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Is Mark Carney the man to defeat the Conservatives? – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,254
edited January 7 in General
Is Mark Carney the man to defeat the Conservatives? – politicalbetting.com

Mark Carney (yes, that Mark Carney) opens as 6/5 favourite to replace Justin Trudeau as Liberal Party Leaderhttps://t.co/DIiC9EqRU8 pic.twitter.com/Kyli4i1kId

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  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,038
    First?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,280
    Second!
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,505
    edited January 7
    Innovative PB operational suggestion:

    5 minutes before a new header is posted, TSE or whoever's in charge at the time posts a 5 minute warning in bold on the old thread. Would help to moderate the curse of the new thread and reduce the FPT count.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,365
    "The night they elected Champagne..."
  • CharlieSharkCharlieShark Posts: 264
    The Liberal Party of Canada is not taking the forthcoming election seriously, if this is true.

    Maybe the Green Party of Canada can try and get Lorna Slater back. Please.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,059
    Trump

    Gulf of Mexico to become Gulf of America

    Substantial tariffs on Mexico and Canada
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,059
    Trump

    No windmills to be built
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,229
    Canadians are wildly unpredictable in their vote, so I'd probably lay the Conservatives a little bit if they are very heavily odds on for October tbh.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,315
    Rachel Reeves is shaping up to be a great Chancellor.

    How Rachel Reeves snuffed out Britain’s house price boom

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/property/house-prices/how-rachel-reeves-end-britain-house-price-boom/
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,768
    Might be hard to turn the tide after 10 years, but anything was worth a go based on where they were.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,362
    edited January 7
    Trump really is going to push Europe to pay for its own defence this time isn’t he. The one benefit to world of his approach, because we may have to actually do it.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,315
    edited January 7

    "The night they elected Champagne..."

    The night they went mad for Champagne.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,368
    edited January 7
    ...

    Trump

    No windmills to be built

    He's tilting at them instead.
    Edit: Beaten to it by @Northern_Al .

    The Donald Quixote?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,059
    edited January 7
    Trump says defence spending should be 5% and they can all afford it
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,554

    Rachel Reeves is shaping up to be a great Chancellor.

    How Rachel Reeves snuffed out Britain’s house price boom

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/property/house-prices/how-rachel-reeves-end-britain-house-price-boom/

    Excellent news, if true. With wages rising, a small step on the rocky path towards more affordable housing.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,315

    Rachel Reeves is shaping up to be a great Chancellor.

    How Rachel Reeves snuffed out Britain’s house price boom

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/property/house-prices/how-rachel-reeves-end-britain-house-price-boom/

    Excellent news, if true. With wages rising, a small step on the rocky path towards more affordable housing.
    Indeed.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,368

    Trump says defence spending should be 5% and they can all afford it

    With an aggressive Russian Bear on the loose we will have to. Might help repel Trump/Musk's invasion of the UK plan too.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,315

    "The night they elected Champagne..."

    The night they went mad for Champagne.
    OMG somebody has just told me that François-Philippe Champagne is a lawyer.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,368

    Trump

    Gulf of Mexico to become Gulf of America

    Substantial tariffs on Mexico and Canada

    I genuinely wonder which President is to be replaced by Trump on Mt Rushmore.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,629
    edited January 7
    …..
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,059

    Trump

    Gulf of Mexico to become Gulf of America

    Substantial tariffs on Mexico and Canada

    Two countries with a detailed trade agreement with the US threatened with substantial sanctions. And there are people in the UK who think we should be doing a trade deal with Trump!!

    The US is the UKs biggest export market at 21.7% followed by Germany 7.3% then Ireland at 6.7%

    It is in UKs interest to negotiate a deal with the US
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,637

    Trump

    Gulf of Mexico to become Gulf of America

    Substantial tariffs on Mexico and Canada

    I genuinely wonder which President is to be replaced by Trump on Mt Rushmore.
    Only one?
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,737

    Trump says defence spending should be 5% and they can all afford it

    With an aggressive Russian Bear on the loose we will have to. Might help repel Trump/Musk's invasion of the UK plan too.

    It looks like Greenland and Panama are first on the list.

    It raises an interesting question. If the US does invade Greenland can Denmark invoke NATO Article 5?

  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,629

    Trump

    Gulf of Mexico to become Gulf of America

    Substantial tariffs on Mexico and Canada

    Two countries with a detailed trade agreement with the US threatened with substantial sanctions. And there are people in the UK who think we should be doing a trade deal with Trump!!

    The US is the UKs biggest export market at 21.7% followed by Germany 7.3% then Ireland at 6.7%

    It is in UKs interest to negotiate a deal with the US
    Not a good use of time.

    The agribusiness lobby is way too strong and we should not accept the changes they would insist on

    American food is fundamentally unhealthy except at the very top end.
  • There's a genuine taste of expansionism, to this new Trump term.

    Musk wants Greenland's metal deposits, and a lot of the MAGA would also genuinely love to see parts of Canada and Mexico incorporated.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,906
    edited January 7

    Trump

    No windmills to be built

    Literally, tilting at windmills.
    (edit - I'm slow today.)
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,810

    There's a genuine taste of expansionism, to this new Trump term.

    Musk wants Greenland's metal deposits, and a lot of the MAGA would also genuinely love to see parts of Canada and Mexico incorporated.

    Isn’t it refreshing to have someone who wants to change the world instead of just manage it in charge?
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,737

    Trump

    Gulf of Mexico to become Gulf of America

    Substantial tariffs on Mexico and Canada

    Two countries with a detailed trade agreement with the US threatened with substantial sanctions. And there are people in the UK who think we should be doing a trade deal with Trump!!

    The US is the UKs biggest export market at 21.7% followed by Germany 7.3% then Ireland at 6.7%

    It is in UKs interest to negotiate a deal with the US

    No, the Single Market is the UK's biggest export market.

    A trade deal with the US makes the UK beholden to Trump, a man who does not believe that deals are worth the paper they are written on. Just ask Canada and Mexico.



  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 43,171

    Rachel Reeves is shaping up to be a great Chancellor.

    How Rachel Reeves snuffed out Britain’s house price boom

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/property/house-prices/how-rachel-reeves-end-britain-house-price-boom/

    Yep. We sorely need lower house prices. Then there's the switch of resource from wealthy to poor pensioners with the WFA removal driving better take-up of pensions credit. A significant upgrading of workers rights and the minimum wage. Ending the ruinous public sector strikes. Knocking WASPI on the head. Removing the tax advantages of the inequality machine aka private schools. Landing a big borrowing budget without spooking the markets. She's not doing too badly. She needs to get lucky on growth though and I'm not optimistic about that. There are, to put it mildly, clouds gathering.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,906
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  • novanova Posts: 708

    Rachel Reeves is shaping up to be a great Chancellor.

    How Rachel Reeves snuffed out Britain’s house price boom

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/property/house-prices/how-rachel-reeves-end-britain-house-price-boom/

    Excellent news, if true. With wages rising, a small step on the rocky path towards more affordable housing.
    While a slow reduction in house prices is probably welcome, this is just a nonsense headline.

