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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Rabbit = savings tax cut ?
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,713
    Savers....rabbit time?
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    If only Ladbrokes paid out every time Ozzy said Long Term Economic Plan, I think it got its 5th mention so far.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,305
    He is going to give Danny a lap dance, NAP
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    Sixth time now
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,305
    We will also extend the horserace betting levy to bookmakers who are based offshore
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    OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143

    "Class 2 NICs to be turned into self-assessment, cutting bureaucracy for millions of workers."

    Anyone know what that means?

    At the moment, the self-employed have to pay Class II NICs twice a year (was quarterly) at a flat rate of £2.70 (ish?) per week. My other half is always forgetting to do so, one assumes she will only have to pay this now when she comes to file her tax return and pay outstanding tax at that time.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,305
    Errm

    Aren't all of them based offshore ?
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,805
    Cash and stock ISAs to be merged, and annual limit increased to £15,000.

    Wow.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 78,069
    Here comes the big rabbit....
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 115,945
    edited March 2014
    Pulpstar said:

    Errm

    Aren't all of them based offshore ?

    Ladbrokes isn't I think
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    @OblitusSumMe - Ah, right, thanks. Makes sense.
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,713
    Here's the oldies bung...
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,305

    Pulpstar said:

    Errm

    Aren't all of them based offshore ?

    Ladbrokes and William Hill aren't I think
    They also tend to offer crap prices :P.

    Bigger overrounds :S ?!
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    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Errm

    Aren't all of them based offshore ?

    Ladbrokes and William Hill aren't I think
    They also tend to offer crap prices :P.

    Bigger overrounds :S ?!
    I checked, William Hill are Gibraltar, Ladbrokes are London
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,416
    I called the ISA changes at 12.38pm!

    See below!
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,305
    Mind you Stan James offer good prices (Even though I'm barred and I think they are UK Based)
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    George Osborne is currently creating work for pension practitioners.
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,713
    Sweet holy mother of god...those pension changes..
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    antifrank said:

    George Osborne is currently creating work for pension practitioners.

    That pleases it you does it not?
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,416
    This will be mega, mega, mega popular with pensioners + people approaching retirement!
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,305
    55 min+ I think
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    antifrank said:

    George Osborne is currently creating work for pension practitioners.

    That pleases it you does it not?
    I've had worse budgets.
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    MikeL said:

    This will be mega, mega, mega popular with pensioners + people approaching retirement!

    Does anyone have any idea how the pensioners and older people vote?

    *Innocent Face*
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,713
    Rabbit time!!!
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,305
    Anyone buy budget minutes on the exchanges ?
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Granny budget.

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    I have no idea what this means, but its from someone who knows his stuff, can someone explain it to me please?

    Allister Heath ‏@AllisterHeath 21s

    End of compulsory annuities, end of tax punishment, massive change. Crippling attack on Labour's plans also.
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    fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,289
    Its interesting that there hasn't been a lot for the Labour benches to heckle in this budget, apart from the digs aimed that them.
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    PongPong Posts: 4,693
    Pulpstar said:

    Anyone buy budget minutes on the exchanges ?

    Nope, I sold.

    Hurry up George!

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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,416
    WOW!

    You can earn £5k savings income tax free on top of your PA!

    ie Pensioner earning £15,500 pays NO TAX!!!!
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    PongPong Posts: 4,693
    about 56 mins
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,305
    Pong said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Anyone buy budget minutes on the exchanges ?

    Nope, I sold.

    Hurry up George!

    Whats the sip count at now - I make it 1 ?
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    fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,289
    Agreed. What do you make of the pensions/savings segment at the end of the budget?
    antifrank said:

    antifrank said:

    George Osborne is currently creating work for pension practitioners.

    That pleases it you does it not?
    I've had worse budgets.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,305
    1 sip, 58 minutes ?
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,713

    I have no idea what this means, but its from someone who knows his stuff, can someone explain it to me please?

    Allister Heath ‏@AllisterHeath 21s

    End of compulsory annuities, end of tax punishment, massive change. Crippling attack on Labour's plans also.

    It means grannies love a bit of Ozzie...
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,416
    Savings changes are huge.

    Amount you can put into a cash ISA almost TREBLES!
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,412
    edited March 2014
    Interesting, very very focused on people approaching retirement. They'll be pleased - for everyone else it's a bit meh, after all the build-up.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,305
    Did he 'Commend the budget to the house' ?

    Or decide it wasn't the right day.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 50,081
    MikeL said:

    Savings changes are huge.

    Amount you can put into a cash ISA almost TREBLES!

    All well and good - but pretty pointless with the current crap interest rates, no?
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,713
    Miliband struggling...
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Apart from Ozzie and Danny the huge pension reforms have the paw marks of Steve Webb all over them.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 78,069
    Here comes Wallace....
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    Crikey, Ed M is shoutier than Ed Balls.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 78,069
    edited March 2014
    Cost of living crisis.....are you better off...

    It seems Ed is sticking to his prepared speech, which is little to do with what Osborne said.

