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  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    SeanT said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    AndyJS said:

    FPT:

    Which of these is more important:

    (a) Camden Market and Boris's dad's house

    (b) A direct rail link potentially connecting the following cities to the continental rail network: Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Glasgow, Edinburgh.

    Answer:

    Everyone in London and SE: (a)
    Everyone else: (b)

    Andy, for crying out loud. It's about a 10 minute walk, with luggage. I've done it plenty of times. A few people being slightly inconvenienced vs. £700m and 10 years of disruption to local residents.

    Nolo contendere as antifrank would say.
    able bodied banker with good knowledge of London in doesn't mind a walk shock.

    I know my way around Copenhagen airport rather better.

    This weekend I realised how sad my life was - was stuck at O'Hare and end up discussing the layout of Copenhagen airport with a random stranger in the queue...

    It's still not worth £700m. If you're that worried about it get a cab.
    Personally Charles I doubt I'll ever use it, I generally try to avoid London . But if you're elderly, disabled or a visitor coming in from abroad, maybe London should try to make itself user friendly.
    Crivvens. You don't think London is user-friendly??? It is all too user-friendly, which is why it is the richest city in Europe, perhaps the most successful capital in the world, and about to exceed its peak population of 8.6m, which it first reached back in 1939.

    http://blogs.ft.com/ftdata/2013/07/17/london-population-set-to-break-historic-record-high/
    each to their own Sean, I think it's a shithole. Ripoff central. Mind you I think the same about Paris, they're two cities I just don't like.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,834
    On topic: no, it doesn't mean top Tories have given up. Gove's point is fair and - if followed through - would actually help the party. Politicians are always conscious of positioning in case the leadership falls vacant. Certainly, they'll do it with more urgency if they think that election is becoming imminent but it's not an either-or.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,468
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Etonians, Yawn.

    Can we go back to arguing about HS2?

    Trains! Hooray!

    Camden Is Saved.

    Is it? I've skimmed the report and listened to as much of the press conference as the BBC allowed, and I *think* that Higgins is minded to cancel the link. Basically because it's a bodge (see my previous existentially boring posts)

    However ISTR he said that he wants it looked into, and it might return as ... a double track line!

    http://assets.hs2.org.uk/sites/default/files/inserts/Higgins Report - HS2 Plus.pdf

    As for disruption, how much trouble has been caused by the worked around Tottenham Court Road for Croosrail ovedr the last three or four years? Are Londoners managing well enough with that?
    It Is Saved. The government has already accepted the recommendations:

    http://www.camdennewjournal.com/news/2014/mar/transport-secretary-patrick-mcloughlin-confirms-camden-town-section-hs2-project-will-b

    Have you seen Tottenham Ct Road these last years? Absolute nightmare. Camden Town under the HS2-link would have been that, times 10, in one of the busiest and most popular parts of London (not something you could ever have said about Centrepoint).

    Right decision.

    If they are desperate for a link let them build tunnels, or do it somewhere else with less important, less good looking, less intelligent people. Thanks.
    I don't necessarily disagree with you - the link was always a bit of a bodge job, as I have said passim. In fact, I think I said on here a year or so ago that it would be better to use the money on making Euston fit for purpose. It really is a hideous dump.

    But so is Camden. Seriously. It is a dump. I love the place dearly (the most beautiful girl I ever dated lived nearby). But it is a frenetic and madcap, dirty and dismal.

    Construction workers would only add to the local colour. Especially this guy:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ig4KeEyiB0
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    AndyJS said:

    FPT:

    Which of these is more important:

    (a) Camden Market and Boris's dad's house

    (b) A direct rail link potentially connecting the following cities to the continental rail network: Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Glasgow, Edinburgh.

    Answer:

    Everyone in London and SE: (a)
    Everyone else: (b)

    Andy, for crying out loud. It's about a 10 minute walk, with luggage. I've done it plenty of times. A few people being slightly inconvenienced vs. £700m and 10 years of disruption to local residents.

    Nolo contendere as antifrank would say.
    able bodied banker with good knowledge of London in doesn't mind a walk shock.

    I know my way around Copenhagen airport rather better.

    This weekend I realised how sad my life was - was stuck at O'Hare and end up discussing the layout of Copenhagen airport with a random stranger in the queue...

    It's still not worth £700m. If you're that worried about it get a cab.
    Personally Charles I doubt I'll ever use it, I generally try to avoid London . But if you're elderly, disabled or a visitor coming in from abroad, maybe London should try to make itself user friendly.
    It is pretty user friendly. But even so, it's not the justification for that kind of spend on a marginal benefit.

    This is was transport integration in major cities costs. The GLA is having to borrow £1bn for two tube stops to Battersea, probably with extra private money on top.

    http://www.mayorwatch.co.uk/city-hall-to-borrow-1bn-for-northern-line-battersea-extension/
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    Mick_Pork said:

    What the PB Hodges would prefer to do regards Blue on Blue constant incoming:

    http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mattsmyth/Assets/Tinfingers/cyril-posh-squirrel-wb.jpg

    LOL

    It's also clear that it isn't just the top of the tory party where the the most amusing self-parodies of posh twerps can be found. ;)
    To think the fabled crossover was within touching distance according to the Hodges, enter the Tory circular firing squad, and hey ho, off we go again. Something tells me this blue on blue incoming has more legs than a centipede conga, especially when Cameron has to step in to attack one of his faithful cabinet members.
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095

    What the PB Hodges would prefer to do regards Blue on Blue constant incoming:

    http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mattsmyth/Assets/Tinfingers/cyril-posh-squirrel-wb.jpg

    Oh dear Compouter. you are suffering from some form of obsessive compulsive disorder..the same crap time and time again, iof it isn't PB hodges its now blue on blue incoming.. It so reminds me of a former poster on this site..
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    "Cameron has made it very clear to Gove that his words were ‘bang out of order’ and that his aim is to focus on the Cabinet job in hand, not go on freelance missions." Is that what you call a Fop Strop?
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,564
    The full YG figures: 40/32/11 UKIP/9 LD. Slight UKIP recovery, so slight Tory dip, and Labour a bit above trend. Real lead still 5-6, probably.

    13.5 months left for Cameron to do whatever it was he had in mind.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    Charles said:

    BobaFett said:

    Charles said:

    AndyJS said:

    FPT:

    Which of these is more important:

    (a) Camden Market and Boris's dad's house

    (b) A direct rail link potentially connecting the following cities to the continental rail network: Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Glasgow, Edinburgh.

    Answer:

    Everyone in London and SE: (a)
    Everyone else: (b)

    Andy, for crying out loud. It's about a 10 minute walk, with luggage. I've done it plenty of times. A few people being slightly inconvenienced vs. £700m and 10 years of disruption to local residents.

    Nolo contendere as antifrank would say.
    I wonder what the reaction would be if Londoners had a "10 minute" change at Ebsfleet to get to Paris.

    And it's not a 10 minute transfer - unless you are advocating no contingency time between trains? In reality it will add 15-30 minutes to the journey, and lots of hassle.
    I don't worry that much that I have to transit from Gare de Nord to Gare de Lyon when I'm going to Nice.
    Bravo Charles. Someone else who travels in a civilised fashion.

  • CopperSulphateCopperSulphate Posts: 1,119
    London sucks all the money out of the rest of the country. Look at the state of most of the provincial cities these days.

    Not even Londoners can afford to live there now, so it's just the playground of the world's rich with a few well off MPs and media types mixed in. Which probably explains why the UKs major cities are being told to get stuffed to save that crappy little market.
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371

    What the PB Hodges would prefer to do regards Blue on Blue constant incoming:

    http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mattsmyth/Assets/Tinfingers/cyril-posh-squirrel-wb.jpg

    Oh dear Compouter. you are suffering from some form of obsessive compulsive disorder..the same crap time and time again, iof it isn't PB hodges its now blue on blue incoming.. It so reminds me of a former poster on this site..
    GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAL!
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    BobaFett said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    AndyJS said:

    FPT:

    Which of these is more important:

    (a) Camden Market and Boris's dad's house

    (b) A direct rail link potentially connecting the following cities to the continental rail network: Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Glasgow, Edinburgh.

    Answer:

    Everyone in London and SE: (a)
    Everyone else: (b)

    Andy, for crying out loud. It's about a 10 minute walk, with luggage. I've done it plenty of times. A few people being slightly inconvenienced vs. £700m and 10 years of disruption to local residents.

