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Gove's comments about Etonians at top of the Tory party. The head is not amused. See

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nigel4england

Gove-nor!

GeoffM

Second is the new First

IOS

Gove is right.

To many posh lads is destroying the Tory party. Cameron has already taken membership sub 100,000. Is he trying to get it to below 50,000?

CarlottaVance

Compouter2 will be pleased OGH has dedicated a whole thread to his favourite topic.....

AveryLP

There is no problem with Cameron giving the Etonian Pop story legs.

compouter is the only person in the country following it.

Tories asking each other which school they went to is like ordinary mortals conversing about the weather. It is merely inconsequential pleasantry.

nigel4england

AveryLP said:

There is no problem with Cameron giving the Etonian Pop story legs.

compouter is the only person in the country following it.

Tories asking each other which school they went to is like ordinary mortals conversing about the weather. It is merely inconsequential pleasantry.

Inverted snobbery is a shocking trait

Theuniondivvie

Secret camera records events in Cameron's office, about 4 minutes in.

http://youtu.be/2vBkFjwkJRg

Alanbrooke

AveryLP said:

There is no problem with Cameron giving the Etonian Pop story legs.

compouter is the only person in the country following it.

Tories asking each other which school they went to is like ordinary mortals conversing about the weather. It is merely inconsequential pleasantry.

We can of course agree that Osborne is inconsequential but pleasant ?

If only he'd listen to us manufacturing chappies the economy could be at a 16 year high.

NickPalmer

Warsi wades in:

pic.twitter.com/XV7g9ScCmc

JackW

GeoffM said:

Second is the new First

The motto of the depressed YES camp on 18th Septamber.

Mick_Pork

Theuniondivvie said:

Secret camera records events in Cameron's office, about 4 minutes in.

http://youtu.be/2vBkFjwkJRg

Foptastic!

"Exclusive: PM vents fury at Gove for interview on Etonians"

That'll teach that flithy little lefty class warrior Gove. Know your place Gove.

*chortle*

JackW

IOS said:

Gove is right.

To many posh lads is destroying the Tory party ....

Is they to ?!?

Edjewkayshon .. Educayshern .. Edyewkaishun

AlastairMeeks

Is this the first publicly reported case of a David Cameron bollocking? If so, Michael Gove is a notable victim. It's good to see that the Prime Minister is capable of unleashing his wrath on senior colleagues.

More passion please.

Mick_Pork

"Meanwhile, those supporting Boris’s leadership ambitions are deeply amused by the amount of energy being expended by the Osborne camp on furthering his prospects on the Tory backbenches. One says ‘George is taking this far more seriously than Boris. Boris doesn’t have a proper operation, but George does. The only thing bigger than the pro-George operation, though, is the stop-George operation.’ The stop-George operation isn’t an organised one, but it’s made up of ambitious Tories who wouldn’t want him siphoning off all the votes in a leadership contest, those who don’t think he would make an appealing party leader, and a small but stubborn group of MPs who have a personal grudge."


Incompetent fops.

AveryLP

antifrank said:

Is this the first publicly reported case of a David Cameron bollocking? If so, Michael Gove is a notable victim. It's good to see that the Prime Minister is capable of unleashing his wrath on senior colleagues.

More passion please.

It's three weeks of boot polishing for Gove now.

AndyJS

FPT:

Which of these is more important:

(a) Camden Market and Boris's dad's house

(b) A direct rail link potentially connecting the following cities to the continental rail network: Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Glasgow, Edinburgh.

Answer:

Everyone in London and SE: (a)
Everyone else: (b)

AveryLP

Mick_Pork said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Secret camera records events in Cameron's office, about 4 minutes in.

http://youtu.be/2vBkFjwkJRg

Foptastic!

"Exclusive: PM vents fury at Gove for interview on Etonians"

That'll teach that flithy little lefty class warrior Gove. Know your place Gove.

*chortle*

Pork

Do you post from Berkshire?

AlastairMeeks

@AndyJS the sole advantage of HS2 is that it will turn dreary old Birmingham into a suburb of London. It just goes to show that nowhere is irredeemable.

Mick_Pork

AveryLP said:

There is no problem with Cameron giving the Etonian Pop story legs.

compouter is the only person in the country following it.

Tories asking each other which school they went to is like ordinary mortals conversing about the weather. It is merely inconsequential pleasantry.

Avery

Are you still trying to make the CCHQ PR machine look competent and in touch compared to your inept spin?

AveryLP

Alanbrooke said:

AveryLP said:

There is no problem with Cameron giving the Etonian Pop story legs.

compouter is the only person in the country following it.

Tories asking each other which school they went to is like ordinary mortals conversing about the weather. It is merely inconsequential pleasantry.

We can of course agree that Osborne is inconsequential but pleasant ?

If only he'd listen to us manufacturing chappies the economy could be at a 16 year high.

So pleased to see you posting, Mr. Brooke.

I hear you are very busy these days.

SMukesh

How come senior Cabinet ministers are openly speculating in front of Cameron about leadership?Is something up?

Mick_Pork

ron ‏@omnirumour 47s

@David_Cameron balling out a colleague with a legitimate point?: http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/03/exclusive-pm-rebukes-michael-gove-for-too-many-etonians-comments/ … Sign of a weak leader that can't take criticism

Andrew Fitchett ‏@AndrewFitchett 3m

Ironically, Cameron 'bollocking' Gove sounds like some kind of Old Etonian dorm-room hijinks: http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/03/exclusive-pm-rebukes-michael-gove-for-too-many-etonians-comments/ …

Tom Doran ‏@portraitinflesh 1m

Now think this was a major strategic error by Cameron: http://specc.ie/PJr3za Gove makes an egalitarian point and he stamps on it, hard.

Simon Nixon ‏@Simon_Nixon 40m

Govey Finknottle is "torn a new one" by Bertie Cameron while the efficient Osborne tries to foil Tuppy Johnson http://specc.ie/PJr3za

TwistedFireStopper

Good on Gove and Warsi for having the courage to tell Cameron what a large chunk of the population think about the Tory party under Cameron, even if it is actually more about leadership bid machinations.

AlastairMeeks

Incidentally, there was one recent obvious example of anti-Scottish bias on the BBC. On London Vs The Rest, Evan Davis proposed as a national counterweight to London a super city based on Leeds and Manchester. Scotland's central belt is at least as large, is more compact, needs less investment in infrastructure and is more geographically coherent. It is unaccountable that it was overlooked.

Mick_Pork

A new squirrel for compouter to enjoy as the posh twits drone on.

http://www.emprints.com/squirrel-feeder-chew-chew-train.jpg

BobaFett

AndyJS said:

FPT:

Which of these is more important:

(a) Camden Market and Boris's dad's house

(b) A direct rail link potentially connecting the following cities to the continental rail network: Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Glasgow, Edinburgh.

Answer:

Everyone in London and SE: (a)
Everyone else: (b)

Camden Market was never permanently threatened by the scheme anyway, unless you believe the spin of Sean and his lefty neighbours.

Anyway I am in category (b) despite being a Londoner...