    Considering it's a 0.2% drop, and we had a 0.9% drop as recently as March, or that last month was a 1.2% rise, it appears to be a nothing stat right now.
  • There's a genuine taste of expansionism, to this new Trump term.

    Musk wants Greenland's metal deposits, and a lot of the MAGA would also genuinely love to see parts of Canada and Mexico incorporated.

    Isn’t it refreshing to have someone who wants to change the world instead of just manage it in charge?
    It's making me think of the 1980"s Pepsi advert. "I want to teach the world to sing.."

    What a precious gift of goodwill Trump is.
    Captain America, with a golden heart.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 57,145
    kinabalu said:

    Rachel Reeves is shaping up to be a great Chancellor.

    How Rachel Reeves snuffed out Britain’s house price boom

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/property/house-prices/how-rachel-reeves-end-britain-house-price-boom/

    Yep. We sorely need lower house prices. Then there's the switch of resource from wealthy to poor pensioners with the WFA removal driving better take-up of pensions credit. A significant upgrading of workers rights and the minimum wage. Ending the ruinous public sector strikes. Knocking WASPI on the head. Removing the tax advantages of the inequality machine aka private schools. Landing a big borrowing budget without spooking the markets. She's not doing too badly. She needs to get lucky on growth though and I'm not optimistic about that. There are, to put it mildly, clouds gathering.
    lol. She has absolutely flatlined growth. See the dismal retail stats over Christmas. A calamitous chancellor. We would literally be better off with Rachel from Accounts
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 43,171

    There's a genuine taste of expansionism, to this new Trump term.

    Musk wants Greenland's metal deposits, and a lot of the MAGA would also genuinely love to see parts of Canada and Mexico incorporated.

    Isn’t it refreshing to have someone who wants to change the world instead of just manage it in charge?
    It depends on the change. This one looks corrupt and ill-intentioned.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,737

    There's a genuine taste of expansionism, to this new Trump term.

    Musk wants Greenland's metal deposits, and a lot of the MAGA would also genuinely love to see parts of Canada and Mexico incorporated.

    Trump has threatened Denmark with a military invasion of Greenland. He has killed NATO today. We all knew he would, of course, but now it's pretty much confirmed. Putin and Xi will be delighted.

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,810

    There's a genuine taste of expansionism, to this new Trump term.

    Musk wants Greenland's metal deposits, and a lot of the MAGA would also genuinely love to see parts of Canada and Mexico incorporated.

    Trump has threatened Denmark with a military invasion of Greenland. He has killed NATO today. We all knew he would, of course, but now it's pretty much confirmed. Putin and Xi will be delighted.

    How has he killed NATO?
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,737

    There's a genuine taste of expansionism, to this new Trump term.

    Musk wants Greenland's metal deposits, and a lot of the MAGA would also genuinely love to see parts of Canada and Mexico incorporated.

    Trump has threatened Denmark with a military invasion of Greenland. He has killed NATO today. We all knew he would, of course, but now it's pretty much confirmed. Putin and Xi will be delighted.

    How has he killed NATO?

    He has threatened to invade the territory of a NATO member state. You don't do that if you believe in, let alone value, NATO.

  • TazTaz Posts: 15,671
    edited January 7
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Rachel Reeves is shaping up to be a great Chancellor.

    How Rachel Reeves snuffed out Britain’s house price boom

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/property/house-prices/how-rachel-reeves-end-britain-house-price-boom/

    Yep. We sorely need lower house prices. Then there's the switch of resource from wealthy to poor pensioners with the WFA removal driving better take-up of pensions credit. A significant upgrading of workers rights and the minimum wage. Ending the ruinous public sector strikes. Knocking WASPI on the head. Removing the tax advantages of the inequality machine aka private schools. Landing a big borrowing budget without spooking the markets. She's not doing too badly. She needs to get lucky on growth though and I'm not optimistic about that. There are, to put it mildly, clouds gathering.
    lol. She has absolutely flatlined growth. See the dismal retail stats over Christmas. A calamitous chancellor. We would literally be better off with Rachel from Accounts
    So far she’s been utterly useless and more tax increases may be on the horizon as a consequence.

    I cannot believe I fell for the govt in waiting schtick. Mugged off doesn’t even enter into it.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,906
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    https://x.com/btibor91/status/1876630816199217208
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,810
    edited January 7

    There's a genuine taste of expansionism, to this new Trump term.

    Musk wants Greenland's metal deposits, and a lot of the MAGA would also genuinely love to see parts of Canada and Mexico incorporated.

    Trump has threatened Denmark with a military invasion of Greenland. He has killed NATO today. We all knew he would, of course, but now it's pretty much confirmed. Putin and Xi will be delighted.

    How has he killed NATO?

    He has threatened to invade the territory of a NATO member state. You don't do that if you believe in, let alone value, NATO.

    Territorial disputes between NATO members are nothing new. Just look at Spain and Gibraltar.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 43,171

    Trump says defence spending should be 5% and they can all afford it

    With an aggressive Russian Bear on the loose we will have to. Might help repel Trump/Musk's invasion of the UK plan too.
    They're going to attack Iran as well as us. I think that's hubris personally. It gives us a fighting chance.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,314

    Trump

    Gulf of Mexico to become Gulf of America

    Substantial tariffs on Mexico and Canada

    Two countries with a detailed trade agreement with the US threatened with substantial sanctions. And there are people in the UK who think we should be doing a trade deal with Trump!!

    The US is the UKs biggest export market at 21.7% followed by Germany 7.3% then Ireland at 6.7%

    It is in UKs interest to negotiate a deal with the US
    Not a good use of time.

    The agribusiness lobby is way too strong and we should not accept the changes they would insist on

    American food is fundamentally unhealthy except at the very top end.
    With Reeves hollowing out UK agriculture we will probably end up with giant US agribusinesses owning UK farms anyway at which point resistance from farmers to a US trade deal goes away.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,906

    Trump

    Gulf of Mexico to become Gulf of America..

    That leaves a problem.

    The Atlantic and the Pacific can't both be the American Ocean.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,980
    MaxPB said:

    Trump

    Gulf of Mexico to become Gulf of America

    Substantial tariffs on Mexico and Canada

    Two countries with a detailed trade agreement with the US threatened with substantial sanctions. And there are people in the UK who think we should be doing a trade deal with Trump!!

    The US is the UKs biggest export market at 21.7% followed by Germany 7.3% then Ireland at 6.7%

    It is in UKs interest to negotiate a deal with the US
    Not a good use of time.

    The agribusiness lobby is way too strong and we should not accept the changes they would insist on

    American food is fundamentally unhealthy except at the very top end.
    With Reeves hollowing out UK agriculture we will probably end up with giant US agribusinesses owning UK farms anyway at which point resistance from farmers to a US trade deal goes away.
    The resistance won't come from farmers, it will come from consumers.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,906

    There's a genuine taste of expansionism, to this new Trump term.