    Nolo contendere as antifrank would say.
    able bodied banker with good knowledge of London in doesn't mind a walk shock.

    I know my way around Copenhagen airport rather better.

    This weekend I realised how sad my life was - was stuck at O'Hare and end up discussing the layout of Copenhagen airport with a random stranger in the queue...

    It's still not worth £700m. If you're that worried about it get a cab.
    Personally Charles I doubt I'll ever use it, I generally try to avoid London . But if you're elderly, disabled or a visitor coming in from abroad, maybe London should try to make itself user friendly.
    It is pretty user friendly. But even so, it's not the justification for that kind of spend on a marginal benefit.

    This is was transport integration in major cities costs. The GLA is having to borrow £1bn for two tube stops to Battersea, probably with extra private money on top.

    http://www.mayorwatch.co.uk/city-hall-to-borrow-1bn-for-northern-line-battersea-extension/
    just accept, they'll penny pinch, realise they've messed it up three years later and then they'll spend about £2billion to do what they should have done in the first place.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,668

    I'm from London and I hate Camden Market. A load of middle class kids pretending to be poor and trendy using Daddies money.

    Much more important than connecting the other major cities than Europe

    Haven't been there for years, but last time I went it was full of Spanish and Japanese tourists.

  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Its pretty mild stuff really. Compare it to McPoison and the clunking fist of Gordon.

    Bickering is the sign of a happy relationship. It goes much quieter in public when it is serious.

    "Cameron has made it very clear to Gove that his words were ‘bang out of order’ and that his aim is to focus on the Cabinet job in hand, not go on freelance missions." Is that what you call a Fop Strop?

  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Scottish independence: With six months to go, can Alex Salmond's plans pass the five tests of roadworthiness?

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/scottish-independence-with-six-months-to-go-can-alex-salmonds-plans-pass-the-five-tests-of-roadworthiness-9197537.html
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    AndyJS said:

    FPT:

    Which of these is more important:

    (a) Camden Market and Boris's dad's house

    (b) A direct rail link potentially connecting the following cities to the continental rail network: Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Glasgow, Edinburgh.

    Answer:

    Everyone in London and SE: (a)
    Everyone else: (b)

    Andy, for crying out loud. It's about a 10 minute walk, with luggage. I've done it plenty of times. A few people being slightly inconvenienced vs. £700m and 10 years of disruption to local residents.

    Nolo contendere as antifrank would say.
    able bodied banker with good knowledge of London in doesn't mind a walk shock.

    I know my way around Copenhagen airport rather better.

    This weekend I realised how sad my life was - was stuck at O'Hare and end up discussing the layout of Copenhagen airport with a random stranger in the queue...

    It's still not worth £700m. If you're that worried about it get a cab.
    Personally Charles I doubt I'll ever use it, I generally try to avoid London . But if you're elderly, disabled or a visitor coming in from abroad, maybe London should try to make itself user friendly.
    It is pretty user friendly. But even so, it's not the justification for that kind of spend on a marginal benefit.

    London's meant to be the national showcase. You'll only start worrying when visiting investors complain about the hassle and then you'll spend twice the amount to put it right. It's the same with all big engineering projects. We penny pinch, then when we realise we've cocked it up, it costs us a fortune to rectify the penny pinching.
    Indeed. Someone cited the M5 earlier - was only dual at first because we were told it didn't need three lanes.

    Of course, later on we did so they had to pull giant chunks of it apart and start again at eye watering cost.

    Whatever happened to the old civil engineer's mantra of getting the job right first time?
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    @Mick_Pork,we have our freedom - lol

    Tim Montgomerie ‏@TimMontgomerie · 21 mins
    Bad news for UK: AV-Euro-and-Brown supporting @EddieIzzard comes to aid of @UK_Together campaign https://twitter.com/eddieizzard/status

  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Sun Politics ‏@Sun_Politics · 2 mins
    Govt announce £2k childcare tax break for working parents: http://bit.ly/1nz97G6

  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,468

    London sucks all the money out of the rest of the country. Look at the state of most of the provincial cities these days.

    Not even Londoners can afford to live there now, so it's just the playground of the world's rich with a few well off MPs and media types mixed in. Which probably explains why the UKs major cities are being told to get stuffed to save that crappy little market.

    Some of the problem is a lack of ambition in the provincial towns and cities, or at least ambition in the wrong way. I'm not London's greatest fan (I don't think it's horrible either), but there is a get-up-and-go vitality in much of the capital that is too infrequently seen elsewhere.

    Instead of being jealous, other cities should look at London to see what they are doing right.

    It's partly an attitude problem.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530

    Its pretty mild stuff really. Compare it to McPoison

    Compare what to McBride?

    Tick, Tock.

    :)

  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Another McARSE in the morning I believe.

    That should cheer up malcolmg.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    BobaFett said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    AndyJS said:

    FPT:

    Which of these is more important:

    (a) Camden Market and Boris's dad's house

    (b) A direct rail link potentially connecting the following cities to the continental rail network: Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Glasgow, Edinburgh.

    Answer:

    Everyone in London and SE: (a)
    Everyone else: (b)

    Andy, for crying out loud. It's about a 10 minute walk, with luggage. I've done it plenty of times. A few people being slightly inconvenienced vs. £700m and 10 years of disruption to local residents.

    Nolo contendere as antifrank would say.
    able bodied banker with good knowledge of London in doesn't mind a walk shock.

    I know my way around Copenhagen airport rather better.

    This weekend I realised how sad my life was - was stuck at O'Hare and end up discussing the layout of Copenhagen airport with a random stranger in the queue...

    It's still not worth £700m. If you're that worried about it get a cab.
    Personally Charles I doubt I'll ever use it, I generally try to avoid London . But if you're elderly, disabled or a visitor coming in from abroad, maybe London should try to make itself user friendly.
    It is pretty user friendly. But even so, it's not the justification for that kind of spend on a marginal benefit.

    London's meant to be the national showcase. You'll only start worrying when visiting investors complain about the hassle and then you'll spend twice the amount to put it right. It's the same with all big engineering projects. We penny pinch, then when we realise we've cocked it up, it costs us a fortune to rectify the penny pinching.
    Indeed. Someone cited the M5 earlier - was only dual at first because we were told it didn't need three lanes.

    Of course, later on we did so they had to pull giant chunks of it apart and start again at eye watering cost.

    Whatever happened to the old civil engineer's mantra of getting the job right first time?
    closer to home why not try the M25 three lanes when built. That went well.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    An interesting quandary for NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell.

    From his appointment he has been the 'law and order' commissioner, ruling the league with an iron will.

    Jim Irsay was arrested on Sunday night and faces 4 felony charges of driving while under the influence and possession of controlled substances - prescription drugs not prescribed to him and contents differing from the labels on the containers.

    The problem? Jim Irsay is the owner of the Indianapolis Colts, and one of the 32 NFL club owners who pay Goodell his $44million a year salary package. So Goodell has to discpiline one of his bosses.

    The next couple of days will be interesting to see what punishment comes down.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,468
    BobaFett said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    AndyJS said:

    FPT:

    Which of these is more important:

    (a) Camden Market and Boris's dad's house

    (b) A direct rail link potentially connecting the following cities to the continental rail network: Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Glasgow, Edinburgh.

    Answer:

    Everyone in London and SE: (a)
    Everyone else: (b)

    Andy, for crying out loud. It's about a 10 minute walk, with luggage. I've done it plenty of times. A few people being slightly inconvenienced vs. £700m and 10 years of disruption to local residents.

    Nolo contendere as antifrank would say.
    able bodied banker with good knowledge of London in doesn't mind a walk shock.

    I know my way around Copenhagen airport rather better.

    This weekend I realised how sad my life was - was stuck at O'Hare and end up discussing the layout of Copenhagen airport with a random stranger in the queue...

    It's still not worth £700m. If you're that worried about it get a cab.
    Personally Charles I doubt I'll ever use it, I generally try to avoid London . But if you're elderly, disabled or a visitor coming in from abroad, maybe London should try to make itself user friendly.
    It is pretty user friendly. But even so, it's not the justification for that kind of spend on a marginal benefit.

    London's meant to be the national showcase. You'll only start worrying when visiting investors complain about the hassle and then you'll spend twice the amount to put it right. It's the same with all big engineering projects. We penny pinch, then when we realise we've cocked it up, it costs us a fortune to rectify the penny pinching.
    Indeed. Someone cited the M5 earlier - was only dual at first because we were told it didn't need three lanes.

