Unbelievable. even by Trump 2.0 clownshow standards.
Why are they arguing with him live on TV?
I suppose Trump thinks the whole presidency is just another episode of Apprentice.
Trump has the excuse of being old and obviously gaga.
Vance really ought to be booking a long appointment at the confessional.
(Do they have separate queues for big confessions, as opposed to five sins or less?)
There was a clip played on the BBC yesterday from Trump during his first term; he was markedly more cogent back then, even if we wouldn’t have said so at the time.
They’re behaving like teenagers.
A lot of Americans are going to be embarrassed, mortified, horrified.
Unbelievable. even by Trump 2.0 clownshow standards.
Why are they arguing with him live on TV?
I suppose Trump thinks the whole presidency is just another episode of Apprentice.
Trump has the excuse of being old and obviously gaga.
Vance really ought to be booking a long appointment at the confessional.
(Do they have separate queues for big confessions, as opposed to five sins or less?)
There was a clip played on the BBC yesterday from Trump during his first term; he was markedly more cogent back then, even if we wouldn’t have said so at the time.
They’re behaving like teenagers.
A lot of Americans are going to be embarrassed, mortified, horrified.
Only one thing for it, Zelensky will need to challenge Trump to play the piano with his penis like a bit he did when was he was a comedian, only telling Trump he did it for real to make the latter do it properly.
If Starmer wants to win the next election and the King wants to turn me into a monarchist they have to cancel the state visit after that Oval Office disgrace.
After this the invitation should be summarily withdrawn
Trump just said this is great television !!!!!
This is what I mean. Trump 2.0 presidency makes more sense as just a continuous episode of some sick reality tv show where every day they have some hot hits that fire up the audience. That's how he sees the world.
Zelenskyy should leave, saying "The European deal they've offered is so much better for Ukraine. Could have had all those minerals. You blew it for America, Donald..."
Unbelievable. even by Trump 2.0 clownshow standards.
Why are they arguing with him live on TV?
I suppose Trump thinks the whole presidency is just another episode of Apprentice.
Yes, it being done in front of the camreas is pretty absurd. It suggests they brought Zelensky there with the intent to publicly humiliate him, more than would already be the case from forcing him to agree a deal it would be obvious was done as a result of being bullied into it.
The USA is already holding the whip hand over Ukraine, there's no need to crack the thing in front of an audience to boot.
If Starmer wants to win the next election and the King wants to turn me into a monarchist they have to cancel the state visit after that Oval Office disgrace.
Well, have they even officially invited yet or merely promised to invite?
It'll still happen though. Ukraine was yesterday's issue, once Trump is done with it it will just be that place the Russians stole land from that everyone feels bad about but can do nothing about.
It won't be yesterday's issue because due to Trump's support, Russia will be advancing on their next target.
Starmer really does need to tell Trump to go fuck himself. And yes. That invitation - which should haver have been made in the first place - needs to be withdrawn. If it isn't then the King needs to make sure he is unavoudably detained when Trump is supposed to be visiting.
Very sorry, double booked. Dental appointment. Need a crown
I hope KCIII has located that tree his mum jumped behind to hide from the Ceausescus back in the day.
Only one thing for it, Zelensky will need to challenge Trump to play the piano with his penis like a bit he did when was he was a comedian, only telling Trump he did it for real to make the latter do it properly.
I know the realpolitik probably means Ukraine has to play ball here, and hope. But god how depressing.
I imagine Ukraine will have to play ball.
But Trump is just so obnoxious, and Vance worse. I think they wanted it to be like Vercingetorix being stripped naked and kissing an eagle standard before Caesar as depicted in the old TV show Rome.
The daily 5 pm Donny Show with a special guest could be the saviour of live TV. It's rip roaring light entertainment of the highest order. Funny, sad, brutal, moving, utterly unpredictable and never dull. Are you not entertained?
Unbelievable. even by Trump 2.0 clownshow standards.
Why are they arguing with him live on TV?
I suppose Trump thinks the whole presidency is just another episode of Apprentice.
Yes, it being done in front of the camreas is pretty absurd. It suggests they brought Zelensky there with the intent to publicly humiliate him, more than would already be the case from forcing him to agree a deal it would be obvious was done as a result of being bullied into it.