Alanbrooke

SeanT said:

AndyJS said:

FPT:

Which of these is more important:

(a) Camden Market and Boris's dad's house

(b) A direct rail link potentially connecting the following cities to the continental rail network: Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Glasgow, Edinburgh.

Answer:

Everyone in London and SE: (a)
Everyone else: (b)

But London and the SE are LITERALLY more important than everyone else. e.g. just 10 London boroughs are worth more than Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland combined - 3 entire nations.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/10-london-boroughs-worth-more-than-all-the-homes-in-wales-scotland-and-northern-ireland-8478990.html

Add in the SE and yes, we totally outvote everyone else, financially. So we get to decide. Sorry.

chortle

that's not how the rules work. Midlands factory worker has the same voting value as a london investment banker - probably more as he sits in a marginal.

Governments determine where the money flows..

BobaFett

Mick_Pork said:

ron ‏@omnirumour 47s

@David_Cameron balling out a colleague with a legitimate point?: http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/03/exclusive-pm-rebukes-michael-gove-for-too-many-etonians-comments/ … Sign of a weak leader that can't take criticism

Andrew Fitchett ‏@AndrewFitchett 3m

Ironically, Cameron 'bollocking' Gove sounds like some kind of Old Etonian dorm-room hijinks: http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/03/exclusive-pm-rebukes-michael-gove-for-too-many-etonians-comments/ …

Tom Doran ‏@portraitinflesh 1m

Now think this was a major strategic error by Cameron: http://specc.ie/PJr3za Gove makes an egalitarian point and he stamps on it, hard.

Simon Nixon ‏@Simon_Nixon 40m

Govey Finknottle is "torn a new one" by Bertie Cameron while the efficient Osborne tries to foil Tuppy Johnson http://specc.ie/PJr3za

The rebuke was worse than the original attack. Cam should have rode with it, and said he was thinking about Gove's point.

BobaFett

SeanT said:

AndyJS said:

FPT:

Which of these is more important:

(a) Camden Market and Boris's dad's house

(b) A direct rail link potentially connecting the following cities to the continental rail network: Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Glasgow, Edinburgh.

Answer:

Everyone in London and SE: (a)
Everyone else: (b)

But London and the SE are LITERALLY more important than everyone else. e.g. just 10 London boroughs are worth more than Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland combined - 3 entire nations.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/10-london-boroughs-worth-more-than-all-the-homes-in-wales-scotland-and-northern-ireland-8478990.html

Add in the SE and yes, we totally outvote everyone else, financially. So we get to decide. Sorry.

In fairness Sean that's the property stock isn't it? Not their entire inherent value!

AlastairMeeks

BobaFett said:

SeanT said:

AndyJS said:

FPT:

Which of these is more important:

(a) Camden Market and Boris's dad's house

(b) A direct rail link potentially connecting the following cities to the continental rail network: Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Glasgow, Edinburgh.

Answer:

Everyone in London and SE: (a)
Everyone else: (b)

But London and the SE are LITERALLY more important than everyone else. e.g. just 10 London boroughs are worth more than Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland combined - 3 entire nations.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/10-london-boroughs-worth-more-than-all-the-homes-in-wales-scotland-and-northern-ireland-8478990.html

Add in the SE and yes, we totally outvote everyone else, financially. So we get to decide. Sorry.

In fairness Sean that's the property stock isn't it? Not their entire inherent value!

Evidence that is not quantifiable is not evidence.

Mick_Pork

Christian Adams ‏@Adamstoon1

And a toon to accompany... MT @iainmartin1: Michael is helping George to stop Boris. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/10700069/How-Michael-Gove-and-George-Osborne-are-trying-to-halt-Boris-Johnson-the-great-pretender.html … pic.twitter.com/ATP9siPfid

Bob Moran ‏@bobscartoons Mar 14

A sketch I did yesterday morning of Boris and Gove as badgers: pic.twitter.com/DBBIW8xTZo

Why must they mock the incompetent fops in such a disgraceful disrespectful manner?
They should really know their place by now.

Alanbrooke

SeanT said:

Alanbrooke said:

SeanT said:

AndyJS said:

FPT:

Which of these is more important:

(a) Camden Market and Boris's dad's house

(b) A direct rail link potentially connecting the following cities to the continental rail network: Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Glasgow, Edinburgh.

Answer:

Everyone in London and SE: (a)
Everyone else: (b)

But London and the SE are LITERALLY more important than everyone else. e.g. just 10 London boroughs are worth more than Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland combined - 3 entire nations.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/10-london-boroughs-worth-more-than-all-the-homes-in-wales-scotland-and-northern-ireland-8478990.html

Add in the SE and yes, we totally outvote everyone else, financially. So we get to decide. Sorry.

chortle

that's not how the rules work. Midlands factory worker has the same voting value as a london investment banker - probably more as he sits in a marginal.

Governments determine where the money flows..

And yet, the ten square miles that constitute the London Borough of Camden - full of noisy, vocal, brilliant, gifted, handsome, media-savvy people, like me - has been able to get the HS2 project transformed. More northerly constituences fare less well.

Look and learn, ye provincials, look and learn.

hmm well of course Sean, but as you know we'll make you pay over the odds for it. Maybe Osborne's right you guys like to pay high taxes as a kind of status bling.

Charles

AndyJS said:

FPT:

Which of these is more important:

(a) Camden Market and Boris's dad's house

(b) A direct rail link potentially connecting the following cities to the continental rail network: Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Glasgow, Edinburgh.

Answer:

Everyone in London and SE: (a)
Everyone else: (b)

Andy, for crying out loud. It's about a 10 minute walk, with luggage. I've done it plenty of times. A few people being slightly inconvenienced vs. £700m and 10 years of disruption to local residents.

Nolo contendere as antifrank would say.

Mick_Pork

BobaFett said:

Mick_Pork said:

ron ‏@omnirumour 47s

@David_Cameron balling out a colleague with a legitimate point?: http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/03/exclusive-pm-rebukes-michael-gove-for-too-many-etonians-comments/ … Sign of a weak leader that can't take criticism

Andrew Fitchett ‏@AndrewFitchett 3m

Ironically, Cameron 'bollocking' Gove sounds like some kind of Old Etonian dorm-room hijinks: http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/03/exclusive-pm-rebukes-michael-gove-for-too-many-etonians-comments/ …

Tom Doran ‏@portraitinflesh 1m

Now think this was a major strategic error by Cameron: http://specc.ie/PJr3za Gove makes an egalitarian point and he stamps on it, hard.

Simon Nixon ‏@Simon_Nixon 40m

Govey Finknottle is "torn a new one" by Bertie Cameron while the efficient Osborne tries to foil Tuppy Johnson http://specc.ie/PJr3za

The rebuke was worse than the original attack. Cam should have rode with it, and said he was thinking about Gove's point.

Something he's done in the past because it's hardly the first time the fop chumocracy has come under fire from his own side.

Osbrowne quite possibly demanded such a 'furious' response from Cammie in an effort to slap Gove and the leadership talk down.

CarlottaVance

AveryLP said:

Mick_Pork said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Secret camera records events in Cameron's office, about 4 minutes in.

http://youtu.be/2vBkFjwkJRg

Foptastic!

