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It’s the NHS, stupid? – politicalbetting.com

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It’s the NHS, stupid? – politicalbetting.com

Keir Starmer today outlined six key targets for the government, but which do the public most want to see achieved?NHS waiting times: 37%Living standards: 24%Renewable energy: 9%Extra police: 8%New houses: 6%Ready for school: 3%https://t.co/DqwQOV6Nrc pic.twitter.com/F34dmDzj24

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  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,146
    edited December 8
    "An increase in disposable household income in real terms"

    That's about the most modest possible target a government could credibly set.

    Albeit one that, on the evidence of the last budget, the collapse in business confidence since the election and their general incompetence, they may well fail spectacularly to meet.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,864
    FPT
    Penddu2 said:

    Interesting rumours circulating on Twix that Assad's plane may have been shot down near Homs.. There appears to have been a Russian IL-76 plane crash - not clear if was a crash or shot down - no confirmation that Asad was on board.

    Huge if true... Could Russia be taking its revenge on its failed puppet for losing Russia it's only Mediterranean port

    Possibly, but we can't confirm it until we know if Assad was pushed out of the window first.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,062
    The Russian withdrawal from Syria, makes the US withdrawal from Afghanistan look like it was well organised and brilliantly executed.

    What a shame for Putin’s 21st Century Potemkin army.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,276
    A bit ironic that Tory voters prioritise the NHS, when it is their party that has allowed it to rot.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,146
    FPT

    Before I went to bed last night, I nearly wrote a post saying: "Remember that the Syrian rebels have been in the outskirts of Damascus before, only a few miles from the centre. What we're seeing at the moment does not necessarily mean that Assad and Damascus is going to fall."

    But I didn't, as other matters intruded. I thought I'd post it this morning.

    Events rather overtook me.

    It takes a great man to admit when he was (sort of) wrong so well done.

    It's something we could all with advantage do more often I think.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,505
    As a recent-ish patient in several places, it seems to me that some management by walking around could harvest some low hanging fruit.

    For instance, my test last week included:-
    • the appointment letter being delivered literally as I left for the appointment
    • a booklet badly put together
    • a booklet that referred to the wrong hospital
    • signposting that ended short of the destination
    • some guesswork as to the correct waiting area
    • confusing directions about gowns
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,485
    Fishing said:

    "An increase in disposable household income in real terms"

    That's about the most modest possible target they could credibly set.

    Albeit one that, on the evidence of the last budget, the collapse in business confidence since the election and their general incompetence, they may well fail spectacularly to meet.

    Even more modest than cutting inflation after the energy price spike?

    But in terms of the headline, healthcare could be Reform's Achilles heel (not treatable in 18 weeks). It's where the gap between their management and followership is most stark.

    A smart Conservative party ought to be capable of exploiting that. Do we have one of those?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,864
    Sandpit said:

    The Russian withdrawal from Syria, makes the US withdrawal from Afghanistan look like it was well organised and brilliantly executed.

    What a shame for Putin’s 21st Century Potemkin army.

    I wouldn't celebrate too soon. Putin needs a win, fast, and the only place he can get it is Ukraine.

    They are also struggling and a major Russian push could see a sudden collapse.

    It would be a grim irony if the disaster Russia has suffered in the ME led to a mirror effect in Ukraine.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,185
    ydoethur said:

    FPT

    Penddu2 said:

    Interesting rumours circulating on Twix that Assad's plane may have been shot down near Homs.. There appears to have been a Russian IL-76 plane crash - not clear if was a crash or shot down - no confirmation that Asad was on board.

    Huge if true... Could Russia be taking its revenge on its failed puppet for losing Russia it's only Mediterranean port

    Possibly, but we can't confirm it until we know if Assad was pushed out of the window first.
    If true, he was heading north toward Russia and not south towards a Gulf bolt hole
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,062
    There’s Twitter rumours that one Syrian IL-76 transport plane has crashed. It disappeared from radar following a rapid descent.

    Speculation that it might have been Assad’s plane, and more speculation that the Israelis might have shot it down!

    https://x.com/agentisgeop/status/1865670173824278915
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,185
    Meanwhile, the Sunday Rawnsley on a grey and not-as-windy-as-they-said morning:

    Be as cynical about it as you like, you can’t fairly accuse the military and intelligence chiefs of crying wolf when they describe a world pulsing with perils. The Treasury regards the Ministry of Defence as a wasteful money pit – as indeed it often has been – and will balk at handing substantial additional funds to the military. But it is hard to see how we are not going to be spending extra on security and many analysts already think it will have to be more like 3% of GDP.

    Downing Street is putting a lot of faith – much too much, I fear – in its ability to influence the Trump White House for the better. Where there needs to be hard thinking, there appears to be a lot of the wishful variety.

    I hear some ministers here making self-congratulatory noises about Britain being a haven of “stability” in a turbulent world. But it is not an advantage to the UK that its most significant allies among the European democracies are dysfunctional and Mr Maga is about to unleash his special brand of mayhem from the Oval Office. It has never looked more exposed to be Brexit Britain adrift somewhere in the middle of the Atlantic as the waves get larger and choppier.

    There is reason to wonder whether Sir Keir has fully grasped the scale and the acuity of the challenges. His recent address at Mansion House, the first major speech devoted to international affairs since he became prime minister, essentially denied that the UK is facing any strategic dilemmas. The idea that Britain can be besties with both the US and Europe is out of the Tony Blair playbook before 9/11 shook the geopolitical kaleidoscope. The Blair bridge collapsed when he joined the American invasion of Iraq, which France, Germany and most of the rest of the EU opposed.

    Stephen Moore, a senior economic adviser to the incoming president, expressed the Trump worldview when he recently declared that Britain had to pick between aligning with the US and trying to get closer to the EU. Remarks made by other Trump advisers suggest it is very likely that he will present the Starmer government with demands designed to drive wedges between Britain and its neighbours. Sir Keir may not want to choose a side, but he may find himself compelled to if the US triggers a full-blown global trade war.

    Another and even more severe test will present itself if...Trump attempts to coerce Ukraine into an armistice that rewards Russian aggression by leaving the Kremlin in possession of vast chunks of stolen territory. Will the UK be prepared to incur the wrath of the White House by resisting a “dirty peace”? Or will the Starmer government abase itself by going along with a sell-out of the Ukrainians that would throw European security into even greater jeopardy? Sir Keir is trying to smooth over the hard choices, but he won’t be able to swerve them for all that much longer.

  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,112
    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    The Russian withdrawal from Syria, makes the US withdrawal from Afghanistan look like it was well organised and brilliantly executed.

    What a shame for Putin’s 21st Century Potemkin army.

    I wouldn't celebrate too soon. Putin needs a win, fast, and the only place he can get it is Ukraine.

    They are also struggling and a major Russian push could see a sudden collapse.

    It would be a grim irony if the disaster Russia has suffered in the ME led to a mirror effect in Ukraine.
    I don't think the two are really connected. Putin always needed a win in Ukraine much more than in Syria, hence the ground support in the latter was very limited.

    The presumed loss of a naval base and airport on the Mediterranean is bad news for Russia whichever way you look at it.

    The presumed loss of a land passage to Lebanon is bad news for Iran and Hezbollah.

    It's too early to say it any good will come of this got Syrians or for the West. It may end up being worse for both. But it's definitely a defeat for some of our main foes.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,249
    Foxy said:

    As a recent-ish patient in several places, it seems to me that some management by walking around could harvest some low hanging fruit.

    For instance, my test last week included:-

    • the appointment letter being delivered literally as I left for the appointment
    • a booklet badly put together
    • a booklet that referred to the wrong hospital
    • signposting that ended short of the destination
    • some guesswork as to the correct waiting area
    • confusing directions about gowns
    So, investment needed in admin, rather than front line clinicians? 🤔
    Think holistically. From Mrs Miggins asking her GP about a slightly odd case of the sniffles to signing off at the end of her post operative care. It’s a journey. How to make the whole thing faster, better and cheaper.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,249
    IanB2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    FPT

    Penddu2 said:

    Interesting rumours circulating on Twix that Assad's plane may have been shot down near Homs.. There appears to have been a Russian IL-76 plane crash - not clear if was a crash or shot down - no confirmation that Asad was on board.

    Huge if true... Could Russia be taking its revenge on its failed puppet for losing Russia it's only Mediterranean port

    Possibly, but we can't confirm it until we know if Assad was pushed out of the window first.
    If true, he was heading north toward Russia and not south towards a Gulf bolt hole
    That’s not improbable - Putin would take him in for sure, whereas most of the states in the region would want to negotiate it, if not reject him.

    So I could see him going to Moscow, initially.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,972
    edited December 8
    Surprising, and a little frightening, that new homes and education are so low.

    The neo-feudal gerontocracy is real. Looking at the age breakdowns, pensioners have very little interest in the economy and housing. I think that is the root political cause for why the economy is so lethargic. Time to link their pensions to real wages and levy council tax based on home values.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,313
    Foxy said:

    As a recent-ish patient in several places, it seems to me that some management by walking around could harvest some low hanging fruit.

    For instance, my test last week included:-

    • the appointment letter being delivered literally as I left for the appointment
    • a booklet badly put together
    • a booklet that referred to the wrong hospital
    • signposting that ended short of the destination
    • some guesswork as to the correct waiting area
    • confusing directions about gowns
    So, investment needed in admin, rather than front line clinicians? 🤔
    Or maybe as well as.

    I have a slightly dodgy left thumb, it has been painful and "clicky" for a while. It needs looking at. Preferably on a Friday when I don't work. But I'm right handed so it's not my favourite digit, there's no rush.

    I haven't worked out how to book an appointment yet. The surgery website tells me I can book on line but the NHS app consistently tells me there's nothing available. There is no point requesting a teleconsult as someone needs to look at it. In any case, last time I had one of those I missed it, because the doctor rang at a random time and I was unable to get to my phone in time. Neither do they ring twice. Presumably I could join a telephone queue early in the morning but it's not an emergency.

    In contrast, Specsavers tell me it's time to have a new hearing test so I go online and book it at a time of my choosing, at the end of a working day so I only have to leave work a few minutes early. Yes it was a few weeks ahead, but again it's not urgent, convenience was more important.

    So, yes, the admin certainly has to improve.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,263
    The suggestion Farage will sort out hospital waiting times when he can't be bothered to turn up in parliament and his constituency is preposterous.

    Doesn't mean he won't win however.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,020
    edited December 8

    IanB2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    FPT

    Penddu2 said:

    Interesting rumours circulating on Twix that Assad's plane may have been shot down near Homs.. There appears to have been a Russian IL-76 plane crash - not clear if was a crash or shot down - no confirmation that Asad was on board.

    Huge if true... Could Russia be taking its revenge on its failed puppet for losing Russia it's only Mediterranean port

    Possibly, but we can't confirm it until we know if Assad was pushed out of the window first.
    If true, he was heading north toward Russia and not south towards a Gulf bolt hole
    That’s not improbable - Putin would take him in for sure, whereas most of the states in the region would want to negotiate it, if not reject him.

    So I could see him going to Moscow, initially.
    Moscow was apparently where Assad's family had decamped about 10 days ago. The internal Syrian/Russian assessments must have accurately judged that the regime was at grave risk of falling - and they could do little to prevent it.

    They probably had enough time to completely loot the treasury in Damascus.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,246

    Foxy said:

    As a recent-ish patient in several places, it seems to me that some management by walking around could harvest some low hanging fruit.

    For instance, my test last week included:-

    • the appointment letter being delivered literally as I left for the appointment
    • a booklet badly put together
    • a booklet that referred to the wrong hospital
    • signposting that ended short of the destination
    • some guesswork as to the correct waiting area
    • confusing directions about gowns
    So, investment needed in admin, rather than front line clinicians? 🤔
    Or maybe as well as.