    Musk wants Greenland's metal deposits, and a lot of the MAGA would also genuinely love to see parts of Canada and Mexico incorporated.

    Trump has threatened Denmark with a military invasion of Greenland. He has killed NATO today. We all knew he would, of course, but now it's pretty much confirmed. Putin and Xi will be delighted.

    How has he killed NATO?

    He has threatened to invade the territory of a NATO member state. You don't do that if you believe in, let alone value, NATO.

    Territorial disputes between NATO members are nothing new. Just look at Spain and Gibraltar.
    When you went MAGA, did you also join the Jesuits ?
  • CharlieSharkCharlieShark Posts: 264
    kinabalu said:

    Rachel Reeves is shaping up to be a great Chancellor.

    How Rachel Reeves snuffed out Britain’s house price boom

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/property/house-prices/how-rachel-reeves-end-britain-house-price-boom/

    Yep. We sorely need lower house prices. Then there's the switch of resource from wealthy to poor pensioners with the WFA removal driving better take-up of pensions credit. A significant upgrading of workers rights and the minimum wage. Ending the ruinous public sector strikes. Knocking WASPI on the head. Removing the tax advantages of the inequality machine aka private schools. Landing a big borrowing budget without spooking the markets. She's not doing too badly. She needs to get lucky on growth though and I'm not optimistic about that. There are, to put it mildly, clouds gathering.
    'She's not doing too badly.' Spits out coffee.

    Luckily there is polling to tell us how people think her and the government are doing at the moment. And there is the markets.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,241
    Anybody else just a teeny-weeny bit troubled at the propsect of the Greenland ice-sheets being controlled by Trump?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,906
    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Rachel Reeves is shaping up to be a great Chancellor.

    How Rachel Reeves snuffed out Britain’s house price boom

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/property/house-prices/how-rachel-reeves-end-britain-house-price-boom/

    Yep. We sorely need lower house prices. Then there's the switch of resource from wealthy to poor pensioners with the WFA removal driving better take-up of pensions credit. A significant upgrading of workers rights and the minimum wage. Ending the ruinous public sector strikes. Knocking WASPI on the head. Removing the tax advantages of the inequality machine aka private schools. Landing a big borrowing budget without spooking the markets. She's not doing too badly. She needs to get lucky on growth though and I'm not optimistic about that. There are, to put it mildly, clouds gathering.
    lol. She has absolutely flatlined growth. See the dismal retail stats over Christmas. A calamitous chancellor. We would literally be better off with Rachel from Accounts
    So far she’s been utterly useless and more tax increases may be on the horizon as a consequence.

    I cannot believe I fell for the govt in waiting schtick. Mugged off doesn’t even enter into it.
    "Ming Vase" ought to have been a clue
    It was always a bollocks analogy.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,737

    There's a genuine taste of expansionism, to this new Trump term.

    Musk wants Greenland's metal deposits, and a lot of the MAGA would also genuinely love to see parts of Canada and Mexico incorporated.

    Trump has threatened Denmark with a military invasion of Greenland. He has killed NATO today. We all knew he would, of course, but now it's pretty much confirmed. Putin and Xi will be delighted.

    How has he killed NATO?

    He has threatened to invade the territory of a NATO member state. You don't do that if you believe in, let alone value, NATO.

    Territorial disputes between NATO members are nothing new. Just look at Spain and Gibraltar.

    It's not a territorial dispute, it's the direct threat of an invasion.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,906

    MaxPB said:

    Trump

    Gulf of Mexico to become Gulf of America

    Substantial tariffs on Mexico and Canada

    Two countries with a detailed trade agreement with the US threatened with substantial sanctions. And there are people in the UK who think we should be doing a trade deal with Trump!!

    The US is the UKs biggest export market at 21.7% followed by Germany 7.3% then Ireland at 6.7%

    It is in UKs interest to negotiate a deal with the US
    Not a good use of time.

    The agribusiness lobby is way too strong and we should not accept the changes they would insist on

    American food is fundamentally unhealthy except at the very top end.
    With Reeves hollowing out UK agriculture we will probably end up with giant US agribusinesses owning UK farms anyway at which point resistance from farmers to a US trade deal goes away.
    The resistance won't come from farmers, it will come from consumers.
    Are we talking about Trump again ?
    As in his case, there's a good chance of it being both.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,980

    There's a genuine taste of expansionism, to this new Trump term.

    Musk wants Greenland's metal deposits, and a lot of the MAGA would also genuinely love to see parts of Canada and Mexico incorporated.

    Trump has threatened Denmark with a military invasion of Greenland. He has killed NATO today. We all knew he would, of course, but now it's pretty much confirmed. Putin and Xi will be delighted.

    How has he killed NATO?

    He has threatened to invade the territory of a NATO member state. You don't do that if you believe in, let alone value, NATO.

    Territorial disputes between NATO members are nothing new. Just look at Spain and Gibraltar.
    Greece and Turkey re Cyprus even more so.

    But. The US is the bedrock of Nato. Without it, Nato changes hugely and arguably becomes something else entirely.

    What we should foresee and prepare for is Trump demanding Greenland, and other things like that, in return for continued American membership. At that point, we have to tell Trump where to go.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,239
    edited January 7
    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Rachel Reeves is shaping up to be a great Chancellor.

    How Rachel Reeves snuffed out Britain’s house price boom

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/property/house-prices/how-rachel-reeves-end-britain-house-price-boom/

    Yep. We sorely need lower house prices. Then there's the switch of resource from wealthy to poor pensioners with the WFA removal driving better take-up of pensions credit. A significant upgrading of workers rights and the minimum wage. Ending the ruinous public sector strikes. Knocking WASPI on the head. Removing the tax advantages of the inequality machine aka private schools. Landing a big borrowing budget without spooking the markets. She's not doing too badly. She needs to get lucky on growth though and I'm not optimistic about that. There are, to put it mildly, clouds gathering.
    lol. She has absolutely flatlined growth. See the dismal retail stats over Christmas. A calamitous chancellor. We would literally be better off with Rachel from Accounts
    So far she’s been utterly useless and more tax increases may be on the horizon as a consequence.

    I cannot believe I fell for the govt in waiting schtick. Mugged off doesn’t even enter into it.
    She's only utterly useless for some. If you want to increase the balance of the public sector over the private, increasing the size of the state, and if you don't understand or care about the economy, or how much debt we are in, she's very useful.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 57,145
    edited January 7

    There's a genuine taste of expansionism, to this new Trump term.

    Musk wants Greenland's metal deposits, and a lot of the MAGA would also genuinely love to see parts of Canada and Mexico incorporated.

    Trump has threatened Denmark with a military invasion of Greenland. He has killed NATO today. We all knew he would, of course, but now it's pretty much confirmed. Putin and Xi will be delighted.

    How has he killed NATO?

    He has threatened to invade the territory of a NATO member state. You don't do that if you believe in, let alone value, NATO.