"Exclusive: PM vents fury at Gove for interview on Etonians"

That'll teach that flithy little lefty class warrior Gove. Know your place Gove.

*chortle*

Pork

Do you post from Berkshire?

Are they branching out from the West Country?

Alanbrooke

Charles said:

AndyJS said:

FPT:

Which of these is more important:

(a) Camden Market and Boris's dad's house

(b) A direct rail link potentially connecting the following cities to the continental rail network: Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Glasgow, Edinburgh.

Answer:

Everyone in London and SE: (a)
Everyone else: (b)

Andy, for crying out loud. It's about a 10 minute walk, with luggage. I've done it plenty of times. A few people being slightly inconvenienced vs. £700m and 10 years of disruption to local residents.

Nolo contendere as antifrank would say.

able bodied banker with good knowledge of London in doesn't mind a walk shock.

AveryLP

CarlottaVance said:

AveryLP said:

Mick_Pork said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Secret camera records events in Cameron's office, about 4 minutes in.

http://youtu.be/2vBkFjwkJRg

Foptastic!

"Exclusive: PM vents fury at Gove for interview on Etonians"

That'll teach that flithy little lefty class warrior Gove. Know your place Gove.

*chortle*

Pork

Do you post from Berkshire?

Are they branching out from the West Country?

Used to be Gloucester but Flashman asserts the new spot is Berkshire.

Tim_B

Good news! A teacher named John Cisna ate nothing but McDonalds for 180 days and lost 61lbs.

For breakfast he had a couple of egg white delites, 1% milk and oatmeal, for lunch a salad or two bags of apples and a fruit and yogurt parfait. For dinner he'd have one of the value meals, all included french fries.

Maybe I'l try it....

Mick_Pork

Something for the old biddies and scottish tory surgers to shriek about.

Scottish Independence: Charles Kennedy calls for No to be positive

Former Liberal Democrat leader Charles Kennedy has called for No campaigners to be "more positive" ahead of the referendum on Scottish Independence.

The Highland MP said a negative approach from Better Together would not resonate with voters.

He also warned supporters of the Union that interventions by UK government ministers could be counterproductive.

Mr Kennedy called for a "more coherent blueprint" on further devolution to be agreed before September's vote.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-26602996

glw

BobaFett said:

The rebuke was worse than the original attack. Cam should have rode with it, and said he was thinking about Gove's point.

That's what he should have done, because Gove does have a good point.

BobaFett

Charles said:

AndyJS said:

FPT:

Which of these is more important:

(a) Camden Market and Boris's dad's house

(b) A direct rail link potentially connecting the following cities to the continental rail network: Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Glasgow, Edinburgh.

Answer:

Everyone in London and SE: (a)
Everyone else: (b)

Andy, for crying out loud. It's about a 10 minute walk, with luggage. I've done it plenty of times. A few people being slightly inconvenienced vs. £700m and 10 years of disruption to local residents.

Nolo contendere as antifrank would say.

I wonder what the reaction would be if Londoners had a "10 minute" change at Ebsfleet to get to Paris.

And it's not a 10 minute transfer - unless you are advocating no contingency time between trains? In reality it will add 15-30 minutes to the journey, and lots of hassle.

Sean_F

This conflict within the Tory leadership is like watching dung beetles struggling against cockroaches.

AveryLP

Tim_B said:

Good news! A teacher named John Cisna ate nothing but McDonalds for 180 days and lost 61lbs.

For breakfast he had a couple of egg white delites, 1% milk and oatmeal, for lunch a salad or two bags of apples and a fruit and yogurt parfait. For dinner he'd have one of the value meals, all included french fries.

Maybe I'l try it....

Talking of which Dave has just joined George on a diet.

http://t.co/ROL6ukcdsy

They are all in it together.

MrsB

Never mind how many Old Etonians there are in the cabinet, someone should be complaining about how many Oxbridge graduates there are. And on the Labour front bench too.

Mick_Pork

stefanstern ‏@stefanstern

Nadine Dorries http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17815769 … + Michael Gove http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e78f9402-ab61-11e3-aad9-00144feab7de.html … have made two of the most pungent + personal attacks on the PM.


Gove will need to stretch his support a just bit further than the likes of Dorries to combat Osbrowne's leadership ambitions. However, he will at least be pleased by in the incompetent response and spin from Cammie, Osbrowne and CCHQ.

AlastairMeeks

BobaFett said:

Charles said:

AndyJS said:

FPT:

Which of these is more important:

(a) Camden Market and Boris's dad's house

(b) A direct rail link potentially connecting the following cities to the continental rail network: Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Glasgow, Edinburgh.

Answer:

Everyone in London and SE: (a)
Everyone else: (b)

Andy, for crying out loud. It's about a 10 minute walk, with luggage. I've done it plenty of times. A few people being slightly inconvenienced vs. £700m and 10 years of disruption to local residents.

Nolo contendere as antifrank would say.

I wonder what the reaction would be if Londoners had a "10 minute" change at Ebsfleet to get to Paris.

And it's not a 10 minute transfer - unless you are advocating no contingency time between trains? In reality it will add 15-30 minutes to the journey, and lots of hassle.

Perhaps they could install a travelator between the two stations. I doubt it would cost £700 million.

Alanbrooke

antifrank said:

BobaFett said:

Charles said:

AndyJS said:

FPT:

Which of these is more important:

(a) Camden Market and Boris's dad's house

(b) A direct rail link potentially connecting the following cities to the continental rail network: Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Glasgow, Edinburgh.

Answer:

Everyone in London and SE: (a)
Everyone else: (b)

Andy, for crying out loud. It's about a 10 minute walk, with luggage. I've done it plenty of times. A few people being slightly inconvenienced vs. £700m and 10 years of disruption to local residents.

Nolo contendere as antifrank would say.

I wonder what the reaction would be if Londoners had a "10 minute" change at Ebsfleet to get to Paris.

And it's not a 10 minute transfer - unless you are advocating no contingency time between trains? In reality it will add 15-30 minutes to the journey, and lots of hassle.

Perhaps they could install a travelator between the two stations. I doubt it would cost £700 million.

£ 1million for the travelator £659 million for the legals and consultancy.

foxinsoxuk

A well signposted tunnel with travelator between Euston and St Pancras International. It would be safer and dryer for passengers with luggage than Euston road, and a lot cheaper than a rail connection.

I shall take my consulancy fee in cash please...

Alanbrooke said:

Charles said:

AndyJS said:

FPT:

Which of these is more important:

(a) Camden Market and Boris's dad's house

(b) A direct rail link potentially connecting the following cities to the continental rail network: Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Glasgow, Edinburgh.

Answer:

Everyone in London and SE: (a)
Everyone else: (b)

Andy, for crying out loud. It's about a 10 minute walk, with luggage. I've done it plenty of times. A few people being slightly inconvenienced vs. £700m and 10 years of disruption to local residents.

Nolo contendere as antifrank would say.

able bodied banker with good knowledge of London in doesn't mind a walk shock.

