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  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,295
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    This sounds like an American version of Cummings.

    https://x.com/doge/status/1857076831104434289

    We are very grateful to the thousands of Americans who have expressed interest in helping us at DOGE. We don’t need more part-time idea generators. We need super high-IQ small-government revolutionaries willing to work 80+ hours per week on unglamorous cost-cutting. If that’s you, DM this account with your CV. Elon & Vivek will review the top 1% of applicants.

    This is going to be an absolute disaster.


    ‪Aaron Rupar‬ ‪@atrupar.bsky.social‬
    ·
    10m
    House Republicans are now saying that Trump will cut *more* than $2 trillion in federal spending (check out the look on Maria Bartiromo's face when Ralph Normal says this)

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.bsky.social/post/3layjpmmnic2q
    Surely, 'will redirect more than $2 trillion from the people who voted for him to his own pocket?'
    Is he though, Trump got just 6.5% in DC which is where most Federal government workers work and he only tied Harris with over 65s despite winning the popular vote nationally and while he won middle income earners, the lowest earners earning under $30 000 still voted for Harris over him overall.

    His tariffs might hit his middle income voters with price rises but his spending cuts won't so much as most are middle income and middle aged private sector workers
    Depends on what he cuts. I'm assuming Medicare and Medicaid are very much in the firing line.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,751
    MaxPB said:

    I'm going to put my religious hat on for a moment and say, yes - the government was right to apologise for serving meat at a Hindu religious event. Not because they served it, but because they would never make the same mistake at a Jewish or Muslim religious event. Hindus are very much seen as second class citizens by Labour and this is actually just further proof that they just don't care enough to do the research properly.

    We don't fit into their precious marginalised voter groups and we don't bitch and moan like victims so I guess we're easy to ignore.

    Sounds like a bit of a bitch/moan.
  • DoubleCarpetDoubleCarpet Posts: 888

    Incoming US government official says the UK has become a police state.

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1857420350516056102

    Not if you're a shoplifter.
    Nigelb said:

    Fishing said:

    Can we award the US electorate the group Darwin Award 2024?

    In a year in which we elected Free Gear Keir, Rachel Thieves, Lammy, Rayner, etc., I think we're definitely in the glasshouse.
    We didn't; a minority of the electorate did.

    Say what you like about Trump, he fooled an actual majority of those who voted.
    Much easier to do when there's only 2 parties/candidates.

    No UK govt has done this since 1931 IIRC.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,691

    MaxPB said:

    I'm going to put my religious hat on for a moment and say, yes - the government was right to apologise for serving meat at a Hindu religious event. Not because they served it, but because they would never make the same mistake at a Jewish or Muslim religious event. Hindus are very much seen as second class citizens by Labour and this is actually just further proof that they just don't care enough to do the research properly.

    We don't fit into their precious marginalised voter groups and we don't bitch and moan like victims so I guess we're easy to ignore.

    Sounds like a bit of a bitch/moan.
    You're such a dullard sometimes OLB.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,715

    Telegraph trying to turn itself into a parody of itself.....

    ‘My £4k Smeg hob doesn’t work with my Le Creuset pans – I’m furious’

    Obviously it won't, with a description like that.

    Oh, you mean, they don't watch Red Dwarf?
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,751

    Incoming US government official says the UK has become a police state.

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1857420350516056102

    Coming from the people who want to round up "illegals" and put them in camps.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,751
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    I'm going to put my religious hat on for a moment and say, yes - the government was right to apologise for serving meat at a Hindu religious event. Not because they served it, but because they would never make the same mistake at a Jewish or Muslim religious event. Hindus are very much seen as second class citizens by Labour and this is actually just further proof that they just don't care enough to do the research properly.

    We don't fit into their precious marginalised voter groups and we don't bitch and moan like victims so I guess we're easy to ignore.

    Sounds like a bit of a bitch/moan.
    You're such a dullard sometimes OLB.
    I was merely admiring your chutzpah.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,295

    Incoming US government official says the UK has become a police state.

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1857420350516056102

    Not if you're a shoplifter.
    Nigelb said:

    Fishing said:

    Can we award the US electorate the group Darwin Award 2024?

    In a year in which we elected Free Gear Keir, Rachel Thieves, Lammy, Rayner, etc., I think we're definitely in the glasshouse.
    We didn't; a minority of the electorate did.

    Say what you like about Trump, he fooled an actual majority of those who voted.
    Much easier to do when there's only 2 parties/candidates.

    No UK govt has done this since 1931 IIRC.
    Correct. In 1951 Labour got 48.8%,* in 1955 the Tories got 49.7% of the vote and in 1959 they got 49.4% of the vote, but nothing higher. 1931 is the only election since 1918 where one party got over 50%, although in both 1918 and 1935 incumbent governing coalitions managed it between several parties.

    *There's a crazy irony that Labour's highest voteshare came in an election they lost.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,753
    Nigelb said:

    Tulsi Gabbard tweeted that Japan was America’s enemy because of Pearl Harbor—within hours of Japan giving Ukraine a loan.
    https://x.com/hissgoescobra/status/1856801708627710186

    Some top analysis from the prospective National Security Advisor.

    Yeah, Michael Bay really missed the point with that one!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,058
    Cookie said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://x.com/maxtempers/status/1857404665786232843

    The Chancellor, Rachel Reeves, worked as a ‘complaints support manager’ and not as an economist in a bank according to a former colleague.

    She resigned after being exposed ‘doing Labour council business’ under the guise of frequent doctor’s and dental appointments.

    Mind you complaints manager at HBOS might now look better on her CV than economist advising RBS before the 2008 crash
    This rumour popped up a month ago and was slapped down again. I can't tell if this is the same source or a separate source repeating it.
    Well it's "Kev Gillett". Make of that what you will.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,753
    MaxPB said:

    I'm going to put my religious hat on for a moment and say, yes - the government was right to apologise for serving meat at a Hindu religious event. Not because they served it, but because they would never make the same mistake at a Jewish or Muslim religious event. Hindus are very much seen as second class citizens by Labour and this is actually just further proof that they just don't care enough to do the research properly.

    We don't fit into their precious marginalised voter groups and we don't bitch and moan like victims so I guess we're easy to ignore.

    Since when is vegetarianism compulsory in Hinduism? The prohibition is on beef, surely.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,295

    MaxPB said:

    I'm going to put my religious hat on for a moment and say, yes - the government was right to apologise for serving meat at a Hindu religious event. Not because they served it, but because they would never make the same mistake at a Jewish or Muslim religious event. Hindus are very much seen as second class citizens by Labour and this is actually just further proof that they just don't care enough to do the research properly.

    We don't fit into their precious marginalised voter groups and we don't bitch and moan like victims so I guess we're easy to ignore.

    Since when is vegetarianism compulsory in Hinduism? The prohibition is on beef, surely.
    Do you have a beef with vegetarianism?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,014
    On the Elon in Government thing

    One to watch is this. Amazon are trying to launch Kuiper - a rival to the Starlink network.

    Kuiper is a smaller number of satellites in higher orbits. But it still requires 3.236 satellites for phase one.

    Under its FCC license, Amazon is required to launch and operate 50% of its satellites no later than July 30, 2026, and must launch and operate the remaining satellites no later than July 30, 2029.

    Currently they have a grand total of two (2) satellites operating for testing.

    The original plan was to launch the constellation using New Glenn, from Blue Origin, the company owned by Jeff Bezos.

    This has been delayed - the first launch will occur sometime in the near future. The vehicle is being prepared for flight now.

    To deal with this delay, Amazon purchased launches from everyone they could. ULA, Ariane and even SpaceX. However many of the rockets they bet on have been delayed. And the satellites themselves are not yet coming off the lines.

    So, it is close to certain that by 30th July 2026, they won’t have launched half their constellation.

    At which point the FCC can either grant a waiver. Or cancel their frequency allocation, putting them out of business.

    Which will it be?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,715
    edited 2:50PM

    MaxPB said:

    I'm going to put my religious hat on for a moment and say, yes - the government was right to apologise for serving meat at a Hindu religious event. Not because they served it, but because they would never make the same mistake at a Jewish or Muslim religious event. Hindus are very much seen as second class citizens by Labour and this is actually just further proof that they just don't care enough to do the research properly.

    We don't fit into their precious marginalised voter groups and we don't bitch and moan like victims so I guess we're easy to ignore.

    Since when is vegetarianism compulsory in Hinduism? The prohibition is on beef, surely.
    ...
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,014

    Nigelb said:

    Tulsi Gabbard tweeted that Japan was America’s enemy because of Pearl Harbor—within hours of Japan giving Ukraine a loan.
    https://x.com/hissgoescobra/status/1856801708627710186

    Some top analysis from the prospective National Security Advisor.

    Yeah, Michael Bay really missed the point with that one!
    “Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbour???!!??”
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,295
    Carnyx said:

    MaxPB said:

    I'm going to put my religious hat on for a moment and say, yes - the government was right to apologise for serving meat at a Hindu religious event. Not because they served it, but because they would never make the same mistake at a Jewish or Muslim religious event. Hindus are very much seen as second class citizens by Labour and this is actually just further proof that they just don't care enough to do the research properly.

    We don't fit into their precious marginalised voter groups and we don't bitch and moan like victims so I guess we're easy to ignore.

    Since when is vegetarianism compulsory in Hinduism? The prohibition is on beef, surely.
    ...
    Are you suggesting people are sikhing to be offended?
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,721
    edited 2:52PM
    ydoethur said:

    Incoming US government official says the UK has become a police state.

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1857420350516056102

    Not if you're a shoplifter.
    Nigelb said:

    Fishing said:

    Can we award the US electorate the group Darwin Award 2024?