The USA is already holding the whip hand over Ukraine, there's no need to crack the thing in front of an audience to boot.
If Starmer wants to win the next election and the King wants to turn me into a monarchist they have to cancel the state visit after that Oval Office disgrace.
Well, have they even officially invited yet or merely promised to invite?
It'll still happen though. Ukraine was yesterday's issue, once Trump is done with it it will just be that place the Russians stole land from that everyone feels bad about but can do nothing about.
It won't be yesterday's issue because due to Trump's support, Russia will be advancing on their next target.
Probably not before Trump leaves office however, and what else would matter?
Starmer really does need to tell Trump to go fuck himself. And yes. That invitation - which should haver have been made in the first place - needs to be withdrawn. If it isn't then the King needs to make sure he is unavoidably detained when Trump is supposed to be visiting.
Very sorry, double booked. Dental appointment. Need a crown
If Starmer wants to win the next election and the King wants to turn me into a monarchist they have to cancel the state visit after that Oval Office disgrace.
Starmer late honeymoon lasts...erm... twenty four hours?
This fracture live on tv is unthinkable
Full 50 mins conference live on Sky if you can bear to watch
Kemi should demand Starmer's resignation. It turned out it wasn't his best day as PM,but his worst. We all said it was a disaster yesterday.
If Starmer wants to win the next election and the King wants to turn me into a monarchist they have to cancel the state visit after that Oval Office disgrace.
After this the invitation should be summarily withdrawn
Trump just said this is great television !!!!!
Note to Starmer and @williamglenn .Lie with dogs get fleas
The daily 5 pm Donny Show with a special guest could be the saviour of live TV. It's rip roaring light entertainment of the highest order. Funny, sad, brutal, moving, utterly unpredictable and never dull. Are you not entertained?
Yesterday not looking quite such a good day for Starmer.
He has now invited for a second state visit to the UK a US President who has just engaged in a shouting match with Zelensky for not grovelling to him enough for a deal while trying to defend his country from Putin. He has gone from Churchill 2 to Neville Chamberlain 2 in 24 hrs
I hope this is all theatre designed to placate MAGA, and a sensible deal is being arranged elsewhere.
Desperate stuff.
Problem is a lot of his first term Cabinet seemed to think in the same terms, assuming the chaos and incredibly thin skin were theatre, only to discover the way he acts behind closed doors is little different. There was a reason so few of them publicly backed him in 2024, having seen what he was like. The voting public may not have cared about that, prioritising other issues, the idea his erratic personal reactions to things could not derail important things I think has been disproven by time.
If Starmer wants to win the next election and the King wants to turn me into a monarchist they have to cancel the state visit after that Oval Office disgrace.
Starmer late honeymoon lasts...erm... twenty four hours?
This fracture live on tv is unthinkable
Full 50 mins conference live on Sky if you can bear to watch
Kemi should demand Starmer's resignation. It turned out it wasn't his best day as PM,but his worst. We all said it was a disaster yesterday.
Yesterday not looking quite such a good day for Starmer.
He has just invited for a second state visit to the UK a US President who has just engaged in a shouting match with Zelensky for not grovelling to him enough for a deal while trying to defend his country from Putin
If Starmer wants to win the next election and the King wants to turn me into a monarchist they have to cancel the state visit after that Oval Office disgrace.
After this the invitation should be summarily withdrawn
Trump just said this is great television !!!!!
Note to Starmer and @williamglenn .Lie with dogs get fleas
My wife is shaking with anger demanding Trump is uninvited to the UK
Neither of us can believe what we are witnessing
And neither can the media
It turned out by going AWOL for a week Farage played a blinder. Farage needs to call out Trump and Starmer.
Farage agrees with Trump on Ukraine, he does the Corbynite thing of blaming NATO (or the EU) for the war, so could at best claim he would be more polite about things.
I should think he will remain pretty quiet, there's no sign yet that the public are likely to punish him or Reform over foreign policy concerns.
The daily 5 pm Donny Show with a special guest could be the saviour of live TV. It's rip roaring light entertainment of the highest order. Funny, sad, brutal, moving, utterly unpredictable and never dull. Are you not entertained?
If Starmer wants to win the next election and the King wants to turn me into a monarchist they have to cancel the state visit after that Oval Office disgrace.