    I have a slightly dodgy left thumb, it has been painful and "clicky" for a while. It needs looking at. Preferably on a Friday when I don't work. But I'm right handed so it's not my favourite digit, there's no rush.

    I haven't worked out how to book an appointment yet. The surgery website tells me I can book on line but the NHS app consistently tells me there's nothing available. There is no point requesting a teleconsult as someone needs to look at it. In any case, last time I had one of those I missed it, because the doctor rang at a random time and I was unable to get to my phone in time. Neither do they ring twice. Presumably I could join a telephone queue early in the morning but it's not an emergency.

    In contrast, Specsavers tell me it's time to have a new hearing test so I go online and book it at a time of my choosing, at the end of a working day so I only have to leave work a few minutes early. Yes it was a few weeks ahead, but again it's not urgent, convenience was more important.

    So, yes, the admin certainly has to improve.
    For such booking schemes to work there has to be capacity (and in your case capacity for someone who knows about hands, on a friday).

    Specsavers makes more money if it creates fresh capacity, the NHS does not, it has a finite budget.

    So the reduction in 18 week waits to what they were in 2010 is the base for what you need.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,313
    FF43 said:

    The suggestion Farage will sort out hospital waiting times when he can't be bothered to turn up in parliament and his constituency is preposterous.

    Doesn't mean he won't win however.

    I fail to see a correlation between constituency surgeries or talking shit in Parliament, and executive competence.

    You are probably right though, but for different reasons, ie I can't believe Farage has any interest in making the NHS work, it would just be Tories on stilts
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,864

    IanB2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    FPT

    Penddu2 said:

    Interesting rumours circulating on Twix that Assad's plane may have been shot down near Homs.. There appears to have been a Russian IL-76 plane crash - not clear if was a crash or shot down - no confirmation that Asad was on board.

    Huge if true... Could Russia be taking its revenge on its failed puppet for losing Russia it's only Mediterranean port

    Possibly, but we can't confirm it until we know if Assad was pushed out of the window first.
    If true, he was heading north toward Russia and not south towards a Gulf bolt hole
    That’s not improbable - Putin would take him in for sure, whereas most of the states in the region would want to negotiate it, if not reject him.

    So I could see him going to Moscow, initially.
    Moscow was apparently where Assad's family had decamped about 10 days ago. The internal Syrian/Russian assessments must have accurately judged that the regime was at grave risk of falling - and they could do little to prevent it.

    They probably had enough time to completely loot the treasury in Damascus.
    I'm sure those fifty dollars will come in handy somewhere.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,137
    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    The Russian withdrawal from Syria, makes the US withdrawal from Afghanistan look like it was well organised and brilliantly executed.

    What a shame for Putin’s 21st Century Potemkin army.

    I wouldn't celebrate too soon. Putin needs a win, fast, and the only place he can get it is Ukraine.

    They are also struggling and a major Russian push could see a sudden collapse.

    It would be a grim irony if the disaster Russia has suffered in the ME led to a mirror effect in Ukraine.
    And an utter disaster if Syria falls to the jihadi rebels and Putin makes further incursions into Ukraine before Trump tries and imposes a peace deal
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,249

    IanB2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    FPT

    Penddu2 said:

    Interesting rumours circulating on Twix that Assad's plane may have been shot down near Homs.. There appears to have been a Russian IL-76 plane crash - not clear if was a crash or shot down - no confirmation that Asad was on board.

    Huge if true... Could Russia be taking its revenge on its failed puppet for losing Russia it's only Mediterranean port

    Possibly, but we can't confirm it until we know if Assad was pushed out of the window first.
    If true, he was heading north toward Russia and not south towards a Gulf bolt hole
    That’s not improbable - Putin would take him in for sure, whereas most of the states in the region would want to negotiate it, if not reject him.

    So I could see him going to Moscow, initially.
    Moscow was apparently where Assad's family had decamped about 10 days ago. The internal Syrian/Russian assessments must have accurately judged that the regime was at grave risk of falling - and they could do little to prevent it.

    They probably had enough time to completely loot the treasury in Damascus.
    I’d have bet the gold was long gone. To Moscow.
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,094
    Eabhal said:

    Surprising, and a little frightening, that new homes and education are so low.

    The neo-feudal gerontocracy is real. Looking at the age breakdowns, pensioners have very little interest in the economy and housing. I think that is the root political cause for why the economy is so lethargic. Time to link their pensions to real wages and levy council tax based on home values.

    Both strike me as eminently reasonable but unlikely given the current govt ruled out reform in these areas during the campaign. They should have just done it, got it out the way, and took the hit at the start of their term.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,558
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    The Russian withdrawal from Syria, makes the US withdrawal from Afghanistan look like it was well organised and brilliantly executed.

    What a shame for Putin’s 21st Century Potemkin army.

    I wouldn't celebrate too soon. Putin needs a win, fast, and the only place he can get it is Ukraine.

    They are also struggling and a major Russian push could see a sudden collapse.

    It would be a grim irony if the disaster Russia has suffered in the ME led to a mirror effect in Ukraine.
    And an utter disaster if Syria falls to the jihadi rebels and Putin makes further incursions into Ukraine before Trump tries and imposes a peace deal
    It's clear that in your mind, anyone who is not Christian is a Jihadi rebel... ;)

    Your takes on this situation have been truly awful.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,246
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    The Russian withdrawal from Syria, makes the US withdrawal from Afghanistan look like it was well organised and brilliantly executed.

    What a shame for Putin’s 21st Century Potemkin army.

    I wouldn't celebrate too soon. Putin needs a win, fast, and the only place he can get it is Ukraine.

    They are also struggling and a major Russian push could see a sudden collapse.

    It would be a grim irony if the disaster Russia has suffered in the ME led to a mirror effect in Ukraine.
    And an utter disaster if Syria falls to the jihadi rebels and Putin makes further incursions into Ukraine before Trump tries and imposes a peace deal
    That "If" is a few days behind the curve. Even the Alawites of Latakia are pulling down the Assad statues.

    It's a bad week for right wing authoritarians in Syria, Moscow and South Korea.

    Do you hear the people sing?
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,313
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    As a recent-ish patient in several places, it seems to me that some management by walking around could harvest some low hanging fruit.

    For instance, my test last week included:-

    • the appointment letter being delivered literally as I left for the appointment
    • a booklet badly put together
    • a booklet that referred to the wrong hospital
    • signposting that ended short of the destination
    • some guesswork as to the correct waiting area
    • confusing directions about gowns
    So, investment needed in admin, rather than front line clinicians? 🤔
    Or maybe as well as.

    I have a slightly dodgy left thumb, it has been painful and "clicky" for a while. It needs looking at. Preferably on a Friday when I don't work. But I'm right handed so it's not my favourite digit, there's no rush.

    I haven't worked out how to book an appointment yet. The surgery website tells me I can book on line but the NHS app consistently tells me there's nothing available. There is no point requesting a teleconsult as someone needs to look at it. In any case, last time I had one of those I missed it, because the doctor rang at a random time and I was unable to get to my phone in time. Neither do they ring twice. Presumably I could join a telephone queue early in the morning but it's not an emergency.

    In contrast, Specsavers tell me it's time to have a new hearing test so I go online and book it at a time of my choosing, at the end of a working day so I only have to leave work a few minutes early. Yes it was a few weeks ahead, but again it's not urgent, convenience was more important.

    So, yes, the admin certainly has to improve.
    For such booking schemes to work there has to be capacity (and in your case capacity for someone who knows about hands, on a friday).

    Specsavers makes more money if it creates fresh capacity, the NHS does not, it has a finite budget.

    So the reduction in 18 week waits to what they were in 2010 is the base for what you need.
    I can't book someone who knows about hands, though, I have to talk to my GP first, who if he does know about hands it will be a surprise, he will then have to decide there is indeed a problem with my hand and I need to see someone who knows about hands. I wouldn't mind an 18 week wait if I could just more easily get into the system. I will try harder next week and see if any appointments are available to book online early in the morning. The problem with phoning at 8am or whenever the phone lines open is that that is exactly when I need to be on my way to work. Which is great if I have gone down with the lurgy and need to take time off, but not otherwise.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,558

    IanB2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    FPT

    Penddu2 said:

    Interesting rumours circulating on Twix that Assad's plane may have been shot down near Homs.. There appears to have been a Russian IL-76 plane crash - not clear if was a crash or shot down - no confirmation that Asad was on board.

    Huge if true... Could Russia be taking its revenge on its failed puppet for losing Russia it's only Mediterranean port

    Possibly, but we can't confirm it until we know if Assad was pushed out of the window first.
    If true, he was heading north toward Russia and not south towards a Gulf bolt hole
    That’s not improbable - Putin would take him in for sure, whereas most of the states in the region would want to negotiate it, if not reject him.

    So I could see him going to Moscow, initially.
    Moscow was apparently where Assad's family had decamped about 10 days ago. The internal Syrian/Russian assessments must have accurately judged that the regime was at grave risk of falling - and they could do little to prevent it.

    They probably had enough time to completely loot the treasury in Damascus.
    I’d have bet the gold was long gone. To Moscow.
    Assad may well have been paying Russia for their help over the last few years. Alternatively, the Russian bases were the payment; but Assad would not have been negotiating from a position of strength.

    Besides, this thirteen-year conflict would have been absolutely disastrous for Syrian finances. I've seen never-ending analysis of Russia and Ukraine's economies over the last three years, but nothing on Syria's. How was the regime paying for itself, given they were at war and large swathes of the country were not under their control?
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,804
    IanB2 said:



    Another and even more severe test will present itself if...Trump attempts to coerce Ukraine into an armistice that rewards Russian aggression by leaving the Kremlin in possession of vast chunks of stolen territory. Will the UK be prepared to incur the wrath of the White House by resisting a “dirty peace”? Or will the Starmer government abase itself by going along with a sell-out of the Ukrainians that would throw European security into even greater jeopardy? Sir Keir is trying to smooth over the hard choices, but he won’t be able to swerve them for all that much longer.

    Christ, despite the world class haircut, Rawnsley is a boring writer. He should get a login on here.

    This last bit is particularly facile. We all know exactly what SKS will do if DJT tells Ukraine to do a deal. He'll toe the line and gargle those droopy orange balls just like any other British PM would.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,913
    The selections of targets, KPIs and milestones by government is populist nonsense and can't work. In our sort of country the state as a whole has taken to itself the responsibility and workings of about half of all measurable activity. It's called social democracy. It has to run all of it competently and well. Not select bits for our attention. When it does that, the public simply shift the goalposts, and rightly so.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,246

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    As a recent-ish patient in several places, it seems to me that some management by walking around could harvest some low hanging fruit.

    For instance, my test last week included:-

    • the appointment letter being delivered literally as I left for the appointment
    • a booklet badly put together
    • a booklet that referred to the wrong hospital
    • signposting that ended short of the destination
    • some guesswork as to the correct waiting area
    • confusing directions about gowns
    So, investment needed in admin, rather than front line clinicians? 🤔
    Or maybe as well as.

    I have a slightly dodgy left thumb, it has been painful and "clicky" for a while. It needs looking at. Preferably on a Friday when I don't work. But I'm right handed so it's not my favourite digit, there's no rush.

    I haven't worked out how to book an appointment yet. The surgery website tells me I can book on line but the NHS app consistently tells me there's nothing available. There is no point requesting a teleconsult as someone needs to look at it. In any case, last time I had one of those I missed it, because the doctor rang at a random time and I was unable to get to my phone in time. Neither do they ring twice. Presumably I could join a telephone queue early in the morning but it's not an emergency.

    In contrast, Specsavers tell me it's time to have a new hearing test so I go online and book it at a time of my choosing, at the end of a working day so I only have to leave work a few minutes early. Yes it was a few weeks ahead, but again it's not urgent, convenience was more important.

    So, yes, the admin certainly has to improve.
    For such booking schemes to work there has to be capacity (and in your case capacity for someone who knows about hands, on a friday).