    Of course, later on we did so they had to pull giant chunks of it apart and start again at eye watering cost.

    Whatever happened to the old civil engineer's mantra of getting the job right first time?
    I've made that point on here many times: we often do the cheapest project possible and end up paying more correcting things later. Another example was the M25, which should really have been built with a minimum of four lanes.

    We also need to investigate *why* civil engineering projects cost so much, especially when compared to our continental neighbours. But I'm whistling in the wind on that one...

    Anyway, I'm off to bed. Night all.
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371

    Its pretty mild stuff really. Compare it to McPoison and the clunking fist of Gordon.

    Bickering is the sign of a happy relationship. It goes much quieter in public when it is serious.

    "Cameron has made it very clear to Gove that his words were ‘bang out of order’ and that his aim is to focus on the Cabinet job in hand, not go on freelance missions." Is that what you call a Fop Strop?

    Voters do not like divided governments. I bet Cameron wishes his ministers were all as compliant as the Lib Dems.
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789

    SeanT said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    AndyJS said:

    FPT:

    Which of these is more important:

    (a) Camden Market and Boris's dad's house

    (b) A direct rail link potentially connecting the following cities to the continental rail network: Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Glasgow, Edinburgh.

    Answer:

    Everyone in London and SE: (a)
    Everyone else: (b)

    Andy, for crying out loud. It's about a 10 minute walk, with luggage. I've done it plenty of times. A few people being slightly inconvenienced vs. £700m and 10 years of disruption to local residents.

    Nolo contendere as antifrank would say.
    able bodied banker with good knowledge of London in doesn't mind a walk shock.

    I know my way around Copenhagen airport rather better.

    This weekend I realised how sad my life was - was stuck at O'Hare and end up discussing the layout of Copenhagen airport with a random stranger in the queue...

    It's still not worth £700m. If you're that worried about it get a cab.
    Personally Charles I doubt I'll ever use it, I generally try to avoid London . But if you're elderly, disabled or a visitor coming in from abroad, maybe London should try to make itself user friendly.
    Crivvens. You don't think London is user-friendly??? It is all too user-friendly, which is why it is the richest city in Europe, perhaps the most successful capital in the world, and about to exceed its peak population of 8.6m, which it first reached back in 1939.

    http://blogs.ft.com/ftdata/2013/07/17/london-population-set-to-break-historic-record-high/
    each to their own Sean, I think it's a shithole. Ripoff central. Mind you I think the same about Paris, they're two cities I just don't like.
    I thought that about London once - you just need to get to know it, discover its great secrets.

    Those you do not find schlepping down Euston Road with luggage.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530

    Sun Politics ‏@Sun_Politics · 2 mins
    Govt announce £2k childcare tax break for working parents: http://bit.ly/1nz97G6

    "There is no money left" etc.

    Bang goes that Osbrowne spin, yet again.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    This is just a minor tiff. Gove is loyal to the party, just up for the fight. I can see him having a big role next year.

    The tick, tock is the clock running down for the Yes campaign.
    Mick_Pork said:

    Its pretty mild stuff really. Compare it to McPoison

    Compare what to McBride?

    Tick, Tock.

    :)

  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Midlands manufacturing hits 16-year high

    http://www.birminghampost.co.uk/business/manufacturing/midlands-manufacturing-hits-16-year-high-6834726

    Just thinking about this,what the F was labour doing for 13 years.
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited March 2014

    This is just a minor tiff.

    You've got that right at least. You're really going to enjoy the summer along with Cammie, Clegg and the incompetent fops. So much 'exciting' news can happen then.

    LOL

    :)




  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789

    Sun Politics ‏@Sun_Politics · 2 mins
    Govt announce £2k childcare tax break for working parents: http://bit.ly/1nz97G6

    Sounds the same as childcare vouchers??
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    Sun Politics ‏@Sun_Politics · 2 mins
    Govt announce £2k childcare tax break for working parents: http://bit.ly/1nz97G6

    That would be extremely unsurprising. It's just about the perfect tax cut at present.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,015
    SeanT said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    AndyJS said:

    FPT:

    Which of these is more important:

    (a) Camden Market and Boris's dad's house

    (b) A direct rail link potentially connecting the following cities to the continental rail network: Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Glasgow, Edinburgh.

    Answer:

    Everyone in London and SE: (a)
    Everyone else: (b)

    Andy, for crying out loud. It's about a 10 minute walk, with luggage. I've done it plenty of times. A few people being slightly inconvenienced vs. £700m and 10 years of disruption to local residents.

    Nolo contendere as antifrank would say.
    able bodied banker with good knowledge of London in doesn't mind a walk shock.

    I know my way around Copenhagen airport rather better.

    This weekend I realised how sad my life was - was stuck at O'Hare and end up discussing the layout of Copenhagen airport with a random stranger in the queue...

    It's still not worth £700m. If you're that worried about it get a cab.
    Personally Charles I doubt I'll ever use it, I generally try to avoid London . But if you're elderly, disabled or a visitor coming in from abroad, maybe London should try to make itself user friendly.
    Crivvens. You don't think London is user-friendly??? It is all too user-friendly, which is why it is the richest city in Europe, perhaps the most successful capital in the world, and about to exceed its peak population of 8.6m, which it first reached back in 1939.

    http://blogs.ft.com/ftdata/2013/07/17/london-population-set-to-break-historic-record-high/
    I spent today in London at the Supreme Court. We then went to the Garrick and then back to London City to fly back to civilisation.

    Anyone who does not recognise that, even before Crossrail, London has the most incredible and extensive public transport system pretty much anywhere in the world, and certainly in the UK, in my view needs their head examined. It is just brilliant. Full, hot, crowded but brilliant.

    In my village we have 2 buses an hour before 9am but then it seriously slows down and trying to live without 2 cars for a family would be a serious hardship. Today, admittedly in the centre, we did not wait more than 4 minutes for a tube or a DLR at any point. It's magic.

  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371

    Midlands manufacturing hits 16-year high

    http://www.birminghampost.co.uk/business/manufacturing/midlands-manufacturing-hits-16-year-high-6834726

    Just thinking about this,what the F was labour doing for 13 years.

    I assume you are that happy about this you keep linking to it....is that number two?
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Better Together ‏@UK_Together ·
    Join Eddie Izzard for a one-off special #indyref gig. Tickets available here: http://better.tg/1nyGusP pic.twitter.com/fccrqtsM5W

    lol

  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    Tim_B said:

    An interesting quandary for NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell.

    From his appointment he has been the 'law and order' commissioner, ruling the league with an iron will.

    Jim Irsay was arrested on Sunday night and faces 4 felony charges of driving while under the influence and possession of controlled substances - prescription drugs not prescribed to him and contents differing from the labels on the containers.

    The problem? Jim Irsay is the owner of the Indianapolis Colts, and one of the 32 NFL club owners who pay Goodell his $44million a year salary package. So Goodell has to discpiline one of his bosses.

    The next couple of days will be interesting to see what punishment comes down.

    I don't think he will. They'll do the same thing as with the Broncos front office DUIs and the team will impose its own punishment (or for the look of the thing Goodell will consult behind closed doors and announce something Irsay is happy with).
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    AndyJS said:

    FPT:

    Which of these is more important:

    (a) Camden Market and Boris's dad's house

    (b) A direct rail link potentially connecting the following cities to the continental rail network: Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Glasgow, Edinburgh.

    Answer:

    Everyone in London and SE: (a)
    Everyone else: (b)

    Andy, for crying out loud. It's about a 10 minute walk, with luggage. I've done it plenty of times. A few people being slightly inconvenienced vs. £700m and 10 years of disruption to local residents.

    Nolo contendere as antifrank would say.
    able bodied banker with good knowledge of London in doesn't mind a walk shock.

    I know my way around Copenhagen airport rather better.

    This weekend I realised how sad my life was - was stuck at O'Hare and end up discussing the layout of Copenhagen airport with a random stranger in the queue...

    It's still not worth £700m. If you're that worried about it get a cab.
    Personally Charles I doubt I'll ever use it, I generally try to avoid London . But if you're elderly, disabled or a visitor coming in from abroad, maybe London should try to make itself user friendly.
    Crivvens. You don't think London is user-friendly??? It is all too user-friendly, which is why it

    http://blogs.ft.com/ftdata/2013/07/17/london-population-set-to-break-historic-record-high/
    each to their own Sean, I think it's a shithole. Ripoff central. Mind you I think the same about Paris, they're two cities I just don't like.
    Sure. You're entitled to your opinion. I'm just pointing out that the entire world disagrees with you, which is why contemporary London is so ludicrously successful.

