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The Christmas Eve evening open thread – politicalbetting.com
Are Yorkshire puddings an acceptable part of a Christmas dinner?Acceptable: 83%Unacceptable: 9%https://t.co/nNv3sfrtSD pic.twitter.com/TouWEdsJOg
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Turkey or Goose should have stuffing not Yorkshires. Otherwise have a good Christmas PBers
If you like them, have them. If you don't, don't.
There's no law mandating what is on a Christmas dinner, and it has evolved and changed hugely over the centuries.
It's a type of roast dinner. Yorkshire puddings are an accompaniment of many roast dinners.
if that means Yorkshire puddings as part of Christmas dinner then so be it.
"Thou shalt not have Yorkshire puddings, for they art unholy in mine eyes, thou though shalt have sprouts of the brussel, as they are good. Gravy thou shalt have lots of, and the food coma thereafter is also a worthy time to venerate me."
And in the spirit of Christmas, I might even countenance that.
In the US, of course, a beef roast is a more usual Xmas repast than is turkey.
Though oddly, they have not wholly adopted the Yorkshire pud.
...and definitely don't mention Yorkshire pudding.
Church’s gay marriage opponents could get their own archbishop
Conservative groups warn that a ‘de facto parallel province’ may have to be established within the Church of England
The Church of England could be forced to create a new archbishop to cater to conservatives if efforts to prevent a split over the blessing of same-sex partnerships fails.
The Rev Canon John Dunnett, director of the Church of England Evangelical Council (CEEC), an influential conservative group, is among those calling for a “de facto parallel province” to be created within the church, grouping together parishes that oppose last year’s move to allow priests to bless the unions of gay couples.
If it were legally enshrined as an official province, it “would have to have an archbishop” to oversee it, Dunnett said.
This would be in addition to the archbishoprics of Canterbury and York, whose provinces cover southern and northern England.
Divisions over gay rights extend to the highest levels of the church. Twelve dissenting bishops went public last year to declare they were “unable to support the collective decision” made by the House of Bishops to approve blessing gay couples who are married or are in civil partnerships.
The CEEC forms part of a conservative umbrella group called the Alliance, which counts 2,000 priests as supporters.
The Alliance has issued a warning that if there is “further departure from the church’s doctrine” on sex and marriage, they “will have no choice but rapidly to establish what would in effect be a new
de facto ‘parallel province’ within the Church of England”, which would require “oversight from bishops who remain faithful to orthodox teaching on marriage and sexuality”.
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/religion/article/churchs-gay-marriage-opponents-could-get-their-own-archbishop-dc06fbkgx
I had enough turkey as a child and in busi ess to last me two lifetimes.
I'm off to the pub soon! 🍺
First time I was knackered from work and my parents were overseas, so I had a frozen pizza.
Second time I was staying a hotel and everything on the dinner menu was unsuitable for a good Muslim boy like me so the chef created a nice pizza just for me.
Or you can hold that thought till end of January when I will take two weeks off on a tropical beach to spend a little of my tax-free salary on a lifestyle that would make Leon blush.....
Though note that final quote from the Alliance if 'further departure' ie same sex marriage in C of E churches which there is no sign of there being anywhere near a majority on Synod for given it would for most of them be such a departure from what the Bible and Jesus teach on marriage
On an unrelated but similar Christmas theme and my biggest bugbear of this point of the festive period. Once upon a time the January sales were the big post-Xmas thing. Over time the relentless march of capitalism has pushed that earlier and earlier back to sales beginning Boxing Day. Now you're being pushed the same stuff you just bought everyone for Christmas at massive savings on Christmas Eve and/or the day itself: basically the minute it's too late for it to be delivered via online shopping, the retailers take the view of "now we can call our sale as being on".
I mean I know why in a captive market situation kind of way, but come on, could retailers be a little bit more subtle about how much of a piss-take they are on over this period? From "Black Friday week" all the way till mid-January it's getting a bit ridiculous how much of a frenzy of commercialism we are supposed to want to indulge in.
Angry middle aged man rant ends.
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For the truth is if you are so vehement a supporter of same sex marriages you want even churches to have to do them you are likely to secular and irreligious anyway.
The fastest growing churches in the UK by contrast are Orthodox, Baptist and Pentecostal, none of which offer even the prayers for same sex couples the C of E now does in services let alone same sex marriages
We shall be pairing it with both chicken and salmon. Chicken because my kids think Turkey is just for Thanksgiving, and I don't really care. Salmon, because my wife is a pescatarian.
Vegtables will be roast potatoes, squash and brussels sprouts.
This means in fact that both ACs and Evos in the CoE are split between purists with their own bishops, and moderates who take on board, however doubtfully, the new rules allowing women priests.
Most actual parishes are just ordinary, non extreme, and contain a variety of views and accept the compromises of living with different views about everything. Alternative 'no gays' bishops would lead to there being 4 or 5 different sorts of bishops to choose from. It would split ACs, Evos and centrists into fragments.
This would be crazy.
But I guess you don't consider Unitarianism to be a branch of Christianity.
However yes having a third province for those evangelicals who think gays should either be celibate or become heterosexual would be absurd, especially as such parishes can opt out of the prayers for same sex couples anyway
No one would really wish to eat turkey twice in one year.
I blame the Yorkshire puddings.
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.......
......The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
If you want to have them, have them. One family I know has a large pan Yorkshire pudding with the roast and another large pan Yorkshire for the children's dessert.
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All part of my proposed movie script 'A Christmas Carol 2: Get Scrooged'
We're not making that mistake.
As turkeys became cheaper, they took over in popularity from geese. Perhaps because they were seen as a luxury.
It's a shame, as I've never liked turkey much. It's a very dry meat.
Now Turks... Turks I love.
The fact is unless you want to be a councillor or MP/MSP/AM or have a strong sense of public service most people who join UK political parties now will be ideologues so it is hardly surprising that leftwing ideologues joined Corbyn's Labour Party as members en masse and rightwing ideologues are now joining Farage's Reform Party en masse
Merry Christmas and ode to joy everyone.
Turkey was a Dickensian innovation.
*see also Holmes, and the Adventure of the Blue Carbuncle.
Although I do wonder what his fellow parishioners would think of such an edict...
Ham is simmering on the stove for tomorrow, the caramelised onions for the gratin may have stayed just the right side of being scorched. The gossip is that Richard E Grant is having Christmas Dinner at the award-winning piggery.
That's because you're not pinching the Turkey skin, then reaching under and stuffing gammon ham and mushrooms under it, a la Fanny.
Yes it’s always weird to have to book a day’s leave for Christmas, thankfully I’m lucky enough to be in a place which isn’t dry and which has both the pub and the church close by!
If a British film starring British actors and a British crew made an English speaking film in Spain we wouldn't call that a Spanish film.