AlastairMeeks

MrsB said:

Never mind how many Old Etonians there are in the cabinet, someone should be complaining about how many Oxbridge graduates there are. And on the Labour front bench too.

I'm less worried about Oxbridge graduates than about the almost complete lack of business experience. It's particularly extreme on the Labour front bench but the Conservatives are fairly weak too.

AveryLP

Alanbrooke said:

antifrank said:

BobaFett said:

Charles said:

AndyJS said:

FPT:

Which of these is more important:

(a) Camden Market and Boris's dad's house

(b) A direct rail link potentially connecting the following cities to the continental rail network: Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Glasgow, Edinburgh.

Answer:

Everyone in London and SE: (a)
Everyone else: (b)

Andy, for crying out loud. It's about a 10 minute walk, with luggage. I've done it plenty of times. A few people being slightly inconvenienced vs. £700m and 10 years of disruption to local residents.

Nolo contendere as antifrank would say.

I wonder what the reaction would be if Londoners had a "10 minute" change at Ebsfleet to get to Paris.

And it's not a 10 minute transfer - unless you are advocating no contingency time between trains? In reality it will add 15-30 minutes to the journey, and lots of hassle.

Perhaps they could install a travelator between the two stations. I doubt it would cost £700 million.

£ 1million for the travelator £659 million for the legals and consultancy.

Then add on bank fees and financing costs.

Think what it would do to GDP, Mr. Brooke.

glw

MrsB said:

Never mind how many Old Etonians there are in the cabinet, someone should be complaining about how many Oxbridge graduates there are. And on the Labour front bench too.

Our representatives are not representative.

A half-sensible party (ruling out UKIP) that understood this problem and acted, because they all talk about opportunity and equality but do sweet FA, would walk it in my opinion.

AlastairMeeks

Alanbrooke said:

antifrank said:

BobaFett said:

Charles said:

AndyJS said:

FPT:

Which of these is more important:

(a) Camden Market and Boris's dad's house

(b) A direct rail link potentially connecting the following cities to the continental rail network: Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Glasgow, Edinburgh.

Answer:

Everyone in London and SE: (a)
Everyone else: (b)

Andy, for crying out loud. It's about a 10 minute walk, with luggage. I've done it plenty of times. A few people being slightly inconvenienced vs. £700m and 10 years of disruption to local residents.

Nolo contendere as antifrank would say.

I wonder what the reaction would be if Londoners had a "10 minute" change at Ebsfleet to get to Paris.

And it's not a 10 minute transfer - unless you are advocating no contingency time between trains? In reality it will add 15-30 minutes to the journey, and lots of hassle.

Perhaps they could install a travelator between the two stations. I doubt it would cost £700 million.

£ 1million for the travelator £659 million for the legals and consultancy.

Sounds perfect.

TwistedFireStopper

antifrank said:

BobaFett said:

Charles said:

AndyJS said:

FPT:

Which of these is more important:

(a) Camden Market and Boris's dad's house

(b) A direct rail link potentially connecting the following cities to the continental rail network: Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Glasgow, Edinburgh.

Answer:

Everyone in London and SE: (a)
Everyone else: (b)

Andy, for crying out loud. It's about a 10 minute walk, with luggage. I've done it plenty of times. A few people being slightly inconvenienced vs. £700m and 10 years of disruption to local residents.

Nolo contendere as antifrank would say.

I wonder what the reaction would be if Londoners had a "10 minute" change at Ebsfleet to get to Paris.

And it's not a 10 minute transfer - unless you are advocating no contingency time between trains? In reality it will add 15-30 minutes to the journey, and lots of hassle.

Perhaps they could install a travelator between the two stations. I doubt it would cost £700 million.

Are we really at the point that we want to spend 700 million quid on a 10 minute walk? Can't we buy a ruck load of electric minibuses or similar, build the cost of them into the price of a ticket?

Alanbrooke

AveryLP said:

Alanbrooke said:

antifrank said:

BobaFett said:

Charles said:

AndyJS said:

FPT:

Which of these is more important:

(a) Camden Market and Boris's dad's house

(b) A direct rail link potentially connecting the following cities to the continental rail network: Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Glasgow, Edinburgh.

Answer:

Everyone in London and SE: (a)
Everyone else: (b)

Andy, for crying out loud. It's about a 10 minute walk, with luggage. I've done it plenty of times. A few people being slightly inconvenienced vs. £700m and 10 years of disruption to local residents.

Nolo contendere as antifrank would say.

I wonder what the reaction would be if Londoners had a "10 minute" change at Ebsfleet to get to Paris.

And it's not a 10 minute transfer - unless you are advocating no contingency time between trains? In reality it will add 15-30 minutes to the journey, and lots of hassle.

Perhaps they could install a travelator between the two stations. I doubt it would cost £700 million.

£ 1million for the travelator £659 million for the legals and consultancy.

Then add on bank fees and financing costs.

Think what it would do to GDP, Mr. Brooke.

screw it up as usual when the balance sheet catches up the P&L. Osbornomics in action.

( or should that be inaction ?)

AveryLP

YouGov with an 8 point Labour lead/

Why is it that YouGov always seem to show high Labour leads in the days running up to major Tory events?

Happens almost every time.

MrJones

Praps they'll televise Gove getting a thwashing dressed in rags with some soot dabbed on his face saying "go easy guv'nor, i'll be 'umble".

edit: men in grey suits watching and thinking "ha, this'll fool the oiks"

BobaFett

antifrank said:

BobaFett said:

Charles said:

AndyJS said:

FPT:

Which of these is more important:

(a) Camden Market and Boris's dad's house

(b) A direct rail link potentially connecting the following cities to the continental rail network: Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Glasgow, Edinburgh.

Answer:

Everyone in London and SE: (a)
Everyone else: (b)

Andy, for crying out loud. It's about a 10 minute walk, with luggage. I've done it plenty of times. A few people being slightly inconvenienced vs. £700m and 10 years of disruption to local residents.

Nolo contendere as antifrank would say.

I wonder what the reaction would be if Londoners had a "10 minute" change at Ebsfleet to get to Paris.

And it's not a 10 minute transfer - unless you are advocating no contingency time between trains? In reality it will add 15-30 minutes to the journey, and lots of hassle.

Perhaps they could install a travelator between the two stations. I doubt it would cost £700 million.

No - probably about £200m or more, at a rough guess. So your marginal cost is already falling, and you still have a naff unintegrated system...

Alanbrooke

TwistedFireStopper said:

antifrank said:

BobaFett said:

Charles said:

AndyJS said:

FPT:

Which of these is more important:

(a) Camden Market and Boris's dad's house

(b) A direct rail link potentially connecting the following cities to the continental rail network: Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Glasgow, Edinburgh.

Answer:

Everyone in London and SE: (a)
Everyone else: (b)

Andy, for crying out loud. It's about a 10 minute walk, with luggage. I've done it plenty of times. A few people being slightly inconvenienced vs. £700m and 10 years of disruption to local residents.

Nolo contendere as antifrank would say.

I wonder what the reaction would be if Londoners had a "10 minute" change at Ebsfleet to get to Paris.

And it's not a 10 minute transfer - unless you are advocating no contingency time between trains? In reality it will add 15-30 minutes to the journey, and lots of hassle.