    For anyone interested in the spectacular growth of London, I recommend this thread on this forum, which constantly updates on new building projects.

    http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=315079

    As one of the forum's French contributors said recently, what is happening in London right now, is, arguably, unprecedented in human history: an ancient, complex and very important Western city is experiencing Shanghai-in-the-Noughties style growth, demographically AND architecturally.
    It will all die down again, London's growth won't go on for ever. Lots of people like to visit London, living there's a different thing. As you said before it's a city for the young and the rich personally I prefer living in the countryside. Bumpkin as some might say but it's more enjoyable.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    AndyJS said:

    FPT:

    Which of these is more important:

    (a) Camden Market and Boris's dad's house

    (b) A direct rail link potentially connecting the following cities to the continental rail network: Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Glasgow, Edinburgh.

    Answer:

    Everyone in London and SE: (a)
    Everyone else: (b)

    Andy, for crying out loud. It's about a 10 minute walk, with luggage. I've done it plenty of times. A few people being slightly inconvenienced vs. £700m and 10 years of disruption to local residents.

    Nolo contendere as antifrank would say.
    able bodied banker with good knowledge of London in doesn't mind a walk shock.

    I know my way around Copenhagen airport rather better.

    This weekend I realised how sad my life was - was stuck at O'Hare and end up discussing the layout of Copenhagen airport with a random stranger in the queue...

    It's still not worth £700m. If you're that worried about it get a cab.
    Personally Charles I doubt I'll ever use it, I generally try to avoid London . But if you're elderly, disabled or a visitor coming in from abroad, maybe London should try to make itself user friendly.
    Crivvens. You don't think London is user-friendly??? It is all too user-friendly, which is why it is the richest city in Europe, perhaps the most successful capital in the world, and about to exceed its peak population of 8.6m, which it first reached back in 1939.

    http://blogs.ft.com/ftdata/2013/07/17/london-population-set-to-break-historic-record-high/
    each to their own Sean, I think it's a shithole. Ripoff central. Mind you I think the same about Paris, they're two cities I just don't like.
    Sure. You're entitled to your opinion. I'm just pointing out that the entire world disagrees with you, which is why contemporary London is so ludicrously successful.

    For anyone interested in the spectacular growth of London, I recommend this thread on this forum, which constantly updates on new building projects.

    http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=315079

    As one of the forum's French contributors said recently, what is happening in London right now, is, arguably, unprecedented in human history: an ancient, complex and very important Western city is experiencing Shanghai-in-the-Noughties style growth, demographically AND architecturally.
    SeanT, although I personally dislike London, I have to agree with you on this. It's just not my kind of town.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Eddie Izzard: Scotland, Please Don't Go

    http://www.edtheatres.com/eddieizzard

    Should be good for another few points on the yes camp ;-)
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514

    Eddie Izzard: Scotland, Please Don't Go

    http://www.edtheatres.com/eddieizzard

    Should be good for another few points on the yes camp ;-)

    Jeez why did they have to wheel that arse out ?
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    Tim_B said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    AndyJS said:

    FPT:

    Which of these is more important:

    (a) Camden Market and Boris's dad's house

    (b) A direct rail link potentially connecting the following cities to the continental rail network: Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Glasgow, Edinburgh.

    Answer:

    Everyone in London and SE: (a)
    Everyone else: (b)

    Andy, for crying out loud. It's about a 10 minute walk, with luggage. I've done it plenty of times. A few people being slightly inconvenienced vs. £700m and 10 years of disruption to local residents.

    Nolo contendere as antifrank would say.
    able bodied banker with good knowledge of London in doesn't mind a walk shock.

    I know my way around Copenhagen airport rather better.

    This weekend I realised how sad my life was - was stuck at O'Hare and end up discussing the layout of Copenhagen airport with a random stranger in the queue...

    It's still not worth £700m. If you're that worried about it get a cab.
    Personally Charles I doubt I'll ever use it, I generally try to avoid London . But if you're elderly, disabled or a visitor coming in from abroad, maybe London should try to make itself user friendly.
    Crivvens. You don't think London is user-friendly??? It is all too user-friendly, which is why it is the richest city in Europe, perhaps the most successful capital in the world, and about to exceed its peak population of 8.6m, which it first reached back in 1939.

    http://blogs.ft.com/ftdata/2013/07/17/london-population-set-to-break-historic-record-high/
    each to their own Sean, I think it's a shithole. Ripoff central. Mind you I think the same about Paris, they're two cities I just don't like.
    Sure. You're entitled to your opinion. I'm just pointing out that the entire world disagrees with you, which is why contemporary London is so ludicrously successful.

    For anyone interested in the spectacular growth of London, I recommend this thread on this forum, which constantly updates on new building projects.

    http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=315079

    As one of the forum's French contributors said recently, what is happening in London right now, is, arguably, unprecedented in human history: an ancient, complex and very important Western city is experiencing Shanghai-in-the-Noughties style growth, demographically AND architecturally.
    SeanT, although I personally dislike London, I have to agree with you on this. It's just not my kind of town.
    Don't you live in Atlanta??
  • glwglw Posts: 9,954

    closer to home why not try the M25 three lanes when built. That went well.

    The M25 was being planned long before anyone would have considered multi-car families and longish commutes normal. I think you would have had a hard time persuading people even more capacity was needed back then.

    I don't really blame planners or engineers for misestimating future needs, what's wrong is not satisfying today's demand and needs to save a few hundred million quid.

    That said when the ONS forecast that we'll have a UK population of 70 million by 2027 that means we need 7 Birminghams worth of infrastructure. No party is even close to proposing that level of investment and construction. If the population does rise that quickly we are going to face a lot of problems across many sectors.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Midlands manufacturing hits 16-year high

    http://www.birminghampost.co.uk/business/manufacturing/midlands-manufacturing-hits-16-year-high-6834726

    Just thinking about this,what the F was labour doing for 13 years.

    I assume you are that happy about this you keep linking to it....is that number two?
    Mirror mirror on the wall - lol

    Midlands manufacturing hits 16-year high

    http://www.birminghampost.co.uk/business/manufacturing/midlands-manufacturing-hits-16-year-high-6834726

    No 3 times,it must hurt- lol
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    antifrank said:

    Sun Politics ‏@Sun_Politics · 2 mins
    Govt announce £2k childcare tax break for working parents: http://bit.ly/1nz97G6

    That would be extremely unsurprising. It's just about the perfect tax cut at present.
    I don't see how it's any different from the existing tax break on childcare vouchers? Also, if it is more, why not just restore CB rather than creating yet another system?
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    AndyJS said:

    FPT:

    Which of these is more important:

    (a) Camden Market and Boris's dad's house

    (b) A direct rail link potentially connecting the following cities to the continental rail network: Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Glasgow, Edinburgh.

    Answer:

    Everyone in London and SE: (a)
    Everyone else: (b)

    Andy, for crying out loud. It's about a 10 minute walk, with luggage. I've done it plenty of times. A few people being slightly inconvenienced vs. £700m and 10 years of disruption to local residents.

    Nolo contendere as antifrank would say.
    able bodied banker with good knowledge of London in doesn't mind a walk shock.

    I know my way around Copenhagen airport rather better.

    This weekend I realised how sad my life was - was stuck at O'Hare and end up discussing the layout of Copenhagen airport with a random stranger in the queue...

    It's still not worth £700m. If you're that worried about it get a cab.
    Personally Charles I doubt I'll ever use it, I generally try to avoid London . But if you're elderly, disabled or a visitor coming in from abroad, maybe London should try to make itself user friendly.
    Crivvens. You don't think London is user-friendly??? It is all too user-friendly, which is why it

    http://blogs.ft.com/ftdata/2013/07/17/london-population-set-to-break-historic-record-high/
    each to their own Sean, I think it's a shithole. Ripoff central. Mind you I think the same about Paris, they're two cities I just don't like.
    Sure. You're entitled to your opinion. I'm just pointing out that the entire world disagrees with you, which is why contemporary London is so ludicrously successful.

    For anyone interested in the spectacular growth of London, I recommend this thread on this forum, which constantly updates on new building projects.

    http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=315079

    As one of the forum's French contributors said recently, what is happening in London right now, is, arguably, unprecedented in human history: an ancient, complex and very important Western city is experiencing Shanghai-in-the-Noughties style growth, demographically AND architecturally.
    It will all die down again, London's growth won't go on for ever. Lots of people like to visit London, living there's a different thing. As you said before it's a city for the young and the rich personally I prefer living in the countryside. Bumpkin as some might say but it's more enjoyable.
    You need both.