    In a year in which we elected Free Gear Keir, Rachel Thieves, Lammy, Rayner, etc., I think we're definitely in the glasshouse.
    We didn't; a minority of the electorate did.

    Say what you like about Trump, he fooled an actual majority of those who voted.
    Much easier to do when there's only 2 parties/candidates.

    No UK govt has done this since 1931 IIRC.
    Correct. In 1951 Labour got 48.8%,* in 1955 the Tories got 49.7% of the vote and in 1959 they got 49.4% of the vote, but nothing higher. 1931 is the only election since 1918 where one party got over 50%, although in both 1918 and 1935 incumbent governing coalitions managed it between several parties.

    *There's a crazy irony that Labour's highest voteshare came in an election they lost.
    No *party* has won more than 50% of the votes since 1931 but the *government* did so in 1935, as you have to add together the various parts of the National government alliance, who for obvious reasons had an electoral pact, which gave them 51.8%.

    Also, Trump will probably end up under 50%. He's on 50.1% at the moment and California is still getting through its painfully slow count.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,691

    MaxPB said:

    I'm going to put my religious hat on for a moment and say, yes - the government was right to apologise for serving meat at a Hindu religious event. Not because they served it, but because they would never make the same mistake at a Jewish or Muslim religious event. Hindus are very much seen as second class citizens by Labour and this is actually just further proof that they just don't care enough to do the research properly.

    We don't fit into their precious marginalised voter groups and we don't bitch and moan like victims so I guess we're easy to ignore.

    Since when is vegetarianism compulsory in Hinduism? The prohibition is on beef, surely.
    Ahimsa is foundational to all Hindu teaching. Even Rajputs and other meat eating castes respect it for Diwali.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,270

    MaxPB said:

    I'm going to put my religious hat on for a moment and say, yes - the government was right to apologise for serving meat at a Hindu religious event. Not because they served it, but because they would never make the same mistake at a Jewish or Muslim religious event. Hindus are very much seen as second class citizens by Labour and this is actually just further proof that they just don't care enough to do the research properly.

    We don't fit into their precious marginalised voter groups and we don't bitch and moan like victims so I guess we're easy to ignore.

    Sounds like a bit of a bitch/moan.
    Would one necessarily assume that a Hindu function should be vegetarian and teetotal? I know Hindus who are neither.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,753

    Incoming US government official says the UK has become a police state.

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1857420350516056102

    Not if you're a shoplifter.
    Nigelb said:

    Fishing said:

    Can we award the US electorate the group Darwin Award 2024?

    In a year in which we elected Free Gear Keir, Rachel Thieves, Lammy, Rayner, etc., I think we're definitely in the glasshouse.
    We didn't; a minority of the electorate did.

    Say what you like about Trump, he fooled an actual majority of those who voted.
    Much easier to do when there's only 2 parties/candidates.

    No UK govt has done this since 1931 IIRC.
    In 1931, it was 55% for the Tories, and 67% for the National Government as a whole.

    In 1935, it was 48% for the Tories, and 52% for the National Government.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,650
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    This sounds like an American version of Cummings.

    https://x.com/doge/status/1857076831104434289

    We are very grateful to the thousands of Americans who have expressed interest in helping us at DOGE. We don’t need more part-time idea generators. We need super high-IQ small-government revolutionaries willing to work 80+ hours per week on unglamorous cost-cutting. If that’s you, DM this account with your CV. Elon & Vivek will review the top 1% of applicants.

    This is going to be an absolute disaster.


    ‪Aaron Rupar‬ ‪@atrupar.bsky.social‬
    ·
    10m
    House Republicans are now saying that Trump will cut *more* than $2 trillion in federal spending (check out the look on Maria Bartiromo's face when Ralph Normal says this)

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.bsky.social/post/3layjpmmnic2q
    Surely, 'will redirect more than $2 trillion from the people who voted for him to his own pocket?'
    Is he though, Trump got just 6.5% in DC which is where most Federal government workers work and he only tied Harris with over 65s despite winning the popular vote nationally and while he won middle income earners, the lowest earners earning under $30 000 still voted for Harris over him overall.

    His tariffs might hit his middle income voters with price rises but his spending cuts won't so much as most are middle income and middle aged private sector workers
    Depends on what he cuts. I'm assuming Medicare and Medicaid are very much in the firing line.
    Again hits pensioners and the lowest earners more even those cuts, as I said his voters are mainly middle aged and middle income private sector workers
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,715
    edited 2:54PM
    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    MaxPB said:

    I'm going to put my religious hat on for a moment and say, yes - the government was right to apologise for serving meat at a Hindu religious event. Not because they served it, but because they would never make the same mistake at a Jewish or Muslim religious event. Hindus are very much seen as second class citizens by Labour and this is actually just further proof that they just don't care enough to do the research properly.

    We don't fit into their precious marginalised voter groups and we don't bitch and moan like victims so I guess we're easy to ignore.

    Since when is vegetarianism compulsory in Hinduism? The prohibition is on beef, surely.
    ...
    Are you suggesting people are sikhing to be offended?
    Dunno (not an expert in religions). But just gone off to check: yes, the invitation was to a range of 'communities' which I take to mean religions.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,691
    Sean_F said:

    MaxPB said:

    I'm going to put my religious hat on for a moment and say, yes - the government was right to apologise for serving meat at a Hindu religious event. Not because they served it, but because they would never make the same mistake at a Jewish or Muslim religious event. Hindus are very much seen as second class citizens by Labour and this is actually just further proof that they just don't care enough to do the research properly.

    We don't fit into their precious marginalised voter groups and we don't bitch and moan like victims so I guess we're easy to ignore.

    Sounds like a bit of a bitch/moan.
    Would one necessarily assume that a Hindu function should be vegetarian and teetotal? I know Hindus who are neither.
    If they'd spoken to one then they'd have been told to make it vegetarian for sure, alcohol definitely doesn't matter though.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,721

    Sean_F said:

    kamski said:

    kamski said:

    Nigelb said:

    kamski said:

    Scott_xP said:

    It is bizarre that Trump's Cabinet choices are so bizarre. You'd think he would look for quietly-competent careerists to implement his programme, advance his reputation and not compete for headlines.

    Why?

    He himself is bulletproof (according to SCOTUS)

    Why would he care if the administration is a 5 alarm dumpster fire?

    He can just get on with the grifting
    The 5D chess version of this would be that, by throwing out all these terrible appointments, everyone is distracted from the routine grift that is the real object of the exercise.

    But the Occamite solution is that a) Trump is appointing these people because they are his kind of people and b) the famed checks and balances are largely made of wet spaghetti.
    It's a kind of win-win-win. He gets his kind of people into position, he gets distractions, he humiliates the Senate/if they reject his nominees he can blame the deep state and RINOs for everything that goes wrong.
    He might allow them one scalp, for form's sake. (If so, I predict Gaetz.)
    Depends whether or not they show a scintilla of spine.

    I'd bet almost all get confirmed.
    Senate Republicans just annoyed Trump by picking Thune as Senate leader, admittedly in a secret ballot.

    I think there are 4 Republican senators still in office who voted to convict Trump in 2020, plus a handful of others who might be expected to defy him from time to time.

    I wouldn't be surprised to see more than 1 nominee being rejected by the Senate.
    Isn't he going to appointment them all during the recess?
    He is going to try to appoint them all during the recess. It is unclear whether this will work or what will happen.
    I think the Senate can prevent this. It would certainly diminish the Senate's power if they allowed it
    The Senate will nod everything through, just like they did with his judicial appointments. The House Republicans these last two years have shown the way that moderates continually flake when faced with having to choose between unity and their principles. And that was without a ferocious Trump and his mob weighing in (or much less so).

    Romney might hold out. He's old, rich, has an unusually large personal vote in Utah, an unusually high willingness to vote with his conscience* and could retire in 2026 (by when he'll be 79) without loss of face. But there are few others with the scope and inclination for that kind of independence. And it'd need four.

    * Though he voted to confirm Gorsuch, so there are limits and they're only high in relative terms.
    Collins and Murkowski I could see voting down some of these appointees.
    Possible. But even if they and Romney do, that's still a confirmation off Vance's casting vote. However, I wouldn't stake too much on it.
    Mitt Romney didn't stand for re-election. He won't be a Senator when the current Congress expires in January.
    My mistake. I thought his term finished in two years.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,295
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    This sounds like an American version of Cummings.

    https://x.com/doge/status/1857076831104434289

    We are very grateful to the thousands of Americans who have expressed interest in helping us at DOGE. We don’t need more part-time idea generators. We need super high-IQ small-government revolutionaries willing to work 80+ hours per week on unglamorous cost-cutting. If that’s you, DM this account with your CV. Elon & Vivek will review the top 1% of applicants.

    This is going to be an absolute disaster.


    ‪Aaron Rupar‬ ‪@atrupar.bsky.social‬
    ·
    10m
    House Republicans are now saying that Trump will cut *more* than $2 trillion in federal spending (check out the look on Maria Bartiromo's face when Ralph Normal says this)

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.bsky.social/post/3layjpmmnic2q
    Surely, 'will redirect more than $2 trillion from the people who voted for him to his own pocket?'
    Is he though, Trump got just 6.5% in DC which is where most Federal government workers work and he only tied Harris with over 65s despite winning the popular vote nationally and while he won middle income earners, the lowest earners earning under $30 000 still voted for Harris over him overall.

    His tariffs might hit his middle income voters with price rises but his spending cuts won't so much as most are middle income and middle aged private sector workers
    Depends on what he cuts. I'm assuming Medicare and Medicaid are very much in the firing line.
    Again hits pensioners and the lowest earners more even those cuts, as I said his voters are mainly middle aged and middle income private sector workers
    Hmmmm.

