Who the fuck flagged this perfectly measured and sensible post about Elon on the prior thread?
“It is properly incredible
The idea that the UK government excluded this genius from its “enterprise” conference because they don’t like his politics is the Purest Cringe
Musk is a titanic genius - and will be seen as such for all his flaws. And who excluded him? Rachel fucking Reeves the lesbian Worzel Gummidge? Keir Starmer a pig-faced idiot of a man who sacrifices all morality for free Taylor Swift tickets?
Its mortifying. Britain is governed by repulsive moral dwarves”
The long term consequence of David Cameron's project will be the replacement of the existing two major parties with the two wings of the Tory party fighting each other: One Nation/Lib Dems vs ERG/Reform. Labour will get crushed in the middle.
Who the fuck flagged this perfectly measured and sensible post about Elon on the prior thread?
“It is properly incredible
The idea that the UK government excluded this genius from its “enterprise” conference because they don’t like his politics is the Purest Cringe
Musk is a titanic genius - and will be seen as such for all his flaws. And who excluded him? Rachel fucking Reeves the lesbian Worzel Gummidge? Keir Starmer a pig-faced idiot of a man who sacrifices all morality for free Taylor Swift tickets?
Its mortifying. Britain is governed by repulsive moral dwarves”
What I want to know is, when Rachel Reeves the “lesbian Worzel Gummidge” walks into a meeting of finance ministers, do they all start laughing immediately at her hair, her face, and her total lack of ideas? Or do they wait for about three minutes until they just can’t help it and they start laughing at her?
Who the fuck flagged this perfectly measured and sensible post about Elon on the prior thread?
“It is properly incredible
The idea that the UK government excluded this genius from its “enterprise” conference because they don’t like his politics is the Purest Cringe
Musk is a titanic genius - and will be seen as such for all his flaws. And who excluded him? Rachel fucking Reeves the lesbian Worzel Gummidge? Keir Starmer a pig-faced idiot of a man who sacrifices all morality for free Taylor Swift tickets?
Its mortifying. Britain is governed by repulsive moral dwarves”
What first attracted you to the repeater of antisemitic memes?
If Corbyn has reposted half the shit Musk had you would have had a different view.
Who the fuck flagged this perfectly measured and sensible post about Elon on the prior thread?
“It is properly incredible
The idea that the UK government excluded this genius from its “enterprise” conference because they don’t like his politics is the Purest Cringe
Musk is a titanic genius - and will be seen as such for all his flaws. And who excluded him? Rachel fucking Reeves the lesbian Worzel Gummidge? Keir Starmer a pig-faced idiot of a man who sacrifices all morality for free Taylor Swift tickets?
Its mortifying. Britain is governed by repulsive moral dwarves”
What I want to know is, when Rachel Reeves the “lesbian Worzel Gummidge” walks into a meeting of finance ministers, do they all start laughing immediately at her hair, her face, and her total lack of ideas? Or do they wait for about three minutes until they just can’t help it and they start laughing at her?
It has to be one of those two
She’s not a lesbian.
So that’s twice tonight you’ve been wrong about somebody.
What I want to know is, when Rachel Reeves the “lesbian Worzel Gummidge” walks into a meeting of finance ministers, do they all start laughing immediately at her hair, her face, and her total lack of ideas? Or do they wait for about three minutes until they just can’t help it and they start laughing at her?
It has to be one of those two
I think all of that is a bit cruel about her appearance. I do think her voice is a bit irritating, mainly as I suspect that the estuarine English is almost certainly phoney. But then most aspects of Labour politicians, particularly Toolmakerson is pretty phoney. Slight problem is that the Tory Party continues to implode up its own backside
What I want to know is, when Rachel Reeves the “lesbian Worzel Gummidge” walks into a meeting of finance ministers, do they all start laughing immediately at her hair, her face, and her total lack of ideas? Or do they wait for about three minutes until they just can’t help it and they start laughing at her?
Who the fuck flagged this perfectly measured and sensible post about Elon on the prior thread?
“It is properly incredible
The idea that the UK government excluded this genius from its “enterprise” conference because they don’t like his politics is the Purest Cringe
Musk is a titanic genius - and will be seen as such for all his flaws. And who excluded him? Rachel fucking Reeves the lesbian Worzel Gummidge? Keir Starmer a pig-faced idiot of a man who sacrifices all morality for free Taylor Swift tickets?
Its mortifying. Britain is governed by repulsive moral dwarves”
Well done, whoever it was.
This is same stupid attitude that says "good riddance" after high income people leave the country. It's completely backwards and self defeating. Having to agree with someone's politics in order to do business with them is a very short path to poverty.
Who the fuck flagged this perfectly measured and sensible post about Elon on the prior thread?
“It is properly incredible
The idea that the UK government excluded this genius from its “enterprise” conference because they don’t like his politics is the Purest Cringe
Musk is a titanic genius - and will be seen as such for all his flaws. And who excluded him? Rachel fucking Reeves the lesbian Worzel Gummidge? Keir Starmer a pig-faced idiot of a man who sacrifices all morality for free Taylor Swift tickets?
Its mortifying. Britain is governed by repulsive moral dwarves”
What first attracted you to the repeater of antisemitic memes?
If Corbyn has reposted half the shit Musk had you would have had a different view.
He just launched the world’s largest ever rocket into space and then caught it with giant steel chopsticks and he did this in the same week that he unveiled amazing autonomous robots like something out of sci fi from ten years ago
IN THE SAME WEEK
But it’s ok David “Chagos” Lammy who thinks Henry VII came after Henry VIII has excluded Elon musk from the UK’s utterly embarrassing “enterprise conference” because Lammy doesn’t like Elon because David Lammy has an IQ of 3
Who the fuck flagged this perfectly measured and sensible post about Elon on the prior thread?
“It is properly incredible
The idea that the UK government excluded this genius from its “enterprise” conference because they don’t like his politics is the Purest Cringe
Musk is a titanic genius - and will be seen as such for all his flaws. And who excluded him? Rachel fucking Reeves the lesbian Worzel Gummidge? Keir Starmer a pig-faced idiot of a man who sacrifices all morality for free Taylor Swift tickets?
Its mortifying. Britain is governed by repulsive moral dwarves”
Well done, whoever it was.
This is same stupid attitude that says "good riddance" after high income people leave the country. It's completely backwards and self defeating. Having to agree with someone's politics in order to do business with them is a very short path to poverty.
"There is no money left"
Wrong, it's being hoarded by "high income people".
Who the fuck flagged this perfectly measured and sensible post about Elon on the prior thread?
“It is properly incredible
The idea that the UK government excluded this genius from its “enterprise” conference because they don’t like his politics is the Purest Cringe
Musk is a titanic genius - and will be seen as such for all his flaws. And who excluded him? Rachel fucking Reeves the lesbian Worzel Gummidge? Keir Starmer a pig-faced idiot of a man who sacrifices all morality for free Taylor Swift tickets?
Its mortifying. Britain is governed by repulsive moral dwarves”
Well done, whoever it was.
This is same stupid attitude that says "good riddance" after high income people leave the country. It's completely backwards and self defeating. Having to agree with someone's politics in order to do business with them is a very short path to poverty.