    Specsavers makes more money if it creates fresh capacity, the NHS does not, it has a finite budget.

    So the reduction in 18 week waits to what they were in 2010 is the base for what you need.
    I can't book someone who knows about hands, though, I have to talk to my GP first, who if he does know about hands it will be a surprise, he will then have to decide there is indeed a problem with my hand and I need to see someone who knows about hands. I wouldn't mind an 18 week wait if I could just more easily get into the system. I will try harder next week and see if any appointments are available to book online early in the morning. The problem with phoning at 8am or whenever the phone lines open is that that is exactly when I need to be on my way to work. Which is great if I have gone down with the lurgy and need to take time off, but not otherwise.
    Yep, hence the priority on GP services in Streetings plans.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,558
    Ratters said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    The Russian withdrawal from Syria, makes the US withdrawal from Afghanistan look like it was well organised and brilliantly executed.

    What a shame for Putin’s 21st Century Potemkin army.

    I wouldn't celebrate too soon. Putin needs a win, fast, and the only place he can get it is Ukraine.

    They are also struggling and a major Russian push could see a sudden collapse.

    It would be a grim irony if the disaster Russia has suffered in the ME led to a mirror effect in Ukraine.
    I don't think the two are really connected. Putin always needed a win in Ukraine much more than in Syria, hence the ground support in the latter was very limited.

    The presumed loss of a naval base and airport on the Mediterranean is bad news for Russia whichever way you look at it.

    The presumed loss of a land passage to Lebanon is bad news for Iran and Hezbollah.

    It's too early to say it any good will come of this got Syrians or for the West. It may end up being worse for both. But it's definitely a defeat for some of our main foes.
    Also remember; the US (and allegedly us) have been helping several of the rebel groups. For them, we are, if not the 'good' guys, the better guys. Russia and Iran, and their allies, are certainly the bad guys in their eyes. Syria will be in chaos, and will need investment. They will not be looking at Russia and Iran for that.

    That situation might not last long, but it's an opportunity. Perhaps for China more than us, though they might be reluctant to deal with Xi.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,864
    IanB2 said:

    Sir Keir is trying to smooth over the hard choices, but he won’t be able to swerve them for all that much longer.

    Ugh. Dreadful mixed metaphor.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,137
    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    The Russian withdrawal from Syria, makes the US withdrawal from Afghanistan look like it was well organised and brilliantly executed.

    What a shame for Putin’s 21st Century Potemkin army.

    I wouldn't celebrate too soon. Putin needs a win, fast, and the only place he can get it is Ukraine.

    They are also struggling and a major Russian push could see a sudden collapse.

    It would be a grim irony if the disaster Russia has suffered in the ME led to a mirror effect in Ukraine.
    And an utter disaster if Syria falls to the jihadi rebels and Putin makes further incursions into Ukraine before Trump tries and imposes a peace deal
    That "If" is a few days behind the curve. Even the Alawites of Latakia are pulling down the Assad statues.

    It's a bad week for right wing authoritarians in Syria, Moscow and South Korea.

    Do you hear the people sing?
    No they aren't, there are non Alawites in Latakia too. The Alawites will be persecuted if not outright massacred once the jihadi militants take over for their links to Assad.

    When the statues of Gaddaffi and Saddam fell there were celebrations in the West for a week too before the months and years of chaos and bombs and fighting and terrorist militancy that followed. I doubt Syria now will be that different
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,137
    edited December 8

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    The Russian withdrawal from Syria, makes the US withdrawal from Afghanistan look like it was well organised and brilliantly executed.

    What a shame for Putin’s 21st Century Potemkin army.

    I wouldn't celebrate too soon. Putin needs a win, fast, and the only place he can get it is Ukraine.

    They are also struggling and a major Russian push could see a sudden collapse.

    It would be a grim irony if the disaster Russia has suffered in the ME led to a mirror effect in Ukraine.
    And an utter disaster if Syria falls to the jihadi rebels and Putin makes further incursions into Ukraine before Trump tries and imposes a peace deal
    It's clear that in your mind, anyone who is not Christian is a Jihadi rebel... ;)

    Your takes on this situation have been truly awful.
    The rebels are led by Al Qaeda linked militants and ISIS are beginning to make a resurgence too in parts of Syria as the rebels pushed against Assad's regime.

    It is what Syria looks like this time next year or in 2030 that is significant, not some celebrations over statues falling this week
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,505
    Donald Trump's pick to be the US's new Surgeon General shot her father dead aged 13
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14169551/Donald-Trump-new-Surgeon-General-shot-dead-father-aged-13.html (£££)

    As this is the medical thread.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,558
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    The Russian withdrawal from Syria, makes the US withdrawal from Afghanistan look like it was well organised and brilliantly executed.

    What a shame for Putin’s 21st Century Potemkin army.

    I wouldn't celebrate too soon. Putin needs a win, fast, and the only place he can get it is Ukraine.

    They are also struggling and a major Russian push could see a sudden collapse.

    It would be a grim irony if the disaster Russia has suffered in the ME led to a mirror effect in Ukraine.
    And an utter disaster if Syria falls to the jihadi rebels and Putin makes further incursions into Ukraine before Trump tries and imposes a peace deal
    It's clear that in your mind, anyone who is not Christian is a Jihadi rebel... ;)

    Your takes on this situation have been truly awful.
    The rebels are led by Al Qaeda linked militants and ISIS are beginning to make a resurgence too in parts of Syria as the rebels pushed against Assad's regime.

    It is what Syria looks like this time next year or in 2030 that is significant, not some celebrations over statues falling this week
    There are many rebel groups.

    I'd say you're a fool, but you're now well into maliciousness.
  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,228
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    As a recent-ish patient in several places, it seems to me that some management by walking around could harvest some low hanging fruit.

    For instance, my test last week included:-

    • the appointment letter being delivered literally as I left for the appointment
    • a booklet badly put together
    • a booklet that referred to the wrong hospital
    • signposting that ended short of the destination
    • some guesswork as to the correct waiting area
    • confusing directions about gowns
    So, investment needed in admin, rather than front line clinicians? 🤔
    Or maybe as well as.

    I have a slightly dodgy left thumb, it has been painful and "clicky" for a while. It needs looking at. Preferably on a Friday when I don't work. But I'm right handed so it's not my favourite digit, there's no rush.

    I haven't worked out how to book an appointment yet. The surgery website tells me I can book on line but the NHS app consistently tells me there's nothing available. There is no point requesting a teleconsult as someone needs to look at it. In any case, last time I had one of those I missed it, because the doctor rang at a random time and I was unable to get to my phone in time. Neither do they ring twice. Presumably I could join a telephone queue early in the morning but it's not an emergency.

    In contrast, Specsavers tell me it's time to have a new hearing test so I go online and book it at a time of my choosing, at the end of a working day so I only have to leave work a few minutes early. Yes it was a few weeks ahead, but again it's not urgent, convenience was more important.

    So, yes, the admin certainly has to improve.
    For such booking schemes to work there has to be capacity (and in your case capacity for someone who knows about hands, on a friday).

    Specsavers makes more money if it creates fresh capacity, the NHS does not, it has a finite budget.

    So the reduction in 18 week waits to what they were in 2010 is the base for what you need.
    The difference between Specsavers and the NHS is Specsavers has meaningful competition. Specsavers have to be able to offer you a reasonably priced appointment at that's convenient, otherwise you'd just go to Vision Express et-all instead. And since Specsavers is owned by rational capitalisists trying to turn a profit through client bookings, it's heavily in their interests to make the customers experience attractive.

    There is literally no "commercial" incentive to make the NHS patient experience attractive - if anything the reverse - less patients makes everything easier for everyone in the NHS.

    The difficulty is that this is very easy to observe, but much harder to fix.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,137
    edited December 8

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    The Russian withdrawal from Syria, makes the US withdrawal from Afghanistan look like it was well organised and brilliantly executed.

    What a shame for Putin’s 21st Century Potemkin army.

    I wouldn't celebrate too soon. Putin needs a win, fast, and the only place he can get it is Ukraine.

    They are also struggling and a major Russian push could see a sudden collapse.

    It would be a grim irony if the disaster Russia has suffered in the ME led to a mirror effect in Ukraine.
    And an utter disaster if Syria falls to the jihadi rebels and Putin makes further incursions into Ukraine before Trump tries and imposes a peace deal
    It's clear that in your mind, anyone who is not Christian is a Jihadi rebel... ;)

    Your takes on this situation have been truly awful.
    The rebels are led by Al Qaeda linked militants and ISIS are beginning to make a resurgence too in parts of Syria as the rebels pushed against Assad's regime.

    It is what Syria looks like this time next year or in 2030 that is significant, not some celebrations over statues falling this week
    There are many rebel groups.

    I'd say you're a fool, but you're now well into maliciousness.
    Most with Al Qaeda or ISIS links, Syria may now become the biggest centre for jihadi terrorism in the world. I hope not, I hope the new regime proves liberal and tolerant but experience suggests otherwise
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,062
    edited December 8
    IanB2 said:

    Meanwhile, the Sunday Rawnsley on a grey and not-as-windy-as-they-said morning:

    Be as cynical about it as you like, you can’t fairly accuse the military and intelligence chiefs of crying wolf when they describe a world pulsing with perils. The Treasury regards the Ministry of Defence as a wasteful money pit – as indeed it often has been – and will balk at handing substantial additional funds to the military. But it is hard to see how we are not going to be spending extra on security and many analysts already think it will have to be more like 3% of GDP.

    The issue with military spending isn’t so much the amount of money spent, although that is important to some extent, but the way in which it’s spent.

    Wartime spending looks very different from peacetime spending, and we now need to be concentrating much more on the former.

    Peacetime spending is all about maintaining domestic capabilities, and results in long and expensive projects to deliver a small number of large pieces of equipment pushing the technology, lots of the money is badly spent and lots of people in the middle make a lot of money for little work.

    Wartime spending is all about making as much stuff as possible, even if it’s not the cutting-edge of technology. So we need lots of ammunition and existing equipment designs refined to reduce manufacturing costs and timescales.

    NATO and European countries should have realised three years ago that we were moving into wartime, and the focus needs to be there instead. We need to be running more production lines for last-gen tanks, Storm Shadow and ATACMS, as well as loads of the old-fashioned 155mm ammunition, not trying to spend a decade and $100bn on the design of the successor to the F-35.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 624

    Donald Trump's pick to be the US's new Surgeon General shot her father dead aged 13
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14169551/Donald-Trump-new-Surgeon-General-shot-dead-father-aged-13.html (£££)

    As this is the medical thread.

    Is that the plot for Back to the future 4? Desperately trying to prevent her own conception in guilt-ridden time travel attempt from 2026.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,804
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    The Russian withdrawal from Syria, makes the US withdrawal from Afghanistan look like it was well organised and brilliantly executed.

    What a shame for Putin’s 21st Century Potemkin army.

    I wouldn't celebrate too soon. Putin needs a win, fast, and the only place he can get it is Ukraine.

    They are also struggling and a major Russian push could see a sudden collapse.

    It would be a grim irony if the disaster Russia has suffered in the ME led to a mirror effect in Ukraine.
    And an utter disaster if Syria falls to the jihadi rebels and Putin makes further incursions into Ukraine before Trump tries and imposes a peace deal
    It's clear that in your mind, anyone who is not Christian is a Jihadi rebel... ;)

    Your takes on this situation have been truly awful.
    The rebels are led by Al Qaeda linked militants and ISIS are beginning to make a resurgence too in parts of Syria as the rebels pushed against Assad's regime.

    It is what Syria looks like this time next year or in 2030 that is significant, not some celebrations over statues falling this week
    There are many rebel groups.

    I'd say you're a fool, but you're now well into maliciousness.
    Most with Al Qaeda or ISIS links, Syria may now become the biggest centre for jihadi terrorism in the world by far
    HTS are the good bit of AQ apparently. They've got a HR Dept. and do a lot of work for charity.
  • pm215pm215 Posts: 1,168

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    As a recent-ish patient in several places, it seems to me that some management by walking around could harvest some low hanging fruit.