    I think you are somewhat optimistic if you think those programmes being cut won't have unfortunate repercussions for the cost of healthcare.

    But, equally, I suppose it isn't technically a cut if they're charged more for health insurance,
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,479
    The third-largest Russian property developer has collapsed.

    It follows the collapse of the largest last week.

    The Russian economy is getting seriously fooked.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,295
    edited 2:58PM

    ydoethur said:

    Incoming US government official says the UK has become a police state.

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1857420350516056102

    Not if you're a shoplifter.
    Nigelb said:

    Fishing said:

    Can we award the US electorate the group Darwin Award 2024?

    In a year in which we elected Free Gear Keir, Rachel Thieves, Lammy, Rayner, etc., I think we're definitely in the glasshouse.
    We didn't; a minority of the electorate did.

    Say what you like about Trump, he fooled an actual majority of those who voted.
    Much easier to do when there's only 2 parties/candidates.

    No UK govt has done this since 1931 IIRC.
    Correct. In 1951 Labour got 48.8%,* in 1955 the Tories got 49.7% of the vote and in 1959 they got 49.4% of the vote, but nothing higher. 1931 is the only election since 1918 where one party got over 50%, although in both 1918 and 1935 incumbent governing coalitions managed it between several parties.

    *There's a crazy irony that Labour's highest voteshare came in an election they lost.
    No *party* has won more than 50% of the votes since 1931 but the *government* did so in 1935, as you have to add together the various parts of the National government alliance, who for obvious reasons had an electoral pact, which gave them 51.8%.

    Also, Trump will probably end up under 50%. He's on 50.1% at the moment and California is still getting through its painfully slow count.
    Trump is a painfully slow count.

    If we accept he has no 'u's, of course.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,691

    The third-largest Russian property developer has collapsed.

    It follows the collapse of the largest last week.

    The Russian economy is getting seriously fooked.

    Until we can cut off their oil and gas sales properly it is marginal at best.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,811
    edited 2:56PM
    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    MaxPB said:

    I'm going to put my religious hat on for a moment and say, yes - the government was right to apologise for serving meat at a Hindu religious event. Not because they served it, but because they would never make the same mistake at a Jewish or Muslim religious event. Hindus are very much seen as second class citizens by Labour and this is actually just further proof that they just don't care enough to do the research properly.

    We don't fit into their precious marginalised voter groups and we don't bitch and moan like victims so I guess we're easy to ignore.

    Sounds like a bit of a bitch/moan.
    Would one necessarily assume that a Hindu function should be vegetarian and teetotal? I know Hindus who are neither.
    If they'd spoken to one then they'd have been told to make it vegetarian for sure, alcohol definitely doesn't matter though.
    Given this event has been run for many years now, I just presumed there would be a word doc of do's / don'ts for civil servants to follow, and probably what caterers they have used in the past etc. Have previous gathering made a similar faux pas?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,295

    The third-largest Russian property developer has collapsed.

    It follows the collapse of the largest last week.

    The Russian economy is getting seriously fooked.

    There would be a delicious if grim irony should Russia have held out in Ukraine long enough to get their patsy back in Penn Avenue only for their economy to be in such a ruinous state they can't continue the war anyway.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,691

    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    MaxPB said:

    I'm going to put my religious hat on for a moment and say, yes - the government was right to apologise for serving meat at a Hindu religious event. Not because they served it, but because they would never make the same mistake at a Jewish or Muslim religious event. Hindus are very much seen as second class citizens by Labour and this is actually just further proof that they just don't care enough to do the research properly.

    We don't fit into their precious marginalised voter groups and we don't bitch and moan like victims so I guess we're easy to ignore.

    Sounds like a bit of a bitch/moan.
    Would one necessarily assume that a Hindu function should be vegetarian and teetotal? I know Hindus who are neither.
    If they'd spoken to one then they'd have been told to make it vegetarian for sure, alcohol definitely doesn't matter though.
    Given this event has been run for many years now, I just presumed there would be a word doc of do's / don'ts for civil servants to follow, and probably what caterers they have used in the past etc. Have previous gathering made a similar faux pas?
    It speaks to what I said, Labour just don't care enough to check. That would never be the case for a Muslim celebration.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,295

    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    MaxPB said:

    I'm going to put my religious hat on for a moment and say, yes - the government was right to apologise for serving meat at a Hindu religious event. Not because they served it, but because they would never make the same mistake at a Jewish or Muslim religious event. Hindus are very much seen as second class citizens by Labour and this is actually just further proof that they just don't care enough to do the research properly.

    We don't fit into their precious marginalised voter groups and we don't bitch and moan like victims so I guess we're easy to ignore.

    Sounds like a bit of a bitch/moan.
    Would one necessarily assume that a Hindu function should be vegetarian and teetotal? I know Hindus who are neither.
    If they'd spoken to one then they'd have been told to make it vegetarian for sure, alcohol definitely doesn't matter though.
    Given this event has been run for many years now, I just presumed there would be a word doc of do's / don'ts for civil servants to follow, and probably what caterers they have used in the past etc. Have previous gathering made a similar faux pas?
    Perhaps previous gatherings didn't invite Hindus?

    Except Sunak, of course.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 22,990
    Nigelb said:

    New Zealand's parliament was brought to a temporary halt by opposition party MP Hana-Rawhiti Maipi-Clarke performing a haka, amid anger over a controversial bill seeking to reinterpret country's founding treaty with Māori People.
    https://x.com/Rainmaker1973/status/1857339076489134408

    I'm trying to imagine Hoyle's reaction to something like this.
    Here's the NZ Speaker:
    https://x.com/StrayDogNZ/status/1856899136978923657

    The NI Speaker was quite no nonsense - immediate suspension of the session by standing up.

    I think Hoyle would try to negotiate at first.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,310
    ...

    Incoming US government official says the UK has become a police state.

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1857420350516056102

    Since July 4th? The Farage Riots?

    Although I suspect if we had a failed coup attempt in the UK in 2021, even with the Crown Court backlog, the ring leader if found guilty would be spending time at His Majesty's pleasure by now.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,691
    ydoethur said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    MaxPB said:

    I'm going to put my religious hat on for a moment and say, yes - the government was right to apologise for serving meat at a Hindu religious event. Not because they served it, but because they would never make the same mistake at a Jewish or Muslim religious event. Hindus are very much seen as second class citizens by Labour and this is actually just further proof that they just don't care enough to do the research properly.

    We don't fit into their precious marginalised voter groups and we don't bitch and moan like victims so I guess we're easy to ignore.

    Sounds like a bit of a bitch/moan.
    Would one necessarily assume that a Hindu function should be vegetarian and teetotal? I know Hindus who are neither.
    If they'd spoken to one then they'd have been told to make it vegetarian for sure, alcohol definitely doesn't matter though.
    Given this event has been run for many years now, I just presumed there would be a word doc of do's / don'ts for civil servants to follow, and probably what caterers they have used in the past etc. Have previous gathering made a similar faux pas?
    Perhaps previous gatherings didn't invite Hindus?

    Except Sunak, of course.
    They definitely did, a family friend went to last year's event.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,479
    MaxPB said:

    The third-largest Russian property developer has collapsed.

    It follows the collapse of the largest last week.

    The Russian economy is getting seriously fooked.

    Until we can cut off their oil and gas sales properly it is marginal at best.
    Their oil and gas sector is collapsing too. A lot of wells are being shut in - as happened at the collapse of the Soviet Union. Some of those fields took years if not decades to reinstate.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,295
    MaxPB said:

    ydoethur said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    MaxPB said:

    I'm going to put my religious hat on for a moment and say, yes - the government was right to apologise for serving meat at a Hindu religious event. Not because they served it, but because they would never make the same mistake at a Jewish or Muslim religious event. Hindus are very much seen as second class citizens by Labour and this is actually just further proof that they just don't care enough to do the research properly.

    We don't fit into their precious marginalised voter groups and we don't bitch and moan like victims so I guess we're easy to ignore.

    Sounds like a bit of a bitch/moan.
    Would one necessarily assume that a Hindu function should be vegetarian and teetotal? I know Hindus who are neither.
    If they'd spoken to one then they'd have been told to make it vegetarian for sure, alcohol definitely doesn't matter though.
    Given this event has been run for many years now, I just presumed there would be a word doc of do's / don'ts for civil servants to follow, and probably what caterers they have used in the past etc. Have previous gathering made a similar faux pas?
    Perhaps previous gatherings didn't invite Hindus?

    Except Sunak, of course.
    They definitely did, a family friend went to last year's event.
    I might not have been intended to be taking altogether seriously in that post...

    I think probably it was a new chef who didn't think to check. Rather a stupid mistake though.

    Heck, BBC Bitesize could have given the organisers all the information needed.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,489
    edited 3:01PM
    Sean_F said:

    MaxPB said:

    I'm going to put my religious hat on for a moment and say, yes - the government was right to apologise for serving meat at a Hindu religious event. Not because they served it, but because they would never make the same mistake at a Jewish or Muslim religious event. Hindus are very much seen as second class citizens by Labour and this is actually just further proof that they just don't care enough to do the research properly.

    We don't fit into their precious marginalised voter groups and we don't bitch and moan like victims so I guess we're easy to ignore.

    Sounds like a bit of a bitch/moan.
    Would one necessarily assume that a Hindu function should be vegetarian and teetotal? I know Hindus who are neither.
    I’ve been to an Eid work event where they were offering champagne because the guy hosting had Muslim friends who drank champagne.

