Don Bacon: "We were the leader of the free world, but it appears to many leaders and people all over, to include Republicans in Nebraska, that this administration is walking away from that legacy."

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3ljzv6ex4e62k

    This is really good to see. Hopefully others will follow his lead.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,247
    HYUFD said:

    If you are a white straight male who works in the private sector and lives in the Midwest and South or Pennsylvania and who voted for Trump last November is there much that he is doing you don't support? You might work in manufacturing or used to work in industry or be a farmer and if you don't buy many non US goods and your business or employer doesn't export much abroad you would probably welcome his tariffs as increasing demand for the goods and products you produce and increasing rustbelt jobs.

    You are probably anti immigration and approve of his deportations (but welcome his offer of visas to South African white farmers), are anti woke and distrust DC so like Musk's slashing of the Federal government and Trump's ending EDI and also likely couldn't give a toss about Ukraine which in your view is just one white European nation fighting another white European nation and the US could spend money at home rather than send more to Zelensky. You may also be a white evangelical Christian and pro Israel so would be happy if Trump's resorts took over Gaza and replaced Hamas.

    Where it might impact is independents, especially if cost of living rises with the tariffs. The management of midterm elections is the responsibility of Congress not the President

    Even straight white males might baulk at invading Canada and turning against long-standing allies. They might have friends or relatives affected by DOGE.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,078
    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    HYUFD said:

    If you are a white straight male who works in the private sector and lives in the Midwest and South or Pennsylvania and who voted for Trump last November is there much that he is doing you don't support?

    He is raising the prices of everything you buy

    Might take some time for that to become too big to ignore
    Not if you buy American
    Yes if you buy American
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,173
    edited March 10

    Andy_JS said:

    The Democrats seem to be invisible atm.

    Possibly following James Carville's advice to 'play dead' and let the horror unfold.
    That's about the shittiest advice possible.

    Midterms are all about turning out the committed supporters; energising the base. Democrats are already angry about how little pushback their representatives are offering.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,649
    eek said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The Democrats seem to be invisible atm.

    Possibly following James Carville's advice to 'play dead' and let the horror unfold.
    The thing is there are so many moving parts that I don’t think you could actually stop anything at the moment. Which is why you end up waiting for things to calm down at which point you can survey what the situation is and start working out how to deal with the aftermath
    Dems on the hill are focussed on the debt ceiling issue. They can try and shut the US government down in a few weeks or block Trump from raising the current ceiling. One option apparently is to agree to vote for the debt raise but only if Musk is removed from the non-job he holds as 'Destroyer in Chief'.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,690
    MattW said:

    algarkirk said:

    Thanks for the article. May I with apologies repost something relevant to this, a betting post of sorts, but there won't be a market:


    What are the probabilities/possibilities in the medium term term for USA post 20 January 2025. Here are five:

    1 Trump over time remains weird but normalises.

    2 Slow boiling frog: carry on as if this is a normal regime but weird, gradually tightening the screw but, eg, don't invade Canada. NATO debilitated but not abolished. Free and fair elections continue.

    3 Quicker boiling frog: we end up where it appears rational to MAGA to literally invade Canada. NATO stuffed. Elections rigged.

    4 Proper Trumpist coup: we wake up one day and find MSNBC, NYT, WSJ are closed, internet is down and Jon Stewart is in prison, elections cancelled, army on the street

    5 Proper counter coup: We wake up one day and find airports closed, media outlets occupied, Trump and Musk etc arrested and army on the street.

    Of these 5, assuming they cover the terrain, I would put the % at about 5% 35% 25% 20% 15%. Thoughts?

    I think you have missed

    6 - Trump exits early, either by medical event eg heart attack, insider manipulation (eg Article 25), assassination, impeachment, resignation.
    Hmm, is there also 7 - Trump does not exit early, but becomes seriously ill / mentally unstable, and is managed / controlled effectively by a regent, as happened to Woodrow Wilson in the the last 2+ years of his term from 1919, when he was incapacitated and his wife was gatekeeper. That could also happen by internal coup and keep the figurehead in place.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,204
    edited March 10
    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    If you are a white straight male who works in the private sector and lives in the Midwest and South or Pennsylvania and who voted for Trump last November is there much that he is doing you don't support? You might work in manufacturing or used to work in industry or be a farmer and if you don't buy many non US goods and your business or employer doesn't export much abroad you would probably welcome his tariffs as increasing demand for the goods and products you produce and increasing rustbelt jobs.

    You are probably anti immigration and approve of his deportations (but welcome his offer of visas to South African white farmers), are anti woke and distrust DC so like Musk's slashing of the Federal government and Trump's ending EDI and also likely couldn't give a toss about Ukraine which in your view is just one white European nation fighting another white European nation and the US could spend money at home rather than send more to Zelensky. You may also be a white evangelical Christian and pro Israel so would be happy if Trump's resorts took over Gaza and replaced Hamas.