  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    I am going to enjoy the summer very much, thank you for your interest.

    I am quite looking forward to the Euros and next years campaign, when the phoney war is over.

    The Gove tiff is like Gove vs Bojo a few weeks ago. It is just chaff to keep the hacks occupied while Osborne prepares his budget.
    Mick_Pork said:

    This is just a minor tiff.

    You've got that right at least. You're really going to enjoy the summer along with Cammie, Clegg and the incompetent fops. So much 'exciting' news can happen then.

    LOL

    :)




  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    @Antifrank

    That all said, I don't have a Sun sub so can only read the first few lines...
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371

    Midlands manufacturing hits 16-year high

    http://www.birminghampost.co.uk/business/manufacturing/midlands-manufacturing-hits-16-year-high-6834726

    Just thinking about this,what the F was labour doing for 13 years.

    I assume you are that happy about this you keep linking to it....is that number two?
    Mirror mirror on the wall - lol

    Midlands manufacturing hits 16-year high

    http://www.birminghampost.co.uk/business/manufacturing/midlands-manufacturing-hits-16-year-high-6834726

    No 3 times,it must hurt- lol
    Will be good for Ed when he walks into Number 10 in May 2015.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,149

    Eddie Izzard: Scotland, Please Don't Go

    http://www.edtheatres.com/eddieizzard

    Should be good for another few points on the yes camp ;-)

    Jeez why did they have to wheel that arse out ?
    Hopefully he'll get his dear friend Gordon Brown on stage to give us 'that' smile.

  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    Eddie Izzard: Scotland, Please Don't Go

    http://www.edtheatres.com/eddieizzard

    Should be good for another few points on the yes camp ;-)

    Jeez why did they have to wheel that arse out ?
    To make Gordon Brown look good?

  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    corporeal said:

    Tim_B said:

    An interesting quandary for NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell.

    From his appointment he has been the 'law and order' commissioner, ruling the league with an iron will.

    Jim Irsay was arrested on Sunday night and faces 4 felony charges of driving while under the influence and possession of controlled substances - prescription drugs not prescribed to him and contents differing from the labels on the containers.

    The problem? Jim Irsay is the owner of the Indianapolis Colts, and one of the 32 NFL club owners who pay Goodell his $44million a year salary package. So Goodell has to discpiline one of his bosses.

    The next couple of days will be interesting to see what punishment comes down.

    I don't think he will. They'll do the same thing as with the Broncos front office DUIs and the team will impose its own punishment (or for the look of the thing Goodell will consult behind closed doors and announce something Irsay is happy with).
    The NFL commissioner gets £44m pa? What does he do?
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    glw said:

    closer to home why not try the M25 three lanes when built. That went well.

    The M25 was being planned long before anyone would have considered multi-car families and longish commutes normal. I think you would have had a hard time persuading people even more capacity was needed back then.

    I don't really blame planners or engineers for misestimating future needs, what's wrong is not satisfying today's demand and needs to save a few hundred million quid.

    That said when the ONS forecast that we'll have a UK population of 70 million by 2027 that means we need 7 Birminghams worth of infrastructure. No party is even close to proposing that level of investment and construction. If the population does rise that quickly we are going to face a lot of problems across many sectors.
    Different countries do different things, In Germany motorways were built with sufficient space to expand if the needs arise. Buying the extra land doesn't cost much and the disruption is minimised if expansion is needed. No lenghty lawsuits.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    corporeal said:

    Tim_B said:

    An interesting quandary for NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell.

    From his appointment he has been the 'law and order' commissioner, ruling the league with an iron will.

    Jim Irsay was arrested on Sunday night and faces 4 felony charges of driving while under the influence and possession of controlled substances - prescription drugs not prescribed to him and contents differing from the labels on the containers.

    The problem? Jim Irsay is the owner of the Indianapolis Colts, and one of the 32 NFL club owners who pay Goodell his $44million a year salary package. So Goodell has to discpiline one of his bosses.

    The next couple of days will be interesting to see what punishment comes down.

    I don't think he will. They'll do the same thing as with the Broncos front office DUIs and the team will impose its own punishment (or for the look of the thing Goodell will consult behind closed doors and announce something Irsay is happy with).
    I'm not so sure - they were team employees, Irsay is an owner, and a high profile one at that. He has had a drug problem for years.

    Goodell suspended Detroit Lions President Tom Lewand for 30 days and fined him $100k a few years ago for a DUI..

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2014/03/17/jim-irsay-arrest-drug-addiction-fighting-for-life/6528017/

    http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2014/03/17/irsays-are-could-lead-to-discipline-by-nfl-commissioner/6525033/
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    If the Conservatives replace Mr Cameron before the 2015 general election, does the new leader of the Conservative Party automatically become PM, or would there need to be a vote in parliament?
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Mike Smithson ‏@MSmithsonPB 36m
    LAB led up to 8% in latest YouGob/Sun poll
    CON 32
    LAB 40
    LD 9
    UKIP 11

    YouGov's daily, getting a bit more erratic than usual. No crossover here, must be the millipede magic working. ROFL ;)
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    SeanT said:

    Alanbrooke:

    "It will all die down again, London's growth won't go on for ever. Lots of people like to visit London, living there's a different thing. As you said before it's a city for the young and the rich personally I prefer living in the countryside. Bumpkin as some might say but it's more enjoyable."



    But of course. Nineveh and Tyre, and all that. And in the long run, we are all dead, as Keynes said. Indeed in the long run the entire universe is doomed to die of entropic failure, as competing universes within the multiverse emerge... blah de blah.

    But we're not here to talk about the long run. This is a politics blog. So we talk about the Now. And right now London is BOOMING.

    Also, Camden Rocks. I used to have the same attitude that others on here have expressed - Camden Town and the Market are cheap tourist traps, it is dirty and grotty etc.

    In fact, this isn't true. The entire Camden area from the beautifully restored Roundhouse (now a magnificent venue)

    http://www.guyavalon.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Roundhouse-Supporting-DJ-950x712.jpg

    to the gorgeous locks and stables

    http://travelwithkat.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Camden-Lock-700x468.jpg

    is a unique marriage of industrial Victoriana with youth culture hipness. It is so successful and thriving they have to shut half the Tube Station at weekends, as it gets so crowded, as the millions of kids pour in to join the party, all races and faces, all languages and genders. All spending money.

    Seriously. I recommend a visit on a sunny weekend. Mind blowing.

    It can be good, at the Locks end, although the official market on the high street is shit.
    Perhaps we should build a stop on HS2 so more people can get to see it?
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    Tyke - Your man to watch on Election night. We can both have a little cheer together when his victory is announced.

    http://andysawford.wordpress.com/

    Don't take it out on the Stuey bedsheets ;-)
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Midlands manufacturing hits 16-year high

    http://www.birminghampost.co.uk/business/manufacturing/midlands-manufacturing-hits-16-year-high-6834726

    Just thinking about this,what the F was labour doing for 13 years.

    I assume you are that happy about this you keep linking to it....is that number two?
    Mirror mirror on the wall - lol

    Midlands manufacturing hits 16-year high

    http://www.birminghampost.co.uk/business/manufacturing/midlands-manufacturing-hits-16-year-high-6834726

    No 3 times,it must hurt- lol
    Will be good for Ed when he walks into Number 10 in May 2015.
    Your proberly right.

    A labour government would be good for me and my family but I'm thinking of the bigger picture,our country.

    See if you still on here when 2 to 3 years in on a labour Government.

  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    AveryLP said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    AndyJS said:

    FPT:

    Which of these is more important:

    (a) Camden Market and Boris's dad's house

    (b) A direct rail link potentially connecting the following cities to the continental rail network: Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Glasgow, Edinburgh.

    Answer:

    Everyone in London and SE: (a)
    Everyone else: (b)

    Andy, for crying out loud. It's about a 10 minute walk, with luggage. I've done it plenty of antifrank would say.
    able bodied banker with good knowledge of London in doesn't mind a walk shock.

    I know my way around Copenhagen airport rather better.

    This weekend I realised how sad my life was - was stuck at O'Hare and end up discussing the layout of Copenhagen airport with a random stranger in the queue...