    Awks.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,295

    Sean_F said:

    MaxPB said:

    I'm going to put my religious hat on for a moment and say, yes - the government was right to apologise for serving meat at a Hindu religious event. Not because they served it, but because they would never make the same mistake at a Jewish or Muslim religious event. Hindus are very much seen as second class citizens by Labour and this is actually just further proof that they just don't care enough to do the research properly.

    We don't fit into their precious marginalised voter groups and we don't bitch and moan like victims so I guess we're easy to ignore.

    Sounds like a bit of a bitch/moan.
    Would one necessarily assume that a Hindu function should be vegetarian and teetotal? I know Hindus who are neither.
    I’ve been to an Eid work event where they were offering champagne because the guy hosting had Muslim friends who drank champagne.

    Awks.
    Was the tension bubbling away?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,033
    Yesterday I learned that many of the bridges in central London are owned by a weird charity that dates back to the 12th century. (Them being the organization that sold London Bridge in the 1960s.)
  • AlsoLeiAlsoLei Posts: 1,443
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    MaxPB said:

    I'm going to put my religious hat on for a moment and say, yes - the government was right to apologise for serving meat at a Hindu religious event. Not because they served it, but because they would never make the same mistake at a Jewish or Muslim religious event. Hindus are very much seen as second class citizens by Labour and this is actually just further proof that they just don't care enough to do the research properly.

    We don't fit into their precious marginalised voter groups and we don't bitch and moan like victims so I guess we're easy to ignore.

    Sounds like a bit of a bitch/moan.
    Would one necessarily assume that a Hindu function should be vegetarian and teetotal? I know Hindus who are neither.
    If they'd spoken to one then they'd have been told to make it vegetarian for sure, alcohol definitely doesn't matter though.
    Given this event has been run for many years now, I just presumed there would be a word doc of do's / don'ts for civil servants to follow, and probably what caterers they have used in the past etc. Have previous gathering made a similar faux pas?
    It speaks to what I said, Labour just don't care enough to check. That would never be the case for a Muslim celebration.
    Since this happened in 10 Downing St, this will have been a government event rather than a party one. So why were Labour involved in the catering in the first place?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,479
    ydoethur said:

    The third-largest Russian property developer has collapsed.

    It follows the collapse of the largest last week.

    The Russian economy is getting seriously fooked.

    There would be a delicious if grim irony should Russia have held out in Ukraine long enough to get their patsy back in Penn Avenue only for their economy to be in such a ruinous state they can't continue the war anyway.
    Hard to see how Trump can help the Russian economy grow out of serious depression. Even if the war ends, the Russian economy is only surviving because it is on a war footing. When the war stops, the pain then really starts.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,811

    Sean_F said:

    MaxPB said:

    I'm going to put my religious hat on for a moment and say, yes - the government was right to apologise for serving meat at a Hindu religious event. Not because they served it, but because they would never make the same mistake at a Jewish or Muslim religious event. Hindus are very much seen as second class citizens by Labour and this is actually just further proof that they just don't care enough to do the research properly.

    We don't fit into their precious marginalised voter groups and we don't bitch and moan like victims so I guess we're easy to ignore.

    Sounds like a bit of a bitch/moan.
    Would one necessarily assume that a Hindu function should be vegetarian and teetotal? I know Hindus who are neither.
    I’ve been to an Eid work event where they were offering champagne because the guy hosting had Muslim friends who drank champagne.

    Awks.
    At least it wasn't Blue Nun....
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,905
    edited 3:05PM

    On the Elon in Government thing

    One to watch is this. Amazon are trying to launch Kuiper - a rival to the Starlink network.

    Kuiper is a smaller number of satellites in higher orbits. But it still requires 3.236 satellites for phase one.

    Under its FCC license, Amazon is required to launch and operate 50% of its satellites no later than July 30, 2026, and must launch and operate the remaining satellites no later than July 30, 2029.

    Currently they have a grand total of two (2) satellites operating for testing.

    The original plan was to launch the constellation using New Glenn, from Blue Origin, the company owned by Jeff Bezos.

    This has been delayed - the first launch will occur sometime in the near future. The vehicle is being prepared for flight now.

    To deal with this delay, Amazon purchased launches from everyone they could. ULA, Ariane and even SpaceX. However many of the rockets they bet on have been delayed. And the satellites themselves are not yet coming off the lines.

    So, it is close to certain that by 30th July 2026, they won’t have launched half their constellation.

    At which point the FCC can either grant a waiver. Or cancel their frequency allocation, putting them out of business.

    Which will it be?

    I guess that depends on what quid pro quo is offered to Trump.
    No doubt one of his smarter grifters will explain it to him.

    Unless Elon's bid is higher.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,489
    ydoethur said:

    Sean_F said:

    MaxPB said:

    I'm going to put my religious hat on for a moment and say, yes - the government was right to apologise for serving meat at a Hindu religious event. Not because they served it, but because they would never make the same mistake at a Jewish or Muslim religious event. Hindus are very much seen as second class citizens by Labour and this is actually just further proof that they just don't care enough to do the research properly.

    We don't fit into their precious marginalised voter groups and we don't bitch and moan like victims so I guess we're easy to ignore.

    Sounds like a bit of a bitch/moan.
    Would one necessarily assume that a Hindu function should be vegetarian and teetotal? I know Hindus who are neither.
    I’ve been to an Eid work event where they were offering champagne because the guy hosting had Muslim friends who drank champagne.

    Awks.
    Was the tension bubbling away?
    It was indeed.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,753
    ydoethur said:

    MaxPB said:

    I'm going to put my religious hat on for a moment and say, yes - the government was right to apologise for serving meat at a Hindu religious event. Not because they served it, but because they would never make the same mistake at a Jewish or Muslim religious event. Hindus are very much seen as second class citizens by Labour and this is actually just further proof that they just don't care enough to do the research properly.

    We don't fit into their precious marginalised voter groups and we don't bitch and moan like victims so I guess we're easy to ignore.

    Since when is vegetarianism compulsory in Hinduism? The prohibition is on beef, surely.
    Do you have a beef with vegetarianism?
    I've been a vegetarian since 1991, when I turned 16.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,295

    ydoethur said:

    Sean_F said:

    MaxPB said:

    I'm going to put my religious hat on for a moment and say, yes - the government was right to apologise for serving meat at a Hindu religious event. Not because they served it, but because they would never make the same mistake at a Jewish or Muslim religious event. Hindus are very much seen as second class citizens by Labour and this is actually just further proof that they just don't care enough to do the research properly.

    We don't fit into their precious marginalised voter groups and we don't bitch and moan like victims so I guess we're easy to ignore.

    Sounds like a bit of a bitch/moan.
    Would one necessarily assume that a Hindu function should be vegetarian and teetotal? I know Hindus who are neither.
    I’ve been to an Eid work event where they were offering champagne because the guy hosting had Muslim friends who drank champagne.

    Awks.
    Was the tension bubbling away?
    It was indeed.
    As mistakes go, sounds like a magnum opus.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,295
    Do puns in Latin get extra brownie points?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,295

    ydoethur said:

    MaxPB said:

    I'm going to put my religious hat on for a moment and say, yes - the government was right to apologise for serving meat at a Hindu religious event. Not because they served it, but because they would never make the same mistake at a Jewish or Muslim religious event. Hindus are very much seen as second class citizens by Labour and this is actually just further proof that they just don't care enough to do the research properly.

    We don't fit into their precious marginalised voter groups and we don't bitch and moan like victims so I guess we're easy to ignore.

    Since when is vegetarianism compulsory in Hinduism? The prohibition is on beef, surely.
    Do you have a beef with vegetarianism?
    I've been a vegetarian since 1991, when I turned 16.
    Is that a yes?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,753
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    I'm going to put my religious hat on for a moment and say, yes - the government was right to apologise for serving meat at a Hindu religious event. Not because they served it, but because they would never make the same mistake at a Jewish or Muslim religious event. Hindus are very much seen as second class citizens by Labour and this is actually just further proof that they just don't care enough to do the research properly.

    We don't fit into their precious marginalised voter groups and we don't bitch and moan like victims so I guess we're easy to ignore.

    Since when is vegetarianism compulsory in Hinduism? The prohibition is on beef, surely.
    Ahimsa is foundational to all Hindu teaching. Even Rajputs and other meat eating castes respect it for Diwali.
    Ah, shame "ahimsa" didn't apply to the Muslims who died in Gujarat in 2002...
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,479
    ydoethur said:

    The third-largest Russian property developer has collapsed.

    It follows the collapse of the largest last week.

    The Russian economy is getting seriously fooked.

    There would be a delicious if grim irony should Russia have held out in Ukraine long enough to get their patsy back in Penn Avenue only for their economy to be in such a ruinous state they can't continue the war anyway.
    They have run out of artillery to the degree that trains full of North Korean artillery are now travelling west through Russia.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flhPhkdpTIw
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,905
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Incoming US government official says the UK has become a police state.

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1857420350516056102

    Not if you're a shoplifter.
    Nigelb said:

    Fishing said:

    Can we award the US electorate the group Darwin Award 2024?

    In a year in which we elected Free Gear Keir, Rachel Thieves, Lammy, Rayner, etc., I think we're definitely in the glasshouse.
    We didn't; a minority of the electorate did.

    Say what you like about Trump, he fooled an actual majority of those who voted.
    Much easier to do when there's only 2 parties/candidates.

    No UK govt has done this since 1931 IIRC.
    Correct. In 1951 Labour got 48.8%,* in 1955 the Tories got 49.7% of the vote and in 1959 they got 49.4% of the vote, but nothing higher. 1931 is the only election since 1918 where one party got over 50%, although in both 1918 and 1935 incumbent governing coalitions managed it between several parties.