    Where it might impact is independents, especially if cost of living rises with the tariffs. The management of midterm elections is the responsibility of Congress not the President

    Even straight white males might baulk at invading Canada and turning against long-standing allies. They might have friends or relatives affected by DOGE.
    Some might, others see Trudeau as a woke wuss and Carney as a WEF globalist, if you are a Trump voter you are unlikely to know anyone personally who works for the Federal government
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,078
    Nigelb said:

    This is the guy Trump gave Rubio as one of his top officials.
    There is zero chance he wasn't aware of all this.

    Deleted tweets show top State Department official spread false rumor about Rubio’s sexuality, called him ‘low IQ’
    https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/10/politics/darren-beattie-marco-rubio-deleted-tweets-kfile/index.html

    @jason_kint
    This 2016 video is just an incredible two minutes. Every second of it. It will be in the documentary.

    https://x.com/jason_kint/status/1898914327882551312
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,044

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    TwiX is down again

    Snicker, Snicker

    He's never going to Mars, bar a miracle...
    But hopefully will have a bounty on his head sometime soon.
    Not a wispa from the opposition party.

    I mean, there are good justifications for not having all lines of opposition running through a single person (including that the American system isn't meant to have all lines of government running through a single person to try and prevent... what seems to be happening). But leading the opposition is a dignified and honourable thing in a democracy. And right now, it's an obvious lack in the US setup.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,173

    eek said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The Democrats seem to be invisible atm.

    Possibly following James Carville's advice to 'play dead' and let the horror unfold.
    The thing is there are so many moving parts that I don’t think you could actually stop anything at the moment. Which is why you end up waiting for things to calm down at which point you can survey what the situation is and start working out how to deal with the aftermath
    Dems on the hill are focussed on the debt ceiling issue. They can try and shut the US government down in a few weeks or block Trump from raising the current ceiling. One option apparently is to agree to vote for the debt raise but only if Musk is removed from the non-job he holds as 'Destroyer in Chief'.
    The GOP have a majority in both Houses. It's up to them.

    The Dems should simply refuse to vote for anything which isn't a clean continuing resolution.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,757
    Scott_xP said:

    TwiX is down again

    So are the nutters.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,394
    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The Democrats seem to be invisible atm.

    Possibly following James Carville's advice to 'play dead' and let the horror unfold.
    That's about the shittiest advice possible.

    Midterms are all about turning out the committed supporters; energising the base. Democrats are already angry about how little pushback their representatives are offering.
    I’m not so sure - currently when I wake up in the UK the 7am 6Music news leads on the latest bit of Trump “stupidity”. So if uk news is drowned out by Trump the odds of a democrat complaint making the news in the US is even less likely
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,972

    Someone in GOP has a spine.

    (And note that Bluesky is still up)


    ‪Aaron Rupar‬ ‪@atrupar.com‬
    ·
    10m
    GOP Rep. Don Bacon: "We were the leader of the free world, but it appears to many leaders and people all over, to include Republicans in Nebraska, that this administration is walking away from that legacy."

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3ljzv6ex4e62k

    This is really good to see. Hopefully others will follow his lead.
    It only needs a handful of them, so tight are the numbers.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,972
    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The Democrats seem to be invisible atm.

    Possibly following James Carville's advice to 'play dead' and let the horror unfold.
    That's about the shittiest advice possible.

    Midterms are all about turning out the committed supporters; energising the base. Democrats are already angry about how little pushback their representatives are offering.
    Plenty of people turning out at town halls. Not ones the Republicns are going to want to hear from.

    The virtual town halls are getting many, many thousands.

    This fire may yet consume the Republicans without the Dems needing to do a damn thing.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,649

    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The Democrats seem to be invisible atm.

    Possibly following James Carville's advice to 'play dead' and let the horror unfold.
    That's about the shittiest advice possible.

    Midterms are all about turning out the committed supporters; energising the base. Democrats are already angry about how little pushback their representatives are offering.
    Plenty of people turning out at town halls. Not ones the Republicns are going to want to hear from.

    The virtual town halls are getting many, many thousands.

    This fire may yet consume the Republicans without the Dems needing to do a damn thing.
    Carville wasn't saying 'play dead' all the way to mid-terms. He's only talking about a few months apparently. Time to let the public totally focus on Trump/Musk and time to see what the damage is on ordinary voters e.g. eggs end up twice as expensive. Then you go all in.

    He was pretty pissed off about the stupid protests by Dem house members with their little signs during state of the union.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,757
    viewcode said:

    Scott_xP said:

    TwiX is down again

    So are the nutters.
    Nitters! Bad autocorrect! My bad, sorry!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,173
    edited March 10
    eek said:

    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The Democrats seem to be invisible atm.

    Possibly following James Carville's advice to 'play dead' and let the horror unfold.
    That's about the shittiest advice possible.

    Midterms are all about turning out the committed supporters; energising the base. Democrats are already angry about how little pushback their representatives are offering.
    I’m not so sure - currently when I wake up in the UK the 7am 6Music news leads on the latest bit of Trump “stupidity”. So if uk news is drowned out by Trump the odds of a democrat complaint making the news in the US is even less likely
    Turnout in the presidential elections is north of 60%; in the midterms it's somewhere between 40 and 50%.
    It's not about floating voters who heard something on the news. If you don't turn out your base you're dead. Democrats need to be making noise, rather than genteelly debating what tactics to adopt in a futile vote against the GOP majority in Congress.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,204
    edited March 10
    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The Democrats seem to be invisible atm.