    For instance, my test last week included:-

    • the appointment letter being delivered literally as I left for the appointment
    • a booklet badly put together
    • a booklet that referred to the wrong hospital
    • signposting that ended short of the destination
    • some guesswork as to the correct waiting area
    • confusing directions about gowns
    So, investment needed in admin, rather than front line clinicians? 🤔
    Or maybe as well as.

    I have a slightly dodgy left thumb, it has been painful and "clicky" for a while. It needs looking at. Preferably on a Friday when I don't work. But I'm right handed so it's not my favourite digit, there's no rush.

    I haven't worked out how to book an appointment yet. The surgery website tells me I can book on line but the NHS app consistently tells me there's nothing available. There is no point requesting a teleconsult as someone needs to look at it. In any case, last time I had one of those I missed it, because the doctor rang at a random time and I was unable to get to my phone in time. Neither do they ring twice. Presumably I could join a telephone queue early in the morning but it's not an emergency.

    In contrast, Specsavers tell me it's time to have a new hearing test so I go online and book it at a time of my choosing, at the end of a working day so I only have to leave work a few minutes early. Yes it was a few weeks ahead, but again it's not urgent, convenience was more important.

    So, yes, the admin certainly has to improve.
    For such booking schemes to work there has to be capacity (and in your case capacity for someone who knows about hands, on a friday).

    Specsavers makes more money if it creates fresh capacity, the NHS does not, it has a finite budget.

    So the reduction in 18 week waits to what they were in 2010 is the base for what you need.
    I can't book someone who knows about hands, though, I have to talk to my GP first, who if he does know about hands it will be a surprise, he will then have to decide there is indeed a problem with my hand and I need to see someone who knows about hands. I wouldn't mind an 18 week wait if I could just more easily get into the system. I will try harder next week and see if any appointments are available to book online early in the morning. The problem with phoning at 8am or whenever the phone lines open is that that is exactly when I need to be on my way to work. Which is great if I have gone down with the lurgy and need to take time off, but not otherwise.
    Yes, my GP has the same "must phone at 8am on the day, even if it's something that could easily wait a week". To be fair to them they have got the admin side of it down pretty well -- you sit in a phone queue, but not for long, you speak to the receptionist who triages you into nurse/on-site physio/GP, the GP calls back for a phone consultation within an hour or two. But as a system it definitely puts me off from attempting to engage with it -- it was months before I decided a dodgy shoulder really wasn't going away on its own and I really did need to go through the hassle of the 8am phone queue.

  • pm215pm215 Posts: 1,168
    algarkirk said:

    The selections of targets, KPIs and milestones by government is populist nonsense and can't work. In our sort of country the state as a whole has taken to itself the responsibility and workings of about half of all measurable activity. It's called social democracy. It has to run all of it competently and well. Not select bits for our attention. When it does that, the public simply shift the goalposts, and rightly so.

    But part of running something competently and well is identifying those parts which are currently having trouble and letting the whole system down as a result, and putting together a plan to bring them up to the same standard as the rest. That doesn't mean stopping doing the other parts, or that when your plan is complete you can say "job done", but "ignore the fact that department X is a tyre fire and don't give it any more time and attention than smoothly operating department Y" isn't a good idea either...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,545
    Dura_Ace said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    The Russian withdrawal from Syria, makes the US withdrawal from Afghanistan look like it was well organised and brilliantly executed.

    What a shame for Putin’s 21st Century Potemkin army.

    I wouldn't celebrate too soon. Putin needs a win, fast, and the only place he can get it is Ukraine.

    They are also struggling and a major Russian push could see a sudden collapse.

    It would be a grim irony if the disaster Russia has suffered in the ME led to a mirror effect in Ukraine.
    And an utter disaster if Syria falls to the jihadi rebels and Putin makes further incursions into Ukraine before Trump tries and imposes a peace deal
    It's clear that in your mind, anyone who is not Christian is a Jihadi rebel... ;)

    Your takes on this situation have been truly awful.
    The rebels are led by Al Qaeda linked militants and ISIS are beginning to make a resurgence too in parts of Syria as the rebels pushed against Assad's regime.

    It is what Syria looks like this time next year or in 2030 that is significant, not some celebrations over statues falling this week
    There are many rebel groups.

    I'd say you're a fool, but you're now well into maliciousness.
    Most with Al Qaeda or ISIS links, Syria may now become the biggest centre for jihadi terrorism in the world by far
    HTS are the good bit of AQ apparently. They've got a HR Dept. and do a lot of work for charity....
    but they don't like to talk about it....
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,246
    pm215 said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    As a recent-ish patient in several places, it seems to me that some management by walking around could harvest some low hanging fruit.

    For instance, my test last week included:-

    • the appointment letter being delivered literally as I left for the appointment
    • a booklet badly put together
    • a booklet that referred to the wrong hospital
    • signposting that ended short of the destination
    • some guesswork as to the correct waiting area
    • confusing directions about gowns
    So, investment needed in admin, rather than front line clinicians? 🤔
    Or maybe as well as.

    I have a slightly dodgy left thumb, it has been painful and "clicky" for a while. It needs looking at. Preferably on a Friday when I don't work. But I'm right handed so it's not my favourite digit, there's no rush.

    I haven't worked out how to book an appointment yet. The surgery website tells me I can book on line but the NHS app consistently tells me there's nothing available. There is no point requesting a teleconsult as someone needs to look at it. In any case, last time I had one of those I missed it, because the doctor rang at a random time and I was unable to get to my phone in time. Neither do they ring twice. Presumably I could join a telephone queue early in the morning but it's not an emergency.

    In contrast, Specsavers tell me it's time to have a new hearing test so I go online and book it at a time of my choosing, at the end of a working day so I only have to leave work a few minutes early. Yes it was a few weeks ahead, but again it's not urgent, convenience was more important.

    So, yes, the admin certainly has to improve.
    For such booking schemes to work there has to be capacity (and in your case capacity for someone who knows about hands, on a friday).

    Specsavers makes more money if it creates fresh capacity, the NHS does not, it has a finite budget.

    So the reduction in 18 week waits to what they were in 2010 is the base for what you need.
    I can't book someone who knows about hands, though, I have to talk to my GP first, who if he does know about hands it will be a surprise, he will then have to decide there is indeed a problem with my hand and I need to see someone who knows about hands. I wouldn't mind an 18 week wait if I could just more easily get into the system. I will try harder next week and see if any appointments are available to book online early in the morning. The problem with phoning at 8am or whenever the phone lines open is that that is exactly when I need to be on my way to work. Which is great if I have gone down with the lurgy and need to take time off, but not otherwise.
    Yes, my GP has the same "must phone at 8am on the day, even if it's something that could easily wait a week". To be fair to them they have got the admin side of it down pretty well -- you sit in a phone queue, but not for long, you speak to the receptionist who triages you into nurse/on-site physio/GP, the GP calls back for a phone consultation within an hour or two. But as a system it definitely puts me off from attempting to engage with it -- it was months before I decided a dodgy shoulder really wasn't going away on its own and I really did need to go through the hassle of the 8am phone queue.

    The 8 AM rush is a legacy of targetism from previous regimes.

    It became a requirement to be able to offer appointments within 48 hours, and in a system lacking capacity the simplest way to do that was to cease advance booking of appointments.

    Targets always distort delivery. Something that Starmer should pay attention to.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,545
    Great to see the leader of the UK conservatives, ⁦@KemiBadenoch during her trip to the US. We discussed many topics, but I was unable to persuade her that coffee is much better than tea. Cheers, Kemi!

    https://x.com/JDVance/status/1865580812759867667
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,180
    Dura_Ace said:

    IanB2 said:



    Another and even more severe test will present itself if...Trump attempts to coerce Ukraine into an armistice that rewards Russian aggression by leaving the Kremlin in possession of vast chunks of stolen territory. Will the UK be prepared to incur the wrath of the White House by resisting a “dirty peace”? Or will the Starmer government abase itself by going along with a sell-out of the Ukrainians that would throw European security into even greater jeopardy? Sir Keir is trying to smooth over the hard choices, but he won’t be able to swerve them for all that much longer.

    Christ, despite the world class haircut, Rawnsley is a boring writer. He should get a login on here.

    This last bit is particularly facile. We all know exactly what SKS will do if DJT tells Ukraine to do a deal. He'll toe the line and gargle those droopy orange balls just like any other British PM would.
    He’ll have to elbow Billy Bawheid out of the way first. Perhaps they could take a ball each.


  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,246
    Dura_Ace said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    The Russian withdrawal from Syria, makes the US withdrawal from Afghanistan look like it was well organised and brilliantly executed.

    What a shame for Putin’s 21st Century Potemkin army.

    I wouldn't celebrate too soon. Putin needs a win, fast, and the only place he can get it is Ukraine.

    They are also struggling and a major Russian push could see a sudden collapse.

    It would be a grim irony if the disaster Russia has suffered in the ME led to a mirror effect in Ukraine.
    And an utter disaster if Syria falls to the jihadi rebels and Putin makes further incursions into Ukraine before Trump tries and imposes a peace deal
    It's clear that in your mind, anyone who is not Christian is a Jihadi rebel... ;)

    Your takes on this situation have been truly awful.
    The rebels are led by Al Qaeda linked militants and ISIS are beginning to make a resurgence too in parts of Syria as the rebels pushed against Assad's regime.

    It is what Syria looks like this time next year or in 2030 that is significant, not some celebrations over statues falling this week
    There are many rebel groups.

    I'd say you're a fool, but you're now well into maliciousness.
    Most with Al Qaeda or ISIS links, Syria may now become the biggest centre for jihadi terrorism in the world by far
    HTS are the good bit of AQ apparently. They've got a HR Dept. and do a lot of work for charity.
    The reason that Islamists have such popularity is because they do provide food, healthcare and education, while the Arab authoritarians simply embezzle and spend on secret police and prisons.

  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,496
    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    The Russian withdrawal from Syria, makes the US withdrawal from Afghanistan look like it was well organised and brilliantly executed.

    What a shame for Putin’s 21st Century Potemkin army.

    I wouldn't celebrate too soon. Putin needs a win, fast, and the only place he can get it is Ukraine.

    They are also struggling and a major Russian push could see a sudden collapse.

    It would be a grim irony if the disaster Russia has suffered in the ME led to a mirror effect in Ukraine.
    And an utter disaster if Syria falls to the jihadi rebels and Putin makes further incursions into Ukraine before Trump tries and imposes a peace deal
    That "If" is a few days behind the curve. Even the Alawites of Latakia are pulling down the Assad statues.

    It's a bad week for right wing authoritarians in Syria, Moscow and South Korea.

    Do you hear the people sing?
    How very misogynistic of you! Women get to be angry too!

  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,276
    Foxy said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    The Russian withdrawal from Syria, makes the US withdrawal from Afghanistan look like it was well organised and brilliantly executed.

    What a shame for Putin’s 21st Century Potemkin army.

    I wouldn't celebrate too soon. Putin needs a win, fast, and the only place he can get it is Ukraine.

    They are also struggling and a major Russian push could see a sudden collapse.

    It would be a grim irony if the disaster Russia has suffered in the ME led to a mirror effect in Ukraine.
    And an utter disaster if Syria falls to the jihadi rebels and Putin makes further incursions into Ukraine before Trump tries and imposes a peace deal
    It's clear that in your mind, anyone who is not Christian is a Jihadi rebel... ;)

    Your takes on this situation have been truly awful.
    The rebels are led by Al Qaeda linked militants and ISIS are beginning to make a resurgence too in parts of Syria as the rebels pushed against Assad's regime.

    It is what Syria looks like this time next year or in 2030 that is significant, not some celebrations over statues falling this week
    There are many rebel groups.