    Actually there is some dispute - legally - as to whether Greenland is “in NATO”. From what I can see on Google anyway

    This does not make Trump’s threats any saner, they are quite funny, in a dark way. If he’s got any good advisors they should tell him he doesn’t even need to invade - from what I know of Greenland (and I’ve been there) they want to cut ties with Denmark. And despite what the Greenlandic leader says, if America offered a sweet enough deal they would join the USA as a kind of cold Puerto Rico, but way more valuable

    There are only 60,000 Greenlanders. Trump could literally offer them each $100,000 = $6bn. That’s nothing to the USA

    They would take it. Heck, I reckon most Brits would take it
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,505
    Trump needs to remember what happened the last time a loony populist attempted to invade a cold windswept island outpost of a European power in the sub-polar Atlantic.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,986

    Trump

    Gulf of Mexico to become Gulf of America

    Substantial tariffs on Mexico and Canada

    Two countries with a detailed trade agreement with the US threatened with substantial sanctions. And there are people in the UK who think we should be doing a trade deal with Trump!!

    The US is the UKs biggest export market at 21.7% followed by Germany 7.3% then Ireland at 6.7%

    It is in UKs interest to negotiate a deal with the US

    No, the Single Market is the UK's biggest export market.

    A trade deal with the US makes the UK beholden to Trump, a man who does not believe that deals are worth the paper they are written on. Just ask Canada and Mexico.



    I think talk of a US trade deal is largely pie in the sky but it's a bit odd to just dismiss it out of hand.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,980
    Nigelb said:

    MaxPB said:

    Trump

    Gulf of Mexico to become Gulf of America

    Substantial tariffs on Mexico and Canada

    Two countries with a detailed trade agreement with the US threatened with substantial sanctions. And there are people in the UK who think we should be doing a trade deal with Trump!!

    The US is the UKs biggest export market at 21.7% followed by Germany 7.3% then Ireland at 6.7%

    It is in UKs interest to negotiate a deal with the US
    Not a good use of time.

    The agribusiness lobby is way too strong and we should not accept the changes they would insist on

    American food is fundamentally unhealthy except at the very top end.
    With Reeves hollowing out UK agriculture we will probably end up with giant US agribusinesses owning UK farms anyway at which point resistance from farmers to a US trade deal goes away.
    The resistance won't come from farmers, it will come from consumers.
    Are we talking about Trump again ?
    As in his case, there's a good chance of it being both.
    Fair point. It's not an either-or.

    But I don't see a UK-US trade deal without the UK being obliged to accept American agricultural produce and standards, and I don't see parliament - pressured by the public - being willing to accept that. Particularly with a majority of Labour MPs.
  • Trump says he needs Greenland for the U.S's national security, and the Panama Canal.

    "America needs living space.. :
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,314
    glw said:

    Leon said:

    I’m not sure now the left will cope with a right wing TwiX, Instagram, and Facebook

    It leaves Google as the last woke outlier and they are crumbling

    They made $26 billion profit in their last quarterly report, up from about $20 billion a year earlier. Google Cloud in particular grew about 35%, and that used to be seen as the weak spot in the Alphabet empire.

    That's some crumbling we could all do with.
    No, Google's position is crumbling. I know more than a few people at Google and they're pretty proud that YouTube is the original free speech platform that didn't throw right wingers off like Twitter was for so long. YouTube is probably one of the few parts of the internet that didn't take sides in the US election in 2016, 2020 or 2024. Internally Google is incredibly results driven and DEI schemes are little more than window dressing. It won't be long until those get binned too now that other American companies have done it (McDonald's being the latest domino).
  • LeonLeon Posts: 57,145
    MaxPB said:

    glw said:

    Leon said:

    I’m not sure now the left will cope with a right wing TwiX, Instagram, and Facebook

    It leaves Google as the last woke outlier and they are crumbling

    They made $26 billion profit in their last quarterly report, up from about $20 billion a year earlier. Google Cloud in particular grew about 35%, and that used to be seen as the weak spot in the Alphabet empire.

    That's some crumbling we could all do with.
    No, Google's position is crumbling. I know more than a few people at Google and they're pretty proud that YouTube is the original free speech platform that didn't throw right wingers off like Twitter was for so long. YouTube is probably one of the few parts of the internet that didn't take sides in the US election in 2016, 2020 or 2024. Internally Google is incredibly results driven and DEI schemes are little more than window dressing. It won't be long until those get binned too now that other American companies have done it (McDonald's being the latest domino).
    Yes. That’s what I meant. I don’t mean Google is crumbling as a corporation I mean their Wokeness is crumbling
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,762

    There's a genuine taste of expansionism, to this new Trump term.

    Musk wants Greenland's metal deposits, and a lot of the MAGA would also genuinely love to see parts of Canada and Mexico incorporated.

    Trump has threatened Denmark with a military invasion of Greenland. He has killed NATO today. We all knew he would, of course, but now it's pretty much confirmed. Putin and Xi will be delighted.

    How has he killed NATO?

    He has threatened to invade the territory of a NATO member state. You don't do that if you believe in, let alone value, NATO.

    Territorial disputes between NATO members are nothing new. Just look at Spain and Gibraltar.

    It's not a territorial dispute, it's the direct threat of an invasion.

    A European army looks all but an inevitability to me. And we would have no choice but to sign up, what with the aggressive rumblings towards the UK we've heard from elements of the Trump administration in recent days. Who'd have thought it?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,059
    edited January 7
    Extraordinary conference by Trump

    He is changing the world order with far reaching consequences

    He said that if all the hostages are not released by his auguration 'all hell will break out'

    He is demanding 5% NATO spending, is to implement substantial tariffs on Mexico and Canada and he was very disparaging about the EU no doubt also with the intention of imposing tariffs

    He has scrapped Bidens ban on oil and gas exploration together with a ban on building wind farms

    It seems he is likely to meet Putin very soon and it looks like he will demand peace within 6 months

    He wants to take back the Panama canal even by force and has Greenland in his sights
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,505

    Anybody else just a teeny-weeny bit troubled at the propsect of the Greenland ice-sheets being controlled by Trump?

    The most significant influence he has over the Greenland ice sheets is in his domestic energy policy.
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,093
    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    glw said:

    Leon said:

    I’m not sure now the left will cope with a right wing TwiX, Instagram, and Facebook

    It leaves Google as the last woke outlier and they are crumbling

    They made $26 billion profit in their last quarterly report, up from about $20 billion a year earlier. Google Cloud in particular grew about 35%, and that used to be seen as the weak spot in the Alphabet empire.

    That's some crumbling we could all do with.
    No, Google's position is crumbling. I know more than a few people at Google and they're pretty proud that YouTube is the original free speech platform that didn't throw right wingers off like Twitter was for so long. YouTube is probably one of the few parts of the internet that didn't take sides in the US election in 2016, 2020 or 2024. Internally Google is incredibly results driven and DEI schemes are little more than window dressing. It won't be long until those get binned too now that other American companies have done it (McDonald's being the latest domino).
    Yes. That’s what I meant. I don’t mean Google is crumbling as a corporation I mean their Wokeness is crumbling
    It’s Reddit, not Google, that will be the last resistor to this swingback.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,229
    biggles said:

    Trump really is going to push Europe to pay for its own defence this time isn’t he. The one benefit to world of his approach, because we may have to actually do it.

