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  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800

    surbiton said:
    First post below article:

    "Oh dear God. Is this down to that Shapps berk?
    I saw it on twitter and genuinely believed that it was a Labour spoof doing the rounds.

    There's out of touch and there's off the bloody planet."

    Do all these people not realise that it is a fantastic PR stunt advertising a fantastic Tory policy aimed at thickoes....or that was how it was described earlier.
    Pouting boy, are you happy that Labour think you are too stupid to spend your own money sensibly?
  • glwglw Posts: 9,954
    Carola said:


    Tina Stowell @tinastowell

    Jaw on floor. A Labour spokesman on #newsnight just said "you can't trust people to spend their own money

    Who was the spokesman ?

    John McTernan.
    Now that will make a good poster.
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800

    SeanT said:

    'YOU CAN'T TRUST PEOPLE TO SPEND THEIR OWN MONEY SENSIBLY' - a senior Labour politician.

    Really, that is just GOLD. Every single Tory spin doc in the realm should be on that tomorrow. Hammer it home. Don't let go. Put it on posters. It is immortal. It sums up Labour's deep, concealed contempt for their voters in a sentence. They think their own supporters are thick, nasty, stupid, Illiterate racists, which is why they must never be allowed a say on Europe. Or even a say on their own pensions.

    Breathtaking.

    Absolutely 100% agree.

    This is the day Labour lost the next election.
    I have never voted Tory but......LOL!
    But what?
  • TomTom Posts: 273
    LOL at bloke who is not a labour politician, but an unemployed spin doctor that no-one has heard of says something on newsnight that no-one cares about, nor will hear about, has lost labour the election I would guess.
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805

    I have my final salary pension also, which seems to be safe for now due to the Tories accepting the Hutton report. I also have a modest SIPP pension as back up. I do not entirely trust governments not to raid my superannuation.

    Currently medical NHS super annuation is a net contributor to the treasury, but if this changes to be a net drain on the exchequer then it may be under threat.

    Always have a back up plan*

    * no requirement for this if running the YES campaign, as bluff and bluster will do

    Carola said:

    Carola said:

    That does seem to be the case up to £30 000, or a tax free lump sum of a quarter of the total pot. Above that the drawdown rules may mean that you can only withdraw the amount that you would have got from an annuity. It may well be these still exist, but not yet clear.



    Carola said:

    On the pension thing - as I understand it, which doesn't mean much - can people now cash in and spend the lot when they retire?

    Cheers.
    Peter Hargreaves, of Hargreaves Lansdowne has sumarised the changes here: https://www.hl.co.uk/news/articles/budget-2014

    I had missed the abolition of the 10% rate of tax on savings up to £5 000. That will be useful to pensioners with modest savings.

    It does seem as if the drawdown limits will exist with a maximum drawdown rate of 150% of an annuity for next year. The consultation about being able to take the lot and spend, spend spend starts on March 27th.

    I have a private SIPP pension with HL.
    I have a pension from my *easy years* in the private sector, thinking about it. I need to swot up on retirement I reckon. Those shadows are lengthening.

    Plus my public sector feather-bedded gold-plater of course. Dunno what I'm worrying about.

    We're still waiting for a report into our pensions to be published, far as I know. A couple of years or so now I think. Lose track. We waited - a year? - for the report on workload. Anyway. To bed before it turns into a pumpkin.
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    From the Torygraph "As Chandler from Friends might have put it: Could you guys possibly BE any more moronic?
    And as someone in CCHQ is certainly saying at the moment, looking at the PR wreckage on Twitter: Oh. My. God."

    I want to know why all these people are not seeing it as fantastic PR for a brilliant Tory policy for Thickoes*

    * Copyright Sean T
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Tom said:

    In what sense is John McTernan a senior politician?

    He's not.
    He's a rent-a-gob/PR 'guru' who even little Ed won't have back officially after his disasterous stints in Scotland and Australia but he is known to be close to the 'better together' campaign for No.

    He's also not in charge of the CCHQ PR for the coming May elections while the hilariously incompetent Shapps is. Not something the effete posh chaps will understand obviously as they scrabble about for excuses.
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    GN all Con gain everything!
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,711
    After all this
    SeanT said:

    'YOU CAN'T TRUST PEOPLE TO SPEND THEIR OWN MONEY SENSIBLY' - a senior Labour politician.