Perhaps they could install a travelator between the two stations. I doubt it would cost £700 million.

Are we really at the point that we want to spend 700 million quid on a 10 minute walk? Can't we buy a ruck load of electric minibuses or similar, build the cost of them into the price of a ticket?

Yes spend it, otherwise Avery will only give it to some bankers to subsidise their latest mess.

AlastairMeeks

TwistedFireStopper said:

antifrank said:

BobaFett said:

Charles said:

AndyJS said:

FPT:

Which of these is more important:

(a) Camden Market and Boris's dad's house

(b) A direct rail link potentially connecting the following cities to the continental rail network: Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Glasgow, Edinburgh.

Answer:

Everyone in London and SE: (a)
Everyone else: (b)

Andy, for crying out loud. It's about a 10 minute walk, with luggage. I've done it plenty of times. A few people being slightly inconvenienced vs. £700m and 10 years of disruption to local residents.

Nolo contendere as antifrank would say.

I wonder what the reaction would be if Londoners had a "10 minute" change at Ebsfleet to get to Paris.

And it's not a 10 minute transfer - unless you are advocating no contingency time between trains? In reality it will add 15-30 minutes to the journey, and lots of hassle.

Perhaps they could install a travelator between the two stations. I doubt it would cost £700 million.

Are we really at the point that we want to spend 700 million quid on a 10 minute walk? Can't we buy a ruck load of electric minibuses or similar, build the cost of them into the price of a ticket?

It would be cheaper still to print leaflets telling northerners they'd be best advised to stay in London. Perhaps with a logo of Dick Whittington's cat.

AveryLP

Alanbrooke said:

AveryLP said:

Alanbrooke said:

antifrank said:

BobaFett said:

Charles said:

AndyJS said:

FPT:

Which of these is more important:

(a) Camden Market and Boris's dad's house

(b) A direct rail link potentially connecting the following cities to the continental rail network: Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Glasgow, Edinburgh.

Answer:

Everyone in London and SE: (a)
Everyone else: (b)

Andy, for crying out loud. It's about a 10 minute walk, with luggage. I've done it plenty of times. A few people being slightly inconvenienced vs. £700m and 10 years of disruption to local residents.

Nolo contendere as antifrank would say.

I wonder what the reaction would be if Londoners had a "10 minute" change at Ebsfleet to get to Paris.

And it's not a 10 minute transfer - unless you are advocating no contingency time between trains? In reality it will add 15-30 minutes to the journey, and lots of hassle.

Perhaps they could install a travelator between the two stations. I doubt it would cost £700 million.

£ 1million for the travelator £659 million for the legals and consultancy.

Then add on bank fees and financing costs.

Think what it would do to GDP, Mr. Brooke.

screw it up as usual when the balance sheet catches up the P&L. Osbornomics in action.

( or should that be inaction ?)

I like your definition of Osbonomics, Mr. Brooke.

Has more than a grain of truth in it.

The inaction bit though is pure defamation.

JosiasJessop

I dunno. I go out for the evening and it all kicks off about HS2. Could you lot give me some warning? ;-)

CarlottaVance

Heathrow transfer times from Terminal 1:

Terminal 3 Walk 10 minutes
Terminal 4 Heathrow Express 20 minutes
Terminal 5 Heathrow Express 20 minutes

http://www.heathrowairport.com/heathrow-airport-guide/travel-between-terminals

Easterross

AveryLP said:

YouGov with an 8 point Labour lead/

Why is it that YouGov always seem to show high Labour leads in the days running up to major Tory events?

Happens almost every time.

What do you expect from the pogo pollsters?

Alanbrooke

AveryLP said:

YouGov with an 8 point Labour lead/

Why is it that YouGov always seem to show high Labour leads in the days running up to major Tory events?

Happens almost every time.

AveryLP said:

YouGov with an 8 point Labour lead/

Why is it that YouGov always seem to show high Labour leads in the days running up to major Tory events?

Happens almost every time.

I blame the directors.

You should speak to the Warwickshire horse warmer and threaten not to sign his expenses,

BobaFett

SeanT said:

BobaFett said:

antifrank said:

BobaFett said:

Charles said:

AndyJS said:

FPT:

Which of these is more important:

(a) Camden Market and Boris's dad's house

(b) A direct rail link potentially connecting the following cities to the continental rail network: Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Glasgow, Edinburgh.

Answer:

Everyone in London and SE: (a)
Everyone else: (b)

Andy, for crying out loud. It's about a 10 minute walk, with luggage. I've done it plenty of times. A few people being slightly inconvenienced vs. £700m and 10 years of disruption to local residents.

Nolo contendere as antifrank would say.

I wonder what the reaction would be if Londoners had a "10 minute" change at Ebsfleet to get to Paris.

And it's not a 10 minute transfer - unless you are advocating no contingency time between trains? In reality it will add 15-30 minutes to the journey, and lots of hassle.

Perhaps they could install a travelator between the two stations. I doubt it would cost £700 million.

No - probably about £200m or more, at a rough guess. So your marginal cost is already falling, and you still have a naff unintegrated system...

So don't build a travelator. Save all the money, spend it on educating northerners and Brummies on how to walk 300 yards with wheeled luggage, with scarcely a pub or a pie-shop on the way.

The pubs around there are woeful to be fair, with the exception of the Somers Town Coffee House, which would add ~2 minutes to the walk...

BobaFett

JosiasJessop said:

I dunno. I go out for the evening and it all kicks off about HS2. Could you lot give me some warning? ;-)

It's not yet risen to the grand barney status of ChargerGate this morning.

compouter2

BLUE ON BLUE INCOMING:

Everywhere!

BobaFett

YouGov +8
40/32

foxinsoxuk

Better still catch East Midlans Trains to St Pancras in the first place. Excellent services from Leicester, Nottingham, Derby and Sheffield. You do not even have to surface in the great Wen.

BobaFett

One point HS2 slump for Dave with YouGov. Furious Brummies abandon ship/train.

Alanbrooke

SeanT said:

BobaFett said:

antifrank said:

BobaFett said:

Charles said:

AndyJS said:

FPT:

Which of these is more important:

(a) Camden Market and Boris's dad's house

(b) A direct rail link potentially connecting the following cities to the continental rail network: Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Glasgow, Edinburgh.

Answer:

Everyone in London and SE: (a)
Everyone else: (b)

Andy, for crying out loud. It's about a 10 minute walk, with luggage. I've done it plenty of times. A few people being slightly inconvenienced vs. £700m and 10 years of disruption to local residents.

Nolo contendere as antifrank would say.

I wonder what the reaction would be if Londoners had a "10 minute" change at Ebsfleet to get to Paris.

And it's not a 10 minute transfer - unless you are advocating no contingency time between trains? In reality it will add 15-30 minutes to the journey, and lots of hassle.

Perhaps they could install a travelator between the two stations. I doubt it would cost £700 million.

No - probably about £200m or more, at a rough guess. So your marginal cost is already falling, and you still have a naff unintegrated system...