Completely agree, and I own a Tesla, but it doesn't stop me thinking he is a complete c***
I think Curtice is overstating it. MoreinCommon today has Labour and the Tories tied on 27% (Reform were 3rd on 21%) in a poll half of which was taken after the final 2 Tory leadership candidates were selected by Tory MPs. That would produce a hung parliament even if Labour won most seats. So while Jenrick or Badenoch may not win the next general election they can certainly make gains https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1845359983107486155
Who the fuck flagged this perfectly measured and sensible post about Elon on the prior thread?
“It is properly incredible
The idea that the UK government excluded this genius from its “enterprise” conference because they don’t like his politics is the Purest Cringe
Musk is a titanic genius - and will be seen as such for all his flaws. And who excluded him? Rachel fucking Reeves the lesbian Worzel Gummidge? Keir Starmer a pig-faced idiot of a man who sacrifices all morality for free Taylor Swift tickets?
Its mortifying. Britain is governed by repulsive moral dwarves”
Well done, whoever it was.
This is same stupid attitude that says "good riddance" after high income people leave the country. It's completely backwards and self defeating. Having to agree with someone's politics in order to do business with them is a very short path to poverty.
Completely agree, and I own a Tesla, but it doesn't stop me thinking he is a complete c***
Yeah and it's fine to think that and actually it's also fine if you as a customer decide to not buy Tesla cars on that basis because you're a customer. It isn't right for the government to deprive the nation of potentially billions in new investment in high tech industries because a minister thinks that. In the same way that you are Tesla's customer, Tesla is in some ways the government's customer and in the immortal words of Michael Jordan "republicans buy sneakers too"
Who the fuck flagged this perfectly measured and sensible post about Elon on the prior thread?
“It is properly incredible
The idea that the UK government excluded this genius from its “enterprise” conference because they don’t like his politics is the Purest Cringe
Musk is a titanic genius - and will be seen as such for all his flaws. And who excluded him? Rachel fucking Reeves the lesbian Worzel Gummidge? Keir Starmer a pig-faced idiot of a man who sacrifices all morality for free Taylor Swift tickets?
Its mortifying. Britain is governed by repulsive moral dwarves”
Well done, whoever it was.
This is same stupid attitude that says "good riddance" after high income people leave the country. It's completely backwards and self defeating. Having to agree with someone's politics in order to do business with them is a very short path to poverty.
I was commenting on Leon's post, not Musk's invite / non-invite.
Although, since Musk thinks the UK is on the verge of civil war, he probably wouldn't come anyway.
Who the fuck flagged this perfectly measured and sensible post about Elon on the prior thread?
“It is properly incredible
The idea that the UK government excluded this genius from its “enterprise” conference because they don’t like his politics is the Purest Cringe
Musk is a titanic genius - and will be seen as such for all his flaws. And who excluded him? Rachel fucking Reeves the lesbian Worzel Gummidge? Keir Starmer a pig-faced idiot of a man who sacrifices all morality for free Taylor Swift tickets?
Its mortifying. Britain is governed by repulsive moral dwarves”
Well done, whoever it was.
This is same stupid attitude that says "good riddance" after high income people leave the country. It's completely backwards and self defeating. Having to agree with someone's politics in order to do business with them is a very short path to poverty.
"There is no money left"
Wrong, it's being hoarded by "high income people".
They largely pay for the much adored "public services" so that people (probably including yourself) can retire and then consume far more in public services than you ever paid for in your whole lifetime of paying tax. Yes folks, that is the reality
Who the fuck flagged this perfectly measured and sensible post about Elon on the prior thread?
“It is properly incredible
The idea that the UK government excluded this genius from its “enterprise” conference because they don’t like his politics is the Purest Cringe
Musk is a titanic genius - and will be seen as such for all his flaws. And who excluded him? Rachel fucking Reeves the lesbian Worzel Gummidge? Keir Starmer a pig-faced idiot of a man who sacrifices all morality for free Taylor Swift tickets?
Its mortifying. Britain is governed by repulsive moral dwarves”
Well done, whoever it was.
This is same stupid attitude that says "good riddance" after high income people leave the country. It's completely backwards and self defeating. Having to agree with someone's politics in order to do business with them is a very short path to poverty.
Completely agree, and I own a Tesla, but it doesn't stop me thinking he is a complete c***
Yeah and it's fine to think that and actually it's also fine if you as a customer decide to not buy Tesla cars on that basis because you're a customer. It isn't right for the government to deprive the nation of potentially billions in new investment in high tech industries because a minister thinks that. In the same way that you are Tesla's customer, Tesla is in some ways the government's customer and in the immortal words of Michael Jordan "republicans buy sneakers too"
I’m not sure Musk has billions now. He’s blown a lot of his wealth on Twitter.
The long term consequence of David Cameron's project will be the replacement of the existing two major parties with the two wings of the Tory party fighting each other: One Nation/Lib Dems vs ERG/Reform. Labour will get crushed in the middle.
I doubt it, the LDs post their 2010-2015 coalition with Cameron's Tories will not get most centre left voters who will still vote Labour with Green as a protest vote and Jenrick or Badenoch will probably stem any Tory leakage to Reform
Who the fuck flagged this perfectly measured and sensible post about Elon on the prior thread?
“It is properly incredible
The idea that the UK government excluded this genius from its “enterprise” conference because they don’t like his politics is the Purest Cringe
Musk is a titanic genius - and will be seen as such for all his flaws. And who excluded him? Rachel fucking Reeves the lesbian Worzel Gummidge? Keir Starmer a pig-faced idiot of a man who sacrifices all morality for free Taylor Swift tickets?
Its mortifying. Britain is governed by repulsive moral dwarves”
Well done, whoever it was.
This is same stupid attitude that says "good riddance" after high income people leave the country. It's completely backwards and self defeating. Having to agree with someone's politics in order to do business with them is a very short path to poverty.
I was commenting on Leon's post, not Musk's invite / non-invite.
Although, since Musk thinks the UK is on the verger of cicivl war, he probably wouldn't come anyway.
Maybe the government could have used the opportunity to show him otherwise? Isn't that what grown ups do?
That's a bold statement by Sir John - as recent history has shown, assumptions a few months after an election rarely survive the test of time.
Who, in the autumn of 1987, would have believed Margaret Thatcher, winner of three successive elections, would be out in barely three years?
I suppose the nearest recent comparisons are Hague from the Conservative side and Ed Milliband from the Labour side - the last relics of the previous administration, small(ish) parts of it but to be honest does the "experience" of sitting round the Cabinet table help when trying to campaign for a new direction?
One of my political laws (probably the tenth) goes something like it's hard to be the future when you were such a big part of the past. That association with the failed Conservative years is going to be an anchor to the Party's evolution in the next few years.
What I want to know is, when Rachel Reeves the “lesbian Worzel Gummidge” walks into a meeting of finance ministers, do they all start laughing immediately at her hair, her face, and her total lack of ideas? Or do they wait for about three minutes until they just can’t help it and they start laughing at her?
It has to be one of those two
She’s not a lesbian.
So that’s twice tonight you’ve been wrong about somebody.