    Anglo-French-Polish led defence treaty, maybe with Italy/Germany riding on it and the Baltics/Nordics enthusiastically buttressing.

    Forget the EU leading it.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,505

    Extraordinary conference by Trump

    He is changing the world order with far reaching consequences

    He said that if all the hostages are not released by his auguration 'all hell will break out'

    He is demanding 5% NATO spending, is to implement substantial tariffs on Mexico and Canada and he was very disparaging about the EU no doubt also with the intention of imposing tariffs

    He has scrapped Bidens ban on oil and gas exploration together with a ban on building wind farms

    It seems he is likely to meet Putin very soon and it looks like he will demand peace within 6 months

    He wants to take back the Panama canal even by force and has Greenland in his sights

    The wind farms thing looks to me very much Musk-inspired. They're competition vs solar.
    I assume the states will just tell him to FO, including a number of red states (like Texas) that have vast and growing wind resources.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,737

    There's a genuine taste of expansionism, to this new Trump term.

    Musk wants Greenland's metal deposits, and a lot of the MAGA would also genuinely love to see parts of Canada and Mexico incorporated.

    Trump has threatened Denmark with a military invasion of Greenland. He has killed NATO today. We all knew he would, of course, but now it's pretty much confirmed. Putin and Xi will be delighted.

    How has he killed NATO?

    He has threatened to invade the territory of a NATO member state. You don't do that if you believe in, let alone value, NATO.

    Territorial disputes between NATO members are nothing new. Just look at Spain and Gibraltar.

    It's not a territorial dispute, it's the direct threat of an invasion.

    A European army looks all but an inevitability to me. And we would have no choice but to sign up, what with the aggressive rumblings towards the UK we've heard from elements of the Trump administration in recent days. Who'd have thought it?

    Yep, it does seem as if a choice is going to be forced on the UK some time over the next four years.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,906

    Trump says he needs Greenland for the U.S's national security, and the Panama Canal.

    "America needs living space.. :

    And does not rule out using military force.
    https://x.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1876681621426065625
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,737

    Trump

    Gulf of Mexico to become Gulf of America

    Substantial tariffs on Mexico and Canada

    Two countries with a detailed trade agreement with the US threatened with substantial sanctions. And there are people in the UK who think we should be doing a trade deal with Trump!!

    The US is the UKs biggest export market at 21.7% followed by Germany 7.3% then Ireland at 6.7%

    It is in UKs interest to negotiate a deal with the US

    No, the Single Market is the UK's biggest export market.

    A trade deal with the US makes the UK beholden to Trump, a man who does not believe that deals are worth the paper they are written on. Just ask Canada and Mexico.



    I think talk of a US trade deal is largely pie in the sky but it's a bit odd to just dismiss it out of hand.

    It would not be worth the paper it is written on.

  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,505
    Note how the one person he seems terrified of even remotely threatening is Putin. He's a bully and a coward.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,976

    Extraordinary conference by Trump

    He is changing the world order with far reaching consequences

    He said that if all the hostages are not released by his auguration 'all hell will break out'

    He is demanding 5% NATO spending, is to implement substantial tariffs on Mexico and Canada and he was very disparaging about the EU no doubt also with the intention of imposing tariffs

    He has scrapped Bidens ban on oil and gas exploration together with a ban on building wind farms

    It seems he is likely to meet Putin very soon and it looks like he will demand peace within 6 months

    He wants to take back the Panama canal even by force and has Greenland in his sights

    NATO countries will be raising their defence spending... to protect themselves from invasion by the USA.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,314
    Leon said:

    There's a genuine taste of expansionism, to this new Trump term.

    Musk wants Greenland's metal deposits, and a lot of the MAGA would also genuinely love to see parts of Canada and Mexico incorporated.

    Trump has threatened Denmark with a military invasion of Greenland. He has killed NATO today. We all knew he would, of course, but now it's pretty much confirmed. Putin and Xi will be delighted.

    How has he killed NATO?

    He has threatened to invade the territory of a NATO member state. You don't do that if you believe in, let alone value, NATO.

    Actually there is some dispute - legally - as to whether Greenland is “in NATO”. From what I can see on Google anyway

    This does not make Trump’s threats any saner, they are quite funny, in a dark way. If he’s got any good advisors they should tell him he doesn’t even need to invade - from what I know of Greenland (and I’ve been there) they want to cut ties with Denmark. And despite what the Greenlandic leader says, if America offered a sweet enough deal they would join the USA as a kind of cold Puerto Rico, but way more valuable

    There are only 60,000 Greenlanders. Trump could literally offer them each $100,000 = $6bn. That’s nothing to the USA

    They would take it. Heck, I reckon most Brits would take it
    What's interesting about the Greenland situation is that the people seem to be open to the idea of joining the US, it hasn't been rejected out of hand but I guess that's to be expected given how badly Denmark seems to have neglected the place. If I was the government I'd be worried about our overseas territories choosing this option too given how badly we neglect them.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 57,145
    edited January 7
    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Rachel Reeves is shaping up to be a great Chancellor.

    How Rachel Reeves snuffed out Britain’s house price boom

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/property/house-prices/how-rachel-reeves-end-britain-house-price-boom/

    Yep. We sorely need lower house prices. Then there's the switch of resource from wealthy to poor pensioners with the WFA removal driving better take-up of pensions credit. A significant upgrading of workers rights and the minimum wage. Ending the ruinous public sector strikes. Knocking WASPI on the head. Removing the tax advantages of the inequality machine aka private schools. Landing a big borrowing budget without spooking the markets. She's not doing too badly. She needs to get lucky on growth though and I'm not optimistic about that. There are, to put it mildly, clouds gathering.
    lol. She has absolutely flatlined growth. See the dismal retail stats over Christmas. A calamitous chancellor. We would literally be better off with Rachel from Accounts
    So far she’s been utterly useless and more tax increases may be on the horizon as a consequence.

    I cannot believe I fell for the govt in waiting schtick. Mugged off doesn’t even enter into it.
    The truly unnerving revelation came last week when it was revealed that as Starmer entered number 10 he was dismayed and astonished to find “there was no economic plan”

    it induces, in me, a kind of existential dread for my nation. We are governed, and have been governed for a long while, by outright morons. This applies to the Tories as much as Labour, indeed it applies to the entire governing classes - civil servants, quangos, legal system, judges, the whole shebang. Possibly the monarchy as well

    Sweep it all away
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,729
    edited January 7
    Re yesterday's debate about the Online Safety Act:

    There must be literally millions of posts being made on UK internet forums every single day.

    Whilst numerous posts might be deemed to possibly be in breach of a strict interpretation of the Act it is surely completely impractial to think that the police (and in turn CPS) are going to pursue anything other than the very most serious posts - ie posts in connection with things like suicide.