    Possibly following James Carville's advice to 'play dead' and let the horror unfold.
    That's about the shittiest advice possible.

    Midterms are all about turning out the committed supporters; energising the base. Democrats are already angry about how little pushback their representatives are offering.
    99% of midterms are won by voters voting AGAINST the current administration in the White House NOT FOR their opponents in Congress. If the Trump administration had a 30% approval rating next November the Democrats could put up candidates who were literally dead and still win Congress. By contrast if the Trump administration's approval was 50%+ even if the Democrats provided brilliant opposition and huge noise every day in Congress and their candidates all had Harvard degrees and looked like models they would still fail to win Congress so Carville's advice is sound
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,862
    "An oil tanker whicg burst into flames after being struck by a cargo ship was "essential" for US national security' and had been loaded with 18,000 tons of jet fuel, it has emerged.Dozens of people have been rescued and brought ashore after the MV Stena Immaculate exploded into a 'massive fireball' off the Yorkshire coast today.'"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14482397/Stricken-oil-tanker-essential-US-national-security-US-flagged-vessel-supplies-military-carrying-jet-fuel-hit-cargo-ship-burst-flames.html


  • eekeek Posts: 29,394
    Nigelb said:

    eek said:

    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The Democrats seem to be invisible atm.

    Possibly following James Carville's advice to 'play dead' and let the horror unfold.
    That's about the shittiest advice possible.

    Midterms are all about turning out the committed supporters; energising the base. Democrats are already angry about how little pushback their representatives are offering.
    I’m not so sure - currently when I wake up in the UK the 7am 6Music news leads on the latest bit of Trump “stupidity”. So if uk news is drowned out by Trump the odds of a democrat complaint making the news in the US is even less likely
    Turnout in the presidential elections is north of 60%; in the midterms it's somewhere between 40 and 50%.
    It's not about floating voters who heard something on the news. If you don't turn out your base you're dead. Democrats need to be making noise, rather than genteelly debating what tactics to adopt in a futile vote against the GOP majority in Congress.
    I don’t think they are making noise at the moment that it’s being heard or more likely isn’t hearable
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,760
    Thanks for your header @rottenborough and my own opinion, for what it is worth, is that we have not experienced any such event outside WW2 that has turned the world order upside down and my fear is not for my wife and I being oxgenerians, but our grandchildren whose future has been jeopardised by a crazy, narcissistic Trump and his equally crazy bullies

    I can only hope that this is a lesson to the west and our politicians that we have to come together across our precious world to combine and fight this toxicity collectively and unified

    It means the EU, UK, Canada, Iceland Norway and even Australia, NZ, Japan and Asia urgently cooperating on defence and in time as a large trading block to everyone's benefit, apart from the US and Russia

    I do have concern for children, who may well be very frightened, by what they are hearing and they need their parents to ensure they are reassured and try to keep some of the terrifying stories in the media away from them
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,566
    Great header, love the little quotes.
    The thing with election rigging is its much easier when you win anyway or it's at least close...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,173
    edited March 10
    Reporter: Do you believe Putin is disrespecting you by attacking Ukraine?

    Trump: What did he do? Is he disrespecting me? Who are you with?

    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1898888628224274448

    Great question. Feeble answer.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,123
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14481765/Anti-Musk-protestors-attack-Tesla-showrooms-Molotov-cocktails-guns.html

    Anti-Musk demos grow across US as protestors attack Tesla showrooms with Molotov cocktails and guns
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,690
    edited March 10
    Nigelb said:

    This is the guy Trump gave Rubio as one of his top officials.
    There is zero chance he wasn't aware of all this.

    Deleted tweets show top State Department official spread false rumor about Rubio’s sexuality, called him ‘low IQ’
    https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/10/politics/darren-beattie-marco-rubio-deleted-tweets-kfile/index.html
    A top acting State Department official deleted at least half a dozen tweets that ridiculed his now boss, Secretary of State Marco Rubio, including ones calling him “low IQ” and repeating a false rumor about Rubio’s sexuality.

    The deleted tweets from Darren Beattie, the acting under secretary of state for public diplomacy, were uncovered as part of a CNN review of his social media and include a mixture of insults and harsh attacks against Rubio.

    Beattie, who was fired from his role as a speechwriter during the first Trump administration after CNN’s KFile revealed he attended a conference featuring White nationalists, made a series of attacks over the years against other Republicans, including a number of offensive, homophobic and racist comments.

    Though Beattie left up several of his most inflammatory posts, he does appear to have purged criticism of Rubio from his feed. Beattie deleted tweets suggesting a deep hostility toward Rubio — particularly after the then-senator voted to certify the 2020 election results and condemned the January 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol. One deleted tweet also attacked Rubio for criticizing possible Russian actions in Ukraine.

    After being ousted from the Trump White House in 2018, Beattie launched Revolver News, a far-right media outlet that has spread conspiracies regarding the January 6 attack. The website has boosted false claims that federal agencies orchestrated aspects of the attack and that extremist groups involved were under government control.