    It's still not worth £700m. If you're that worried about it get a cab.
    Personally Charles I doubt I'll ever use it, I generally try to avoid London . But if you're elderly, disabled or a visitor coming in from abroad, maybe London should try to make itself user friendly.
    Crivvens. You don't think London is user-friendly??? It is all too user-friendly, which is why it

    http://blogs.ft.com/ftdata/2013/07/17/london-population-set-to-break-historic-record-high/
    each to their own Sean, I think it's a shithole. Ripoff central. Mind you I think the same about Paris, they're two cities I just don't like.
    Sure. You're entitled to your opinion. I'm just pointing out that the entire world disagrees with you, which is why contemporary London is so ludicrously successful.

    For anyone interested in the spectacular growth of London, I recommend this thread on this forum, which constantly updates on new building projects.

    http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=315079

    As one of the forum's French contributors said recently, what is happening in London right now, is, arguably, unprecedented in human history: an ancient, complex and very important Western city is experiencing Shanghai-in-the-Noughties style growth, demographically AND architecturally.
    It will all die down again,y for the young and the rich personally I prefer living in the countryside. Bumpkin as some might say but it's more enjoyable.
    You need both.

    Good grief Mr Pole, a sensible comment. It's the same for the Conservative party to win an election it needs the bumpkins and the slickers. Which since it hasn't got them is why it won't win a majority.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,149
    Look away now, PB Unionists.

    Tim Montgomerie ‏@TimMontgomerie 45 mins
    Bad news for UK: AV-Euro-and-Brown supporting @EddieIzzard comes to aid of @UK_Together campaign https://twitter.com/eddieizzard/status/445683589544689665
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371

    Midlands manufacturing hits 16-year high

    http://www.birminghampost.co.uk/business/manufacturing/midlands-manufacturing-hits-16-year-high-6834726

    Just thinking about this,what the F was labour doing for 13 years.

    I assume you are that happy about this you keep linking to it....is that number two?
    Mirror mirror on the wall - lol

    Midlands manufacturing hits 16-year high

    http://www.birminghampost.co.uk/business/manufacturing/midlands-manufacturing-hits-16-year-high-6834726

    No 3 times,it must hurt- lol
    Will be good for Ed when he walks into Number 10 in May 2015.
    Your proberly right.

    A labour government would be good for me and my family but I'm thinking of the bigger picture,our country.

    See if you still on here when 2 to 3 years in on a labour Government.

    Can't wait :-)
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    MikeK said:

    Mike Smithson ‏@MSmithsonPB 36m
    LAB led up to 8% in latest YouGob/Sun poll
    CON 32
    LAB 40
    LD 9
    UKIP

    What's YouGob, some sort of mouthy new pollster?
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    BobaFett said:

    corporeal said:

    Tim_B said:

    An interesting quandary for NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell.

    From his appointment he has been the 'law and order' commissioner, ruling the league with an iron will.

    Jim Irsay was arrested on Sunday night and faces 4 felony charges of driving while under the influence and possession of controlled substances - prescription drugs not prescribed to him and contents differing from the labels on the containers.

    The problem? Jim Irsay is the owner of the Indianapolis Colts, and one of the 32 NFL club owners who pay Goodell his $44million a year salary package. So Goodell has to discpiline one of his bosses.

    The next couple of days will be interesting to see what punishment comes down.

    I don't think he will. They'll do the same thing as with the Broncos front office DUIs and the team will impose its own punishment (or for the look of the thing Goodell will consult behind closed doors and announce something Irsay is happy with).
    The NFL commissioner gets £44m pa? What does he do?
    Roughly speaking I think he's the CEO-equivalent. (TimB may correct me here). NFL's current annual revenue is ~$10billion
  • perdixperdix Posts: 1,806

    glw said:

    closer to home why not try the M25 three lanes when built. That went well.

    The M25 was being planned long before anyone would have considered multi-car families and longish commutes normal. I think you would have had a hard time persuading people even more capacity was needed back then.

    I don't really blame planners or engineers for misestimating future needs, what's wrong is not satisfying today's demand and needs to save a few hundred million quid.

    That said when the ONS forecast that we'll have a UK population of 70 million by 2027 that means we need 7 Birminghams worth of infrastructure. No party is even close to proposing that level of investment and construction. If the population does rise that quickly we are going to face a lot of problems across many sectors.
    Different countries do different things, In Germany motorways were built with sufficient space to expand if the needs arise. Buying the extra land doesn't cost much and the disruption is minimised if expansion is needed. No lenghty lawsuits.
    German railways were originally built with the objective to be able to move troops around quickly. I suspect the autobahn system had the same objective.

  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Tyke - Your man to watch on Election night. We can both have a little cheer together when his victory is announced.

    http://andysawford.wordpress.com/

    Don't take it out on the Stuey bedsheets ;-)

    You mean I after support this laughing stock - lol

    Free Coffee for Labour’s Mr Bean

    http://order-order.com/2014/03/17/free-coffee-for-labours-mr-bean/

  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815

    AveryLP said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    AndyJS said:

    FPT:

    ...

    Andy, for crying out loud. It's about a 10 minute walk, with luggage. I've done it plenty of antifrank would say.
    able bodied banker with good knowledge of London in doesn't mind a walk shock.

    I know my way around Copenhagen airport rather better.

    This weekend I realised how sad my life was - was stuck at O'Hare and end up discussing the layout of Copenhagen airport with a random stranger in the queue...

    It's still not worth £700m. If you're that worried about it get a cab.
    Personally Charles I doubt I'll ever use it, I generally try to avoid London . But if you're elderly, disabled or a visitor coming in from abroad, maybe London should try to make itself user friendly.
    Crivvens. You don't think London is user-friendly??? It is all too user-friendly, which is why it

    http://blogs.ft.com/ftdata/2013/07/17/london-population-set-to-break-historic-record-high/
    each to their own Sean, I think it's a shithole. Ripoff central. Mind you I think the same about Paris, they're two cities I just don't like.
    Sure. You're entitled to your opinion. I'm just pointing out that the entire world disagrees with you, which is why contemporary London is so ludicrously successful.

    For anyone interested in the spectacular growth of London, I recommend this thread on this forum, which constantly updates on new building projects.

    http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=315079

    As one of the forum's French contributors said recently, what is happening in London right now, is, arguably, unprecedented in human history: an ancient, complex and very important Western city is experiencing Shanghai-in-the-Noughties style growth, demographically AND architecturally.
    It will all die down again,y for the young and the rich personally I prefer living in the countryside. Bumpkin as some might say but it's more enjoyable.
    You need both.

    Good grief Mr Pole, a sensible comment. It's the same for the Conservative party to win an election it needs the bumpkins and the slickers. Which since it hasn't got them is why it won't win a majority.
    It will take time.

    Wouldn't complain if the current coalition continued.

  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    BobaFett said:

    corporeal said:

    Tim_B said:

    An interesting quandary for NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell.

    From his appointment he has been the 'law and order' commissioner, ruling the league with an iron will.

    Jim Irsay was arrested on Sunday night and faces 4 felony charges of driving while under the influence and possession of controlled substances - prescription drugs not prescribed to him and contents differing from the labels on the containers.

    The problem? Jim Irsay is the owner of the Indianapolis Colts, and one of the 32 NFL club owners who pay Goodell his $44million a year salary package. So Goodell has to discpiline one of his bosses.

    The next couple of days will be interesting to see what punishment comes down.

    I don't think he will. They'll do the same thing as with the Broncos front office DUIs and the team will impose its own punishment (or for the look of the thing Goodell will consult behind closed doors and announce something Irsay is happy with).
    The NFL commissioner gets £44m pa? What does he do?
    He might eventually get that, but presently he gets $44m a year.

    The short answer is that he grows the league as a business, helps negotiate TV contracts, works with the owners on expansion, marketing, PR, rule changes etc, and is head enforcer on league disciplne. There's much more but that's a start.