    Really, that is just GOLD. Every single Tory spin doc in the realm should be on that tomorrow. Hammer it home. Don't let go. Put it on posters. It is immortal. It sums up Labour's deep, concealed contempt for their voters in a sentence. They think their own supporters are thick, nasty, stupid, Illiterate racists, which is why they must never be allowed a say on Europe. Or even a say on their own pensions.

    Breathtaking.

    After all this stuff about Shapps and his bingo tweet, the day ends with a Labour politician making one of the most arrogant and belittling remarks to a voting public in the history of democracy. This will be carved on the Labour Party's tombstone.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    SeanT said:

    @BBCNewsnight: You can't trust people to spend their own money sensibly - Labour's @johnmcternan on #newsnight.

    Well, that's killed the 'patronizing Shapps and his bingo' attack stone dead. Labour are now sneering at the masses who presume to believe they can manage there own financial affairs. Labour just need this day to end!
    It hasn't,they just showed the shapps/bingo tweet on sky news.

    a) How many people will see this poster?
    b) How many Bingo players use twitter?

    The bien pensants may think it patronising - beer drinking bingo players, being told the good news, may not.....
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371

    surbiton said:
    First post below article:

    "Oh dear God. Is this down to that Shapps berk?
    I saw it on twitter and genuinely believed that it was a Labour spoof doing the rounds.

    There's out of touch and there's off the bloody planet."

    Do all these people not realise that it is a fantastic PR stunt advertising a fantastic Tory policy aimed at thickoes....or that was how it was described earlier.
    Pouting boy, are you happy that Labour think you are too stupid to spend your own money sensibly?
    I hope Labour put a cap on the price of whippets to help hardworking people do more of the things they enjoy doing.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Ave_it said:

    GN all Con gain everything!

    Night ave it,hope you on a lot more pal.

  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Tom said:

    LOL at bloke who is not a labour politician, but an unemployed spin doctor that no-one has heard of says something on newsnight that no-one cares about, nor will hear about, has lost labour the election I would guess.

    Indeed. The shrieking from the out of touch fops is getting to hysterical levels now.

    Most amusing. :)
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371

    SeanT said:

    @BBCNewsnight: You can't trust people to spend their own money sensibly - Labour's @johnmcternan on #newsnight.

    Well, that's killed the 'patronizing Shapps and his bingo' attack stone dead. Labour are now sneering at the masses who presume to believe they can manage there own financial affairs. Labour just need this day to end!
    It hasn't,they just showed the shapps/bingo tweet on sky news.

    a) How many people will see this poster?
    Err....quite a few more now they are showing it on Sky News....no?
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    'YOU CAN'T TRUST PEOPLE TO SPEND THEIR OWN MONEY SENSIBLY'

    Errm, no you can't - unless it's LHA... [Another great idea from Labour]

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8152937.stm

    Arrfff...
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    SeanT said:

    @BBCNewsnight: You can't trust people to spend their own money sensibly - Labour's @johnmcternan on #newsnight.

    Well, that's killed the 'patronizing Shapps and his bingo' attack stone dead. Labour are now sneering at the masses who presume to believe they can manage there own financial affairs. Labour just need this day to end!
    It hasn't,they just showed the shapps/bingo tweet on sky news.

    a) How many people will see this poster?
    b) How many Bingo players use twitter?

    The bien pensants may think it patronising - beer drinking bingo players, being told the good news, may not.....
    I'm just poor northerner and what I get from the tweet is desperation from labour ;-)

  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    SeanT said:

    @BBCNewsnight: You can't trust people to spend their own money sensibly - Labour's @johnmcternan on #newsnight.

    Well, that's killed the 'patronizing Shapps and his bingo' attack stone dead. Labour are now sneering at the masses who presume to believe they can manage there own financial affairs. Labour just need this day to end!
    It hasn't,they just showed the shapps/bingo tweet on sky news.

    a) How many people will see this poster?
    Err....quite a few more now they are showing it on Sky News....no?
    Where do you reckon it will appear in the ITV poll on news stories?
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530

    SeanT said:

    @BBCNewsnight: You can't trust people to spend their own money sensibly - Labour's @johnmcternan on #newsnight.