    In a tweet that was removed for violating Twitter’s terms of service, on the day Roe v. Wade was overturned, Revolver News posted about shooting women who get abortions.

    “BREAKING: It’s now legal to shoot women having abortions in New York City with your Supreme Court-issued concealed handgun,” read the post.

    Beattie’s appointment fueled outrage, with Democrats calling for his removal over his history of racist and misogynistic tweets and posts that denied the Uyghur genocide in China — most of which are still on his public X account.

    In response to a series of questions from CNN, Beattie responded, “Secretary Rubio is 100 percent America First and it’s a tremendous honor to work for him in advancing President Trump’s world historical agenda.”..

    Is "low IQ" or "stupid" not the standard insult?

    With Trump it's been a standard for a long time. Here is a piece about people he called low-IQ or stupid in his first term:

    https://archive.is/20250202200833/https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/08/06/the-people-trump-has-called-stupid/

    JD Vance used "low-IQ" on Rory Stewart. Are there other times he used it?

    One person I note JDV used it on - he called Donald Trump an idiot !
    https://archive.is/20250128081038/https://www.reuters.com/world/us/jd-vance-once-compared-trump-hitler-now-they-are-running-mates-2024-07-15/

    Where does this language come from? Have they got it from the former IQ Scale used for mental disability eg for Imbecile:

    "The word arises from the Latin word imbecillus, meaning weak, or weak-minded.[3] It originally referred to people of the second order in a former and discarded classification of intellectual disability, with a mental age of three to seven years and an IQ of 25–50, above "idiot" (IQ below 25) and below "moron" (IQ of 51–70)."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imbecile

    According to wiki, there are still a few leftover fragments in US State Laws.

    Given the history of their movement, and of eugenics in the States, I would not be surprised if that is where it come from by some route.

    Background:
    https://www.eugenicsarchive.ca/encyclopedia?id=53480acd132156674b0002c3

    And of course it's part of Leon's pantomime script, here.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,000

    "An oil tanker whicg burst into flames after being struck by a cargo ship was "essential" for US national security' and had been loaded with 18,000 tons of jet fuel, it has emerged.Dozens of people have been rescued and brought ashore after the MV Stena Immaculate exploded into a 'massive fireball' off the Yorkshire coast today.'"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14482397/Stricken-oil-tanker-essential-US-national-security-US-flagged-vessel-supplies-military-carrying-jet-fuel-hit-cargo-ship-burst-flames.html


    I do worry about Russian false flag ops v the US to make Trump explode with Ukraine.

    Someone mentioned snipers earlier and I wouldn’t put it past Putin to engineer something against Trump’s circle that would be blamed on Ukraine.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,760
    edited March 10
    Cicero said:

    A rock ribbed Republican, ex US military, and definitely straight white male friend of mine predicts catastrophe for the Trump administration.

    He suggests that the issue is that the shock is taking time to get through. There are indeed many demonstrations taking place, though not widely reported, and the GOP town meetings are descending into open rebellion.

    He believes that if Europe can do the right thing and save Ukraine, then the opposition to Trump will grow so strong that he cannot avoid the midterms which will be a crushing disaster for Trump. However if Trump even tries to suspend the elections, he will be removed from office immediately.

    I see that Peter Zeihan and now increasingly many others are suggesting that Trump really is compromised by Putin and that may be a straw in the wind. '

    By pushing back against Russia in Ukraine we are also reinforcing against the Quislings in Washington.

    The situation is moving fast, and the damage being done to the USA could reach a full blown crisis even as early as this Summer.

    The real conservatives are as shocked at the current turn of events as anyone else. I note that, as always, Liz Truss has backed the wrong horse. The fate of Trump could be the same as Truss, just on a slower but more dramatic timeline.

    Truss was a sideshow to this devastating change of events, and sadly I am not as confident as you that Trump will fail but I absolutely agree the west, excluding the US, have to support Ukraine and not let if fall to the will of the gastly Trump - Putin combi

    I have a Canadian daughter in law of Ukrainian descent
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,972
    MattW said:

    TimS said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The unfolding horror every day can be eased by looking at the Tesla stock price...

    Meanwhile, Republicans are not going to rediscover their voice. They are terrified that is they speak up, J6 fans are going to assault them

    Down 8% today, but still above where it was before the election.
    It's been below 50% from peak.
    Now down a third in a month.

    Celebrations all round....
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,424
    5 charts to keep an eye on as we head into WW3, phase 1.