    *There's a crazy irony that Labour's highest voteshare came in an election they lost.
    No *party* has won more than 50% of the votes since 1931 but the *government* did so in 1935, as you have to add together the various parts of the National government alliance, who for obvious reasons had an electoral pact, which gave them 51.8%.

    Also, Trump will probably end up under 50%. He's on 50.1% at the moment and California is still getting through its painfully slow count.
    Trump is a painfully slow count.
    O no he isn't.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,316
    AlsoLei said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    MaxPB said:

    I'm going to put my religious hat on for a moment and say, yes - the government was right to apologise for serving meat at a Hindu religious event. Not because they served it, but because they would never make the same mistake at a Jewish or Muslim religious event. Hindus are very much seen as second class citizens by Labour and this is actually just further proof that they just don't care enough to do the research properly.

    We don't fit into their precious marginalised voter groups and we don't bitch and moan like victims so I guess we're easy to ignore.

    Sounds like a bit of a bitch/moan.
    Would one necessarily assume that a Hindu function should be vegetarian and teetotal? I know Hindus who are neither.
    If they'd spoken to one then they'd have been told to make it vegetarian for sure, alcohol definitely doesn't matter though.
    Given this event has been run for many years now, I just presumed there would be a word doc of do's / don'ts for civil servants to follow, and probably what caterers they have used in the past etc. Have previous gathering made a similar faux pas?
    It speaks to what I said, Labour just don't care enough to check. That would never be the case for a Muslim celebration.
    Since this happened in 10 Downing St, this will have been a government event rather than a party one. So why were Labour involved in the catering in the first place?
    Partygate was then not down to the Conservatives? Is that your logic?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,753
    Sean_F said:

    MaxPB said:

    I'm going to put my religious hat on for a moment and say, yes - the government was right to apologise for serving meat at a Hindu religious event. Not because they served it, but because they would never make the same mistake at a Jewish or Muslim religious event. Hindus are very much seen as second class citizens by Labour and this is actually just further proof that they just don't care enough to do the research properly.

    We don't fit into their precious marginalised voter groups and we don't bitch and moan like victims so I guess we're easy to ignore.

    Sounds like a bit of a bitch/moan.
    Would one necessarily assume that a Hindu function should be vegetarian and teetotal? I know Hindus who are neither.
    Mum made meat (chicken to be precise) for Diwali. Mum, my brother, and sister-in-law eat meat.

    I, of course, had the veggie option instead, and the obligatory "why can't you meat like the rest of us?" rant :lol:
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,905
    Trump transition team had a meeting today to discuss sexual assault allegations against Sec of Defense nominee @PeteHegseth (he denies it)
    https://x.com/gabrielsherman/status/1857225293569609804

    But surely Fox News would never have employed anyone who would commit sexual assault ?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,753
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    MaxPB said:

    I'm going to put my religious hat on for a moment and say, yes - the government was right to apologise for serving meat at a Hindu religious event. Not because they served it, but because they would never make the same mistake at a Jewish or Muslim religious event. Hindus are very much seen as second class citizens by Labour and this is actually just further proof that they just don't care enough to do the research properly.

    We don't fit into their precious marginalised voter groups and we don't bitch and moan like victims so I guess we're easy to ignore.

    Since when is vegetarianism compulsory in Hinduism? The prohibition is on beef, surely.
    Do you have a beef with vegetarianism?
    I've been a vegetarian since 1991, when I turned 16.
    Is that a yes?
    Vegan "no beef" beef for me, please :lol:
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,033

    ydoethur said:

    MaxPB said:

    I'm going to put my religious hat on for a moment and say, yes - the government was right to apologise for serving meat at a Hindu religious event. Not because they served it, but because they would never make the same mistake at a Jewish or Muslim religious event. Hindus are very much seen as second class citizens by Labour and this is actually just further proof that they just don't care enough to do the research properly.

    We don't fit into their precious marginalised voter groups and we don't bitch and moan like victims so I guess we're easy to ignore.

    Since when is vegetarianism compulsory in Hinduism? The prohibition is on beef, surely.
    Do you have a beef with vegetarianism?
    I've been a vegetarian since 1991, when I turned 16.
    I'm so sorry
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,310
    ...

    ydoethur said:

    The third-largest Russian property developer has collapsed.

    It follows the collapse of the largest last week.

    The Russian economy is getting seriously fooked.

    There would be a delicious if grim irony should Russia have held out in Ukraine long enough to get their patsy back in Penn Avenue only for their economy to be in such a ruinous state they can't continue the war anyway.
    Hard to see how Trump can help the Russian economy grow out of serious depression. Even if the war ends, the Russian economy is only surviving because it is on a war footing. When the war stops, the pain then really starts.
    One war closes and another war opens?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,990
    Nigelb said:

    Tulsi Gabbard tweeted that Japan was America’s enemy because of Pearl Harbor—within hours of Japan giving Ukraine a loan.
    https://x.com/hissgoescobra/status/1856801708627710186

    Some top analysis from the prospective National Security Advisor.

    It is going to be four years of stupidity after utter stupidity, accompanied by somebody constantly tweeting "Suck it Libtard Tears" or some such. :(
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,376

    Incoming US government official says the UK has become a police state.

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1857420350516056102

    Coming from the people who want to round up "illegals" and put them in camps.
    The mass incarceration of these protestors will be come to be regarded as an error. If you go through the actual 'evidence', which the police and CPS post on social media, most of the imprisoned were just in the wrong place, at the wrong time, and did something a bit stupid; punished under 'public order' laws which are subject to wide interpretation and discretionary enforcement. It was an attempt by the authorities at asserting a muscular progressive authoritarianism; but now it turns out they are on the wrong side of history.

    The other issue here is that we like to make these claims that we are 'better' than authoritarian regimes like Russia; but there is some uncertainty about that.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,753
    ydoethur said:

    Do puns in Latin get extra brownie points?

    Ecce homo qui est faba!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,489

    Sean_F said:

    MaxPB said:

    I'm going to put my religious hat on for a moment and say, yes - the government was right to apologise for serving meat at a Hindu religious event. Not because they served it, but because they would never make the same mistake at a Jewish or Muslim religious event. Hindus are very much seen as second class citizens by Labour and this is actually just further proof that they just don't care enough to do the research properly.

    We don't fit into their precious marginalised voter groups and we don't bitch and moan like victims so I guess we're easy to ignore.

    Sounds like a bit of a bitch/moan.
    Would one necessarily assume that a Hindu function should be vegetarian and teetotal? I know Hindus who are neither.
    I’ve been to an Eid work event where they were offering champagne because the guy hosting had Muslim friends who drank champagne.

    Awks.
    At least it wasn't Blue Nun....
    Iff I ever stopped being a good Muslim and decided to drink alcohol my first drink would either be absinthe or a Pappy Va Winkle.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,014
    Nigelb said:

    On the Elon in Government thing

    One to watch is this. Amazon are trying to launch Kuiper - a rival to the Starlink network.

    Kuiper is a smaller number of satellites in higher orbits. But it still requires 3.236 satellites for phase one.

    Under its FCC license, Amazon is required to launch and operate 50% of its satellites no later than July 30, 2026, and must launch and operate the remaining satellites no later than July 30, 2029.

    Currently they have a grand total of two (2) satellites operating for testing.

    The original plan was to launch the constellation using New Glenn, from Blue Origin, the company owned by Jeff Bezos.

    This has been delayed - the first launch will occur sometime in the near future. The vehicle is being prepared for flight now.

    To deal with this delay, Amazon purchased launches from everyone they could. ULA, Ariane and even SpaceX. However many of the rockets they bet on have been delayed. And the satellites themselves are not yet coming off the lines.

    So, it is close to certain that by 30th July 2026, they won’t have launched half their constellation.

    At which point the FCC can either grant a waiver. Or cancel their frequency allocation, putting them out of business.

    Which will it be?

    I guess that depends on what quid pro quo is offered to Trump.
    No doubt one of his smarter grifters will explain it to him.

    Unless Elon's bid is higher.
    Bid for what? Starlink can’t use the frequencies.

    Hilariously, the only launch vehicle with the flight rate to have even a chance of launching all the sats on time is… Falcon 9

    Amazon executives have already booked a couple of F9 launches for Kuiper.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,295

    ydoethur said:

    Do puns in Latin get extra brownie points?

    Ecce homo qui est faba!
    Have you bean at the sauce?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,271
    edited 3:13PM

    ydoethur said:

    The third-largest Russian property developer has collapsed.

    It follows the collapse of the largest last week.

    The Russian economy is getting seriously fooked.

    There would be a delicious if grim irony should Russia have held out in Ukraine long enough to get their patsy back in Penn Avenue only for their economy to be in such a ruinous state they can't continue the war anyway.
    They have run out of artillery to the degree that trains full of North Korean artillery are now travelling west through Russia.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flhPhkdpTIw
    That is going to be little comfort to the Ukrainian infantry hearing the artillery shells come in from the North Korean artillery because the Ukrainians aren't receiving enough artillery shells, or other weapons to take out these weapons before they reach the front lines.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,905

    Nigelb said:

    On the Elon in Government thing

    One to watch is this. Amazon are trying to launch Kuiper - a rival to the Starlink network.

    Kuiper is a smaller number of satellites in higher orbits. But it still requires 3.236 satellites for phase one.

    Under its FCC license, Amazon is required to launch and operate 50% of its satellites no later than July 30, 2026, and must launch and operate the remaining satellites no later than July 30, 2029.

    Currently they have a grand total of two (2) satellites operating for testing.

    The original plan was to launch the constellation using New Glenn, from Blue Origin, the company owned by Jeff Bezos.