    Well, that's killed the 'patronizing Shapps and his bingo' attack stone dead. Labour are now sneering at the masses who presume to believe they can manage there own financial affairs. Labour just need this day to end!
    It hasn't,they just showed the shapps/bingo tweet on sky news.

    a) How many people will see this poster?
    Err....quite a few more now they are showing it on Sky News....no?
    But Sky news is biased for the... oh, wait a minute..

    ITV News ‏@itvnews 11m

    Danny Alexander: Beer and bingo tweet from Tory party chair @grantshapps 'patronising' and 'pretty extraordinary' http://www.itv.com/news/story/2014-03-19/backlash-at-patronising-online-budget-advert/
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800

    surbiton said:
    First post below article:

    "Oh dear God. Is this down to that Shapps berk?
    I saw it on twitter and genuinely believed that it was a Labour spoof doing the rounds.

    There's out of touch and there's off the bloody planet."

    Do all these people not realise that it is a fantastic PR stunt advertising a fantastic Tory policy aimed at thickoes....or that was how it was described earlier.
    Pouting boy, are you happy that Labour think you are too stupid to spend your own money sensibly?
    I hope Labour put a cap on the price of whippets to help hardworking people do more of the things they enjoy doing.
    I'm not going to comment, just leave others to see what you are.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,121
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26658742

    Former deputy prime minister Lord Prescott waded into the debate, tweeting: "Families worse off by £1,600 a year. Tory #budget2014 answer? Let them play bingo!"

    And shadow health secretary Andy Burnham said the ad reminded him "of Mr Cholmondley-Warner when he asked Grayson to investigate the 'working class'".

  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371

    SeanT said:

    @BBCNewsnight: You can't trust people to spend their own money sensibly - Labour's @johnmcternan on #newsnight.

    Well, that's killed the 'patronizing Shapps and his bingo' attack stone dead. Labour are now sneering at the masses who presume to believe they can manage there own financial affairs. Labour just need this day to end!
    It hasn't,they just showed the shapps/bingo tweet on sky news.

    a) How many people will see this poster?
    Err....quite a few more now they are showing it on Sky News....no?
    Where do you reckon it will appear in the ITV poll on news stories?
    Speaking of ITV:

    http://www.itv.com/news/story/2014-03-19/backlash-at-patronising-online-budget-advert/
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523

    SeanT said:

    @BBCNewsnight: You can't trust people to spend their own money sensibly - Labour's @johnmcternan on #newsnight.

    Well, that's killed the 'patronizing Shapps and his bingo' attack stone dead. Labour are now sneering at the masses who presume to believe they can manage there own financial affairs. Labour just need this day to end!
    It hasn't,they just showed the shapps/bingo tweet on sky news.

    a) How many people will see this poster?
    b) How many Bingo players use twitter?

    The bien pensants may think it patronising - beer drinking bingo players, being told the good news, may not.....
    A lot of Bingo-ettes play online now either as well or instead because of the smoking ban and they're on facebook as well for the grandkids so they probably will see it if it gets on facebook.

    Personally i think the relevant Lab voters might like it but the Ukip equivalent won't but all a guess really - funny though.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26658742

    Former deputy prime minister Lord Prescott waded into the debate, tweeting: "Families worse off by £1,600 a year. Tory #budget2014 answer? Let them play bingo!"

    And shadow health secretary Andy Burnham said the ad reminded him "of Mr Cholmondley-Warner when he asked Grayson to investigate the 'working class'".

    A row publicising tax cuts is going to be really damaging......

  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26658742

    Former deputy prime minister Lord Prescott waded into the debate, tweeting: "Families worse off by £1,600 a year. Tory #budget2014 answer? Let them play bingo!"

    And shadow health secretary Andy Burnham said the ad reminded him "of Mr Cholmondley-Warner when he asked Grayson to investigate the 'working class'".

    Foptastic!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQWPR9TM0Gk
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    SeanT said:

    @BBCNewsnight: You can't trust people to spend their own money sensibly - Labour's @johnmcternan on #newsnight.