Starmer late honeymoon lasts...erm... twenty four hours?
This fracture live on tv is unthinkable
Full 50 mins conference live on Sky if you can bear to watch
Kemi should demand Starmer's resignation. It turned out it wasn't his best day as PM,but his worst. We all said it was a disaster yesterday.
A day is a long time in politics.
A minute is with Trump.
Hope to god the remaining generals have organized a way to block any 'launch' instructions.
Vance is where the real danger lies. We can last four years (two really until the Dems take some power back). Even Ukraine can if we help it. But eight or twelve?
Yesterday not looking quite such a good day for Starmer.
He has just invited for a second state visit to the UK a US President who has just engaged in a shouting match with Zelensky for not grovelling to him enough for a deal while trying to defend his country from Putin
Yesterday not looking quite such a good day for Starmer.
He has just invited for a second state visit to the UK a US President who has just engaged in a shouting match with Zelensky for not grovelling to him enough for a deal while trying to defend his country from Putin
Yesterday not looking quite such a good day for Starmer.
He has just invited for a second state visit to the UK a US President who has just engaged in a shouting match with Zelensky for not grovelling to him enough for a deal while trying to defend his country from Putin
She seems appeallingly normal in sharing a slightly embarrsasing tale.
‘Appealingly normal’. Yeah right.
What she did was shitty. You don’t help yourself to other peoples stuff especially unopened. I don’t have a high opinion of her anyway and this just reinforces it.
I wasn't commenting on the morals of the specific action, which was a bit of a weird thing to do, but to her general political persona of being pretty ordinary, and sharing a tale where she was a wally can be a part of that. That persona being sincere or fake is somewhat beside the point. The most effective political personas will exaggerate or play up the real personality of the person in question.
I find the level of reaction to the story to be utterly hysterical to be honest.
I haven’t seen anything about this story apart from on here where the consensus seems to be ‘it’s our Ange, a working class hero,m what a card’
Unanimity across the political spectrum so far. I think even Farage will have to condemn this.
Will Starmer? Does he cling onto yesterday?
I seem to remember there was a big petition against a state visit in 2017 that had the support of a lot of Labour politicians. It will be quite embarrassing for Starmer if the same happens now.
The daily 5 pm Donny Show with a special guest could be the saviour of live TV. It's rip roaring light entertainment of the highest order. Funny, sad, brutal, moving, utterly unpredictable and never dull. Are you not entertained?
Ridiculous statement
Not funny at all.
Black comedy exists for a reason. But is stretched hard at times.
If Starmer wants to win the next election and the King wants to turn me into a monarchist they have to cancel the state visit after that Oval Office disgrace.
Starmer late honeymoon lasts...erm... twenty four hours?
This fracture live on tv is unthinkable
Full 50 mins conference live on Sky if you can bear to watch
Kemi should demand Starmer's resignation. It turned out it wasn't his best day as PM,but his worst. We all said it was a disaster yesterday.
Starmer wasn't the draft dodging coward/bully or his deputy telling Zelensky to just give us your minerals and stop asking for anything in return. Starmer did what he had to do to avoid Trump's wrath, he did his best for the UK which is what he's paid to do.
Unanimity across the political spectrum so far. I think even Farage will have to condemn this.
Will Starmer? Does he cling onto yesterday?
I seem to remember there was a big petition against a state visit in 2017 that had the support of a lot of Labour politicians. It will be quite embarrassing for Starmer if the same happens now.
I suspect one will be up within the hour.
But this visit is some time away I think? Couple of years? We may all be eating radiated rats by that point.
Yesterday not looking quite such a good day for Starmer.
He has just invited for a second state visit to the UK a US President who has just engaged in a shouting match with Zelensky for not grovelling to him enough for a deal while trying to defend his country from Putin
Starmer can only correct this by withdrawing the invite
The King cannot welcome Trump now
Can anyone imagine the demonstrations
Just not acceptable and a case could be made for the invite being offered far too soon anyway
Or else he invites Zelensky for a State Visit first and the King also travels to Canada before Trump arrives (I believe they were hoping to confine Trump to Balmoral Estate, Dumfries House and Windsor Castle and keep him out of London anyway)
Yesterday not looking quite such a good day for Starmer.