    Goodell is the person behind the 4 regular season games in London each year, the plan to have a London NFL franchise and to have a superbowl there. Whether it will happen is open to doubt, but as a business the NFL is a juggernaut. Goodell is part of the reason why it is so.
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371

    Tyke - Your man to watch on Election night. We can both have a little cheer together when his victory is announced.

    http://andysawford.wordpress.com/

    Don't take it out on the Stuey bedsheets ;-)

    You mean I after support this laughing stock - lol

    Free Coffee for Labour’s Mr Bean

    http://order-order.com/2014/03/17/free-coffee-for-labours-mr-bean/

    Just as his victory is announced we can both smile knowing we both have a little personal piece of happiness on the way to the Labour majority. You may be lucky, his win could be the one that takes Ed into Number 10.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,668
    There's a lot more to Camden than Camden Town. All the way down to Covent Garden in the south and up to Hampstead in the north. A wonderful part of the world. If you're in Camden Market, though, take a little detour down Malden Road and go to the Fiddlers Elbow pub. My sister runs it.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    edited March 2014

    Tyke - Your man to watch on Election night. We can both have a little cheer together when his victory is announced.

    http://andysawford.wordpress.com/

    Don't take it out on the Stuey bedsheets ;-)

    You mean I after support this laughing stock - lol

    Free Coffee for Labour’s Mr Bean

    http://order-order.com/2014/03/17/free-coffee-for-labours-mr-bean/

    Just as his victory is announced we can both smile knowing we both have a little personal piece of happiness on the way to the Labour majority. You may be lucky, his win could be the one that takes Ed into Number 10.
    Mr compouter,your sounding overconfident and we know what that means to the labour party - lol


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROKXlvYMKQc

  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,668
    Reservoir levels in Severn Trent region at their lowest levels since January - just 96.2% of capacity. Drought approaches.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,834

    Charles said:

    BobaFett said:

    Charles said:

    AndyJS said:

    FPT:

    Which of these is more important:

    (a) Camden Market and Boris's dad's house

    (b) A direct rail link potentially connecting the following cities to the continental rail network: Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Glasgow, Edinburgh.

    Answer:

    Everyone in London and SE: (a)
    Everyone else: (b)

    Andy, for crying out loud. It's about a 10 minute walk, with luggage. I've done it plenty of times. A few people being slightly inconvenienced vs. £700m and 10 years of disruption to local residents.

    Nolo contendere as antifrank would say.
    I wonder what the reaction would be if Londoners had a "10 minute" change at Ebsfleet to get to Paris.

    And it's not a 10 minute transfer - unless you are advocating no contingency time between trains? In reality it will add 15-30 minutes to the journey, and lots of hassle.
    I don't worry that much that I have to transit from Gare de Nord to Gare de Lyon when I'm going to Nice.
    Bravo Charles. Someone else who travels in a civilised fashion.

    Indeed. Though the transfer across any city like that's a little irritating. (I make an exception for Moscow, simply because of the experience of the beautiful underground stations).
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371

    Tyke - Your man to watch on Election night. We can both have a little cheer together when his victory is announced.

    http://andysawford.wordpress.com/

    Don't take it out on the Stuey bedsheets ;-)

    You mean I after support this laughing stock - lol

    Free Coffee for Labour’s Mr Bean

    http://order-order.com/2014/03/17/free-coffee-for-labours-mr-bean/

    Just as his victory is announced we can both smile knowing we both have a little personal piece of happiness on the way to the Labour majority. You may be lucky, his win could be the one that takes Ed into Number 10.
    Mr compouter,your sounding overconfident and we know what that means to the labour party - lol


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROKXlvYMKQc

    Confidence thanks to the balance tipped in the Labour Party favour. LD to Labour crossovers (crossovers that actually happen) and FPTP....and Blue on Blue incoming recently is a pleasant fillip.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    corporeal said:

    BobaFett said:

    corporeal said:

    Tim_B said:

    An interesting quandary for NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell.

    From his appointment he has been the 'law and order' commissioner, ruling the league with an iron will.

    Jim Irsay was arrested on Sunday night and faces 4 felony charges of driving while under the influence and possession of controlled substances - prescription drugs not prescribed to him and contents differing from the labels on the containers.

    The problem? Jim Irsay is the owner of the Indianapolis Colts, and one of the 32 NFL club owners who pay Goodell his $44million a year salary package. So Goodell has to discpiline one of his bosses.

    The next couple of days will be interesting to see what punishment comes down.

    I don't think he will. They'll do the same thing as with the Broncos front office DUIs and the team will impose its own punishment (or for the look of the thing Goodell will consult behind closed doors and announce something Irsay is happy with).
    The NFL commissioner gets £44m pa? What does he do?
    Roughly speaking I think he's the CEO-equivalent. (TimB may correct me here). NFL's current annual revenue is ~$10billion
    You sum it up better than I did - he is essentially a CEO who reports to 32 equal shareholders.

    Just how much of a juggernaut is it? How about 3 times the revenue of the Premier League?

    A coupe of tasters....

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/monteburke/2013/08/17/how-the-national-football-league-can-reach-25-billion-in-annual-revenues/

    http://money.cnn.com/2013/02/01/news/companies/nfl-money-super-bowl/
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Sun Politics ‏@Sun_Politics · 8 mins
    .@eddieizzard writes... I want Wales and England to help me tell Scotland 'Please don't go' http://bit.ly/1d87Lhd #indyref

    Christ,can someone shut this guy up for the sake of the union - lol
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    Wonder if Eddie is going to serenade them?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60fqp2rLUR4
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,710
    You've got to hand it to Ozzy and his spinners. This notion of Osborne as a sort latter-day Tory Robin Hood is gaining currency:

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jameskirkup/100263987/building-houses-cutting-tax-george-osborne-not-cameron-is-the-true-tory-moderniser/

    If this carries on George will be getting glowing reviews in The Mirror.
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371

    You've got to hand it to Ozzy and his spinners. This notion of Osborne as a sort latter-day Tory Robin Hood is gaining currency:

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jameskirkup/100263987/building-houses-cutting-tax-george-osborne-not-cameron-is-the-true-tory-moderniser/

    If this carries on George will be getting glowing reviews in The Mirror.

    I wouldn't hold my breathe.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Tyke - Your man to watch on Election night. We can both have a little cheer together when his victory is announced.

    http://andysawford.wordpress.com/

    Don't take it out on the Stuey bedsheets ;-)

    You mean I after support this laughing stock - lol

    Free Coffee for Labour’s Mr Bean

    http://order-order.com/2014/03/17/free-coffee-for-labours-mr-bean/

    Just as his victory is announced we can both smile knowing we both have a little personal piece of happiness on the way to the Labour majority. You may be lucky, his win could be the one that takes Ed into Number 10.
    Mr compouter,your sounding overconfident and we know what that means to the labour party - lol


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROKXlvYMKQc

    Confidence thanks to the balance tipped in the Labour Party favour. LD to Labour crossovers (crossovers that actually happen) and FPTP....and Blue on Blue incoming recently is a pleasant fillip.
    You never know,still time for Theresa may leadership. ;-)
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    edited March 2014

    Tyke - Your man to watch on Election night. We can both have a little cheer together when his victory is announced.

    http://andysawford.wordpress.com/

    Don't take it out on the Stuey bedsheets ;-)

    You mean I after support this laughing stock - lol

    Free Coffee for Labour’s Mr Bean

    http://order-order.com/2014/03/17/free-coffee-for-labours-mr-bean/

    Just as his victory is announced we can both smile knowing we both have a little personal piece of happiness on the way to the Labour majority. You may be lucky, his win could be the one that takes Ed into Number 10.
    Mr compouter,your sounding overconfident and we know what that means to the labour party - lol


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROKXlvYMKQc

    Confidence thanks to the balance tipped in the Labour Party favour. LD to Labour crossovers (crossovers that actually happen) and FPTP....and Blue on Blue incoming recently is a pleasant fillip.
    You never know,still time for Theresa may leadership. ;-)
    I couldn't handle a Team May, I struggle to keep up with who is stabbing who in the Tory party with what we have at the moment.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,668
    SeanT said:

    There's a lot more to Camden than Camden Town. All the way down to Covent Garden in the south and up to Hampstead in the north. A wonderful part of the world. If you're in Camden Market, though, take a little detour down Malden Road and go to the Fiddlers Elbow pub. My sister runs it.

    Will a mention of her brother earn me a free G&T? I will remind her that I have always been your best friend on pb, and stoutly defended you from random, hateful rightwing insults.

    Not sure they do a decent G&T there. It's more of a music venue:

    http://www.thefiddlerselbow.co.uk/mobi_home.php

    I'd never ask my sis for free drinks. She's got a business to run!