    Well, that's killed the 'patronizing Shapps and his bingo' attack stone dead. Labour are now sneering at the masses who presume to believe they can manage there own financial affairs. Labour just need this day to end!
    It hasn't,they just showed the shapps/bingo tweet on sky news.

    a) How many people will see this poster?
    Err....quite a few more now they are showing it on Sky News....no?
    Where do you reckon it will appear in the ITV poll on news stories?
    Speaking of ITV:

    http://www.itv.com/news/story/2014-03-19/backlash-at-patronising-online-budget-advert/
    Thats "nowhere" then......
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,016
    I heard an hour of Drive on the way home tonight and I think that Mr Osborne will be very happy with his day's work. The message coming over loud and clear was what Peter Allan was calling "quite depressing". The mess is not fixed and needs many hard decisions still to be taken. The consensus on this went well beyond the usual suspects to pretty much everyone who was qualified to have a view. This really left Labour with nowhere to go and they sounded frankly daft.

    I am sure that Osborne and Alexander are determined to frame the next election this way. Alexander was on and exceptionally good, dripping contempt for Labour's position but making it clear that the Lib Dems were committed to this budget settlement. He indicated that they would prefer more tax rises than cuts than the tories in the next Parliament but dismissed the idea that this was the choice as a fantasy.

    I should also say that the SNP spokesman, Stuart Hosie I think, came across well. Even the chap from PC made a few good points. Labour really had nothing to say. If they allow this narrative to take hold they are in trouble.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    I am a regular beer drinker and a keen bingo player.

    I don't feel in the least patronised by a tax cut on activities I enjoy.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,121
    This afternoon, George Osborne just gave what must surely the best ever Budget given by a Tory Chancellor, or perhaps even by any Chancellor! Never has the Conservative tradition in our great nation had such a charismatic luminary! Never has the Right had such a politically astute standard bearer!

    Such poise, such alacrity! Wow!

    And his repertoire of jokes would put even Harry Hill to shame!

    George is supremely confident, articulate, passionate and inspirational, and I hope you will agree with me that he is a refreshing alternative to the smarmy, puffed up posh-boy Ed Miliband!
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371

    This afternoon, George Osborne just gave what must surely the best ever Budget given by a Tory Chancellor, or perhaps even by any Chancellor! Never has the Conservative tradition in our great nation had such a charismatic luminary! Never has the Right had such a politically astute standard bearer!

    Such poise, such alacrity! Wow!

    And his repertoire of jokes would put even Harry Hill to shame!

    George is supremely confident, articulate, passionate and inspirational, and I hope you will agree with me that he is a refreshing alternative to the smarmy, puffed up posh-boy Ed Miliband!

    Something tells me, like Ed, you had that pre-written ;-)
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Sky: Russia may 'change its stance' in the Iranian nuclear talks as a consequence of the West's stance over Ukraine...
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815

    This afternoon, George Osborne just gave what must surely the best ever Budget given by a Tory Chancellor, or perhaps even by any Chancellor! Never has the Conservative tradition in our great nation had such a charismatic luminary! Never has the Right had such a politically astute standard bearer!

    Such poise, such alacrity! Wow!

    And his repertoire of jokes would put even Harry Hill to shame!

    George is supremely confident, articulate, passionate and inspirational, and I hope you will agree with me that he is a refreshing alternative to the smarmy, puffed up posh-boy Ed Miliband!

    Something tells me, like Ed, you had that pre-written ;-)
    Comrade Sunilsky is our All Union Commissar of Understatement.

    правда.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Richard K Hornsey ‏@richardkhornsey 1h

    Danny Alexander thought the bingo poster was a spoof. For me, the most misjudged ad since Labour's Gene Hunt poster in 2010. #Newsnight

    James Landale ‏@BBCJLandale 1h

    Danny Alexander says Conservative bingo ad about his department's budget is "patronising" #newsnight

    Callum Jones ‏@CallumIJones 1h

    "I think it's rather patronising," Lib Dem Treasury Chief Sec Danny Alexander tells #Newsnight re:Conservative bingo ad



    Danny Alexander: Tory bingo advert 'patronising'

    George Osborne's Liberal Democrat deputy in the Treasury joined the chorus of criticism against the Tory bingo advert tweeted by Grant Shapps, saying he thought it was "patronising".

    Treasury Chief Secretary Danny Alexander told BBC2's Newsnight:

    I thought it was a spoof at first, it's just pretty extraordinary.