    Otherwise where on earth would they start?

    I'm not saying I agree with the Act - I don't and I agree with most of the comments posted yesterday. But from a practical point of view I can't see it having any effect on anything which could be considered normal political debate.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,229
    Leon said:

    There's a genuine taste of expansionism, to this new Trump term.

    Musk wants Greenland's metal deposits, and a lot of the MAGA would also genuinely love to see parts of Canada and Mexico incorporated.

    Trump has threatened Denmark with a military invasion of Greenland. He has killed NATO today. We all knew he would, of course, but now it's pretty much confirmed. Putin and Xi will be delighted.

    How has he killed NATO?

    He has threatened to invade the territory of a NATO member state. You don't do that if you believe in, let alone value, NATO.

    Actually there is some dispute - legally - as to whether Greenland is “in NATO”. From what I can see on Google anyway

    This does not make Trump’s threats any saner, they are quite funny, in a dark way. If he’s got any good advisors they should tell him he doesn’t even need to invade - from what I know of Greenland (and I’ve been there) they want to cut ties with Denmark. And despite what the Greenlandic leader says, if America offered a sweet enough deal they would join the USA as a kind of cold Puerto Rico, but way more valuable

    There are only 60,000 Greenlanders. Trump could literally offer them each $100,000 = $6bn. That’s nothing to the USA

    They would take it. Heck, I reckon most Brits would take it
    According to the SSW school of diplomacy, Denmark should be paying the $6bn to the USA to take Greenland off them.

    Oh, and an annual stipend for 99 years.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,810

    There's a genuine taste of expansionism, to this new Trump term.

    Musk wants Greenland's metal deposits, and a lot of the MAGA would also genuinely love to see parts of Canada and Mexico incorporated.

    Trump has threatened Denmark with a military invasion of Greenland. He has killed NATO today. We all knew he would, of course, but now it's pretty much confirmed. Putin and Xi will be delighted.

    How has he killed NATO?

    He has threatened to invade the territory of a NATO member state. You don't do that if you believe in, let alone value, NATO.

    Territorial disputes between NATO members are nothing new. Just look at Spain and Gibraltar.

    It's not a territorial dispute, it's the direct threat of an invasion.

    A European army looks all but an inevitability to me. And we would have no choice but to sign up, what with the aggressive rumblings towards the UK we've heard from elements of the Trump administration in recent days. Who'd have thought it?
    Churchill was forced to give up territory in return for American defence cooperation. Trump is just following in the footsteps of Roosevelt.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,038
    edited January 7

    There's a genuine taste of expansionism, to this new Trump term.

    Musk wants Greenland's metal deposits, and a lot of the MAGA would also genuinely love to see parts of Canada and Mexico incorporated.

    Isn’t it refreshing to have someone who wants to change the world instead of just manage it in charge?
    It's making me think of the 1980"s Pepsi advert. "I want to teach the world to sing.."

    What a precious gift of goodwill Trump is.
    Captain America, with a golden heart.
    Coca Cola. 1970s. I think.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,140
    MikeL said:

    Re yesterday's debate about the Online Safety Act:

    There must be literally millions of posts being made on UK internet forums every single day.

    Whilst numerous posts might be deemed to possibly be in breach of a strict interpretation of the Act it is surely completely impractial to think that the police (and in turn CPS) are going to pursue anything other than the very most serious posts - ie posts in connection with things like suicide.

    Otherwise where on earth would they start?

    I'm not saying I agree with the Act - I don't and I agree with most of the comments posted yesterday. But from a practical point of view I can't see it having any effect on anything which could be considered normal political debate.

    The most serious posts will be those which hurt someone's feelings.

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,229

    MaxPB said:

    Trump

    Gulf of Mexico to become Gulf of America

    Substantial tariffs on Mexico and Canada

    Two countries with a detailed trade agreement with the US threatened with substantial sanctions. And there are people in the UK who think we should be doing a trade deal with Trump!!

    The US is the UKs biggest export market at 21.7% followed by Germany 7.3% then Ireland at 6.7%

    It is in UKs interest to negotiate a deal with the US
    Not a good use of time.

    The agribusiness lobby is way too strong and we should not accept the changes they would insist on

    American food is fundamentally unhealthy except at the very top end.
    With Reeves hollowing out UK agriculture we will probably end up with giant US agribusinesses owning UK farms anyway at which point resistance from farmers to a US trade deal goes away.
    The resistance won't come from farmers, it will come from consumers.
    Provided it's labelled properly "AMERICAN CHICKEN" with a US flag, I'm not sure I'd have a problem with it?

    Fundamentally, I want that choice, not for products to be totally excluded from the market for me; I'll decide thanks.

    We make ethical choices as consumers all the time.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,707
    edited January 7

    There's a genuine taste of expansionism, to this new Trump term.

    Musk wants Greenland's metal deposits, and a lot of the MAGA would also genuinely love to see parts of Canada and Mexico incorporated.

    Isn’t it refreshing to have someone who wants to change the world instead of just manage it in charge?
    Not really, no.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 57,145
    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    There's a genuine taste of expansionism, to this new Trump term.

    Musk wants Greenland's metal deposits, and a lot of the MAGA would also genuinely love to see parts of Canada and Mexico incorporated.

    Trump has threatened Denmark with a military invasion of Greenland. He has killed NATO today. We all knew he would, of course, but now it's pretty much confirmed. Putin and Xi will be delighted.

    How has he killed NATO?

    He has threatened to invade the territory of a NATO member state. You don't do that if you believe in, let alone value, NATO.

    Actually there is some dispute - legally - as to whether Greenland is “in NATO”. From what I can see on Google anyway

    This does not make Trump’s threats any saner, they are quite funny, in a dark way. If he’s got any good advisors they should tell him he doesn’t even need to invade - from what I know of Greenland (and I’ve been there) they want to cut ties with Denmark. And despite what the Greenlandic leader says, if America offered a sweet enough deal they would join the USA as a kind of cold Puerto Rico, but way more valuable

    There are only 60,000 Greenlanders. Trump could literally offer them each $100,000 = $6bn. That’s nothing to the USA

    They would take it. Heck, I reckon most Brits would take it
    What's interesting about the Greenland situation is that the people seem to be open to the idea of joining the US, it hasn't been rejected out of hand but I guess that's to be expected given how badly Denmark seems to have neglected the place. If I was the government I'd be worried about our overseas territories choosing this option too given how badly we neglect them.
    Tbf denmark doesn’t neglect it. The Danes pump in huge subsidies because Denmark is desperate to hold on to it, as possession of this massive chunk of the Arctic makes Denmark feel more important

    However the Greenlandics don’t like it. They grudgingly accept it for now (coz subsidies) but they dislike the patronising colonial aspect - Danes flying in to do the important jobs coz the locals are too drunk and suicidal

    A clever American offer could easily win them over, I suspect. American citizenship, lots of money, protection by the American military. Quite persuasive
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,241
    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    There's a genuine taste of expansionism, to this new Trump term.