  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Tyke - Your man to watch on Election night. We can both have a little cheer together when his victory is announced.

    http://andysawford.wordpress.com/

    Don't take it out on the Stuey bedsheets ;-)

    You mean I after support this laughing stock - lol

    Free Coffee for Labour’s Mr Bean

    http://order-order.com/2014/03/17/free-coffee-for-labours-mr-bean/

    Just as his victory is announced we can both smile knowing we both have a little personal piece of happiness on the way to the Labour majority. You may be lucky, his win could be the one that takes Ed into Number 10.
    Mr compouter,your sounding overconfident and we know what that means to the labour party - lol


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROKXlvYMKQc

    Confidence thanks to the balance tipped in the Labour Party favour. LD to Labour crossovers (crossovers that actually happen) and FPTP....and Blue on Blue incoming recently is a pleasant fillip.
    You never know,still time for Theresa may leadership. ;-)
    I couldn't handle a Team May, I struggle to keep up with who is stabbing who in the Tory party with what we have at the moment.
    lol

  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    For who have logged on and wondering why there is so little discussion about tonights Yougov poll.....look, squirrel.

    Night All!
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    BobaFett said:

    MikeK said:

    Mike Smithson ‏@MSmithsonPB 36m
    LAB led up to 8% in latest YouGob/Sun poll
    CON 32
    LAB 40
    LD 9
    UKIP

    What's YouGob, some sort of mouthy new pollster?
    Thats OCH's twitter spelling. Nothing to do with me. Take it up with him if you so wish.
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    MikeK said:

    BobaFett said:

    MikeK said:

    Mike Smithson ‏@MSmithsonPB 36m
    LAB led up to 8% in latest YouGob/Sun poll
    CON 32
    LAB 40
    LD 9
    UKIP

    What's YouGob, some sort of mouthy new pollster?
    Thats OCH's twitter spelling. Nothing to do with me. Take it up with him if you so wish.
    OCH?
  • LennonLennon Posts: 1,782
    Not seen @TSE for a couple of days - did he not make it back out of Old Trafford on Sunday?
  • I would have thought the referendums in Gibraltar and the Falklands would be a better parallel with the one in Crimea.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,624

    London sucks all the money out of the rest of the country. Look at the state of most of the provincial cities these days.

    Not even Londoners can afford to live there now, so it's just the playground of the world's rich with a few well off MPs and media types mixed in. Which probably explains why the UKs major cities are being told to get stuffed to save that crappy little market.

    Yes, apparently people in other cities are actually focred to send money to Russian oligarchs, so that Londoners can be 'forced out' of London.

    You have no right to live anywhere. And you have the right to live anywhere.

    Your budget is the only constraint. It is rationing by price, the fundamental principle of capitalism. Successful thriller writers can lie in Primrose Hill; Russian oligarchs can live in Kensington; American investment bankers can live in Knightsbridge; and French footballers can live in Hampstead.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,624

    There's a lot more to Camden than Camden Town. All the way down to Covent Garden in the south and up to Hampstead in the north. A wonderful part of the world. If you're in Camden Market, though, take a little detour down Malden Road and go to the Fiddlers Elbow pub. My sister runs it.

    Although in Hampstead, the natives are restless...
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    edited March 2014
    Lennon said:

    Not seen @TSE for a couple of days - did he not make it back out of Old Trafford on Sunday?

    I believe he was caught between Liverpool related elation, and England related disappointment, and is still trying to resolve the emotions.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    SeanT said:

    perdix said:

    glw said:

    closer to home why not try the M25 three lanes when built. That went well.


    Different countries do different things, In Germany motorways were built with sufficient space to expand if the needs arise. Buying the extra land doesn't cost much and the disruption is minimised if expansion is needed. No lenghty lawsuits.
    German railways were originally built with the objective to be able to move troops around quickly. I suspect the autobahn system had the same objective.

    It's also total bollocks that German autobahns were built with "sufficient space". Plenty of the older ones have two narrow bumpy lanes and are a nightmare, especially with a Merc doing 200mph right behind you.

    I speak from experience. And I am right:#


    http://meliara.hubpages.com/hub/Driving-on-the-infamous-autobahn
    Again - I have to agree. In the mid 80s I spent a month with Siemens in Munich, sent by my US company. I rented a nice big BMW one weekend and on handing me the keys, the agent said "Remember - the Porsche is always faster than you."

    In those days all the autobahns were unlimited, which I understand is not the case today. I suspect the surfaces were better too.

    It was a quiet early weekend morning when I felt comfortable cranking it up, and was doing about 170mph when I saw headlights flash way back in the distance in my rear view mirror. I immediately indicated and pulled into the inside lane, full of trucks, just in time as the vehicle flashed past and disappeared into the distance. Things happen quickly at 170mph.

    I have driven at 200mph (or 193 to be precise). For my birthday one year I was given a certificate to one of the 'driving schools' they have at major Nascar tracks like Charlotte, Atlanta or Talladega.

    After the form signings, breathalyzer, classroom session, safety briefing, and several slow speed laps, I was allowed to go for it. It was like taking my driving test again, with my instructor sitting beside me.

    As the speedo climbed over 150, 155, 160....my instructor was getting visibly and audibly nervous.

    It got to the point that the car wouldn't accelerate any more, so they set the speed trap and I did 193.

    The surface of a Nascar track I suspect is much rougher than an autobahn. When it rains the water flows between the concrete bed and the tar macadam on the banked corners!

    I told my instructor it felt like racing at Brooklands. It was wasted on him as he'd never heard of it.
  • Lennon said:

    Not seen @TSE for a couple of days - did he not make it back out of Old Trafford on Sunday?

    I made it out of Old Trafford.

    All us Liverpool fans are daring to dream that dream.

    No, not the dream about the title. The dream is that Manchester United allow David Moyes to serve out the entirety of his six year contract.

    Today's been a bit hectic, hence no nighthawks.

    But this is the big political news of the day.

    MP candidate Bez prepares to join anti-fracking protest camp at Barton Moss

    The Happy Mondays dancer plans to stand in Salford and Eccles at the next election

    http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/mp-candidate-bez-prepares-join-6837324
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,668
    The autobahns are still unlimited speeds aren't they? If not I did a lot of lawbreaking on my most recent trip. I thought you could drive as fast as you like except in areas with a signposted, designated speed.
  • corporeal said:

    Lennon said:

    Not seen @TSE for a couple of days - did he not make it back out of Old Trafford on Sunday?

    I believe he was caught between Liverpool related elation, and England related disappointed, and is still trying to resolve the emotions.
    I'm still recovering from the bizarre situation of cheering for the fromage alimentaires singes capitulards this weekend.

    As a proud Englishman, it was all kinds of wrong.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited March 2014

    The autobahns are still unlimited speeds aren't they? If not I did a lot of lawbreaking on my most recent trip. I thought you could drive as fast as you like except in areas with a signposted, designated speed.

    I don't have first hand knowledge, not having been there in 30 years, but my impression from friends who have been is that there are an ever increasing number of speed limited lengths of autobahn.

    If that is incorrect I'm pleased to hear it!
  • NinoinozNinoinoz Posts: 1,312
    BobaFett said:

    MikeK said:

    Mike Smithson ‏@MSmithsonPB 36m
    LAB led up to 8% in latest YouGob/Sun poll
    CON 32
    LAB 40
    LD 9
    UKIP

    What's YouGob, some sort of mouthy new pollster?
    All that Russia/Ukraine coverage has got has got OGH's brain scrambled - Cyrillic alphabet and all that.

    Some Ukippers call YouGov EuGov because of Kellner's wife and its harsh weighting of of their party.
  • On topic, I found it interesting that Michael Gove made his comment on the anniversary of The Ides of March.

    Now is Gove the latter day Gaius Cassius Longinus or is he Marcus Junius Brutus?
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,564
    edited March 2014

    The autobahns are still unlimited speeds aren't they? If not I did a lot of lawbreaking on my most recent trip. I thought you could drive as fast as you like except in areas with a signposted, designated speed.

    Yes and no. The limit IIRC is 110 kph (70 mph) in most places (in the parts of West Germany that I drove on anyway) with just a few unlimited stretches left (this goes back at least 20 years). But there should be signs indicating it, so perhaps you were really on unlimited bits.

    Like you I was given a racing car experience birthday present - various kinds of Ferrari and up to 170 or so. Exhilarating on the straight, but hard to get used to the different braking on the curves in a short session. Another boy's toy that it's fun to persuade someone to give you is a tank-driving outing - the site near Nottingham gives you a variety of tank experiences including firing soft missiles at another tank. They finish up with a weird off-road crawl in an APC through deep sliding mud.

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Higgins thinks it would be daring for HS2 to reach Crewe by 2027 instead of 2033.

    Daring? The Chinese could do something like this by 2017, rather than 2027.
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