    I'd say you're a fool, but you're now well into maliciousness.
    Most with Al Qaeda or ISIS links, Syria may now become the biggest centre for jihadi terrorism in the world by far
    HTS are the good bit of AQ apparently. They've got a HR Dept. and do a lot of work for charity.
    The reason that Islamists have such popularity is because they do provide food, healthcare and education, while the Arab authoritarians simply embezzle and spend on secret police and prisons.

    And then they throw people off the roof of the food bank.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,396
    Fishing said:

    "An increase in disposable household income in real terms"

    That's about the most modest possible target a government could credibly set.

    Albeit one that, on the evidence of the last budget, the collapse in business confidence since the election and their general incompetence, they may well fail spectacularly to meet.

    All these targets are meaningless (though, as you point out, that one is trivial), without successful policies that enable economic growth.
    That applies, obviously, to the NHS, too.

    Labour spent a lot of time last week talking about aspirations, and precious little about how they intend to achieve them.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,078
    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    The Russian withdrawal from Syria, makes the US withdrawal from Afghanistan look like it was well organised and brilliantly executed.

    What a shame for Putin’s 21st Century Potemkin army.

    I wouldn't celebrate too soon. Putin needs a win, fast, and the only place he can get it is Ukraine.

    They are also struggling and a major Russian push could see a sudden collapse.

    It would be a grim irony if the disaster Russia has suffered in the ME led to a mirror effect in Ukraine.
    And an utter disaster if Syria falls to the jihadi rebels and Putin makes further incursions into Ukraine before Trump tries and imposes a peace deal
    That "If" is a few days behind the curve. Even the Alawites of Latakia are pulling down the Assad statues.

    It's a bad week for right wing authoritarians in Syria, Moscow and South Korea.

    Do you hear the people sing?
    I was just watching a few of the videos and listening to people on the ground. I do wonder what the people of Iran (both regular people and the regime) are making of the pictures.
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,094
    Dura_Ace said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    The Russian withdrawal from Syria, makes the US withdrawal from Afghanistan look like it was well organised and brilliantly executed.

    What a shame for Putin’s 21st Century Potemkin army.

    I wouldn't celebrate too soon. Putin needs a win, fast, and the only place he can get it is Ukraine.

    They are also struggling and a major Russian push could see a sudden collapse.

    It would be a grim irony if the disaster Russia has suffered in the ME led to a mirror effect in Ukraine.
    And an utter disaster if Syria falls to the jihadi rebels and Putin makes further incursions into Ukraine before Trump tries and imposes a peace deal
    It's clear that in your mind, anyone who is not Christian is a Jihadi rebel... ;)

    Your takes on this situation have been truly awful.
    The rebels are led by Al Qaeda linked militants and ISIS are beginning to make a resurgence too in parts of Syria as the rebels pushed against Assad's regime.

    It is what Syria looks like this time next year or in 2030 that is significant, not some celebrations over statues falling this week
    There are many rebel groups.

    I'd say you're a fool, but you're now well into maliciousness.
    Most with Al Qaeda or ISIS links, Syria may now become the biggest centre for jihadi terrorism in the world by far
    HTS are the good bit of AQ apparently. They've got a HR Dept. and do a lot of work for charity.
    They’re also down to earth, and surprisingly funny.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,355
    edited December 8
    ydoethur said:

    FPT

    Penddu2 said:

    Interesting rumours circulating on Twix that Assad's plane may have been shot down near Homs.. There appears to have been a Russian IL-76 plane crash - not clear if was a crash or shot down - no confirmation that Asad was on board.

    Huge if true... Could Russia be taking its revenge on its failed puppet for losing Russia it's only Mediterranean port

    Possibly, but we can't confirm it until we know if Assad was pushed out of the window first.
    A scheduled flight does seem to have descended quickly towards the ground and with several changes of direction west of Homs in an area not that close to any airport per Flight Radar. Flight RB9218.

    Wiki contains this draft:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Syrian_Air_Flight_9218?wprov=sfla1

    'Something' has happened.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,804

    Dura_Ace said:

    IanB2 said:



    Another and even more severe test will present itself if...Trump attempts to coerce Ukraine into an armistice that rewards Russian aggression by leaving the Kremlin in possession of vast chunks of stolen territory. Will the UK be prepared to incur the wrath of the White House by resisting a “dirty peace”? Or will the Starmer government abase itself by going along with a sell-out of the Ukrainians that would throw European security into even greater jeopardy? Sir Keir is trying to smooth over the hard choices, but he won’t be able to swerve them for all that much longer.

    Christ, despite the world class haircut, Rawnsley is a boring writer. He should get a login on here.

    This last bit is particularly facile. We all know exactly what SKS will do if DJT tells Ukraine to do a deal. He'll toe the line and gargle those droopy orange balls just like any other British PM would.
    He’ll have to elbow Billy Bawheid out of the way first. Perhaps they could take a ball each.


    The amazing thing is that you can't tell if that's DJT's vulgar gaff or if it is the third best morning room of the Crowned Thieves.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,485
    Meanwhile, in "improving the average quality of both parties" news,

    Suella Braverman's husband set to defect to Farage's Reform in new scalp from the Conservative Party - and insiders predict she will follow next year

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14169419/Suella-Bravermans-husband-set-defect-Farages-Reform-new-scalp-Conservative-Party-insiders-predict-follow-year.html
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,396
    Foxy said:

    As a recent-ish patient in several places, it seems to me that some management by walking around could harvest some low hanging fruit.

    For instance, my test last week included:-

    • the appointment letter being delivered literally as I left for the appointment
    • a booklet badly put together
    • a booklet that referred to the wrong hospital
    • signposting that ended short of the destination
    • some guesswork as to the correct waiting area
    • confusing directions about gowns
    So, investment needed in admin, rather than front line clinicians? 🤔
    Reorganisation requires extra capacity and resources, if you can't cut the service while you're doing it. And the public won't accept that of the NHS.
    It's an obvious point, but often not fully acknowledged.

    In most other spheres - defence, or local government, for instance - reorganisation is usually accompanied by (or as a consequence of) cuts.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,496
    Dura_Ace said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    IanB2 said:



    Another and even more severe test will present itself if...Trump attempts to coerce Ukraine into an armistice that rewards Russian aggression by leaving the Kremlin in possession of vast chunks of stolen territory. Will the UK be prepared to incur the wrath of the White House by resisting a “dirty peace”? Or will the Starmer government abase itself by going along with a sell-out of the Ukrainians that would throw European security into even greater jeopardy? Sir Keir is trying to smooth over the hard choices, but he won’t be able to swerve them for all that much longer.

    Christ, despite the world class haircut, Rawnsley is a boring writer. He should get a login on here.

    This last bit is particularly facile. We all know exactly what SKS will do if DJT tells Ukraine to do a deal. He'll toe the line and gargle those droopy orange balls just like any other British PM would.
    He’ll have to elbow Billy Bawheid out of the way first. Perhaps they could take a ball each.


    The amazing thing is that you can't tell if that's DJT's vulgar gaff or if it is the third
    best morning room of the Crowned Thieves.
    I believe it’s the Hotel de Charost


  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,990
    glw said:

    So the Oct 7th attack on Israel by Hamas, sponsored by Iran, has lead to the destruction of Hamas, smashing of Gaza, and tens of thousands of Gazans killed. In turn we have seen Iran's major ally Hezbollah have its leadership annihilated and much of its military capability destroyed. Iran has been shown to have no real ability to defend itself from Israeli airstrikes nor any ability to respond in kind. Now Assad's regime has been toppled, as his allies have limited resources to spend proping up his rule.

    The IRGC people responsible for setting off this chain of events have screwed up to an incredible degree, particularly if Trump next gives the green light to Israel going after Iran's nuclear programme and regime.

    Point of order: while Iran sponsors Hamas generally, I thought the general view was the Iranians were unaware of the specific major attack that prompted the Israeli response?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,062
    Pro_Rata said:

    ydoethur said:

    FPT

    Penddu2 said:

    Interesting rumours circulating on Twix that Assad's plane may have been shot down near Homs.. There appears to have been a Russian IL-76 plane crash - not clear if was a crash or shot down - no confirmation that Asad was on board.

    Huge if true... Could Russia be taking its revenge on its failed puppet for losing Russia it's only Mediterranean port

    Possibly, but we can't confirm it until we know if Assad was pushed out of the window first.
    A scheduled flight does seem to have descended quickly towards the ground and with several changes of direction west of Homs in an area not that close to any airport per Flight Radar. Flight RB9218.

    Wiki contains this draft:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Syrian_Air_Flight_9218?wprov=sfla1

    'Something' has happened.
    There’s almost certainly a plane that’s gone down somewhere other than at an airport.

    The unanswered questions are who was on the plane, why it ended up where it did, and if it’s actually crashed.

    It could be anything from a shoot-down to a daring escape plan involving a field landing.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064
    Taz said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    The Russian withdrawal from Syria, makes the US withdrawal from Afghanistan look like it was well organised and brilliantly executed.

    What a shame for Putin’s 21st Century Potemkin army.

    I wouldn't celebrate too soon. Putin needs a win, fast, and the only place he can get it is Ukraine.

    They are also struggling and a major Russian push could see a sudden collapse.

    It would be a grim irony if the disaster Russia has suffered in the ME led to a mirror effect in Ukraine.
    And an utter disaster if Syria falls to the jihadi rebels and Putin makes further incursions into Ukraine before Trump tries and imposes a peace deal
    It's clear that in your mind, anyone who is not Christian is a Jihadi rebel... ;)

    Your takes on this situation have been truly awful.
    The rebels are led by Al Qaeda linked militants and ISIS are beginning to make a resurgence too in parts of Syria as the rebels pushed against Assad's regime.

    It is what Syria looks like this time next year or in 2030 that is significant, not some celebrations over statues falling this week
    There are many rebel groups.

    I'd say you're a fool, but you're now well into maliciousness.
    Most with Al Qaeda or ISIS links, Syria may now become the biggest centre for jihadi terrorism in the world by far
    HTS are the good bit of AQ apparently. They've got a HR Dept. and do a lot of work for charity.
    They’re also down to earth, and surprisingly funny.
    Exactly the kind of man you hope your daughter brings home for dinner after her solo gap year...
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,020
    glw said:

    So the Oct 7th attack on Israel by Hamas, sponsored by Iran, has lead to the destruction of Hamas, smashing of Gaza, and tens of thousands of Gazans killed. In turn we have seen Iran's major ally Hezbollah have its leadership annihilated and much of its military capability destroyed. Iran has been shown to have no real ability to defend itself from Israeli airstrikes nor any ability to respond in kind. Now Assad's regime has been toppled, as his allies have limited resources to spend proping up his rule.

    The IRGC people responsible for setting off this chain of events have screwed up to an incredible degree, particularly if Trump next gives the green light to Israel going after Iran's nuclear programme and regime.

    The (Iranian promoted) 7th October attack was to prevent the Saudi relationship with Israel being put on a more commercial (and hence peaceful) footing. It may have delayed that, but nothing more.

    Iran has played this episode very, very poorly.

  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,062

    Donald Trump's pick to be the US's new Surgeon General shot her father dead aged 13
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14169551/Donald-Trump-new-Surgeon-General-shot-dead-father-aged-13.html (£££)

    As this is the medical thread.

    I know it’s the Daily Mail but that’s unbelievably unfair framing in the headline.

    She knocked over a box in which a loaded gun was stored; it went off and the bullet hit her father in the face.

    It was a tragic accident that traumatised her. Fair play that it inspired her to get into medicine (she said it was because her father was bleeding out and she didn’t know how to help him)
    Almost every story about every person nominated to serve by Trump, is full of unfair framing and/or missing details. There’s a very well co-ordinated campaign to prevent his nominations from being confirmed.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,496
    Sandpit said:

    Donald Trump's pick to be the US's new Surgeon General shot her father dead aged 13
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14169551/Donald-Trump-new-Surgeon-General-shot-dead-father-aged-13.html (£££)

    As this is the medical thread.