    It is clear, Ed was going to give his speech whatever was in the budget...drawing the election lines.
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    I have no idea what this means, but its from someone who knows his stuff, can someone explain it to me please?

    Allister Heath ‏@AllisterHeath 21s

    End of compulsory annuities, end of tax punishment, massive change. Crippling attack on Labour's plans also.

    It means grannies love a bit of Ozzie...
    Thanks.
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    maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,429
    This is bloody tragic from Ed. More tragic is he has a solid voting bloc who buy it.
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,713
    Ed's very shrill today VATEeeeeeee
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    TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    Ed's playing the same record as last year.
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    SchardsSchards Posts: 210
    Miliband making pre prepared statement with no reference to Osborne's speech. Coward
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,305

    Cost of living crisis.....are you better off...

    It seems Ed is sticking to his prepared speech, which is little to do with what Osborne said.

    He always does that.
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    PongPong Posts: 4,693
    Budget speech in full:

    https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/chancellor-george-osbornes-budget-2014-speech

    25 "billion"s

    Thanks Mr Nabavi. Kerching!
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,713
    Is Ed just re-doing last years speech?
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,672
    Labour 2015 Manifesto - 1. Vote Labour, vote against the evil Tory Bedroom Tax (which Labour won't, er, overturn...)

    2. Er...

    3. That's it.

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    FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916
    edited March 2014
    Miliband does not come over well with his constantly moving pointy finger. People who do that almost incessantly know they have lost the argument.
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    OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    SeanT said:

    Great news about annuities.

    WTF is an annuity, by the way?

    You give an actuary a large sum of money in return for a small sum of money every year until you die.

    It means there is no chance that your pot of money will run out, so if you live a lot longer then you expect the actuary will be able to use money from people who die younger then they expected to keep on paying your pension.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,305
    I'm worried about the Labour party front bench.

    Not sure they are getting enough FIBRE in their diets.
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    richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    EdM's reply is poor so far .. he seems to think all bankers get 5million a year and he is repeating last years slogans
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    TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262

    Is Ed just re-doing last years speech?

    Yes.

    Radio 4 have just cut him off.
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,713
    Radio 4 is even too bored to continue with Ed..
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,833
    Ed seems to stuck in 6th Form debating competition mode. Another weak performance - but then that is what we expect from him on days like this.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 50,081

    SeanT said:

    Great news about annuities.

    WTF is an annuity, by the way?

    You give an actuary a large sum of money in return for a small sum of money every year until you die.

    It means there is no chance that your pot of money will run out, so if you live a lot longer then you expect the actuary will be able to use money from people who die younger then they expected to keep on paying your pension.
    WTF is an actuary?

    :)
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Even accepting that the LotO's budget reply is a difficult gig this has to be one of the worst I've heard.

    Very subdued Labour benches and the government benches are largely indifferent to Ed.
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    Pong said:

    Budget speech in full:

    https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/chancellor-george-osbornes-budget-2014-speech

    25 "billion"s

    Thanks Mr Nabavi. Kerching!

    We will also support the celebration of the 800th anniversary of the signing of the Magna Carta next year.

    King John’s humbling centuries ago seems unimaginably distant.

    A weak leader, who had risen to the top – after betraying his brother, compelled by a gang of unruly barons to sign on the dotted line.

    So I will provide a grant to the Magna Carta Trust to ensure that today’s generation learn the lessons of the past.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,305
    I can't hear Mr Miliband but he's doing a good job of looking like he's being a bit shouty.
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,713
    edited March 2014

    SeanT said:

    Great news about annuities.

    WTF is an annuity, by the way?

    You give an actuary a large sum of money in return for a small sum of money every year until you die.

    It means there is no chance that your pot of money will run out, so if you live a lot longer then you expect the actuary will be able to use money from people who die younger then they expected to keep on paying your pension.
    WTF is an actuary?

    :)
    Someone who thinks that accountancy is too exciting, exotic and dangerous a career.
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    maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,429
    Deputy speaker getting a little partisan here.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,305
    Ahahah All my worries about Ed Balls being replaced before GE are gone - Ed Miliband seems to be aping his style !!!
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,833
    edited March 2014
    I used to think Hoyle was a reasonable Deputy Speaker - but he is being very partisan in his handling of this. There was a lot of Labour noise during the Budget - and he let it go. Now there is Tory noise during the response and he is standing up over and over again.
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    richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    Is there a PB book open on how many times Ed will say "Same old tories"
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Looks like Ed has downgraded to a 30% core vote strategy.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,305
    Could do with that Tory bounce in the polls. !
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    FensterFenster Posts: 2,115
    Ed Miliband's haircut is getting a tad early 90s. Another three weeks and he'll have curtains.
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    I ain't the biggest fan of Ed Milliband, but what do you expect the LOTO to actually say on Budget Day?
    He can't respond to it directly, so he can only read from a prepared script.
    I can't see the point of it at all.

    Mind you Milliband's "nod your head routine" is fecking pathetic.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,672
    Bullingdon Club!!