So don't build a travelator. Save all the money, spend it on educating northerners and Brummies on how to walk 300 yards with wheeled luggage, with scarcely a pub or a pie-shop on the way.

LOL I'd still prefer to flatten Camden, it has no value since Bob Cratchett moved out.

Charles

Alanbrooke said:

Charles said:

AndyJS said:

FPT:

Which of these is more important:

(a) Camden Market and Boris's dad's house

(b) A direct rail link potentially connecting the following cities to the continental rail network: Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Glasgow, Edinburgh.

Answer:

Everyone in London and SE: (a)
Everyone else: (b)

Andy, for crying out loud. It's about a 10 minute walk, with luggage. I've done it plenty of times. A few people being slightly inconvenienced vs. £700m and 10 years of disruption to local residents.

Nolo contendere as antifrank would say.

able bodied banker with good knowledge of London in doesn't mind a walk shock.

I know my way around Copenhagen airport rather better.

This weekend I realised how sad my life was - was stuck at O'Hare and end up discussing the layout of Copenhagen airport with a random stranger in the queue...

It's still not worth £700m. If you're that worried about it get a cab.

compouter2

What the PB Hodges would prefer to do regards Blue on Blue constant incoming:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mattsmyth/Assets/Tinfingers/cyril-posh-squirrel-wb.jpg

JosiasJessop

SeanT said:

Etonians, Yawn.

Can we go back to arguing about HS2?

Trains! Hooray!

Camden Is Saved.

Is it? I've skimmed the report and listened to as much of the press conference as the BBC allowed, and I *think* that Higgins is minded to cancel the link. Basically because it's a bodge (see my previous existentially boring posts)

However ISTR he said that he wants it looked into, and it might return as ... a double track line!

http://assets.hs2.org.uk/sites/default/files/inserts/Higgins Report - HS2 Plus.pdf

As for disruption, how much trouble has been caused by the worked around Tottenham Court Road for Croosrail ovedr the last three or four years? Are Londoners managing well enough with that?

BobaFett

AveryLP said:

YouGov with an 8 point Labour lead/

Why is it that YouGov always seem to show high Labour leads in the days running up to major Tory events?

Happens almost every time.

The voters haven't got the memo?

DavidL

Interesting story because Gove has always been a bit of a blue eyed boy with the Cameroons. But if it is Cameron putting his foot down and indicating that there is to be no more of this nonsense in the run up to the election, even from the favoured ones, this will be a good thing.

I am old enough, just, to remember when discipline was the tory's secret weapon. It seems a long time ago.

TwistedFireStopper

Alanbrooke said:

SeanT said:

BobaFett said:

antifrank said:

BobaFett said:

Charles said:

AndyJS said:

FPT:

Which of these is more important:

(a) Camden Market and Boris's dad's house

(b) A direct rail link potentially connecting the following cities to the continental rail network: Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Glasgow, Edinburgh.

Answer:

Everyone in London and SE: (a)
Everyone else: (b)

Andy, for crying out loud. It's about a 10 minute walk, with luggage. I've done it plenty of times. A few people being slightly inconvenienced vs. £700m and 10 years of disruption to local residents.

Nolo contendere as antifrank would say.

I wonder what the reaction would be if Londoners had a "10 minute" change at Ebsfleet to get to Paris.

And it's not a 10 minute transfer - unless you are advocating no contingency time between trains? In reality it will add 15-30 minutes to the journey, and lots of hassle.

Perhaps they could install a travelator between the two stations. I doubt it would cost £700 million.

No - probably about £200m or more, at a rough guess. So your marginal cost is already falling, and you still have a naff unintegrated system...

So don't build a travelator. Save all the money, spend it on educating northerners and Brummies on how to walk 300 yards with wheeled luggage, with scarcely a pub or a pie-shop on the way.

LOL I'd still prefer to flatten Camden, it has no value since Bob Cratchett moved out.

I say we should follow the Ripley Doctrine on the whole city.

Charles

BobaFett said:

Charles said:

AndyJS said:

FPT:

Which of these is more important:

(a) Camden Market and Boris's dad's house

(b) A direct rail link potentially connecting the following cities to the continental rail network: Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Glasgow, Edinburgh.

Answer:

Everyone in London and SE: (a)
Everyone else: (b)

Andy, for crying out loud. It's about a 10 minute walk, with luggage. I've done it plenty of times. A few people being slightly inconvenienced vs. £700m and 10 years of disruption to local residents.

Nolo contendere as antifrank would say.

I wonder what the reaction would be if Londoners had a "10 minute" change at Ebsfleet to get to Paris.

And it's not a 10 minute transfer - unless you are advocating no contingency time between trains? In reality it will add 15-30 minutes to the journey, and lots of hassle.

I don't worry that much that I have to transit from Gare de Nord to Gare de Lyon when I'm going to Nice.

compouter2

Eight point Labour lead can mean only one thing:

http://cdn.attackofthecute.com/September-21-2011-22-10-20-article20014580C7AE1F400000578364468x483.jpeg

Under no circumstances must it be mentioned.

Me the goalposts and Basil....onward!

JosiasJessop

compouter2 said:

What the PB Hodges would prefer to do regards Blue on Blue constant incoming:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mattsmyth/Assets/Tinfingers/cyril-posh-squirrel-wb.jpg

You may want to use this one in future ...
http://imgur.com/czjCVpk

Alanbrooke

Charles said:

Alanbrooke said:

Charles said:

AndyJS said:

FPT:

Which of these is more important:

(a) Camden Market and Boris's dad's house

(b) A direct rail link potentially connecting the following cities to the continental rail network: Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Glasgow, Edinburgh.

Answer:

Everyone in London and SE: (a)
Everyone else: (b)

Andy, for crying out loud. It's about a 10 minute walk, with luggage. I've done it plenty of times. A few people being slightly inconvenienced vs. £700m and 10 years of disruption to local residents.

Nolo contendere as antifrank would say.

able bodied banker with good knowledge of London in doesn't mind a walk shock.

I know my way around Copenhagen airport rather better.

This weekend I realised how sad my life was - was stuck at O'Hare and end up discussing the layout of Copenhagen airport with a random stranger in the queue...

It's still not worth £700m. If you're that worried about it get a cab.

Personally Charles I doubt I'll ever use it, I generally try to avoid London . But if you're elderly, disabled or a visitor coming in from abroad, maybe London should try to make itself user friendly.

SouthamObserver

Alanbrooke said:

SeanT said:

BobaFett said:

antifrank said:

BobaFett said:

Charles said:

AndyJS said:

FPT:

Which of these is more important:

(a) Camden Market and Boris's dad's house

(b) A direct rail link potentially connecting the following cities to the continental rail network: Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Glasgow, Edinburgh.

Answer:

Everyone in London and SE: (a)
Everyone else: (b)

Andy, for crying out loud. It's about a 10 minute walk, with luggage. I've done it plenty of times. A few people being slightly inconvenienced vs. £700m and 10 years of disruption to local residents.

Nolo contendere as antifrank would say.

I wonder what the reaction would be if Londoners had a "10 minute" change at Ebsfleet to get to Paris.