    I know it’s the Daily Mail but that’s unbelievably unfair framing in the headline.

    She knocked over a box in which a loaded gun was stored; it went off and the bullet hit her father in the face.

    It was a tragic accident that traumatised her. Fair play that it inspired her to get into medicine (she said it was because her father was bleeding out and she didn’t know how to help him)
    Almost every story about every person nominated to serve by Trump, is full of unfair framing and/or missing details. There’s a very well co-ordinated campaign to prevent his nominations from being confirmed.
    The Mail has been remarkably pro Trump throughout the campaign

    This is just sensationalist clickbait

  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,276
    Israel now has a third set of Islamists on its borders.

    They'll be keeping close tabs on things in Syria.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,505
    theProle said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    As a recent-ish patient in several places, it seems to me that some management by walking around could harvest some low hanging fruit.

    For instance, my test last week included:-

    • the appointment letter being delivered literally as I left for the appointment
    • a booklet badly put together
    • a booklet that referred to the wrong hospital
    • signposting that ended short of the destination
    • some guesswork as to the correct waiting area
    • confusing directions about gowns
    So, investment needed in admin, rather than front line clinicians? 🤔
    Or maybe as well as.

    I have a slightly dodgy left thumb, it has been painful and "clicky" for a while. It needs looking at. Preferably on a Friday when I don't work. But I'm right handed so it's not my favourite digit, there's no rush.

    I haven't worked out how to book an appointment yet. The surgery website tells me I can book on line but the NHS app consistently tells me there's nothing available. There is no point requesting a teleconsult as someone needs to look at it. In any case, last time I had one of those I missed it, because the doctor rang at a random time and I was unable to get to my phone in time. Neither do they ring twice. Presumably I could join a telephone queue early in the morning but it's not an emergency.

    In contrast, Specsavers tell me it's time to have a new hearing test so I go online and book it at a time of my choosing, at the end of a working day so I only have to leave work a few minutes early. Yes it was a few weeks ahead, but again it's not urgent, convenience was more important.

    So, yes, the admin certainly has to improve.
    For such booking schemes to work there has to be capacity (and in your case capacity for someone who knows about hands, on a friday).

    Specsavers makes more money if it creates fresh capacity, the NHS does not, it has a finite budget.

    So the reduction in 18 week waits to what they were in 2010 is the base for what you need.
    The difference between Specsavers and the NHS is Specsavers has meaningful competition. Specsavers have to be able to offer you a reasonably priced appointment at that's convenient, otherwise you'd just go to Vision Express et-all instead. And since Specsavers is owned by rational capitalisists trying to turn a profit through client bookings, it's heavily in their interests to make the customers experience attractive.

    There is literally no "commercial" incentive to make the NHS patient experience attractive - if anything the reverse - less patients makes everything easier for everyone in the NHS.

    The difficulty is that this is very easy to observe, but much harder to fix.
    GPs are, at least on paper, in competition with each other, as are health trusts, so mindlessly invoking "the market" will not help, as we have seen from the 1980s onward. What Specsavers does have is scale and top-down direction, whereas fixing GP practices involves corralling thousands of independent GP practices.

    For instance, if I go to my GP's website, I can see at least two ways to make online requests, Klinik and the NHS App, and, oh, Evergreen Life is a third, and, oh no, the E-consult link looks like a fourth but just gives a message that the practice does not offer it (so why provide the link?) and Klinik requests are only accepted in normal working hours. Basically, it is a complete bloody mess even though I am welcome to take my "business" to a different practice.

    What Specsavers can do that Wes Streeting cannot is require that all practice web sites use software package X and absolutely no others, and the reason Streeting cannot do that is precisely because GP practices are in competition with each other.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,864
    Dura_Ace said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    The Russian withdrawal from Syria, makes the US withdrawal from Afghanistan look like it was well organised and brilliantly executed.

    What a shame for Putin’s 21st Century Potemkin army.

    I wouldn't celebrate too soon. Putin needs a win, fast, and the only place he can get it is Ukraine.

    They are also struggling and a major Russian push could see a sudden collapse.

    It would be a grim irony if the disaster Russia has suffered in the ME led to a mirror effect in Ukraine.
    And an utter disaster if Syria falls to the jihadi rebels and Putin makes further incursions into Ukraine before Trump tries and imposes a peace deal
    It's clear that in your mind, anyone who is not Christian is a Jihadi rebel... ;)

    Your takes on this situation have been truly awful.
    The rebels are led by Al Qaeda linked militants and ISIS are beginning to make a resurgence too in parts of Syria as the rebels pushed against Assad's regime.

    It is what Syria looks like this time next year or in 2030 that is significant, not some celebrations over statues falling this week
    There are many rebel groups.

    I'd say you're a fool, but you're now well into maliciousness.
    Most with Al Qaeda or ISIS links, Syria may now become the biggest centre for jihadi terrorism in the world by far
    HTS are the good bit of AQ apparently. They've got a HR Dept. and do a lot of work for charity.
    Take zakat, infidel.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,180
    edited December 8
    Fckn hell, ex UK ambassador on BBC reduced to speculating whether Trump wearing a blue suit & yellow tie is showing support for Zelensky. Surprised that the UK’s place in the world isn’t more borked if that’s the level of geopolitical analysis available.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,505

    Donald Trump's pick to be the US's new Surgeon General shot her father dead aged 13
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14169551/Donald-Trump-new-Surgeon-General-shot-dead-father-aged-13.html (£££)

    As this is the medical thread.

    I know it’s the Daily Mail but that’s unbelievably unfair framing in the headline.

    She knocked over a box in which a loaded gun was stored; it went off and the bullet hit her father in the face.

    It was a tragic accident that traumatised her. Fair play that it inspired her to get into medicine (she said it was because her father was bleeding out and she didn’t know how to help him)
    Glamorous Dr Nesheiwat is famous in the US as a medical expert on Fox News and has often talked about how losing her father at a young age inspired her career in medicine.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14169551/Donald-Trump-new-Surgeon-General-shot-dead-father-aged-13.html (£££)

    The reason Trump nominated the good doctor is that he has watched her perform on Fox News.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,864
    Sandpit said:

    Donald Trump's pick to be the US's new Surgeon General shot her father dead aged 13
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14169551/Donald-Trump-new-Surgeon-General-shot-dead-father-aged-13.html (£££)

    As this is the medical thread.

    I know it’s the Daily Mail but that’s unbelievably unfair framing in the headline.

    She knocked over a box in which a loaded gun was stored; it went off and the bullet hit her father in the face.

    It was a tragic accident that traumatised her. Fair play that it inspired her to get into medicine (she said it was because her father was bleeding out and she didn’t know how to help him)
    Almost every story about every person nominated to serve by Trump, is full of unfair framing and/or missing details. There’s a very well co-ordinated campaign to prevent his nominations from being confirmed.
    Given some of the complete loons he’s nominated, that’s a very good thing.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,062
    edited December 8

    theProle said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    As a recent-ish patient in several places, it seems to me that some management by walking around could harvest some low hanging fruit.

    For instance, my test last week included:-

    • the appointment letter being delivered literally as I left for the appointment
    • a booklet badly put together
    • a booklet that referred to the wrong hospital
    • signposting that ended short of the destination
    • some guesswork as to the correct waiting area
    • confusing directions about gowns
    So, investment needed in admin, rather than front line clinicians? 🤔
    Or maybe as well as.

    I have a slightly dodgy left thumb, it has been painful and "clicky" for a while. It needs looking at. Preferably on a Friday when I don't work. But I'm right handed so it's not my favourite digit, there's no rush.

    I haven't worked out how to book an appointment yet. The surgery website tells me I can book on line but the NHS app consistently tells me there's nothing available. There is no point requesting a teleconsult as someone needs to look at it. In any case, last time I had one of those I missed it, because the doctor rang at a random time and I was unable to get to my phone in time. Neither do they ring twice. Presumably I could join a telephone queue early in the morning but it's not an emergency.

    In contrast, Specsavers tell me it's time to have a new hearing test so I go online and book it at a time of my choosing, at the end of a working day so I only have to leave work a few minutes early. Yes it was a few weeks ahead, but again it's not urgent, convenience was more important.

    So, yes, the admin certainly has to improve.
    For such booking schemes to work there has to be capacity (and in your case capacity for someone who knows about hands, on a friday).

    Specsavers makes more money if it creates fresh capacity, the NHS does not, it has a finite budget.

    So the reduction in 18 week waits to what they were in 2010 is the base for what you need.
    The difference between Specsavers and the NHS is Specsavers has meaningful competition. Specsavers have to be able to offer you a reasonably priced appointment at that's convenient, otherwise you'd just go to Vision Express et-all instead. And since Specsavers is owned by rational capitalisists trying to turn a profit through client bookings, it's heavily in their interests to make the customers experience attractive.

    There is literally no "commercial" incentive to make the NHS patient experience attractive - if anything the reverse - less patients makes everything easier for everyone in the NHS.

    The difficulty is that this is very easy to observe, but much harder to fix.
    GPs are, at least on paper, in competition with each other, as are health trusts, so mindlessly invoking "the market" will not help, as we have seen from the 1980s onward. What Specsavers does have is scale and top-down direction, whereas fixing GP practices involves corralling thousands of independent GP practices.

    For instance, if I go to my GP's website, I can see at least two ways to make online requests, Klinik and the NHS App, and, oh, Evergreen Life is a third, and, oh no, the E-consult link looks like a fourth but just gives a message that the practice does not offer it (so why provide the link?) and Klinik requests are only accepted in normal working hours. Basically, it is a complete bloody mess even though I am welcome to take my "business" to a different practice.

    What Specsavers can do that Wes Streeting cannot is require that all practice web sites use software package X and absolutely no others, and the reason Streeting cannot do that is precisely because GP practices are in competition with each other.
    What Streeting can do though, is mandate a particular data structure and framework that NHS-approved software has to follow, and design an API themselves.

    Even better would be an NHS.gov website that interfaces with all the GP surgery software, and can highlight when and where GP appointments are available. Your local GP may be full up all week, but the one in the next town can do 14:30 tomorrow.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,485

    Sandpit said:

    Donald Trump's pick to be the US's new Surgeon General shot her father dead aged 13
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14169551/Donald-Trump-new-Surgeon-General-shot-dead-father-aged-13.html (£££)

    As this is the medical thread.

    I know it’s the Daily Mail but that’s unbelievably unfair framing in the headline.

    She knocked over a box in which a loaded gun was stored; it went off and the bullet hit her father in the face.

    It was a tragic accident that traumatised her. Fair play that it inspired her to get into medicine (she said it was because her father was bleeding out and she didn’t know how to help him)
    Almost every story about every person nominated to serve by Trump, is full of unfair framing and/or missing details. There’s a very well co-ordinated campaign to prevent his nominations from being confirmed.
    The Mail has been remarkably pro Trump throughout the campaign

    This is just sensationalist clickbait

    No change there, then.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,864

    Donald Trump's pick to be the US's new Surgeon General shot her father dead aged 13
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14169551/Donald-Trump-new-Surgeon-General-shot-dead-father-aged-13.html (£££)

    As this is the medical thread.

    I know it’s the Daily Mail but that’s unbelievably unfair framing in the headline.

    She knocked over a box in which a loaded gun was stored; it went off and the bullet hit her father in the face.

    It was a tragic accident that traumatised her. Fair play that it inspired her to get into medicine (she said it was because her father was bleeding out and she didn’t know how to help him)
    Glamorous Dr Nesheiwat is famous in the US as a medical expert on Fox News and has often talked about how losing her father at a young age inspired her career in medicine.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14169551/Donald-Trump-new-Surgeon-General-shot-dead-father-aged-13.html (£££)

    The reason Trump nominated the good doctor is that he has watched her perform on Fox News.
    *Raises eyebrows*

    I didn’t know she provided *that* sort of service too.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,396

    IanB2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    FPT

    Penddu2 said:

    Interesting rumours circulating on Twix that Assad's plane may have been shot down near Homs.. There appears to have been a Russian IL-76 plane crash - not clear if was a crash or shot down - no confirmation that Asad was on board.