    It may be our Budget but it's their words, I think it's rather patronising.


    Also I think it actually demeans some quite sensible things. There are good reasons to be supporting bingo, there are good reasons to be encouraging our pub sector to be stronger - that's the analysis behind those measures.

    This language, well that's for Grant Shapps to justify.


    *tears of laughter etc.*

    This from the same out of touch old biddies and shriekers who thought the incompetent fop Osbrowne's omnishambes was such a winner.


    "We're all in this together."

    LOL
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,121
    AveryLP said:

    This afternoon, George Osborne just gave what must surely the best ever Budget given by a Tory Chancellor, or perhaps even by any Chancellor! Never has the Conservative tradition in our great nation had such a charismatic luminary! Never has the Right had such a politically astute standard bearer!

    Such poise, such alacrity! Wow!

    And his repertoire of jokes would put even Harry Hill to shame!

    George is supremely confident, articulate, passionate and inspirational, and I hope you will agree with me that he is a refreshing alternative to the smarmy, puffed up posh-boy Ed Miliband!

    Something tells me, like Ed, you had that pre-written ;-)
    Comrade Sunilsky is our All Union Commissar of Understatement.

    правда.
    Comrade Chancellor! Fantastically brilliant Budget! You'll receive the Order of Lenin Thatcher for this!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,121
    RodCrosby said:

    Sky: Russia may 'change its stance' in the Iranian nuclear talks as a consequence of the West's stance over Ukraine...

    "The Crimeans have spoken so clearly about their future, and now other countries right across the world, I hope, will respect and revere this very, very clear result."
    - David Cameron :)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_Islands_sovereignty_referendum,_2013
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    Those left wingers on Sky keep bringing up Grant Shapps #LetThemEatBingo.......oh, wait there.
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @CarlottaVance

    Surely we can at least have a week without another Saint Alex shambles.

    Currency, EU membership ,jobs,university fees and now oil tax estimates.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530

    Those left wingers on Sky keep bringing up Grant Shapps #LetThemEatBingo.......oh, wait there.

    Another week another fop shambles.

    The PB tories are always wrong. The PB tories never learn.

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,624
    surbiton said:

    surbiton said:

    Problem for Osborne is that he wishes he was like Lawson. The difference is that Lawson possesses a brain.........

    Agree that Lawson does indeed posses a brain as can be witnessed by his vehement opposition to the climate warming bollocks.

    But even though I am a kipper and have never voted Tory, Osborne is beginning to look like an economic genius.
    The only G7 country with economic output still lower than 2008 !!!
    That will be because our GDP fell faster than most other countries because we were more levered. Private sector debt in Spain, Ireland and the UK reached enormous levels - well over 200% of GDP.

    Since then, we've done a very good job in delevering. Private sector debt to GDP has fallen 30%; only Ireland has done more.
  • TomTom Posts: 273
    One problem for the Blues is that even the laudatory headlines have to be accompanied by a photo of the nearly perfect Chancellor's gurning coupon - with that odd expression of sly self consciousness. I suspect many readers just think 'I hate that bloke' and don't read on or give him any credit. Its kind of the inverse of OGH's pre-election theory that DC being in the news (regardless of the story) boosted Tory ratings.

    Obviously Labour has the same problem with the Eds - which may in part explain why they are reasonably happy to sit back and see what happens.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Australian search and rescue teams may be closing in on MH370:

    [I]"Hourly satellite pings from the aircraft, refined by U.S. and British aviation officials, provided far more information than expected"[/i]:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2584816/Search-area-missing-jet-dramatically-narrowed-US-officials-hone-satellite-signals-engine.html

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/03/19/article-0-1C6E826300000578-619_634x364.jpg
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,121
    Godfrey Bloom isn't happy with the Budget!

    "How we can possibly be giving £1bn a month, when we're in this sort of debt, to Bingo Bingo Land is completely beyond me."

  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,449


    Tina Stowell @tinastowell

    Jaw on floor. A Labour spokesman on #newsnight just said "you can't trust people to spend their own money

    Who was the spokesman ?

    Judging by the billions people waste every year on things they don't need (and then borrow from Wonga) there is a large subset of the population for which that statement is true.
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