Considering he's now reposted that accusation three times, the PB lawyers might be getting a little agitated. Fortunately for Leon he is hidden behind an anonymous moniker. Imagine the shit he'd be in if Mr and Mrs Reeves discovered his true identity.
Who the fuck flagged this perfectly measured and sensible post about Elon on the prior thread?
“It is properly incredible
The idea that the UK government excluded this genius from its “enterprise” conference because they don’t like his politics is the Purest Cringe
Musk is a titanic genius - and will be seen as such for all his flaws. And who excluded him? Rachel fucking Reeves the lesbian Worzel Gummidge? Keir Starmer a pig-faced idiot of a man who sacrifices all morality for free Taylor Swift tickets?
Its mortifying. Britain is governed by repulsive moral dwarves”
Well done, whoever it was.
This is same stupid attitude that says "good riddance" after high income people leave the country. It's completely backwards and self defeating. Having to agree with someone's politics in order to do business with them is a very short path to poverty.
Completely agree, and I own a Tesla, but it doesn't stop me thinking he is a complete c***
Yeah and it's fine to think that and actually it's also fine if you as a customer decide to not buy Tesla cars on that basis because you're a customer. It isn't right for the government to deprive the nation of potentially billions in new investment in high tech industries because a minister thinks that. In the same way that you are Tesla's customer, Tesla is in some ways the government's customer and in the immortal words of Michael Jordan "republicans buy sneakers too"
I’m not sure Musk has billions now. He’s blown a lot of his wealth on Twitter.
Lol, Elon Musk has net worth in the hundreds of billions. The money lost on twitter is chicken feed and he only has ~30% of the exposure on it.
What I want to know is, when Rachel Reeves the “lesbian Worzel Gummidge” walks into a meeting of finance ministers, do they all start laughing immediately at her hair, her face, and her total lack of ideas? Or do they wait for about three minutes until they just can’t help it and they start laughing at her?
It has to be one of those two
She’s not a lesbian.
So that’s twice tonight you’ve been wrong about somebody.
Considering he's now reposted that accusation three times, the PB lawyers might be getting a little agitated. Fortunately for Leon he is hidden behind an anonymous moniker. Imagine the shit he'd be in if Mr and Mrs Reeves discovered his true identity.
Regardless of the Independent's headline, who is going to win?
Badenoch is the clear favourite but personally I suspect there's still a racist tinge to the Toriy membership that will favour Jenrick.
Based on the Tory member WhatsApp groups I am a part of, Badenoch to win roughly the same amount Truss defeated Sunak.
Well I voted for Sunak in 2022 and will be voting for Jenrick this time. I did vote for Boris in 2019 though, before that for Davis in 2005 and Ken Clarke in 2001.
So my record is not that great, only 1 winner so far in 4 membership votes
Who the fuck flagged this perfectly measured and sensible post about Elon on the prior thread?
“It is properly incredible
The idea that the UK government excluded this genius from its “enterprise” conference because they don’t like his politics is the Purest Cringe
Musk is a titanic genius - and will be seen as such for all his flaws. And who excluded him? Rachel fucking Reeves the lesbian Worzel Gummidge? Keir Starmer a pig-faced idiot of a man who sacrifices all morality for free Taylor Swift tickets?
Its mortifying. Britain is governed by repulsive moral dwarves”
Well done, whoever it was.
This is same stupid attitude that says "good riddance" after high income people leave the country. It's completely backwards and self defeating. Having to agree with someone's politics in order to do business with them is a very short path to poverty.
Completely agree, and I own a Tesla, but it doesn't stop me thinking he is a complete c***
Yeah and it's fine to think that and actually it's also fine if you as a customer decide to not buy Tesla cars on that basis because you're a customer. It isn't right for the government to deprive the nation of potentially billions in new investment in high tech industries because a minister thinks that. In the same way that you are Tesla's customer, Tesla is in some ways the government's customer and in the immortal words of Michael Jordan "republicans buy sneakers too"
I’m not sure Musk has billions now. He’s blown a lot of his wealth on Twitter.
Lol, Elon Musk has net worth in the hundreds of billions. The money lost on twitter is chicken feed and he only has ~30% of the exposure on it.
Who the fuck flagged this perfectly measured and sensible post about Elon on the prior thread?
“It is properly incredible
The idea that the UK government excluded this genius from its “enterprise” conference because they don’t like his politics is the Purest Cringe
Musk is a titanic genius - and will be seen as such for all his flaws. And who excluded him? Rachel fucking Reeves the lesbian Worzel Gummidge? Keir Starmer a pig-faced idiot of a man who sacrifices all morality for free Taylor Swift tickets?
Its mortifying. Britain is governed by repulsive moral dwarves”
Well done, whoever it was.
This is same stupid attitude that says "good riddance" after high income people leave the country. It's completely backwards and self defeating. Having to agree with someone's politics in order to do business with them is a very short path to poverty.
Completely agree, and I own a Tesla, but it doesn't stop me thinking he is a complete c***
Yeah and it's fine to think that and actually it's also fine if you as a customer decide to not buy Tesla cars on that basis because you're a customer. It isn't right for the government to deprive the nation of potentially billions in new investment in high tech industries because a minister thinks that. In the same way that you are Tesla's customer, Tesla is in some ways the government's customer and in the immortal words of Michael Jordan "republicans buy sneakers too"
I’m not sure Musk has billions now. He’s blown a lot of his wealth on Twitter.
He spent $40bm. He’s worth $400bn. He’s just shown off astonishing robots that might change the world and he’s managed to capture history’s hugest missile with two titanic steel hands, in the same week
Blowing minds around the world in one of humanity’s greatest feats of engineering
What I want to know is, when Rachel Reeves the “lesbian Worzel Gummidge” walks into a meeting of finance ministers, do they all start laughing immediately at her hair, her face, and her total lack of ideas? Or do they wait for about three minutes until they just can’t help it and they start laughing at her?
It has to be one of those two
I think all of that is a bit cruel about her appearance. I do think her voice is a bit irritating, mainly as I suspect that the estuarine English is almost certainly phoney. But then most aspects of Labour politicians, particularly Toolmakerson is pretty phoney. Slight problem is that the Tory Party continues to implode up its own backside
Rachel Reeves was born and raised in South London. What is odd is she seems to have picked up a slight northern accent from somewhere.
Who the fuck flagged this perfectly measured and sensible post about Elon on the prior thread?
“It is properly incredible
The idea that the UK government excluded this genius from its “enterprise” conference because they don’t like his politics is the Purest Cringe
Musk is a titanic genius - and will be seen as such for all his flaws. And who excluded him? Rachel fucking Reeves the lesbian Worzel Gummidge? Keir Starmer a pig-faced idiot of a man who sacrifices all morality for free Taylor Swift tickets?
Its mortifying. Britain is governed by repulsive moral dwarves”
Well done, whoever it was.
This is same stupid attitude that says "good riddance" after high income people leave the country. It's completely backwards and self defeating. Having to agree with someone's politics in order to do business with them is a very short path to poverty.