    Musk wants Greenland's metal deposits, and a lot of the MAGA would also genuinely love to see parts of Canada and Mexico incorporated.

    Trump has threatened Denmark with a military invasion of Greenland. He has killed NATO today. We all knew he would, of course, but now it's pretty much confirmed. Putin and Xi will be delighted.

    How has he killed NATO?

    He has threatened to invade the territory of a NATO member state. You don't do that if you believe in, let alone value, NATO.

    Actually there is some dispute - legally - as to whether Greenland is “in NATO”. From what I can see on Google anyway

    This does not make Trump’s threats any saner, they are quite funny, in a dark way. If he’s got any good advisors they should tell him he doesn’t even need to invade - from what I know of Greenland (and I’ve been there) they want to cut ties with Denmark. And despite what the Greenlandic leader says, if America offered a sweet enough deal they would join the USA as a kind of cold Puerto Rico, but way more valuable

    There are only 60,000 Greenlanders. Trump could literally offer them each $100,000 = $6bn. That’s nothing to the USA

    They would take it. Heck, I reckon most Brits would take it
    What's interesting about the Greenland situation is that the people seem to be open to the idea of joining the US, it hasn't been rejected out of hand but I guess that's to be expected given how badly Denmark seems to have neglected the place. If I was the government I'd be worried about our overseas territories choosing this option too given how badly we neglect them.
    At $100,000 each, they'd get NE England signing up.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,229

    Anybody else just a teeny-weeny bit troubled at the propsect of the Greenland ice-sheets being controlled by Trump?

    As long as Gerard Butler is deployed there, everything will be fine.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,470
    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    There's a genuine taste of expansionism, to this new Trump term.

    Musk wants Greenland's metal deposits, and a lot of the MAGA would also genuinely love to see parts of Canada and Mexico incorporated.

    Trump has threatened Denmark with a military invasion of Greenland. He has killed NATO today. We all knew he would, of course, but now it's pretty much confirmed. Putin and Xi will be delighted.

    How has he killed NATO?

    He has threatened to invade the territory of a NATO member state. You don't do that if you believe in, let alone value, NATO.

    Actually there is some dispute - legally - as to whether Greenland is “in NATO”. From what I can see on Google anyway

    This does not make Trump’s threats any saner, they are quite funny, in a dark way. If he’s got any good advisors they should tell him he doesn’t even need to invade - from what I know of Greenland (and I’ve been there) they want to cut ties with Denmark. And despite what the Greenlandic leader says, if America offered a sweet enough deal they would join the USA as a kind of cold Puerto Rico, but way more valuable

    There are only 60,000 Greenlanders. Trump could literally offer them each $100,000 = $6bn. That’s nothing to the USA

    They would take it. Heck, I reckon most Brits would take it
    What's interesting about the Greenland situation is that the people seem to be open to the idea of joining the US, it hasn't been rejected out of hand but I guess that's to be expected given how badly Denmark seems to have neglected the place. If I was the government I'd be worried about our overseas territories choosing this option too given how badly we neglect them.
    Tbf denmark doesn’t neglect it. The Danes pump in huge subsidies because Denmark is desperate to hold on to it, as possession of this massive chunk of the Arctic makes Denmark feel more important

    However the Greenlandics don’t like it. They grudgingly accept it for now (coz subsidies) but they dislike the patronising colonial aspect - Danes flying in to do the important jobs coz the locals are too drunk and suicidal

    A clever American offer could easily win them over, I suspect. American citizenship, lots of money, protection by the American military. Quite persuasive
    Wasn't this a feature of several episodes of Borgen?
  • Had it not been for the slightly comical, and orgsnised-at-,the-last-minute, British invasion of Iceland in 1940, the Danes would probably still have Iceland, too.

    As I remember, the Faroese want independence the most.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,810
    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Rachel Reeves is shaping up to be a great Chancellor.

    How Rachel Reeves snuffed out Britain’s house price boom

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/property/house-prices/how-rachel-reeves-end-britain-house-price-boom/

    Yep. We sorely need lower house prices. Then there's the switch of resource from wealthy to poor pensioners with the WFA removal driving better take-up of pensions credit. A significant upgrading of workers rights and the minimum wage. Ending the ruinous public sector strikes. Knocking WASPI on the head. Removing the tax advantages of the inequality machine aka private schools. Landing a big borrowing budget without spooking the markets. She's not doing too badly. She needs to get lucky on growth though and I'm not optimistic about that. There are, to put it mildly, clouds gathering.
    lol. She has absolutely flatlined growth. See the dismal retail stats over Christmas. A calamitous chancellor. We would literally be better off with Rachel from Accounts
    So far she’s been utterly useless and more tax increases may be on the horizon as a consequence.

    I cannot believe I fell for the govt in waiting schtick. Mugged off doesn’t even enter into it.
    The truly unnerving revelation came last week when it was revealed that as Starmer entered number 10 he was dismayed and astonished to find “there was no economic plan”

    it induces, in me, a kind of existential dread for my nation. We are governed, and have been governed for a long while, by outright morons. This applies to the Tories as much as Labour, indeed it applies to the entire governing classes - civil servants, quangos, legal system, judges, the whole shebang. Possibly the monarchy as well

    Sweep it all away
    The US is the basically the only Western country whose politics isn't infantilised by having someone else as their big brother to backstop their security.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,470
    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Rachel Reeves is shaping up to be a great Chancellor.

    How Rachel Reeves snuffed out Britain’s house price boom

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/property/house-prices/how-rachel-reeves-end-britain-house-price-boom/

    Yep. We sorely need lower house prices. Then there's the switch of resource from wealthy to poor pensioners with the WFA removal driving better take-up of pensions credit. A significant upgrading of workers rights and the minimum wage. Ending the ruinous public sector strikes. Knocking WASPI on the head. Removing the tax advantages of the inequality machine aka private schools. Landing a big borrowing budget without spooking the markets. She's not doing too badly. She needs to get lucky on growth though and I'm not optimistic about that. There are, to put it mildly, clouds gathering.
    lol. She has absolutely flatlined growth. See the dismal retail stats over Christmas. A calamitous chancellor. We would literally be better off with Rachel from Accounts
    So far she’s been utterly useless and more tax increases may be on the horizon as a consequence.

    I cannot believe I fell for the govt in waiting schtick. Mugged off doesn’t even enter into it.
    The truly unnerving revelation came last week when it was revealed that as Starmer entered number 10 he was dismayed and astonished to find “there was no economic plan”

    it induces, in me, a kind of existential dread for my nation. We are governed, and have been governed for a long while, by outright morons. This applies to the Tories as much as Labour, indeed it applies to the entire governing classes - civil servants, quangos, legal system, judges, the whole shebang. Possibly the monarchy as well

    Sweep it all away
    “there was no economic plan”

    Wasn't this one of Wilson's things though? UK needed a proper economic plan. He even set up separate department to plan economics as the Treasury couldn't be trusted to do the job.