He has just invited for a second state visit to the UK a US President who has just engaged in a shouting match with Zelensky for not grovelling to him enough for a deal while trying to defend his country from Putin
I cannot recall anything that has united our forum in condemnation across the political divide than has happened live on our tv screens in the last hour
Yesterday not looking quite such a good day for Starmer.
He has just invited for a second state visit to the UK a US President who has just engaged in a shouting match with Zelensky for not grovelling to him enough for a deal while trying to defend his country from Putin
Starmer can only correct this by withdrawing the invite
The King cannot welcome Trump now
Can anyone imagine the demonstrations
Just not acceptable and a case could be made for the invite being offered far too soon anyway
I had assumed - especially with Trump's "he drives a hard bargain" comment at the start of yesterday's press conference - that Starmer had extracted some concessions and made clear some red lines in exchange for the state visit invitation.
Unanimity across the political spectrum so far. I think even Farage will have to condemn this.
Will Starmer? Does he cling onto yesterday?
I seem to remember there was a big petition against a state visit in 2017 that had the support of a lot of Labour politicians. It will be quite embarrassing for Starmer if the same happens now.
I suspect one will be up within the hour.
Not on the government website, it won’t! It took them three months to approve my last one for publication
Yesterday not looking quite such a good day for Starmer.
He has just invited for a second state visit to the UK a US President who has just engaged in a shouting match with Zelensky for not grovelling to him enough for a deal while trying to defend his country from Putin
Yesterday not looking quite such a good day for Starmer.
He has just invited for a second state visit to the UK a US President who has just engaged in a shouting match with Zelensky for not grovelling to him enough for a deal while trying to defend his country from Putin
Starmer can only correct this by withdrawing the invite
The King cannot welcome Trump now
Can anyone imagine the demonstrations
Just not acceptable and a case could be made for the invite being offered far too soon anyway
I had assumed - especially with Trump's "he drives a hard bargain" comment at the start of yesterday's press conference - that Starmer had extracted some concessions and made clear some red lines in exchange for the state visit invitation.
Yesterday not looking quite such a good day for Starmer.
He has just invited for a second state visit to the UK a US President who has just engaged in a shouting match with Zelensky for not grovelling to him enough for a deal while trying to defend his country from Putin
Starmer can only correct this by withdrawing the invite
The King cannot welcome Trump now
Can anyone imagine the demonstrations
Just not acceptable and a case could be made for the invite being offered far too soon anyway
Heck, there were people looking forward to a Brilliant Trade Deal with the US a few hours ago.
My (Centre-rightist Dad) take? It was right to offer the state visit yesterday, to go the extra mile. Unless the US government reverse-ferrets pretty quick, it's right to withdraw that invitation, and to explain why.
Yesterday not looking quite such a good day for Starmer.
He has just invited for a second state visit to the UK a US President who has just engaged in a shouting match with Zelensky for not grovelling to him enough for a deal while trying to defend his country from Putin
Starmer can only correct this by withdrawing the invite
The King cannot welcome Trump now
Can anyone imagine the demonstrations
Just not acceptable and a case could be made for the invite being offered far too soon anyway
Or else he invites Zelensky for a State Visit first and the King also travels to Canada before Trump arrives (I believe they were hoping to confine Trump to Balmoral Estate, Dumfries House and Windsor Castle and keep him out of London anyway)
She seems appeallingly normal in sharing a slightly embarrsasing tale.
‘Appealingly normal’. Yeah right.
What she did was shitty. You don’t help yourself to other peoples stuff especially unopened. I don’t have a high opinion of her anyway and this just reinforces it.
I wasn't commenting on the morals of the specific action, which was a bit of a weird thing to do, but to her general political persona of being pretty ordinary, and sharing a tale where she was a wally can be a part of that. That persona being sincere or fake is somewhat beside the point. The most effective political personas will exaggerate or play up the real personality of the person in question.
I find the level of reaction to the story to be utterly hysterical to be honest.