Completely agree, and I own a Tesla, but it doesn't stop me thinking he is a complete c***
Yeah and it's fine to think that and actually it's also fine if you as a customer decide to not buy Tesla cars on that basis because you're a customer. It isn't right for the government to deprive the nation of potentially billions in new investment in high tech industries because a minister thinks that. In the same way that you are Tesla's customer, Tesla is in some ways the government's customer and in the immortal words of Michael Jordan "republicans buy sneakers too"
I’m not sure Musk has billions now. He’s blown a lot of his wealth on Twitter.
He spent $40bm. He’s worth $400bn. He’s just shown off astonishing robots that might change the world and he’s managed to capture history’s hugest missile with two titanic steel hands, in the same week
Blowing minds around the world in one of humanity’s greatest feats of engineering
I’ve got a weird feeling he’ll be ok, financially
You also thought Truss might turn out alright and voted for Keir Starmer.
I think Curtice is overstating it. MoreinCommon today has Labour and the Tories tied on 27% (Reform were 3rd on 21%) in a poll half of which was taken after the final 2 Tory leadership candidates were selected by Tory MPs. That would produce a hung parliament even if Labour won most seats. So while Jenrick or Badenoch may not win the next general election they can certainly make gains https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1845359983107486155
If they can’t even make gains on the last election result, they’d be looking at the Tories slipping into third place on seats, or worse. They absolutely have to make gains.
Who the fuck flagged this perfectly measured and sensible post about Elon on the prior thread?
“It is properly incredible
The idea that the UK government excluded this genius from its “enterprise” conference because they don’t like his politics is the Purest Cringe
Musk is a titanic genius - and will be seen as such for all his flaws. And who excluded him? Rachel fucking Reeves the lesbian Worzel Gummidge? Keir Starmer a pig-faced idiot of a man who sacrifices all morality for free Taylor Swift tickets?
Its mortifying. Britain is governed by repulsive moral dwarves”
Well done, whoever it was.
This is same stupid attitude that says "good riddance" after high income people leave the country. It's completely backwards and self defeating. Having to agree with someone's politics in order to do business with them is a very short path to poverty.
Completely agree, and I own a Tesla, but it doesn't stop me thinking he is a complete c***
Yeah and it's fine to think that and actually it's also fine if you as a customer decide to not buy Tesla cars on that basis because you're a customer. It isn't right for the government to deprive the nation of potentially billions in new investment in high tech industries because a minister thinks that. In the same way that you are Tesla's customer, Tesla is in some ways the government's customer and in the immortal words of Michael Jordan "republicans buy sneakers too"
I’m not sure Musk has billions now. He’s blown a lot of his wealth on Twitter.
He spent $40bm. He’s worth $400bn. He’s just shown off astonishing robots that might change the world and he’s managed to capture history’s hugest missile with two titanic steel hands, in the same week
Blowing minds around the world in one of humanity’s greatest feats of engineering
I’ve got a weird feeling he’ll be ok, financially
You also thought Truss might turn out alright and voted for Keir Starmer.
What I want to know is, when Rachel Reeves the “lesbian Worzel Gummidge” walks into a meeting of finance ministers, do they all start laughing immediately at her hair, her face, and her total lack of ideas? Or do they wait for about three minutes until they just can’t help it and they start laughing at her?
It has to be one of those two
I think all of that is a bit cruel about her appearance. I do think her voice is a bit irritating, mainly as I suspect that the estuarine English is almost certainly phoney. But then most aspects of Labour politicians, particularly Toolmakerson is pretty phoney. Slight problem is that the Tory Party continues to implode up its own backside
Rachel Reeves was born and raised in South London. What is odd is she seems to have picked up a slight northern accent from somewhere.
Yes, it is very strange. For me, as someone who has an amateur interest in accents it definitely sounds effected and put on. It definitely doesnt sound authentic
The long term consequence of David Cameron's project will be the replacement of the existing two major parties with the two wings of the Tory party fighting each other: One Nation/Lib Dems vs ERG/Reform. Labour will get crushed in the middle.
I doubt it, the LDs post their 2010-2015 coalition with Cameron's Tories will not get most centre left voters who will still vote Labour with Green as a protest vote and Jenrick or Badenoch will probably stem any Tory leakage to Reform
Considering in July your party polled its worst vote share and won its fewest number of seats since the Great Reform Act, any progress would be welcome and the possibility of any further reversals almost inconceivable..
I don't know what's going to happen and with respect, neither do you.
The More in Common poll you cite has Reform just six points behind the Conservatives and Labour and applying UNS in such a fragmented political situation isn't of much value.
Who the fuck flagged this perfectly measured and sensible post about Elon on the prior thread?
“It is properly incredible
The idea that the UK government excluded this genius from its “enterprise” conference because they don’t like his politics is the Purest Cringe
Musk is a titanic genius - and will be seen as such for all his flaws. And who excluded him? Rachel fucking Reeves the lesbian Worzel Gummidge? Keir Starmer a pig-faced idiot of a man who sacrifices all morality for free Taylor Swift tickets?
Its mortifying. Britain is governed by repulsive moral dwarves”
Well done, whoever it was.
This is same stupid attitude that says "good riddance" after high income people leave the country. It's completely backwards and self defeating. Having to agree with someone's politics in order to do business with them is a very short path to poverty.
Completely agree, and I own a Tesla, but it doesn't stop me thinking he is a complete c***
Yeah and it's fine to think that and actually it's also fine if you as a customer decide to not buy Tesla cars on that basis because you're a customer. It isn't right for the government to deprive the nation of potentially billions in new investment in high tech industries because a minister thinks that. In the same way that you are Tesla's customer, Tesla is in some ways the government's customer and in the immortal words of Michael Jordan "republicans buy sneakers too"
I’m not sure Musk has billions now. He’s blown a lot of his wealth on Twitter.
Lol, Elon Musk has net worth in the hundreds of billions. The money lost on twitter is chicken feed and he only has ~30% of the exposure on it.
He *says* he has.
Just as his mate Trump does…
No, it's a matter of record due to his stakes in Tesla and SpaceX. His wealth is very transparent.
Who the fuck flagged this perfectly measured and sensible post about Elon on the prior thread?
“It is properly incredible
The idea that the UK government excluded this genius from its “enterprise” conference because they don’t like his politics is the Purest Cringe
Musk is a titanic genius - and will be seen as such for all his flaws. And who excluded him? Rachel fucking Reeves the lesbian Worzel Gummidge? Keir Starmer a pig-faced idiot of a man who sacrifices all morality for free Taylor Swift tickets?
Its mortifying. Britain is governed by repulsive moral dwarves”
Well done, whoever it was.
This is same stupid attitude that says "good riddance" after high income people leave the country. It's completely backwards and self defeating. Having to agree with someone's politics in order to do business with them is a very short path to poverty.
Completely agree, and I own a Tesla, but it doesn't stop me thinking he is a complete c***
Yeah and it's fine to think that and actually it's also fine if you as a customer decide to not buy Tesla cars on that basis because you're a customer. It isn't right for the government to deprive the nation of potentially billions in new investment in high tech industries because a minister thinks that. In the same way that you are Tesla's customer, Tesla is in some ways the government's customer and in the immortal words of Michael Jordan "republicans buy sneakers too"
I’m not sure Musk has billions now. He’s blown a lot of his wealth on Twitter.