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,229

    There's a genuine taste of expansionism, to this new Trump term.

    Musk wants Greenland's metal deposits, and a lot of the MAGA would also genuinely love to see parts of Canada and Mexico incorporated.

    Trump has threatened Denmark with a military invasion of Greenland. He has killed NATO today. We all knew he would, of course, but now it's pretty much confirmed. Putin and Xi will be delighted.

    How has he killed NATO?

    He has threatened to invade the territory of a NATO member state. You don't do that if you believe in, let alone value, NATO.

    Territorial disputes between NATO members are nothing new. Just look at Spain and Gibraltar.

    It's not a territorial dispute, it's the direct threat of an invasion.

    A European army looks all but an inevitability to me. And we would have no choice but to sign up, what with the aggressive rumblings towards the UK we've heard from elements of the Trump administration in recent days. Who'd have thought it?
    Churchill was forced to give up territory in return for American defence cooperation. Trump is just following in the footsteps of Roosevelt.
    "Bases for destroyers".

    Which was a crap deal, but we were desperate.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,810

    Had it not been for the slightly comical, and orgsnised-at-,the-last-minute, British invasion of Iceland in 1940, the Danes would probably still have Iceland, too.

    As I remember, the Faroese want independence the most.

    The Faroe Islands should be British. We should be using coercion to stop them slaughtering whales.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,229

    There's a genuine taste of expansionism, to this new Trump term.

    Musk wants Greenland's metal deposits, and a lot of the MAGA would also genuinely love to see parts of Canada and Mexico incorporated.

    Trump has threatened Denmark with a military invasion of Greenland. He has killed NATO today. We all knew he would, of course, but now it's pretty much confirmed. Putin and Xi will be delighted.

    How has he killed NATO?

    He has threatened to invade the territory of a NATO member state. You don't do that if you believe in, let alone value, NATO.

    Territorial disputes between NATO members are nothing new. Just look at Spain and Gibraltar.

    It's not a territorial dispute, it's the direct threat of an invasion.

    A European army looks all but an inevitability to me. And we would have no choice but to sign up, what with the aggressive rumblings towards the UK we've heard from elements of the Trump administration in recent days. Who'd have thought it?
    Churchill was forced to give up territory in return for American defence cooperation. Trump is just following in the footsteps of Roosevelt.
    "Bases for destroyers".

    Which was a crap deal, but we were desperate.
    Although tbf, the 99 year leases (which would still apply now) weren't needed as the US abandoned many of the bases in 1949, and the remaining few were closed by 1995.

    And those 50 x obsolete destroyers I think we'd all mothballed by 1948, although some were reactivated for Korea.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,143

    There's a genuine taste of expansionism, to this new Trump term.

    Musk wants Greenland's metal deposits, and a lot of the MAGA would also genuinely love to see parts of Canada and Mexico incorporated.

    Trump has threatened Denmark with a military invasion of Greenland. He has killed NATO today. We all knew he would, of course, but now it's pretty much confirmed. Putin and Xi will be delighted.

    How has he killed NATO?

    He has threatened to invade the territory of a NATO member state. You don't do that if you believe in, let alone value, NATO.

    Territorial disputes between NATO members are nothing new. Just look at Spain and Gibraltar.

    It's not a territorial dispute, it's the direct threat of an invasion.

    A European army looks all but an inevitability to me. And we would have no choice but to sign up, what with the aggressive rumblings towards the UK we've heard from elements of the Trump administration in recent days. Who'd have thought it?
    And we're relying on the ECHR to save us from the OSB.

    🎵 Ode to joy 🎵
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,766
    edited January 7

    MaxPB said:

    Trump

    Gulf of Mexico to become Gulf of America

    Substantial tariffs on Mexico and Canada

    Two countries with a detailed trade agreement with the US threatened with substantial sanctions. And there are people in the UK who think we should be doing a trade deal with Trump!!

    The US is the UKs biggest export market at 21.7% followed by Germany 7.3% then Ireland at 6.7%

    It is in UKs interest to negotiate a deal with the US
    Not a good use of time.

    The agribusiness lobby is way too strong and we should not accept the changes they would insist on

    American food is fundamentally unhealthy except at the very top end.
    With Reeves hollowing out UK agriculture we will probably end up with giant US agribusinesses owning UK farms anyway at which point resistance from farmers to a US trade deal goes away.
    The resistance won't come from farmers, it will come from consumers.
    Provided it's labelled properly "AMERICAN CHICKEN" with a US flag, I'm not sure I'd have a problem with it?

    Fundamentally, I want that choice, not for products to be totally excluded from the market for me; I'll decide thanks.

    We make ethical choices as consumers all the time.
    If it's in a pie, burger or bucket, how will you know what flag it is flying? How will you exercise that choice?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,766

    There's a genuine taste of expansionism, to this new Trump term.

    Musk wants Greenland's metal deposits, and a lot of the MAGA would also genuinely love to see parts of Canada and Mexico incorporated.

    Trump has threatened Denmark with a military invasion of Greenland. He has killed NATO today. We all knew he would, of course, but now it's pretty much confirmed. Putin and Xi will be delighted.

    How has he killed NATO?

    He has threatened to invade the territory of a NATO member state. You don't do that if you believe in, let alone value, NATO.

    Territorial disputes between NATO members are nothing new. Just look at Spain and Gibraltar.

    It's not a territorial dispute, it's the direct threat of an invasion.

    A European army looks all but an inevitability to me. And we would have no choice but to sign up, what with the aggressive rumblings towards the UK we've heard from elements of the Trump administration in recent days. Who'd have thought it?
    Churchill was forced to give up territory in return for American defence cooperation. Trump is just following in the footsteps of Roosevelt.
    "Bases for destroyers".

    Which was a crap deal, but we were desperate.
    We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,059
    edited January 7

    MaxPB said:

    Trump

    Gulf of Mexico to become Gulf of America

    Substantial tariffs on Mexico and Canada

    Two countries with a detailed trade agreement with the US threatened with substantial sanctions. And there are people in the UK who think we should be doing a trade deal with Trump!!

    The US is the UKs biggest export market at 21.7% followed by Germany 7.3% then Ireland at 6.7%

    It is in UKs interest to negotiate a deal with the US
    Not a good use of time.

    The agribusiness lobby is way too strong and we should not accept the changes they would insist on

    American food is fundamentally unhealthy except at the very top end.
    With Reeves hollowing out UK agriculture we will probably end up with giant US agribusinesses owning UK farms anyway at which point resistance from farmers to a US trade deal goes away.
    The resistance won't come from farmers, it will come from consumers.
    Provided it's labelled properly "AMERICAN CHICKEN" with a US flag, I'm not sure I'd have a problem with it?

    Fundamentally, I want that choice, not for products to be totally excluded from the market for me; I'll decide thanks.

    We make ethical choices as consumers all the time.
    If it's in a pie, burger or bucket, how will you know what flag it is flying? How will you exercise that choice?
    Just buy M & S British produce, not least because they are quality and supports our farmers
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