    This has been delayed - the first launch will occur sometime in the near future. The vehicle is being prepared for flight now.

    To deal with this delay, Amazon purchased launches from everyone they could. ULA, Ariane and even SpaceX. However many of the rockets they bet on have been delayed. And the satellites themselves are not yet coming off the lines.

    So, it is close to certain that by 30th July 2026, they won’t have launched half their constellation.

    At which point the FCC can either grant a waiver. Or cancel their frequency allocation, putting them out of business.

    Which will it be?

    I guess that depends on what quid pro quo is offered to Trump.
    No doubt one of his smarter grifters will explain it to him.

    Unless Elon's bid is higher.
    Bid for what? Starlink can’t use the frequencies.

    Hilariously, the only launch vehicle with the flight rate to have even a chance of launching all the sats on time is… Falcon 9

    Amazon executives have already booked a couple of F9 launches for Kuiper.
    They could certainly use the monopoly, though.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 10,953
    Nigelb said:

    Trump transition team had a meeting today to discuss sexual assault allegations against Sec of Defense nominee @PeteHegseth (he denies it)
    https://x.com/gabrielsherman/status/1857225293569609804

    But surely Fox News would never have employed anyone who would commit sexual assault ?

    Looking to find some more detail on this, I found this...

    Resurfaced footage from a Fox News broadcast in 2019 shows Hegseth revealing he hadn’t washed his hands in a decade because "germs are not a real thing.”

    He'll get on well with RFK jnr.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,295

    Sean_F said:

    MaxPB said:

    I'm going to put my religious hat on for a moment and say, yes - the government was right to apologise for serving meat at a Hindu religious event. Not because they served it, but because they would never make the same mistake at a Jewish or Muslim religious event. Hindus are very much seen as second class citizens by Labour and this is actually just further proof that they just don't care enough to do the research properly.

    We don't fit into their precious marginalised voter groups and we don't bitch and moan like victims so I guess we're easy to ignore.

    Sounds like a bit of a bitch/moan.
    Would one necessarily assume that a Hindu function should be vegetarian and teetotal? I know Hindus who are neither.
    I’ve been to an Eid work event where they were offering champagne because the guy hosting had Muslim friends who drank champagne.

    Awks.
    At least it wasn't Blue Nun....
    Iff I ever stopped being a good Muslim and decided to drink alcohol my first drink would either be absinthe or a Pappy Va Winkle.
    If your first alcoholic drink was absinthe, seems a non-trivial chance it would be your last drink also.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,479
    viewcode said:

    Nigelb said:

    Tulsi Gabbard tweeted that Japan was America’s enemy because of Pearl Harbor—within hours of Japan giving Ukraine a loan.
    https://x.com/hissgoescobra/status/1856801708627710186

    Some top analysis from the prospective National Security Advisor.

    It is going to be four years of stupidity after utter stupidity, accompanied by somebody constantly tweeting "Suck it Libtard Tears" or some such. :(
    Honestly, you have to wonder how many of these appointments will still be in post in a year's time. Significantly less than half is my guess. They will "fail" Trump - and be toast.

    It's not like he doesn't have form...
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 10,953
    darkage said:

    Incoming US government official says the UK has become a police state.

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1857420350516056102

    Coming from the people who want to round up "illegals" and put them in camps.
    The mass incarceration of these protestors will be come to be regarded as an error. If you go through the actual 'evidence', which the police and CPS post on social media, most of the imprisoned were just in the wrong place, at the wrong time, and did something a bit stupid; punished under 'public order' laws which are subject to wide interpretation and discretionary enforcement. It was an attempt by the authorities at asserting a muscular progressive authoritarianism; but now it turns out they are on the wrong side of history.

    The other issue here is that we like to make these claims that we are 'better' than authoritarian regimes like Russia; but there is some uncertainty about that.
    Is burning asylum seekers alive in hotels the right side of history then?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,956

    Oh God, PB’s going to get spammed senseless again about Starmer having booze again isn’t it?

    BigG. has finally found his "gotcha"!
    Will you stop picking on Big G. He is entitled to post what he likes, just as you are 😠

    I’ve got a genuine question for you Big G, as you seem to be slipping back into the Conservative fold.
    The next General Election is definitely being held on May 3rd 2029 - which seems a whole universe away.
    According to every forecast for world and UK growth, there will be no significant growth anywhere for at least 6 or 7 years. And according to head of Bank of England yesterday, UK will be additionally poorer thanks to Brexit.
    So nothing for Labour to work with to say voters are better off in five years, compared to July 2024, so a huge gift to the Tories, a great background for Badenoch and Stride to be campaigning in, in 2029 looks very likely - very similar to what helped Trump to power this year, the Conservatives will ask, are you better off than 5 years ago? And the voters answer will be: no!

    However, the question is this, does your vote in such a situation depend on what the Conservative economic policies actually are? if the Conservative position is it’s nowt but Labour that has made voters poorer in the five years since 2024, because Labour has not embraced the wonderful freedoms of Brexit - the Conservative Manifesto in 2029 is to fully embrace those opportunities of Brexit, go full Singapore on Thames to make Britons rich again, would you vote Conservative? Would you vote for that economic policy agenda?
    Thank you for your support and would concur the pile on from the usual suspects is nothing more than an attempt to close down anything that may be critical of Starmer and is consistent with the left attitude

    I think it is becoming apparent every day that Labour were elected on a false manifesto and promises, and they have reverted to type being pro public sector and unions at the expense of the private sector that actually provides the tax receipts for this largesse

    I will vote conservative at the next GE to return to pro business, small state politics but 5 years us a long time away for me and as has been seen before I have voted for a Blair government but that is not what Starmer and Reeves represent

    What if the Conservative economic position put Labours economic failure and lack of growth down to not taking Brexit freedoms and opportunities, the Conservative economic plan and manifesto is around making Brexit work, full fat Singapore on Thames - you can still see yourself giving your vote to that sort of economic policy plan?

    Such a scenario as this is very very likely where we are going to be, Spring 2029 - Labour government failed economically, no one feels better off. But Conservatives will still have to explain why - what Labour done wrong, what they will now do differently.

    And if that plan is to make us all richer by properly exploiting opportunities from Brexit at last, you could vote for that?
    Yes
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,905
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Do puns in Latin get extra brownie points?

    Ecce homo qui est faba!
    Have you bean at the sauce?
    And so the late, great Hannibal Lecter re-enters the chat.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 22,990
    ydoethur said:

    Do puns in Latin get extra brownie points?

    If they involve triple chocolate.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,494

    Nigelb said:

    Trump transition team had a meeting today to discuss sexual assault allegations against Sec of Defense nominee @PeteHegseth (he denies it)
    https://x.com/gabrielsherman/status/1857225293569609804

    But surely Fox News would never have employed anyone who would commit sexual assault ?

    Looking to find some more detail on this, I found this...

    Resurfaced footage from a Fox News broadcast in 2019 shows Hegseth revealing he hadn’t washed his hands in a decade because "germs are not a real thing.”

    He'll get on well with RFK jnr.
    'Joking' would have been a more accurate word to use than 'revealing'.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,771
    See Musk (@leon's hero for being so intelligent) has completely missed the point of Starship Trooper. One wonders if Trump's guys actually think this is a role model to follow and not realise it is a satire. Completely credible that they do.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,014
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    On the Elon in Government thing

    One to watch is this. Amazon are trying to launch Kuiper - a rival to the Starlink network.

    Kuiper is a smaller number of satellites in higher orbits. But it still requires 3.236 satellites for phase one.

    Under its FCC license, Amazon is required to launch and operate 50% of its satellites no later than July 30, 2026, and must launch and operate the remaining satellites no later than July 30, 2029.

    Currently they have a grand total of two (2) satellites operating for testing.

    The original plan was to launch the constellation using New Glenn, from Blue Origin, the company owned by Jeff Bezos.

    This has been delayed - the first launch will occur sometime in the near future. The vehicle is being prepared for flight now.

    To deal with this delay, Amazon purchased launches from everyone they could. ULA, Ariane and even SpaceX. However many of the rockets they bet on have been delayed. And the satellites themselves are not yet coming off the lines.

    So, it is close to certain that by 30th July 2026, they won’t have launched half their constellation.

    At which point the FCC can either grant a waiver. Or cancel their frequency allocation, putting them out of business.

    Which will it be?

    I guess that depends on what quid pro quo is offered to Trump.
    No doubt one of his smarter grifters will explain it to him.

    Unless Elon's bid is higher.
    Bid for what? Starlink can’t use the frequencies.

    Hilariously, the only launch vehicle with the flight rate to have even a chance of launching all the sats on time is… Falcon 9

    Amazon executives have already booked a couple of F9 launches for Kuiper.
    They could certainly use the monopoly, though.
    On the other hand, SpaceX saved OneWeb, and have launched satellites for everyone else in the satellite date space.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,489
    ydoethur said:

    Sean_F said:

    MaxPB said:

    I'm going to put my religious hat on for a moment and say, yes - the government was right to apologise for serving meat at a Hindu religious event. Not because they served it, but because they would never make the same mistake at a Jewish or Muslim religious event. Hindus are very much seen as second class citizens by Labour and this is actually just further proof that they just don't care enough to do the research properly.

    We don't fit into their precious marginalised voter groups and we don't bitch and moan like victims so I guess we're easy to ignore.

    Sounds like a bit of a bitch/moan.
    Would one necessarily assume that a Hindu function should be vegetarian and teetotal? I know Hindus who are neither.
    I’ve been to an Eid work event where they were offering champagne because the guy hosting had Muslim friends who drank champagne.