    Huge if true... Could Russia be taking its revenge on its failed puppet for losing Russia it's only Mediterranean port

    Possibly, but we can't confirm it until we know if Assad was pushed out of the window first.
    If true, he was heading north toward Russia and not south towards a Gulf bolt hole
    That’s not improbable - Putin would take him in for sure, whereas most of the states in the region would want to negotiate it, if not reject him.

    So I could see him going to Moscow, initially.
    Do we know that he's still alive yet ?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,864
    Nigelb said:

    IanB2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    FPT

    Penddu2 said:

    Interesting rumours circulating on Twix that Assad's plane may have been shot down near Homs.. There appears to have been a Russian IL-76 plane crash - not clear if was a crash or shot down - no confirmation that Asad was on board.

    Huge if true... Could Russia be taking its revenge on its failed puppet for losing Russia it's only Mediterranean port

    Possibly, but we can't confirm it until we know if Assad was pushed out of the window first.
    If true, he was heading north toward Russia and not south towards a Gulf bolt hole
    That’s not improbable - Putin would take him in for sure, whereas most of the states in the region would want to negotiate it, if not reject him.

    So I could see him going to Moscow, initially.
    Do we know that he's still alive yet ?
    I think we’d have heard if he’d been pushed through a window.

    Oh, sorry, you meant Assad?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,396
    The PM is alive - and the Four Seasons meme resurfaces.

    Syrian rebels escorting out the Syrian prime minister, Mohammad Ghazi al-Jalali. He was hiding in the Four Seasons Hotel.
    https://x.com/Tendar/status/1865677330300969285
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,078
    Sandpit said:

    theProle said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    As a recent-ish patient in several places, it seems to me that some management by walking around could harvest some low hanging fruit.

    For instance, my test last week included:-

    • the appointment letter being delivered literally as I left for the appointment
    • a booklet badly put together
    • a booklet that referred to the wrong hospital
    • signposting that ended short of the destination
    • some guesswork as to the correct waiting area
    • confusing directions about gowns
    So, investment needed in admin, rather than front line clinicians? 🤔
    Or maybe as well as.

    I have a slightly dodgy left thumb, it has been painful and "clicky" for a while. It needs looking at. Preferably on a Friday when I don't work. But I'm right handed so it's not my favourite digit, there's no rush.

    I haven't worked out how to book an appointment yet. The surgery website tells me I can book on line but the NHS app consistently tells me there's nothing available. There is no point requesting a teleconsult as someone needs to look at it. In any case, last time I had one of those I missed it, because the doctor rang at a random time and I was unable to get to my phone in time. Neither do they ring twice. Presumably I could join a telephone queue early in the morning but it's not an emergency.

    In contrast, Specsavers tell me it's time to have a new hearing test so I go online and book it at a time of my choosing, at the end of a working day so I only have to leave work a few minutes early. Yes it was a few weeks ahead, but again it's not urgent, convenience was more important.

    So, yes, the admin certainly has to improve.
    For such booking schemes to work there has to be capacity (and in your case capacity for someone who knows about hands, on a friday).

    Specsavers makes more money if it creates fresh capacity, the NHS does not, it has a finite budget.

    So the reduction in 18 week waits to what they were in 2010 is the base for what you need.
    The difference between Specsavers and the NHS is Specsavers has meaningful competition. Specsavers have to be able to offer you a reasonably priced appointment at that's convenient, otherwise you'd just go to Vision Express et-all instead. And since Specsavers is owned by rational capitalisists trying to turn a profit through client bookings, it's heavily in their interests to make the customers experience attractive.

    There is literally no "commercial" incentive to make the NHS patient experience attractive - if anything the reverse - less patients makes everything easier for everyone in the NHS.

    The difficulty is that this is very easy to observe, but much harder to fix.
    GPs are, at least on paper, in competition with each other, as are health trusts, so mindlessly invoking "the market" will not help, as we have seen from the 1980s onward. What Specsavers does have is scale and top-down direction, whereas fixing GP practices involves corralling thousands of independent GP practices.

    For instance, if I go to my GP's website, I can see at least two ways to make online requests, Klinik and the NHS App, and, oh, Evergreen Life is a third, and, oh no, the E-consult link looks like a fourth but just gives a message that the practice does not offer it (so why provide the link?) and Klinik requests are only accepted in normal working hours. Basically, it is a complete bloody mess even though I am welcome to take my "business" to a different practice.

    What Specsavers can do that Wes Streeting cannot is require that all practice web sites use software package X and absolutely no others, and the reason Streeting cannot do that is precisely because GP practices are in competition with each other.
    What Streeting can do though, is mandate a particular data structure and framework that NHS-approved software has to follow, and design an API themselves.

    Even better would be an NHS.gov website that interfaces with all the GP surgery software, and can highlight when and where GP appointments are available. Your local GP may be full up all week, but the one in the next town can do 14:30 tomorrow.
    I can just imagine myself weeping over the 300 pages of badly designed, indifferently documented, off-spec mix of JSON and SOAP calls they'd come up with.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,396
    This guy has been dealing with Syria for the last decade and a half, so likely to be slightly better informed than HYUFD.

    Source: #HTS had been in communication with #Syria's Prime Minister for several days, preparing the ground for the recent handover.

    Also with several #SAA units in #Damascus.

    Back-channel diplomacy has been active & instrumental.

    https://x.com/Charles_Lister/status/1865653865154322903

    The lack of bloodshed (so far) suggests that he's right.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,505
    Nigelb said:

    Fishing said:

    "An increase in disposable household income in real terms"

    That's about the most modest possible target a government could credibly set.

    Albeit one that, on the evidence of the last budget, the collapse in business confidence since the election and their general incompetence, they may well fail spectacularly to meet.

    All these targets are meaningless (though, as you point out, that one is trivial), without successful policies that enable economic growth.
    That applies, obviously, to the NHS, too.

    Labour spent a lot of time last week talking about aspirations, and precious little about how they intend to achieve them.
    This is what the Labour government has wrong. Aspirations without policy are mere slogans. Labour's Ming Vase strategy of saying nothing in June means it came into power encumbered with very little policy, but it also meant there was not much scope for the Civil Service to work on. That is Labour's fault, not Civil Servants'.

    Where individual ministers have had policies, such as Ed Miliband and Louise Haigh (whatever happened to her?) they could hit the ground running. But a vague notion that something ought to be done as if the Civil Service has a cupboardful of effective policies it was concealing from the last several Conservative administrations is not just worthless, it is counterproductive. Ask the Chancellor!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,545
    edited December 8
    Sandpit said:

    theProle said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    As a recent-ish patient in several places, it seems to me that some management by walking around could harvest some low hanging fruit.

    For instance, my test last week included:-

    • the appointment letter being delivered literally as I left for the appointment
    • a booklet badly put together
    • a booklet that referred to the wrong hospital
    • signposting that ended short of the destination
    • some guesswork as to the correct waiting area
    • confusing directions about gowns
    So, investment needed in admin, rather than front line clinicians? 🤔
    Or maybe as well as.

    I have a slightly dodgy left thumb, it has been painful and "clicky" for a while. It needs looking at. Preferably on a Friday when I don't work. But I'm right handed so it's not my favourite digit, there's no rush.

    I haven't worked out how to book an appointment yet. The surgery website tells me I can book on line but the NHS app consistently tells me there's nothing available. There is no point requesting a teleconsult as someone needs to look at it. In any case, last time I had one of those I missed it, because the doctor rang at a random time and I was unable to get to my phone in time. Neither do they ring twice. Presumably I could join a telephone queue early in the morning but it's not an emergency.

    In contrast, Specsavers tell me it's time to have a new hearing test so I go online and book it at a time of my choosing, at the end of a working day so I only have to leave work a few minutes early. Yes it was a few weeks ahead, but again it's not urgent, convenience was more important.

    So, yes, the admin certainly has to improve.
    For such booking schemes to work there has to be capacity (and in your case capacity for someone who knows about hands, on a friday).

    Specsavers makes more money if it creates fresh capacity, the NHS does not, it has a finite budget.

    So the reduction in 18 week waits to what they were in 2010 is the base for what you need.
    The difference between Specsavers and the NHS is Specsavers has meaningful competition. Specsavers have to be able to offer you a reasonably priced appointment at that's convenient, otherwise you'd just go to Vision Express et-all instead. And since Specsavers is owned by rational capitalisists trying to turn a profit through client bookings, it's heavily in their interests to make the customers experience attractive.

    There is literally no "commercial" incentive to make the NHS patient experience attractive - if anything the reverse - less patients makes everything easier for everyone in the NHS.

    The difficulty is that this is very easy to observe, but much harder to fix.
    GPs are, at least on paper, in competition with each other, as are health trusts, so mindlessly invoking "the market" will not help, as we have seen from the 1980s onward. What Specsavers does have is scale and top-down direction, whereas fixing GP practices involves corralling thousands of independent GP practices.

    For instance, if I go to my GP's website, I can see at least two ways to make online requests, Klinik and the NHS App, and, oh, Evergreen Life is a third, and, oh no, the E-consult link looks like a fourth but just gives a message that the practice does not offer it (so why provide the link?) and Klinik requests are only accepted in normal working hours. Basically, it is a complete bloody mess even though I am welcome to take my "business" to a different practice.

    What Specsavers can do that Wes Streeting cannot is require that all practice web sites use software package X and absolutely no others, and the reason Streeting cannot do that is precisely because GP practices are in competition with each other.
    What Streeting can do though, is mandate a particular data structure and framework that NHS-approved software has to follow, and design an API themselves.

    Even better would be an NHS.gov website that interfaces with all the GP surgery software, and can highlight when and where GP appointments are available. Your local GP may be full up all week, but the one in the next town can do 14:30 tomorrow.
    If any there was some recent events where a very similar system was built in a matter of months.....

    I bet all the people responsible for vaccine booking system got let go like the people who wrote all the software to ingest all the covid data and crunch it.
  • UnpopularUnpopular Posts: 888
    Nigelb said:

    The PM is alive - and the Four Seasons meme resurfaces.

    Syrian rebels escorting out the Syrian prime minister, Mohammad Ghazi al-Jalali. He was hiding in the Four Seasons Hotel.
    https://x.com/Tendar/status/1865677330300969285

    I remember you well, in the Four Seasons Hotel...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,864
    Nigelb said:

    The PM is alive - and the Four Seasons meme resurfaces.

    Syrian rebels escorting out the Syrian prime minister, Mohammad Ghazi al-Jalali. He was hiding in the Four Seasons Hotel.
    https://x.com/Tendar/status/1865677330300969285

    Will the Ghazi of Khalabar try to carry on?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,864
    Nigelb said:

    This guy has been dealing with Syria for the last decade and a half, so likely to be slightly better informed than HYUFD.

    Source: #HTS had been in communication with #Syria's Prime Minister for several days, preparing the ground for the recent handover.

    Also with several #SAA units in #Damascus.

    Back-channel diplomacy has been active & instrumental.

    https://x.com/Charles_Lister/status/1865653865154322903

    The lack of bloodshed (so far) suggests that he's right.

    Ah, the Inkhyber Ghazi.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,062
    Nigelb said:

    The PM is alive - and the Four Seasons meme resurfaces.

    Syrian rebels escorting out the Syrian prime minister, Mohammad Ghazi al-Jalali. He was hiding in the Four Seasons Hotel.
    https://x.com/Tendar/status/1865677330300969285

    They always like hiding out in international hotels. No-one dares send a rocket into one, lest some American businessman ends up as an unintended casualty. See also the Hamas leadership hiding out in Doha, until the Qataris cancelled their visas and told them to bugger off.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,590
    Sandpit said:

    Donald Trump's pick to be the US's new Surgeon General shot her father dead aged 13
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14169551/Donald-Trump-new-Surgeon-General-shot-dead-father-aged-13.html (£££)

    As this is the medical thread.