    1. Oil price (WTI, Brent crude etc). The lower the price, the less financial muscle Russia has to pursue its war aims - especially relevant if US drops sanctions. Oil has been falling on US recession fears
    https://oilprice.com/oil-price-charts/#Brent-Crude

    2. World Natural gas price. Ditto for Russia, and it also disproportionately affects European economic performance when it’s high. Currently on a bit of a boom. Though note gas prices are more regional with no global benchmark (below is an average)
    https://oilprice.com/oil-price-charts/#Natural-Gas

    3. S&P500: measure of confidence in the US economy and stocks, and hence in Trump. Broader based and better indicator than DJIA. Highly volatile the last week, and down 2% today.
    https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/index/spx

    4. Tesla shares: closest we have to a proxy for confidence in Elon
    https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/tsla

    5. Rheinmetall shares: the best proxy I can find for US-European decoupling (BAe is too US-exposed, Thales too diversified). They’re up over 100% in the year
    https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/rhm?countrycode=xe

    Unfortunately US treasuries aren’t really a helpful indicator at the moment because they’re affected in multiple directions by inflation, the deficit, and growth expectations, sometimes in contradictory ways.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,649
    boulay said:

    "An oil tanker whicg burst into flames after being struck by a cargo ship was "essential" for US national security' and had been loaded with 18,000 tons of jet fuel, it has emerged.Dozens of people have been rescued and brought ashore after the MV Stena Immaculate exploded into a 'massive fireball' off the Yorkshire coast today.'"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14482397/Stricken-oil-tanker-essential-US-national-security-US-flagged-vessel-supplies-military-carrying-jet-fuel-hit-cargo-ship-burst-flames.html


    I do worry about Russian false flag ops v the US to make Trump explode with Ukraine.

    Someone mentioned snipers earlier and I wouldn’t put it past Putin to engineer something against Trump’s circle that would be blamed on Ukraine.
    Why would he need to?

    Putin is getting everything he wants and all tied up with a nice ribbon and a kiss from Trumpski.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,053
    HYUFD said:

    If you are a white straight male who works in the private sector and lives in the Midwest and South or Pennsylvania and who voted for Trump last November is there much that he is doing you don't support? You might work in manufacturing or used to work in industry or be a farmer and if you don't buy many non US goods and your business or employer doesn't export much abroad you would probably welcome his tariffs as increasing demand for the goods and products you produce and increasing rustbelt jobs.

    You are probably anti immigration and approve of his deportations (but welcome his offer of visas to South African white farmers), are anti woke and distrust DC so like Musk's slashing of the Federal government and Trump's ending EDI and also likely couldn't give a toss about Ukraine which in your view is just one white European nation fighting another white European nation and the US could spend money at home rather than send more to Zelensky. You may also be a white evangelical Christian and pro Israel so would be happy if Trump's resorts took over Gaza and replaced Hamas.

    Where it might impact is independents, especially if cost of living rises with the tariffs. The management of midterm elections is the responsibility of Congress not the President

    The point is that, whatever your interests, you are probably in a (social) media bubble and don't actually know what is going on. You think Trump is doing lots of good things. You don't know about the bad things he is doing.

    Things have to get bad enough to penetrate that Fox News/Twitter bubble before you will see really big political swings.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,078
    Nigelb said:

    Reporter: Do you believe Putin is disrespecting you by attacking Ukraine?

    Trump: What did he do? Is he disrespecting me? Who are you with?

    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1898888628224274448

    Great question. Feeble answer.

    Noted elsewhere, Trump really struggles with answering any question that isn't "please tell us how magnificent you are"

    Hence his need to handpick who is allowed to ask him anything
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,078

    Things have to get bad enough to penetrate that Fox News/Twitter bubble before you will see really big political swings.

    Fox News keep talking to people who says prices are going up, and it fries their brains
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,972
    edited March 10
    TimS said:

    5 charts to keep an eye on as we head into WW3, phase 1.

    1. Oil price (WTI, Brent crude etc). The lower the price, the less financial muscle Russia has to pursue its war aims - especially relevant if US drops sanctions. Oil has been falling on US recession fears
    https://oilprice.com/oil-price-charts/#Brent-Crude

    2. World Natural gas price. Ditto for Russia, and it also disproportionately affects European economic performance when it’s high. Currently on a bit of a boom. Though note gas prices are more regional with no global benchmark (below is an average)
    https://oilprice.com/oil-price-charts/#Natural-Gas

    3. S&P500: measure of confidence in the US economy and stocks, and hence in Trump. Broader based and better indicator than DJIA. Highly volatile the last week, and down 2% today.
    https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/index/spx

    4. Tesla shares: closest we have to a proxy for confidence in Elon
    https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/tsla

    5. Rheinmetall shares: the best proxy I can find for US-European decoupling (BAe is too US-exposed, Thales too diversified). They’re up over 100% in the year
    https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/rhm?countrycode=xe

    Unfortunately US treasuries aren’t really a helpful indicator at the moment because they’re affected in multiple directions by inflation, the deficit, and growth expectations, sometimes in contradictory ways.

    Caveat on 1: the oil price might have risen because Ukraine has taken out Russia's production capacity.

    The happy people in that case would be the Saudis and Yankee Big Oil (but not Yankee voters....)

    So Trump should just let the Ukrainians carry on.

    There is a slight complication, which is Iran would benefit.

    But that is likely to get remedied when the US and Israel trash Iran in short order as punishment for getting close to a Bomb.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,505
    Cicero said:

    A rock ribbed Republican, ex US military, and definitely straight white male friend of mine predicts catastrophe for the Trump administration.

    He suggests that the issue is that the shock is taking time to get through. There are indeed many demonstrations taking place, though not widely reported, and the GOP town meetings are descending into open rebellion.