    Awks.
    At least it wasn't Blue Nun....
    Iff I ever stopped being a good Muslim and decided to drink alcohol my first drink would either be absinthe or a Pappy Va Winkle.
    If your first alcoholic drink was absinthe, seems a non-trivial chance it would be your last drink also.
    I am a Yorkshireman, we can handle anything, I could drink a litre of absinthe and still go to work straight after.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,751
    darkage said:

    Incoming US government official says the UK has become a police state.

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1857420350516056102

    Coming from the people who want to round up "illegals" and put them in camps.
    The mass incarceration of these protestors will be come to be regarded as an error. If you go through the actual 'evidence', which the police and CPS post on social media, most of the imprisoned were just in the wrong place, at the wrong time, and did something a bit stupid; punished under 'public order' laws which are subject to wide interpretation and discretionary enforcement. It was an attempt by the authorities at asserting a muscular progressive authoritarianism; but now it turns out they are on the wrong side of history.

    The other issue here is that we like to make these claims that we are 'better' than authoritarian regimes like Russia; but there is some uncertainty about that.
    There is absolutely no uncertainty about that in my mind!
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,225

    AlsoLei said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    MaxPB said:

    I'm going to put my religious hat on for a moment and say, yes - the government was right to apologise for serving meat at a Hindu religious event. Not because they served it, but because they would never make the same mistake at a Jewish or Muslim religious event. Hindus are very much seen as second class citizens by Labour and this is actually just further proof that they just don't care enough to do the research properly.

    We don't fit into their precious marginalised voter groups and we don't bitch and moan like victims so I guess we're easy to ignore.

    Sounds like a bit of a bitch/moan.
    Would one necessarily assume that a Hindu function should be vegetarian and teetotal? I know Hindus who are neither.
    If they'd spoken to one then they'd have been told to make it vegetarian for sure, alcohol definitely doesn't matter though.
    Given this event has been run for many years now, I just presumed there would be a word doc of do's / don'ts for civil servants to follow, and probably what caterers they have used in the past etc. Have previous gathering made a similar faux pas?
    It speaks to what I said, Labour just don't care enough to check. That would never be the case for a Muslim celebration.
    Since this happened in 10 Downing St, this will have been a government event rather than a party one. So why were Labour involved in the catering in the first place?
    Partygate was then not down to the Conservatives? Is that your logic?
    I must confess that, in the unlikely event of organising a Diwali party, my first instinct would be a shed-load of chicken tikka and a case of Cobra. Starmer deserves a free pass on this occasion. He's just a man of the (indigenous) people.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,295
    kjh said:

    See Musk (@leon's hero for being so intelligent) has completely missed the point of Starship Trooper. One wonders if Trump's guys actually think

    I stopped wondering that on about Jan 6th 2020.
  • AlsoLeiAlsoLei Posts: 1,443

    AlsoLei said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    MaxPB said:

    I'm going to put my religious hat on for a moment and say, yes - the government was right to apologise for serving meat at a Hindu religious event. Not because they served it, but because they would never make the same mistake at a Jewish or Muslim religious event. Hindus are very much seen as second class citizens by Labour and this is actually just further proof that they just don't care enough to do the research properly.

    We don't fit into their precious marginalised voter groups and we don't bitch and moan like victims so I guess we're easy to ignore.

    Sounds like a bit of a bitch/moan.
    Would one necessarily assume that a Hindu function should be vegetarian and teetotal? I know Hindus who are neither.
    If they'd spoken to one then they'd have been told to make it vegetarian for sure, alcohol definitely doesn't matter though.
    Given this event has been run for many years now, I just presumed there would be a word doc of do's / don'ts for civil servants to follow, and probably what caterers they have used in the past etc. Have previous gathering made a similar faux pas?
    It speaks to what I said, Labour just don't care enough to check. That would never be the case for a Muslim celebration.
    Since this happened in 10 Downing St, this will have been a government event rather than a party one. So why were Labour involved in the catering in the first place?
    Partygate was then not down to the Conservatives? Is that your logic?
    Those weren't exactly official government events though, were they? The fault there was with the individuals - most of them were SpAds, so had a foot in both camps.

    But that won't have been the case for a Diwali event, will it - why would a SpAd be doing catering?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,456

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    On the Elon in Government thing

    One to watch is this. Amazon are trying to launch Kuiper - a rival to the Starlink network.

    Kuiper is a smaller number of satellites in higher orbits. But it still requires 3.236 satellites for phase one.

    Under its FCC license, Amazon is required to launch and operate 50% of its satellites no later than July 30, 2026, and must launch and operate the remaining satellites no later than July 30, 2029.

    Currently they have a grand total of two (2) satellites operating for testing.

    The original plan was to launch the constellation using New Glenn, from Blue Origin, the company owned by Jeff Bezos.

    This has been delayed - the first launch will occur sometime in the near future. The vehicle is being prepared for flight now.

    To deal with this delay, Amazon purchased launches from everyone they could. ULA, Ariane and even SpaceX. However many of the rockets they bet on have been delayed. And the satellites themselves are not yet coming off the lines.

    So, it is close to certain that by 30th July 2026, they won’t have launched half their constellation.

    At which point the FCC can either grant a waiver. Or cancel their frequency allocation, putting them out of business.

    Which will it be?

    I guess that depends on what quid pro quo is offered to Trump.
    No doubt one of his smarter grifters will explain it to him.

    Unless Elon's bid is higher.
    Bid for what? Starlink can’t use the frequencies.

    Hilariously, the only launch vehicle with the flight rate to have even a chance of launching all the sats on time is… Falcon 9

    Amazon executives have already booked a couple of F9 launches for Kuiper.
    They could certainly use the monopoly, though.
    On the other hand, SpaceX saved OneWeb, and have launched satellites for everyone else in the satellite date space.
    And at about the same time, destroyed a couple of small rideshare companies that had proven the concept.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,734
    ydoethur said:

    Sean_F said:

    MaxPB said:

    I'm going to put my religious hat on for a moment and say, yes - the government was right to apologise for serving meat at a Hindu religious event. Not because they served it, but because they would never make the same mistake at a Jewish or Muslim religious event. Hindus are very much seen as second class citizens by Labour and this is actually just further proof that they just don't care enough to do the research properly.

    We don't fit into their precious marginalised voter groups and we don't bitch and moan like victims so I guess we're easy to ignore.

    Sounds like a bit of a bitch/moan.
    Would one necessarily assume that a Hindu function should be vegetarian and teetotal? I know Hindus who are neither.
    I’ve been to an Eid work event where they were offering champagne because the guy hosting had Muslim friends who drank champagne.

    Awks.
    At least it wasn't Blue Nun....
    Iff I ever stopped being a good Muslim and decided to drink alcohol my first drink would either be absinthe or a Pappy Va Winkle.
    If your first alcoholic drink was absinthe, seems a non-trivial chance it would be your last drink also.
    I was once asked on the tube by her companions if they should be worried that their non-drinking and now sleepy friend had downed a bottle of vodka.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,771
    ydoethur said:

    kjh said:

    See Musk (@leon's hero for being so intelligent) has completely missed the point of Starship Trooper. One wonders if Trump's guys actually think

    I stopped wondering that on about Jan 6th 2020.
    A very naughty but clever truncation of my post @ydoethur.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 10,953

    Nigelb said:

    Trump transition team had a meeting today to discuss sexual assault allegations against Sec of Defense nominee @PeteHegseth (he denies it)
    https://x.com/gabrielsherman/status/1857225293569609804

    But surely Fox News would never have employed anyone who would commit sexual assault ?

    Looking to find some more detail on this, I found this...

    Resurfaced footage from a Fox News broadcast in 2019 shows Hegseth revealing he hadn’t washed his hands in a decade because "germs are not a real thing.”

    He'll get on well with RFK jnr.
    'Joking' would have been a more accurate word to use than 'revealing'.
    He was not joking. This has been widely reported. Clip here: https://www.newsweek.com/pete-hegseth-hand-washing-video-viral-secretary-defense-trump-1985448
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,836
    The article author emerges wiser than before, so in that regard at least, very much so.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,271
    I'm hearing claims that cybertrucks have difficulty with snow blocking their headlights, necessitating frequent stops to unblock them.

    Apparently the lights are recessed, and so can become blocked by snow even when the vehicle is in motion.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 22,990

    Telegraph trying to turn itself into a parody of itself.....

    ‘My £4k Smeg hob doesn’t work with my Le Creuset pans – I’m furious’

    Whole piece:https://archive.ph/PV3LJ

    It's weird that at no point does she or the Telegrunt discuss whether her pans are induction compatible.

    Le Creuset will kindly sell her a further set of Induction Compatible pans for a further £4k.

    The type of customer who puts diesel in their unleaded tank.

    Reviews of "induction hobs" in the same paper do mention it.

    Though TBH I wouldn't call a Smeg Hob top of the range. These days that would be more like a Bora.

    I love the cross-promoted article:
    'Our children's partners are awful – how can we stop them inheriting our £2m estate?'
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,494
    edited 3:29PM

    Nigelb said:

    Trump transition team had a meeting today to discuss sexual assault allegations against Sec of Defense nominee @PeteHegseth (he denies it)
    https://x.com/gabrielsherman/status/1857225293569609804

    But surely Fox News would never have employed anyone who would commit sexual assault ?

    Looking to find some more detail on this, I found this...

    Resurfaced footage from a Fox News broadcast in 2019 shows Hegseth revealing he hadn’t washed his hands in a decade because "germs are not a real thing.”