I haven’t seen anything about this story apart from on here where the consensus seems to be ‘it’s our Ange, a working class hero,m what a card’
Then you didn't see the initial post of it then, since 'what is she like?' is pretty clearly an invitation to criticise, and you're the one who then went on a tear about it being shitty and reinforcing poor opinion of her, and your summary of the consensus is not even slightly borne out by the actual comments made on here - the closest that comes it to is mine (and one from Dixiedean that looks like a joke), and that relies on a misconception of what I was tryting to get across which I've already explained (which was not celebrating her working class credentials, but that she comes across as quite normal, and sharing embarrassing stories can help that).
So I don't know where you are seeing that stuff to justify what seems to be spitting mad fury.,
Yesterday not looking quite such a good day for Starmer.
He has just invited for a second state visit to the UK a US President who has just engaged in a shouting match with Zelensky for not grovelling to him enough for a deal while trying to defend his country from Putin
Starmer can only correct this by withdrawing the invite
The King cannot welcome Trump now
Can anyone imagine the demonstrations
Just not acceptable and a case could be made for the invite being offered far too soon anyway
Starmer did what he had to do and Kemi would have done the same. Trump is a toddler but has the power to make us all much poorer. In two years time, hopefully, Congress will no longer be Republican and Trump will be a lame duck.
Yesterday not looking quite such a good day for Starmer.
He has just invited for a second state visit to the UK a US President who has just engaged in a shouting match with Zelensky for not grovelling to him enough for a deal while trying to defend his country from Putin
Moscow and Beijing can surely hardly believe their luck. It's not that Trump is compromised, I don't believe that, but he doesn't need to be.
There was a clip I think before he was President talking about american leaders being as bad Russia's, and Bill O'Reilly saying political leaders are not killers in america, and Trump just shrugging it off. Putin loves when Trump says they are no different.
This is the new world order. We tried to save the old world. It was definitely worth the attempt. But we have to accept the new reality.
Sometimes things cannot be put back together again when broken, they retain a weakness at their core as a result of the damage.
I expect everyone will work hard during Trump and then especially after Trump to say things are not as changed as they seem, and people will buy into it publicly, but this kind of change cannot be forgotten, even by those who actively want to put it behind them.
If Starmer wants to win the next election and the King wants to turn me into a monarchist they have to cancel the state visit after that Oval Office disgrace.
After this the invitation should be summarily withdrawn
Trump just said this is great television !!!!!
Note to Starmer and @williamglenn .Lie with dogs get fleas
I don't care about the Chagos. I don't care about a trade deal. And frankly, after that spectacle, I don't care about "The Special Relationship" anymore. The invite from the King should be rescinded immediately. It's time to take a proper stand against Trump and his thugs."
Yesterday not looking quite such a good day for Starmer.
He has just invited for a second state visit to the UK a US President who has just engaged in a shouting match with Zelensky for not grovelling to him enough for a deal while trying to defend his country from Putin
Moscow and Beijing can surely hardly believe their luck. It's not that Trump is compromised, I don't believe that, but he doesn't need to be.
There was a clip I think before he was President talking about american leaders being as bad Russia's, and Bill O'Reilly saying political leaders are not killers in america, and Trump just shrugging it off. Putin loves when Trump says they are no different.
Beijing have said Ukraine has to be part of peace talks and the EU should also be involved, at present China is less pro Putin than the Trump administration. China also abstained on the UN GA motion blaming Russia for the conflict, the US voted with Russia against
Yesterday not looking quite such a good day for Starmer.
He has just invited for a second state visit to the UK a US President who has just engaged in a shouting match with Zelensky for not grovelling to him enough for a deal while trying to defend his country from Putin
Starmer can only correct this by withdrawing the invite
The King cannot welcome Trump now
Can anyone imagine the demonstrations
Just not acceptable and a case could be made for the invite being offered far too soon anyway
Starmer did what he had to do and Kemi would have done the same. Trump is a toddler but has the power to make us all much poorer. In two years time, hopefully, Congress will no longer be Republican and Trump will be a lame duck.
We have no way of knowing about Congress and the world has to deal with Trump for the foresable future unfortunately
I can't wait to see the hot takes from the media on this, especially the likes of Dan Hodges, 24 hour volte face without even taking a breath.
Suspect I'm like many in the UK. What he does with tariffs and other stuff is up to him, I can't get too excited about it and American politics in general.
What I do care about, is Ukraine.
I don't think I have ever had such a feeling about the US as I do now. Not sure it will ever recover in my eyes.