    He believes that if Europe can do the right thing and save Ukraine, then the opposition to Trump will grow so strong that he cannot avoid the midterms which will be a crushing disaster for Trump. However if Trump even tries to suspend the elections, he will be removed from office immediately.

    I see that Peter Zeihan and now increasingly many others are suggesting that Trump really is compromised by Putin and that may be a straw in the wind. '

    By pushing back against Russia in Ukraine we are also reinforcing against the Quislings in Washington.

    The situation is moving fast, and the damage being done to the USA could reach a full blown crisis even as early as this Summer.

    The real conservatives are as shocked at the current turn of events as anyone else. I note that, as always, Liz Truss has backed the wrong horse. The fate of Trump could be the same as Truss, just on a slower but more dramatic timeline.

    Removed by whom? Ordinarily that would be the cabinet invoking the 25th amendment. No chance. Or Congress impeaching the President. Possible but really unlikely.

    Did I read earlier that MAGA are simply not bothering to hold town halls where they think there will be dissent?

    "You've had your chance now we've got the mandate, if you've changed your mind I'm afraid it's too late"
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,972

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14481765/Anti-Musk-protestors-attack-Tesla-showrooms-Molotov-cocktails-guns.html

    Anti-Musk demos grow across US as protestors attack Tesla showrooms with Molotov cocktails and guns

    Damn! The Libtards got themselves some guns....
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,505
    algarkirk said:

    Thanks for the article. May I with apologies repost something relevant to this, a betting post of sorts, but there won't be a market:


    What are the probabilities/possibilities in the medium term term for USA post 20 January 2025. Here are five:

    1 Trump over time remains weird but normalises.

    2 Slow boiling frog: carry on as if this is a normal regime but weird, gradually tightening the screw but, eg, don't invade Canada. NATO debilitated but not abolished. Free and fair elections continue.

    3 Quicker boiling frog: we end up where it appears rational to MAGA to literally invade Canada. NATO stuffed. Elections rigged.

    4 Proper Trumpist coup: we wake up one day and find MSNBC, NYT, WSJ are closed, internet is down and Jon Stewart is in prison, elections cancelled, army on the street

    5 Proper counter coup: We wake up one day and find airports closed, media outlets occupied, Trump and Musk etc arrested and army on the street.

    Of these 5, assuming they cover the terrain, I would put the % at about 5% 35% 25% 20% 15%. Thoughts?

    The favourite there has to be 3. They're openly threatening to invade Canada and Greenland and Panama if they don't get what they want. They *have* stuffed NATO, and they're openly discussing scenarios where elections and the constitution have been set aside.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,078

    "You've had your chance now we've got the mandate, if you've changed your mind I'm afraid it's too late"

    Anti-Musk demos grow across US as protestors attack Tesla showrooms with Molotov cocktails and guns

    And there's the (specifically US) problem

    You either let people voice their opinions, or get shot at...
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,291
    edited March 10
    Very good piece @rottenborough - yes the American people are the best hope. They did this and it falls to them to undo it.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,972
    Nigelb said:

    Reporter: Do you believe Putin is disrespecting you by attacking Ukraine?

    Trump: What did he do? Is he disrespecting me? Who are you with?

    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1898888628224274448

    Great question. Feeble answer.

    The more we see of Trump, the more we see de Niro's Al Capone in the Untouchables. He really does appear to use him as a role model. Not quite at the point of offing someone who annoys him with a baseball bat. But close.

    And Musk his oily henchmen in the white suit.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,304
    Nigelb said:

    eek said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The Democrats seem to be invisible atm.

    Possibly following James Carville's advice to 'play dead' and let the horror unfold.
    The thing is there are so many moving parts that I don’t think you could actually stop anything at the moment. Which is why you end up waiting for things to calm down at which point you can survey what the situation is and start working out how to deal with the aftermath
    Dems on the hill are focussed on the debt ceiling issue. They can try and shut the US government down in a few weeks or block Trump from raising the current ceiling. One option apparently is to agree to vote for the debt raise but only if Musk is removed from the non-job he holds as 'Destroyer in Chief'.
    The GOP have a majority in both Houses. It's up to them.

    The Dems should simply refuse to vote for anything which isn't a clean continuing resolution.
    Which is why it doesn't look good when 10 dems supported the censure of Green after he did his state of the union protest.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,078

    Not quite at the point of offing someone who annoys him with a baseball bat. But close.

    He has had many people who annoy him removed. That none of them are dead yet may be considered chance at this point.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,897
    I think the Democrats keeping a low profile is a good thing. It means that Trump will (as much as is possible) own any upsides and, more importantly, any downsides, to this insanity.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,123

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14481765/Anti-Musk-protestors-attack-Tesla-showrooms-Molotov-cocktails-guns.html

    Anti-Musk demos grow across US as protestors attack Tesla showrooms with Molotov cocktails and guns

    Damn! The Libtards got themselves some guns....
    Starmer could give Trump and Musk some advice on how to deal with this kind of unrest.
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,883

    HYUFD said:

    If you are a white straight male who works in the private sector and lives in the Midwest and South or Pennsylvania and who voted for Trump last November is there much that he is doing you don't support? You might work in manufacturing or used to work in industry or be a farmer and if you don't buy many non US goods and your business or employer doesn't export much abroad you would probably welcome his tariffs as increasing demand for the goods and products you produce and increasing rustbelt jobs.