He spent $40bm. He’s worth $400bn. He’s just shown off astonishing robots that might change the world and he’s managed to capture history’s hugest missile with two titanic steel hands, in the same week
Blowing minds around the world in one of humanity’s greatest feats of engineering
I’ve got a weird feeling he’ll be ok, financially
You also thought Truss might turn out alright and voted for Keir Starmer.
What I want to know is, when Rachel Reeves the “lesbian Worzel Gummidge” walks into a meeting of finance ministers, do they all start laughing immediately at her hair, her face, and her total lack of ideas? Or do they wait for about three minutes until they just can’t help it and they start laughing at her?
It has to be one of those two
I think all of that is a bit cruel about her appearance. I do think her voice is a bit irritating, mainly as I suspect that the estuarine English is almost certainly phoney. But then most aspects of Labour politicians, particularly Toolmakerson is pretty phoney. Slight problem is that the Tory Party continues to implode up its own backside
Rachel Reeves was born and raised in South London. What is odd is she seems to have picked up a slight northern accent from somewhere.
Yes, it is very strange. For me, as someone who has an amateur interest in accents it definitely sounds effected and put on. It definitely doesnt sound authentic
What I want to know is, when Rachel Reeves the “lesbian Worzel Gummidge” walks into a meeting of finance ministers, do they all start laughing immediately at her hair, her face, and her total lack of ideas? Or do they wait for about three minutes until they just can’t help it and they start laughing at her?
It has to be one of those two
I think all of that is a bit cruel about her appearance. I do think her voice is a bit irritating, mainly as I suspect that the estuarine English is almost certainly phoney. But then most aspects of Labour politicians, particularly Toolmakerson is pretty phoney. Slight problem is that the Tory Party continues to implode up its own backside
Rachel Reeves was born and raised in South London. What is odd is she seems to have picked up a slight northern accent from somewhere.
Yes, it is very strange. For me, as someone who has an amateur interest in accents it definitely sounds effected and put on. It definitely doesnt sound authentic
Who the fuck flagged this perfectly measured and sensible post about Elon on the prior thread?
“It is properly incredible
The idea that the UK government excluded this genius from its “enterprise” conference because they don’t like his politics is the Purest Cringe
Musk is a titanic genius - and will be seen as such for all his flaws. And who excluded him? Rachel fucking Reeves the lesbian Worzel Gummidge? Keir Starmer a pig-faced idiot of a man who sacrifices all morality for free Taylor Swift tickets?
Its mortifying. Britain is governed by repulsive moral dwarves”
Well done, whoever it was.
This is same stupid attitude that says "good riddance" after high income people leave the country. It's completely backwards and self defeating. Having to agree with someone's politics in order to do business with them is a very short path to poverty.
"There is no money left"
Wrong, it's being hoarded by "high income people".
They largely pay for the much adored "public services" so that people (probably including yourself) can retire and then consume far more in public services than you ever paid for in your whole lifetime of paying tax. Yes folks, that is the reality
High earners pay the majority of income tax. “The 10% of income taxpayers with the largest incomes contribute over 60% of income tax receipts.” ( https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8513/ ) But income tax is the most progressive tax and there are lots of other taxes. Thus, Nigel’s claim is inaccurate when we consider all the taxes that pay for public services: “in 2017/18, the 50% of households with the largest incomes contributed around 78% of taxes.” (ibid.)
Who the fuck flagged this perfectly measured and sensible post about Elon on the prior thread?
“It is properly incredible
The idea that the UK government excluded this genius from its “enterprise” conference because they don’t like his politics is the Purest Cringe
Musk is a titanic genius - and will be seen as such for all his flaws. And who excluded him? Rachel fucking Reeves the lesbian Worzel Gummidge? Keir Starmer a pig-faced idiot of a man who sacrifices all morality for free Taylor Swift tickets?
Its mortifying. Britain is governed by repulsive moral dwarves”
Well done, whoever it was.
This is same stupid attitude that says "good riddance" after high income people leave the country. It's completely backwards and self defeating. Having to agree with someone's politics in order to do business with them is a very short path to poverty.
Completely agree, and I own a Tesla, but it doesn't stop me thinking he is a complete c***
Yeah and it's fine to think that and actually it's also fine if you as a customer decide to not buy Tesla cars on that basis because you're a customer. It isn't right for the government to deprive the nation of potentially billions in new investment in high tech industries because a minister thinks that. In the same way that you are Tesla's customer, Tesla is in some ways the government's customer and in the immortal words of Michael Jordan "republicans buy sneakers too"
I’m not sure Musk has billions now. He’s blown a lot of his wealth on Twitter.
He spent $40bm. He’s worth $400bn. He’s just shown off astonishing robots that might change the world and he’s managed to capture history’s hugest missile with two titanic steel hands, in the same week
Blowing minds around the world in one of humanity’s greatest feats of engineering
I’ve got a weird feeling he’ll be ok, financially
You also thought Truss might turn out alright and voted for Keir Starmer.
What I want to know is, when Rachel Reeves the “lesbian Worzel Gummidge” walks into a meeting of finance ministers, do they all start laughing immediately at her hair, her face, and her total lack of ideas? Or do they wait for about three minutes until they just can’t help it and they start laughing at her?
It has to be one of those two
I think all of that is a bit cruel about her appearance. I do think her voice is a bit irritating, mainly as I suspect that the estuarine English is almost certainly phoney. But then most aspects of Labour politicians, particularly Toolmakerson is pretty phoney. Slight problem is that the Tory Party continues to implode up its own backside
Rachel Reeves was born and raised in South London. What is odd is she seems to have picked up a slight northern accent from somewhere.
Yes, it is very strange. For me, as someone who has an amateur interest in accents it definitely sounds effected and put on. It definitely doesnt sound authentic
My accent has confused people for years, it has been described from 'If Hugh Grant was from Yorkshire to if Brian Blessed went to Eton.'
Regardless of the Independent's headline, who is going to win?
Badenoch is the clear favourite but personally I suspect there's still a racist tinge to the Toriy membership that will favour Jenrick.
Based on the Tory member WhatsApp groups I am a part of, Badenoch to win roughly the same amount Truss defeated Sunak.
I'll be happy with that outcome. They're both rubbish but I would like to be proven wrong in my assessment of the Tory membership.
Right, so they effectively don't have a choice - if they don't vote for Badenoch, it's automatically a racist (and/or sexist?) decision.
That'll be my take; other views are freely available.
Right, so she's been top of the polling with members for years, but if they choose another candidate now, it will confirm them all as iredeemable racists. And sexists of course, despite their last decision having been to choose a female leader. Do you not sometimes have a moment of self reflection and thinking what an idiot you're being?
Regardless of the Independent's headline, who is going to win?
Badenoch is the clear favourite but personally I suspect there's still a racist tinge to the Toriy membership that will favour Jenrick.
Based on the Tory member WhatsApp groups I am a part of, Badenoch to win roughly the same amount Truss defeated Sunak.
Well I voted for Sunak in 2022 and will be voting for Jenrick this time. I did vote for Boris in 2019 though, before that for Davis in 2005 and Ken Clarke in 2001.