And it's not a 10 minute transfer - unless you are advocating no contingency time between trains? In reality it will add 15-30 minutes to the journey, and lots of hassle.

Perhaps they could install a travelator between the two stations. I doubt it would cost £700 million.

No - probably about £200m or more, at a rough guess. So your marginal cost is already falling, and you still have a naff unintegrated system...

So don't build a travelator. Save all the money, spend it on educating northerners and Brummies on how to walk 300 yards with wheeled luggage, with scarcely a pub or a pie-shop on the way.

LOL I'd still prefer to flatten Camden, it has no value since Bob Cratchett moved out.

Excuse me - that's my ancestral home you're talking about. We've been in St Pancras/Camden for 150 years at least. The family seat remains there, selflessly accumulating value.

AndyJS

Edinburgh to Paris would have been a particularly spectacular train journey which now won't be possible thanks to Cameron and his Etonian chums.

AveryLP

compouter2 said:

Eight point Labour lead can mean only one thing:

http://cdn.attackofthecute.com/September-21-2011-22-10-20-article20014580C7AE1F400000578364468x483.jpeg

Under no circumstances must it be mentioned.

Me the goalposts and Basil....onward!

Looks like Basil is about to get stuck in YouGov's trap, 'pouter.

Dumb animal!

Charles

Alanbrooke said:

Charles said:

Alanbrooke said:

Charles said:

AndyJS said:

FPT:

Which of these is more important:

(a) Camden Market and Boris's dad's house

(b) A direct rail link potentially connecting the following cities to the continental rail network: Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Glasgow, Edinburgh.

Answer:

Everyone in London and SE: (a)
Everyone else: (b)

Andy, for crying out loud. It's about a 10 minute walk, with luggage. I've done it plenty of times. A few people being slightly inconvenienced vs. £700m and 10 years of disruption to local residents.

Nolo contendere as antifrank would say.

able bodied banker with good knowledge of London in doesn't mind a walk shock.

I know my way around Copenhagen airport rather better.

This weekend I realised how sad my life was - was stuck at O'Hare and end up discussing the layout of Copenhagen airport with a random stranger in the queue...

It's still not worth £700m. If you're that worried about it get a cab.

Personally Charles I doubt I'll ever use it, I generally try to avoid London . But if you're elderly, disabled or a visitor coming in from abroad, maybe London should try to make itself user friendly.

It is pretty user friendly. But even so, it's not the justification for that kind of spend on a marginal benefit.

foxinsoxuk

Or Curtis Le May. He would keep you in work...

TwistedFireStopper said:

Alanbrooke said:

SeanT said:

BobaFett said:

antifrank said:

BobaFett said:

Charles said:

AndyJS said:

FPT:

Which of these is more important:

(a) Camden Market and Boris's dad's house

(b) A direct rail link potentially connecting the following cities to the continental rail network: Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Glasgow, Edinburgh.

Answer:

Everyone in London and SE: (a)
Everyone else: (b)

Andy, for crying out loud. It's about a 10 minute walk, with luggage. I've done it plenty of times. A few people being slightly inconvenienced vs. £700m and 10 years of disruption to local residents.

Nolo contendere as antifrank would say.

I wonder what the reaction would be if Londoners had a "10 minute" change at Ebsfleet to get to Paris.

And it's not a 10 minute transfer - unless you are advocating no contingency time between trains? In reality it will add 15-30 minutes to the journey, and lots of hassle.

Perhaps they could install a travelator between the two stations. I doubt it would cost £700 million.

No - probably about £200m or more, at a rough guess. So your marginal cost is already falling, and you still have a naff unintegrated system...

So don't build a travelator. Save all the money, spend it on educating northerners and Brummies on how to walk 300 yards with wheeled luggage, with scarcely a pub or a pie-shop on the way.

LOL I'd still prefer to flatten Camden, it has no value since Bob Cratchett moved out.

I say we should follow the Ripley Doctrine on the whole city.

CopperSulphate

I'm from London and I hate Camden Market. A load of middle class kids pretending to be poor and trendy using Daddies money.

Much more important than connecting the other major cities than Europe.

Alanbrooke

SouthamObserver said:

Alanbrooke said:

SeanT said:

BobaFett said:

antifrank said:

BobaFett said:

Charles said:

AndyJS said:

FPT:

Which of these is more important:

(a) Camden Market and Boris's dad's house

(b) A direct rail link potentially connecting the following cities to the continental rail network: Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Glasgow, Edinburgh.

Answer:

Everyone in London and SE: (a)
Everyone else: (b)

Andy, for crying out loud. It's about a 10 minute walk, with luggage. I've done it plenty of times. A few people being slightly inconvenienced vs. £700m and 10 years of disruption to local residents.

Nolo contendere as antifrank would say.

I wonder what the reaction would be if Londoners had a "10 minute" change at Ebsfleet to get to Paris.

And it's not a 10 minute transfer - unless you are advocating no contingency time between trains? In reality it will add 15-30 minutes to the journey, and lots of hassle.

Perhaps they could install a travelator between the two stations. I doubt it would cost £700 million.

No - probably about £200m or more, at a rough guess. So your marginal cost is already falling, and you still have a naff unintegrated system...

So don't build a travelator. Save all the money, spend it on educating northerners and Brummies on how to walk 300 yards with wheeled luggage, with scarcely a pub or a pie-shop on the way.

LOL I'd still prefer to flatten Camden, it has no value since Bob Cratchett moved out.

Excuse me - that's my ancestral home you're talking about. We've been in St Pancras/Camden for 150 years at least. The family seat remains there, selflessly accumulating value.

Sell it to the railways and buy Southam.

AndyJS

Turns out one of the stewards aboard flight MH370 had a simulator at home, as well as the Captain:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2582624/MH370-It-wasnt-just-captain-missing-Malaysian-airline-flight-simulator-similar-computer-software-home-belonging-member-cabin-crew.html

BobaFett

JosiasJessop said:

SeanT said:

Etonians, Yawn.

Can we go back to arguing about HS2?

Trains! Hooray!

Camden Is Saved.

Is it? I've skimmed the report and listened to as much of the press conference as the BBC allowed, and I *think* that Higgins is minded to cancel the link. Basically because it's a bodge (see my previous existentially boring posts)

However ISTR he said that he wants it looked into, and it might return as ... a double track line!

http://assets.hs2.org.uk/sites/default/files/inserts/Higgins Report - HS2 Plus.pdf

As for disruption, how much trouble has been caused by the worked around Tottenham Court Road for Croosrail ovedr the last three or four years? Are Londoners managing well enough with that?

Now you are talking. A double track line through Sean's back passage
This idea of "oh it will cause disruption", hmm, I wonder how many of our Victorian forefathers thought like that?

Your point about TCR is sound.

BobaFett

Charles said:

BobaFett said:

Charles said:

AndyJS said:

FPT:

Which of these is more important:

(a) Camden Market and Boris's dad's house

(b) A direct rail link potentially connecting the following cities to the continental rail network: Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Glasgow, Edinburgh.

Answer:

Everyone in London and SE: (a)
Everyone else: (b)

Andy, for crying out loud. It's about a 10 minute walk, with luggage. I've done it plenty of times. A few people being slightly inconvenienced vs. £700m and 10 years of disruption to local residents.