    You are probably anti immigration and approve of his deportations (but welcome his offer of visas to South African white farmers), are anti woke and distrust DC so like Musk's slashing of the Federal government and Trump's ending EDI and also likely couldn't give a toss about Ukraine which in your view is just one white European nation fighting another white European nation and the US could spend money at home rather than send more to Zelensky. You may also be a white evangelical Christian and pro Israel so would be happy if Trump's resorts took over Gaza and replaced Hamas.

    Where it might impact is independents, especially if cost of living rises with the tariffs. The management of midterm elections is the responsibility of Congress not the President

    The point is that, whatever your interests, you are probably in a (social) media bubble and don't actually know what is going on. You think Trump is doing lots of good things. You don't know about the bad things he is doing.

    Things have to get bad enough to penetrate that Fox News/Twitter bubble before you will see really big political swings.
    You’re in a social media bubble says man in social media bubble.

    Honestly, people here need to get a grip
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,424

    TimS said:

    5 charts to keep an eye on as we head into WW3, phase 1.

    1. Oil price (WTI, Brent crude etc). The lower the price, the less financial muscle Russia has to pursue its war aims - especially relevant if US drops sanctions. Oil has been falling on US recession fears
    https://oilprice.com/oil-price-charts/#Brent-Crude

    2. World Natural gas price. Ditto for Russia, and it also disproportionately affects European economic performance when it’s high. Currently on a bit of a boom. Though note gas prices are more regional with no global benchmark (below is an average)
    https://oilprice.com/oil-price-charts/#Natural-Gas

    3. S&P500: measure of confidence in the US economy and stocks, and hence in Trump. Broader based and better indicator than DJIA. Highly volatile the last week, and down 2% today.
    https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/index/spx

    4. Tesla shares: closest we have to a proxy for confidence in Elon
    https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/tsla

    5. Rheinmetall shares: the best proxy I can find for US-European decoupling (BAe is too US-exposed, Thales too diversified). They’re up over 100% in the year
    https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/rhm?countrycode=xe

    Unfortunately US treasuries aren’t really a helpful indicator at the moment because they’re affected in multiple directions by inflation, the deficit, and growth expectations, sometimes in contradictory ways.

    Caveat on 1: the oil price might have risen because Ukraine has taken out Russia's production capacity.

    The happy people in that case would be the Saudis and Yankee Big Oil (but not Yankee voters....)

    So Trump should just let the Ukrainians carry on.

    There is a slight complication, which is Iran would benefit.

    But that is likely to get remedied when the US and Israel trash Iran in short order as punishment for getting close to a Bomb.
    I think I’ll create an index when I have a bit of time to spare, where the value is a normalised product of RHM - Crude - NatGas - S&P - TSLA.

    The higher value, the greater the hope for the rest of us.

    All normalised 100 as of 20 January.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,897
    edited March 10
    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    If you are a white straight male who works in the private sector and lives in the Midwest and South or Pennsylvania and who voted for Trump last November is there much that he is doing you don't support? You might work in manufacturing or used to work in industry or be a farmer and if you don't buy many non US goods and your business or employer doesn't export much abroad you would probably welcome his tariffs as increasing demand for the goods and products you produce and increasing rustbelt jobs.

    You are probably anti immigration and approve of his deportations (but welcome his offer of visas to South African white farmers), are anti woke and distrust DC so like Musk's slashing of the Federal government and Trump's ending EDI and also likely couldn't give a toss about Ukraine which in your view is just one white European nation fighting another white European nation and the US could spend money at home rather than send more to Zelensky. You may also be a white evangelical Christian and pro Israel so would be happy if Trump's resorts took over Gaza and replaced Hamas.

    Where it might impact is independents, especially if cost of living rises with the tariffs. The management of midterm elections is the responsibility of Congress not the President

    The point is that, whatever your interests, you are probably in a (social) media bubble and don't actually know what is going on. You think Trump is doing lots of good things. You don't know about the bad things he is doing.

    Things have to get bad enough to penetrate that Fox News/Twitter bubble before you will see really big political swings.
    You’re in a social media bubble says man in social media bubble.

    Honestly, people here need to get a grip
    Doesn't mean they're not both in a social media bubble.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,291
    edited March 10

    Nigelb said:

    Reporter: Do you believe Putin is disrespecting you by attacking Ukraine?

    Trump: What did he do? Is he disrespecting me? Who are you with?

    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1898888628224274448

    Great question. Feeble answer.

    The more we see of Trump, the more we see de Niro's Al Capone in the Untouchables. He really does appear to use him as a role model. Not quite at the point of offing someone who annoys him with a baseball bat. But close.

    And Musk his oily henchmen in the white suit.
    But along with the narcissistic personality disorder and the gangsterism and all the rest of it there's a quite staggering level of incompetence. There's never been a leader of any major country, let alone the USA, so out of their depth. Liz Truss was a maestro by comparison.
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,883
    eek said:

    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The Democrats seem to be invisible atm.