So my record is not that great, only 1 winner so far in 4 membership votes
Who the fuck flagged this perfectly measured and sensible post about Elon on the prior thread?
“It is properly incredible
The idea that the UK government excluded this genius from its “enterprise” conference because they don’t like his politics is the Purest Cringe
Musk is a titanic genius - and will be seen as such for all his flaws. And who excluded him? Rachel fucking Reeves the lesbian Worzel Gummidge? Keir Starmer a pig-faced idiot of a man who sacrifices all morality for free Taylor Swift tickets?
Its mortifying. Britain is governed by repulsive moral dwarves”
Well done, whoever it was.
This is same stupid attitude that says "good riddance" after high income people leave the country. It's completely backwards and self defeating. Having to agree with someone's politics in order to do business with them is a very short path to poverty.
Completely agree, and I own a Tesla, but it doesn't stop me thinking he is a complete c***
Yeah and it's fine to think that and actually it's also fine if you as a customer decide to not buy Tesla cars on that basis because you're a customer. It isn't right for the government to deprive the nation of potentially billions in new investment in high tech industries because a minister thinks that. In the same way that you are Tesla's customer, Tesla is in some ways the government's customer and in the immortal words of Michael Jordan "republicans buy sneakers too"
I’m not sure Musk has billions now. He’s blown a lot of his wealth on Twitter.
He spent $40bm. He’s worth $400bn. He’s just shown off astonishing robots that might change the world and he’s managed to capture history’s hugest missile with two titanic steel hands, in the same week
Blowing minds around the world in one of humanity’s greatest feats of engineering
I’ve got a weird feeling he’ll be ok, financially
You also thought Truss might turn out alright and voted for Keir Starmer.
Confirms my decision to vote for Jenrick, attacking help for those with autism, opposing maternity pay and saying 10% of civil servants should be jailed with no evidence makes Badenoch not up to leadership in my view
Regardless of the Independent's headline, who is going to win?
Badenoch is the clear favourite but personally I suspect there's still a racist tinge to the Toriy membership that will favour Jenrick.
Based on the Tory member WhatsApp groups I am a part of, Badenoch to win roughly the same amount Truss defeated Sunak.
I'll be happy with that outcome. They're both rubbish but I would like to be proven wrong in my assessment of the Tory membership.
Right, so they effectively don't have a choice - if they don't vote for Badenoch, it's automatically a racist (and/or sexist?) decision.
That'll be my take; other views are freely available.
Right, so she's been top of the polling with members for years, but if they choose another candidate now, it will confirm them all as iredeemable racists. And sexists of course, despite their last decision having been to choose a female leader. Do you not sometimes have a moment of self reflection and thinking what an idiot you're being?
If she's been top of the membership polling for years and yet still loses what other explanation could there be?
Anyway, why argue with me now? Once she wins I'll be happy to say, 'hurrah, I was wrong about the Tory membership being institutionally racist'. Genuinely happy.
Confirms my decision to vote for Jenrick, attacking help for those with autism and saying 10% of civil servants should be jailed with no evidence makes Badenoch not up to leadership in my view
I think Curtice is overstating it. MoreinCommon today has Labour and the Tories tied on 27% (Reform were 3rd on 21%) in a poll half of which was taken after the final 2 Tory leadership candidates were selected by Tory MPs. That would produce a hung parliament even if Labour won most seats. So while Jenrick or Badenoch may not win the next general election they can certainly make gains https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1845359983107486155
If they can’t even make gains on the last election result, they’d be looking at the Tories slipping into third place on seats, or worse. They absolutely have to make gains.
Though those gains will be coming from Labour not Reform or the LDs
What I want to know is, when Rachel Reeves the “lesbian Worzel Gummidge” walks into a meeting of finance ministers, do they all start laughing immediately at her hair, her face, and her total lack of ideas? Or do they wait for about three minutes until they just can’t help it and they start laughing at her?
It has to be one of those two
I think all of that is a bit cruel about her appearance. I do think her voice is a bit irritating, mainly as I suspect that the estuarine English is almost certainly phoney. But then most aspects of Labour politicians, particularly Toolmakerson is pretty phoney. Slight problem is that the Tory Party continues to implode up its own backside
Rachel Reeves was born and raised in South London. What is odd is she seems to have picked up a slight northern accent from somewhere.
Yes, it is very strange. For me, as someone who has an amateur interest in accents it definitely sounds effected and put on. It definitely doesnt sound authentic
My accent has confused people for years, it has been described from 'If Hugh Grant was from Yorkshire to if Brian Blessed went to Eton.'
Regardless of the Independent's headline, who is going to win?
Badenoch is the clear favourite but personally I suspect there's still a racist tinge to the Toriy membership that will favour Jenrick.
Based on the Tory member WhatsApp groups I am a part of, Badenoch to win roughly the same amount Truss defeated Sunak.
I'll be happy with that outcome. They're both rubbish but I would like to be proven wrong in my assessment of the Tory membership.
Right, so they effectively don't have a choice - if they don't vote for Badenoch, it's automatically a racist (and/or sexist?) decision.
That'll be my take; other views are freely available.
Right, so she's been top of the polling with members for years, but if they choose another candidate now, it will confirm them all as iredeemable racists. And sexists of course, despite their last decision having been to choose a female leader. Do you not sometimes have a moment of self reflection and thinking what an idiot you're being?
If she's been top of the membership polling* for years and yet still loses what other explanation could there be?
Anyway, why argue with me now? Once she wins I'll be happy to say, 'hurrah, I was wrong about the Tory membership being institutionally racist'. Genuinely happy.
Because in a binary choice, with many factors, it is foolish to pick on a single difference between the candidates and highlight that in an attempt to prove that the voters are wicked. Labour have never had a leader who is female, and never had a leader who isn't white. Are the voters in Labour leadership elections racist and sexist?
Confirms my decision to vote for Jenrick, attacking help for those with autism and saying 10% of civil servants should be jailed with no evidence makes Badenoch not up to leadership in my view
I bet you come round once she wins though.
I will support the leader of the party but doesn't mean i have to vote for her to get the role
Laura Kuenssberg, "You alongside Ken Clarke during the Brexit referendum campaign.. At the time you wrote a letter saying that leaving the EU would lead us into a dystopia.. Do you still agree with the letter?"
On topic I disagree with the estimable Prof Curtice
Things are so volatile we just don’t know. And nor does he
Agree. Things are a bit of a muddle, and won't change a lot until a particular leadership character comes along. This change maker will be able to explain where we are, where they (and we) want to go, keep communicating the core message, narrate how we are going to get there, marginalise the extremes, and ruthlessly move in the new direction taking a plurality of people along.
The past is some help in this. Avoid a poll tax, (or messing with WFA but that's obvious), avoid invading Iraq etc, avoid hubris, be utterly incorruptible, act like leadership is service and not a route to freebies, act like ordinary people are as important to you personally as Taylor Swift. Be a brilliant communicator.
This vacancy should have been filled at least partially by Labour/Starmer. It looks like it may not be. Budget and its follow up may be the last chance?
There's a tiny chance that one of Kemi and Jenrick has the stuff needed. But the evidence is thin.