Nolo contendere as antifrank would say.

I wonder what the reaction would be if Londoners had a "10 minute" change at Ebsfleet to get to Paris.

And it's not a 10 minute transfer - unless you are advocating no contingency time between trains? In reality it will add 15-30 minutes to the journey, and lots of hassle.

I don't worry that much that I have to transit from Gare de Nord to Gare de Lyon when I'm going to Nice.

I think it's naff. I'd like to rock up at StP and see Nice on the destination board, and relax.

foxinsoxuk

Try taking a baby in a buggy on the tube, then tell me London is user friendly.

Charles said:

Alanbrooke said:

Charles said:

Alanbrooke said:

Charles said:

AndyJS said:

FPT:

Which of these is more important:

(a) Camden Market and Boris's dad's house

(b) A direct rail link potentially connecting the following cities to the continental rail network: Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Glasgow, Edinburgh.

Answer:

Everyone in London and SE: (a)
Everyone else: (b)

Andy, for crying out loud. It's about a 10 minute walk, with luggage. I've done it plenty of times. A few people being slightly inconvenienced vs. £700m and 10 years of disruption to local residents.

Nolo contendere as antifrank would say.

able bodied banker with good knowledge of London in doesn't mind a walk shock.

I know my way around Copenhagen airport rather better.

This weekend I realised how sad my life was - was stuck at O'Hare and end up discussing the layout of Copenhagen airport with a random stranger in the queue...

It's still not worth £700m. If you're that worried about it get a cab.

Personally Charles I doubt I'll ever use it, I generally try to avoid London . But if you're elderly, disabled or a visitor coming in from abroad, maybe London should try to make itself user friendly.

It is pretty user friendly. But even so, it's not the justification for that kind of spend on a marginal benefit.

JosiasJessop

foxinsoxuk said:

Better still catch East Midlans Trains to St Pancras in the first place. Excellent services from Leicester, Nottingham, Derby and Sheffield. You do not even have to surface in the great Wen.

And it will get better after the MML is electrified in the next six years, following on from the recent journey time improvements from the 125MPH improvements launched a few months ago.

The electrification will cost just a smidgen over the cost of the HS2<->Hs1 link ...

http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse documents/strategicbusinessplan/cp5/supporting documents/our activity and expenditure plans/route plans/east midlands route plan.pdf

Some facts for you:
The Thatcher government electrified the entire East Coast Main Line.
New Labour electrified virtually f'all (actually, around 70km of track, less of route-miles)

Theuniondivvie

Mick_Pork said:

Something for the old biddies and scottish tory surgers to shriek about.

Scottish Independence: Charles Kennedy calls for No to be positive

Former Liberal Democrat leader Charles Kennedy has called for No campaigners to be "more positive" ahead of the referendum on Scottish Independence.

The Highland MP said a negative approach from Better Together would not resonate with voters.

He also warned supporters of the Union that interventions by UK government ministers could be counterproductive.

Mr Kennedy called for a "more coherent blueprint" on further devolution to be agreed before September's vote.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-26602996

I might be a smidgeon concerned at that if I didn't think the Tory/Slab Dambusters will completely ignore Charlie. No doubt some LDs will caper and squeak about the 'positivity' of one of their own, but let's be honest, who's paying the slightest attention to what they think?

Mick_Pork

compouter2 said:

What the PB Hodges would prefer to do regards Blue on Blue constant incoming:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mattsmyth/Assets/Tinfingers/cyril-posh-squirrel-wb.jpg

LOL

It's also clear that it isn't just the top of the tory party where the the most amusing self-parodies of posh twerps can be found.

Alanbrooke

Charles said:

Alanbrooke said:

Charles said:

Alanbrooke said:

Charles said:

AndyJS said:

FPT:

Which of these is more important:

(a) Camden Market and Boris's dad's house

(b) A direct rail link potentially connecting the following cities to the continental rail network: Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Glasgow, Edinburgh.

Answer:

Everyone in London and SE: (a)
Everyone else: (b)

Andy, for crying out loud. It's about a 10 minute walk, with luggage. I've done it plenty of times. A few people being slightly inconvenienced vs. £700m and 10 years of disruption to local residents.

Nolo contendere as antifrank would say.

able bodied banker with good knowledge of London in doesn't mind a walk shock.

I know my way around Copenhagen airport rather better.

This weekend I realised how sad my life was - was stuck at O'Hare and end up discussing the layout of Copenhagen airport with a random stranger in the queue...

It's still not worth £700m. If you're that worried about it get a cab.

Personally Charles I doubt I'll ever use it, I generally try to avoid London . But if you're elderly, disabled or a visitor coming in from abroad, maybe London should try to make itself user friendly.

It is pretty user friendly. But even so, it's not the justification for that kind of spend on a marginal benefit.

London's meant to be the national showcase. You'll only start worrying when visiting investors complain about the hassle and then you'll spend twice the amount to put it right. It's the same with all big engineering projects. We penny pinch, then when we realise we've cocked it up, it costs us a fortune to rectify the penny pinching.

AndyJS

foxinsoxuk said:

Better still catch East Midlans Trains to St Pancras in the first place. Excellent services from Leicester, Nottingham, Derby and Sheffield. You do not even have to surface in the great Wen.

How does that help people either side of the East Midlands?

CarlottaVance

AndyJS said:

Edinburgh to Paris would have been a particularly spectacular train journey which now won't be possible thanks to Cameron and his Etonian chums.

Why not? It would be easy to divert a Kings Cross train into St Pancras.....but the same reason that sank Regional Eurostar - lack of demand - would sink this....

In any case Sir David Higgins was educated in Sydney, not Slough....

Stark_Dawning

I see Dave has seen sense with cancelling that Camden lark. Just because London and the south east is the nation's economic powerhouse and saviour, it doesn't mean that every resident has to be confined to Bedlam. Now he just needs to turn Heathrow into a wild-flower meadow and everything will be going spiffingly!

Mick_Pork

Theuniondivvie said:

Mick_Pork said:

Something for the old biddies and scottish tory surgers to shriek about.

Scottish Independence: Charles Kennedy calls for No to be positive

Former Liberal Democrat leader Charles Kennedy has called for No campaigners to be "more positive" ahead of the referendum on Scottish Independence.

The Highland MP said a negative approach from Better Together would not resonate with voters.

He also warned supporters of the Union that interventions by UK government ministers could be counterproductive.

Mr Kennedy called for a "more coherent blueprint" on further devolution to be agreed before September's vote.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-26602996

I might be a smidgeon concerned at that if I didn't think the Tory/Slab Dambusters will completely ignore Charlie. No doubt the LDs will caper and squeak about the 'positivity' of one of their own, but let's be honest, who's paying the slightest attention to what they think?

You can't surely be implying that Calamity Clegg and his 'Elvis Bus Pass' spinners are in some way a complete irrelevance? If you're not careful you'll have wee Willie Rennie and his taxi full of MSPs after you. Or the even more amusing leadership joke, sorry, leadership hopeful 'Bruiser' Carmichael.