Why would that happen though? The UK is extremely eager to do it, and apparently Trump is not fussed, so which side would pull the plug as a result of disagreement over Ukraine?
Few Romans would consider the CD bit of "CDXC" an acceptable form, the number should be rendered ccccxc. Like clock faces, iiij was always preferred for 4 but ix was widely used and xl and xc. They didn't even ask about letters with a bar over the top. Some of us learnt these things as nine year olds in a county primary school. Am I the only one who still adds up columns of dozens of these numbers to check the transcript is correct ?
I don't care about the Chagos. I don't care about a trade deal. And frankly, after that spectacle, I don't care about "The Special Relationship" anymore. The invite from the King should be rescinded immediately. It's time to take a proper stand against Trump and his thugs."
There’s no chance the state visit gets cancelled. To dis-invite Trump now would lead to a major fallout .
I agree it won’t, but it puts Starmer in a tricky position now. He tried to placate him and get warm words by handing out pretty baubles but unfortunately we have seen the type of person we’re dealing with here.
She seems appeallingly normal in sharing a slightly embarrsasing tale.
‘Appealingly normal’. Yeah right.
What she did was shitty. You don’t help yourself to other peoples stuff especially unopened. I don’t have a high opinion of her anyway and this just reinforces it.
I wasn't commenting on the morals of the specific action, which was a bit of a weird thing to do, but to her general political persona of being pretty ordinary, and sharing a tale where she was a wally can be a part of that. That persona being sincere or fake is somewhat beside the point. The most effective political personas will exaggerate or play up the real personality of the person in question.
I find the level of reaction to the story to be utterly hysterical to be honest.
I haven’t seen anything about this story apart from on here where the consensus seems to be ‘it’s our Ange, a working class hero,m what a card’
Then you didn't see the initial post of it then, since 'what is she like?' is pretty clearly an invitation to criticise, and you're the one who then went on a tear about it being shitty and reinforcing poor opinion of her, and your summary of the consensus is not even slightly borne out by the actual comments made on here - the closest that comes it to is mine (and one from Dixiedean that looks like a joke), and that relies on a misconception of what I was tryting to get across which I've already explained (which was not celebrating her working class credentials, but that she comes across as quite normal, and sharing embarrassing stories can help that).
So I don't know where you are seeing that stuff to justify what seems to be spitting mad fury.,
My Commenting on it is hardly ‘spitting mad fury’.
Get a sense of perspective and, yes, it is a shitty thing to do. Not a virtue.
I don't care about the Chagos. I don't care about a trade deal. And frankly, after that spectacle, I don't care about "The Special Relationship" anymore. The invite from the King should be rescinded immediately. It's time to take a proper stand against Trump and his thugs."
Commentators have the luxury of reacting off the cuff. I don't envy the government in these situations, trying to handle the world's most vindictive 78 year old toddler.
It'd be one thing if we were in a strong position economically or otherwise, but we're not, making reacting as I'm sure they'd prefer to even harder.
If Starmer wants to win the next election and the King wants to turn me into a monarchist they have to cancel the state visit after that Oval Office disgrace.
After this the invitation should be summarily withdrawn
Trump just said this is great television !!!!!
Note to Starmer and @williamglenn .Lie with dogs get fleas
Moscow and Beijing can surely hardly believe their luck. It's not that Trump is compromised, I don't believe that, but he doesn't need to be.
There was a clip I think before he was President talking about american leaders being as bad Russia's, and Bill O'Reilly saying political leaders are not killers in america, and Trump just shrugging it off. Putin loves when Trump says they are no different.
There’s no chance the state visit gets cancelled. To dis-invite Trump now would lead to a major fallout .
I agree it won’t, but it puts Starmer in a tricky position now. He tried to placate him and get warm words by handing out pretty baubles but unfortunately we have seen the type of person we’re dealing with here.
I’m sure Starmer and the cabinet are under no illusions as to who they’re dealing with .
If only the democrats hadn’t anointed an incompetent clown who flopped badly in the primaries when Biden won as a candidate to stand against Trump. We may not be in this mess.
Yesterday not looking quite such a good day for Starmer.