Laura Kuenssberg, "You alongside Ken Clarke during the Brexit referendum campaign.. At the time you wrote a letter saying that leaving the EU would lead us into a dystopia.. Do you still agree with the letter?"
Robert Jenrick, "I don't remember that letter"
If he wins the leadership he might re remember it when campaigning in seats the LDs won at the general election I suspect
Laura Kuenssberg, "You alongside Ken Clarke during the Brexit referendum campaign.. At the time you wrote a letter saying that leaving the EU would lead us into a dystopia.. Do you still agree with the letter?"
Robert Jenrick, "I don't remember that letter"
If he wins the leadership he might re remember it when campaigning in seats the LDs won at the general election I suspect
Laura Kuenssberg, "You alongside Ken Clarke during the Brexit referendum campaign.. At the time you wrote a letter saying that leaving the EU would lead us into a dystopia.. Do you still agree with the letter?"
Robert Jenrick, "I don't remember that letter"
If he wins the leadership he might re remember it when campaigning in seats the LDs won at the general election I suspect
I've said before, the most patriotic thing the Conservatives can do is become utterly unelectable for a while, because it gives the government both the chance and responsibility to administer necessary but unpleasant medicine. They may not do it, let alone well, but it creates a window of opportunity.
Regardless of the Independent's headline, who is going to win?
Badenoch is the clear favourite but personally I suspect there's still a racist tinge to the Toriy membership that will favour Jenrick.
Based on the Tory member WhatsApp groups I am a part of, Badenoch to win roughly the same amount Truss defeated Sunak.
I'll be happy with that outcome. They're both rubbish but I would like to be proven wrong in my assessment of the Tory membership.
Right, so they effectively don't have a choice - if they don't vote for Badenoch, it's automatically a racist (and/or sexist?) decision.
That'll be my take; other views are freely available.
Right, so she's been top of the polling with members for years, but if they choose another candidate now, it will confirm them all as iredeemable racists. And sexists of course, despite their last decision having been to choose a female leader. Do you not sometimes have a moment of self reflection and thinking what an idiot you're being?
If she's been top of the membership polling* for years and yet still loses what other explanation could there be?
Anyway, why argue with me now? Once she wins I'll be happy to say, 'hurrah, I was wrong about the Tory membership being institutionally racist'. Genuinely happy.
Because in a binary choice, with many factors, it is foolish to pick on a single difference between the candidates and highlight that in an attempt to prove that the voters are wicked. Labour have never had a leader who is female, and never had a leader who isn't white. Are the voters in Labour leadership elections racist and sexist?
You've got this all the wrong way around.
I suspect Badenoch will lose, despite being the favourite, because I suspect large sections of the Tory membership are deeply racist (not including, as far as I can tell, any PB tory members).
That is what I suspect; I have no firm evidence, acquaintance with a few rural Tory members leads me to this suspicion. I could very well be wrong - I hope I am.
But, on a betting site, I post it as a point for consideration for those thinking of betting on the contest.
Confirms my decision to vote for Jenrick, attacking help for those with autism and saying 10% of civil servants should be jailed with no evidence makes Badenoch not up to leadership in my view
I bet you come round once she wins though.
I will support the leader of the party but doesn't mean i have to vote for her to get the role
Regardless of the Independent's headline, who is going to win?
Badenoch is the clear favourite but personally I suspect there's still a racist tinge to the Toriy membership that will favour Jenrick.
Based on the Tory member WhatsApp groups I am a part of, Badenoch to win roughly the same amount Truss defeated Sunak.
I'll be happy with that outcome. They're both rubbish but I would like to be proven wrong in my assessment of the Tory membership.
I think it’s the worst choice that has ever faced the Tory party membership. If I had to choose, I guess I’d go with Badenoch too.
A dodgy ***** is only going to become worse given a sniff of power, whereas someone immature might one day grow up and someone ineffectual might one day learn something.
Confirms my decision to vote for Jenrick, attacking help for those with autism, opposing maternity pay and saying 10% of civil servants should be jailed with no evidence makes Badenoch not up to leadership in my view
Yet you welcomed in the lying clown with open arms
Laura Kuenssberg, "You alongside Ken Clarke during the Brexit referendum campaign.. At the time you wrote a letter saying that leaving the EU would lead us into a dystopia.. Do you still agree with the letter?"
Robert Jenrick, "I don't remember that letter"
Just for old times sake, and with an eye on bringing in the new year, is there any chance you could link to the tweet rather than leave us with an unsourced @ which goes to vanilla?
Confirms my decision to vote for Jenrick, attacking help for those with autism, opposing maternity pay and saying 10% of civil servants should be jailed with no evidence makes Badenoch not up to leadership in my view
Yet you welcomed in the lying clown with open arms
Boris was likeable and generally didn't attack large categories of the population
Regardless of the Independent's headline, who is going to win?
Badenoch is the clear favourite but personally I suspect there's still a racist tinge to the Toriy membership that will favour Jenrick.
Based on the Tory member WhatsApp groups I am a part of, Badenoch to win roughly the same amount Truss defeated Sunak.
I'll be happy with that outcome. They're both rubbish but I would like to be proven wrong in my assessment of the Tory membership.
Right, so they effectively don't have a choice - if they don't vote for Badenoch, it's automatically a racist (and/or sexist?) decision.
That'll be my take; other views are freely available.
Right, so she's been top of the polling with members for years, but if they choose another candidate now, it will confirm them all as iredeemable racists. And sexists of course, despite their last decision having been to choose a female leader. Do you not sometimes have a moment of self reflection and thinking what an idiot you're being?
If she's been top of the membership polling* for years and yet still loses what other explanation could there be?
Anyway, why argue with me now? Once she wins I'll be happy to say, 'hurrah, I was wrong about the Tory membership being institutionally racist'. Genuinely happy.
Because in a binary choice, with many factors, it is foolish to pick on a single difference between the candidates and highlight that in an attempt to prove that the voters are wicked. Labour have never had a leader who is female, and never had a leader who isn't white. Are the voters in Labour leadership elections racist and sexist?
You've got this all the wrong way around.
I suspect Badenoch will lose, despite being the favourite, because I suspect large sections of the Tory membership are deeply racist (not including, as far as I can tell, any PB tory members).
That is what I suspect; I have no firm evidence, acquaintance with a few rural Tory members leads me to this suspicion. I could very well be wrong - I hope I am.
But, on a betting site, I post it as a point for consideration for those thinking of betting on the contest.
Kemi Badenoch had every opportunity in office to prove that she wasn't just a Sunak yes-person, and that she could act effectively in the very important role she had been given. She didn't.
Post-defeat, she has had every opportunity to give the Tory Party a good idea of what direction she wants to take the party in policy-wise. She didn't, though she still does now. There's every opportunity for her even now to come up with a Kemifesto, and I hope she does.
As things stand, she hasn't done any of it, so it will be entirely understandable, given another candidate who both resigned from the Sunak Government on policy, AND has a clear policy slate now, that the Tory members don't vote for her. And it will be bugger all to do with them being racist.