    Possibly following James Carville's advice to 'play dead' and let the horror unfold.
    That's about the shittiest advice possible.

    Midterms are all about turning out the committed supporters; energising the base. Democrats are already angry about how little pushback their representatives are offering.
    I’m not so sure - currently when I wake up in the UK the 7am 6Music news leads on the latest bit of Trump “stupidity”. So if uk news is drowned out by Trump the odds of a democrat complaint making the news in the US is even less likely
    6Music news is totally irrelevant to US news 😂
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,078
    kinabalu said:

    Liz Truss was a maestro by comparison.

    Phrases that should never be uttered, or indeed be true, for $200
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,283

    "An oil tanker whicg burst into flames after being struck by a cargo ship was "essential" for US national security' and had been loaded with 18,000 tons of jet fuel, it has emerged.Dozens of people have been rescued and brought ashore after the MV Stena Immaculate exploded into a 'massive fireball' off the Yorkshire coast today.'"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14482397/Stricken-oil-tanker-essential-US-national-security-US-flagged-vessel-supplies-military-carrying-jet-fuel-hit-cargo-ship-burst-flames.html


    I wonder how it was essential for US national security. Why was it there in that place?
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,862
    AnneJGP said:

    "An oil tanker whicg burst into flames after being struck by a cargo ship was "essential" for US national security' and had been loaded with 18,000 tons of jet fuel, it has emerged.Dozens of people have been rescued and brought ashore after the MV Stena Immaculate exploded into a 'massive fireball' off the Yorkshire coast today.'"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14482397/Stricken-oil-tanker-essential-US-national-security-US-flagged-vessel-supplies-military-carrying-jet-fuel-hit-cargo-ship-burst-flames.html


    I wonder how it was essential for US national security. Why was it there in that place?
    Filling with massive amounts of US military jet fuel in Greece, apparently.

    The UK must have been around the halfway point. Convenient point for the Russians, if they wanted to send a message, I suppose.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,644
    An acronym is needed to abbreviate references to Trumpism. Might AGPOK - the American Gangster Plutocratic Oligarchic Kleptocracy serve? But there must be better....
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,291
    Scott_xP said:

    kinabalu said:

    Liz Truss was a maestro by comparison.

    Phrases that should never be uttered, or indeed be true, for $200
    Ok so he's like a cross between Mussolini and Frank Spencer then.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,157
    kinabalu said:

    Scott_xP said:

    kinabalu said:

    Liz Truss was a maestro by comparison.

    Phrases that should never be uttered, or indeed be true, for $200
    Ok so he's like a cross between Mussolini and Frank Spencer then.
    "Betty! It's me, Benito!"
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,690
    TimS said:

    5 charts to keep an eye on as we head into WW3, phase 1.

    1. Oil price (WTI, Brent crude etc). The lower the price, the less financial muscle Russia has to pursue its war aims - especially relevant if US drops sanctions. Oil has been falling on US recession fears
    https://oilprice.com/oil-price-charts/#Brent-Crude

    2. World Natural gas price. Ditto for Russia, and it also disproportionately affects European economic performance when it’s high. Currently on a bit of a boom. Though note gas prices are more regional with no global benchmark (below is an average)
    https://oilprice.com/oil-price-charts/#Natural-Gas

    3. S&P500: measure of confidence in the US economy and stocks, and hence in Trump. Broader based and better indicator than DJIA. Highly volatile the last week, and down 2% today.
    https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/index/spx

    4. Tesla shares: closest we have to a proxy for confidence in Elon
    https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/tsla

    5. Rheinmetall shares: the best proxy I can find for US-European decoupling (BAe is too US-exposed, Thales too diversified). They’re up over 100% in the year
    https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/rhm?countrycode=xe

    Unfortunately US treasuries aren’t really a helpful indicator at the moment because they’re affected in multiple directions by inflation, the deficit, and growth expectations, sometimes in contradictory ways.

    Eutelsat?

    1.14 to 7.47 since 28/2

    https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/ETL.PA/
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,078
    @SenMarkKelly

    Just left Ukraine. What I saw proved to me we can’t give up on the Ukrainian people. Everyone wants this war to end, but any agreement has to protect Ukraine’s security and can’t be a giveaway to Putin. Let me tell you about my trip and why it’s important we stand with Ukraine.🧵

    https://x.com/SenMarkKelly/status/1898872403175858375

    Elon called him a traitor...
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,078
    algarkirk said:

    An acronym is needed to abbreviate references to Trumpism. Might AGPOK - the American Gangster Plutocratic Oligarchic Kleptocracy serve? But there must be better....

    Trusk is useful
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,242
    I see that, after Tesla's big fall in shade price to well below pre-election levels, they retain a P/E ratio of 113.

    In the context of sharply falling sales in Europe and China, and likely similar in certain US states since Musk went full-nutjob, Tesla shares have a long way left to fall before they can start to be supported as a value investment.

    Will be a great lesson for business schools in the future as to how to 'Musk' a brand.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,157
    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    Scott_xP said:

    TwiX is down again

    So are the nutters.
    Nitters! Bad autocorrect! My bad, sorry!
    Just had some whole-nit chocolate :lol:
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