He has just invited for a second state visit to the UK a US President who has just engaged in a shouting match with Zelensky for not grovelling to him enough for a deal while trying to defend his country from Putin
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I know the realpolitik probably means Ukraine has to play ball here, and hope. But god how depressing.
https://www.livius.org/pictures/england/scalesceugh/scalesceugh-lodge-floortile-of-viiii-hispana/
The c-word rule is being pushed to the limit here.
But Trump is just so obnoxious, and Vance worse. I think they wanted it to be like Vercingetorix being stripped naked and kissing an eagle standard before Caesar as depicted in the old TV show Rome.
It's rip roaring light entertainment of the highest order.
Funny, sad, brutal, moving, utterly unpredictable and never dull.
Are you not entertained?
The visit has to be cancelled
Desperate stuff.
Far too serious
Very shocked that the press pack didn't intervene somehow.
He has now invited for a second state visit to the UK a US President who has just engaged in a shouting match with Zelensky for not grovelling to him enough for a deal while trying to defend his country from Putin. He has gone from Churchill 2 to Neville Chamberlain 2 in 24 hrs
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2025/02/28/zelensky-trump-meeting-white-house-us/?WT.mc_id=e_DM524873&WT.tsrc=email&etype=Edi_FPM_New&utmsource=email&utm_medium=Edi_FPM_New20250228&utm_campaign=DM524873
That went well.
I should think he will remain pretty quiet, there's no sign yet that the public are likely to punish him or Reform over foreign policy concerns.
Not funny at all.
The King cannot welcome Trump now
Can anyone imagine the demonstrations
Just not acceptable and a case could be made for the invite being offered far too soon anyway
Will Starmer? Does he cling onto yesterday?
Suddenly I'm not half the man I used to be
Starmer did what he had to do to avoid Trump's wrath, he did his best for the UK which is what he's paid to do.
But this visit is some time away I think? Couple of years? We may all be eating radiated rats by that point.
"Oh such a shame the diaries don't quite line up, we will come back to you".
No 10 must be saying wtf ! Still I’m sure Trump will be on his best behaviour for the state visit !
My (Centre-rightist Dad) take? It was right to offer the state visit yesterday, to go the extra mile. Unless the US government reverse-ferrets pretty quick, it's right to withdraw that invitation, and to explain why.
In short Anglo-Saxon words, if necessary.
Trump is not fit for a second state visit
They must be running out of fucking champagne.
So I don't know where you are seeing that stuff to justify what seems to be spitting mad fury.,
Has Trump tried to cast it or something ?
Trump is a toddler but has the power to make us all much poorer.
In two years time, hopefully, Congress will no longer be Republican and Trump will be a lame duck.
In that clip you can see he is soooo close to telling Trump to shove it.
I know my wife and I will sign it
There was a clip I think before he was President talking about american leaders being as bad Russia's, and Bill O'Reilly saying political leaders are not killers in america, and Trump just shrugging it off. Putin loves when Trump says they are no different.
Time to get rid of triple lock pensions and reduce/reform/replace pension credits and various other welfarism.
And spend the money on military and industrial security.
I expect everyone will work hard during Trump and then especially after Trump to say things are not as changed as they seem, and people will buy into it publicly, but this kind of change cannot be forgotten, even by those who actively want to put it behind them.
@DPJHodges
I don't care about the Chagos. I don't care about a trade deal. And frankly, after that spectacle, I don't care about "The Special Relationship" anymore. The invite from the King should be rescinded immediately. It's time to take a proper stand against Trump and his thugs."
https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/1895538073481724068
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3299113/critical-moment-china-calls-all-stakeholders-be-part-ukraine-peace-talks
Suspect I'm like many in the UK. What he does with tariffs and other stuff is up to him, I can't get too excited about it and American politics in general.
What I do care about, is Ukraine.
I don't think I have ever had such a feeling about the US as I do now. Not sure it will ever recover in my eyes.
At some point sensible countries have got to say we're not going along with this?
While using the time to strengthen ourselves.
And meantime to stop buying anything made in the USA.
Get a sense of perspective and, yes, it is a shitty thing to do. Not a virtue.
It'd be one thing if we were in a strong position economically or otherwise, but we're not, making reacting as I'm sure they'd prefer to even harder.
I am so angry with the USA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH1bemnt1eY