Confirms my decision to vote for Jenrick, attacking help for those with autism, opposing maternity pay and saying 10% of civil servants should be jailed with no evidence makes Badenoch not up to leadership in my view
Yet you welcomed in the lying clown with open arms
Boris was likeable and generally didn't attack large categories of the population
He was hateful and attacked at a minimum 48% of voters...
Regardless of the Independent's headline, who is going to win?
Badenoch is the clear favourite but personally I suspect there's still a racist tinge to the Toriy membership that will favour Jenrick.
Based on the Tory member WhatsApp groups I am a part of, Badenoch to win roughly the same amount Truss defeated Sunak.
I'll be happy with that outcome. They're both rubbish but I would like to be proven wrong in my assessment of the Tory membership.
I think it’s the worst choice that has ever faced the Tory party membership. If I had to choose, I guess I’d go with Badenoch too.
A dodgy ***** is only going to become worse given a sniff of power, whereas someone immature might one day grow up and someone ineffectual might one day learn something.
Yes, I think Kemi is the Tories best choice. She probably will flop, but she may just make progress.
Certainly she is willing to talk of welfare spending cuts in order to free up money. Not welfare to the grey vote obviously, but it is a step in vaguely the right direction.
Badenoch's manifesto is here: The country's going to the dogs and it's all the fault of HR managers, lawyers, gays, people with no children, people who go to university, people who want to look after their mental health, regulation of any kind, risk management in banks.
I agree with Sir John Curtice – politicalbetting.com
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“It is properly incredible
The idea that the UK government excluded this genius from its “enterprise” conference because they don’t like his politics is the Purest Cringe
Musk is a titanic genius - and will be seen as such for all his flaws. And who excluded him? Rachel fucking Reeves the lesbian Worzel Gummidge? Keir Starmer a pig-faced idiot of a man who sacrifices all morality for free Taylor Swift tickets?
Its mortifying. Britain is governed by repulsive moral dwarves”
Things are so volatile we just don’t know. And nor does he
Badenoch is the clear favourite but personally I suspect there's still a racist tinge to the Toriy membership that will favour Jenrick.
It has to be one of those two
Just rejoice at that news.
If Corbyn has reposted half the shit Musk had you would have had a different view.
Love Elon
Ben Stokes in line for England return as Pakistan ready to use same pitch for second Test
Hosts ready to gamble on same surface and the third Test could also be played in Multan because of political protests in Rawalpindi
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2024/10/13/pakistan-same-pitch-for-second-test-ben-stokes-return/
So that’s twice tonight you’ve been wrong about somebody.
And then make fuzzy-felt pictures of her.
IN THE SAME WEEK
But it’s ok David “Chagos” Lammy who thinks Henry VII came after Henry VIII has excluded Elon musk from the UK’s utterly embarrassing “enterprise conference” because Lammy doesn’t like Elon because David Lammy has an IQ of 3
Wrong, it's being hoarded by "high income people".
https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1845359983107486155
Although, since Musk thinks the UK is on the verge of civil war, he probably wouldn't come anyway.
That's a bold statement by Sir John - as recent history has shown, assumptions a few months after an election rarely survive the test of time.
Who, in the autumn of 1987, would have believed Margaret Thatcher, winner of three successive elections, would be out in barely three years?
I suppose the nearest recent comparisons are Hague from the Conservative side and Ed Milliband from the Labour side - the last relics of the previous administration, small(ish) parts of it but to be honest does the "experience" of sitting round the Cabinet table help when trying to campaign for a new direction?
One of my political laws (probably the tenth) goes something like it's hard to be the future when you were such a big part of the past. That association with the failed Conservative years is going to be an anchor to the Party's evolution in the next few years.
That's how this works, isn't it? Asking for a MP friend.
Completely shorn, in fact.
So my record is not that great, only 1 winner so far in 4 membership votes
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/10/13/greg-brackenridge-west-midlands-royal-marines-councillor/
Just as his mate Trump does…
He spent $40bm. He’s worth $400bn. He’s just shown off astonishing robots that might change the world and he’s managed to capture history’s hugest missile with two titanic steel hands, in the same week
Blowing minds around the world in one of humanity’s greatest feats of engineering
I’ve got a weird feeling he’ll be ok, financially
I don't know what's going to happen and with respect, neither do you.
The More in Common poll you cite has Reform just six points behind the Conservatives and Labour and applying UNS in such a fragmented political situation isn't of much value.
The document said people with autism get “economic advantages and protections” but a spokesman denied any prejudice
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/badenoch-pamphlet-stigmitises-autistic-tory-3322013
If Eric gets it we'll have a party split in three months. If it's Duncan, it'll take three weeks.
And Jim Hacker isn't available, because he appears to be in Downing Street already.
Actually I might vote Jenrick, in the four Tory leadership contests I have voted in I have only backed the winner once (Dave pbuh).
Normally my vote is like getting an endorsement from Leon, it dooms the candidate.
Anyway, why argue with me now? Once she wins I'll be happy to say, 'hurrah, I was wrong about the Tory membership being institutionally racist'. Genuinely happy.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/clyvxxzzjqxt
Just left then with the membership's fuckwittery. But at least all choices are available.
Laura Kuenssberg, "You alongside Ken Clarke during the Brexit referendum campaign.. At the time you wrote a letter saying that leaving the EU would lead us into a dystopia.. Do you still agree with the letter?"
Robert Jenrick, "I don't remember that letter"
The past is some help in this. Avoid a poll tax, (or messing with WFA but that's obvious), avoid invading Iraq etc, avoid hubris, be utterly incorruptible, act like leadership is service and not a route to freebies, act like ordinary people are as important to you personally as Taylor Swift. Be a brilliant communicator.
This vacancy should have been filled at least partially by Labour/Starmer. It looks like it may not be. Budget and its follow up may be the last chance?
There's a tiny chance that one of Kemi and Jenrick has the stuff needed. But the evidence is thin.
So thanks, Kemi.
Themi.
I suspect Badenoch will lose, despite being the favourite, because I suspect large sections of the Tory membership are deeply racist (not including, as far as I can tell, any PB tory members).
That is what I suspect; I have no firm evidence, acquaintance with a few rural Tory members leads me to this suspicion. I could very well be wrong - I hope I am.
But, on a betting site, I post it as a point for consideration for those thinking of betting on the contest.
Post-defeat, she has had every opportunity to give the Tory Party a good idea of what direction she wants to take the party in policy-wise. She didn't, though she still does now. There's every opportunity for her even now to come up with a Kemifesto, and I hope she does.
As things stand, she hasn't done any of it, so it will be entirely understandable, given another candidate who both resigned from the Sunak Government on policy, AND has a clear policy slate now, that the Tory members don't vote for her. And it will be bugger all to do with them being racist.
Certainly she is willing to talk of welfare spending cuts in order to free up money. Not welfare to the grey vote obviously, but it is a step in vaguely the right direction.
Battlegrounds Harris 50% Trump 49%
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-harris-poll-how-information-beliefs-shape-tight-2024-campaign/
https://cdn.prod.website-files.com/66e290977b0f17041797e6ae/66fb3a4aa6d5bf17f7481ed1_Conservatism in Crisis.pdf
Nevertheless Badenoch is better than Jenrick. Conservatives get that choice.