    Wtf has David Dimbleby got to do with this, Ed?
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    GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323

    I used to think Hoyle was a reasonable Deputy Speaker - but he is being very partial in his handling of this. There was a lot of Labour noise during the Budget - and he let it go. Now there is Tory noise during the response and he is standing up over and over again.

    Not necessarily helping Ed Miliband. His over tone is sloganeering, little narrative - and that's all the more difficult when you're interrupted by the Speaker.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    SeanT said:

    Great news about annuities.

    WTF is an annuity, by the way?

    Simplifying, when you retire you had to give all your money to an insurance company in return for an annual income until you die. If you die the day after signing the contract that's tough luck.

    Now you don't
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,412
    Just a factual query - what is this about?

    "almost double the total pension savings you can take as a lump sum to £30,000"

    And what do we read into this?

    "There will be consequential implications for defined benefit pensions upon which we will consult and proceed cautiously."
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    Well, that wasn't one rabbit, that was a whole warren of rabbits.

    The pension changes are quite extraordinary. Hadn't seen that lot coming.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 78,069
    I turned Ed off because it was so painful...

    I think if I had to attack, with Ed "out of touch" meme, I would on the basis Osborne is giving people opportunity for people to save £15k a year tax free, not a lot of ordinary struggling folks will see that as normal or realistic to have £15k every year to put away.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 50,081

    SeanT said:

    Great news about annuities.

    WTF is an annuity, by the way?

    You give an actuary a large sum of money in return for a small sum of money every year until you die.

    It means there is no chance that your pot of money will run out, so if you live a lot longer then you expect the actuary will be able to use money from people who die younger then they expected to keep on paying your pension.
    WTF is an actuary?

    :)
    Someone who thinks that accountancy is too exciting, exotic and dangerous a career.

    *like!*
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Ozzie is painting this as fiscally neutral, so somebody will have to get hit, somewhere along the line, in return for the giveaways.
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    EasterrossEasterross Posts: 1,915
    Ed Milibland seems to think talking up a class war is the answer to the budget.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Class war nonsense from Ed.
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    SchardsSchards Posts: 210
    This is truely terrible, it's just a prejudiced rant about everything Miliband doesn't like about the tories with no reference whatsoever to the budget speech just given. It's a good job no one listens, it's utterly embarrassing.
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    I have had essentially no good options for saving money in recent years. This budget will make getting a somewhat non-shitty return on savings possible for the first time in years. So....GOOD.
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    corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    "Crap" is apparently parliamentary language then?
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 50,081
    Financier said:

    Miliband does not come over well with his constantly moving pointy finger. People who do that almost incessantly know they have lost the argument.

    Or even this?

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/david-cameron-speech-we-finger-2331083
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    corporeal said:

    "Crap" is apparently parliamentary language then?

    Yup - Ever since Ed Miliband became Labour Leader.
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    taffys said:

    Ozzie is painting this as fiscally neutral, so somebody will have to get hit, somewhere along the line, in return for the giveaways.

    Welfare capped. Investment boosted.
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Ed Milibland seems to think talking up a class war is the answer to the budget.

    Ed and wee dougie are sounding more like occupy every day. Bankers, bankers, bankers.
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    LennonLennon Posts: 1,756
    Charles said:

    SeanT said:

    Great news about annuities.

    WTF is an annuity, by the way?

    Simplifying, when you retire you had to give all your money to an insurance company in return for an annual income until you die. If you die the day after signing the contract that's tough luck.

    Now you don't
    Equally, you can now squander all the money and then go 'Oops' and ask the State to look after you - not sure what the intended prevention to that is other than assuming personal responsibility.
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,833
    Did Miliband actually say anything about the content of the Budget? Did he mention savings? No. Did he mention duty levels? No. Did he mention anything of substance? No.

    (see we can all play that game Ed!)

    I appreciate it is a difficult speech to make - but he has had enough time to settle into the role and get better at it. But it seems he is going backwards in terms of style, presentation and content.

    Long may it continue!
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    taffys said:

    Ozzie is painting this as fiscally neutral, so somebody will have to get hit, somewhere along the line, in return for the giveaways.

    The pensions change was stated to be revenue positive (it may well be). An example of a potentially popular policy raising money - the last one I can think of is the national lottery.
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    BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    So what's the PB verdict?

    Home run by Ozzy and a disaster for Ed?
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,672


    And what do we read into this?

    Nick - that your employment prospects in 2015 just took a serious knock!
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    TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    Schards said:

    This is truely terrible, it's just a prejudiced rant about everything Miliband doesn't like about the tories with no reference whatsoever to the budget speech just given. It's a good job no one listens, it's utterly embarrassing.

    Well, what else can he say? Nothing useful.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    This to me looks like a budget to dish UKIP. It looks to appeal to the Mail and the Express battlers.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    edited March 2014
    Utter bilge from Ed.

    Full of platitudes and class war rhetoric without addressing ANY of the budget measures

    "Bankers Blah Blah .... Usual Tories Blah Blah ...."

    Britain deserves better than Ed but the nation is stuck with him until Labour elect another LotO next year.
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