    He'll get on well with RFK jnr.
    'Joking' would have been a more accurate word to use than 'revealing'.
    He was not joking. This has been widely reported. Clip here: https://www.newsweek.com/pete-hegseth-hand-washing-video-viral-secretary-defense-trump-1985448
    It helps to read the things you link to: “Hegseth later posted on Twitter that the comment was a joke.”
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,187

    viewcode said:

    Nigelb said:

    Tulsi Gabbard tweeted that Japan was America’s enemy because of Pearl Harbor—within hours of Japan giving Ukraine a loan.
    https://x.com/hissgoescobra/status/1856801708627710186

    Some top analysis from the prospective National Security Advisor.

    It is going to be four years of stupidity after utter stupidity, accompanied by somebody constantly tweeting "Suck it Libtard Tears" or some such. :(
    Honestly, you have to wonder how many of these appointments will still be in post in a year's time. Significantly less than half is my guess. They will "fail" Trump - and be toast.

    It's not like he doesn't have form...
    And the general pattern in this situation is that the second batch will be worse than the first, and the third will be worse still.

    Don't ask me how- it's always possible.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,376

    darkage said:

    Incoming US government official says the UK has become a police state.

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1857420350516056102

    Coming from the people who want to round up "illegals" and put them in camps.
    The mass incarceration of these protestors will be come to be regarded as an error. If you go through the actual 'evidence', which the police and CPS post on social media, most of the imprisoned were just in the wrong place, at the wrong time, and did something a bit stupid; punished under 'public order' laws which are subject to wide interpretation and discretionary enforcement. It was an attempt by the authorities at asserting a muscular progressive authoritarianism; but now it turns out they are on the wrong side of history.

    The other issue here is that we like to make these claims that we are 'better' than authoritarian regimes like Russia; but there is some uncertainty about that.
    Is burning asylum seekers alive in hotels the right side of history then?
    In all seriousness I would look in to the cases people like Musk pick up, and then research them with an open mind. Some of the cases are bizarre; ie the retired train driver from Sutton.

    https://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/24516089.sutton-man-61-chanted-who-f-allah-jailed/



  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,753
    edited 3:33PM
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Do puns in Latin get extra brownie points?

    Ecce homo qui est faba!
    Have you bean at the sauce?
    A census taker history teacher once tried to test me...
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,753
    kjh said:

    See Musk (@leon's hero for being so intelligent) has completely missed the point of Starship Trooper. One wonders if Trump's guys actually think this is a role model to follow and not realise it is a satire. Completely credible that they do.

    "Would you like to know more?"
  • MattWMattW Posts: 22,990

    ydoethur said:

    Sean_F said:

    MaxPB said:

    I'm going to put my religious hat on for a moment and say, yes - the government was right to apologise for serving meat at a Hindu religious event. Not because they served it, but because they would never make the same mistake at a Jewish or Muslim religious event. Hindus are very much seen as second class citizens by Labour and this is actually just further proof that they just don't care enough to do the research properly.

    We don't fit into their precious marginalised voter groups and we don't bitch and moan like victims so I guess we're easy to ignore.

    Sounds like a bit of a bitch/moan.
    Would one necessarily assume that a Hindu function should be vegetarian and teetotal? I know Hindus who are neither.
    I’ve been to an Eid work event where they were offering champagne because the guy hosting had Muslim friends who drank champagne.

    Awks.
    At least it wasn't Blue Nun....
    Iff I ever stopped being a good Muslim and decided to drink alcohol my first drink would either be absinthe or a Pappy Va Winkle.
    If your first alcoholic drink was absinthe, seems a non-trivial chance it would be your last drink also.
    I am a Yorkshireman, we can handle anything, I could drink a litre of absinthe and still go to work straight after.
    Slap ma fro !
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,310
    edited 3:36PM
    ....

    Nigelb said:

    Trump transition team had a meeting today to discuss sexual assault allegations against Sec of Defense nominee @PeteHegseth (he denies it)
    https://x.com/gabrielsherman/status/1857225293569609804

    But surely Fox News would never have employed anyone who would commit sexual assault ?

    Looking to find some more detail on this, I found this...

    Resurfaced footage from a Fox News broadcast in 2019 shows Hegseth revealing he hadn’t washed his hands in a decade because "germs are not a real thing.”

    He'll get on well with RFK jnr.
    'Joking' would have been a more accurate word to use than 'revealing'.
    He was not joking. This has been widely reported. Clip here: https://www.newsweek.com/pete-hegseth-hand-washing-video-viral-secretary-defense-trump-1985448
    It helps to read the things you link to: “Hegseth later posted on Twitter that the comment was a joke.”
    Would you let a non-right wing politician get away with an excuse like that?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,753

    ydoethur said:

    Sean_F said:

    MaxPB said:

    I'm going to put my religious hat on for a moment and say, yes - the government was right to apologise for serving meat at a Hindu religious event. Not because they served it, but because they would never make the same mistake at a Jewish or Muslim religious event. Hindus are very much seen as second class citizens by Labour and this is actually just further proof that they just don't care enough to do the research properly.

    We don't fit into their precious marginalised voter groups and we don't bitch and moan like victims so I guess we're easy to ignore.

    Sounds like a bit of a bitch/moan.
    Would one necessarily assume that a Hindu function should be vegetarian and teetotal? I know Hindus who are neither.
    I’ve been to an Eid work event where they were offering champagne because the guy hosting had Muslim friends who drank champagne.

    Awks.
    At least it wasn't Blue Nun....
    Iff I ever stopped being a good Muslim and decided to drink alcohol my first drink would either be absinthe or a Pappy Va Winkle.
    If your first alcoholic drink was absinthe, seems a non-trivial chance it would be your last drink also.
    I am a Yorkshireman, we can handle anything, I could drink a litre of absinthe and still go to work straight after.
    Great Heck!
  • kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://x.com/maxtempers/status/1857404665786232843

    The Chancellor, Rachel Reeves, worked as a ‘complaints support manager’ and not as an economist in a bank according to a former colleague.

    She resigned after being exposed ‘doing Labour council business’ under the guise of frequent doctor’s and dental appointments.

    Mind you complaints manager at HBOS might now look better on her CV than economist advising RBS before the 2008 crash
    This rumour popped up a month ago and was slapped down again. I can't tell if this is the same source or a separate source repeating it.
    Well it's "Kev Gillett". Make of that what you will.
    Reeve's LinkedIn profile now says.

    Retail Banking Retail Banking
    Halifax · Full-time Halifax · Full-time Dec 2006 - Dec 2009 · 3 yrs 1 moDec 2006 to Dec 2009 · 3 yrs 1 mo Halifax, England, United Kingdom


    Guido claims it used to say "Economist"
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,341
    edited 3:40PM
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    MaxPB said:

    I'm going to put my religious hat on for a moment and say, yes - the government was right to apologise for serving meat at a Hindu religious event. Not because they served it, but because they would never make the same mistake at a Jewish or Muslim religious event. Hindus are very much seen as second class citizens by Labour and this is actually just further proof that they just don't care enough to do the research properly.

    We don't fit into their precious marginalised voter groups and we don't bitch and moan like victims so I guess we're easy to ignore.

    Sounds like a bit of a bitch/moan.
    Would one necessarily assume that a Hindu function should be vegetarian and teetotal? I know Hindus who are neither.
    If they'd spoken to one then they'd have been told to make it vegetarian for sure, alcohol definitely doesn't matter though.
    Given this event has been run for many years now, I just presumed there would be a word doc of do's / don'ts for civil servants to follow, and probably what caterers they have used in the past etc. Have previous gathering made a similar faux pas?
    It speaks to what I said, Labour just don't care enough to check. That would never be the case for a Muslim celebration.
    It is surely a simple question of freedom of choice. It would have been unpardonable not to have provided ample vegetarian options for such an event and not to have clearly labelled the meat options and the veggie ones, but I do not support the notion of banning meat to those who wanted to eat it. I also don't support all meat provision being halal to avoid offence to Muslims. Label things and give people options.

    That said, point taken on all Hindus observing vegetarianism during Diwali celebrations - that's useful info.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,014

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    On the Elon in Government thing

    One to watch is this. Amazon are trying to launch Kuiper - a rival to the Starlink network.

    Kuiper is a smaller number of satellites in higher orbits. But it still requires 3.236 satellites for phase one.

    Under its FCC license, Amazon is required to launch and operate 50% of its satellites no later than July 30, 2026, and must launch and operate the remaining satellites no later than July 30, 2029.

    Currently they have a grand total of two (2) satellites operating for testing.

    The original plan was to launch the constellation using New Glenn, from Blue Origin, the company owned by Jeff Bezos.

    This has been delayed - the first launch will occur sometime in the near future. The vehicle is being prepared for flight now.

    To deal with this delay, Amazon purchased launches from everyone they could. ULA, Ariane and even SpaceX. However many of the rockets they bet on have been delayed. And the satellites themselves are not yet coming off the lines.

    So, it is close to certain that by 30th July 2026, they won’t have launched half their constellation.

    At which point the FCC can either grant a waiver. Or cancel their frequency allocation, putting them out of business.

    Which will it be?

    I guess that depends on what quid pro quo is offered to Trump.
    No doubt one of his smarter grifters will explain it to him.

    Unless Elon's bid is higher.
    Bid for what? Starlink can’t use the frequencies.

    Hilariously, the only launch vehicle with the flight rate to have even a chance of launching all the sats on time is… Falcon 9

    Amazon executives have already booked a couple of F9 launches for Kuiper.
    They could certainly use the monopoly, though.
    On the other hand, SpaceX saved OneWeb, and have launched satellites for everyone else in the satellite date space.
    And at about the same time, destroyed a couple of small rideshare companies that had proven the concept.
    The rideshare company that had integrated a satellite leaking propellant and sent it to the launch site?

    I’m trying to imagine what Tory Bruno would have done if someone had tried that on Atlas….
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