    I know it’s the Daily Mail but that’s unbelievably unfair framing in the headline.

    She knocked over a box in which a loaded gun was stored; it went off and the bullet hit her father in the face.

    It was a tragic accident that traumatised her. Fair play that it inspired her to get into medicine (she said it was because her father was bleeding out and she didn’t know how to help him)
    Almost every story about every person nominated to serve by Trump, is full of unfair framing and/or missing details. There’s a very well co-ordinated campaign to prevent his nominations from being confirmed.
    It’s so unfair, because Trump is always so polite about his opponents.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,545
    edited December 8
    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    The PM is alive - and the Four Seasons meme resurfaces.

    Syrian rebels escorting out the Syrian prime minister, Mohammad Ghazi al-Jalali. He was hiding in the Four Seasons Hotel.
    https://x.com/Tendar/status/1865677330300969285

    They always like hiding out in international hotels. No-one dares send a rocket into one, lest some American businessman ends up as an unintended casualty. See also the Hamas leadership hiding out in Doha, until the Qataris cancelled their visas and told them to bugger off.
    Do we know where they went? I presume Turkey as they have reportedly have billions of reality estate investments.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,592
    edited December 8
    Sandpit said:

    theProle said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    As a recent-ish patient in several places, it seems to me that some management by walking around could harvest some low hanging fruit.

    For instance, my test last week included:-

    • the appointment letter being delivered literally as I left for the appointment
    • a booklet badly put together
    • a booklet that referred to the wrong hospital
    • signposting that ended short of the destination
    • some guesswork as to the correct waiting area
    • confusing directions about gowns
    So, investment needed in admin, rather than front line clinicians? 🤔
    Or maybe as well as.

    I have a slightly dodgy left thumb, it has been painful and "clicky" for a while. It needs looking at. Preferably on a Friday when I don't work. But I'm right handed so it's not my favourite digit, there's no rush.

    I haven't worked out how to book an appointment yet. The surgery website tells me I can book on line but the NHS app consistently tells me there's nothing available. There is no point requesting a teleconsult as someone needs to look at it. In any case, last time I had one of those I missed it, because the doctor rang at a random time and I was unable to get to my phone in time. Neither do they ring twice. Presumably I could join a telephone queue early in the morning but it's not an emergency.

    In contrast, Specsavers tell me it's time to have a new hearing test so I go online and book it at a time of my choosing, at the end of a working day so I only have to leave work a few minutes early. Yes it was a few weeks ahead, but again it's not urgent, convenience was more important.

    So, yes, the admin certainly has to improve.
    For such booking schemes to work there has to be capacity (and in your case capacity for someone who knows about hands, on a friday).

    Specsavers makes more money if it creates fresh capacity, the NHS does not, it has a finite budget.

    So the reduction in 18 week waits to what they were in 2010 is the base for what you need.
    The difference between Specsavers and the NHS is Specsavers has meaningful competition. Specsavers have to be able to offer you a reasonably priced appointment at that's convenient, otherwise you'd just go to Vision Express et-all instead. And since Specsavers is owned by rational capitalisists trying to turn a profit through client bookings, it's heavily in their interests to make the customers experience attractive.

    There is literally no "commercial" incentive to make the NHS patient experience attractive - if anything the reverse - less patients makes everything easier for everyone in the NHS.

    The difficulty is that this is very easy to observe, but much harder to fix.
    GPs are, at least on paper, in competition with each other, as are health trusts, so mindlessly invoking "the market" will not help, as we have seen from the 1980s onward. What Specsavers does have is scale and top-down direction, whereas fixing GP practices involves corralling thousands of independent GP practices.

    For instance, if I go to my GP's website, I can see at least two ways to make online requests, Klinik and the NHS App, and, oh, Evergreen Life is a third, and, oh no, the E-consult link looks like a fourth but just gives a message that the practice does not offer it (so why provide the link?) and Klinik requests are only accepted in normal working hours. Basically, it is a complete bloody mess even though I am welcome to take my "business" to a different practice.

    What Specsavers can do that Wes Streeting cannot is require that all practice web sites use software package X and absolutely no others, and the reason Streeting cannot do that is precisely because GP practices are in competition with each other.
    What Streeting can do though, is mandate a particular data structure and framework that NHS-approved software has to follow, and design an API themselves.

    Even better would be an NHS.gov website that interfaces with all the GP surgery software, and can highlight when and where GP appointments are available. Your local GP may be full up all week, but the one in the next town can do 14:30 tomorrow.
    That would require fundamental changes in how NHS funding works.

    It would also require rather better software than the crap that's been sold to most GP practices..

    Although the Microsoft v Google v AWS pitch for holding the core NHS dataset would be a sight to behold..
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 23,156
    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    Donald Trump's pick to be the US's new Surgeon General shot her father dead aged 13
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14169551/Donald-Trump-new-Surgeon-General-shot-dead-father-aged-13.html (£££)

    As this is the medical thread.

    I know it’s the Daily Mail but that’s unbelievably unfair framing in the headline.

    She knocked over a box in which a loaded gun was stored; it went off and the bullet hit her father in the face.

    It was a tragic accident that traumatised her. Fair play that it inspired her to get into medicine (she said it was because her father was bleeding out and she didn’t know how to help him)
    Almost every story about every person nominated to serve by Trump, is full of unfair framing and/or missing details. There’s a very well co-ordinated campaign to prevent his nominations from being confirmed.
    Given some of the complete loons he’s nominated, that’s a very good thing.
    It would be, if it were true!
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,249

    theProle said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    As a recent-ish patient in several places, it seems to me that some management by walking around could harvest some low hanging fruit.

    For instance, my test last week included:-

    • the appointment letter being delivered literally as I left for the appointment
    • a booklet badly put together
    • a booklet that referred to the wrong hospital
    • signposting that ended short of the destination
    • some guesswork as to the correct waiting area
    • confusing directions about gowns
    So, investment needed in admin, rather than front line clinicians? 🤔
    Or maybe as well as.

    I have a slightly dodgy left thumb, it has been painful and "clicky" for a while. It needs looking at. Preferably on a Friday when I don't work. But I'm right handed so it's not my favourite digit, there's no rush.

    I haven't worked out how to book an appointment yet. The surgery website tells me I can book on line but the NHS app consistently tells me there's nothing available. There is no point requesting a teleconsult as someone needs to look at it. In any case, last time I had one of those I missed it, because the doctor rang at a random time and I was unable to get to my phone in time. Neither do they ring twice. Presumably I could join a telephone queue early in the morning but it's not an emergency.

    In contrast, Specsavers tell me it's time to have a new hearing test so I go online and book it at a time of my choosing, at the end of a working day so I only have to leave work a few minutes early. Yes it was a few weeks ahead, but again it's not urgent, convenience was more important.

    So, yes, the admin certainly has to improve.
    For such booking schemes to work there has to be capacity (and in your case capacity for someone who knows about hands, on a friday).

    Specsavers makes more money if it creates fresh capacity, the NHS does not, it has a finite budget.

    So the reduction in 18 week waits to what they were in 2010 is the base for what you need.
    The difference between Specsavers and the NHS is Specsavers has meaningful competition. Specsavers have to be able to offer you a reasonably priced appointment at that's convenient, otherwise you'd just go to Vision Express et-all instead. And since Specsavers is owned by rational capitalisists trying to turn a profit through client bookings, it's heavily in their interests to make the customers experience attractive.

    There is literally no "commercial" incentive to make the NHS patient experience attractive - if anything the reverse - less patients makes everything easier for everyone in the NHS.

    The difficulty is that this is very easy to observe, but much harder to fix.
    GPs are, at least on paper, in competition with each other, as are health trusts, so mindlessly invoking "the market" will not help, as we have seen from the 1980s onward. What Specsavers does have is scale and top-down direction, whereas fixing GP practices involves corralling thousands of independent GP practices.

    For instance, if I go to my GP's website, I can see at least two ways to make online requests, Klinik and the NHS App, and, oh, Evergreen Life is a third, and, oh no, the E-consult link looks like a fourth but just gives a message that the practice does not offer it (so why provide the link?) and Klinik requests are only accepted in normal working hours. Basically, it is a complete bloody mess even though I am welcome to take my "business" to a different practice.

    What Specsavers can do that Wes Streeting cannot is require that all practice web sites use software package X and absolutely no others, and the reason Streeting cannot do that is precisely because GP practices are in competition with each other.
    GPs don’t compete with each other, really. They try and arrange things, if they can, so you have no choice of practise. The current mergers are removing choice where it exists.

    As to problems with incompatible systems etc. consider the word “Franchise”. Which is what SpecSavers is.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,062
    edited December 8

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    The PM is alive - and the Four Seasons meme resurfaces.

    Syrian rebels escorting out the Syrian prime minister, Mohammad Ghazi al-Jalali. He was hiding in the Four Seasons Hotel.
    https://x.com/Tendar/status/1865677330300969285

    They always like hiding out in international hotels. No-one dares send a rocket into one, lest some American businessman ends up as an unintended casualty. See also the Hamas leadership hiding out in Doha, until the Qataris cancelled their visas and told them to bugger off.
    Do we know where they went? I presume Turkey as they have reportedly have billions of reality estate investments.
    At least that’s what the Israelis are saying, and they problably have the best intelligence to know. https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-officials-booted-by-qatar-last-week-now-hosted-in-turkey-diplomat-says/
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,864

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    The PM is alive - and the Four Seasons meme resurfaces.

    Syrian rebels escorting out the Syrian prime minister, Mohammad Ghazi al-Jalali. He was hiding in the Four Seasons Hotel.
    https://x.com/Tendar/status/1865677330300969285

    They always like hiding out in international hotels. No-one dares send a rocket into one, lest some American businessman ends up as an unintended casualty. See also the Hamas leadership hiding out in Doha, until the Qataris cancelled their visas and told them to bugger off.
    Do we know where they went? I presume Turkey as they have reportedly have billions of reality estate investments.
    Reality estate investments? Are they Apprentice Trumpites?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,249
    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    Donald Trump's pick to be the US's new Surgeon General shot her father dead aged 13
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14169551/Donald-Trump-new-Surgeon-General-shot-dead-father-aged-13.html (£££)

    As this is the medical thread.

    I know it’s the Daily Mail but that’s unbelievably unfair framing in the headline.

    She knocked over a box in which a loaded gun was stored; it went off and the bullet hit her father in the face.

    It was a tragic accident that traumatised her. Fair play that it inspired her to get into medicine (she said it was because her father was bleeding out and she didn’t know how to help him)
    Almost every story about every person nominated to serve by Trump, is full of unfair framing and/or missing details. There’s a very well co-ordinated campaign to prevent his nominations from being confirmed.
    Given some of the complete loons he’s nominated, that’s a very good thing.
    Curiously, as last time, he has nominated someone for NASA administrator who is sane and competent.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,864
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    The PM is alive - and the Four Seasons meme resurfaces.

    Syrian rebels escorting out the Syrian prime minister, Mohammad Ghazi al-Jalali. He was hiding in the Four Seasons Hotel.
    https://x.com/Tendar/status/1865677330300969285

    They always like hiding out in international hotels. No-one dares send a rocket into one, lest some American businessman ends up as an unintended casualty. See also the Hamas leadership hiding out in Doha, until the Qataris cancelled their visas and told them to bugger off.
    Do we know where they went? I presume Turkey as they have reportedly have billions of reality estate investments.
    At least that’s what the Israelis are saying, and they problably have the best intelligence to know. https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-officials-booted-by-qatar-last-week-now-hosted-in-turkey-diplomat-says/
    Appropriate to be in Turkey given they’re totally stuffed.
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